7-9-02 Toronto, Canada

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Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Keith Meagher (Kikkoman) (64.229.179.31) on Tuesday, July 09, 2002 - 08:25 am: Edit Post

Seven Years, to the day, since the last Dead show. I hope it is a smoker. I am wondering if we are going to get two sets. The second leg of the tour has been all one set shows for Phil until the Gathering of the Vibes. I am trying to find out if two sets were played last night at Pittsburg, since Warren is not playing any sets with other bands (ABB Gov Mule etc.), or whether The Vibes was an flash in the pan. I need two sets!!!!!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Kevin Mallette (Kanadakev) (64.229.99.165) on Tuesday, July 09, 2002 - 09:13 am: Edit Post

Keith,

Have no fear. We will get 2 sets tonight in Toronto. There were 2 sets in P'Burgh last night as well.

Tonight should be a smoker. Phil won't forget the importance of July 9.

Look for me right in front of Phil, 4th row. I'll be having the time of my life (and wearing a goofy Canada top hat as well )

Cheers,

Kanada Kev =8)

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Section7/


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By ollie (Ollie_N_G) (216.58.96.66) on Tuesday, July 09, 2002 - 10:22 am: Edit Post

We're in row H, section 101, click my profile for picture... see you all there! I love having the band in CANADA!!

I'm calling a Viola Lee, Eyes of the World and maybe a Help > Slipknot! > Franklin's... could also be a Box of Rain for the anniversary and a Robbie Robertson song (Broken Arrow or Acadian Driftwood).


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Dr.J (M1d1j1) (12.232.204.247) on Tuesday, July 09, 2002 - 10:37 am: Edit Post

New Potato>Viola>Lovelight>
Alligator>Schoolgirl>Attics


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By LessThan (Lessthan) (162.33.155.189) on Tuesday, July 09, 2002 - 08:04 pm: Edit Post

partial from huck
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Shakedown.cold start
Into china cat
C cat first v into again&again
A&a stop box. Was it a full c cat?
Into keep on growing sorry youre missin it!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Keith Meagher (Kikkoman) (64.229.221.112) on Wednesday, July 10, 2002 - 06:52 am: Edit Post

`Lots of Jams. It was like the band could open it up at will. But I felt a general lack of direction once we got there. Once they fell into the songs they were tearing them up though, and with Phil around you know you can turn your faith over to the band and that it will all fall back into place. Anyway, interesting openning Jam which dropped into a solid Shakedown Openner and then after some jammin a good China Cat (I thought it was the full China Cat but the jam definately went into left field) and came down into Again and Again. Then Phil stepped up with a Box that was bringing me back to the old days... After a short break they broke into a definate highlight of the night a sweet Keep on Growin' which I had seen on some set list but had not really considerred. The first set closed with some killer jammin thet was suggesting all kinds of goodies for the second set and then the set closed wit a solid Night of 1000 Stars. Too many new songs but a solid set which left me stoked for high energy second set.
The second set openned with soome interesting jammin into a kind and unexpected Duprees with Warren belting it out into a Leave Me out of this which I personally stayed out of. However, the Jam got me standing up again and when it rolled over into "Mason's Children" I was the happiest guy in the world. I love the gritty guitar licks and the chunck that they were putting out. I had called for Passenger and Mason's Children and was happy to get one of them. Anyway, needless to say the Patchwork Quilt had me sitting down puffing away and then when they were setting up again and Al Shnier (MOE) came out and They broke into Help I thought about all the interesting things the band has been doing with this and was a litlle disapointed with the basic Slip Frank finish but what the hell, it was fun. The Liberty Encore capped off the show perfectly. Personally, I had that old Liberty feeling after the show. Interesting show, with great highlights but it was lacking a little in the continuity and direction. Also too many new songs. Anyway I had a great time though and will be back for more.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Frank Cal (Phrankcal2001) (151.138.254.21) on Wednesday, July 10, 2002 - 08:48 am: Edit Post

Does anyone know what time Phil has been going on? Or what time he went on last night?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Sampson (Delilah) (68.65.144.173) on Wednesday, July 10, 2002 - 09:22 am: Edit Post

7pm sharp in Pittsburgh


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Keith Meagher (Kikkoman) (64.229.221.112) on Wednesday, July 10, 2002 - 09:24 am: Edit Post

7PM in Toronto


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By doug edwards (Dougeds) (198.245.191.72) on Wednesday, July 10, 2002 - 09:58 am: Edit Post

i'm going to see him in NJ at PNC, with jorma and derek trucks. does anyone have an idea about what time they both go on and who's first?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Evan (Esegal) (207.8.215.6) on Wednesday, July 10, 2002 - 10:14 am: Edit Post

I think we can stop calling them "new songs" already. They have been playing these tunes since last spring's "here come sunshine tour". Anyway, the more you see them live, the more you appreciate them!!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By 024 (Deadicatedmamma) (24.216.41.194) on Wednesday, July 10, 2002 - 11:01 am: Edit Post

>>>I think we can stop calling them "new songs" already.

For those of us hearing these songs for the first time at a show, they ARE new songs. They aren't traditional tunes, & were just released on the "new" album.. Therefore, they are "new".

>>>Anyway, the more you see them live, the more you appreciate them!!

Very true.. It may be a good while before I see enough shows to appreciate some of them.

Keith, thanks for the review as I'm sure we won't get many from that show. I can fully relate to your show experience, sounds similar to the Mpls show.
I am surprised to see another Shakedown, China Cat, Again & Again,1000 Stars & Liberty.. Never been much of a fan of repeats.. Phil finally played Box, that's good. Keep on Growin, Dupree's, Mason's made up for it I bet. I'd guess that the band was pretty worn out from the Vibes.
:*)


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By ollie (Ollie_N_G) (216.58.96.66) on Wednesday, July 10, 2002 - 12:33 pm: Edit Post

Last night's show was really good but disappointing that it ended so soon - 10:30 pm!! Every other P&F show I've seen, the band plays right until curfew - 11:00 pm. They definitely could have thrown a song into the Slipknot! jam or done a double encore. Like I said, it was really good but just missing that something to push it over the top.

They made a cold start with Shakedown Street - the 3rd time in 7 shows I've seen it as an opener. This show had the same bookends as the last LA Greek show (Liberty encore). But I love this song so for me it's one of the best ways to open a show. After that the band jammed into China Cat Sunflower - which seemed short so maybe they did drop a verse. This was a fun song and perfect for the sun that was shining on us. Again and Again was next and the first of five "new" songs. I like the new album a lot so I don't mind when they pop up in the setlist. Admittedly, this show was the most "new song heavy" one I've seen. I watched Jimmy Herring really groove out during this song and make a lot of eye contact with Rob Barraco. When Box of Rain started I was fooled like every other time that it was going to be Celebration. I'm glad they gave a nod to the anniversary date and Phil really seemed to give it his all while belting out the last line. Keep on Growin' is fairly new to me and, lyrically at least, was a fitting follow up to Box. Night of 1000 Stars was a high energy set closer but it seemed at least one song too short.

The band came on for the second set and jumped into a good opening jam. If not this one, several of the jams were coloured with the usual teases and fortune telling, most prominently Terrapin Station which I'm thinking they'll get to in Mansfield on Saturday. Duprees Diamond Blues was a monster surprise and it was delivered in style. They did a full stop and got a nice reaction from the audience. Next up was Leave Me Out of This. I like the energy in this song and the meltdown jam in the middle is great. Herring's playing was a real treat to watch. Another jam and then a rockin' Mason's Children. This was a short version in that they didn't play a long jam in between verses and jammed it out at the end instead (I hope I'm remembering this correctly.). Then it was time for another homage to Jerry with Patchwork Quilt. This is probably my favourite new song so I was really happy to hear it. It peaked with the "Bright lights, dark star" line as the lights died down and they let the song fade for a brief moment. At this point I thought a start up of Darkstar, in the middle of Patchwork Quilt, would have been out of this world. Another cool thing going on during this song were the strong winds that were blowing throughout the amphitheatre. The song continued and the crowd gave the band another good response at the end. One of the guitar players from moe came out - 3 guitars - and I was trying to think of some heavy rockers they might pull out. Help on the Way was a nice surprise and well received. Slipknot! was cool and a little rest before the whole place started moving to Franklin's Tower. Again, I thought that with a special guest on stage they'd throw something into the Slipknot! jam but this was really well played and everyone on stage looked like they were having a great time. My girlfriend was convinced that she wouldn't get to hear Liberty after they'd played so many new songs. So for us anyway, this was the perfect encore and a rousing way to end the night.

After writing this it's pretty clear to me that this was a high energy rock-out! Summer show with a small dose of sentiment to anchor the sets. Length aside, I'm really glad I got to see Phil and Friends last night.


Ollie

P.S. Warren "sat in" with moe for most of their set, playing a hot slide solo on one song and then taking part in an excellent monster jam. This was my first exposure to moe so I have no idea what songs were played.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Cryptical (Cryptical) (63.197.61.4) on Wednesday, July 10, 2002 - 01:28 pm: Edit Post

Even though you didn't know the songs Ollie, what did you think of Moe.?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Huck Lewis (Huckberry) (207.61.230.165) on Wednesday, July 10, 2002 - 01:37 pm: Edit Post

ok....I left my notes at the hotel, but I will try quick.

The Molson Ampitheatre is Heaven. Screw Jones Beach....this place is on the water too....clean, yummy, like in a little Orlando Amusement park.

We went in for Moe (warren played like the last 3 songs with them)...sat in the wrong upfront seats (5th row, but thanks Dew for the ones we sat in later, eh? 10th row center. And you would have dug this show too....jams with purpose and gusto, but lots of SONGS...oooooh....masons...more later)

anyway....shakedown had no jam to start....just the killer BOOM open....good stuff. People dug it. Then the China Cat...now I was sure there was one verse there, but when they don't go back in I think I'm losing my mind so, whatever...disc will set me straight. I love a&a but this wasn't my fave version....too quick, and then the STOP. nah, like the ds>a&a>ds from the vibes mucho better. Box (for my girlfriend...she always hears this tune - NO CRACKS gutterbrains)...and as it went from that yummer into the RAGE K.O.G. and then seamlessly powering into 1000 stars...first set was concise. Treat of box and the kog, but I felt the best was comin'.

I was right. Someone get me this disc, pleaseplease...bc I felt this show WORKED. Phil took some time to expain the setlist to W and the band before they started, I knew sumtin was afoot. Great jam with many turns before the Duprees....JUMPER! Warren treated this with STYLE :). stop before the Leave Me Out...which is one of the best versions I have ever heard. The song keeps getting better imo....and the band seems to really rage on it...gustogusto....MASONS...my ass has now been appropriately kicked. GREAT stuff with jumpy dancey just move yr soul....I fricking love Masons. Remember when someone asked on the boards "if anyone "rocks out" to Mason's???" Man....listen to this stuff kiddo, you'll be convinced. Then a huge build up to the Quilt...like marching into the center of the set. (Tears tease oc before Warren launched in.) It was....well....special? Dynamic? Yes! and the Boo thinks it should be a single, so well, I guess it has power....and my call for the 7/9 tribute)

I just couldn't even deal with the HSF. No. 3 guitars? it was simply amazing. They had a great time with it...smiles all over the stage. When it was done...and man...I was beaming...my new seatmate buds and I were all WOWOWOWOWOWOWOW...Phil gave the moe dude a huge hug so he knew all was well. It was more than well, it was transcendent.

Liberty, fine. Again the Boo likes this...we do our WNBA dance... ooooooooh Liberty....
and the roadies tore UP to get out like there was a fire somewhere....onto the next show?

Loved the second set. Missed you all so very much, but it was good to feel like I was giving you bits with my text message phone LT...felt like you were almost there next to me....

without love in the dream, it ain't coming true kids....so let it shine and see you in the Greatest Woods....all youse all who are doing the TriState Trifecta....HAVE FUN
xohuck
(back to Toronto...it is cool here I LIKE IT...strong greenback...nice folks. Come with me next year?????? :))


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Huck Lewis (Huckberry) (207.61.230.165) on Wednesday, July 10, 2002 - 01:38 pm: Edit Post

Crypt...I like MOE!!!!!!!
bass player reminds me of you actually....


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Biff Blond (Buldar) (24.201.127.71) on Wednesday, July 10, 2002 - 06:42 pm: Edit Post

I have to say Keith hit the nail on the head. Just to add, I find it hard when the band does a dark star tease and drops into a "new tune", lil didheartening for this ol deadhead.The jams as Keith mentioned would all smoke at some point but then seem to just go way too far out, forcing the band to regroup instead of a seemless flow were used to. Does every tune need dueling guitars??? Bit much at times I found, yes we know you both rule. But most important and in the end, Phil looks great, high energy, happy, playing like a champ and that is always a sweet deal to see :-))


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By matt reingold (Mafyu) (24.42.247.246) on Wednesday, July 10, 2002 - 08:17 pm: Edit Post

what an awesome show...
really liked the jam before patchwork quilt (does it have an actual name)

moe was a cool surprise

anyone go to see soulive?
i thot they were awesome...
:-)


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By ollie (Ollie_N_G) (209.217.123.81) on Wednesday, July 10, 2002 - 08:53 pm: Edit Post

Hey Cryptical, I liked moe... I'd heard bits and pieces of them before but never really paid much attention to it so I was glad to have a live show as my first real exposure. They were pretty heavy and tight, anchored by the bass player's rhythmic playing. I liked the guy who seemed to be playing more rhythm guitar and sat in with P&F - I liked his reckless style. Having Warren sit in definitely helped keep my attention but I will seek out this show for sure.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By shag (Clifton_Hanger) (205.188.199.172) on Wednesday, July 10, 2002 - 10:29 pm: Edit Post

that would be Al, who actually plays quite a bit of lead guitar. he also plays keyboards from time to time, and is getting into electronic stuff, having released a solo album "al.one" a few months back.

moe. and Les in Wilmington tomorrow...? I'll be there.
(when was the last time you saw a show in Delaware?)


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Paul A (Muadib) (205.188.192.31) on Thursday, July 11, 2002 - 09:03 am: Edit Post

Canada show was good. Canada boarder sucked.
Sat for an hour and a half as they destroyed my carefully packed car only to have them tell me my two riders weren't welcome in there country. Already late for the show, I now have to drive back to the US, drop them off, and then go back through customs.
U.S. Customs rules!! They made fun of the canadans when we originally got turned back, and then didn't touch anything after the show. Laughed when we told them the canadians held us for over an hour. God Bless America.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Johnny Ray (Energy_Love) (209.205.177.234) on Thursday, July 11, 2002 - 10:41 am: Edit Post

>>>only to have them tell me my two riders weren't welcome in there country.

What reason did they give for not letting your 'riders' into 'their' country?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Cryptical (Cryptical) (63.197.61.4) on Thursday, July 11, 2002 - 10:48 am: Edit Post

Nowadays it can be as simple as having been previously arrested for DWI/OUI


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By ollie (Ollie_N_G) (209.217.123.86) on Thursday, July 11, 2002 - 11:10 am: Edit Post

That sucks Paul A. The only time I've been hassled at the boarder has been when coming back into Canada. Had our car searched. Didn't find a thing but still treated us like criminals. It really pissed me off to be "welcomed back" to my own country like that.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Cryptical (Cryptical) (63.197.61.4) on Thursday, July 11, 2002 - 11:25 am: Edit Post

Last time I went up there was to Ottawa through the Kingston entry point...


with a trunk full of lobsters and radar detectors for Team Canada.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By LessThan (Lessthan) (162.33.155.189) on Thursday, July 11, 2002 - 11:57 am: Edit Post

courtesy of HUCK LEWIS
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Jam-band revivals not all that sweet


By ALAN NIESTER
Special to The Globe and Mail

www.globeandmail.com




Thursday, July 11, 2002 Page R2


Phil Lesh & Friends

at The Molson Amphitheatre

in Toronto on Tuesday

'Whut's th' cheapest ticket?" asked the kid in the tie-dyed Jerry Garcia T-shirt, in an upstate New York drawl that probably originated just south of Batavia.

"Fourteen-fifty? Wow, that's like five bucks American, dude."

Yes, the jam bands were back in Toronto for their annual summer visit, usually a gilded invitation for an army of American Deadheads or Phish-heads to invade the city with the sole intention of standing on the hillside, or in the aisles somewhere, to dance the night away like an oak tree swaying in a stiff breeze.

And with a legitimate Grateful Dead veteran like bassist Phil Lesh on hand, this date could have been a sort of mini-Woodstock. That it decidedly wasn't (a knot of fans in front of the stage at the Molson Amphitheatre, a fair-sized crowd out on the lawn, and a great expanse of generally empty seats in between for a total of just 5,000) may suggest that this whole nineties jam-band revival thing is beginning to run out of steam.

Because short of a full-bore surviving-members Grateful Dead reunion (like the one being held in East Troy, Wis., in early August) an appearance by Lesh & Friends is about as good as it's going to get. Featuring ex-Allman Brothers guitarists Warren Haynes and Jimmy Herring, plus drummer John Molo (ex-Bruce Hornsby and The Range) and keyboards player Rob Barraco (Zen Tricksters) this outfit came close to being Jam Band Royalty.

And though the names may not have been Weir, Garcia, et al, the overall vibe spooled out by Lesh and company was decidedly Dead-ish. In fact, the quintet opened with a rollicking rendition of Shakedown Street, the title cut from The Dead's 1978 album. Fuelled by Barraco's rolling keyboards and Haynes's trippy high-end riffs, the number pretty much set the tone for the rest of the night.

Whether Lesh & Friends were dipping into the Dead songbook (as on Box of Rain or Unbroken Chain, both of which were penned by Lesh for the Dead) or debuting songs from the new There and Back Again album release (such as Again and Again), the results were similar. Most songs on the evening were spun into classic Grateful Dead-styled jams. And although the presence of Haynes and Herring did indeed give the overall sound a more Allman-esque feel, the interplay between the five members was classic sixties-style Dead, with the numbers ebbing and flowing, building, cresting and subsiding in ways that would have surprised even the players themselves. In fact, at times it seemed like the fivesome were so intent on pushing whatever musical boundaries they may have mentally set for themselves, that they seemed to forget they were playing for a live audience. There was little attempt at communication other than musical, and not much of a tendency to give the audience the truly familiar Grateful Dead material it craved.

Upstate New York's moe. preceded Lesh and company with a long set that offered, again, lots of lengthy and intricate jams. The primary difference between moe. and Lesh & Friends was that moe., while technically proficient, seemed to lack a sound that was truly its own. Sprinkling lots of easily identifiable influences into its set (most notably Santana in its guitar and rhythm work, as well as a touch of The Allmans) moe. created an hour's worth of aural wallpaper without really offering any discernible personality of its own.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Reddy Killowatt (Darkstar73) (24.49.200.154) on Thursday, July 11, 2002 - 01:59 pm: Edit Post

Ok...the scene kind of sucked...but the brew, the breeze and Phil rocked the 5,000 house. I throughly enjoyed this show from start to finish...

I was butt wasted...and dancing like a fool.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Paul A (Muadib) (64.12.96.232) on Thursday, July 11, 2002 - 08:31 pm: Edit Post

>What reason did they give for not letting your 'riders' into 'their' country?

The one had a dui so the canadian told him he didn't even have to mention his lsd charge to be kept out. He's never allowed back.
The other had a domestic dispute with a girlfriend. Cops were called. It was a joke. No charges were pressed. But now somewhere it says "assult" on his record. They told him not to come back for 10 years.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By greg (Gregschmegg) (68.38.19.135) on Thursday, July 11, 2002 - 10:50 pm: Edit Post

wow, thats really f-d up paul!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By James Burrows (Bwanad) (24.114.18.118) on Friday, July 12, 2002 - 08:15 pm: Edit Post

Paul, it sounds like you ran into some stunned Customs twit that decided to power trip on you. The guy I sold my extra ticket to was stopped at the border and searched. They found papers, stems and seeds and still let him in.

And the lunacy goes both ways.

I've been asked whether I've *ever* smoked dope by US Customs Officers. If I was stupid enough to answer yes, there is an immediate ban on entry. So they're knowingly asking the majority of people crossing to lie.

A bust for simple possession gets one a lifetime ban from entry in to the States whether the person has a pardon from the Canadian government or not.

It's fucking incredible really.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By matt reingold (Mafyu) (24.42.247.246) on Thursday, July 18, 2002 - 05:46 pm: Edit Post

anyone know if anyone taped that show?????

or where i can get it


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Andre Bouchard (Booche) (198.103.167.50) on Tuesday, August 20, 2002 - 09:25 am: Edit Post

Hmm, I have to add in here (its been a while since I have been online)

Being a Canadian, do you have ANY idea how hard it us for us to enter your country to go see our favorite bands?

I have been doing this for over 12 years, and I get stopped at customs over 75% of the time and get HASSLED. I hate border crossings. Coming home is soooooooooooo easy.

Paul, one NEVER carries over the border, especially 'riders' that will not gain entry. We learned that lesson the hard way in '95....

Our cars get ripped apart, dogs enter, we get searched, you name it, it has happened. I have even seen the rubber gloves used on my friends.

Border crossing is serious business, dont take it lightly, whether you are a Canadian entering the States or an American entering Canada.

Specially if you have a certain 'look'

Once I entered the professional world after school, things were much easier, but still not easy.