HOEDOWN IN NAPTOWN!!!
O.K. Pholks, Indianapolis ROLLCALL!!

I 'Grateful'ly welcome all ya'll comin' for the shows...

Here's the DL:
INSIDE
Great Venue, only a coupla years old, the shows I've seen there have all sounded good and the floor is tiny compared to places like Oakland and MSG...Its got a Boston Garden feel to it...16oz. beers are gonna run you $5...Its a non~smoking Venue with smokers porches outside off the mezzanine...we had no troubles sparkin' up on the porch during halftime @ the CSN&Y show...if its cold and crowded you can get away with it...Parking will be Garage~style with an overflow lot next door..
OUTSIDE
Cops in Indy are PRICKS
We had 8 cops come from outta nowhere to bust 3 of us hippies smokin' in the ally not to long ago...The great equalizer will be our numbers, they remember what happened in '95 and this will be the first Dead~related Downtown show in 21 years...so be on yer guard...the DEAs hang out is only a coupla blocks away so take care of yerself and each other...
With that said LETS ROLL!!!

1. StKnick and my partners in crime Brad & Ty
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5.

2.Porscha zenzen

3,4,5... Phil Greg and Vic

I am starting to brim with excitement here. Literally brimming... overflowing, spewing, etc...

We will be making the trek from St. Louis. Can't wait. See you guys there.

Phil

Hey guys. I'll be rolling in from Detroit. Hey Phil do you live in St Louis? Thats where I'm at. Can't wait its coming soon...

Fer all you not up on the "Place to stay in Indy thread" on the Other Stuff board...a bunch of us are plannin' to hook up at The Slippery Noodle Inn before the show...its at the other end of the block from Conseco...Stumblin' distance!!...2ish...

There ya go!!

Yea I am in St. Louis. I just talked Dino from Dark Star last night down at Magees. He just got back from NJ, Boston, and Washington. Said they are tearing shit up.

So where is this slippery noodle. is this a hotel too? We are looking for a place to stay as well.

God I am dragging today a bit. I think I let my excitement over next weeks show get the best of me. I wound up going out last night to see Jakes Leg and might have over indulged. I am paying the price today. Today will be a "Movie Day" in Coach Wright's English class.

T Minus 10 days.

I was gonna hit up Jake's Leg last night but think I'm going tonight to Cicero's.

Hey Phil...
Check out the 'Where to stay in Indy' thread on the 'Other Stuff' board...

I have tickets listed on ebay for this baby at BELOW Face value..........search under seller "cincinnatired"

Good seats at a fair price.

My friends have 2 floor seats to this show
up for sale: Face or Best Offer. They will
be in Chicago from Nov. 27-30th to possibly
hook up with a local Chicago buyer? They are
great seats, right next to the soundboard I
believe. Email me at leolubin@hotmail.com
or shanashadow@aol.com for more details.

Have a great show to all who are going.
C'ya at the Kaiser! (the only shows I can go to!)

Dan

Will try to stop in the Slippery Noodle to hook up with Zoners, but as for me, I think we'z going to Cladaugh's, which is an Irish pub -- which is on Meridian - within stumblin distance from both Conseco & The Noodle. Cladaugh's serves a good pint and has fine pub-grub... but you cant go wrong with the Noodle either... oldest bar in Indiana, so they say. Noodle would be for post-show too, cause I think they stay open late(ish).

don't count on a bar very late after the show
bars close at 12 on sundays

ouch!

I am new to posting stuff but I am a huge PhilZone phan. I am from Indy and have a 2 story hotel suite rented out at the Omni which is stumbbling distance from the Feildhouse and every thing else. I dont know the room number until I check in. I am going to catch the colts game first then probably make my way to the Noodl. Be looking for me. I will probably be wearing my Philzone.com Teeshirt but maybe not. If not I am the tall blonde guy. If you want to know were to hang out I can help I used to bartend downtown. There is a bar called the PUB not Claddaghs. This is directly across the street from the feildhouse and is a very small but awsome bar. Or you could always find me a come to the party at the hotel room. I could also help you on some tees. If you have never been to the fieldhouse you are in for treat. this place rocks and I hope they will want to come back. Hint PLQ Spring. Probably not though it is to big but I can dream alittle. Two things are for sure. One is the Pacers rock and Two is there is going to be a hell of party in Indy on Sunday night. Peace

Look forward to seeing everyone
Pete

God I am nearly to the point of complete Jubilation and teetering on the verge of over-anticipation. God We haven't even left St. Louis yet. What the hell? I am a kid on Christmas Eve. Thank god my wife is an understanding person. She has had nothing but a constant earfull of "The Other Ones this... and The other ones that... and I bet they open with this... and God I would nearly pass out if they break that out." for nearly two weeks. Does anyone else get like this. I am at Victors place now. We are going out here in St. Louis to get our "experience" started. I don't see how this could happen, but I hope, no wait... I pray that I haven't set myself up for disapointment. Surely not. God Love ya and God love the Grateful Dead. He he he .. Giggle... giggle!

Phil

Rock on Peeps...and have a great time. The shows, are at the very least, fun as hell.

Setlist ?? Anyone still on this bus ?

Set 1: Cold Rain and Snow> Till the Morning Comes (PL & RB)> Tennessee Jed> Broken Arrow> Loose Lucy> Cumberland Blues> Jack Straw (end)

Set 2: Shakedown> Cassidy> Casey Jones> Drumz> Space> Banyan Tree> Samson & Delilah> Let It Grow> Cosmic Charlie E: Doin' That Rag thanks notatindy, Keith M. & Brian

Wake up Indy! Give us a review. Everyone must of headed to Chicago for tonights show. Or they dont have internet access, just rub two potatoes against aluminum foil & 9 volt battery this will give you the internet.

Hows the No-Susan thing going?

Chicago tonight!

Well, I dont have much time to write a big review, but over-all it was a pretty good one. Security was a bit tight coming in, which resulted in the place not being 3/4 full when the show started. And at least one beer stand would only sell one beer per person - what up with that?

Anyway, the sound was not as bad as some have said, but certainly not great. From where I was (left side of the floor, 25 rows back) I got tons of keyboards and lots and lots of Phil... which I guess is a great thing... although the keys drowned out everything at times, IMO.

Highlights - Till The Morning Comes, played like they been doing it for years and years, tight tight tight. Cumberland had everyone shakin their boo-tay with some mighty fine Jimmy action. And the Jack Straw closer seemed really perfect. Second set began with your typical BLLLLLLOOOOOOOONNNNNNGGGGGGGG of Shakedown and was probably (for me) the highlight of the night. Got a "shake it down, shake it down, shake it down down" from, what, KC and The Sunshine Band? Not one time, but again after a second jam. The second time bringing it to a dead stop. Kinda cheesey, but kinda cool too.
Let It Grow went LOTS of places - very very very HOT. Dont know how long the jam was, but it seemed to wander to some delightful places.

Lowlights: Broken Arrow as the fourth song. Done well and all, but was a bit of a energy drain in that slot. Casey Jones was good, but didnt reach near the breakneck throwdown that PLQ does or like the one at Alpine. Banyan Tree would have been totally fine, except for some odd reason Bobby's vocal sound was real crunchy, couldnt hear shit - or at least I couldnt. And I would have prefered to go out on a rocker after the lopping pace of Cosmic Charlie - Doin That Rag is fine, but the place needed to "rock out" - seemed the energy just wasnt there at the end of the show... plus, the fucker ended with 6 minutes to spare.

Overall, not as good as I would have hoped, but still a good time by a great band, I just think we caught them on a so-so night.

So much for keepin it short.

Your milage may vary.

As for the no Susan thing, I think perhaps they were hitting such a stride with her there, that her NOT being there caused them to have a bit of a let down... but again, that's just me - others may have thought it to be the hottest thing since, er, whatever.

Thanks Jeff D for the review.
Im going to see the Other Ones in chicago in 9 hours & have enjoyed reading all the reviews up untill now. I must go now & face the music.

Its snowing here in Chicago. brrrr.

talk to you all tomorrow.

good show last night...fuckin cold outside.
old school start to the show with cold rain and till the morning comes set the place in motion. Was relatively empty as they started promptly. 1st set was decent ...jam in TN Jed wasnt all too smooth...loose lucy was a crowd pleaser which fell into a rockin jack straw. Phil clearly seemed to be leading the way as far as connecting the "middle ground" between songs.

Setbreak was groovy. my first show this tour so i was excited to see hunter. i was up close and it didnt sound bad at all. Didn't see the hunter setlist up but this is what i remember
Deal >
Loser
Mtns of the moon
So Many Roads>
????
Ripple
Boys in the Barroom ??

He kinda got mixed up durin so many roads and just flowed into a different song. He apologized afterward for getting lost and then he said he just may get lost again. This got just the reaction he'd hoped for cuz he smiled and told us all what a nice club we had here.

Hunter also told us he was visting his mother's house after the show in Ft. Wayne. This got the crowd cheering so he said he'd send her our regards. I think so many roads and ripple were kinda extra special cuz of this.

Back to the ballgame

Shakedown was a monster with the KC and the sunshine band shake it down shake it down vocals coming in right befor the first solo. after the main jam the beatles' come together made a short appearence before slammin right back into shakedown street which ended with the shake it down vocal thing.
After cassidy phil did a lotta talkin into his mic. casey jones came outta cassidy and drove striaght into drums/space (space was almost non-existant)
after banyan tree the band hit what i thought was their cumulative musical peak with samson and delilah. it just rocked so hard so fast so tight but not messy at all.. you could hear every instrument independant of the others ...they were complementing each other feeding off each other and lovin one another. rob and jeff connected on this one. they sounded like one. jimmy was lookin over at them firing round after round and jeff and rob kept returning jimmy's licks right were they came from. Whew!! into Let it Grow which was jammed out and plyed much better then i expected. the end sections of let it grow sounded so great. after this phil did more talkin into the mic and i cuolda sworn i heard the china cat comin out they dropped into cosmic charlie. cool. I thought of hunter when the song was ending.

Rosemont Horizon hear we come

Good show, but not a great one, imo. Setlist was a bit on the vanilla side. Nice Till the Morning in first set. Broken Arrow was also nice, a lot more harmonizing than in the past. Jed usually doesn't get me worked up, especially on paper, but this one was a smoker. Bobby did an exceptional job with the lyrics. Didn't really care for Bob's rendition of Loose Lucy, although Jimmy really pulled out some nice nugs in the middle. Cumberland was fun, again, really good jammin', then things slowed down to a hault. I kept thinkin' they were going to bust out an Attics or Mt. of the Moon, but Jack Straw slowly errected. Jimmy was again really on fire for the ending jam...We can share the women, we can share the wine!

2nd set...Shakedown, nuff said, although I thought the ending rap was kind of silly. Still not sure if I liked it or not. Cassidy, whew, great version with Bob's guitar finally turned up a bit as he basically led the jam. KC Jones was fun, always is, but something with a little bit more depth would have been cool. Drums was prolly my favorite spot in the show. Although not real long at 10 mins, it is good to see the two zen masters going at it. Then, Banyan Tree, ugh, Just don't care for this song. No real depth, no cool jams, basically just the tribal drum beat with Bob howlin' into the mic. Samson saved things though. Let It Grow was not played as good as this song is. Jam kind of lost it a few times. Cosmic Charlie was a nice mellow send off...Your mama's callin' youuu!

Phil came out and did a spirited donor rap, waved his arms around and Rob sent us home with Doin' That Rag. Decent, but was hopin' for something with a little more jam for the encore. I like the song, just not as the encore.

Sound...I tried to really critique the sound, as I've read some not so good things about it. I though overall, it was really good. Only thing I could pick out is Bob could have been turned up a bit, both vocally and his guitar. Sounded plenty loud, and I think this is about as good as the sounds going to get with the equipment they're lugging around. Stage had a pretty cool light show with the backdrop of the 90's Dead stage.

Venue...Didn't care for it. Unless you were on the floor or first level, which I was, it seemed like you were miles from the stage, especially in the third level. I droped in up there durring Hunter's set and even the first row was just ridiculosly high. Can't see how it would be any better if I were there to see a Pacers game either. Then again, I haven't seen a show in a basketball arena in a long time, so maybe I just forgot how it was.

Crowd...Mellow, sometimes too mellow. Guys in front of us sat the entire show, which was really odd to me, but hey, if that's what they're into, so be it.

Glad I got to see this lineup, and have fun in Chi-Town...Go BEARS!!!

Theres my .02

too cold to party outside. . .needed to find myself a ticket and scored a first level, 2nd row (right of the stage, just off the floor) for a few bucks less than my friends. . .up to the nosebleeds to meet my friends with the shitty, expensive tickets. . .cold rain and snow, got settled, a flic of the bic and the party is on.

Good open, 'Til the AM was a treat and played very well. . .the band was together. Section 223 was way, way up there, but the sound was fine and could see everyone on stage.

Next, Tennessee Jed. . .the band smokes and really was tight all night and it makes for great music. . .

Got a stop and then Broken Arrow>Loose Lucy>Cumberland was a great trio and I agree very much with Davestraw's summation above. Herring rocks and peppered all of the songs with hot, southern-fried guitar licks. (Oh yeah, his talent for making the music sound like it is melting away is cool, too.)

Virtually another stop, which I thought would be the end of the first set, and they build Jack Straw. Awesome! A favorite of mine for all times and did not disappoint . . .great jamming, chills abound. . .great energy from the band and the crowd. . .too much fun.

Down to the front row (well, almost) for Hunter and the second set. Great guy from Minnesota helps the girls down with me and we are set. Hunter was great, lost (good lost, just wandering, cool) during So Many Roads, first experience with Hunter at Alpine did him wrong. . .shitty sound, too big. . .to appreciate him. Ripple was cool.

ASIDE: This is the point in the review that anyone of my friends would tell you that as the first rumblings of Shakedown came from the stage I was trying to figure out what I did with the second set doobie (it was in my sock--placed there--for safekeeping of course--as my new friend from Minne was being a kind neighbor). Of course, I wouldn't tell that story to anyone. Don't say it Homer, don't say it. DOH!

Shakedown started the rythemic bouncing of the extendo-seating we found ourselves on-a flic of the bic and shake it down, shake it down now! Tons of energy coming from the crowd to the band and back again. . .great jamming into and out of a rock-solid Cassidy. . .Barraco is great a such a strong addition to the band. . .love how he helps to drive that Casey Jones train barrelling down the tracks. They ride that thing just to the point of destruction. . .Herring laughing and the band clearly feeling the energy from the crowd. . .and into drums. . .sounded great and had the place thumping.

band back on to Banyon Tree which to me has a really open structure for plenty of good jams and took us into Samson. . .by the end of Samson had the place going like a revival. . .into Let it Grow. Again, the jam potential is so huge that I am happy to hear it. Sweet jams throughout. . .verses so solid. . .to a seemingly chunky beginning of Cosmic Charlie, but settled in nicely.

Phil out for the rap, comments on the good energy he finds in Indiana, and into Doin' that rag encore. Happy for Rob to take us home.

Looking at setlists, I wish I had made the Detroit show (songs I didn't hear this spring/summer), but it is all good with this band! But that is exactly the problem with looking at setlists, because the energy of the evening is what makes it for the band and the band was definately feeling it. There was a ton of laughing and smiling throughout the second set and Jimmy and Rob trading shots was something else.

This band is extremely tight and obviously very talented which makes for some excellent, excellent music. . .and they draw their material from songs the Grateful Dead sang that a few members of this band had a hand in creating. . .hmmmm, sounds good to me.

It all depends on what you are looking for out of a show, but this band will bring it--jams and all--ready for you to receive it. No matter what songs they decide to play on any given night.

Looking for a hot finish tonight in Chicago. . .melt some of this damn snow.

I will write more later, but....

Good show, TERRIBLE Security. Wow.. those guys were complete jerks. For the first time in my life, I let the security bother me to the point that it affected my view of the show. The funny thing is that we weren't doing anything. None of us smoke. It was just the way they treated everyone else.

Amen to that. Fuckin dicks. And Im not one of the people that thinks all cops/security are dicks... I usually have some respect for them, but not at Conseco. I was on the floor and showed my ticket to get back down there after getting my one beer (one beer per person), anyway, this Skeletor (see 1980's He-Man & The Masters Of The Universe for reference) dickwad grabs my stub from my hand and looks at it - so when he hands it back I "grab" it back.

Well, Ass-Monkey grabs me and tells me that if I do anything like that again, he'll "throw my ass outta here". Then he says that I have to respect him before he'll respect me. What an ass.

It certainly gave me a funk for a bit - but the setlist did the same thing, so Im just writing it off as being something wrong in the CoSmOs.

Ok... So as i stated earlier, I let myself get to the point of complete jubilation before even ariving at Conseco. This was brought to a screeching halt when I arrived and felt the bitter cold. I also found it a little disheartening that I couldn't sell three tickets for face value in the lot. Greg, Vic, and I started our wait at the front door (sexually segregated lines told me to expect a thorough pat down, but I had no idea how bad). These guys gave me a THOROUGH patting down and made me remove my hat and proceeded to run their fingers through my hair. This lasted a couple of mins at least. Meanwhile, countless other people are stuck in line behind me braving the howling cold wind. Finally we were inside. We go to the beer line, it's true, one beer per person. REDICULOUS. Se this translated into several trips up and down the stairs throughout the show.

The lights go down, we find our seats on the floor about 15 rows back. The place is half empty as there are still thousands waiting outside to get in. After a long wait, the boys come out.

"Cold Rain and Snow"... Very nicely done. Very fitting for the weather. They are harmonizing very well. They seem very tight. This was my first show of the tour. I was kind of hoping Susan would be there. But it wasn't meant to be. "Till The Morning Comes" was great. This song could become very special. "Tenessee Jed" was hot. Probably the hi-light of the first set. Very reminiscent of the PLQ/Bobby colaboration from Bonaroo. Bobby and Rob tore these lyrics up.
While I usually enjoy "Broken Arrow", I felt this one slowed the energy. Somewhere around this time, I lit a cigarette. I took one drag, suddenly there was a flashlight in my face and this dick with ears comes up and says "You... Come here" so I step out in the aisle. He says "That's an automatic ejection. Let's go."

"What?"

"You wanna quit smoking now, or do you want me to write it up and toss you out of here?"

Thinking quickly and holding my tongue, I say "Ok. I won't smoke any more. You do realize that there are a lot worse things going on than cigarettes in here right? You gonna bust all of them?"

"Keep being mouthy. See where it get's ya."

I walk back to my seat.

I had a hard time coming back down after that. "Loose Lucy" was probably fun, but I was still too pissed to relaxe and have a "real good time". Cumberland was tasty, and by now, I had let it go. Writing it off as a bad experience. As Jack Straw started, I noticed security badgering kids all around us. They were shewing people out of the aisle. They were like a ship cutting through the water. It would just fill back up in their wake.

Gotta run, I will finish later.

have to disagree with the security objections...the pat down was complete, but not offensive. I had numorous items in my pockets that they never asked anything about. Looked like to me they were basically searching for weapons (which is fine with me) and booz, which you have to expect. Yes, smoking was not allowed, but I haven't been to an indoor facility in years that allows it. I saw some people around that security had to tell to put a cigarette out, and at least one "fan" gave the security guy a lot of shit and was completely rude to the guy. Maybe this sort of thing prompted the strictness/attitude of some of the others? As far as smoking other things, just be discrete and had no hassels whatsoever. All I saw was security doing their job and I enjoyed the show. Hopefully this was just a bad experiance with 1 security guy, cause I certainly didn't see anything like that.

wanna chime in on security.
pat down - non existant ...it depends on who you go to i guess.

i was on the floor and smoked a bucha j's and was hassled once. i dropped it put it out and gave him a smile so he wouldnt go apeshit. he just walked away.

the security was doing their job. they were trying there hardest to stop people from smoking. that is what they are told to do and that is one of the things they are paid to do.
They were some who were nice and probably a lot more who were dicks.

here's something funny i saw happen to one of the "nice guys"

there was a scarf on the rail of the floor that had fallin onto the floor. this security gaurd sees it fall and walks over to it.. he picks up the scarf and sees the guy who he thinks dropped it and gives it to the guy. the guy takes the scarf, waves thank you at the security dude and when the security guy turns his head to walk away the guy just chucks the scarf back onto the floor, laughs and then keeps walking. I then see this huge security dude who was kinda off in the shadows watching this whole thing go down too so he walks over to the snickering scarf thrower and gives him a mouthful and a scare. I dont know why but this bothered me. this security guard who picked up the scarf ..im guessing.. was like one in a million who'd give a fuck if someone lost a scarf...he tried to do something nice and that should be commended.
i dunno

Yeah, I have no problems with the pat down - they have you take off your hat cause it's a great place to put joints... or at least it was for me until I saw some poor slob busted in L-Ville '93... I think it was '93, anyway, I had no problem with the patdown (if you ever go to Conseco again, go through the Starbucks that's built onto it - got through in 5 mins).

I also have no problem with "no smoking" hey, it's the rules and they were probably told to not let anyone smoke anything.

The problem comes with the attitude. I saw many security dicks being real shitty to everyone. Be nice to me the first time, if I do the same thing twice (smoke, not clear the aisle, whatever) THEN come down on me.

It's all about the attitude.

I suggest if any of you have any real beefs - write Conseco Fieldhouse. And next time, take down the dudes name or shirt number - complain, it cant hurt and it might actually do some good.

hard to complain about security inforcing the rules. ie. no-smoking (cigs and/or pot), not sitting in your right seat or dancin' in the isles.

The pat down only bothered me because of the weather. It was cold. They were very thorought. I don't min removing my hat, but having the guy run his fingers through my hair really bothered me. I am not sure why. Then he had me open my wallett and my cigarettes. I don't think they were checking for weapons or booz.
Either way, I was over it.

Then, with the cigarette thing, I just didn't appreciate the attitude. I didn't mind not smoking. I didn't mind being told to put it out. What I didn't like was the guys attitude and the rest of what he said. Then he stood near the end of our aisle for the next 15 mins or so and waited to see if I would light up again. Wow.. nothing makes me feel more uncomfortable than knowing I am being watched heavily.

Anyway,

I spent most of Hunters set on the phone with my wife back here in St. Louis. Then I went outside to smoke a cig. Stood in line to get a beer and made it back inside to hear him make the remark about getting lost. I gotta hand it to him. It takes biguns to get up there and play solo and stroll around the stage like that in front of a HUGE crowd. It was a pleasure to see him

Second set starts out with the unmistakable chords of Shakedown. The "Shake it down, shake it down, shake it down now" ending doesn't do a lot for me, but this was a nice way to open the second set. They were obviously attempting to build momentum for a hot second set. Cassidy was wonderful. I recall paying particular attention to Hearring here. I remember thinking how subtle he seemed to be that night without losing power. Casey Jones was a steamroller complete with the tempo increase in the end. It was fast, but not as fast as some other versions I have heard. Rob was really standing out here. I noticed Cheminti singing for the first time all night I think. I am not sure but I think that it was during Casey that Phil started doing some funny surfer dance. It was apparant that he was having a lot of fun. I smiled really big when I saw that. Drmz was short which I thought allowed the intensity to stay locked in. I could be mistaken but it seems like you can feel Mickey and Billy clicking like two old college roommates who get back together and realize they are still as close as they were years ago. Space was really short which I think most people enjoyed. Space unfurled into Banyan Tree. Mickey took center stage here with some sort of "World Xialaphone" Not sure what else to call it here. Either way, it seemed more of a novel insert than a tanscendental moment. Samson and Delilah was really hot and it was obvious that Bobby really enjoyed singing this one. Cosmic Charlie was rich in harmonies with Phil standing out along with Rob on this one. I gotta say that for most of the night it seemed like Jimmy was content to be subdued yet thorough. It worked out well. I still enjoyed his playing a lot. The Encore choice of Doin That Rag was surprising, but I admit that I would have chosen something else.

All in all, a fun show. The word to describe their playing was "Tight". There wern't many "Holy Shit" moments, but there were plenty of "Wow, this is great" moments.

As far as security goes, maybe I just had a couple of poor run ins, maybe I was just too blissful, or maybe, just maybe, there were a larger number of asswipes working security, than decent people. Hope it was just in my cases.

Take care folks.

Coming from a "Hoosier Head", it was stated in the Indy Star newspaper, Conseco had sent their security staff to the Boston shows for a little training. Keep in mind it was printed a few days before the show. This would explain everyones amazement of how well prepared the staff was. Just consider the times we live in, now and make the proper life style adjustments to stay alive and heathly.

I'd rather DIE than adjust my life style for some empty souless assholes !!!!

"empty souless assholes" - a bit harsh if you ask me. Souless cause they didnt let people smoke or cause they were instructed to NOT let people who were carrying drugs/booze (WOW - how bizzare).

Yes, some were assholes - I sure had a run-in with one such buttwipe. And there is no excuse for being unprofessional and rude, but that shit is everywhere - not just with security @ concert venues.

For all we know these poor dicks making minimum wage were warned to be extra harsh or get fired. I dont know, but "empty souless assholes" ?

>>I'd rather DIE than adjust my life style for some empty souless assholes !!!!

not sure what you mean by that, but, damn, if you go into someone else's house, you should respect their rules. doesn't mean you have to agree with them. but rather die? come on, more that a bit harsh.

well...shakeitdownnownow...whatever...what about the come together chant that bobby started? was i the only one to hear this?

Missed the Come together chant.... and... I don't know about "I'd rather die...." seems a bit extreme.

All I was saying was that I heard numerous complaints and experienced a few run ins in regards to security at Conseco. I didn't have a problem with rules or their need to enforce them. Just their overall attitude. That's it.. end of story.

julian i caught that too! thuogt it was cool...almost had a spooky feel to it.

I guess that's a simple statement that I have lived my life by. I wouldn't change anything I do for what someone else thinks is or isn't right. I
consider myself along with most other heads, kind and considerate. If they want to make sure we have to weapons fine, but search the basketball fans the same way. smack them in the head the same way ! have you never been to the same arena you saw a dead show at, then go to see football or something and they treat people completely different. I don't see ushers going up and down the isles asking people for there tickets. I don't hear security outside screeming over megaphones, this will be a FULL body search.
I guess I feel that we should be treated the same as any other concert or sports goers. do you think they do this at britney spears concerts. I guess over the years I would always hope some deadhead with a law degree, would pick up on this and video tape them searching at the door. then simply video tape them searching sports fans. I would have to think their is some kind of law suite there. surely if they singled out blacks this way, REV. Al or someone would be shouting oh so loud .

I am an avid Pacer fan (go Pacers)and see quit a few Pacer games a year. Since 9/11, security does a very complete seach. Mind you, this did not occur pre 9/11. The seach includes taking off your hat, lifting your shirt @ the waist and a pat down. I don't know about anyone else but this makes me feel safe and secure. By the way smoking in the area during a basketball game is ridiculous. No dancing in the isles is for everyones well being. Save that for the smaller venues and bars.