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There was a Dave Matthews set at the end of the night, with Phil and Bobby sitting in for a couple songs. I copied this from the OtherOnes.net messageboard:
Bonnaroo vocal intro >
goin up the country (lovin spoonful)
sample in a jar w / trey anatasio
one sweet world w / trey
tripping billies >
don't drink the water
feel like a stranger >
box of rain w / phil lesh and bob weir
best of whats around
natural mystic (bob marley cover)
Goin' Up The Country was actually a Canned Heat song...
anyone know where I can get the setlists from all the bands for each night? who played with who? what were the HUGE surprises? please either report or tell me where to go to find out the skinny
...Sounds like superfly did a good job organizing the thing. Hey East Troy, hope you were paying attention.
ANY NEWS ON ANY OTHER BANDS JAMMING WITH EACH OTHER???
btw - how on earth do you play 1000 stars w/o Warren????
http://www.pauserecord.com/ has links to a lot of the setlists + photos and articles about the festival.
As a review, I thought that the whole festival (except the long wait to get in) was absolutely terrific. Phil's set was a ton of fun. The Liberty was festive. The Help > Slip was when the magic really started. Phil's tone was so thick you could cut it with a knife. The sound system was terrific, even clear back to the back of the lawn. Jimmy had to really step up to the plate, and there was a heavier jazz component and less of a bluesy component to this set. I personally would prefer to have Jimmy play the most with warren providing rhythm fill, but that's just me. Bobby's contribution was solid, but Rob kept trying to sing over him (esp during Jack Straw)... I think that adding more members to PLQ just dilutes the magic, but when Bobby is sitting in, just let him sing his songs (IMHO).
The Cryptical was terrific, and we got the nice phil bomb intro to the O1. Again, his tone in this mix was terrific...better than st louis, louisville, or denver that I have done in the past 7 months. I would liken it to the 8-4-76 Roosevelt show.
The funniest moment was when they came back for the encore, and the crowd was doing the NFA chant. Phil tried to lead the crowd in the chant and have the band do the improv vocals, and it totally fell flat. The band even cracked up and just stopped cold. You could hear Bobby leak through the PA at the end saying, 'where the hell are you???', because the chant was sooo off. Great Greatful Dead-style moment. I love these guys, and will see them in any incarnation...
ps. BTW, this was the most free and open taping scenario I have ever witnessed. there were T.S.'s, but anyone was allowed to tape from anywhere....you could go as FOB as you wanted. For the couple bands I taped where I was the only FOB'er, I was still able to put my stand 12ft up even when I was 20ft back DFC. Gotta love not having to keep your rig at head (chatter) height.
pss. I did not tape phil...just boogied.
keep those reviews coming!!!
How did they sound!!!! Except for the drummers this is the Alpine shows. Is it going to be good. Come on guys report!!
I found a pretty good review of Bonnaroo at, of all places, rec.music.phish -- by Atlanta Bob. He did a very empathetic review of the whole scene -- particularly the PLQ set, and proceeded to bad-mouth Trey's set. check it out.
Just walked in the door and grabbed some grub and a shower. My
first impressions from my stunned mind?.....Bonnaroo was a GREAT
festival. Very well organized with zero hassles. Security going in
was non-existent. None of this "checkpoints" stuff (there was one
when you hand them your ticket) nor a heavy police presence. The wait
in traffic was reasonable at around 2 hours from hitting the jam out
on I-24 until parking. While we missed most of the bad stuff by
getting in by 3pm on Thurs, I later heard many that arrived Thurs
night sat for 10-12 hours or more. Inside the festival was a
free-for-all with a strange "controlled chaos" atmosphere. Everyone
seemed real pleased to be there - lots of smiles all around. BTW, Ive
never seen more nugget and shrooms in one place in my entire career of
shows. Prices got down to $75/quarter for great BCster Bud. Shrooms
and chocolate shrooms were so plentiful some were giving them away.
The shows during the day reflected this mellow fun while the night
shows had a more schizoid flavor. Oh yeah, the music....
I didnt get to see everything I wanted because it was very hot
during the afternoon but I did see the main stuff I was interested in.
Big Wu, Dirty Dozen Brass Band, Umphrey's McGee, the end of Les
Claypool's set and WSP were the order of the day for Friday. I would
say Umphrey's made the strongest impression on me out of that lineup
(their cover of Rush's YYZ was just about letter perfect and they
obviously do like to play). WSP was kinda underwhelming playing a
very conservative set of arena-rockers with not much jam. The
overnite sets were a zoo and very over-crowded - esp the Keller
Incident. I finally found a spot next to the tent on Kang's side and
enjoyed the end of the first set and a good bit of the second. Their
bluegrass version of AC/DC's Hell's Bells was really great (as was the
Woman Smarter set II opener). I caught a little of Karl Denson's Tiny
Universe's funked-out (big time!) set as it rolled into the wee hours
- I heard later they jammed until dawn. Those guys are more like
athletes than musicians - they just dont know how to stop.
On Saturday I stayed in the RV and under the canopy for most of
the early afternoon missing Col Hampton & Code Talkers along with Ben
Harper. It started to cool down some and I headed for the tent to see
Les Claypool & the incredible lineup of Buckethead, Brain and Bernie
Worrell. When I got there the band Particle was still kicking it
down. Very energetic hard-funk group with electronic overtones
reminding me of a more muscular Sector Nine. After a bit of a break,
Bernie Worrell comes out and dazzles us with several minutes of some
organ playing. When he starts on the clav, Brain and Les come on out.
Les is in his red Colonel Claypool getup and then he
arrives.....Buckethead....wearing a yellow industrial toxic-waste work
suit, some dreads, a Jason-looking mask and a KFC bucket on top of his
head. All this while playing a flying-V guitar. Quite the scene.
The music was more hard, brutal funk with Buckethead shredding all
over the top. They gelled quite well together but after about 30-40
minutes I decided my shroom-soaked mind had had enough (it was getting
kinda scary) and headed on over to the main stage to see SCI.
What an amazing show this turned out to be. The sun had chilled
out considerably and the lawn out in front of the stage was very
"family-ish" with blankets laid out and people enjoying the mellow
boogie. This atmosphere made me think of what West Coast GD shows
must have been like. The band played its hearts out but in a very
relaxed and loose manner. Steve Winwood and Karl Denson were a great
plus. I think this set changed a lot of way the other bands viewed
playing on that main stage. I say this because of how WSP responded.
The night before they tried to put on a greatest-hits type "rock show"
that lacked good jams. But after the Cheese set, they came out more
relaxed and blew doors with a Chilly>Makes Sense To Me>Chilly opener.
The only downer was how our peaceful little space on the meadow
(during Cheese) became a harrowing circus by the middle of the first
Panic set. Lots of wasted people stumbling through trying to get up
front. We decided to depart and hear the rest of sets from the lawn.
The second set started with more of the standard song selection of the
night before but, picked up considerably with another appearance by
Winwood, this time doing Glad and Low Spark. Randall Bramlett also
added some sax color to the show. The post drums was also a bit
conservative but the encore had a great Arleen and City of Dreams. A
much better show from the WSP guys compared to the night before. I
hung out and gave moe. another shot during the overnight set. I had
seen these guys some years ago and wasnt all that impressed. The hour
or so that I saw on Saturday night didnt do much to change that
opinion. Just not my cup of tea but then I also understand they
played very late as well (like Karl Denson).
Sunday was a great day as some clouds blew in and kept us cool
all during the morning. But by early afternoon it was getting hot
again and the sun was back. I finally headed to the main field around
3pm to see Ween. This was probably the most surprising show of the
festival since it was very mellowed out (more Cheese influence?).
They werent nearly as wacky as the last time I had seen them (an
LSD-drenched acoustic show at The Point here in Atlanta - damn they
were so high). Instead they added a lot of professionalism to their
set of tunes and had a great time (I just noticed that both Dean and
Gene are very good guitarists). Bananas & Blow, Cinco De Mayo were
some songs that stood out. The Roses Are Free got everyone dancing of
course. They ended this set with a couple of mellowed out tunes which
were probably best since it was quite warm on the field. I seeked
shelter next to a sausage vendors cart and waited for Phil & Weir to
come out and do their thing. This set got off to a good start with
Liberty and then settled down into a solid Help>Slipknot>Franklin's.
Lots of heavy Phil bass throughout the Slipknot though the drums also
clipped somewhat as Molo got explosive during the jamming. Franklin's
was a lot of fun with the lawn hopping and the sun settling down some.
They played a couple of new songs (including a very nice Night Of
1000 Stars) and then the meat of the set arrived....Cryptical. This
one had a good jam after the main vocals that segued perfectly into a
smoking Other One (instead of the usual drum intro). Lots of
fantastic energy here even including a Phil bomb or two. Afterwards
they went into a dreamy Wheel-like jam that soared as the sun set. It
eventually led into some more fiery jams in Not Fade Away. This one
put to shame any of the later-Dead versions I heard. It eventually
morphed into a fantastic Know You Rider complete with the common Dead
transition from China Cat (even though it wasnt played). This was a
great end to the set. They came back out and Phil started a
call-and-response NFA chant with the crowd and then did his organ
donor rap. The band intros included calling everyone "Bonnaroo" (as
in Bob "Bonnaroo" Weir). The closing Sugar Mag>TN Jed was just what
the crowd needed to keep hopping. Bobby even threw in a few "Never
gonna fade away" lines during Sunshine Daydream. By this time I was
spent and hung out over near the second stage watching the end of the
Super Jam. Sounded like a lot of fun. I returned to the main stage
to hear Trey Anastasio Band but the DJ there made the odd choice of
playing "techno-metal" with songs by Aerosmith, Tool, Metallica and
others set to electronic beats. After about 10 minutes of this my
expanded mind yearned for some more mellowed out sounds and I went
into the campground some. I returned in time to hear Trey hit the
stage with Push On Til The Day. The rest of the set I watched was
almost too high-energy and had some "too many cooks in the kitchen"
atmosphere about it. Yes the band plays better but it just seemed
repetitive and not dynamic enough for me to deal with in that state
(OK, maybe I was too fucked up....but I dont remember the other stuff
from this tour I heard being like this). I headed on back to the site
and got a load of the antics during my walk. Lots of shroomed out
people walking around dazed and confused. I made it to the tent and
got some needed sleep.
We left this AM around 7am local time. Got out of the lot within
an hour which was nice. Overall I had a great time. The folks who
pulled this thing off did an excellent job with the organization,
schedules, etc. The porta-potties I did visit were relatively clean
(though I only went a couple of times since we had the RV) and I saw
the trucks out vacumming them every day. Trash pickup was fairly
regular and didnt really start to pile up until Sunday night when
people started to leave. We heard on the radio that there were close
to 120,000 people there (though I still see this 70,000 number in
articles) and with the exception of a couple dozen arrests for drunk &
disorderly going in, there were few problems involved (nothing in the
way of serious injury or death either which shows how chilled out the
crowd was). The people at Superfly and AC Entertainment did a great
job and I would definitely return again. Thanks for the great time
I saw the PLQ set at Bonnaroo and I was pretty impressed. As a relatively new GD and Phil phan (this was only my 3rd Phil show), I was pretty pleased with this set. I was a little disappointed that Phil pulled out two of his PLQ songs (I thought he would take the opportunity of playing with Bobby to do only GD stuff), but I understand he wanted to promote his new material.
I was excited to see Jimmy playing lead because I think Warren's bluesy style and slides can get a little predictable at times, and Jimmy didn't disappoint, although I had a little trouble hearing him at times because I was near the left side of the stage where there were predominantly bass speakers.
One of the differences that jumped out at me quite early was that the jams were WAY more structured without Warren in there. I attribute this to the fact that Bob is significantly more limited than Warren and/or not as interested in spacing out.
Liberty: Great song, I was a little surprised to hear it as an opener because I was counting on hearing it only at Gathering of the Vibes, but it's always welcome!
Help/Slip/Franklin's: Surprised they didn't jam into anything else during Slipknot, as Phil likes to do. Here the structured jamming was especially noticeable, they didn't really space out at all, but it was still pretty groovin'.
1000 Stars: Not one of my favorites in terms of PLQ songs, just cause it seems a little simple to me. But Rob did an admirable job singing. I happen to particularly like his voice.
Jack Straw: One of my favorites, sounded good although I saw Bobby getting annoyed at Rob, I think he might have told one of the technicians to turn down Rob's vocals
No More Do I: Another quasi-lame song in my opinion, but Phil did as good a job as he could have singing it.
Cryptical: 2nd time i've caught this one at a PLQ show, and I have to say I really enjoyed it. Since I haven't heard it that much outside of these two instances, I don't really know if anything special happened during it.
Other One: LOVED this one, Molo was incredibly aggressive on the drums and Phil was driving home the bassline, you couldn't help bouncing up and down. Bobby sounded great on the Spanish Lady verses, although he paused an extra bar between lines, if i'm not mistaken (maybe trying to prolong the spotlight?)
NFA: Obviously a favorite, they did well with some wonderful (and the spaciest of the set) jamming in between verses. Got the crowd chanting/clapping at the end, although they weren't done yet.
Cryptical: Nice closure
Rider: One of my personal favorites, Bob sang his "March Winds" line all alone which was pretty neat, then they all sang the ColoradoRain line together, leading to a nice end of set
Encore: the crowd spontaneously started a NFA chant as they were going off stage, and when they came back on Phil and Bobby kinda played off the crowd for about 20 seconds, the most interactive i've ever seen him and pretty awesome. Then when he stopped, intending the crowd to continue the chant, they just stopped. It was pretty funny, and Phil said "What happened? You faded away!" Then introductions (John Molo, Bob "Bonnaroo" Weir, Rob "Bonnaroo" Barraco and Jimmy "Bonnaroo" Herring)
SugarMagnolia: My first love in terms of GD songs, never dreamed I'd hear it at Bonnaroo! Done pretty by-the-book, Bobby didn't seem to have lost much off of his voice during this song. Nice vocal jamming on the Sunshine Daydream, Bobby even threw in a few "not fade aways," trying to combine the NFA theme with the sunshine daydream. Pretty sweet.
Tennessee: Of course everyone was waiting for this one, being in Manchester, TN. Jimmy was reading the music for this one and was obviously struggling a little bit, although he pulled it off (After Phil counted down from the Sunshine jam, Jimmy didn't hit his cue for the opening riff, Phil had to look at him and say "That's you! Go on!" or something to that effect, it was kinda funny). Jimmy's unfamiliarity with the song was a little obvious (and frustrating) at times, but overall it was a treat.
Closing thoughts: A pretty solid set from Mr. Lesh and friends, although I think it could have been better. I was expecting Bob to sing more songs (I was REALLY hoping for a Cassidy or a Music), and I kinda wish that they would have played some of those rather than Phil's songs. It seems to me that they may have been alternating song choices after the Liberty and Help/Slip/Franklin: 1000 stars(Phil), Jack Straw(Bob), No More Do I(Phil), Cryptical/OtherOne(Bob), Rider(Phil), Sugar(Bob), with NFA and Tennessee being mutually selected, although I could be reading WAY too much into this.
Anyway, sorry so long, hope it was helpful in some way. FYI, I had to leave right after the Phil show to make a summer school final Monday morning (i had to drive 8 hours to make it), so after I got back I talked to my friend who had stayed for Trey and she told me he really blew big time, which made me happy for leaving when I did. I knew Trey couldn't top Phil anyway. Later
I for one am sick and tired of all the Bobby bashing on this board. As for jazzfest - I thought Bob's set was much better than Phil's - just listen to that Eyes>Answers with DJ logic - much more imaginative than anything Phil did that day. Bob favors structure - sometines that's boring. But Phil's arrangments have gotten fairly overblown and self indulgent, somehting I find equally boring. People have also loved to rag on Bob 'cause his personality does invite it. However, his unique approach to the guitar was the perfect complement to Jerry for so long. Phil is indispensible - we love him of course. But have people forgotten it really was the Bob and Jerry show? Can you imagine what the attitude towards Phil would have been if he sang every other song? We would have cried for blood. There were even entire TOURS where Phil was so low down in the mix you couldn't discern the bass line from the bass drum. Has everyone forgotten what incredible energy Bob brought to songs like J. Straw, Bucket, Stranger, Estimated, Let it Grow, Music Never, Samson, etc, etc. - especially in the mid '80s. If you missed it maybe you have forgotten that the DEAD WERE A ROCK N ROLL BAND. PHIL (and I have seen him countless times going back to first Friends show at the Fillmore) is not interested in a rock structure - but a jazz structure. Sure the Dead went out there too - but they always came back to top it off with some straight ahead rock. When Bob cuts someone off in Phil's band, it may be for good reason. (c'mon Warren has 2 or 3 tones -Jerry had 200 - it does get old)
GIVE WEIR HIS DUE, HE HAS EARNED IT AS MUCH AS PHIL. EVEN IF HE IS A JERK. WE KNOW PHIL CAN BE A POMPOUS ASS TOO.
Phil RAISED THE BAR on the post Dead thing.
saved their butts..What about my seeing Ratdog here in san diego 3 times in a row FLAT..I loved LIVE early Bobby and The Midnights..and Kingfish w/ Bob live 1976ish...DID U want to see Bob and Rob as 2 man group..rock n roll?
Your ears are entitled to their opinion..
Bob should play music that he wants to play...
Bob - Hangin around w/ P + Friends is not a bad thing to do this summer...
I agree, bob was at his peak when he played with the bands kingfish and bobby and the midnights. I saw and loved many of those shows especially the kingfish ones. I think it fit him much more then what he is doing now. I dont look at the mid to late 80s as a highlight in the dead career. In fact, one of the things I disliked most about it was the way bobby behaved and his "showmanship" during shows and the routine it fell into it. SOme of it was downright boring. Look at the 70s and late 60s, where phil was an itegral part and bobby was still learning how to play. to me ,stranger, and bucket are not reminders of what the dead were about. And perphaps Its me, but i think phil shows really do ROCK these days and are not just jazz. BTW, as i have mentioned before... isnt amazing that phil himself also agrees that this is the most creative energetic stuff that has come out since the late 70s? As do many others of the family. PErsonally, I got bored of the dead in much of the 80s and the 90s were a straight downhill trend. But i guess if you didnt get to experience the stuff like from 71, 73, 74, 76, 77, 78, 80, 81, even 83 then maybe thats the problem. Tapes are great, but they can never do justice to what the whole experience was about.
But lets see what the people think. Phil shows sell out or nearly sell out across the country. The mnusicians who play with phil all come from top name bands who were well known Warren himself can sell out shows and was instrumental in the great late 80s revival of the allman brothers. Zen trickesters were the hugest most successful dead influenced/cover band ever where rob borraco comes from. Jimmy comes from the Allmans and Molo also had a great background/career. Bob plays smaller arenas and sometimes, maybe sells out. Bob opens for phil. Phil doesnt open for bob. Without bob weir (And his name) i doubt that band could get booked outside of the local bar scene. Who are they? When in New Orleans on their shows outside of jazzfest, Phil headlined at the main auditorium and sold it out. SO did warren. As did mellissa ethridge, lenny kravitz and a few others. Bob headlined at a local bar. When in FL, phil sold out 2 straight nites at sunrise and rocked (4000 a nite). Bobby played one nite at a small arena and wasnt sold out (2500). Recently this year, ratdog played the same arena (2500) to the same size crowd. This year, Phil is playing Mars Amphitheatre (19,000) over 4x the size of sunrise and it is almost sold out.
The truth is, ever since bob started jamming with phil, his band ratdog has gotten much better, cause of the influence of the phil band has had on him.
The dead never were the bob and jerry show. They started as the pigpen show, became the jerry, phil and mickey show. And tolerated bobby and his antics.
Sounds like a good set. Getting to Bobby though, I feel Bobby was great in the Dead. But he lacks the true talent that Jerry or Phil had or have. Bob has not done anything heartstopping or mindbending since Jerry died. The Furthur tours were lame. Lacking anyone who could play a lead or a sweet melody sans the sax player. I don't come to these shows to see a sax player. Guitar playing is what I like to hear. But Bob can't play lead guitar well enough to pull it off. Plus his ego is to big to hire an adequate guitar player. He is afraid he'll be shown up. Think what your music scene this summer would be if there was no PLQ and just Ratdog. I remember those summers all too well. I hope Bobby is always welcome at Phil shows. They could use a backup guitar player for jimmy and warren.
Weren't there a LOT more messages in this topic yesterday???
No, not just the bunk setlists... other stuff too... like the story about Warren and Bobby from NO Jazzfest. Please correct me if I'm wrong but I thought that was in this topic.
JN - AT LEAST YOU HAd A COUPLE WORDS OF ENCOURAGEMENT FOR BOB...
Who opens for who does not mean much to me..it is what music is being played...which is something that evolves over time...
DJ Logic played at last Further in San Diego..The thing he did w/ Rob Wasserman was really good..
Phil mixes it up..sounds fresh..and they look like they are enjoying themselves.
Stay happy and healthy...all else follows...
Access thru my recent posts to this thread resulted in " crazy script "..So YES lots of stuff..GONE >>>
I never post on this site because the bashing of all things non-Phil or Warren really turns me off. I came in today because I wanted to see if there were any reviews of the Phil/Bob set and of course what do I see but the same old Bobby bashing. Some of the things that are said about Bobby are just unbelievable. As far as "talent" is concerned, I think being the lead vocalist and/or songwriter of about 1/2 of the Dead's material must mean there is some talent there don't you think? I mean when Phil drops the bomb during TOO you do realize Bobby wrote the song right? Another of favorite comments was comparing attendance figures. Is P&F more popular than RatDog? Yes, but that was more do to with what some people remember RatDog being in 1995-1996 (basically Bobby's blues based side project) than what they are now. I also believe that recently Phil cancelled shows in Madison, WI and Salt Lake City due to lack of ticket sales and moved shows in Boise and Chicago to smaller venues for the same reason. In addition, the shed shows that Phil does over the summer that sell well are double bills with ABB and other Dead members including, dare I say it, RatDog. As far as the comment about the Dead "tolerating Bobby and his antics" as if he was a charity case that comment is so ridiculous I'm not even going to respond.
The bottom line is that Bobby and Phil clearly missed playing with each other. I expect that we will continue to see more and more collaborations in the future and I couldn't be happier. I hope you all appreciate me providing you with fresh bashing material
>I never post on this site because the bashing of all things non-Phil or Warren really turns me
And here we were thinking this whole time it was because we talked about midgets with nipple clamps.
I don't watch the WWF on TV because their lack of respect for each other turns me off...
I'm sick and tired of people being sick and tired of the Bobby bashing.
Sorry, I thought this was the "PHIL" zone and not the "RatDog" site. As someone else here eloquently said, "think of what the "post dead" music scene would be this year(or last) if the PLQ didnt exist and the highight was ratdog. Enough said.
>>I never post on this site because the bashing of all things non-Phil.... what do I see but the same old Bobby bashing.
Maybe there is a reason.
>>I think being the lead vocalist and/or songwriter of about 1/2 of the Dead's material must mean there is some talent there don't you think?
No, just something they did from the beginning, took turns singing songs as the lead vocalists. So of course, he ends up doing about 1/2 the lyrics as half of the 2 main vocalists.
>>I mean when Phil drops the bomb during TOO you do realize Bobby wrote the song right?
There have been some amazing lyrics written over the years including TOO, but remember, most all of the amazing lyrics were written by ROBERT HUNTER. However, it was never really about the lyrics and the words, but the music. We didnt go to hear the "lyrics" of dark star sung in a 2 minute song, but to hear a 20-30 minute version of the "music" of dark star with or without the lyrics.
>>Yes, but that was more do to with what some people remember RatDog being in 1995-1996
Early PLQ wasnt so hot either back then but the fans have responded in kind to their emergence.
>>the shed shows that Phil does over the summer that sell well are double bills with ABB and other Dead members including, dare I say it, RatDog.
Yeah, but why is the headliner always either phil or allmans and never ratdog, doesnt that say something?
>>As far as the comment about the dead "tolerating Bobby and his antics" as if he was a charity case that comment is so ridiculous I'm not even going to respond.
They tolerated donna for many years also. And remember, by the mid 80s jerry was very sick often and so was phil, all of which left room for bob to do his "star" thing and in some way keep the band going. But this was not the best years of the dead. Bob DOES HAVE AND HAS HAD his good points and made his "valuable" contribution to the dead. He just wasnt the star nor isnt today. In the world of music today, he just doesnt have the talent of Phil, nor does his band come close to the talent of PLQ.
I'm just a lurker, and I like the Bobby bashing, I think it's funny and do it myself sometimes. I "pick on" a lot of my close friends and that is the way I see most Bobby bashing, but the earlier post saying Bob sang 1/2 the songs just because thats how they started doing it missed the point. Bobby sang those songs because he wrote them. And the comment on the Other One, Hunter wrote the Lyrics Bobby wrote the music. I would say that Bobby wrote very few lyrics over the years.( I've read interviews with Hunter and Barlow saying they didn't particularly care for some of Bobby's rewrites of their lyrics.)But most any song Bobby sings he is usually the main composer of the music. Anyway, it doesn't matter, I'm digging all of it. I'm just glad we have still have these things to argue about.As a final thought to rile some of you up, I would have to say that for those of you who don't like Bob's guitar style, you just don't understand it. It's over your head.
I would have to say that for those of you who don't like Bob's guitar style, you just don't understand it. It's over your head.
Agreed, wholeheartedly. Listen to any China>Rider from '74 and listen for the dueling leads during the segues.
"shine my light
through the cool
Colorado rain (wishful thinking)"
awsome show, awsome people,awsome time had by all!!!!!!!phil rocked ,every band that was there turned in a awsome performance.only problem was it was HOT!
cant wait till next year!!
What do you mean, Bob wrote TOO? Just because he name is on it? Do you really think that just because someone's name is on the credits they wrote it entirely alone? Do you really think Bob said, this is how I want the bass?. Hit the drums right here and here? Music becomes a collaboration and many of the parts are often written by the people playing the instrument. For all you know, Bob came up with the basic riff (which, btw, is pathetically simple, or beautifully simple) and Phil said, hey, it would be pretty cool if I played this over that.
Do you really think that Bob wrote the lead riffs for the other one? It was Jerry, man! Bob can't even think of notes that fast.
Now, I don't know for sure who wrote what, but I guarantee Phil has had more influence on the dead's music than appears on the liner notes.
>>>I would have to say that for those of you who don't like Bob's
guitar style, you just don't understand it. It's over your head.
Yeah the clankity, clank-boing, boink! chiiiing sound is waaaaaaaay over my head.
Honestly sometimes I wonder if Bob knows what the the word rythm means. I appreciatte the fact that's he's an artist and he likes to try new styles, sometimes it doesn't work for me.
ps this is the wrong thread for this, but I had to chime in.
Paul A, I totally agree that Phil had lots of influence on what Dead tunes ultimately ended up sounding like after Jerry and Bob wrote the basic tunes. I was not putting down Phil, I was simply trying to make the point that Bob was as integral a part of what was the greatest band in history as Phil...Jerry is on another level! BTW, the person who ssaid that hunter wrote the lyrics to TOO is wrong. TOO is a Weir/Billy K. collaboration and Bobby wrote the lyrics.
cool turtle. I like bob. was just trying to make a point is all.
Hey Folks, this is Atl Bob here - the guy who wrote the review shag (Clifton Hanger) posted for yall. First off, that review could be found on any of three different newsgroups - RMP, RMGD & alt.music.string-cheese-incident (not just RMP). Also, while I didnt think the Trey show was my cup of tea, I dont want people to think I was bashing it. Honestly, I was pretty out there by the time he hit the stage and the aggro stuff the DJ was playing may have messed with my attitude some. Im sure if I heard it on tape I would be impressed. But at the time it just seemed like too much was going on audio-wise and I just wanted some more mellow tunes to ease my head.
Some other comments about Phil....after one of the songs he said something like "In the old hippie dictionary, Bonnaroo is another word for 'da kind'" and then said some other stuff that was drowned out by everyone cheering this quip. Also, I felt that from Cryptical until TN Jed was by far the best "Dead" I have ever witnessed - every version of those songs was played better than any of ones done by the Dead in their later years (well, I never saw a Cryptical). Songs like NFA and Sugar Mags were REAL jams instead of the set-closing throw-aways the Dead treated them as.
One last comment - a friend of mine had press passes and got into the post-show press conference that Phil & Bob had (she also said Trey was there). She tells me that Phil got a little peeved at all the questions to him about the Dead and after answering 2 or 3 of them said "OK, enough questions about the Dead. It's in the past and I don't have anything else to say about it. If you want to ask about my current band and the new album, I'm ready but save any questions you have about the Grateful Dead." She also said he raised his voice when he said this and was not a happy camper. Can anyone else out there confirm this? Seems kinda weird for Phil to get so ticked when he just got done out-playing the Dead (well, later-era Dead at least). In any event, this Bonnaroo thing was "da kind" and I would return in a heartbeat. Also gotta see more Phil and Friends soon!
I think you guys are forgetting this is the review section, so if you were not there, kindly go to the discussion section.
I was there and had a great f-ing time. I am 25, saw 16 GD shows, a few lackluster further fests, and many others shows before becoming a complete and total Phil freak at the Tower Theatre in Philly in 2000. Since then , I have seen P & F around 20 times at the beacon, fillmore in denver, oakland, atlanta, miami,southeast, ect. ect.
The show on Sunday really kicked ass. I was at first a little disapointed that WArren would not be there, but, soon got over it. I thougth it sounded great w/ Bobby, alot better than the PLQ set from the jazzfest fairgrounds on 5/5/02. the jams were tighter, it seemed to me that they had gone over arrangements more, whereas on other tapes adn shows ive seen where bobby joined P&F, he seemed to be out of sync. To me, this was not the case on sunday. Liberty was good and got the day rollin. I really enjoyed the HSF, and it had some tasty jamming, although I think I prefer the full on PLQ version if it came down to it. It was extremely weird to hear night of 1000 stars, never expected that, I had thougth Warren *owned* that tune, but , i guess not. Jack Straw sounded really, really good, and was a very appropriate choice for the festival. A really hot jammed out ending. No more do I was cool, although, again , I like the harmonies of lesh/warren/rob.
The highlight of the set was easily the cryptical sandwhich, w/ Phil singing the cryptical verses and bobby raging his traditional verses, and a NFA inside that just kicked major ass. And the closing Rider would make any self respecting deadhead proud. cant say enough about that one, the ending was just friggin textbook. Encore was great, loved the Jimmy 'Bonnaroo' Herring ect. Sugar Magnolia was blistering, especially the ending w/ bobby adding some falsetto and lunging w/ his guitar. Phil seemed to be getting a kick out of watching Bobby thrash his guitar around at the end of the song. Great stuff.
One more thing to add, at the Kaiser this new years, and at jazzfest, I thought the addition to the P & F lineup took away some of the spunk the band presents, and it is definitely a different band w/o warren, but, it sounded really good. I would say things are looking up for any future Terrapin Station possibilities. But at the same time, I love the lineup of P&F as it is now, and cannot wait for red rocks.
I suppose we get the best of both worlds, let hope it stays that way! Bonnaroo was completely and totally bonneriffic. And coming from someone who has seen over 100 phish shows, having Trey Anastasio band close the festival instead of Phil & Bobby was the only major screw-up an otherwise perfect festival.
I love the hippier than now attitude in here.
It's kind of funny.
get used to it notalent...it is rampant here
25 years old and saw 16 Dead shows?
Damn, my parents wouldn't even take me to the Moody Blues when I was 14 years old.... ;)
I'm a little hesitant to chime in here, but methinks a few of you need to go listen to a Weather Report Suite from '74 (or, my personal favorite, Sage and Spirit), and remind yourselves what an extraordinary musician and songwriter Bobby is.
Moody Blues? My parents are/were into opera and Mozart.
>>>She tells me that Phil got a little peeved at all the questions to him about the Dead
good..."I'm surprised he kept his cool at all... that has GOT to get annoying... it's like he hasn't done anyting since '95! omg.. they need to get a life, those press types..."
>>>but methinks a few of you need to go listen to a Weather Report Suite from '74
You know what I'm actually going to do that. I need a refresher. Bobs just done a few things recently that I haven't been to happy with. I wanna really sit down and listen to some of Bobs licks from back in the day.
hey there folks... wow, i thought this was going to be a review thread for phil and bobby's set from bonnaroo!
so here's my review:
opened up with a liberty that was good but nothing over the top. i'm honestly not a huge fan of this song, so maybe i'm a bit biased.
the opening notes of help on the way heralded the arrival of the serious music for the evening with bob and rob trading off on the vocals.
the slipknot was just killer!, and bobby(that's right BOBBY) just kept pushing things down deeper and spacier during the middle jam. great dark stuff that led into the return of slipkot. a great version.
predictably, though not disapointingly, this led into franklin's. a nice solid version that got the very, very large crowd up and dancing in the evening sun. a funny moment occured when during a verse phil kind of mumbled some lines then came back right in time for 'if you get confused, listen to the music plaaaaayyy', adding some extra gusto to the line.
maybe my memory is worse than those who posted the setlist on the zone, but i recall the boys coming to a stop after the end of franklins's.
a little jam led into a very surprising choice next, 1000 stars. i really didn't expect them to play any warren tunes. in my humble opinion this version just didn't take off without mr. haynes there to howl away, rob did his best with the vocals but i think that this song just suits warren better. this came into a nice mellow jam that eventually dropped into jack straw.
an excellent song choice and an excellent version. i'm pretty sure they came to another stop after jack straw ended.
then another little jam led into another warren tune, no more do i. this time phil took over the vocal duties and i think pulled it off a bit better. maybe not the best no more do i that they ever played but very enjoyable all the same. a very sweet jam flowed out of the ending and floated around in the southern sun for a bit before the first notes of cryptical arose.
sung very strongly by phil, who was obviously having fun the entire time- making silly faces and hamming it up all with a huge smile on his face, cryptical flowed into a jam that kept building the energy up and up from the quietness of cryptical.
some crazy licks from all three guitarists led into a very mean intro to the other one. probably the highlight of the set for me, this other one get dark and mean just like it should.
after some very intense jamming that led into a nice spacey section and then back again, bob came back to sing the second verse. personally, i could do without the y'alls on the chorus. i just don't think that bobby singing 'comin around y'all' fits the mood of the song. (i guess it's better than bobby singing 'coming around y'all now', though).
as the other one chorus came to a close another hot jam started up. very high in energy, this built into not fade away. the crowd was more than happy to do their part with the hand clapping and the chanting and what not. another rather amusing thing occured after the first verse of the other one. as jimmy was getting into his solo, bobby came in with the nfa riff trying to come back to the next verse. jimmy just shook his head a little and proceeded to blast off with a killer solo that led into some more tasty jamming before bob finally got his way and brought everybody back together for the verse.
after that super hot nfa, it was time to bring it down again with the other side of the bun. the cryptical reprise finished off the musical sandwhich with phil singing with even MORE moxy.
but the boys weren't done yet, as cryptical floated away, yet another upbeat jam started. it slowly became more familiar until the opening of i know you rider delighted the crowd. i'm running out of words to use to adequately describe this set, so i'll simply say that this version kicked ass! the crowd went ballistic for bbob's sun gonna shine verse,i guess not everyone hates bobby, the poor guy
after a few minutes of the crowd doing the ol nfa chant and clap routine, phil came out with bobby and the did a little vocal improve around the nfa chorus. they tried to get the crowd involved but everyone got lost and eventually the whole thing was aborted with smiles and laughs from all.
donor rap and band intros plus the bonnaroo bonus names.
sugar magnolia was definitely a crowd pleaser and it was a rocker. a small pause before the sunshine daydream section where i thought they might go into something else, but they finished the song in it's proper order. after the song's close, the band almost came to a stop except for a few rogue notes and thumps. it seemed like maybe there was originally a transitional jam planned in there but it was aborted with a sheepish look from phil and a shrug of the shoulders.
a short pause led into the much expected tennessee jed, which was nice and loose and a great capper to the set.
it was a great set, and a great festival (except for the traffic) and i had a hell of a time. maybe this phil and friends line up wasn't quite up to level of the quintet, but what is? this seemed like a wonderful warm up gig for the other ones for whenever(and wherever) they eventually play the terrapin station shows.
as for the bobby bashing, i like him. i know that most of you are probably more knowledgable heads than myself, but check out the show from redrocks in 78 (7/8/78), there are some truly amazing moments courtesy of mr. weir there. and i agree with the wrs comment, one of my favorite dead jams, and i would be ecstatic to hear the other ones play it.
now i'm going to apply some more calamine lotion to more poor sun soaked self.
p.s. i'm writing an article on the festival for psychedelica.com so if you're interested in a more formal rundown of the events check it out. i'll have it turned in by the time i leave for the gathering, who knows when it will actually come out. i doubt they want the song by song rundown of phil's set, so i posted this little thought blurb here for ya. sorry to be so long winded!
Just gettin' home. Couldn't post last night in tiny Virginia town (pulse lines, I believe).
As is clear by now, Philzone set list not quite right: NFA definitely after 2nd verse Other One, before 2nd verse Cryptical.
Not much to add after Messrs. Eric and Chris, but as someone who's favorite member of the the band lately has been Warren, I was extremely skeptical going in. Though Jimmy was a bit shy (and turned down) at the beginning, he came through like we knew he could. And Weir was a thousand times better than at jazzfest. THERE HE WAS, singing background on Phil tunes! Was that a statement of healing or what? He appreciates good tunes. 1000 Stars and No More Do I were certainly different. They pulled it off, No More Do I especially, I thought.
You can search Deadbase until the cows come home, but Tennessee Jed as second encore!! It actually worked.
[Widespread with Winwood was another highlight. Had never seen those guys. EN-ER-GY!!! Festival went off well. Superfly has their shit together.]
Pardon me, as Eric described, after the close of the show and before the band introductions and donor rap, Bob and Phil (sans bass) came out together and did one minute of the NFA chant. Great moment, indicative of the healing (or to promote the summer tour).
The main body of NFA was during The Other One.
I guess the encores would therefore read, ">NFA, Intros and Donor rap, Sugar Mags>Tennesee Jed"?
it's too hard i'd agree to compare or find an equal to the quintet - so i try to see it as more of a brotherhood thing with these guys.. they have and are still making history TOGETHER - bobby adds and takes away but it's great they play together in respect to each other..
our opinions are cool, but when phil gets pissed from taking repititious questions about the dead.. which make sense any time except in the middle of promoting a new album and tour in 2002.. it's a sign of growth.
THERE AND BACK AGAIN AND BACK AGAIN + AGAIN.. PHIL RULES!!
nugs.net has mp3s of the show...
Night of 1000 Stars sounds really different without Warren.
As to this Bobby bashing, I thought he showed a lot of class and humility in playing a secondary role and letting Phil shine.
Phil was center stage. Phil took all the Franklin's vocals. Before Bobby even sang a song, he backed up Night of 1,000 Stars. Very cool. I mean, would Phil do that - does he know the words to Evening Moods?
I'm glad Bob didn't come in and do Cassidy, Music, etc., like before. The Jack Straw, which came out of a long, slow transition, was really sweet. Hearing the full Other One (plenty long and jammy) was also a huge treat.
But this was not a Weir-dominated show by any means. He was a member of Phil's band tonight, and did the job.
There's so much more to say about this festival, a seminal moment in the jamband culture. I'll have to check the other websites. Although WSP and Trey were the headliners, it was fitting Phil & Bob were there. They started it, after all.
OK, my memory is slowly coming back to me so here are a couple more thoughts about Phil & Bob at the 'roo....
1) If you are a Phil bomb fan (who isnt?) you really need to get this show. There are nasty biscuits at the end of the intro of Slipknot! (you know, when they get done with all the complex scales and drop into the jam), near the end of Jack Straw (very nice and brought back a lot of memories of Dead shows past) as well as his classic intro to The Other One (not as powerful as the Slipknot! bomb but still a blast to hear again). There were more bombs throughout The Other One and he also laid it down during Sugar Mags. Overall, Phil's tone and presence was in full effect this show. The only other bassist that got close to his out-right low-end dominance was David Schools (WSP) on Saturday night.
2) I noticed a few times Phil going up to the mike and seeming to sing along with whatever they were jamming (ie, during non-vocal sections). The cameraman musta noticed this too since he would focus on Phil whenever he did this. After a while I realized that what Phil was doing was giving directions to the other bandmembers via the in-ear monitor system. He must have a pedal or switch that allows him to talk into the mike but only have the band hear him. Very cool and makes for some great seamless segues.
3) That new song called "More Than I" had a lyric in there saying something like "seeking redemption (??) in a dead man's eye". This made me think a lot about Jerry and the scene in general. Maybe this is where Phil is saying he is tired of living in Jerry (& the Dead)'s shadow and wants to live for himself and his new band. Very cool lyric that gave me a shiver or two.
4) The crowd for this show seemed very into it, esp during the big dance numbers (Franklin's, Sugar Mags, etc). A lot of them were younger folks probably too young to see the Dead during their day. Very cool to witness them "getting on the Bus".
OK, enough for now. If I have anymore thoughts I will post em.
This Phil set is posted on www.nugs.net
Great recording (SBD?) and a great show considering Warren isn't there! What a great way to start the day!
Check it out and enjoy!
I don't know where to start with this review. This weekend was absolutely amazing--the music, the scene, the vibe were all incredible. here's the story of my trip to bonnaroo.....
my girlfriend and i bought a westy vanagon two weeks ago, so this was her maiden voyage (with us anyway). damn what a sweet touring vehicle. she did great except for a flat tire as we pulled into manchester, tn. took aaa four hours to get to us because of the traffic. (that is the ONLY problem i had the with the whole weekend.) the staff (all hippies) were checking vehicles for "firearms" and to make sure everyone had tickets. no hassle really, and they gave us all a free cd from bonnaroo artists. we finally arrived to the festival site at 4:30 a.m. went to sleep in the pop-up with the sun rising. woke up at 9:30 a.m. baking. that was pretty much our sleep schedule for the whole weekend. but it was cool--who needed sleep when there was great live music almost 24 hrs a day?
as we started walking around the next morning, we quickly realized what a cool, special event this was. no cops anywhere, and that was absolutely key. we were getting along by OUR rules, being respectful, kind, considerate. the "security" were wearing shirts that said "safety" and that's all they were there for: to make sure everyone was still breathing. and we were. no deaths, no overdoses. no violence. amazing. i talked to a cop (incidentally the only one i saw the whole time i was there) who said he was blown away by this event. he said they expected lots of arrests, full jails, etc. only 18 arrests all weekend, mostly locals! that cop hugged me with tears in his eyes and said "i've seen the magic here, and it's you folks" (can you believe that shit?!) i'll soon have pictures of my partner hugging that cop. unbelievable.
anyway, the music! wow. i guess i'm old, but i had no idea there was so much excellent psychedelic music out there-- umphrey's mcgee, donna the buffalo, karl denson were the highlights of day one for me. i would see all of these bands again and buy their cds. very good. met a very yound guy (probably 15 or so) that night who was so cute and sweet. he follows string cheese around. my girlfriend, kirsten, and i were talking about how sad we were when jerry died, how the kids coming up wouldn't have a scene like we did and a way to see the country, pass on the hippie values, etc. he totally inspired me by saying that "cheese" gives this to the kids these days. not to feel bad for them. fabulous. i've known that hippie culture has lived on in music and in fashion, but i was worried about the values dying. i'm no longer worried. and we earned tremendous repsect from him because we were on dead tour. i felt some kind of "elder respect," something i hadn't experienced ever (since i was too young when it was last there i think). i really liked the cross-generational connecting there. and despite the lack of racial diversity in the audience, the line-up was nice and diverse-- incredible brass band and djs (except not as many women as i'd like to see in the scene--had to miss norah jones cause she played during phil-damn).
anyway, day two was even better than day one. string cheese rocked hard, with steve winwood and karl denson adding a lot to the jam and the overall energy of the show. widespread was very good too--steve winwood came back and played glad tidings and low spark. WOW. I was blown away by that. then, later that night we danced for like five hours to galactic. if you haven't checked out this band, do yourself a big favor and go. they are truly amazing. very talented. as i lay down to sleep i heard them playing rainy day women. i looked at my watch: 4:20 a.m. gotta love that. i fell asleep soon after, but i heard that some of galactic, moe, and dj logic played until 8:30 a.m. (they started at midnite.) the music never fucking stopped!!
so by sunday i was trying really hard to pace myself for phil and bobby -- the whole reason i went in the first place. chilled out under some shade trees and listened to bela fleck. nice for recovering from the night before. as he finished up we mosied over to the stadium. (by the way, there were four stages going all day long. they were close together, though, so you could catch part of a set here, part there. somehow the acoustics of the whole thing worked.)
there were lots of deadheads in the grassy field. lots of young young folks too, and i'm sooo glad they came out for the "old school". we all got a real tasty treat from phil and friends. liberty was a nice warm-up, but things got totally rocking during help-slip-franklins. this version blew the jazzfest version away. less bobby vocals, more intense jamming. the field kept filling up, and one of my friends was nearly passing out from a hangover and the heat. so we moved back to the "mist tent" for the rest of the show. the mist tent was just perfect. it was nice and cool and the ground was soft for barefoot dancing. i don't know why 50,000 people weren't there. but it was just about five or six of us the whole time. god it was nirvana dancing to jack straw (tee-tee break during night of 1000 stars). no more do i brought tears to my eyes--this song has become an all-time favorite for me. by the time they got to not fade away i was a changed woman. SO much energy feeding off the band and the crowd, a real grateful dead-ish moment. the other one was real nice too. i like the way they've changed it up and bobby sounded just great. i think he hit the groove during this song and then he just soared. sugar mag was terrific, and i think the tennessee jed was just the most appropriate ender. ain't no place i'd rather have been.
i was sad to see phil and bobby's set so short, but the dj between them and trey was so great. z-trip is his name and he funks out all these great 80s and 90s tunes like pat benatar, inxs, jane's addiction. i kept on dancing in the mist tent with the friends i made during phil's set. i think i finally stopped dancing sometime during trey's set which was only because i ran completely out of energy by that point. trey actually sounded good to me, and i'm not really much of a phish fan.
we wandered around that night, taking it all in, coming down and chatting with folks. in fact, we met so many nice kind people this weekend. i have restored hope and faith in the present and future of our scene. sounds corny, i know, but i'm totally emotional about the experience of this past weekend. i cried twice on the phone trying to articulate it to a friend and to my mother. (and called my bother to tell him about it but come to find out he was there and i never even saw him. damn!)
i am so excited about bonnaroo. this is going to happen again, and it's a huge plus for our scene i think. it was a test, to see if we could get together and pull it off. with great organization and the right music and people, it happened. shows the alpine folks that all you need is to let us camp, provide basic services, and we'll take care of the rest. see you all out on the road.... what a great summer to be alive! peace and love, beth
On July 7 1986, during the "Satisfaction" encore at RFK Jerry said "One of my favorite people in the whole world"....Mr. BOB WEIR.
As much as this makes me smile each time I hear it, reading the review of Ratdog's set the night after Jerry died makes me cry again and again.
Bobby just like the rest of the members of the band is all heart and balls. And that is what I LOVE about each of them.
BobR writes, "That new song called "More Than I" had a lyric in there saying something like "seeking redemption (??) in a dead man's eye"...
The song is "No More Do I", and the lyric is
"No more, no more, no more do I
Seek reflection in a dead man's eye."
thanks for the reviews, BobR and BethC
Having a pretty sweet vantage point back stage, all I will say is there was a tremendous energy between Phil and Bob that I understand has been non-existent pretty much since Jerry's passing. In between the end of the set and the encores, Phil and Bob were hanging out behind the stage with big, huge grins. As far as Bob, just the almost-manic/crazed and goofy looks he was flashing (especially during TOO) made it clear that all was right in this set and Bobby and Phil land. I only hope they come up with a solution for Alpine. I totally agree that the music from Bonnaroo was epic. Those who say SuperFly did no wrong, I respectfully disagree. Did they learn nothing from Cypress???? Being stuck on I-24 for 14 hrs trying to get into a venue is one thing, but all the poor truckers and people simply trying to go somewhere who have absolutely nothing to do with the festival and are total victims, well that sucks. I had a free ticket, so I could deal, but there were better solutions than letting (and accepting) the New Years 2000 traffic quagmire recur. The part that agitates me is that I heard Super Fly people say they knew what was coming, there was nothing they could do, and so be it. Now THAT'S a solution....
I agree w/ your sentiments about the energy exchange b/t bobby and phil, although I could only see it from the screens. But the size of Phil's smile as he watched Bobby doing his song ending lunges during the end of Sugar Magnolia indicated to me they were having a friggin ball.
traffic sucked indeed, music ruled supreme
see you guys in raleigh-atlanta, then red rocks
Its great to hear that the set was so well played. What a great summer. Heavy dose of PHIL at the Vibes and then Alpine. Sounds like Alpine may be what we all hoped the dead would be but fell short alot in the 80s and 90s. Very Psyched for this
Topsy.....now that you mention it he did say "reflection" and not "redemption". This song has got some serious mojo behind it folks. I got a major hair-raising-on-back-on-neck when he sung that. Has to be about the Dead and Jerry.
Also, to the person who mentioned that Phil kinda blew the lyric in Franklin's until he got to "If you get confused...." line - you are right on about that. Phil bellowed that last classic lyric and you could feel the energy ripple through the crowd. God I love that guy!
gratest shows i have seen since 7-7-01 before that june 95..the best weekend i ever had,the place rocked for sure.it was the greatest music festival of all times.anything goes at bonnaroo!!!!!!!!!!!!
i doubt it will be as cool next year but lets hope!!!!!
>As much as this makes me smile each time I hear
>it, reading the review of Ratdog's set the night
>after Jerry died makes me cry again and again.
Chris, could you point me to this review?
NOW THIS IS ONE PRETTY DARN GOOD REVUE THREAD,,,
THANKS ALL OF YOU FOR THE EFFORT PUT FORTH....
F*UCK = all caps again...sorry..I guess what P + did out west was not a fluke ..eh !!!!
Good GOD what is up with all this Bobby bashing? Were any of you bashers even out of elementary school when the Dead were in their heyday? Was current PLQ pinup boy Warren Haynes even out of high school when Bobby, Phil, Jerry and the boys were doling out 30 minute Playin' In the Band's on an every-other-night basis? Did the kid who is 25 and saw 16 Dead shows see them all in the summer of '95? Uh....that dont qualify IMHO.
Get a grip people. Bobby was there in the beginning. He was part of the culture that shaped the scene that so many are emulating/preserving today. He co-WROTE (i.e., the MUSIC part) Playin', Estimated, Sugar Mags, Truckin', Let It Grow (yes the whole suite), Throwin' Stones, Music Never Stopped, Jack Straw, and numerous other CLASSICS over the years. These tunes are absolutely synonymous with the Grateful Dead and an influence (whether realized or not) of every jam-band out there playing today.
Hey, I like Phil + Friends, Warren, Phish, WSP and all the rest just like everyone else (and was/am a huge Jerry fan). Just because Bobby doesn't measure up to what you think he should be now - dont deny him his due.
I for one, would love to see Bobby kick up the falsetto and give his cheesy hair flip just as lights go purple and the boys kick off into a phatty Estimated jam right about now...
No one is denying bobby his due or his righteous place in the movement. I am not a newcomer. I have been on the scene actively since 1971 but that is not the point. Why is that to say that phil and/or phils band is better then bobby and/or bobbys band is bobby bashing? Gee Whiz. I mean, somoeone won the oscar this year for best actor. So, if i mention that and that someone else got second, is that bashing the person who got second and denying everything about their acting ability? What is more ridiculous then this misinterpreted bobby bashing is this complete blind allegiance to anything that came out of or was associated with the dead without discernment. The fact is, the dead had some pretty bad years and some prettty bad shows. Anyone who thinks everything they did or played or anything that has come out of the scene is beyond judgement, is delusional. The fact is, there are many jam bands out there today. Some are better then others. Some of the musicians are better then others. So, if (and only IF) someone feels PLQ ia better then ratdog "today" and "if" they feel that phil is more musically talented then bobby "today" why is saying that bobby bashing and also dismissing everything else about him? This is sounding more like a fanatic religion then a group of intelligent free thinking people who can appreciate music (good and bad and its varying levels in between).
Thank god for bobby and the role he played all those years with the dead. I mean if it wasnt for him, we guys would not have had any cool looking chicks showing up to the shows. And thank god for phil and all his contribution to the dead over the years. Yes, and thank god that when jerry was sick and phil was sick on and off over the last few years of the dead that bobby stepped up to bat and kept the band going many many times.
However, personally, TODAY, I will pick todays PLQ (with warren) any nite over Ratdog or PLQ (with bobby). I listened to the tape of bonnaroo and yes, they sound much better then they did at jazzfest, but of course they do, they have been practicing together for over 3 weeks now! But it would be difficult for anyone who is being open honest and truly fair about the music that can say that the PLQ at bonnarro was better than many of the PLQ shows this past 2 years with warren, especially the most recent ones at the greek and the frost.
Love you all!
Shit, with a handle liek "BobFan" you must REALLY hate the guy.
Bobfan - I certainly wont argue that.
one more thing I forgot to add to my reviews, I could have sworn I heard Bobby say something to the effect of "hey Atlanta, how are you doing". Myself being a naitive Atlantan, I found this quite curious, can anyone else confirm this?
A little late but what the hell. It was great to see Bobby and Phil together, and their chemistry is still uncanny. Half the band was sporting grey beards - I guess we're all getting old 8-) Bobby was Bob, was great. He wailed on the vocals and kept the band honest with his rhythm jamming. BTW I saw Ratdog at Ziggy's in Winston Salem a few months back and they were off the hook. (love the Weather Report Suite while some asshole keeps hitting me in the back) Anyway I thought the Bonnaroo song selection was just great fun with some intense jamming mixed in. Jimmy's style is somehow more smooth than Warren's at times and in that way more Jerryesque. Did anyone see the sunrise Dead video in the Theatre? What a great way to start the day. Bonnaroo was excellent and I'd go back to Manchester any year. Can't wait to see everyone in NC this July!
is it just me or is there a huge victim tease during the jam out of 1K*s?
I think Rob really wants to play some of the classic Bob tunes. check out Raliegh I think huge main ten theme....and again during the break from sugar mag to sunshine daydream @ the beacon show with bob
Unfortunately, I didn't make it to Bonnarroo, but thanks to furthernet.com, I was able to dl the .shn file about 4 days after the big shindig.
I gotta say that this band sounds great. I'm not making any comparisons to pre-retirement, '77, or early nineties GD, or any other incarnation of surviving bandmembers. The H>S>F is real nice, as is the Crypical. And the NFA I'm listening to right now rocks. Also, IMO, 'No More Do I' is a keeper. Great tone, chilling lyrics.
On the whole, the band sounds really tight and focused - a distinct change from recent Phil-Bobby projects. Only hope they keep it up.
P.S. I caught a snippet of an advanced copy of the "Steppin' Out" CD today at the local record shop right in the middle of Lovelight. Pig at his best. Can't wait to get my hands on it...
'1K*'s' - that's cool!
Thing is, I'm a little tired of it now, as usually happens with "singles."
Current album favs: No More & Patchwork. Great studio cuts.
I must say all of this analytical insight into the show is quit humorus. Bonnaroo ROCKED. who cares who played what more and with what attitude. like we the fans actually know what is going on up there and in thier minds....
JUST ENJOY!!!! They are all killer musicians who are having a good time!!!!!
I thank them...
Keep it simple people music is for the soul......
Not the ego.....
i didnot go to bonaroo. However it seems to have been pulled of quite well.....funny thing is i heard more hatred towards that event here than anywhere else. I have not posted here in quite some time seeing as that i have been puter free for the last couple of months while doing the AP....the sucess of the roo shows things aren't as bad as everyone makes them out to be. i wish i coulda seen blind boys from alabama...anyways good to be back and hope everyone has been having asmuch fun as me this summer...i'm in PA right now slowly working my way back to NC...will post again soon.....Bonaroo death fest my ass.
Hey Now. Where to start... Be this a blessing or a curse i worked bonnaroo. And while it was a ton of work to keep ya'll happy it was well worth it as i got one of those lovely little pieces of plastic that made it possible to stand on the side of the stage to watch the boys!!!!! Having chased them around the country for the last 17 years let me tell ya, it did my heart so much good to see phil and bobby standing next to each other smiling almost uncontrollably back and forth at each other. The view out over the crowd was AWESOME and all of your positivity was definitly manifested up on that stage. Dont know how it sounded out front, but let me tell ya the sound coming off that stage was heavenly!! There was alot of music and magik being made that weekend by both the preformers and the fans. Now its time to gear up for alpine...Im never one to preach but please pass on the wishes of the band to all who'll listen. If ya aint got a ticked,PLEASE dont show up. Its my understanding that there are serious plans for keepin out those with out tix and it will serve to make things easier on those of us that took the time and effort to ensure we get to see this. Love and Light