May as well get this one started. Less than 2 weeks away. Just saw PLQ at PNC and can't wait for another. First time at this venue, any input from a veteran of this place? We'll be in section 3, row h.

Forgot to mention in my previous post that this will be the 12th anniversary of Mydland's death. Hard to believe its been that long. May get a Just a Little Light or Tons of Steel to pay homage.

Bring on Dark Star 01 and St. Stephen!

maybe a Samba?

Bring BLUES FOR ALLAH Back Home!

Ahhh, Chris, you know how I feel about BFA!!!
NO!!!!!!!!!!!
LOL!!

first NC Viola...

that's all I ask...

nothing more...

pleeeaaaaase?

Dickey Betts and Phil...

it doesn't get any better. Is it gonna be one set or two?

My guess is 2 sets, especially with a 3:30 start time. Figure Dickey from 3:30 to 4:30 or 5, Ratdog from 5 or 5:30 to 7 and Phil 7:30 to 11:30? Is there a curfew at the venue?

2 sets, definitely 2 sets...

11 pm curfew

>Ahhh, Chris, you know how I feel about BFA!!!

Daydream, we can get you some pain medicine for that tooth. Now as far as Blues For Allah goes, its gonna be as dark and as painful as the Dark Star thats wrapped all around it.

Chris...why dontcha make me feel better! LOL!!!!
If anything is gonna be dark...let that be TOO!!
"...it rainbowed spiraled...."
ohhhh yeahhhhh!!!!!!!!!

PS - Midy...I'll take a viola anyday too!!!
see ya in a couple of dayz!

Just my 2 cents...The boys were hot last year in their one set. I really enjoyed Darien this year. Gotta be 2...love to see Bobby help out with a liitle Cosmic closer

....come on home your moma's callin' you.....

HEy all, The last time we were in Charlotte was 4/20. If PLQ even comes CLOSE to that showing we're in for a good night. I'm hoping for another Bobby sit-in set, and also for at least one Allman tune during Dicky's set with Warren ala Allman's 1996. Oh. . . .Be still my heart.
Does anyone know how the venue is about exiting and re-entering? My friend who is a Band teacher won't arrive until probably way into Rat Dog's set and I'll have his ticket. SHould I just leave it at Will Call? Thanks for any advice. This is our only show of the Summer. Man, I can't wait to see Bobby and Phil, and I can't wait to see all of you.
Peace and Love,
Dano

Yeah, the 420 show last year was amazing. There was a dark star and blues for allah then so I bet we don't get them again. I'll take whatever they decide to dish out!

they also played here 8/4. I'm prayin for a Star, or an O1...but beggars can't be choosers.

It will be like this:

Dark Star>Other 1>Space>Mtn Jam*>Viola Lee*>Hard to Handle*>Mtn Jam*>Jam>Other 1>Dark Star

*=with Dickey Betts
Bob Weir in for the whole jam.

Now THAT would make me a happy man!

Don't forget about "BLUES FOR ALLAH" PHIL, WE've been waiting!

Hillman, that works VERY well... but you gotta have the DS > Viola BIG FINISH!!!

What about a Phil 1st set Blue Sky with Dickey?

I'm all for that but I believe Dickey will play Blue Sky in his opening set. Wouldn't hurt me to hear it twice though!

HEY GUYS. KEEP AN EYE OPEN TONIGHT...I SAW THIS ON THE OTHERONES MESSAGE BOARD...

Help! My daughter Chelsey has been following bands from Ohio to New York, New Jersey, Maryland, etc. She was suppose to be home in Hampton, VA on Monday July 22, she was planing on attending the concert (Bob Weir) in Portsmouth, VA on Tuesday .

I wired money to here in PA on Sunday, but the money was never picked up, and noone has heard from her since Sunday. Chelsey was calling every couple of days to let me know she was OK. I don't think she ever reached Virginia.

Chelsey is 24 years old, very pretty (often mistaken for being an Indian), has long brown hair and brown eyes. Has been a faithful follower of Grateful Dead for years.

Please if anyone knows Chelsey or has seen her contact me ASAP. This is not like Chelsey at all, and I really fear something has happened to her.

I can be contacted by e-mail or by phone (757) 825-6399.
Thank you for replies so far. My daughter Heidi has also posted a bulliten on Ratdog message board. I am trying to find digital camera to take a picture of her photo. The next concert is set in Raliegh, NC tonite at Altel Pavillion, and then in Charlotte NC. please if anyone sees her contact ASAP. We do know that at previous shows she was selling grilled cheese sandwiches and beer for money. She drives a teal sunfire or sunbird with Virginia plates. Thank you all. Sandra and Heidi 757 8256399 or 757 870 8121

there is a picture of chelsea under the "other" folder in the middle of the topic or at www.ratdog.org try to take a look before you head out to the shows

How about a Maggies Farm with Jimmy and Molo each singing a verse?

I'll keep an eye out for Chelsey, by the way.

How about Good Lovin>Satisfaction>Good Times>Johnny B. Good>Good Golly>We Bid you Good Night.

Does anyone know what time Ratdog started? How about Phil? Sorry to ask again, just trying to get planned for tonight.
Thanks!

Wrong folder. Sorry.

Ratdog--

El Paso
Weather Report Suite
Looks Like Rain

Friend called this in but he was drinking so I'm not sure if this is the order

Drinking? At a show?

Set 1. Jam>Duprees-GDTRFB*>Mtn. Jam*>GDTRFB*(* w/Dicky Betts)-Jam>HCSS>Jam>King Solomon's Marbles-Lay of the Sunflower>Box of Rain

Per TaperRob and Zen

Set 2. Jam>Dear Mr. Fantasy>Again and Again>Jam>No More Do I>Jam>Lady With A Fan>Fast Jam>Melt Jam>Into the Mystic>Inspiration Jam>Terrapin>Sugaree Enc: 1000 Stars

Per Taper Rob

Thanks, Dewit and Taperrob!

ratdog: *w/dj logic
el paso(acoustic)
weather report suite part1&2>
*i need a miracle>
*mississippi half-step>
*even so>
*october queen>
*the wheel>
*drumz/bass>
*jam.....
standing on the moon....
*ashes & glass
*johnny b goode

phil
set 1: *w/dickey betts
jam(china cat sunflower jam)>
duprees diamond blues
*goin' down the road>
*mt jam> goin' down the road
here comes sunshine>
jam(china cat tease)>
king solomons marbles
lay of the sunflower
box of rain

set 2:
jam>
dear mr fantasy>
again & again>
jam>
no more do i>
lady with a fan>
jam>space>
into the mystic>
inspirtion jam/terrapin station>
sugaree

donor rap/intros
night of 1000 stars

I NEED A COPY OF THE RATDOG With PHIL and DICKY BETTS. IM Ready B&P. Someone RESPOND. Thanks

Phil and Dickey Betts did not play WITH Ratdog

heh....

How about a review of Dickey Betts with the Boys at Charlotte? Dickey is the classic and I wanna know if he still rips like he did with the Allmans......? Side note: They shoulda never got rid of him!!

Dickey opened up with High Falls and his one hour set was way too short. I had heard his band shortly after he left the ABB and they were mediocre but this band was extremely hot! I wish that they had gotten the longer opening set as opposed to Ratdog.

High Falls
With You in My Arms?
Blue Sky
Come On In My Kitchen
Back Where It All Begins
Liz Reed
No One To Run With

The highlight of Ratdog's set was easily Weather Report Suite -- I didn't really dig the turntables for most of the set. It was well-played and enjoyable for the most part but just not to my taste.

This P&F show easily made me forget the Deer Creek debacle. The first set was incredible with a chunky China Cat jam to open things up -- Dupree's came out of nowhere. GDTRFB with Dickey was tasty and clocked in at about fifteen minutes. The jam in the middle had a "Mountain Jam" tease (about the equivalent of what the ABB does in Jessica) but also had "Les Brers" teases as well. It was a treat to see Dickey and Warren share the stage again.

Here Comes Sunshine was real sweet and the King Solomon's Marbles was out of this world -- those two songs were very intense and well-jammed. Sunflower and Box were just icing. Expectations for the second set were high after this well-played first set.

Second set began with an intense high-energy jam that had hints of Viola before erupting into Dear Mr. Fantasy -- however to me, this was the peak of the show. Fantasy rolled into Again and Again which has not developed much thus far -- this went into Milestones (extremely short -- maybe two minutes) before settling into No More Do I.

There are two tunes I have seen at most of the P&F shows I've gone to -- Terrapin is one of them. While I love the tune, I find Phil's vocals on Lady w/A Fan to be a bit painful. Lady with A Fan developed into a jam with Jimmy and Warren doing their speed Cumberland intro -- Warren broke a string and switched guitars so Cumberland may have been a possibility if that hadn't been the case. The jam mellowed "Into the Mystic" before picking up steam for the Terrapin reprise. The other tune I have seen way often is "Sugaree". This was well-played and highlighted by some fiery Warren slide work at the coda.

The 1000 Stars encore was by the book. This show had the potential to be one of the greats but lost steam early in the second set. While it may sound like I'm complaining, I did enjoy myself and thought it was a great day of music.

I agree completly. The second set was great, but expectations were so high after the fantastic 1st set and the Dear Mr. Fantasy opener, it would have been hard to meet them.

I was just a little disappointed about no Bobby appearance in the Phil set. A lot of us were sure that he would come out and play Not Fade Away with Phil, becasue Ratdog teased it repeatedly.

Wow, the Terrapin Sandwich didn't get to you all, I heard via telephone, and I am still bowled over.

Zen, where is my eye candy?

Things I liked about this show:
Meeting up w/ so many zoners.
Trading shows in the lot and scoring a sweet Warren solo show from some random guy cruising the lot, looking to trade.
Parking 2 rows from Midy and drinking all his beer and smoking all his cigs..thanks again.
Spending quality time w/ the Fun Girls.
The entire Phil show..from the major china cat tease/ jam to the nice sight of dickey trading licks w/ his brothers, to the massive power and beauty of
Lady w/ a fan>into the mystic>Terrapin
Lay of the sunflower is a beautiful tune as well.
And realizing that I, IMHO,made the right choice between Alpine and Red rocks

Things I did not like about this show..
Too many dogs
Folks begging for tickets and being overly aggressive when you turn them down.
Off to the lot for tonight’s show..
looks like all Zoners in Sec 103..

Who has a private Leer...this is just going to break my little heart not being there with Zen and the Too Much Fun Girls...

At home for just a few minutes before heading to Atlanta. I thought the whole show was great. Warren was much more involved than in Raleigh where he seemed to lay back a lot (though both shows had great set lists). The 2nd set had some intense high energy jams. Ratdog performed better overall than in Raleigh, too (IMHO).

> Parking 2 rows from Midy and drinking all his beer and smoking all his cigs..thanks again.


dude I tried to give you all my cookies too ;^) thanks for the Warren disk brother... thanks also to DSADHED and Hillman for the shows... great seein' TaperRob, Huck, Daydream and Beth and meetin' Schnee and the Rev Bud E. Greene (king of the Marilyn Manson quote ;^)

funniest moment in Charlotte:

four zoners randomly converging outside during Ratdog ;^)

Dear Mr. Fantasy was a full on monster! great call for Brent's B'day.

here's lookin' to Red Rocks...

i wish i could put it all together. i just had the best time in my life ever. i love my family so much. these times will go down in history.. tis good to be a phil-camper. you zone folks are the coolest in the world!!! peace

Well, let me lay this little bit of info out there for anyone that might find it as odd as I did. I had one of those all time great days that ended in the lot with me getting tapped on the shoulder and sucker-punched. I mean I figure this was the complete yang to all the yin throughout to keep things even. I got 19th row center at the last minute, got into vip parking for 5 bucks, had Phil throw a King Solomon's at me, that has to be one of my fav tunes, guys sit in front of me and procede to share armpit with me and my three friends(wouldn't even let me use mine), Into the Mystic that brought serious tears to my eyes, leave the show get a cool Zappa shirt from a beautiful girl that walks around with me after the show for a while(where are you)and 20 feet from my car have a last interaction with a fella and while getting that sorted get tapped on the shoulder, turn around and bam. Whoever did it just ran off into the crowd and everyone hasn't seen a thing. I can't see for the life of me how someone could walk out of that show and want to hit someone. If they wished to settle some kind of score, they failed to, because I have no idea who hit me(and I was not tripping or...)so I would have no idea of what had been settled and I highly doubt I did anything that needed that kind of settling. Sorry to ramble on and put this kind of negative message here, but don't get me wrong the show and the day was absolutely beautiful, just thought maybe I should throw this out there, so maybe to be careful I guess. PEACE

Davey that sucks man. I hope whoever the asshole was who hit you gets what he deserves man. I myself had a great time. The Terrapin Station opened my eyes. Phil gives every ounce of emotion he can to the crowd. and what else can be said about Dear Mr. Fantasy? And Dickey fuckin Betts amazed me. I'll never forget this day.

Over all a very jammy, floaty show. It was a sort of mellow jam though.

The Lady W/Fan was very mellow, slow. Into The Mystic was great, the Terrapin Repirse was VERY fast and bouncy and took many people by surprise after such a low-key second set up to that point.

A lot of the newer songs. I heard people complaining about that. I really like "Lay of the Sunflower" and "1000 Stars", but that one need to be stretched out a bit.

The first set was crazy in that it sounded as if they could have busted into any one of several songs... Of course the China Jam (twice), and I heard "Les Brers" as well. I also heard some NFA and Casey Jones at some points.

Damn, Davey that's awful.

Getting sucker punched at a Phil show? Insane.

It was great to meet all you carolinians there in Charlotte and I parked 4 rows back and I DID eat some of those cookies th0 they didnt do anything but then again my blood is pure t.h.c so ya know.......Mightyswell nice to meet ya and another thank you for Zen for the ticket. Huck and Schnee it was great to be able to hang with yall during the show inspite of that pimply faced geek who robbed us...Made it most of the way home b4 motel 6 in greenville reeled me in.....Oh yeah nice to meet Drew and nice to see Daydream whom I hope makes it make home some day LOL


As for the Marilyn Manson quote I quoted Cake and Sodomy to this lot rat who would not let me in the door with my ticket and refused to go to the window and buy a ticket. I think that we should all get together and report people with their fingers up to security so that they can be removed from the lot. The problem is say Joe Shmoe concert goer sees these people with their fingers in the air and assume that the show is sold out and leave. These people need to go!!!!


Davey Mac-I have this sneeky suspicion that sucker punch was meant to me because I am "a lawyer or a doctor" and didnt want to support a trashy family evening and he thought you were me because you were smiling and his life sucks. I didnt see those people in Atlanta but i was sure looking.....

overthehillman nice to meet you too ,sorry i missed ya in the last post.

We didn't make it in for Dickey's set, but we could hear most of the songs clearly from the lot. Distinctly recall the Blue Sky, Come On In My Kitchen and Back Where it All Began. Sounded pretty good from outside.

Ratdog: Always nice to get an El Paso opener. Just Rob, Bob and Mark to begin. Bobby teased Cassidy and Bird Song before launching into WRS. Had the crowd moving for the "Winter grey ..." portion before heading into Let It Grow. With a shortened set they didn't have a great opportunity to stretch this one out. Next up a strong Miracle with Bobby deferring to the crowd for some of the lyrics. By this time a good sized crowd had begun to fill the amphitheater. A short Wang Dang coda before abruptly moving into 1/2 Step. Perfect for the Southern area. Bobby completely spaced the second verse and while frantically searching for the words the crowd sang for him. Karan got a kick out of this and Bobby didn't seem to be as upset at forgetting the words as he often does. Even So>Oct. Queen>Deep End slowed things down a bit - a nice rest b/c it was hot inside the shed. A nice Wheel followed before Rob and Logic did their thing. SOTM was well received and capably performed. Although off new album, most of the crowd new the words to Ashes and Glass and was one of the highlights of the set. A condensed, rocking Johnny B. Goode closed out the set. One of the better 1 set Dog shows I've seen. Very workmanlike b/c of the 1 1/2 hour time frame, tasty song selection nonetheless.

PLQ: Still very hot when Phil emerged and that heat translated into a strong 1st set. China Cat Jam evolved into a chunky Duprees. PLQ gave this a longer rendition than I had anticipated. Great way to open the set and definite crowd pleaser. Dickey joined the boyz for a GDTRFB>Mt. Jam>GDTRFB. Same selection Dickey performed with PLQ on 12/1/01 at the Beacon for the encore sans the WBYGN riffs. The Beacon version had a more lengthy and distinct Mt. Jam as well but this Goin Down was better. Dickey's verse was also discernible this time around (despite a little feedback from the microphone). Dickey took the 1st solo followed by Warren and finally Jimmy. Jimmy had the veterans beat on this one too. Absolute highlight of the 1st set. More china cat teases before Here Comes Sunshine, which Jimmy had hinted at in the China Cat Jam. Solid version and appropriate for the hot weather. Then came King Solomon's. Really like this complicated tune - wish they would mix it up a little more. No new ground here and no different than the one I saw in Hartford last summer. I'll never complain about seeing this one, but it offers a lot of opportunity to go different directions and wish they would take that opportunity. Lay of the Sunflower next - never seen this one before and it was a sweet Warren song ala Beautifully Broken. Slowed the pace down before the set closing Box of Rain. No doubt in memory of Brent who left us 12 yrs ago to the day. Haven't seen this one in a while and its always a crowd favorite. After that hot set, big expectations for what was to come.

Second Set: Jam that found its way to Fantasy. I thought a bluesy Smokestack would have been more appropriate for the opener here. The Jam and Fantasy reflected the problems with this set and why it was disappointing IMO (with the exception of Lady>Mystic>Terrapin). With PLQ, jams are often hit or miss. This tour most of the jams I have seen have been solid, focused themes. The jams tonight lacked direction or seemed to be simple rehashing of things these guys have done before. The Fantasy simply lacked the sustained momentum that would plague this set. A straightforward version and not quite up to par with what they are capable of doing or have done in the past. Phil nodded to Jimmy and Again & Again followed. 1st time seeing this one live and it was OK. Whether it was the heat or the end of the tour, the guys seemed tired. No More Do I followed and it didn't have the same energy of Camden's a week before. Finally, the meat of the set came in Lady with a Fan>Into the Mystic>Terrapin. Strongest jamming of the set sprinkled between these three and they were definitely firing on all cylinders again. Must admit that I cringe everytime I hear Phil bellow out Terrapin. Anyone who tells you that they see PLQ for Phil's voice is lying, even with his vocal improvement over the last couple of years. The jam leading into Mystic had Warren fired up and he led the band through a solid cover of this Van Morrison tune. Nice surprise at how well they did this one. Terrapin proper followed with the timing that Phil uses. I like the speeded up version and it makes the vocals bearable. A decent Sugaree followed but again lacked the enthusiasm that it usually gets from these guys. Warren threw in a couple nice solos but it just didn't have the consistency that it usually does. Encore was 1000 Stars and it too was not up to snuff with how it is usually performed. Show ended early at 10:45. This was a rare example of PLQ show where the 1st set topped the 2nd set, and that fact alone is very telling given the way the 2nd sets have been performed this tour. Also broke the Friday Viola mold that had emerged after PNC and Hershey. Of the three I saw this summer (PNC, Camden and Charlotte) the 1st set rivaled Camden, but the 2nd was the weakest of the three. Nice way to end my PLQ summer tour - only wish the second set could have kept the continuity of the 1st.

It was a pleasure to meet all y'all in Charlotte (Midy, Dsadhead, Zen, Rev Greene, Schnee, TaperRob, & all you others whose names escape me). Hopefully next time there's a show in the area we can all hook up again & REALLY party!

I've got this one on disc if anybody would like a copy. Realize not many people will check this so late, but I wanted to offer it and get in a quick grovel for the Raleigh too. peace.