8-4-02 East Troy, WI

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Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Dewit (Dewit) (68.38.47.60) on Saturday, August 03, 2002 - 03:42 pm: Edit Post

Doin' That Rag
The Real Thing>
Cumberland Intro>
Cumberland Blues
Mason's Children v.1>
Dark Star Tease>
Mason's v.2>
Again and Again>
Strawberry Fields>
Unbroken Chain>
No More Do I>
Lovelight

Thanks Taperrob, Headlight, Dossman


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Huck Lewis (Huckberry) (162.83.190.45) on Saturday, August 03, 2002 - 05:48 pm: Edit Post

um.....Kreskin clairvoyant head....
scratch that....rewind....
and did they play Roadrunner???
heh heh heh


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Annie (Antoinette) (24.185.137.141) on Saturday, August 03, 2002 - 09:01 pm: Edit Post

>>>>>>>WOW<<<<<<<
First 2 songs had me rocking and walking the walk!Queen yeahhhhh
If that's the first 2 real Other One songs {because of long break}....... We lost the song bet.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Annie (Antoinette) (24.185.137.141) on Sunday, August 04, 2002 - 12:27 pm: Edit Post

OOOPs way wrong post!!!!!!!!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By on the bus offspring (Lennonb) (205.188.209.169) on Sunday, August 04, 2002 - 09:11 pm: Edit Post

Cassidy...What a promising opener! Sounds real good, in the middle of the jam now.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Philbeara (Philbeara) (4.64.207.151) on Sunday, August 04, 2002 - 09:17 pm: Edit Post

Nice transition.... BROWN EYED WOMEN!!!!!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By BassGreat (Leshphilling) (24.58.22.153) on Sunday, August 04, 2002 - 09:17 pm: Edit Post

Very nice Cassidy opener, good solid jamming . . nice segue right into Brown eyed Women . . . SWEET


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By guy smiley (Headlight73) (208.33.155.252) on Sunday, August 04, 2002 - 09:17 pm: Edit Post

brown eyed women


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Philbeara (Philbeara) (4.64.207.151) on Sunday, August 04, 2002 - 09:19 pm: Edit Post

Gone are the days? Doesn't sound like it to me. Jimmy is burnin' it up!!!!!!!!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By wally (Jackstraw71) (24.197.99.147) on Sunday, August 04, 2002 - 09:23 pm: Edit Post

BT wind....mellow.....Bobby


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Philbeara (Philbeara) (4.64.207.151) on Sunday, August 04, 2002 - 09:23 pm: Edit Post

God, what I would do to be there right now.

Black-Throated Wind!

Anyone hear a big Warm Rat tease in the jam between Cassidy and BEW?

Bob's in fine voice.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Philbeara (Philbeara) (4.64.207.151) on Sunday, August 04, 2002 - 09:25 pm: Edit Post

Also known as Warf Rat.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Gary T (Gary) (64.12.96.232) on Sunday, August 04, 2002 - 09:25 pm: Edit Post

Eyes of The World
Weather Report Suite
Box of Rain
Mr. Charlie
Playin in The Ban
Uncle John's Band
Lost Sailor Saint

Scarlet
Fire
Cosmic Charlie
St. Stephen
The Eleven
Drums/Space/Jam
Terrapin Station
He's Gone (Ratdog was just tricking us)
Sugar Magnolia
Lovelight
Not Fade Away

Encore:
Ripple
Peggy - O
Brokedown Palace


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By BassGreat (Leshphilling) (24.58.22.153) on Sunday, August 04, 2002 - 09:26 pm: Edit Post

sounds flawless up to this point, very VERY nice!!!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By j maguigad (Djangorox) (63.49.114.83) on Sunday, August 04, 2002 - 09:30 pm: Edit Post

mellow my ass


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Philbeara (Philbeara) (4.64.207.151) on Sunday, August 04, 2002 - 09:31 pm: Edit Post

They do sound tight!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By BassGreat (Leshphilling) (24.58.22.153) on Sunday, August 04, 2002 - 09:32 pm: Edit Post

EYES ... YEAHHH BABY


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Jonathan Schatten (Jschatts) (64.12.96.232) on Sunday, August 04, 2002 - 09:33 pm: Edit Post

Hello Wisconsin!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By on the bus offspring (Lennonb) (205.188.209.169) on Sunday, August 04, 2002 - 09:34 pm: Edit Post

Wow! What a segue from Black Throated Wind > Jam > Eyes of the World! They sound awsome. I'm comparing this to The Dead 95 and before, not PLQ. Not a fair comparison, especially in the Dead's last years 92 to 95. They sound so much more fresh than anything I heard from 1989 to 1995.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By on the bus offspring (Lennonb) (205.188.209.169) on Sunday, August 04, 2002 - 09:36 pm: Edit Post

Phil sounds great! Not as dramatic and drawn out vocally as with PLQ. Very tight and with the music.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By on the bus offspring (Lennonb) (205.188.209.169) on Sunday, August 04, 2002 - 09:37 pm: Edit Post

Jimmy and Bobby sound really tight! Totally playing off each other.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Philbeara (Philbeara) (4.64.207.151) on Sunday, August 04, 2002 - 09:41 pm: Edit Post

What could be better than having these guys playing together again? I mean, why not? The time is now, the place is an ampitheatre near you. Keep it rollin'!

Saint...


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By BassGreat (Leshphilling) (24.58.22.153) on Sunday, August 04, 2002 - 09:41 pm: Edit Post

gary t, here comes your sailor=>saint . . .


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By BassGreat (Leshphilling) (24.58.22.153) on Sunday, August 04, 2002 - 09:43 pm: Edit Post

oops, i mean saint


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By on the bus offspring (Lennonb) (205.188.209.169) on Sunday, August 04, 2002 - 09:46 pm: Edit Post

This must be Heaven...

Saint! Bobby is back!

This is why Bobby was so beloved. How quickly some of us have forgotten and forsaken.

Go Bobby!!!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Philbeara (Philbeara) (4.64.207.151) on Sunday, August 04, 2002 - 09:47 pm: Edit Post

Style-wise, this is reminding me of 90-91 Dead... when Vince and Hornsby were sharing the keyboard duties.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Philbeara (Philbeara) (4.64.207.151) on Sunday, August 04, 2002 - 09:51 pm: Edit Post

Mountains of the Moon


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By albert humbaba (Ahumbaba) (24.154.104.117) on Sunday, August 04, 2002 - 09:51 pm: Edit Post

set one:
Cassidy>
B.E.Women (rob)
BTW>
Eyes (phil)
Saint of Cheese
Mts of the Moon


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Philbeara (Philbeara) (4.64.207.151) on Sunday, August 04, 2002 - 09:54 pm: Edit Post

Man, that is just beautiful.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By on the bus offspring (Lennonb) (205.188.209.169) on Sunday, August 04, 2002 - 09:58 pm: Edit Post

Phil is in great voice!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Jonathan Schatten (Jschatts) (64.12.96.232) on Sunday, August 04, 2002 - 09:59 pm: Edit Post

wow what a transition to Fire!!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Philbeara (Philbeara) (4.64.207.151) on Sunday, August 04, 2002 - 09:59 pm: Edit Post

Fire, no Scarlet. Interesting tempo shifts off the top.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By j maguigad (Djangorox) (63.49.114.83) on Sunday, August 04, 2002 - 10:00 pm: Edit Post

FIRE!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Colt (Colt) (68.9.53.81) on Sunday, August 04, 2002 - 10:00 pm: Edit Post

fire on the mountain. so the question is: will they be doing the 7/4 time a la PLQ?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By guy smiley (Headlight73) (208.33.155.252) on Sunday, August 04, 2002 - 10:01 pm: Edit Post

i love technology.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Philbeara (Philbeara) (4.64.207.151) on Sunday, August 04, 2002 - 10:01 pm: Edit Post

This is why you never saw "Let Mickey Sing" signs.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Tommy Danscuk (Robntomd) (67.82.119.228) on Sunday, August 04, 2002 - 10:02 pm: Edit Post

Doh, Mickey again!!!!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By iannai (Mule) (66.19.97.142) on Sunday, August 04, 2002 - 10:02 pm: Edit Post

um..yeah, err...ok, dammit Mickey!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By on the bus offspring (Lennonb) (205.188.209.169) on Sunday, August 04, 2002 - 10:02 pm: Edit Post

This is Dead all the way. Mickey on vocals on Fire on the Mountain! How fitting is that?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Colt (Colt) (68.9.53.81) on Sunday, August 04, 2002 - 10:02 pm: Edit Post

oops


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Whisper Stargazer (Miss43) (24.164.95.221) on Sunday, August 04, 2002 - 10:03 pm: Edit Post

WOW! What a TRIP! Can't cha just Feel the ENERGY! Whoo Hoo!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Tommy Danscuk (Robntomd) (67.82.119.228) on Sunday, August 04, 2002 - 10:03 pm: Edit Post

Let Mickey Drum!!!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By on the bus offspring (Lennonb) (205.188.209.169) on Sunday, August 04, 2002 - 10:04 pm: Edit Post

Yea, Mickey isn't known for his vocals, but this is his song so it's fitting.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By on the bus offspring (Lennonb) (205.188.209.169) on Sunday, August 04, 2002 - 10:05 pm: Edit Post

How about the Jerry FOTM effects coming from Jimmy's guitar!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Colt (Colt) (68.9.53.81) on Sunday, August 04, 2002 - 10:05 pm: Edit Post

no 7/4 time


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By paco (Number5) (67.81.39.234) on Sunday, August 04, 2002 - 10:06 pm: Edit Post

>>> This is why you never saw "Let Mickey Sing" signs.


... ouch. time for "Don't Let Mickey Sing" signs...he sounds like me


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Philbeara (Philbeara) (4.64.207.151) on Sunday, August 04, 2002 - 10:06 pm: Edit Post

Is he making up lyrics?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By dougsdad (Dougsdad) (64.12.96.232) on Sunday, August 04, 2002 - 10:06 pm: Edit Post

thatsahelluvabigfire...especially when mickey stops barkin


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Dirk C. Deegan (Dirkstar) (151.201.145.18) on Sunday, August 04, 2002 - 10:07 pm: Edit Post

I can't this damn thing to connect. I downloaded realone and keep getting a "File not found error' and from the link on the TOO webcast site.
Help!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By on the bus offspring (Lennonb) (205.188.209.169) on Sunday, August 04, 2002 - 10:07 pm: Edit Post

Yea, he's ad libbing like a Mutherfucker!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Colt (Colt) (68.9.53.81) on Sunday, August 04, 2002 - 10:08 pm: Edit Post

does mickey sing this poorly at his solo shows? does he sing at all, or is is mostly drums?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Whisper Stargazer (Miss43) (24.164.95.221) on Sunday, August 04, 2002 - 10:08 pm: Edit Post

Dirk-Try sugarmegs.com.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Tommy Danscuk (Robntomd) (67.82.119.228) on Sunday, August 04, 2002 - 10:09 pm: Edit Post

No, these are the original Hunter lyrics. I remember a old demo version of Mickey rapping this way before the advent of rap, probably recorded in 73-74, I remember having it as filler on a tape in the late 70s


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By on the bus offspring (Lennonb) (205.188.209.169) on Sunday, August 04, 2002 - 10:09 pm: Edit Post

Type in the web address for the Dead.net Terrapin webscast page in the address window on realone and hit the go button. That should work.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Philbeara (Philbeara) (4.64.207.151) on Sunday, August 04, 2002 - 10:10 pm: Edit Post

RealOne is working nicely for me on a DSL fueled Mac.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By act3 (Act3) (66.168.209.101) on Sunday, August 04, 2002 - 10:10 pm: Edit Post

Dirk - I had trouble at the TOO site then went to the link at the Philzone site and had no problem.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Tommy Danscuk (Robntomd) (67.82.119.228) on Sunday, August 04, 2002 - 10:11 pm: Edit Post

Try changing the date on the url, after gdead/gdead/020803 to 020804


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By on the bus offspring (Lennonb) (205.188.209.169) on Sunday, August 04, 2002 - 10:11 pm: Edit Post

Jack Straw!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Philbeara (Philbeara) (4.64.207.151) on Sunday, August 04, 2002 - 10:13 pm: Edit Post

Phil just brings Jack Straw to life! He's boomin'!!!!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By dougsdad (Dougsdad) (64.12.96.232) on Sunday, August 04, 2002 - 10:15 pm: Edit Post

jackstraw...how unifying...gratefuldead americana...this is actually better @ home...you gotta give bobby his props...he's still the entertainer...phil standin back there guiding this new ensemble...keepin mutherfuckers in line & crankin heavy basslines...f**k alpine, my bathroom is ten feet away


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By aaron k. (Rukind21) (12.251.80.61) on Sunday, August 04, 2002 - 10:15 pm: Edit Post

looks like there'll be time for a nice jam after jack straw to close out a stellar first set. a
surprising first set at that.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By on the bus offspring (Lennonb) (205.188.209.169) on Sunday, August 04, 2002 - 10:16 pm: Edit Post

Jimmy is ripping it up! Not bad for someone who never listened to The Dead until right before joing PLQ.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By BassGreat (Leshphilling) (24.58.22.153) on Sunday, August 04, 2002 - 10:17 pm: Edit Post

8.4.2002 First Set
Other Ones, Alpine Valley

Cassidy=>
Brown Eyed Women=>
Black Throated Wind=>
Eyes=>
Saint
Mtns of the Moon=>Jam=>
Fire
Jack Straw


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By albert humbaba (Ahumbaba) (24.154.104.117) on Sunday, August 04, 2002 - 10:17 pm: Edit Post

set one:
Cassidy>
B.E.Women (rob)
BTW>
Eyes (phil)
Saint of Cheese
Mts of the Moon>
Fire (Mickey)
Jack Straw


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By aaron k. (Rukind21) (12.251.80.61) on Sunday, August 04, 2002 - 10:17 pm: Edit Post

or not :)


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Dirk C. Deegan (Dirkstar) (151.201.145.18) on Sunday, August 04, 2002 - 10:17 pm: Edit Post

Thanks for the info guys. I heard about 10 seconds of jamming before the last part of jack straw. Sounds awesome!!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Pinman (Pinman) (206.124.131.228) on Sunday, August 04, 2002 - 10:18 pm: Edit Post

copy & paste the url from the terrapin webcast page into realone and it's fine.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Pinman (Pinman) (206.124.131.228) on Sunday, August 04, 2002 - 10:21 pm: Edit Post

Here we are all alone using software that almost spells real alone but it connects us together like Timothy Leary hoped it would...

There's an ATM machine company in Seattle called SamsarATM... any buddhists out there who get the joke?

Crazy times man :)


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By zenjeffrey (Zenjeffrey) (68.67.231.194) on Sunday, August 04, 2002 - 10:22 pm: Edit Post

...keepin mutherfuckers in line & crankin heavy basslines...

ok that was worth a good old belly chuckle laugh. Phil's got the bit in his mouth and there's no slowin' him down!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By stankmonky (Monkystank) (172.156.182.48) on Sunday, August 04, 2002 - 10:25 pm: Edit Post

mickey never had the nerve to sing before because jerry would've kicked his ass. but jerry dies and all hell breaks loose. will someone please restore some order to my world.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Whisper Stargazer (Miss43) (24.164.95.221) on Sunday, August 04, 2002 - 10:26 pm: Edit Post

SamsarATM-really? I get it. Samsara, reality: what's real after all? This is an otherworldly experience.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By stankmonky (Monkystank) (172.156.182.48) on Sunday, August 04, 2002 - 10:27 pm: Edit Post

is it me or does tonights webcast sound like a bad audience tape---really noisy. man that was a tired-sounding first set. what's next kruetzman singing high time.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By iannai (Mule) (66.19.97.142) on Sunday, August 04, 2002 - 10:33 pm: Edit Post

Sorry if this was posted already...

Here's what Hunter thought about last night:


" The Grateful Dead was truly, undeniably, present in the Other Ones'
show, the highs, the lows, the tedium and the
triumph, the tenacity of group mind that makes the show an
intellectually as well as emotionally challenging
experience; the risk taking, the safe spots, the venturing out and
returning. The establishment of motifs which re-emerge
now and again as stabilizing points in a referendum of familiar
strangeness -teases of tunes that never materialize,
segues new and old - "China Cat" into "I know you Rider" - Born
Crosseyed in the middle of Dark Star! - I wish I was
a headlight on a Northbound train. Yes. Maybe so." Robert Hunter


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By hippies dance and babies cry (Bdub) (66.92.86.217) on Sunday, August 04, 2002 - 10:37 pm: Edit Post

Stankmonkey.... you're not a Canucks fan are ya? Your handle seems familiar.

Just tuned in @ Strawberry fields.. Where are they, set 2?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By hippies dance and babies cry (Bdub) (66.92.86.217) on Sunday, August 04, 2002 - 10:38 pm: Edit Post

Unbroken Chain.. I love this tune.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Colt (Colt) (68.9.53.81) on Sunday, August 04, 2002 - 10:39 pm: Edit Post

this is the rest of the phil set from yesterday


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By hippies dance and babies cry (Bdub) (66.92.86.217) on Sunday, August 04, 2002 - 10:43 pm: Edit Post

just filler during the intermission?

i was wondering what was going on, thanks Colt :D


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By aaron k. (Rukind21) (12.251.80.61) on Sunday, August 04, 2002 - 10:45 pm: Edit Post

anyone have a hunter setlist from tonight?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Dewit (Dewit) (152.163.206.194) on Sunday, August 04, 2002 - 10:45 pm: Edit Post

Jam>
Cassidy>
Brown Eyed Women
Black Throated Wind>
Eyes of the World>
Saint of Circumstance>
Mountains of the Moon>
Fire On the Mountain>
Jack Straw

Thanks Taperrob


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By stankmonky (Monkystank) (172.156.182.48) on Sunday, August 04, 2002 - 10:48 pm: Edit Post

man, this "philler" from plq yesterday is better than anything i've heard live tonight. interesting.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By on the bus offspring (Lennonb) (64.12.96.232) on Sunday, August 04, 2002 - 10:50 pm: Edit Post

Think we'll get an Althea? Or a Standing on the Moon?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By on the bus offspring (Lennonb) (64.12.96.232) on Sunday, August 04, 2002 - 10:51 pm: Edit Post

How many people here have actually seen The Dead before Jerry died?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Sebastian Petsu (Sebastian) (4.35.71.115) on Sunday, August 04, 2002 - 10:52 pm: Edit Post

i thought, wow, the Other Ones sound great. then i realized it was the PLQ from yesterday. You can't beat Phil!!!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Whisper Stargazer (Miss43) (24.164.95.221) on Sunday, August 04, 2002 - 10:52 pm: Edit Post

Gotta be a Shakedown for my friend Martimus!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By dougsdad (Dougsdad) (64.12.96.232) on Sunday, August 04, 2002 - 10:52 pm: Edit Post

and they're off...and here comes pride in the backstretch...sorry, i got ahead of myself


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By jds (Jds) (24.243.1.14) on Sunday, August 04, 2002 - 10:53 pm: Edit Post

I did; a lot


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Philbeara (Philbeara) (4.64.207.151) on Sunday, August 04, 2002 - 10:53 pm: Edit Post

Enjoyin' the ride! Viva Other Ones!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Sebastian Petsu (Sebastian) (4.35.71.115) on Sunday, August 04, 2002 - 10:53 pm: Edit Post

i saw the Dead first 9/20/93 at msg


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By on the bus offspring (Lennonb) (64.12.96.232) on Sunday, August 04, 2002 - 10:56 pm: Edit Post

This is Grateful Dead not Phil. Phil is a completely different animal. The vibe is totally different. What I like about The Dead that PLQ doesn't have are the ballads. The up's and downs of a Dead show. PLQ is hardcore from start to finish. The Dead had fast points and slow points. Hard to explain. Get it?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By stankmonky (Monkystank) (172.156.182.48) on Sunday, August 04, 2002 - 10:56 pm: Edit Post

i saw the jacksons before michael became a white girl. does that count


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Sean S. (Buzzassassin) (24.74.37.109) on Sunday, August 04, 2002 - 10:56 pm: Edit Post

I saw the boys with Jerry many times. This is great to hear though - how 'bout a Lady With A Fan opener?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By on the bus offspring (Lennonb) (64.12.96.232) on Sunday, August 04, 2002 - 10:56 pm: Edit Post

That explains the Cassidy opener. It's her birthday.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Colt (Colt) (68.9.53.81) on Sunday, August 04, 2002 - 10:56 pm: Edit Post

they're back!!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Paco33 (Paco33) (24.58.188.209) on Sunday, August 04, 2002 - 10:57 pm: Edit Post

First show: 6/18/76
2d Show: 5/8/77


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Tommy Danscuk (Robntomd) (67.82.119.228) on Sunday, August 04, 2002 - 10:57 pm: Edit Post

Playin in the Band


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Sean S. (Buzzassassin) (24.74.37.109) on Sunday, August 04, 2002 - 10:57 pm: Edit Post

Playin!!!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Colt (Colt) (68.9.53.81) on Sunday, August 04, 2002 - 10:58 pm: Edit Post

c'mon guys....give us some MEAT


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Sebastian Petsu (Sebastian) (4.35.71.115) on Sunday, August 04, 2002 - 10:58 pm: Edit Post

i call Playin


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By on the bus offspring (Lennonb) (64.12.96.232) on Sunday, August 04, 2002 - 10:59 pm: Edit Post

I saw the Dead once when I was 1 year old in 1970, then about 50 times between 1987 and 1995.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By jds (Jds) (24.243.1.14) on Sunday, August 04, 2002 - 10:59 pm: Edit Post

First show 7.04.81


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Whisper Stargazer (Miss43) (24.164.95.221) on Sunday, August 04, 2002 - 10:59 pm: Edit Post

Yeah! I got on the bus in 89. Different vibes for sure, but I think that Phil is carrying the torch. "There's nothing like a Grateful Dead show!" Truer words never spoken. What are we getting here?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Sebastian Petsu (Sebastian) (4.35.71.115) on Sunday, August 04, 2002 - 11:00 pm: Edit Post

is this a jam or a tuning?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By on the bus offspring (Lennonb) (64.12.96.232) on Sunday, August 04, 2002 - 11:00 pm: Edit Post

Here we go...


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By guy smiley (Headlight73) (208.33.155.252) on Sunday, August 04, 2002 - 11:01 pm: Edit Post

how about a setbreak story?

the week after jerry died i returned to my local college town to resume studying. i came back a few weeks early and decided to attend a local municipal free concert with a zydeco band headlining. an older, greying woman across the venue caught my eye for some reason. we made eye contact and she headed directly towards me. she came right up to me and said "nice day for a show", which it surely was. she said "enjoy" and extended her hand to shake mine. as we shook hands i noticed something funny about her grip. i looked down to notice her middle finger missing. simultaneously, the zydeco band broke into aiko.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By dougsdad (Dougsdad) (64.12.96.232) on Sunday, August 04, 2002 - 11:01 pm: Edit Post

phil&jimmy&warren are relentless...your right, this is goodol'gratefuldead...i need those down tunes to catch my breath...these bones have done a fair share of shakin over the years...but you never saw phil doin mountains of the moon with jerry around...hotshit


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By on the bus offspring (Lennonb) (64.12.96.232) on Sunday, August 04, 2002 - 11:01 pm: Edit Post

Sounds like someone has their midi effects going. Bobby? Phil? Mickey?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Tommy Danscuk (Robntomd) (67.82.119.228) on Sunday, August 04, 2002 - 11:02 pm: Edit Post

1st show - 5.10.78
last - 6.30.95
w/ 290 in between


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By hippies dance and babies cry (Bdub) (66.92.86.217) on Sunday, August 04, 2002 - 11:02 pm: Edit Post

Yep, stankmonkey its definitely you.. from fanhome.

small world.

so are we back live now?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By on the bus offspring (Lennonb) (64.12.96.232) on Sunday, August 04, 2002 - 11:03 pm: Edit Post

Right on Dougsdad. You understand what I'm sayin'


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By chapman (Brewer) (65.80.143.223) on Sunday, August 04, 2002 - 11:03 pm: Edit Post

'89 Charlotte NC 2nd and last California Earthquake.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Sean S. (Buzzassassin) (24.74.37.109) on Sunday, August 04, 2002 - 11:03 pm: Edit Post

that sounds a lot like Airto (sp?) sitting in with the drummers...


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Sebastian Petsu (Sebastian) (4.35.71.115) on Sunday, August 04, 2002 - 11:03 pm: Edit Post

space?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Philbeara (Philbeara) (4.64.207.151) on Sunday, August 04, 2002 - 11:04 pm: Edit Post

S...P...A...C...E...Y...


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By on the bus offspring (Lennonb) (64.12.96.232) on Sunday, August 04, 2002 - 11:04 pm: Edit Post

This is some trippy shit happening right now...and yeas we are back live.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Whisper Stargazer (Miss43) (24.164.95.221) on Sunday, August 04, 2002 - 11:04 pm: Edit Post

Brewer- We had the same 1st show!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By dougsdad (Dougsdad) (64.12.96.232) on Sunday, August 04, 2002 - 11:04 pm: Edit Post

alright, get the space shit overwith already...i don't miss this...does anybody really look forward to "S P A C E "...wastin my time


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Sean S. (Buzzassassin) (24.74.37.109) on Sunday, August 04, 2002 - 11:06 pm: Edit Post

Drums to start the 2nd set!

btw my first show was 9/2/88 Cap Center - the Ripple the next night was my 2nd show!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By mtnjammer (Mtnjammer) (216.166.149.51) on Sunday, August 04, 2002 - 11:06 pm: Edit Post

how was the first set, i missed it.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Sebastian Petsu (Sebastian) (4.35.71.115) on Sunday, August 04, 2002 - 11:06 pm: Edit Post

Space>Drums....


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Philbeara (Philbeara) (4.64.207.151) on Sunday, August 04, 2002 - 11:06 pm: Edit Post

D...R...U...M...S


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By chapman (Brewer) (65.80.143.223) on Sunday, August 04, 2002 - 11:06 pm: Edit Post

nice....


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By on the bus offspring (Lennonb) (64.12.96.232) on Sunday, August 04, 2002 - 11:07 pm: Edit Post

Mickey is having some fun. Very strange to start the 2nd set with Space...if that's what this is. It certainly isn't your typical pre-song set opening jam.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By chapman (Brewer) (65.80.143.223) on Sunday, August 04, 2002 - 11:08 pm: Edit Post

i was immediatley hooked.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Sebastian Petsu (Sebastian) (4.35.71.115) on Sunday, August 04, 2002 - 11:08 pm: Edit Post

i call drums into NFA or th wheel


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By on the bus offspring (Lennonb) (64.12.96.232) on Sunday, August 04, 2002 - 11:08 pm: Edit Post

This is the difference between Molo behind the kit and Billy and Mickey behind the kit. This is Dead all the way! Very primal!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By dougsdad (Dougsdad) (64.12.96.232) on Sunday, August 04, 2002 - 11:09 pm: Edit Post

ya know...thats the original 4 reminding you who's onstage & "don't think you know whats next cause we'll fuck with your head" thing goin on...i miss that shit


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Sebastian Petsu (Sebastian) (4.35.71.115) on Sunday, August 04, 2002 - 11:10 pm: Edit Post

more Space


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Philbeara (Philbeara) (4.64.207.151) on Sunday, August 04, 2002 - 11:11 pm: Edit Post

Space>Drums>Space>Playin' to open the second set.

Are you kidding me?

That deserves a Marv Albert,"Yesssssss!"


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Sean S. (Buzzassassin) (24.74.37.109) on Sunday, August 04, 2002 - 11:11 pm: Edit Post

there it is...


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By guy smiley (Headlight73) (208.33.155.252) on Sunday, August 04, 2002 - 11:11 pm: Edit Post

im callin playin


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By on the bus offspring (Lennonb) (64.12.96.232) on Sunday, August 04, 2002 - 11:11 pm: Edit Post

Playin'!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Pinman (Pinman) (206.124.131.228) on Sunday, August 04, 2002 - 11:12 pm: Edit Post

Nice- open with drums & a jam...:)

KyoteMoon- how's yer reality ?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Sebastian Petsu (Sebastian) (4.35.71.115) on Sunday, August 04, 2002 - 11:12 pm: Edit Post

nice transition into Playin


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By chapman (Brewer) (65.80.143.223) on Sunday, August 04, 2002 - 11:13 pm: Edit Post

tommy/sean/sebastin....you guys r good....


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Whisper Stargazer (Miss43) (24.164.95.221) on Sunday, August 04, 2002 - 11:13 pm: Edit Post

Wacked!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Philbeara (Philbeara) (4.64.207.151) on Sunday, August 04, 2002 - 11:13 pm: Edit Post

Did you sound quality just change?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Sean S. (Buzzassassin) (24.74.37.109) on Sunday, August 04, 2002 - 11:13 pm: Edit Post

sounds pretty damn good from here boyz....


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By on the bus offspring (Lennonb) (64.12.96.232) on Sunday, August 04, 2002 - 11:14 pm: Edit Post

VERY interesting segue into Playin'...definately a space>drums>space>playin'. Unreal!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By jds (Jds) (24.243.1.14) on Sunday, August 04, 2002 - 11:14 pm: Edit Post

it sounds less compressed


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By paco (Number5) (67.81.39.234) on Sunday, August 04, 2002 - 11:15 pm: Edit Post

...playin' into ujb?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Sebastian Petsu (Sebastian) (4.35.71.115) on Sunday, August 04, 2002 - 11:15 pm: Edit Post

did i hear donna singing back up? or did i imagine that?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Sean S. (Buzzassassin) (24.74.37.109) on Sunday, August 04, 2002 - 11:17 pm: Edit Post

We'll see paco - LOTS of possibilities from here...Terrapin, UJB, Wheel, or something totally off the wall. Nice phatty Playin' though - and you get the feeling they may just jam this one all the way out...


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By on the bus offspring (Lennonb) (64.12.96.232) on Sunday, August 04, 2002 - 11:18 pm: Edit Post

Shreddin'!!!!!!!!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By dougsdad (Dougsdad) (64.12.96.232) on Sunday, August 04, 2002 - 11:18 pm: Edit Post

sound is suckin in queens, nyc for about 15 minutes now...


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By BassGreat (Leshphilling) (24.58.22.153) on Sunday, August 04, 2002 - 11:19 pm: Edit Post

sweet f***in playin jam ... high energy!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By on the bus offspring (Lennonb) (64.12.96.232) on Sunday, August 04, 2002 - 11:19 pm: Edit Post

This is exactly what I was hoping for. This sounds nothing like PLQ and everything like GD!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By hippies dance and babies cry (Bdub) (66.92.86.217) on Sunday, August 04, 2002 - 11:20 pm: Edit Post

Jimmy sounds great. Its been fun watching this guy evolve over the past few years. Seems like a genuinely nice guy too. Man he can really rip it up.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By jeff (Jellyroll) (67.24.57.221) on Sunday, August 04, 2002 - 11:20 pm: Edit Post

just the kind of jams i've been waiting for in play'n, f---ckn sick!!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By on the bus offspring (Lennonb) (64.12.96.232) on Sunday, August 04, 2002 - 11:20 pm: Edit Post

The boys better come out West on this fall tour!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Jonathan Schatten (Jschatts) (152.163.189.169) on Sunday, August 04, 2002 - 11:21 pm: Edit Post

if you reload the page the sound gets better


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By dougsdad (Dougsdad) (64.12.96.232) on Sunday, August 04, 2002 - 11:22 pm: Edit Post

jimmy's more like jerry...warren's more like warren


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By chapman (Brewer) (65.80.143.223) on Sunday, August 04, 2002 - 11:22 pm: Edit Post

smooth it out


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Philbeara (Philbeara) (4.64.200.176) on Sunday, August 04, 2002 - 11:23 pm: Edit Post

As much as I've grooved to the PLQ this is another animal entirely.

There is nothing like a GratefulDeadOtherOnes concert!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Sebastian Petsu (Sebastian) (4.35.71.115) on Sunday, August 04, 2002 - 11:23 pm: Edit Post

Shakedown? next


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Colt (Colt) (68.9.53.81) on Sunday, August 04, 2002 - 11:24 pm: Edit Post

fucking bobby


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Philbeara (Philbeara) (4.64.200.176) on Sunday, August 04, 2002 - 11:24 pm: Edit Post

Bathroom break.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Sebastian Petsu (Sebastian) (4.35.71.115) on Sunday, August 04, 2002 - 11:24 pm: Edit Post

what's bobby saying?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By dougsdad (Dougsdad) (64.12.96.232) on Sunday, August 04, 2002 - 11:25 pm: Edit Post

banyan tree...this truly is the other ones...a little help here jerry


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Colt (Colt) (68.9.53.81) on Sunday, August 04, 2002 - 11:25 pm: Edit Post

they couldn't give us 5 more minutes of the playin jam


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Sebastian Petsu (Sebastian) (4.35.71.115) on Sunday, August 04, 2002 - 11:25 pm: Edit Post

is this Bayan Tree?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Colt (Colt) (68.9.53.81) on Sunday, August 04, 2002 - 11:26 pm: Edit Post

sounds like bobby's singing over a low spark jam


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By aaron k. (Rukind21) (12.251.80.61) on Sunday, August 04, 2002 - 11:26 pm: Edit Post

banyan tree...this is effin' nuts.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Sebastian Petsu (Sebastian) (4.35.71.115) on Sunday, August 04, 2002 - 11:26 pm: Edit Post

not bad. i guess you just have to check your expectations at the door and groove. reminds me of Camden '98


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By on the bus offspring (Lennonb) (64.12.96.232) on Sunday, August 04, 2002 - 11:27 pm: Edit Post

Bunion Tree


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By mtnjammer (Mtnjammer) (216.166.149.51) on Sunday, August 04, 2002 - 11:27 pm: Edit Post

what is this crap Weir is torturing us with?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By jeff (Jellyroll) (67.24.57.221) on Sunday, August 04, 2002 - 11:27 pm: Edit Post

Banyan Tree Uggh!! right up there with Baba Jingo


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By hippies dance and babies cry (Bdub) (66.92.86.217) on Sunday, August 04, 2002 - 11:27 pm: Edit Post

>>> By dougsdad (Dougsdad)Sunday, August 04, 2002 - 08:22 pm

jimmy's more like jerry...warren's more like warren

<<<

Good call there. I do miss Warren though. His vocals on Jerry tunes would be nice.

What's the word on Warren? Seems like every time Bobby shows up, Warren vanishes.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By dougsdad (Dougsdad) (64.12.96.232) on Sunday, August 04, 2002 - 11:27 pm: Edit Post

fuckin effin nutz....HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By on the bus offspring (Lennonb) (64.12.96.232) on Sunday, August 04, 2002 - 11:28 pm: Edit Post

I bet this goes back into Playin'


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Whisper Stargazer (Miss43) (24.164.95.221) on Sunday, August 04, 2002 - 11:29 pm: Edit Post

Feels like another direction is taking shape....


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By on the bus offspring (Lennonb) (64.12.96.232) on Sunday, August 04, 2002 - 11:30 pm: Edit Post

Warren would make this too PLQ sounding.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By chapman (Brewer) (65.80.143.223) on Sunday, August 04, 2002 - 11:30 pm: Edit Post

shakedown's comin'....


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Sebastian Petsu (Sebastian) (4.35.71.115) on Sunday, August 04, 2002 - 11:30 pm: Edit Post

i'm still saying Shakedown


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By on the bus offspring (Lennonb) (64.12.96.232) on Sunday, August 04, 2002 - 11:31 pm: Edit Post

Told ya!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Sebastian Petsu (Sebastian) (4.35.71.115) on Sunday, August 04, 2002 - 11:31 pm: Edit Post

or maybe France>What's Become of the Baby


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By on the bus offspring (Lennonb) (64.12.96.232) on Sunday, August 04, 2002 - 11:32 pm: Edit Post

Did you hear the Playin' tease?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Paco33 (Paco33) (24.58.188.209) on Sunday, August 04, 2002 - 11:32 pm: Edit Post

C'mon folks. Face facts - it hasn't been the same since Pigpen died.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By aaron k. (Rukind21) (12.251.80.61) on Sunday, August 04, 2002 - 11:33 pm: Edit Post

i feel a shakedown too!
i thought i heard a tease earlier.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Whisper Stargazer (Miss43) (24.164.95.221) on Sunday, August 04, 2002 - 11:33 pm: Edit Post

Wheel!?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By on the bus offspring (Lennonb) (64.12.96.232) on Sunday, August 04, 2002 - 11:34 pm: Edit Post

WOW!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Sebastian Petsu (Sebastian) (4.35.71.115) on Sunday, August 04, 2002 - 11:34 pm: Edit Post

Wheel


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By dougsdad (Dougsdad) (64.12.96.232) on Sunday, August 04, 2002 - 11:34 pm: Edit Post

i wouldn't be surprised if warren knew jimmy would be a better fit in this version of TOO...thers no room up there for a cocksure axman with southern rock tendencies and a profound love of jerry...wha'd hesay.........the wheel


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By jeff (Jellyroll) (67.24.57.221) on Sunday, August 04, 2002 - 11:35 pm: Edit Post

phil boom'n wheel, yeahh!!!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By on the bus offspring (Lennonb) (64.12.96.232) on Sunday, August 04, 2002 - 11:35 pm: Edit Post

Crazy segway!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By hippies dance and babies cry (Bdub) (66.92.86.217) on Sunday, August 04, 2002 - 11:35 pm: Edit Post

a little but further than they've gone before ;)


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By dougsdad (Dougsdad) (64.12.96.232) on Sunday, August 04, 2002 - 11:35 pm: Edit Post

if the drummers dontgetcha...the bass man will....


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By j maguigad (Djangorox) (63.49.114.83) on Sunday, August 04, 2002 - 11:35 pm: Edit Post

>>>as we shook hands i noticed something funny about her grip. i looked down to notice her middle finger missing. simultaneously, the zydeco band broke into aiko.

hey guy smiley...same thing happened to me at the crossroads! crack my shit!!!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Pinman (Pinman) (206.124.131.228) on Sunday, August 04, 2002 - 11:36 pm: Edit Post

Jerry's playing is sounding great tonight!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Philbeara (Philbeara) (4.64.200.176) on Sunday, August 04, 2002 - 11:37 pm: Edit Post

Here's where I miss Jerry's voice... and guitar, of course.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By chapman (Brewer) (65.80.143.223) on Sunday, August 04, 2002 - 11:38 pm: Edit Post

pound us phil


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By dougsdad (Dougsdad) (64.12.96.232) on Sunday, August 04, 2002 - 11:38 pm: Edit Post

there is some funny shit on here tooooonight


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Philbeara (Philbeara) (4.64.200.176) on Sunday, August 04, 2002 - 11:39 pm: Edit Post

Still Playin' In The Band....


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Pinman (Pinman) (206.124.131.228) on Sunday, August 04, 2002 - 11:39 pm: Edit Post

Howlin' at the moon-

Coyote of 35,000 souls


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Philbeara (Philbeara) (4.64.200.176) on Sunday, August 04, 2002 - 11:40 pm: Edit Post

Next stop, Terrapin!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Sebastian Petsu (Sebastian) (4.35.71.115) on Sunday, August 04, 2002 - 11:41 pm: Edit Post

sorta like 2/26/77 but not really


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Whisper Stargazer (Miss43) (24.164.95.221) on Sunday, August 04, 2002 - 11:41 pm: Edit Post

LOL! Playin again!
space>
drumz>
space>
playin>
jam>
bayan tree>
wheel>
playin'


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By hippies dance and babies cry (Bdub) (66.92.86.217) on Sunday, August 04, 2002 - 11:41 pm: Edit Post

Playin?!....Jamming!!!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Pinman (Pinman) (206.124.131.228) on Sunday, August 04, 2002 - 11:41 pm: Edit Post

another direction is always taking shape...

I'm an asparagus.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By chapman (Brewer) (65.80.143.223) on Sunday, August 04, 2002 - 11:42 pm: Edit Post

here's shakedown


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Jonathan Schatten (Jschatts) (152.163.189.169) on Sunday, August 04, 2002 - 11:42 pm: Edit Post

jimmy is on fire in the playing reprise!!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By on the bus offspring (Lennonb) (64.12.96.232) on Sunday, August 04, 2002 - 11:42 pm: Edit Post

Now what?!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Philbeara (Philbeara) (4.64.200.176) on Sunday, August 04, 2002 - 11:43 pm: Edit Post

Goodnight, Wisconsin!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Sebastian Petsu (Sebastian) (4.35.71.115) on Sunday, August 04, 2002 - 11:43 pm: Edit Post

wsa taping allowed tonight?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Sean S. (Buzzassassin) (24.74.37.109) on Sunday, August 04, 2002 - 11:44 pm: Edit Post

ST STEPHEN!!!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Tommy Danscuk (Robntomd) (67.82.119.228) on Sunday, August 04, 2002 - 11:44 pm: Edit Post

st stephen


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Paco33 (Paco33) (24.58.188.209) on Sunday, August 04, 2002 - 11:44 pm: Edit Post

St. Stephen


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Whisper Stargazer (Miss43) (24.164.95.221) on Sunday, August 04, 2002 - 11:44 pm: Edit Post

Seb- Well, sure.
St Stephen!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Philbeara (Philbeara) (4.64.200.176) on Sunday, August 04, 2002 - 11:44 pm: Edit Post

Well, of course!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Sebastian Petsu (Sebastian) (4.35.71.115) on Sunday, August 04, 2002 - 11:44 pm: Edit Post

shakedown c'mon


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Pinman (Pinman) (206.124.131.228) on Sunday, August 04, 2002 - 11:44 pm: Edit Post

Now I'm 2 fuzzy apricots...

Who are you?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By on the bus offspring (Lennonb) (64.12.96.232) on Sunday, August 04, 2002 - 11:45 pm: Edit Post

St. Stephen!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By j maguigad (Djangorox) (63.49.114.83) on Sunday, August 04, 2002 - 11:45 pm: Edit Post

into the garden they go...


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Colt (Colt) (68.9.53.81) on Sunday, August 04, 2002 - 11:45 pm: Edit Post

glad I just went outside and got high :)


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By chapman (Brewer) (65.80.143.223) on Sunday, August 04, 2002 - 11:45 pm: Edit Post

...or maybe st stephen....


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By aaron k. (Rukind21) (12.251.80.61) on Sunday, August 04, 2002 - 11:45 pm: Edit Post

i will gather what ever they spill tonight. the
boys seem to be on fire, imho.
sounds like a st. stephen that i used to know.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By jds (Jds) (24.243.1.14) on Sunday, August 04, 2002 - 11:45 pm: Edit Post

1 blue agave


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Sean S. (Buzzassassin) (24.74.37.109) on Sunday, August 04, 2002 - 11:45 pm: Edit Post

come on now, no complaining about getting the St Stephen...


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Sebastian Petsu (Sebastian) (4.35.71.115) on Sunday, August 04, 2002 - 11:46 pm: Edit Post

i just heard weird rumors that there'd be no taping so hey could sell a DVD of the nights


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By on the bus offspring (Lennonb) (64.12.96.232) on Sunday, August 04, 2002 - 11:46 pm: Edit Post

I'm a cluster of grapes!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Philbeara (Philbeara) (4.64.200.176) on Sunday, August 04, 2002 - 11:46 pm: Edit Post

Now this is really sorta like 2/26/77 but not really.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Sean S. (Buzzassassin) (24.74.37.109) on Sunday, August 04, 2002 - 11:47 pm: Edit Post

yeah those are some weird - and clearly bogus - rumors

meanwhile, what a ripping job Jimmy is doing!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By dougsdad (Dougsdad) (64.12.96.232) on Sunday, August 04, 2002 - 11:47 pm: Edit Post

honeydew melon AND BIGTIME HELPING OF HERRING, creamed, no onion.......YOU NEVER, NEVER ,NEVER HEARD SHIT LIKE THAT FROM GARCIA, sorry dude...


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Whisper Stargazer (Miss43) (24.164.95.221) on Sunday, August 04, 2002 - 11:48 pm: Edit Post

Funny how it reminds you of what it is, huh? the same, only different! :)


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Sebastian Petsu (Sebastian) (4.35.71.115) on Sunday, August 04, 2002 - 11:48 pm: Edit Post

no complaining. i think we're not all hearing the same thing at the same time. when i asked for Shakedown they hadn't started St. Stephen yet. you'll hear no complaints from me about St. Stephen


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By j maguigad (Djangorox) (63.49.114.83) on Sunday, August 04, 2002 - 11:48 pm: Edit Post

i better pack a bowl before the jam...


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By jds (Jds) (24.243.1.14) on Sunday, August 04, 2002 - 11:48 pm: Edit Post

playin->wheel->playin other than that it's nothin like 2/26/77 :)


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Philbeara (Philbeara) (4.64.200.176) on Sunday, August 04, 2002 - 11:48 pm: Edit Post

Would they have to call that DVD "Really Downhill From Here"?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Pinman (Pinman) (206.124.131.228) on Sunday, August 04, 2002 - 11:49 pm: Edit Post

or 6/23/1743 in the Dutch countryside when I was another self...


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By on the bus offspring (Lennonb) (64.12.96.232) on Sunday, August 04, 2002 - 11:49 pm: Edit Post

Darkness shrigs and bids the day goodbye..


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Sebastian Petsu (Sebastian) (4.35.71.115) on Sunday, August 04, 2002 - 11:50 pm: Edit Post

aw good old Phil wiht his mouth full of oatmeal....


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By jds (Jds) (24.243.1.14) on Sunday, August 04, 2002 - 11:50 pm: Edit Post

nothin like a good shrig


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By chapman (Brewer) (65.80.143.223) on Sunday, August 04, 2002 - 11:50 pm: Edit Post

shreddin...


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By BassGreat (Love2groove) (24.58.22.153) on Sunday, August 04, 2002 - 11:51 pm: Edit Post

this is a real blessing, I'm listening to this in the middle of a real intense thunder & lightning storm, my screen has actually flickered several times, yet I havent lost my connection {{{fingers crossed}}} God bless the technology!!!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By on the bus offspring (Lennonb) (64.12.96.232) on Sunday, August 04, 2002 - 11:51 pm: Edit Post

Phil's voice really sounds great. Likes he's trying to sing somewhat like Jerry.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Sean S. (Buzzassassin) (24.74.37.109) on Sunday, August 04, 2002 - 11:51 pm: Edit Post

starting to hear the NFA beat perhaps in the jam...will it come after?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Pinman (Pinman) (206.124.131.228) on Sunday, August 04, 2002 - 11:51 pm: Edit Post

or "downwind from there..."


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Philbeara (Philbeara) (4.64.200.176) on Sunday, August 04, 2002 - 11:52 pm: Edit Post

NICE!!!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By on the bus offspring (Lennonb) (64.12.96.232) on Sunday, August 04, 2002 - 11:52 pm: Edit Post

Shrugs sorry. Too much kind...


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Sean S. (Buzzassassin) (24.74.37.109) on Sunday, August 04, 2002 - 11:53 pm: Edit Post

a NFA>GDTRFB>NFA>Sugar Mags perhaps...(let me dream a little here)


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Jeremy Grant (Alrokerisfat) (24.54.174.214) on Sunday, August 04, 2002 - 11:53 pm: Edit Post

terrapin encoure!!!!


WHO CARES ABOUT ANYTHING THIS IS GREAT STOP WITH THE COMPARISONS

THIS IS TOO AND THEY SOUND A DAMN LOT LIKE TOO

and are unique


UH OHHHH St. STeven GREAT SET Wheel>playin st steven

THIS IS AWSOME!!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Philbeara (Philbeara) (4.64.200.176) on Sunday, August 04, 2002 - 11:53 pm: Edit Post

Another hour to go, folks. Hang on!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Pinman (Pinman) (206.124.131.228) on Sunday, August 04, 2002 - 11:53 pm: Edit Post

consciousness in the pinky-toe-tip


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By on the bus offspring (Lennonb) (64.12.96.232) on Sunday, August 04, 2002 - 11:54 pm: Edit Post

The Eleven?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Philbeara (Philbeara) (4.64.200.176) on Sunday, August 04, 2002 - 11:55 pm: Edit Post

Bruce Hornsby can kiss my lilly white ass.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Sean S. (Buzzassassin) (24.74.37.109) on Sunday, August 04, 2002 - 11:55 pm: Edit Post

eleven!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By on the bus offspring (Lennonb) (64.12.96.232) on Sunday, August 04, 2002 - 11:55 pm: Edit Post

yep!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By chapman (Brewer) (65.80.143.223) on Sunday, August 04, 2002 - 11:55 pm: Edit Post

is it too early to call for a slow sad one? stella or black peter comes to mind....


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Tommy Danscuk (Robntomd) (67.82.119.228) on Sunday, August 04, 2002 - 11:55 pm: Edit Post

eleven


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By dougsdad (Dougsdad) (64.12.96.232) on Sunday, August 04, 2002 - 11:56 pm: Edit Post

what about a quick shrig, for old times sake


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Jeremy Grant (Alrokerisfat) (24.54.174.214) on Sunday, August 04, 2002 - 11:56 pm: Edit Post

this set is a GEM!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Pinman (Pinman) (206.124.131.228) on Sunday, August 04, 2002 - 11:56 pm: Edit Post

oil me up and slide me around now!

who wants to get down?

long strokes....

swirl it around right there~

damn sexy jam into the 11 ?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By SweetLou (Loooou) (12.89.170.229) on Sunday, August 04, 2002 - 11:56 pm: Edit Post

10-11-83 was my first show and trip and their first St. Stephen in six years -- WHICH THEY'RE PLAYING NOW. About 90 (shows) from 83 - 95. That's for whoever was asking. This sounds great!!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Sebastian Petsu (Sebastian) (4.35.71.115) on Sunday, August 04, 2002 - 11:57 pm: Edit Post

sounds good to me. this set is reminding me of 7/3/98 TOO


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By hippies dance and babies cry (Bdub) (66.92.86.217) on Sunday, August 04, 2002 - 11:58 pm: Edit Post

Dude, yer Capslock is stuck...

No complaints from me, this is great shit.I learned a few years ago that ya just gotta let those GD comparisons go. This is different, Just enjoy it.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Pinman (Pinman) (206.124.131.228) on Sunday, August 04, 2002 - 11:58 pm: Edit Post

How about a ripple encore with an a capella last chorus?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By guy smiley (Headlight73) (208.33.155.252) on Sunday, August 04, 2002 - 11:58 pm: Edit Post

primal soup


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By j maguigad (Djangorox) (63.49.114.83) on Sunday, August 04, 2002 - 11:59 pm: Edit Post

wow...go bobby, you're sounding 30 years younger, think he's trippin'? NFA is inevitable!!!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By august west (Masshead) (65.96.220.254) on Monday, August 05, 2002 - 12:00 am: Edit Post

jimmy's rippin it up, bobby's pounding out those lyrics to Eleven...everyone is on tonight!!!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By on the bus offspring (Lennonb) (64.12.96.232) on Monday, August 05, 2002 - 12:00 am: Edit Post

Does anyone know anything for sure about these guys coming out West in the fall? Surely they wouldn't did the West?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Sean S. (Buzzassassin) (24.74.37.109) on Monday, August 05, 2002 - 12:00 am: Edit Post

so far, set II:

space >
drumz >
space >
playin >
banyan tree >
wheel >
playin
st stephen >
eleven >

wailin' stuff


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Sebastian Petsu (Sebastian) (4.35.71.115) on Monday, August 05, 2002 - 12:00 am: Edit Post

so is it chimenti on organ and barraco on the other keys, they're doing a fine job. though (while it's not bad) i prefer p&f's vocal approach to this song


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By greenville (Greenville) (165.247.184.7) on Monday, August 05, 2002 - 12:00 am: Edit Post

this is a season of what now ?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Tommy Danscuk (Robntomd) (67.82.119.228) on Monday, August 05, 2002 - 12:01 am: Edit Post

I'm biased, but I like Rob singing this alot more, at least it should be a duet


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Philbeara (Philbeara) (4.64.200.176) on Monday, August 05, 2002 - 12:01 am: Edit Post

This is how The Eleven sounds in the 21st century!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Whisper Stargazer (Miss43) (24.164.95.221) on Monday, August 05, 2002 - 12:01 am: Edit Post

Can we really have a Terrapin Station without a Terrapin? Say it isn't so!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Sean S. (Buzzassassin) (24.74.37.109) on Monday, August 05, 2002 - 12:01 am: Edit Post

terrapin?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Sebastian Petsu (Sebastian) (4.35.71.115) on Monday, August 05, 2002 - 12:02 am: Edit Post

but this is rockin'


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By chapman (Brewer) (65.80.143.223) on Monday, August 05, 2002 - 12:02 am: Edit Post

terapin


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Whisper Stargazer (Miss43) (24.164.95.221) on Monday, August 05, 2002 - 12:02 am: Edit Post

Here it is!!!!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Philbeara (Philbeara) (4.64.200.176) on Monday, August 05, 2002 - 12:02 am: Edit Post

You can't have a show called Terrapin Station without playing...


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Sean S. (Buzzassassin) (24.74.37.109) on Monday, August 05, 2002 - 12:03 am: Edit Post

very well developed intro


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By SweetLou (Loooou) (12.89.170.229) on Monday, August 05, 2002 - 12:03 am: Edit Post

Terrapin


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Sebastian Petsu (Sebastian) (4.35.71.115) on Monday, August 05, 2002 - 12:03 am: Edit Post

here comes my Shakedown?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By on the bus offspring (Lennonb) (64.12.96.232) on Monday, August 05, 2002 - 12:03 am: Edit Post

Terrapin!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By august west (Masshead) (65.96.220.254) on Monday, August 05, 2002 - 12:04 am: Edit Post

jammin into terrapin?....yea, here it is...inspiration move me brightly!!!!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Jeremy Grant (Alrokerisfat) (24.54.174.214) on Monday, August 05, 2002 - 12:04 am: Edit Post

from playin till now I have been goin nutz!!!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Sebastian Petsu (Sebastian) (4.35.71.115) on Monday, August 05, 2002 - 12:04 am: Edit Post

terrapin!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Jeremy Grant (Alrokerisfat) (24.54.174.214) on Monday, August 05, 2002 - 12:05 am: Edit Post

magical!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By j maguigad (Djangorox) (63.49.114.83) on Monday, August 05, 2002 - 12:06 am: Edit Post

'87-'95...never got to hear pre-coma jer live...with jgb'b in between...uh oh...heard plenty of terps at crap center, landover, that is...plq terrapin was jammin'...will they pick up to 7/14?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Sebastian Petsu (Sebastian) (4.35.71.115) on Monday, August 05, 2002 - 12:06 am: Edit Post

lovely, preach on phil!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By greenville (Greenville) (165.247.184.7) on Monday, August 05, 2002 - 12:07 am: Edit Post

the lady with the fan......
I can not forgive you if you will not take the chance..


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By mtnjammer (Mtnjammer) (216.166.149.51) on Monday, August 05, 2002 - 12:08 am: Edit Post

Phil Lesh: Grammy nomination for best vocal performance by a group well past its prime.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By j maguigad (Djangorox) (63.49.114.83) on Monday, August 05, 2002 - 12:08 am: Edit Post

up tempo jam during terp at merriweather this year was grate...


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Pinman (Pinman) (206.124.131.228) on Monday, August 05, 2002 - 12:09 am: Edit Post

some folks like their pickles spicy

red hot gherkin!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By august west (Masshead) (65.96.220.254) on Monday, August 05, 2002 - 12:10 am: Edit Post

sorry to all those diehard warren fans...but jimmy is making me forget all about warren's not being there...WOW, right on jimmy


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Sean S. (Buzzassassin) (24.74.37.109) on Monday, August 05, 2002 - 12:10 am: Edit Post

gotta hand it to Herring again...he is making his transitions when he has to - letting the jam get out there at the same time

awesome stuff


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By on the bus offspring (Lennonb) (64.12.96.232) on Monday, August 05, 2002 - 12:12 am: Edit Post

Inspiration!!!

Move me brightly!!!

Here we go!!!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Pinman (Pinman) (206.124.131.228) on Monday, August 05, 2002 - 12:12 am: Edit Post

always a gherkin lurkin' around here somewhere-

whereto now O red hot gherkin warriors?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Sean S. (Buzzassassin) (24.74.37.109) on Monday, August 05, 2002 - 12:12 am: Edit Post

yeaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Philbeara (Philbeara) (4.64.200.176) on Monday, August 05, 2002 - 12:12 am: Edit Post

The freakin crowd is goin freakin nuts!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By chapman (Brewer) (65.80.143.223) on Monday, August 05, 2002 - 12:13 am: Edit Post

Wow!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By on the bus offspring (Lennonb) (64.12.96.232) on Monday, August 05, 2002 - 12:13 am: Edit Post

Some rise...some fall....some climb....to get to Terrapin!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By august west (Masshead) (65.96.220.254) on Monday, August 05, 2002 - 12:13 am: Edit Post

some rise..some fall..some climb...some webcast..to get to Terrapin


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Whisper Stargazer (Miss43) (24.164.95.221) on Monday, August 05, 2002 - 12:13 am: Edit Post

I love Phil singing Terrapin! Phil Rules! Listen to them, "Terrapin!"


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By SweetLou (Loooou) (12.89.170.229) on Monday, August 05, 2002 - 12:14 am: Edit Post

I Need a Miricle -- hey, we all need 'em.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By on the bus offspring (Lennonb) (64.12.96.232) on Monday, August 05, 2002 - 12:14 am: Edit Post

A Rare and Different Tune!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Sebastian Petsu (Sebastian) (4.35.71.115) on Monday, August 05, 2002 - 12:14 am: Edit Post

is that the crowd singing "Terrapin!" wow


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By on the bus offspring (Lennonb) (64.12.96.232) on Monday, August 05, 2002 - 12:15 am: Edit Post

PLAY IT JIMMY!!!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Sean S. (Buzzassassin) (24.74.37.109) on Monday, August 05, 2002 - 12:15 am: Edit Post

yeah, you know that rocked 'em at Alpine Valley....what a jam


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Pinman (Pinman) (206.124.131.228) on Monday, August 05, 2002 - 12:15 am: Edit Post

and who's that standing behind you now?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Philbeara (Philbeara) (4.64.200.176) on Monday, August 05, 2002 - 12:16 am: Edit Post

Picasso Moon......

would suck right now.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Sean S. (Buzzassassin) (24.74.37.109) on Monday, August 05, 2002 - 12:16 am: Edit Post

let it grow


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Dan Perusse (Lost_Sailor) (24.91.181.41) on Monday, August 05, 2002 - 12:16 am: Edit Post

Let It Grow!!! Yahooo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By dougsdad (Dougsdad) (64.12.96.232) on Monday, August 05, 2002 - 12:16 am: Edit Post

aaww jeeez...i'm gettin all goose-bumpaly


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Whisper Stargazer (Miss43) (24.164.95.221) on Monday, August 05, 2002 - 12:17 am: Edit Post

smiling from ear to ear!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By august west (Masshead) (65.96.220.254) on Monday, August 05, 2002 - 12:17 am: Edit Post

wow Let It Grow...what a treat


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Sean S. (Buzzassassin) (24.74.37.109) on Monday, August 05, 2002 - 12:17 am: Edit Post

so far, set II:

space >
drumz >
space >
playin >
banyan tree >
wheel >
playin
st stephen >
eleven >
terrapin >
let it grow ...


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By on the bus offspring (Lennonb) (64.12.96.232) on Monday, August 05, 2002 - 12:17 am: Edit Post

Let It Grow!!!!!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Jonathan Schatten (Jschatts) (152.163.189.169) on Monday, August 05, 2002 - 12:17 am: Edit Post

unbelievable!!!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Pinman (Pinman) (206.124.131.228) on Monday, August 05, 2002 - 12:18 am: Edit Post

ah- the girl by the river :)


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Sebastian Petsu (Sebastian) (4.35.71.115) on Monday, August 05, 2002 - 12:18 am: Edit Post

great. i'vebeen waiting to hear phil jam out on this one again...


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Philbeara (Philbeara) (4.64.200.176) on Monday, August 05, 2002 - 12:18 am: Edit Post

Go on with your bad self, Jimmy!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By j maguigad (Djangorox) (63.49.114.83) on Monday, August 05, 2002 - 12:19 am: Edit Post

is that donna in the background?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By chapman (Brewer) (65.80.143.223) on Monday, August 05, 2002 - 12:19 am: Edit Post

beautiful....


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By august west (Masshead) (65.96.220.254) on Monday, August 05, 2002 - 12:19 am: Edit Post

beautiful jamming....and so it goes


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By on the bus offspring (Lennonb) (64.12.96.232) on Monday, August 05, 2002 - 12:20 am: Edit Post

I think this is Bobby's greatest song.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By j maguigad (Djangorox) (63.49.114.83) on Monday, August 05, 2002 - 12:21 am: Edit Post

barraco, u go...here we go...


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Pinman (Pinman) (206.124.131.228) on Monday, August 05, 2002 - 12:21 am: Edit Post

Ma'am- meet Jimmy- he's going to take us to the other side...


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Philbeara (Philbeara) (4.64.200.176) on Monday, August 05, 2002 - 12:21 am: Edit Post

My frickin headphones are melting on to my cranium!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By dougsdad (Dougsdad) (64.12.96.232) on Monday, August 05, 2002 - 12:21 am: Edit Post

better than any dead show i ever seen...50 of 'em, even...everytime i see these guys together they top themselves..herring is a monster lurking in mist...he doesn't beat you over the head like warren...hey, sometimes a beatin is good for ya


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Sean S. (Buzzassassin) (24.74.37.109) on Monday, August 05, 2002 - 12:21 am: Edit Post

they just sound so fluid, so effortless....really good stuff


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By on the bus offspring (Lennonb) (64.12.96.232) on Monday, August 05, 2002 - 12:22 am: Edit Post

Jimmy! Easy now big guy, you are making Jerry gazing down at you shake his head in amazement.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By chapman (Brewer) (65.80.143.223) on Monday, August 05, 2002 - 12:22 am: Edit Post

shakedown encore...


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Philbeara (Philbeara) (4.64.200.176) on Monday, August 05, 2002 - 12:24 am: Edit Post

Anyone know how they're lined up across the stage?

I know the two keyboardists are on stage left. And, yes, that the drummers are in the back.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By j maguigad (Djangorox) (63.49.114.83) on Monday, August 05, 2002 - 12:24 am: Edit Post

>>>shake his head in amazement

...with that big grin on his face!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Pinman (Pinman) (206.124.131.228) on Monday, August 05, 2002 - 12:24 am: Edit Post

the interplay between Herring & Barraco is incredible! Both of them are locked in-

Ya can't get outta THIS pocket :)


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Whisper Stargazer (Miss43) (24.164.95.221) on Monday, August 05, 2002 - 12:25 am: Edit Post

I'd like to hear that Shakedown encore, but I have a feeling it's gonna be *something else*!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By guy smiley (Headlight73) (208.33.155.252) on Monday, August 05, 2002 - 12:25 am: Edit Post

ill second a shakedown encore


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By on the bus offspring (Lennonb) (64.12.96.232) on Monday, August 05, 2002 - 12:25 am: Edit Post

Thay are all just throwing it all down with great authority and enthusiasm, really laying it all out there like they haven't done since 1977.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Dan Perusse (Lost_Sailor) (24.91.181.41) on Monday, August 05, 2002 - 12:26 am: Edit Post

I can't stop smiling!!!!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By on the bus offspring (Lennonb) (64.12.96.232) on Monday, August 05, 2002 - 12:27 am: Edit Post

Jimmy is fearless!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Keith Meagher (Kikkoman) (24.203.60.110) on Monday, August 05, 2002 - 12:27 am: Edit Post

Why would you say that the keyboards are stage left? Isn't Rob on stage right with PLQ?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By chapman (Brewer) (65.80.143.223) on Monday, August 05, 2002 - 12:27 am: Edit Post

Any calls Whisp?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Sebastian Petsu (Sebastian) (4.35.71.115) on Monday, August 05, 2002 - 12:27 am: Edit Post

this is a great Let It Grow


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Philbeara (Philbeara) (4.64.200.176) on Monday, August 05, 2002 - 12:27 am: Edit Post

This is the kinda show that you gotta hear to believe. The setlist simply does not do it justice.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Sean S. (Buzzassassin) (24.74.37.109) on Monday, August 05, 2002 - 12:27 am: Edit Post

just blazing, blazing stuff


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By august west (Masshead) (65.96.220.254) on Monday, August 05, 2002 - 12:28 am: Edit Post

would love a shakedown encore...but i think they should finish the he's gone they started last night...whatever it is this has been an AMAZING second set


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Sean S. (Buzzassassin) (24.74.37.109) on Monday, August 05, 2002 - 12:28 am: Edit Post

sugar mags....?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Pinman (Pinman) (206.124.131.228) on Monday, August 05, 2002 - 12:29 am: Edit Post

C'mon man- RIP IT!

Break on through to the utha side:)

The door is ajar-

loadin' up the magic carpet- ALL ABOARD?!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By guy smiley (Headlight73) (208.33.155.252) on Monday, August 05, 2002 - 12:29 am: Edit Post

he's not gone


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Philbeara (Philbeara) (4.64.200.176) on Monday, August 05, 2002 - 12:29 am: Edit Post

No, I saw a quick clip on the news tonight and Rob and Jeff were stage left... or looking at the stage they were on the left. But that was all I could make out.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By jds (Jds) (24.243.1.14) on Monday, August 05, 2002 - 12:29 am: Edit Post

NFA-> he's gone


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By on the bus offspring (Lennonb) (64.12.96.232) on Monday, August 05, 2002 - 12:30 am: Edit Post

You know other than Mountains on the Moon we haven't heard any Jerry ballads tonight. Really high energy tonight...so far.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Whisper Stargazer (Miss43) (24.164.95.221) on Monday, August 05, 2002 - 12:30 am: Edit Post

See photos from last night: http://images.dead.net/alpinephoto/otherones.html
Line up is same as old days, with Jimmy in Jerry's spot. Stage left on the keyboards.
What a totally smoking show!!! Glad I got to spend it with you kind folks!
Let's get ready for whatever is coming up next?!!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By j maguigad (Djangorox) (63.49.114.83) on Monday, August 05, 2002 - 12:30 am: Edit Post

its all up for grabs...


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Sean S. (Buzzassassin) (24.74.37.109) on Monday, August 05, 2002 - 12:30 am: Edit Post

plenty of options for the encore....even a third "mini" set!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Philbeara (Philbeara) (4.64.200.176) on Monday, August 05, 2002 - 12:31 am: Edit Post

Man, I could listen to this all night long.

Donor rap here?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Bruce Calderon (Bruce) (24.191.86.137) on Monday, August 05, 2002 - 12:31 am: Edit Post

suger mags!!!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By aaron k. (Rukind21) (12.251.80.61) on Monday, August 05, 2002 - 12:32 am: Edit Post

yes.
someone pinch me.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Sean S. (Buzzassassin) (24.74.37.109) on Monday, August 05, 2002 - 12:32 am: Edit Post

there it is!

maybe a Sugar mag > Sugaree > Sugar mag?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By on the bus offspring (Lennonb) (64.12.96.232) on Monday, August 05, 2002 - 12:32 am: Edit Post

Attics Of My Life?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Whisper Stargazer (Miss43) (24.164.95.221) on Monday, August 05, 2002 - 12:33 am: Edit Post

Perfect.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By chapman (Brewer) (65.80.143.223) on Monday, August 05, 2002 - 12:33 am: Edit Post

i guess sugar mags is out for the encore....

shakedowns' comin'


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By john brown (Odraink) (216.78.153.246) on Monday, August 05, 2002 - 12:33 am: Edit Post

where's my samson? maybe still...


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Philbeara (Philbeara) (4.64.200.176) on Monday, August 05, 2002 - 12:33 am: Edit Post

Thanks Whisper Stargazer. And you're right. This has been a great way to see (or not see) a show.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Sean S. (Buzzassassin) (24.74.37.109) on Monday, August 05, 2002 - 12:33 am: Edit Post

a crowd pleaser if there ever was one - and a nice leisurely dancefest pace to boot - go Bobby!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Pinman (Pinman) (206.124.131.228) on Monday, August 05, 2002 - 12:34 am: Edit Post

I'm all sticky & sweet now:)

Everybody come lick me- all 35,ooo tongues at once!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By on the bus offspring (Lennonb) (64.12.96.232) on Monday, August 05, 2002 - 12:34 am: Edit Post

Sugar Magnolia! Blossoms Bloomin'!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Whisper Stargazer (Miss43) (24.164.95.221) on Monday, August 05, 2002 - 12:34 am: Edit Post

How's about a Sugar Mag>Here Comes Sunshine>Sugar Mag?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By august west (Masshead) (65.96.220.254) on Monday, August 05, 2002 - 12:34 am: Edit Post

saw TOO in 2000, did a sugar mags>sunshine daydream>ripple encore, could be the same tonight


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Sean S. (Buzzassassin) (24.74.37.109) on Monday, August 05, 2002 - 12:35 am: Edit Post

PHIL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
droppin bombs


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Bruce Calderon (Bruce) (24.191.86.137) on Monday, August 05, 2002 - 12:35 am: Edit Post

Good call, I agree they'll end with the he's gone that statrted this party


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By SweetLou (Loooou) (12.89.170.229) on Monday, August 05, 2002 - 12:36 am: Edit Post

And we bid you good night.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Philbeara (Philbeara) (4.64.200.176) on Monday, August 05, 2002 - 12:36 am: Edit Post

This is heaven!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By chapman (Brewer) (65.80.143.223) on Monday, August 05, 2002 - 12:37 am: Edit Post

too sweet for words


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By j maguigad (Djangorox) (63.49.114.83) on Monday, August 05, 2002 - 12:37 am: Edit Post

leavin us dancin!!! wow


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Sean S. (Buzzassassin) (24.74.37.109) on Monday, August 05, 2002 - 12:38 am: Edit Post

back into Sugar Magnolia


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Sean S. (Buzzassassin) (24.74.37.109) on Monday, August 05, 2002 - 12:39 am: Edit Post

or SSDD to be exact - damn this is sa-mokin'


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By aaron k. (Rukind21) (12.251.80.61) on Monday, August 05, 2002 - 12:39 am: Edit Post

this is me~~~~~~~>:)
will anyone second the fact that
bobby seems very happy to be there tonight?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By clm725 (Clm725) (64.252.76.52) on Monday, August 05, 2002 - 12:39 am: Edit Post

Ratdog played Samson this afternoon..i doubt it for encore


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Pinman (Pinman) (206.124.131.228) on Monday, August 05, 2002 - 12:40 am: Edit Post

The "Just Exactly Perfect Brothers Band" :)

Bobby is having a blast!

Thanks for being here to hang with y'all- a great way to connect with the community in my little lonely neck of the woods!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By chapman (Brewer) (65.80.143.223) on Monday, August 05, 2002 - 12:40 am: Edit Post

testify


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Sean S. (Buzzassassin) (24.74.37.109) on Monday, August 05, 2002 - 12:41 am: Edit Post

hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm....what is this?

a jam out of the end of SSDD...maybe St Stephen reprise?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Keith Meagher (Kikkoman) (24.203.60.110) on Monday, August 05, 2002 - 12:41 am: Edit Post

I remember once hearing that the only reasonable option for someone to play lead guitar with TOO was Steve Kimock. Jimmy showed them that he is the man!!!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Bruce Calderon (Bruce) (24.191.86.137) on Monday, August 05, 2002 - 12:41 am: Edit Post

UJB!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Philbeara (Philbeara) (4.64.200.176) on Monday, August 05, 2002 - 12:42 am: Edit Post

What is this??????????? My God!!!!!!!!! It's not....... It is!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

SUgar Mag>UJB!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Whisper Stargazer (Miss43) (24.164.95.221) on Monday, August 05, 2002 - 12:42 am: Edit Post

They don't wanna stop! We don't want them to, either! And now, Uncle John's!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Keith Meagher (Kikkoman) (24.203.60.110) on Monday, August 05, 2002 - 12:42 am: Edit Post

UJB. I love it!!!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Sean S. (Buzzassassin) (24.74.37.109) on Monday, August 05, 2002 - 12:42 am: Edit Post

uncle johns!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By SweetLou (Loooou) (12.89.170.229) on Monday, August 05, 2002 - 12:42 am: Edit Post

I second that Aaron


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By clm725 (Clm725) (64.252.76.52) on Monday, August 05, 2002 - 12:42 am: Edit Post

UJB!!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By j maguigad (Djangorox) (63.49.114.83) on Monday, August 05, 2002 - 12:42 am: Edit Post

ujb


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By aaron k. (Rukind21) (12.251.80.61) on Monday, August 05, 2002 - 12:43 am: Edit Post

no effin way.
unlce john?
words cannot describe what i feel
right now. soo.....asdsdjfhyiuoejksdfkhasdgfyessjdhfskdhklhd.
:)


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By john brown (Odraink) (216.78.153.246) on Monday, August 05, 2002 - 12:43 am: Edit Post

excellent!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By jds (Jds) (24.243.1.14) on Monday, August 05, 2002 - 12:43 am: Edit Post

happiness


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Sean S. (Buzzassassin) (24.74.37.109) on Monday, August 05, 2002 - 12:44 am: Edit Post

so far, set II:

space >
drumz >
space >
playin >
banyan tree >
wheel >
playin
st stephen >
eleven >
terrapin >
let it grow

Encore (is it?):
sugar mag >
uncle johns band


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Bruce Calderon (Bruce) (24.191.86.137) on Monday, August 05, 2002 - 12:44 am: Edit Post

This is the most fun I've ever had at a show I didn't go to!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Philbeara (Philbeara) (4.64.200.176) on Monday, August 05, 2002 - 12:44 am: Edit Post

I have seen the light!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By august west (Masshead) (65.96.220.254) on Monday, August 05, 2002 - 12:45 am: Edit Post

my buddy always tried to reason with me that jimmy was the true star of PLQ besides Phil of course...i'm startin' to see his point a little bit clearer


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By clm725 (Clm725) (64.252.76.52) on Monday, August 05, 2002 - 12:45 am: Edit Post

This isnt going to leave much time for an encore..they stop right at midnight(i hope Im wrong)...Although leaving with this would be sweet


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Sean S. (Buzzassassin) (24.74.37.109) on Monday, August 05, 2002 - 12:45 am: Edit Post

or this may still be the end of set II...not sure, but that was a long silent break after let it grow


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By dougsdad (Dougsdad) (64.12.96.232) on Monday, August 05, 2002 - 12:45 am: Edit Post

i think aaron said it best...kjhgserfhkjwekjserkhefkjhwekjhwekwerhfiueherijfhiejhrhnfijerjnkfgjhfgdfqweljgne458


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Philbeara (Philbeara) (4.64.200.176) on Monday, August 05, 2002 - 12:46 am: Edit Post

I'll second that, Bruce. God bless ya!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Whisper Stargazer (Miss43) (24.164.95.221) on Monday, August 05, 2002 - 12:47 am: Edit Post

I'm with you Bruce! Ain't no time to hate...
Thanks to everyone who brought us this awesome webcast!
Classic, rippin show! I cannot wait for Fall Tour! BRING IT ON!!!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Philbeara (Philbeara) (4.64.200.176) on Monday, August 05, 2002 - 12:48 am: Edit Post

This music... forever and always... a celebration of the life of Jerry Garcia.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Keith Meagher (Kikkoman) (24.203.60.110) on Monday, August 05, 2002 - 12:48 am: Edit Post

Someone get Jimmy a MIDI kit.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By mtnjammer (Mtnjammer) (216.166.149.51) on Monday, August 05, 2002 - 12:49 am: Edit Post

how about dec 27th, 28th, 30th & 31st: Henry J. Kaiser Convention Ctr. Oakland,Ca. Happy New Year!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Sean S. (Buzzassassin) (24.74.37.109) on Monday, August 05, 2002 - 12:49 am: Edit Post

yes...."no time to hate"
no coincidence they played this song in this setlist location is there??


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Philbeara (Philbeara) (4.64.200.176) on Monday, August 05, 2002 - 12:49 am: Edit Post

We're home!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By clm725 (Clm725) (64.252.76.52) on Monday, August 05, 2002 - 12:49 am: Edit Post

Jimmy just nails every necessary Jerry lick without sounding like a cheap knock off..he gets my vote for the MVP this weekend...his work last night on Stranger and Lazy Lightnin' showed a sweet side of his playing that I dont hear in PLQ with Warren..I think Rob B. has been coaching him on the finer points of Garcia 101


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Bruce Calderon (Bruce) (24.191.86.137) on Monday, August 05, 2002 - 12:50 am: Edit Post

Box of RAin!!!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Sean S. (Buzzassassin) (24.74.37.109) on Monday, August 05, 2002 - 12:50 am: Edit Post

WOW - BOX!!!!!!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Keith Meagher (Kikkoman) (24.203.60.110) on Monday, August 05, 2002 - 12:50 am: Edit Post

Phil Rules!!!!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By guy smiley (Headlight73) (208.33.155.252) on Monday, August 05, 2002 - 12:51 am: Edit Post

all is well


many thanks webcasters!!!!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By aaron k. (Rukind21) (12.251.80.61) on Monday, August 05, 2002 - 12:51 am: Edit Post

they're not done pholks.
ok, is this for real.
b/c i'm having my doubts right now.
i think they are preverbially pasting and
clicking shows together for this webcast,
b/c the idea of a show like this under these
circumstances blows my mind.....phew. sorry.
getting rather emotional.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By clm725 (Clm725) (64.252.76.52) on Monday, August 05, 2002 - 12:52 am: Edit Post

Sugar Mag>UJB>Box must be the encore..it didnt seem like a long enough break after let it grow though


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By greenville (Greenville) (165.247.184.7) on Monday, August 05, 2002 - 12:52 am: Edit Post

what a away to blow curfew......a long long time to be gone...and a short time to be there


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Sean S. (Buzzassassin) (24.74.37.109) on Monday, August 05, 2002 - 12:52 am: Edit Post

all is indeed well - this is like water in the desert

I think the boys meant business this weekend


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Whisper Stargazer (Miss43) (24.164.95.221) on Monday, August 05, 2002 - 12:53 am: Edit Post

Hallejulah! We've come full circle! What a pear of absolutely perfect shows! I missed last night, but the set list looks HOT! Inch your way through Dead dreams to another land....


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Bruce Calderon (Bruce) (24.191.86.137) on Monday, August 05, 2002 - 12:53 am: Edit Post

Well beyond expectations...can't wait for MSG!!!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Philbeara (Philbeara) (4.64.200.176) on Monday, August 05, 2002 - 12:54 am: Edit Post

Believe it if you need it, or need it if you dare!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Sean S. (Buzzassassin) (24.74.37.109) on Monday, August 05, 2002 - 12:54 am: Edit Post

guys, that is Phil & Bobby dueting on the vocals to box


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Dan Perusse (Lost_Sailor) (24.91.181.41) on Monday, August 05, 2002 - 12:54 am: Edit Post

Am i dreaming????


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Keith Meagher (Kikkoman) (24.203.60.110) on Monday, August 05, 2002 - 12:54 am: Edit Post

Clearly, Everything was on tonight! Including the audience!!!!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By dougsdad (Dougsdad) (64.12.96.232) on Monday, August 05, 2002 - 12:54 am: Edit Post

easy aaron
pack a bowl
maybe its better you weren't there
breath
what do you want me to do
to do for you
to see you through


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By chapman (Brewer) (65.80.143.223) on Monday, August 05, 2002 - 12:55 am: Edit Post

encore coming


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Philbeara (Philbeara) (4.64.200.176) on Monday, August 05, 2002 - 12:55 am: Edit Post

It's great to be a Deadhead!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Sean S. (Buzzassassin) (24.74.37.109) on Monday, August 05, 2002 - 12:55 am: Edit Post

what an unbelievable show!!!!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Bruce Calderon (Bruce) (24.191.86.137) on Monday, August 05, 2002 - 12:55 am: Edit Post

No there coming back for a Shakedown....


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Whisper Stargazer (Miss43) (24.164.95.221) on Monday, August 05, 2002 - 12:56 am: Edit Post

Schmoooking!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By jds (Jds) (24.243.1.14) on Monday, August 05, 2002 - 12:56 am: Edit Post

nfa


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By aaron k. (Rukind21) (12.251.80.61) on Monday, August 05, 2002 - 12:56 am: Edit Post

if that wasn't the encore, i'd be
very content with a simple Bid You G'Nite
encore.

(but i would't turn down a shake :) )


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Philbeara (Philbeara) (4.64.200.176) on Monday, August 05, 2002 - 12:56 am: Edit Post

So for those of you who heard last night's show, how would you compare the two?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By chapman (Brewer) (65.80.143.223) on Monday, August 05, 2002 - 12:57 am: Edit Post

Here it is....

Shakedown


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By stankmonky (Monkystank) (172.156.182.48) on Monday, August 05, 2002 - 12:57 am: Edit Post

8-4-02
set 2
9:58 space>
10:04 drumz> (you wanted them so badly you got em all you bathroom breakers...speaking of which)
10:09 space>
10:11 playin in the band> (next to help/slip yesterday, the best jamming yet)
10:23 banyon tree> (bad bob song, too bad things were just starting to heat up, but that's weir for you. slam on the brakes when things are gettin good)
10:32 playin instrumental reprise tease>
10:33 the wheel> (all) (6 minute wheel-ouch)
10:39 playin reprise(stop 10:42)(weir:"thank you")
10:44 st. stephen> (all)
10:55 eleven> (all but mainly weir)(when the other ones broke out steven/eleven 2 year's ago it was a big deal, but now that plq and ratdog play it every other night, it's lost a lot of its wow. jerry understood this stuff and so the dead only played it a few times but when they did it the roof would cave in) (hey they're playin the 11 at 11, get it, good. i wonder of they'll play the 12 at, oh never mind.)
11:02 terrapin> (phil) (stop 11:16)(someone please get these guys a lead singer. seriously it's time. this is all dylan's fault. now everyone thinks they can sing.)
(these shows have really shown me that if you like weir go see ratdog and if you like phil go see plq because this band is simply a watered down version of those. this band adds nothing to the mix (sorry micky jingo and billy) but loses a lot from those other ones, no pun intended. there's nothing these guys have done that hasn't been done better by plq except the weir songs and like i said go see him play the full weather report)
11:16 let it grow> (weir counts it down 1234 at end of terrapin and starts)
(this is tired, where's warren and low spark when you need him)
11:28 end.
(the crowd is so mellow/spent you can't even tell they've left the stage and the show is over.
encore
11:32 sugar magnolia>
11:42 uncle john's band> (all) (nice surprise here)
11:50 box of rain
11:55 end. thank you very much. goodnightnow.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Sean S. (Buzzassassin) (24.74.37.109) on Monday, August 05, 2002 - 12:57 am: Edit Post

so far, set II:

space >
drumz >
space >
playin >
banyan tree >
wheel >
playin
st stephen >
eleven >
terrapin >
let it grow

Encore:
sugar mag >
uncle johns band >
box of rain


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By j maguigad (Djangorox) (63.49.114.83) on Monday, August 05, 2002 - 12:58 am: Edit Post

grateful for those show!!!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By aaron k. (Rukind21) (12.251.80.61) on Monday, August 05, 2002 - 12:58 am: Edit Post

thanks dougs dad.
thank you to all of you.
we really have something special
amongst everyone of us.
very happy to be a part of it.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By clm725 (Clm725) (64.252.76.52) on Monday, August 05, 2002 - 12:58 am: Edit Post

fall tour here i come!.....
just wait until they get some serious rehersal time before november..its gonna be scary!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Philbeara (Philbeara) (4.64.200.176) on Monday, August 05, 2002 - 12:59 am: Edit Post

Two full shows and no Easy Answers?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Whisper Stargazer (Miss43) (24.164.95.221) on Monday, August 05, 2002 - 01:00 am: Edit Post

Great sharing the show with you all. Take care, see ya on tour! Safe travels!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By chapman (Brewer) (65.80.143.223) on Monday, August 05, 2002 - 01:01 am: Edit Post

I bid u goodnight!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By guy smiley (Headlight73) (208.33.155.252) on Monday, August 05, 2002 - 01:01 am: Edit Post

who wants a shot of tequila


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Jonathan Schatten (Jschatts) (152.163.189.169) on Monday, August 05, 2002 - 01:02 am: Edit Post

Thank you guys, that was an incredibly fun time!!!
Can't wait until November!!!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Timmyhoover (Timmyhoover) (24.30.132.2) on Monday, August 05, 2002 - 01:02 am: Edit Post

Awesome Shows Special thanks to gary for keeping us informed.

MVP AWARD --- Mr. Jimmy Herring


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Philbeara (Philbeara) (4.64.200.176) on Monday, August 05, 2002 - 01:04 am: Edit Post

Stankmonkey, my friend, you fail to harsh my mellow. From where I sit that show was something special, with an X-factor that's not to be found at Ratdog or PLQ (two of my favorite bands, BTW). May the road go on... forever.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Dewit (Dewit) (68.37.224.50) on Monday, August 05, 2002 - 01:04 am: Edit Post

Set 2.

Space/Drums w/Phil and Mickey
Playin' in the Band>
The Wheel>
Banyon Tree>
Playin' in the Band
St. Stephen>
The Eleven>
Terrapin Station>
Let It Grow

Encores:
Sugar Magnolia
Uncle John's Band
Box of Rain

Thank you Taperrob

Band huddled onstage after taking bows and jumping up and down.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By on the bus offspring (Lennonb) (64.12.96.232) on Monday, August 05, 2002 - 01:06 am: Edit Post

Here's to the boys tonight. MVP goes to Jimmy hands down. See you all out West on the 1st leg of the fall tour starting Oct. 5th and 6th at The Gorge in Washington State. :)


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By dougsdad (Dougsdad) (64.12.96.232) on Monday, August 05, 2002 - 01:07 am: Edit Post

hey...cool
thanks to everyone for letting me rant
definetely (?) the best show i didn't go to
see you @ msg

goodnight mr herring


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By daniel berman (Dan30ga) (68.51.143.77) on Monday, August 05, 2002 - 01:10 am: Edit Post

philbeara said it all! I am in it for the magic!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By j maguigad (Djangorox) (63.49.114.83) on Monday, August 05, 2002 - 01:11 am: Edit Post

i'm gonna have a halfsmoke with chili and cheese!!!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Eric (Lionskickbutt) (65.151.217.8) on Monday, August 05, 2002 - 01:32 am: Edit Post

Hey Smiley! I'll take a shot of Tequilla, one of the best sets I've ever heard! Long live Jerry!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By ryan thompson (Ryanryan) (152.163.206.176) on Monday, August 05, 2002 - 02:09 am: Edit Post

least valuable player LVP goes to mickey hart, there's a reason why no one ever had "let mickey sing" signs up in the crowd ( b/c he cant sing....)
now i loved the show and thought the band rocked but from now on maybe rob or bobby should be on vocals for fire or EVEN billy maybe


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By mikepace (Mpace) (64.252.194.229) on Monday, August 05, 2002 - 02:14 am: Edit Post

Was phil choking the lyrics on Box or what? Mustve been really emotional for him up there.

Best TOO shows & lineup to date, and not having to leave home to catch it & hang w/ yall was the best. God, I love this place........


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By tom mcgann (Iceman) (24.193.33.172) on Monday, August 05, 2002 - 06:28 am: Edit Post

god bless the grateful dead


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Paul (Prodl) (64.244.223.246) on Monday, August 05, 2002 - 09:34 am: Edit Post

just a slight revision:

space >
drumz >
space >
playin >
banyan tree >
wheel >
playin
st stephen >
eleven >
terrapin >
let it grow

Encore:
sugar mag >
sunshine daydream >
uncle johns band >
box of rain


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By captain brandon (Brandon_219) (24.169.184.177) on Monday, August 05, 2002 - 09:41 am: Edit Post

the "space" before drumz, is off of mickey harts album, supralingua. I think the exact name is indoscrub (spelling??). But I remember having tyhis discussion last night, that it is infact not space but a mickey tune.

great show, wish i was there.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Paul (Prodl) (64.244.223.246) on Monday, August 05, 2002 - 09:48 am: Edit Post

and my 2 cents:

a very solid effort, very enjoyable, nice to see Rob get some lead time; I think that will increase in the Fall.

Phil was clearly the band leader (e.g., the lead in on Terrapin), and I don't find his vocals to be as unbearable as some on this board seem to. He mostly hits the notes and he knows the lyrics.

The keyboards were nicely understated, the drums very solid and JH and Bob have no trouble meshing.

When these guys get some more playing time together, I think we're going to see some very fine Fall shows.

And for anyone who needs more Warren, get ready for the next Mule tour. NYE, NYC, the Beacon!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Georgie1 (Georgie1) (168.191.42.165) on Monday, August 05, 2002 - 11:02 am: Edit Post

>>>let it grow...this is tired, where's warren and low spark when you need him

Didn't hear it, but "tired"? Let It Grow? Do you mean you're tired of it, or a tired version?

Hey, Warren's Low Spark gives me chills, but LIG to close the show is an "inspiring" choice. Would you prefer A&A>JBG, Monkystank?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Sebastian Petsu (Sebastian) (4.35.71.115) on Monday, August 05, 2002 - 11:15 am: Edit Post

here's the fairly positive AP review of the weekend. What they said about Lesh being "tone-deaf" made me laugh.

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New Dead Lineup Retains Old Feeling
The Associated Press
Aug 5 2002 9:43AM

EAST TROY, Wis. (AP) - They are The Other Ones, the world's greatest Grateful Dead cover band.
Even drummer and original band member Mickey Hart stammers not to call them the Grateful Dead and in some ways, they are even better.

Jimmy Herring's guitar cuts cleaner lines through the ensemble than did Jerry Garcia's.

Herring brings an edgier, more athletic command, spurring original members Bob Weir, Phil Lesh, Bill Kreutzmann and Hart to play as well as they ever have.

And while Garcia's slippery and delicate guitar lines used to slow the band down, his inimitable sound and otherworldly flair was the crown jewel on the band's complex web of noise.

Herring is clearly a worthy fit, but he doesn't possess Garcia's dark magic and doesn't peer around the troubled corners that Garcia oft explored.

There were some tributes. On a mid-set ``I Know You Rider'' on Saturday night, the band crafted a classy and reverent harmony to fill the hole where Garcia used to bellow about a headlight on a northbound train, a moment that historically drew raucous cheers.

A slice of the Dead's long-ago abandoned repertoire emerged to much delight on Saturday as the band ripped through a near-studio quality ``Born Cross-eyed,'' a jumble of vocal hairpin turns the Dead almost never played.

The Other Ones also upheld a longtime Dead staple: the hyperextended drums and space jams where the Dead's dissonant interplay followed several minutes of dueling drummers.

The most glaring hole, however, remained Garcia's frail and wizened voice: pianist Rob Barocco does a noteworthy imitation, but it feels canned, like the post-Jim Henson Kermit the Frog.

Individual members also sang Garcia's songs; bassist Lesh's tone-deaf blare is more relaxed, but still sounds better awash in harmony. His singing was more tolerable when it was heard less frequently.

There was much ado about security on the grounds but droves of glassy-eyed Deadheads streamed in and out of Alpine Valley Music Theatre with little trouble, weary but tolerant of the heavy-handed security to which they were rarely subjected in decades past.

Authorities sent scores of officers and tow trucks home early in the weekend as it became clear the all-ages mass came mostly to smile and do the wiggle dance.

First-night jitters behind them, The Other Ones cruised into Sunday, guitars ablaze. Herring drove the band confidently through a 40-minute odyssey that included five songs such as ``Eyes of the World,'' ``Saint of Circumstance,'' ``Mountains of the Moon'' and ``Fire on the Mountain.''

It was clear the weekend was a success.

That bodes well for The Other Ones' planned fall tour, tentatively announced last week - and contingent upon the success of the Alpine event.

The trial run complete, it is likely The Other Ones will perhaps establish some of the momentum the Dead carried until its crashing halt in 1995 with Garcia's death.

And while the music has all the Dead's bombast and psychedelic power, The Other Ones still have only the Dead's songs, which means for now they're a Grateful Dead cover band of the highest possible order - and not much more.

Hart spoke casually of a future with the band writing new material, but the plan for now is to have no plan. However, their apparent new appreciation for rehearsing - a practice the Dead despised - might just hatch a batch of new songs to freshen up their sets and keep them on the road for many years to come.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By ryan thompson (Ryanryan) (64.12.96.232) on Monday, August 05, 2002 - 02:08 pm: Edit Post

when's phillyboy going to release some more soundboards

you think he'll release the TOO Sbds?
i hope so

he's got 30 days off


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Evan (Esegal) (207.8.215.6) on Monday, August 05, 2002 - 02:34 pm: Edit Post

WOW --- That was fun!!!!!!!!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Bucky (Bucky) (130.132.243.35) on Monday, August 05, 2002 - 04:02 pm: Edit Post

I thought that last night was better played.
They seemed to 'on' right from the get go, as opposed to saturday, when everything up to Dark Star seemed to come up a little short of great....
Cassidy was nice, BEW & BTW are just 1st set filler to me - never too good; never too bad.

Eyes was fast, much faster than P&F plays it. It was like an '80-'81 version. Jimmy ripping it up.
Saint of Circumstance, yuck, but it wasn't bad & the 2 good points were: No Lost Sailor & done in the first set. :)

Mountains was average, Fire, good playing, Mickey singing was just horrible. Maybe he should've rapped it instead.....

Jack Straw was very mediocre to be honest.

The second set opened with a Playin tuning that became a slow mellow space , nice. Then the tar, & into drums, kinda opposite the old days, where it would be drums, then tar, then space.....
They came out with a 'space' that was another Playin' tuning really.
Playin was easily the highlight of the evening. Someone said "Like '73". Well, like a good '77 or '80-'81 yes, but '73? Not quite. Jimmy was really ripping the playin riffs, & they stayed in the playin theme alot longer than P&F generally do.
Then, a spacey noodle like China Doll was coming, & EEK! Banyon Tree....

What a waste. Somebody said "It IS a TOO's song, they''ve played it before." True, but this was called a GREATEFUL DEAD Reunion, Not a TOO's Eunion.....

Back to another good Playin jam, then The Wheel. Dead style, pretty much perfunctory, but high energy, & who doesn't like The Wheel?

Finally they finished off Playin'. This Playin sandwich was about 32 or 33 minutes & definitly the best plying of the night IMHO (although I missed the 2nd half of Let It Grow).

Saint Staphen was great, but not as great as with Warren. They did a decidedly Stephen jam afterwords, very remeniscent of the Dead's versions in 1983. The 11 was great too, but again, Warren missing made it a little less great than P&F. Bob sang his cheesey lyrics, as opposed to the traditional way like P&F do it. Even Mrs B, much less critical than me, burst out laughing at Bob's vocals at the end.....

Terrapin was a throw away, no improv (as usual -side from P&F). The jam in the middle was very short.
Let It Grow was rippin', until I disconnected & missed the last 5 minutes. I don't doubt the 5 minutes was great though....


The encores, well, they were there.
I love Sugar Mag, haven't seen it in 18 years, but I'd just assume skip it if it's going to be played like this. No intensity, slow as '76.....

UJB, nice, but why did Phil (and now TOO's) stop doing the big build-up at the end? The mellow ending is so...uh, mellow. :(
If you don't understand what I mean by 'the big build-up', throw on 5-5-81 (or any 80-81 version) or P&F's 11-10-99 version (maybe the most powerful ending this side of 9-6-80).

Box was Box....

I'm sure it was better being there & they will improve with more shows, and they ARE good, but I just don't get this excitement because the living members of the Dead played together, because to my ears, P&F in it's current form (and most past ones) blows this TOO's away.


As I told Mrs B, I can only attribute it to the fact that most Deadheads haven't gotten past losing the Dead as a living band when Jerry died & are nostalgic for the good old days.
Personally, I just hear the music, & P&F is better to my ears.
Still, I think TOO's are good enough to see once.....


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By august west (Masshead) (65.96.220.254) on Monday, August 05, 2002 - 04:05 pm: Edit Post

my 2 cents on last night...had a heck of a time connecting, and i was lost for good at the end of UJB ( can't believe i missed box!!), but i can't complain, the technology that is webcast is a blessing for us fans who couldn't trek out to Alpine...thought last night's show, particularly the energy in set 2 was AMAZING stuff, jimmy's solo efforts, particularly on playin>st. stephen, took my breath away, rest of the band was definitely sharp...stankmonkey, thought you were a little harsh on the boys last night, but everyone is entitled to their own opinion, i would just stress to everyone, give this band SOME TIME!!! i saw plq when they were first coming together, and they were nowhere near the monster they are today, and in fact i think last night's show blew away all of PLQ's early stuff. nowadays, plq has an awesome sound with both warren and jimmy, though I thought last night TOO reminded me a lot of the Dead in the 87-91 era, little more laid back than PLQ but nonetheless beautiful...bobby's energy was contagious, way higher than ratdog shows, agree with the comments of how happy he seemed to be up there...to sum up, last night was, I believe, the prelude to a very special Fall tour, and I think we should all be glad that the music we care so much about has come back with such FORCE!!...the music never stops...


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Djangoman (Djangoman) (198.6.33.32) on Monday, August 05, 2002 - 04:17 pm: Edit Post

Basically agree with Bucky's take except I thought the band was warmed up by the end of the first set Sat, and that it took most of the second set before they were warmed up on Sun. I thought Jimmy had a lot more punch Sat and that many of the Sunday tunes were lackluster. Jimmy does a great job on the the Playing in the Band jams, very imaginative and thoughtful stuff, but I have not yet heard him deliver the punch that songs like Jack Straw and Sugar Mags need. I can appreciate Warren's contributions on this level and agree with Bucky that Warren does bring needed energy to St. Stephen.

I thought Jimmy rocked pretty good on St. hight, so I think he has it in him. Maybe he feels that he needs to be understated, out of respect for the "backup band" but when he steps out, he brings the rest of the band up.

Also, sjf's comments on Phil leading the jams is right on. I take back my comment. During the set break, the jam out of Again and Again into Strawberry fields (I think?) went to different spaces in between. Wouldn't it be great if the OtherOnes could be more exploratory between songs?

Bring on the web casts this Fall !!!!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Ted (Buddhat) (68.69.141.150) on Monday, August 05, 2002 - 04:18 pm: Edit Post

Well, there's one thing for sure -- last night was the most fun I've had as a loyal head since PLQ's first show with the current lineup at Fillmore in Denver. Cybercast RULED!

I think it's time we all take a step back and realize that it's not worth the energy to continually make comparisons about anything -- PLQ gave us GD on steroids and satisfied our technical desires through a combination of flat-out sick players. And I will continue to support them if they decide to continue. However, what I heard last night on the webcast made me shivver. I'd forgotten how much I appreciated the more spacious and patient jams that was the Dead in the mid-70's. I'd forgotten how much emotion could be displayed in one set of music (not just choice of songs, but the manner in which they were performed.) You could feel the energy of the crowd through the modem -- the GD crowd. The loyalists, the purists, the dedicated. The difference? TOO PLAYED THEIR ASSES OFF! Each of the remaining members had been educating themselves in the years since Jerry's passing. They are all more mature, healthy and appreciative of their experiences these many years. And besides reuniting together, they had three more modern cats to add spice to their efforts:

1) Rob Barraco -- come on folks -- if this guy isn't the shit, then who is. It's like having Pigpen, Godcheaux, Mydland and Hornsby all wrapped up in a nice, smiling package!

2) Jimmy Herring -- no mistaking I'll always miss the vocal/guitar combination in one person, and Jerry will always be my fave. But are you kidding me with this guy? And I love Warren just as much as the next guy, but if you thought any of the sick, twisted shit in PLQ was anyone but Herring, last night should have been your proof. He is the PERFECT guitarist for TOO. MAJOR CHOPS and takes Phil, Bill and Mickey to new levels of technical ability.

3) Chimenti -- if that's Bobby's pick to keep things fair, I'm all for it. His organ playing was right on, and although I feel he's no Barraco, he's certainly better than Welnick. However, I think TOO could make do with just Barraco -- would clean up the sound even more and leave more room for Bobby's old school rythym playing.

I'm in a daze -- time to start thinking about touring again. This is what I've been looking for since 1995.

COME WEST, YOUNG MEN!!!

Cheers!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Evan (Esegal) (207.8.215.6) on Monday, August 05, 2002 - 04:46 pm: Edit Post

Bobby wouldn't even look Jimmy's way and barely acknowledged him all weekend. He basically played with his back to Jimmy -- even when Jimmy was wailing away and sounding awesome. What up with that???


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Headlight (Headlight) (144.160.0.83) on Monday, August 05, 2002 - 05:33 pm: Edit Post

I think Bobby and Jimmy both were cuing from/thru Phil. I wouln't read much more into it than that IMHO!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Bruce Calderon (Dogcatcher) (65.105.64.162) on Monday, August 05, 2002 - 05:39 pm: Edit Post

Most of us couldn't see the show. It sure sounded that they played very well together. Remember Bobby is the DEAD, Jimmy's just an invited guest (who makes the party that much better).

I just don't understand those who still preach that the PLQ is better than what we were treated to this weekend.

Bobby is man...pink guitar and all!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By michael sands (Bobbyluv) (216.174.168.159) on Monday, August 05, 2002 - 05:59 pm: Edit Post

i was in very good seats both sat. and sun. nites, and bobby did not look over at jimmy much, but was he going to look to the newest player of grateful dead music for cues and direction on complex changes and tempo changes? bobby's gonna look to phil, mickey, and billy who know the shit better. that's all i read into it. on sunday, bobby and jimmy were smiling at each other quite often. in fact, there was nothing but smiles (even during missed changes or chords).


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Annie (Antoinette) (24.185.137.141) on Monday, August 05, 2002 - 06:06 pm: Edit Post

I think the Encore once again will set the pace to what's to come:
Never Ending Daydream~
Come here Uncle Johns Band, playing to the tribes,
And, Such a long long time to be gone *but a short time to be there!
The whole show was "Right On", from where I was!
Thanks Guys:)


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Djangoman (Djangoman) (198.6.33.32) on Monday, August 05, 2002 - 06:12 pm: Edit Post

> 1) Rob Barraco -- come on folks -- if this guy isn't the shit, then who is. It's like having Pigpen, Godcheaux, Mydland and Hornsby all wrapped up in a nice, smiling package!

No doubt Rob barraco is good, but in trying to up the energy towards the end of Sunshine Daydream his loud pounding reminded me way too much of Vince.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Keyshawn Still Sucks (Keyshawnsucks) (208.201.191.194) on Monday, August 05, 2002 - 07:07 pm: Edit Post

I've just come back from a "lost couple o'..wellllll...several days" :) ...with NO computer available.
SKIP "Sugar Mag", Bucky?!
We gotta talk...


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By eric (Gnsbrgr) (64.12.96.232) on Monday, August 05, 2002 - 07:54 pm: Edit Post

> 1) Rob Barraco -- come on folks -- if this guy isn't the shit, then who is. It's like having Pigpen, Godcheaux, Mydland and Hornsby all wrapped up in a nice, smiling package!

now, i didn't get to hear the other ones's shows this weekend, but comparing rob to pigpen?
maybe as far as keyboard playing goes, but other than that...?
i think rob adds a wonderful element to plq, but no one will ever compare to pigpen imho.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Taperrob (Taperrob) (24.47.216.65) on Monday, August 05, 2002 - 08:47 pm: Edit Post

some observations before I get some needed rest:


>>>the "space" before drumz, is off of mickey harts album

That would be a good call on what they played. The set started with everyone on stage, with Mickey and Billy on the WAMU, then everyone else left the stage for the drumz.

>>>Was phil choking the lyrics on Box or what?

I think it more a choking of emotion coming out of Phil. The crowd did go wild when they went into it, and to me, it looked like he was holding back some tears, keeping his eyes closed through most of he song as he sang it.


Right after the song ended, Phil was motioning for everyone to come to the front of the stage, but everypne walked off. After about a minute, they all came back on stage, arms around each other side by side, doing a few kicks for laughs (ala the Rocketts), before they all bowed to the audience. After this, they all got into a circle hug right at center stage, holding each other tight and jumping up and down for a few seconds before bounding off the stage.


Set 1 from Sunday had so much of a PLQ feel to it; nice jamming, even though the jams were short. I felt the BEW was huge and done as only PLQ could do it.

They still need to work on some of the song transitions, they botched a few over the 2 days.

They also have to get into rhythm on the way Mickey sings the Fire on the Mountain. (I dont mind Mickey singing, he does relate well with the audience, as he always did during those monster Drumz portions of the shows)

I think the stage positioning of Phil/Bob/Jimmy was interesting. They had Jimmy setup closer to the audience, Phil more toward the back, and Bob somewhere in between. To me, it seemed that Phil could control more of the transitions, although he did use his monitor mic setup, as he does with PLQ. Phil and Bob were playing off each other and it seemed that when Bob was ready for a transition, he would give it to Phil to do it. I dont think its that much a big deal that Bob was not looking at Jimmy much, if at all.

Also, the 4 core members were setup in their GD spots. Many times, when the video would show a front view of the stage, it was only those 4 you saw. And isnt this what its all about??????


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Sean S. (Buzzassassin) (24.74.37.109) on Monday, August 05, 2002 - 09:05 pm: Edit Post

It seems like some people on the board wouldnt be happy if Phil came into their house with Bobby and played them a personal 60-minute Unbroken Chain>Playin>St Stephen>NFA>Sugar Mags. Who called that phatty Terrapin a "throw away"? Someone needs to take Remedial Dead Appreciation 101.

I for one thought the weekend (what I heard of it) really rocked and was good for the soul. In addition to the crowd singing full throat during Terrapin (clearly audible on the webcast), the vocal duet by Bobby and Phil through most of Box Of Rain to me said it all. Someone else commented on the emotion that Phil showed during that last song. And the group hug etc. - never saw the Dead do THAT. Really getting jazzed about the fall run...


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Paul (Prodl) (67.81.61.227) on Monday, August 05, 2002 - 09:20 pm: Edit Post

Ted and Sean, you guys are on to it. All you other sourpusses who can't get over the P&F comparisons are doing yourselves a disservice.

And the idea that Bobby was ignoring Jimmy! You've been watching too many soap operas! For chrissake! The rythym section clearly ruled the show and the guitars and keys were all getting their cues from the rythym boys, mostly Phil.

And Bucky, I'd still like to pound a few pints of #9 with you.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By mikepace (Mpace) (64.252.192.172) on Monday, August 05, 2002 - 10:31 pm: Edit Post

>>>>I think it more a choking of emotion coming out of Phil.

Thanks Rob, thats what I meant, man what a feeling that mustve been for him.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Huck Lewis (Huckberry) (162.83.190.45) on Monday, August 05, 2002 - 10:36 pm: Edit Post

I know it's weird for you people to come home and hear how we dug the webcast. For the Vibes...I was like...webcast? Like that could even come CLOSE.....but in some weird way, it is really cool. So before all the yea/nay/heyhey just want to give the people who made the webcast posible SPECIAL props. Thank You! The shows were historic in some landmark way...and that we could all HEAR them was terribly cool. Now, Tony's pics, I can SEE too...and LT's red X...but granted we would need Smellorama for the Delevan Super 8, no?

Someone said in the chat last night that if there had been webcasts back in the Day...he might have graduated on time...si si senor :)

But it's the people that are priceless...and that TERRAPIN! You guys sounded great....and the band did too. Always moving...forward...half a league, half a league, half a league onward....


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Steven Sears (Saintsteven) (198.81.17.168) on Monday, August 05, 2002 - 11:10 pm: Edit Post

Hey Everyone. Just got back from Alpine a few hours ago. Pretty crazy weekend for me. I did have the luxury of staying at a very nice resort close to Alpine though. We all decided Saturday morning to go in and catch Phil even though it was hot as fuck hot but we couldn't not go in to see him. The scene around Alpine was awesome. It was really smooth getting in to the venue and the parking lot scene was pretty laid back as far as police go. There were a few arrests but that is expected with a crowd this large.

I started drinking and stuff around 11 am to get a good buzz before I went inside. Beer was 6$ for shitty ass Miller Lite. Phils set was really good. He had the crowd grooving really early. I was surprised about how many people were there on Saturday that early. It was a really hot and along ass day to be on that hill all day. The scene inside was awesome. Only saw one bust inside but who knows how that started. There were a lot of people passing out from the heat though. We smoked freely and openly on both days which is nice. We went for shade during Mickey and came back out to fortify our spot for the evening. We actually skipped Warren because it was so packed in there we didnt want to lose our spot. That led up to what everyone was waiting for. At about 7:30 I ate the shrooms I brought in and waited for the night to go down. I was very pleased with the first nights set list. There were a lot of songs that I would have liked to hear that first night but they fuckin rocked so who cares. I like this lineup so much. It just seems like they have reincarnated themselves again. This was nothing like the other TOO lineups or sounds. They had a very unmistakable Dead sound that I just love.

Sunday morning no one was in the mood to get up very early at all but we knew the lots would fill up so we needed to get moving. Only a few of us left early and those were the tapers. They had to do!! ;-) The rest of us took off around 3 to try and catch Bobby and a little buzz before we went in. Sunday was not nearly as bad as Saturday. There was a nice overcast sky and no rain except for a few drops. The crowd inside seemed was already big at this point. It seemed a little more laid back until later that evening. I drank steadily on Sunday and caught a real nice buzz before I ate the rest of my shrooms. I was so pumped up and at the same time dissappointed it was going to be over. I would have liked to have stayed for a few more weeks. The atmosphere was great for both days. Everyone was partying and having and a good time. I was able to meet up with some friends that I haven't been to shows with for a few years. Sundays setlist was awesome. The first set rocked. I was really surprised to see a Fire there but hey I wont complain. The BTW was awesome and the Saint was awesome too. I called both. :-). The second set was even more amazing. The crowd was pumped up at this point. Eveyone singing along on every word. It was awesome.

Oh yeah how could I forget this about Saturday. The One More Saturday Night was out of this world. Perfect timing and a nice set ender.

This was my experience over the weekend. These two shows were stellar and should only get better as they practice this fall before the tour. I just hope they make a full time job out of this. I have seen Phil and Ratdog many times. Phil more than Bobby but I like both equally. PLQ has been awesome but I would rather see this TOO lineup anyday. It was a blast and sounded great and I will be out there this fall. Peace everyone


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Brian Stash (Brian1977) (172.137.164.132) on Monday, August 05, 2002 - 11:49 pm: Edit Post

Does anyone have a CD of the second night at Apline? I couldn't get on to listen and I'll be pumped until the TOO show in DC. Does someone have it on CD? I have The Other Ones from September 2000 at Nissian Pavillion, in Bristow VA. I also have Phil and Friends at DAR Constitution Hall in Washginton DC, on April 24, 2001....To trade. This show is sweeeeeeet. If someone can help me with this.. please..e-mail Brian at brianstash@aol.com... thanks


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Rudy Fernandez (Pr_Philhead) (64.158.239.224) on Tuesday, August 06, 2002 - 02:44 am: Edit Post

What a great time in music (at least our music). It is so awesome to see these guys getting along so well and making great music again (with a little help from some nice FRIENDS). I hope that by the time Fall tour rolls around all of you who have blessed us with your bashing of the lineup, Bobby, Phil's singing, Mickey's singing, etc. find something better to occupy your time with. With a little bit more playing time together, who knows what this band will be able to do. It's not like any of these guys were in the Grateful Dead or anything crazy like that!?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Bucky (Bucky) (130.132.243.107) on Tuesday, August 06, 2002 - 02:47 am: Edit Post

>>>>Rob Barraco -- come on folks -- if this guy isn't the shit, then who is. It's like having Pigpen, Godcheaux, Mydland and Hornsby all wrapped up in a nice, smiling package!


Rob, if it really was him, once posted here that he knows how lucky he is to be playing with Phil after all those years in clubs & realizes most musicians aren't so fortunate.

The guy is a good keyboard player, & it seems to me that his style is close to & highly influenced by early Brent, circa '79-'81. He seems to be playing the same setup as Brent did then.

But get real now. Better than Hornsby alone? Not even including Kieth in his prime? that's absurd - the same kind of mindset that will make 90% of you think these shows were the greatest thing since sliced bread......

BEW awesome?
All 4 minutes of it???????


>>>>. Who called that phatty Terrapin a "throw away"? Someone needs to take Remedial Dead Appreciation 101.

That would be me.
Terrapin is the most over rated song in Dead history IMHO.
So many lyics, so little improv. The ending jam is the same thing played over & over & over, again & again & again......

But then again, I hate Stella :(


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By LJ S (Mrmegabuzz) (24.169.66.203) on Tuesday, August 06, 2002 - 03:08 am: Edit Post

.....I didn't go to Alpine last weekend but I had sex both nights instead...it was good but it could have been a lot better...trying to rekindle the magic after all these years of being together then spawning a few kids was quite an undertaking....the first night kisses were kinda tentative but once we got our groove on they got more passionate...though a few were a bit sloppy and sometimes there coulda been more tongue...the segue into foreplay was totally overrated and IMHO should have been skipped all together...the strokes and caresses just didn't live up to what I was used to when we were first dating back in the day (first no roommate weekend and also trip to Cape Cod in early 80's are fine examples)...the lead into heavy petting was intense...once the zippers were undone, things started to heat up and there was lots of movement and moaning and groaning...my ladies vocals weren't quite what they used to be like when the neighbors would bang on the walls telling her to quiet down, but hey everyone mellows with age...then again maybe my fingers were missing a few beats here and there...the stroking was reaching a feverish pitch unlike previous outings until the phone rang and everything seemed to go limp...it was time for a bathroom break anyhow and to mix another drink...the facilities were unexpectantly clean given the number of kids that had been milling about earlier and the vodka was rather tasty even though its getting so expensive...

...after chatting with old friends on the telly, the connection was bad, and swilling a few more cocktails, the houselights were dimmed and the lovelight was turned on...we quickly went into a 69 which used to be introduced on only very special occasions but now it seems as if everyone is doing it, and not to mention a lot better...well, basically the blowjob sucked...a few tasty bites here and there and some good licks but I have had better (Stella in '86, Sunshine in '95 and Sally last year...both nights)...the reciprocal came up somewhat dry but there were a few peak moments when it seemed the old spark was there...finally it was time for dancing in the main aisle...I think my brown eyed woman was more interested in the weather report than my jack straw...so I popped a little blue pill and we started doing that rag...having that extra addition, a little help on the way, certainly made up for some previous bad events, but I know that if anyone of my old girlfriends was around it would have been great...I could have done without the real thing and had some loose lucy instead...I'll take raw new sex anytime over the greatest hits version...the encore was predictable as usual...a tired version of gimmee some loving followed by a flabby version of mounatins of the moon...

....all in all, the whole evening was mediocre...hopefully the tape will allow me to pick up on some of the subtle nuances...most of my previous dates went much better...still it was better than a blow up doll and on par with a canine and a jar of peanut butter...but there is no comparison to that really hot chick I met one night a long time ago...if only I hadn't passed out before I got to introduce myself...


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Bucky (Bucky) (130.132.243.107) on Tuesday, August 06, 2002 - 03:23 am: Edit Post

What in the world are you babbling about?

What's the over/under on the mics you ingested this weekend?

About 250 & 1/2.

I'm taking the over.....
:)


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By sharon (Althea01) (64.12.96.232) on Tuesday, August 06, 2002 - 04:00 am: Edit Post

MrMegabuzz-
That was HYSTERICAL!! Thanks for that, from another slightly older, well, ok, plain ole' elder 41 yr old.. Hee hee!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By gideon (Mobetterdead) (68.60.0.157) on Tuesday, August 06, 2002 - 06:07 am: Edit Post

lol


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By sjf (Irisguy) (63.208.82.82) on Tuesday, August 06, 2002 - 09:00 am: Edit Post

how do you follow THAT? give the man a towel...

TaperRob thanks for the clarification on Phil using the mic setup...very interesting...and i thought i heard that emotion in the Box, too, he was ready to burst...

Sunday was MUCH better to my ears, Jimmy gaining confidence moment to moment, everyone finding their spaces...a band found itself...and it was GOLD..you could hear it from mid-Cassidy on...

During Black Throated it bacame clear to me how perfectly Jimmy fits into this band...he sounded like 73-75 Jerry, when Jerry also used a Strat and had a clear, bright tone. This is no surprise because with Jazz is Dead this is the exact period Jimmy covered..Wake of the Flood, Blues for Allah..Phils current sound reminds me of that period these days, too. it was a cool blend because the two keys reminded me of 90-91 and the drums sounded 90ish...it was like a mixer of most styles and periods i always loved about the GD, minus the MIDI effects..

The jam out of Eyes really got my attention...Jimmy was playing those scat chords Jerry would play 73-74 and i almost expected Phil to break out a solo...then Jimmy unleashed a serious of cascading notes that gave me goosebumps and had me clearing the table from my living room for dancing space..

During the Playing in the Band jam it became extra crystal clear...this band is a new beast and it has a voice of its own...

Djangoman, i am glad you dug the difference and you know what, it is very cool that Phil is leaving that quick jam switch and quick study exploration of different themes for PLQ, thats their special sauce. TOO rides the big ole waves, moves in directions in their own way and ways yet to be discovered and thats cool. These guys all bring to the plate what they've learned in the days between in terms of fresh approach, thats enough.

"make new friends but keep the old, one is silver and the other gold"


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Sean S. (Buzzassassin) (199.43.48.16) on Tuesday, August 06, 2002 - 09:19 am: Edit Post

Anyone who "hates" Stella and bashes Terrapin like that is no Deadhead in my book. Look pal, the band thinks well enough of Terrapin to name the entire weekend after the song. As far as Stella....I wont even go there. There ain't no time to hate my friend.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By greg (Gregschmegg) (216.86.32.234) on Tuesday, August 06, 2002 - 09:22 am: Edit Post

MrMegabuzz-
cant wait to "run into" you again!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By paco (Number5) (156.145.113.122) on Tuesday, August 06, 2002 - 10:18 am: Edit Post

>>> But then again, I hate Stella


... say it ain't so


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Keyshawn Still Sucks (Keyshawnsucks) (64.252.14.83) on Tuesday, August 06, 2002 - 10:31 am: Edit Post

Stella Blew...always did...always will!
"Morning Dew"..."China Doll"..."Wharf Rat" were ALL better in that "Slow Jerry" slot after the Drums...than "Stella"...or "Peter" for that matter.
There "ain't no hate" here...just stating a "feeling".
As for "Terrapin"...there's only so much that can be done with it...there's no room for a REAL improvisational jam, such as in what can be done in the tune that preceded it Sunday Night..."The Eleven", or came after it..."Let It Grow".
Does it possess the "Jammability" of a "Playin"...an "Other One"...a "Dark Star"...a "Viola"?
Hell..."Cumberland"...and "Mason's" have more to offer than "Terrapin", in THAT regard.
THAT'S what I'M lookin' for in the music...
The JAM.
Now...that's NOT to say "Terrapin" is a BAD tune..far from it...but up there with the "Greatest of The Great"?
:)


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By stankmonky (Monkystank) (172.142.198.160) on Tuesday, August 06, 2002 - 10:51 am: Edit Post

>jimmy sounds like mid 70's jerry or whatever etcfire. of course it doesn't matter that the reality is it's really baracco >micky shrieking. details details. I'm sure the party at alpine, for those who were there, was awesome. hey i've been to alpine. i actually saw the actual grateful dead at alpine. yea i'm old school. and i remember thinking as i closed my eyes and listened to jerry playing those nights, hey man, he sounds like an early 2000 jimmy herring. rock on garths.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By stankmonky (Monkystank) (172.142.198.160) on Tuesday, August 06, 2002 - 10:53 am: Edit Post

>jimmy sounds like mid 70's jerry or whatever etc
actually herring sounds more like a mid 70's jon mclaughlin of mahavishnu orchestra running his fingers up and down the neck at warp speed. i think herring played more notes over the weekend than jerry played in his whole career. he is the polar opposite of jerry. i think i finally get it. 99% of the postings here are from babes who unfortunately aren't old enough to have seen the dead or started seeing them in the 90's and are dying to try to live some of that mystery, magic of the past. i don't begrudge you that. to each his own. to you guys it's just a setlist. hey man dig the bew>fire. of course it doesn't matter that the reality is it's really baracco >micky shrieking. details details. I'm sure the party at alpine, for those who were there, was awesome. hey i've been to alpine. i actually saw the actual grateful dead at alpine. yea i'm old school. and i remember thinking as i closed my eyes and listened to jerry playing those nights, hey man, he sounds like an early 2000 jimmy herring. rock on garths.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Georgie1 (Georgie1) (168.191.50.102) on Tuesday, August 06, 2002 - 11:02 am: Edit Post

>>one is silver [TOO] and the other gold [P&F]

I'll jump to the defense of my Connecticut comrade here. First of all, he's entitled to his opinion. And I happen to agree w/him. I'd also venture to say that after the fall tour, many of you who were blown away by the shows this weekend will be clamoring for the return of P&F.

Here is the progression: After hearing so much P&F the last couple of years, along comes Bobby sitting in and everything sounds "different." I remember how much I loved 12-3 at the time. Hearing Playin' again. Or the beautiful Jack Straw at Bonaroo. Bobby makes wonderful contributions with his songs, voice, energy, even the guitar. I go back a long way w/Mr. Weir. Have seen all of his incarnations, except the original Kingfish, and have always enjoyed him.

When you add another drum and keys to the mix, it's gonna sound really "different." But does different = better. No, to these ears, different ¹ better. Different = worse. Warren brings so much to the table that his subtraction is not overcome by the addition of the others. That's just my opinion, of course. I could be wrong.

Someone said P&F is "GD on steroids." Well, that's about right. If you prefer the sound of the Dead, fine. But if "on steroids" means more powerful, more intricate, more intense -- then that just happens to be what I like. Barry Bonds did hit 73 home runs on them.

Will reserve final judgment until after seeing a few shows in the fall. Why don't you just go to the shows, have a good time, and forget about comparisons, you might ask?

Because I like comparing things.

P.S. I do disagree w/Buck on at least one thing though. Terrapin. Have you heard 1-15-79, Springfield, MA? Or 12-11-79? Check them out sometime. (The amazing debut, 2-26-77 is still my favorite.) And wasn't the one at the Vibes pretty jammed out at the end?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By EssEphReek (Essephreek) (140.244.145.229) on Tuesday, August 06, 2002 - 11:18 am: Edit Post

>>>Terrapin is the most over rated song in Dead history IMHO.
>>>So many lyics, so little improv. The ending jam is the same thing played over & over & over, again & again & again.....

Although Terrapin's improvisational potential has been expanded by PLQ, it's true there's not a lot of room there -- but I think that makes it a good counterpoint to the more open jams. The fact that the ending jam occurred to Jerry in a single "vision" as he drove across the GG Bridge in my hometown also makes it dear to my heart. Still, if you think that the ending jam the "same thing" over and over again, your missing quite a lot of subtle variation.

>>Anyone who "hates" Stella and bashes Terrapin like that is no Deadhead in my book

But c'mon. Deadheads are allowed to have songs they love and songs they don't.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By gideon (Mobetterdead) (68.60.0.157) on Tuesday, August 06, 2002 - 11:21 am: Edit Post

yes...but terrapin has been the launching pad for so many GREAT ("improv")jams into drums

i wonder where key and buck weigh in on DEW, not much jamability but epic nonetheless(?)


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By stankmonky (Monkystank) (172.142.198.160) on Tuesday, August 06, 2002 - 11:31 am: Edit Post

one last thing, i've seen some great and i mean great plq shows (beacon, sunrise, baltimore cc), i've seen ratdog (dewey), seen other ones, seen darkstar orchestra, and i've enjoyed them all. but don't delude yourselves, no matter how much you liked them or how good a time you had, none of them resembles in any shape or from the dead or garcia. if that was the case, if anyone could resemble garcia then he really wouldn't have been that special. the fact is, he was a freak of nature as much as say hendrix. a once in a liftime gem/occurance. so unique so amazing. to bad he didn't talk more because when he opened his mouth it was so original. so there was only one and will never be another. enjoy what's out there today because it's today and jerry's gone. but don't fool yourselves because i've seen and heard jerry and these guys aint no jerry.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Keyshawn Still Sucks (Keyshawnsucks) (64.252.14.83) on Tuesday, August 06, 2002 - 11:42 am: Edit Post

Yep, Gid...you're right...there isn't much "Jamability" within "Morning Dew".
But the song ITSELF (it's topic as well as the actual notes behind the words) IS an EPIC, DRAMATIC piece of music, and if played "right"...the ending Double Time CRESCENDO is unrivaled in anything The Dead do (or had done) save for "Viola", which most often does not end WITH that crescendo.
Tell me that ANY "Terrapin" can REMOTELY compare with say, the "Morning Dew" from 5/26/72...5/8/77...9/2/80...9/23/82 to name just four off of the top of my head.
:)


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By gideon (Mobetterdead) (68.60.0.157) on Tuesday, August 06, 2002 - 11:55 am: Edit Post

right on key...and i'll name one more,from somewhere you like to hang, msg 9/18/87...just DEW it! :)


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Jack Stevens (Darkstar71) (64.214.210.1) on Tuesday, August 06, 2002 - 12:02 pm: Edit Post

Hey Now,

I have never posted on Philzone before, but heres my take from Alpine :).
The 1st night I thought was a bit tighter almost like they had a better sense of the structure of these tunes. I thought Jimmy was very tasty all night playing the notes that had to be there but still exploring his own ideas for the jams.The fun they were having on stage was just infectious(sp) watching Bobby laughing and smiling as Jimmy rolled off some tasty runs was a treat.
The 2nd night was I would sum up as heavy very trippy stuff you know the kind of stuff that just messes with your head :). For those who couldnt attend at the end of Let it Grow , Phil was trying to keep them unstage it appeared but I think they kinda of blew themselves away and werent to sure what to do next so they exited the stage. This made for a shorter pause I think since they basically just smoked our brains and then kinda of left us out there wandering. The Sugar Mag was powerful Phil kept urging Bobby into some of the rock star strutting and Bobby didnt let down,they were booming , Phil Laying down bombs all over this,it was loud enough to melt earwax from my seat in about 24 th row center.
Overall the 2 days was a real treat this lineup could do some amazing things no its not the Dead with Jerry and its not PLQ this is its own beast one that seemed to be able to wander into the X-factor regions and seemed at home being there :)
I for one will be making a effort to see some of the fall shows.
Peace


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Paul (Prodl) (64.244.223.246) on Tuesday, August 06, 2002 - 12:02 pm: Edit Post

>>i think i finally get it. 99% of the postings here are from babes who unfortunately aren't old enough to have seen the dead or started seeing them in the 90's and are dying to try to live some of that mystery, magic of the past.

I was just figuring out the same thing, my friend. I wonder how many GD shows many of the folks on this board have seen?

And, Bucky, Terrapin is synonomous w/the Grateful Dead. As are many other, very different songs. That's the beauty. They didn't have just one sound. But that doesn't mean you have to like it. By why bother to make the point, is all I'm wondering?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By stankmonky (Monkystank) (172.142.198.160) on Tuesday, August 06, 2002 - 12:06 pm: Edit Post

DoTheDo
4/15/78 William & Mary (ask Molo about it he was there as a student, now that's synchronicity) this version so monumental the band retired it for a year and a half until 11/8/79 cap ctr.
(this version translates to tape, you've never heard anything like it, however beware you may never be able to listen to phil sing it again, proceed at your own risk, this will put goosebumps on your arms and make you break down and cry like a little baby.)


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Keyshawn Still Sucks (Keyshawnsucks) (64.252.14.83) on Tuesday, August 06, 2002 - 12:15 pm: Edit Post

I was gonna include that one from MSG, I KNEW it was in September of '87..but I couldn't think of the exact date....so I didn't mention it.
I like to be wholly accurate.
The William & Mary one too.
Like I said...it was just four off of the top of my head...I think those...AND the ones you guys mention, go some towards proving the point.
:)

And...for the record, since its been mentioned...I clock in at 42 years old...saw my 1st show on September 1, 1979, at what was THEN known as Holleder Memorial Stadium in Rochester, NY...however my total Dead show tally stands at a paltry 55.
Being married with children and a blossoming "career" had something to do with that...but MORE had to do with other than a brief stretch in '90-'91, I thought that after '84-'85...they were, for the most part, mere caricatures of themselves.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By gideon (Mobetterdead) (68.60.0.157) on Tuesday, August 06, 2002 - 12:24 pm: Edit Post

i'll add one more... very underated dew 3/23/92 ,MI

>>>I was just figuring out the same thing, my friend. I wonder how many GD shows many of the folks on this board have seen?

come on now,i know a few who haven't seen the dead but know more about the "music" than some of the cats that did tour. regardless of how many shows zoners have seen(many have seen alot),this board is extremly well versed on the music(we have all the tapes)...kinda like ny sports fans


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By stankmonky (Monkystank) (172.142.198.160) on Tuesday, August 06, 2002 - 12:33 pm: Edit Post

seeing the dead was no easy proposition. for every good show i saw i probably saw at least three stinkers and i mean stinkers. i flew all the way across the country to see one of the worst shows ever performed. a mardis gras concert when weir croaked the entire show becasue his dog died or something and he lost his voice from crying or something like that. i saw what has to be the worst show ever at the rocks when someone jumped off the cliffs beforehand and died and the show sucked and then it rained and they moved the next night to mcnichols and everyone turned it into a who concert and stormed the place running through the glass windows. you want one more of the worst shows ever, try alpne 6/22/88. listen to the stella. they are all playing a different song in a differnt time at the same time. you'd never listen to that and believe they were the same band that was capable of coming back the very next night to laser you with a dew som epic you felt as though you were melting. so yea the dead sucked A LOT> but man when they were on...!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By gideon (Mobetterdead) (68.60.0.157) on Tuesday, August 06, 2002 - 12:45 pm: Edit Post

imo if you did (or listen to) a whole tour or tours,they proved on a consistant basis why they were the only game in town

plus the people who like licorice,REALLY like licorice


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By EssEphReek (Essephreek) (140.244.145.229) on Tuesday, August 06, 2002 - 12:46 pm: Edit Post

Yep, the Dead could suck way worse than I've ever seen PLQ play, though of course they could soar a lot higher than PLQ too. My worst:

Grass Valley, CA, 1984 (or 85 -- sorry no exact date): after an especially weak Terrapin, in which Jerry muffs several parts, Jerry practically nods out during the ensuing jam, and Phils storms off the stage.
Just Bobby, Jerry, and Brent come out for space at first, then Phil comes out and essentially throws a temper tantrum with his bass, playing angry space way WAY louder than the other musicians. Followed by a Wharf Rat in which a pale and weak Jerry repeats a verse...


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Annie (Antoinette) (24.185.137.141) on Tuesday, August 06, 2002 - 12:53 pm: Edit Post

DoTheDo
4/15/78 William & Mary
EEEhaaaa~
Lots of peyote around for that one.
Got the tape hanging somewhere, just might pop that in..hehe


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By sjf (Irisguy) (63.215.226.208) on Tuesday, August 06, 2002 - 12:56 pm: Edit Post

yawn....'scuse me...my favorite Dew is Brenden Byrne '88...i think it was 3-30...jerry is practiaclly crying, his voice shaking so hard w/emotion

stank, w/jimmy i was referring to tone, not speed...try to read 1st, then move on to know-it-all and you just may "get it"...strat=tone, it doesn't play itself..thanks

different doesn't always have to mean better or worse...its just different...explore and enjoy!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Annie (Antoinette) (24.185.137.141) on Tuesday, August 06, 2002 - 12:57 pm: Edit Post

Hey when you live on the road and stage everyday.
Your bound to have your ups and downs.
Don't you?
You don't want to ask my kids that "?".


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Annie (Antoinette) (24.185.137.141) on Tuesday, August 06, 2002 - 01:01 pm: Edit Post

~~~I wish all my days were perfect~~~~~~~~


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By stankmonky (Monkystank) (172.142.198.160) on Tuesday, August 06, 2002 - 01:12 pm: Edit Post

annie, when you lay your head down and pop it in enjoy the whole show. for my money the 1/2 step, deal and bew are unsurpassed. and you're right the gym was one big peyote/mushroom cloud. and to think it was parents weekend. no wonder they were never allowed back.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Bucky (Bucky) (130.132.243.110) on Tuesday, August 06, 2002 - 01:15 pm: Edit Post

>>>Someone said P&F is "GD on steroids." Well, that's about right. If you prefer the sound of the Dead, fine. But if "on steroids" means more powerful, more intricate, more intense -- then that just happens to be what I like. Barry Bonds did hit 73 home runs on them.

Is that a low blow aimed at SJF (Giant's fan)?
I was thinking Bonds wasn't on steroids.
Then, I saw him pick up that Twin's outfielder at the All-Star game, over his shoulder like he was a five year old, then I watched him batting - check out those arms......
So, a day or 2 later, I'm looking at Baseball Digest, & there's this picture of Bonds from when he first joined the Giants. The difference is like Mark Maguire when he first came up with the A's & then 1998 when he broke Maris' record. And, we all know what Maguire was doing....

For the record:
I loved Morning Dew, was at the famous 9-2-80 show.
Many of the times I saw it, however, Jerry just didn't deliver the classic double-time ending after '82, coming up a little short. That's disappointing......

For P&F or TOO's to do it without the big ending is a shame. Play it right or shelve it for good.....

The key phrase on Terrapin: 'Launched many great POST Terrapin jams in the 90's'. Note POST. So did He's Gone.

Please don't compare P&F's version to the Dead's/TOO's. P&F with the spanish jam & such, get alot more out of the song. The GOTV version was not so great; see Roseland 4-3-01. That's great.

And, they called the event Terrapin Station?
What else where THE OTHER ONES (named the band after that, lol!), going to call it?
Dark Star Station?
St Stephen's Place?
Shakedown Street? (Wait, I might have something there)


While I'm at it, another rant:

Why is it EVERY time Key or I say "The setlist looks weak", we get "Don't you know you can't judge a show by the setlist?"
Yet, whenever somebody not at the show says "Killer setlist!" Nobody says a word?
:)

Or if I say "The playing wasn't that great, just good.", somebody will say "The list looks great."
Or, I'm accused of saying it sucks.......


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Rich (Leviticus) (138.88.133.253) on Tuesday, August 06, 2002 - 01:17 pm: Edit Post

Look fellas, the bottom line is it was nice seeing the boys together at Alpine, but it will never be the same. I was there, and the vibe was very good, but the music was marginal...thats not to say I didn't enjoy things, because I did...and I am sure I will catch some east coast shows.

I beg to differ with whoever said that Dew was not a jamable song...of course we can all site Cornell 77, but even in the later years Jerry belted out some fabulous Dews. And as for Jack Stevens above, I'll tell you what happened in the Let it Grow, Jimmy Herring had no clue where he was going...so it fell apart....plain and simple...same thing happened in multiple other tunes. Quick picking can only rock so far...thats where Jerry was so unique...it was the melodic rifs that sent tingles up your spine, and the best part was he could intermingle them within the jam/picking itself...I miss Jerry :-(

Here is a nickels worth of free advice fir the band...LOCK HERRING IN A ROOM AND MAKE HIM LISTEN TO BOOTLEGS FOR A MONTH of the greats shows of 77, 85, and even 91 with Bruce...then he will instinctively know where things needs to go. I witnessed him being utterly confused as to how to take the band to an appex at Alpine Valley, and I fear that things will remain the same unless the other ones make some changes.

Bottom line is, there was magic in the air at Alpine, but it was primarily from the event itself, not the music...in my humble opinion


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Annie (Antoinette) (24.185.137.141) on Tuesday, August 06, 2002 - 01:42 pm: Edit Post

Nice humble opinion Rich,
I also miss Jerry, things will never be the same~only different.
( I wont go there good, bad or worse)

COOOOOOl friend just droped by with goodys from Alpine.
Enjoy your day!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Bucky (Bucky) (130.132.243.110) on Tuesday, August 06, 2002 - 02:01 pm: Edit Post

>>>Bottom line is, there was magic in the air at Alpine, but it was primarily from the event itself, not the music...in my humble opinion

That's just what I was trying to say in my overstated way......

People in the chatroom were saying "Awesome" 4 seconds into a jam. Really, now, come on.
Then again, in between sets both nights, they played some of P&F's set (You could hear the difference immediately). They start Strawberry Fields & less than one minute in, this guy say "I love this version". I ask "How do you know? It just started." "Oh, I never heard them do it before."
So, he's never heard it, but 30-60 seconds into it, he KNOWS what he hasn't heard will be awesome? I find this mind set to be a common Deadhead trait.

THe 4 original members could've come out & farted in unison & walked off stage & just about everyone would've thought it was the best show in 7 years.

The setlists would say:

*First Fart in 4 part harmony ever!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Keyshawn Still Sucks (Keyshawnsucks) (64.252.14.83) on Tuesday, August 06, 2002 - 02:05 pm: Edit Post

LOL...yer killin' me!
:)

By the way:
This is Post 515 on this thread.
"Inside outside, leave me alone..
Inside outside, no one is home.
Inside outside, where the F**K have I BEEN...
OUTTA my brain on the FIIIIVE FIFTEEN"!
:)


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Georgie1 (Georgie1) (168.191.42.200) on Tuesday, August 06, 2002 - 02:07 pm: Edit Post

Hey Irisguy, I re-read your post and sort of missed the point about the "cool blend of various styles." If this Other Ones line-up evokes different periods through the years it's a good thing because the Dead's sound certainly changed, depending on the personnel, instruments, effects, etc.

In that way, they'll be able to do some things that P&F don't do, as you describe, and it will be interesting and enjoyable to hear.

But P&F is different from either TOO and GD in one way. The two, killer up-front lead guitarists (who can play rhythm when needed). Other than the occasional shows w/guests (PG, DA, JC, etc.) we didn't hear too much of that with the Dead. Guess I'm going through a Warren infatuation--took me some time to appreciate him--but when he's combined with Herring, it's the hydrogen bomb.

I'll hit the fall tour with an open mind. But from what I've heard so far (not much, admittedly), P&F still the GOLD.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By stankmonky (Monkystank) (172.142.198.160) on Tuesday, August 06, 2002 - 02:11 pm: Edit Post

>plq wasn't as good in the beginning.
totally disagree. the jams on their first tour were as good as anything they've done. the old songs (viola etc. were new, surprising and exciting and their jams wer as long as anything they've done. i've got versions of low spark (24 minutes), little light (14 minutes) wheel (23 minutes) that still haven't been beat. that first tour was SPACEY! i'll never forget at bmore molo wanders onstage sits on his stool and then as the lights go down molo rises from his stool pauses slips on his shades (remember this was indoors at night, but he was saying get ready this is gonna be heavy) and then sat back down and began. 30 mintes in and they had only played one song DEW. that first tour was SPECIAL. it was almost like losing your virginity all over again.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Keyshawn Still Sucks (Keyshawnsucks) (64.252.14.83) on Tuesday, August 06, 2002 - 02:19 pm: Edit Post

Hell, Stank...I, just yesterday evening, was listening to the "Opening Jam" from 11/13/99 (Warren and Derek) at the Continental Airlines Arena...it runs a FULL 22 MINUTES before Phil sings the first word of "Get Together"!
Now...THAT'S JAMMIN'!!!!
:)


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By stankmonky (Monkystank) (172.142.198.160) on Tuesday, August 06, 2002 - 02:30 pm: Edit Post

right on keys. that's what i be talkin bout. at bmore we also had the haynes/trucks duo and that remains one of my favorite combos.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Jack Stevens (Darkstar71) (64.214.210.1) on Tuesday, August 06, 2002 - 02:31 pm: Edit Post

"I'll tell you what happened in the Let it Grow, Jimmy Herring had no clue where he was going...so it fell apart....plain and simple...same thing happened in multiple other tunes. Quick picking can only rock so far...thats where Jerry was so unique...it was the melodic rifs that sent tingles up your spine, and the best part was he could intermingle them within the jam/picking itself...I miss Jerry :-( " said by Rich

Bro your preaching to the choir about Jerry ,I was just pointing out that for what ever reason the ending of Let it Grow was weird and that Phil was trying to keep them on stage to smooth it out, I think if they had followed it up with Sugar Mag right away it would have smoothed it over a bit more.
I agree Herring got lost on any number of jams but then again its only 2 shows and IMO not a bad start theres room here for this band to grow and only getting shows under its belt will it get better.
As far as locking Jimmy in a room and make him listen to bootlegs, Why? theres no way he can win if he did learn and cop all of Jerry's lick s people would scream,What I hope Jimmy gets better at is building a solo within the structure of the tunes and learning how to drive the band with it, and realize that sometime less is more :)
Anyways it was still a good time and gives this almost 40 (with 150 plus Dead shows, 1st show Glens Falls ,NY 79)hopefully another band in which to hear the music I love played.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By stankmonky (Monkystank) (172.142.198.160) on Tuesday, August 06, 2002 - 02:44 pm: Edit Post

>that first tour was special.
no it was spaceual.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Tim (Tjw) (68.5.33.2) on Tuesday, August 06, 2002 - 02:57 pm: Edit Post

KEY, Giants looked good last night on MNF.
Today might be a good day to lose your Vinny gear and get some NJ-Giants BLUE!!!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Keyshawn Still Sucks (Keyshawnsucks) (64.252.14.83) on Tuesday, August 06, 2002 - 03:00 pm: Edit Post

LOL...
GET the f**k oudda here!
LOL
:)
They beat an Expansion Team in that Teams' FOIST EXHIBITION game!
Yeah...they're a-makin' me tremble!
AH HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!
:)


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Rich (Leviticus) (138.88.133.253) on Tuesday, August 06, 2002 - 03:15 pm: Edit Post

Hey JS, thanks for the input..I think we both agree the shows were fun and had their moments...I guess what I meant by the "locking herring in a room comment" was more to give herring direction...I wouldn't want a perfect mock of jerry (well, maybe, but I won't go there). I just thought that for the first time in a long time we had a situation where, instead of bobby chopping things off, JH more or less became lost, and the jam was forced to ease down (before it ever got to that pinnacle of magic..and that was a shame...and was more or less the function of the lead guitarist IMO).

I caught the boyz about 60 times from the late eighties on...I wish I was at some of the magical shows of the 70's and 80's..but as a true enthusiast, I have listened to them all. I think this band has the possibility of being darn close to the real thing...but lets face it, we go to shows to have a good time and groove...perhaps I am greedy, but I wish I was able to groove a little more on sat and sunday, but hopefully I'll get my fix this fall, cause I will attend a few of the gigs...as for the PLQ comments, I think Phil's band is great, but I would take TOO over them anyday...I still get tingles when I see Phil and Billy grimace at each other...and while some find bobby annoying, I think his vocals can help ignite the band and transend time, music, and boundries


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By stankmonky (Monkystank) (172.142.198.160) on Tuesday, August 06, 2002 - 03:21 pm: Edit Post

foget the rest, the redskins now have st. steven (with a rose) superior. we are the new beast in the east.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Rich (Leviticus) (138.88.133.253) on Tuesday, August 06, 2002 - 03:52 pm: Edit Post

yeah stanky...yeah, thats the truth!!!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Paul (Prodl) (64.244.223.246) on Tuesday, August 06, 2002 - 03:52 pm: Edit Post

>I agree Herring got lost on any number of jams but then again its only 2 shows and IMO not a bad start theres room here for this band to grow and only getting shows under its belt will it get better.

that's a point I've been making since BEFORE Alpine: give the boys some time, and then let's see what we all think.

As far as bad shows, I've seen the Dead many times (~130) and I have a hard time recalling a worse one than Boreal (85, I think), near Truckee. We flew out to Reno w/very little money and nowehere to stay just for that show (and to spend a week hitchhiking around Tahoe). It was an afternoon show, and it was typical summer mountain weather: 90+, bright sunshine. Well, let me tell you, Jerry really sucked and the show was awful.

But that night (or maybe the next?) a bunch of heads clued into a little joint right on the Truckee River near Alpine Meadows where Thunder & Lightning was palying (Nick Gravenites and John Cippolina) and they provided more than ample quality music to make our week (4 sets, I recall).


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Brian K (Briank) (216.204.109.18) on Tuesday, August 06, 2002 - 04:03 pm: Edit Post

>>THe 4 original members could've come out & farted in unison & walked off stage & just about everyone would've thought it was the best show in 7 years.


Maybe, maybe not. Here's my "review." The energy a band puts off is part of the live experience. As we all know, the Dead had an energy that often transcended their playing. There's no doubt that TOO have and put out an energy that I've yet to see since 1991. This only added to the show. On saturday there was a general feeling of excitement before TOO went on. On Sunday there was a general feeling of anticipation and electricity before TOO went on, just like in the old days. People were on their feet well before the band came on, and a few of those anticipitory cheers went out. We could all feel the power that this band has to offer.

Energy aside, the music was right on. Sure Bobby whiffed the lyrics to TOO, but would would a reunion be if he didn't? The Estimated was as good as I've ever heard. Raw power!!! Sure, it took a few songs for the band to get in synch, but by Stranger it was all there. When Phil, Mickey and Billy were in finally the same groove it all came together for the whole band.

Here's my only negative comment, and I'm sure it will be unpopular. The only glaring defect to TOO is Phil's vocals. The band is too good and tight for them. There's no doubt in my mind that he killed Birdsong and Dew. Coming off rockin' intros I expected something more. What we got was Phil singing mostly out of key. The general audience was deflated by Phil's vocals, and it showed in crowd response. With PLQ his vocals are fine, but not with this band. A tune or two is cool, but leave most of it to Bobby, Rob or even Mickey!

Ah, and then came the Sunday post-encore group hug and jump up and down. I looked up and saw it on the video screen, looked over to Crypt and said, "That's pretty much the gayest thing I've ever seen!" He concurred!!!!

So, no, it wasn't perfect. This act is only going to get better and it's going to force the other bands to play better. Many, many said it was the best PLQ show of the summer. I'll admit that I thought Ratdog was better than PLQ at Alpine. Karan and Bobby were both on the ball. I attribute it to TOO. I guarantee that TOO in indor arenas will be like nothing we've seen in over a decade!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Back Home (Pacis) (68.38.129.183) on Tuesday, August 06, 2002 - 04:43 pm: Edit Post

Keyshawn:

A bit off topic, but funny that you mention the 11/13 show from Continental - I was just thinking about it the other night and there was some powerful stuff going on. My wife and I attended and it was our first experience with P&F. After fifteen minutes of that opening jam, she turned to me, with a big grin on her face, and asked, "Are they ever going to sing anything?" Sums up PLQ pretty well and what keeps many of us coming back for more.

Oh, but I don't miss Wish You Were Here being removed from the rotation.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Chris Ball (Barleycorn) (12.220.220.113) on Tuesday, August 06, 2002 - 04:45 pm: Edit Post

Hey ya'll. I thought I'd share something a friend of mine wrote on the way back to KY from Alpine. If you like it drop him a line at Thinkbink@aol.com


Terrapin

Rolliní down the road through driving sheets of rain
Found what we were looking for with even more to gain
Summer time has come to an end
But autumn winds are around the bend
We thought this would be just a weekend affair
Like temptation from a beautiful stare
But this isn't no quick fix no fools gold
Thereís plenty of stories left untold

The book was unfinished and laid to rest
But now itís open since we passed the test
Letís write some chapters with a magic pen
Since the Other Ones are asking, ďWere have you been?Ē
A little bit older and a lot more stable
Letís add some character to this magic fable
Letís bring our friendships and desire for the song
Weíve been waiting way too long

Shake our bones and share our dreams
Sounds are flowing like a stream
Celebrate when the whistle calls
Cool down when the hot sun falls
Down beneath a western sky
These days itís such an easy high
Just knowing that weíve got a chance
To carve out that olí mystery dance

bink


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By august west (Masshead) (65.96.220.254) on Tuesday, August 06, 2002 - 04:46 pm: Edit Post

as long as there is a little football talk going on...no one is gonna stop my team, the Patriots. Some might have thought last year was a fluke, but this year they will all know it was for real


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By EssEphReek (Essephreek) (140.244.145.229) on Tuesday, August 06, 2002 - 04:50 pm: Edit Post

Paul, I retract what I said about Grass Valley. I was at Boreal as well, and it indeed stunk even worse.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Keyshawn Still Sucks (Keyshawnsucks) (64.252.14.83) on Tuesday, August 06, 2002 - 04:51 pm: Edit Post

Back Home:

It was my 2nd P&F show...11/10/99 in New Haven being the first.
I concur with your Wife's and your own sentiments COMPLETELY.
:)


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Johnny Ray (Energy_Love) (209.205.177.234) on Tuesday, August 06, 2002 - 04:56 pm: Edit Post

>>>This is why you never saw "Let Mickey Sing" signs.

Actually there were 'Let Mickey Sing' stickers on the first Further tour...frickin' hilarious

>>>saw my 1st show on September 1, 1979

Yuck! another 'disco head' :)

Yeah this is when it got trendy to be a deadhead and the dead went commercial. I've noticed alot of 'Disco heads'='Disco Dead' and Touch heads on this board too.

To bad you guys weren't born a little sooner then you would know what the Dead is REALLY all about.

Opinions are great, wonderful, even fine and dandy, but you gotta remember the way an individual percieves the musical experience is completely subjective. The younger folks want a taste of that magick as well. I say let them have it with grace.

Oh by the way...

'You folks are the Grateful Dead now. The rest of us are merely the Other Ones.'

R. Hunter

Which includes a 17 year old kid(s) spun out on Pharmies, just waiting to 'get shown the light'


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By nerdalert (Nerdalert) (12.149.218.245) on Tuesday, August 06, 2002 - 05:07 pm: Edit Post

Ya Stank--Hail to the Redskins baby.

to all you misguided fools who would choose TOO or Swhwag Dog(BrianK probably plays air guitar to artificial flowers) you guys need to head to ratdog zone and stop spewing your garbage around here. The Dead are finished. It was great while Jerry was here but now it's over. PLQ is moving forward and getting better. The new CD kicked major ass and is leading this band to a higher level.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Paul (Prodl) (64.244.223.246) on Tuesday, August 06, 2002 - 05:17 pm: Edit Post

nerdalert, you're boring me. next thread...


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Keyshawn Still Sucks (Keyshawnsucks) (64.252.14.83) on Tuesday, August 06, 2002 - 05:18 pm: Edit Post

Johnny Ray:

Make NO MISTAKE about THIS:
I am NO "Discohead"!
THAT, if you DID know me, is an ABSURD STATEMENT to make.
To ME, what The Dead IS about is the JAM.
The "Dark Star's"..."The Other One's"...the "Lovelight's" from '69-'70....
The "Viola"...the "Dancin" from Harper College 5/2/70...THAT is The Dead.
The "Truckin">"Other One">"Morning Dew">"Sugar Mag" from the Winterland 12/31/72...THAT'S The Dead.
The "Playin'" from 6/8/74...THAT'S The Dead.
THOSE styles of Jammin' listed above is what I look for out of The Dead.
"Disco", those are not.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Johnny Ray (Energy_Love) (209.205.177.234) on Tuesday, August 06, 2002 - 05:43 pm: Edit Post

Why is it EVERY time Key or I say "The setlist looks weak", we get "Don't you know you can't judge a show by the setlist?"
Yet, whenever somebody not at the show says "Killer setlist!" Nobody says a word?

People tend to want to balance out the negatives, plus these are peoples musical heroes. So they are going to stick up for them and whatever they decide to play.

Here's a real question...How come jockheads/wannabedeadheads insist on mixing sports talk on a message board created for music discussions? Try www.ESPN2.com


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Johnny Ray (Energy_Love) (209.205.177.234) on Tuesday, August 06, 2002 - 06:05 pm: Edit Post

So you're telling me you knew and heard about all the shows listed above before your fisrt Dead show in '79?

I'm sure your first Dead experience was Shakedown Street via the local radio station.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By James (Fishwater) (205.157.110.5) on Tuesday, August 06, 2002 - 06:08 pm: Edit Post

"Here's a real question...How come jockheads/wannabedeadheads insist on mixing sports talk on a message board created for music discussions? Try www.ESPN2.com"

Because this is a community discussion board and in a community there are many things that go on. So if we want to talk about sports in our community we have every right to. Johnny lets try not to be so negative,there's no need for it. If you don't like what is discussed here maybe you should go and try to find another board.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Johnny Ray (Energy_Love) (209.205.177.234) on Tuesday, August 06, 2002 - 06:21 pm: Edit Post

Well then the same goes for Keyshawn and Bucky being negative about shows and/or others opinions.
If I gotta go then they gotta go.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Johnny Ray (Energy_Love) (209.205.177.234) on Tuesday, August 06, 2002 - 06:48 pm: Edit Post

OK let me rephrase it. I should have not have used the name calling.


"Here's a real question...How come people insist on mixing sports talk on a message board created for music discussions? Try www.ESPN2.com"


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Headlight (Headlight) (144.160.0.83) on Tuesday, August 06, 2002 - 06:49 pm: Edit Post

>but granted we would need Smellorama for the Delevan Super 8, no?

Just pull out an old stash box of something good Huck and you won't need the Super 8 "Smell O Rama". the place smelled like the Kind from Friday night until Sunday, probably Monday AM...

>What in the world are you babbling about?

I thought Mr Megabuzz's post was hilarious and dead on what I expected to ehar from people who were not even at the concert. Oh wait you had a webcast, well I guess that's the same as being there at least in terms of critiquing the setlist/show itself.

>i'll add one more...

So will I, Orlando FL 4/8/91...

No wait the Dead didn't play anything good in the 90's, no wait, I never saw Jerry play at the Family Dog, so I must not know anything about the Dead's music, no wait I never did a complete tour in 78, so I must not know my ass from crypt's socks!

Get over yourselves!

>explore and enjoy!

Pearls before swine Scott!

>as a true enthusiast, I have listened to them all.

Guess I forgot one, I'm not a true enthusiast either.

>I'm sure your first Dead experience

Whatever, my first Dead experience was a 4 way hit of Orange Barrel. I'm still experiencing it...


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Johnny Ray (Energy_Love) (209.205.177.234) on Tuesday, August 06, 2002 - 06:56 pm: Edit Post

Mommy! He did it first :(


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Johnny Ray (Energy_Love) (209.205.177.234) on Tuesday, August 06, 2002 - 07:02 pm: Edit Post

>>>Whatever, my first Dead experience was a 4 way hit of Orange Barrel. I'm still experiencing it...

Well shit you can't argue with that.

I'm having trouble getting over myself this afternoon.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Headlight (Headlight) (144.160.0.83) on Tuesday, August 06, 2002 - 07:06 pm: Edit Post

Sorry, thought I'd got all the negativity out of my system this weekend!

Guess it didn't take long to get back to a source! Only sorry the source was here, where I try to go for the opposite side of the emotional scale.

On the positive side, not one of the Zoners I met was the least bit negative, regardless of their own particular circumstances of which there were a plethora...


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Keyshawn Still Sucks (Keyshawnsucks) (64.252.14.83) on Tuesday, August 06, 2002 - 07:38 pm: Edit Post

Johnny Ray:

My first "Dead experience" was spent trippin' on Green Windowpane up on Mt. Killington in Vermont during Memorial Day weekend '79, with a friend who was into The Dead, and several of HIS friends.
We listened to tapes the WHOLE 3 Day weekend. Of those tapes...one was 12/31/72...one was 10/18/74 (the Phil & Ned "Electronic Chicanery">"Dark Star">"Morning Dew")...one was a very recent show at the time...New Year's '78, the closing of Winterland.
THOSE THREE stand out...there were plenty of others.
At the end of the weekend I was enthralled by the intricacies of the music...which piqued my curiosity into wanting to see what this was all about...LIVE...for myself.
Which I did, 3 months later.
As for the Sports Talk, scroll up...you'll note that it was NOT myself who initiated that on this thread today. I merely replied.
When either Bucky or I critique, which we have every right to do...it is because we have seen/heard just exactly what these guys...in their various incarnations, ARE CAPABLE OF...first hand.
When we feel we don't get the EXCELLENCE, we are critical...yet when their performances are SUPERLATIVE we are QUITE LAVISH with praise, (i.e....Reviews of 7/5/02...7/14/02...7/18/02, for the most recent.)
We only expect the BEST...what is wrong with that?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Keyshawn Still Sucks (Keyshawnsucks) (64.252.14.83) on Tuesday, August 06, 2002 - 07:58 pm: Edit Post

By the way...
When I DID hear "Shakedown" on the Radio...before the Weekend I describe above, I laughed it off as "Nonsensical PUSSIFIED tripe".
Me...The Who Head...Zeppelin Fanatic...listen to THAT CRAP?!
BLECCCCH!
Only after I heard those tapes did I even begin to understand the INCREDIBLE HEIGHTS as well as DEPTHS that The Grateful Dead could musically take you.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Bucky (Bucky) (130.132.243.113) on Tuesday, August 06, 2002 - 08:55 pm: Edit Post

Hey, Key, we went to the same first show!

Seperate & unknown to each other until we arrived from the same home town, 400 miles away....
:)

And I knew NOTHING about the Dead, including Shakedown St.
A very mediocre show, but if you're 'wired' to like this music, you are enthralled regardless of the QTY of the performance.
Conversely, Key took a friend to Hartford P&F last summer & the guy thought it was OK but isn't rushing to return....


>>>>Oh wait you had a webcast, well I guess that's the same as being there at least in terms of critiquing the setlist/show itself.


The music's the same.
If we said it was all AWESOME, would you be complaining (if this is complaining) that we only heard the webcast?

I mean, I wasn't at the Fillmore East in 1970, but I could somehow tell they were pretty good shows on tape. :)

BrianK: Just out of curiosity, How many times have you seen P&F? Burlington, correct? Any others?
My question isn't to be taken as 'deroggatory', I'm just wondering how much grounds for comparison you have to say it's the best thing you've heard since '91, that's all.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By John Lamwersiek (Unclejohn) (207.150.66.250) on Tuesday, August 06, 2002 - 09:14 pm: Edit Post

Thank you for a real good time, "Boys"!!! Wow, what a great long weekend it was for me!!! PLQ @ The Fox on Thurs., TOO @ Alpine Valley on Sat. & Sun.!!! I thought the Sunday show was the best of the three shows, with the PLQ show @ The Fox coming in second, the show on Saturday was very good, but after seeing PLQ @ The Fox it just couldn't measure up to what PLQ played at The Fox. The local news here in St. Louis, is reporting that the roof of The Fox Theatre was found today, laying in a corn field in Springfield, Illinois. I think that PLQ played their best show ever at The Fabulous Fox in St. Louis!!! I recommend that everyone get this show on tape!!! I also want to thank the "Boys" for playing B.T. Wind & Uncle John's Band on Sunday @ Alpine!!! Peace, Uncle John


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By philmeup (Philmeup) (24.228.72.197) on Tuesday, August 06, 2002 - 09:35 pm: Edit Post

>>THe 4 original members could've come out & farted in unison & walked off stage & just about everyone would've thought it was the best show in 7 years.

Actually, that DID happen before, at Landover 9/2/88, but it wasn't NEARLY as good as when they did it with Pig at Filmore East 5/15/70.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By philmeup (Philmeup) (24.228.72.197) on Tuesday, August 06, 2002 - 09:38 pm: Edit Post

>>I, just yesterday evening, was listening to the "Opening Jam" from 11/13/99 (Warren and Derek) at the Continental Airlines Arena...it runs a FULL 22 MINUTES before Phil sings the first word of "Get Together"!

That jam was my intro to P&F. Me & friends were sitting on the lower level at the opposite end of the Arena. About 2 mins. into it, I tell them, Let's move closer, this is the real deal! I went with low expectations because I'd read here on Philzone that Kimmock had quit just a few days earlier. Little did I know how lucky i was to get Warren & Derek for my first Phil show.

Would love a copy of this set if anyone's up for a trade.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By LJ S (Mrmegabuzz) (24.169.66.203) on Tuesday, August 06, 2002 - 10:07 pm: Edit Post

>>>>What in the world are you babbling about?

.....an analogy referring to that jaded super group from the past called Whines of Distinction....


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Travis in Chicago (Letitshine) (205.188.209.169) on Tuesday, August 06, 2002 - 10:33 pm: Edit Post

some rise .
some fall .


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By gideon (Mobetterdead) (68.60.0.157) on Wednesday, August 07, 2002 - 12:46 am: Edit Post

>>>I have a hard time recalling a worse one than Boreal (85, I think),

>>> I was at Boreal as well, and it indeed stunk even worse.

yes this was a sad day indeed,as it was the last time the boys would grace us with Day Job

yeah i like Day Job...so sue me :)

GO BIG BLUE!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Bucky (Bucky) (130.132.243.47) on Wednesday, August 07, 2002 - 01:42 am: Edit Post

You're right, I was just seeing how many buttons I could push.

The truth is, it was the greatest music I've ever heard in my life.

I'm kicking myself in the rear end because I didn't spend $1000 for Mrs B & I to hear a one minute Supplication & my 36th Saint of Circumstance. Not to mention versions of Dark Star TOO, St Stephen & The 11 that weren't as good as the ones I just saw which were practically in my own backyard a few weeks ago.

Please, someone try to talk me through the pain I'm feeling right now.
Send me some positive vibes, as phatty as that Terrapin was Sunday, to help out my karma, man......


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Bucky (Bucky) (130.132.243.47) on Wednesday, August 07, 2002 - 01:49 am: Edit Post

Oh, before I go to my grief management group, Philmeup, I have an EX copy of 11-13-99, but it's on cassette.
Most copies from that tour leave a little bit to be desired, as it was all stealth taping. This copy was so good, I didn't even bother trying to find it on CD as the chances of getting anything as good were next to nothing.

Anyhow, e-mail me if you're interested....


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By JustAnother (Deadhead) (63.208.42.193) on Wednesday, August 07, 2002 - 03:51 am: Edit Post

Went to the Fox.
And it was better than half the actual Dead shows I ever saw.
Phil Lesh can't sing for shit, and he never could.
Weir is a mediocre guitar player with a short range tenor voice he has always tried to push too hard. Musta been takin' lessons from Donna.

In the end, even Jerry sucked.

What did the DeadHead say when he finally got sober?
"Jesus, this band sucks."

But then again, I was front row center for Terrapin at MSG in '79...blew my fuckin' socks off. As did that Shakedown encore in Seattle same year.
And a hundred other songs in a hundred other venues on a hundred other nights.
Anybody see that "Other One" with Eddie Brickel in the late 80s at MSG?
Or when: Dylan/Santana/Sting/Willie/Winwood/Miller/Stills/The Nevilles/Popper/ThatSaxPlayer/Marsalis/...or who ever the fuck that guy was...came out and jammed with the boys?
Yes, I saw Stephen Stills come out at Brendon Byrne and do "Love the One Your With" and Phil went nuts on it.
I even saw the real St. Stephen...in and out of the Garden he went.
Or the night in Nassau in the early 90s when the sound fucked up and Jerry got pissed and walked off stage...only to come back and burn the house down with "Meet You in the Pourin' Rain" into Aiko?

Saw Bob Weird with that silly band he had in the late 70s...what the fuck was it...Pow-wa-pow-pow pow-wuh-pa-pu-pa-pow...oh just shut the fuck up!

Yup, was there when the kid died at Giant's Stadium in '78...and ran the gates at Red Rocks, when the kid died in '79...and it was the FUCKING NEW JERSEY STATE POLICE THAT KILLED ADAM KATS!
But that show on Bobby's birthday in 89 was the last truly great dead show...uh, well maybe Giant's the next year with that "Foolish Heart" with all the lightning around the stadium...er, no, it was at the Knick when Bret kicked it out on "Never Trust a Woman"...or was it that Sunday Silver Bowl in Vegas, '94?

Fuck, I don't know.

All I know is that the show at the Fox was about as good as it gets. I've seen Warren Haynes with the ABB at the Beacon a dozen times, and with Gov't Mule playing from a trailer free outdoors.
Warren ain't no Jerry, but the man can sing, and play like a mother fucker...and I still say his performance at the Fox was better than half of the times I saw Jerry...because half of the times I saw Jerry he was a doped up horse head.

Don't make him a bad person, we just sang the lyrics so he could remember.

And as for Phil and Friends? Hey, ya catch them shows with Paul Bereire and Billy Payne? DAMN! Dixie Chicken and Dark Star!
But what about when Little Feat opened for the Dead in Maine and Jerry went off with Phil from Crazy Fingers into that Seagull/Seashore jam as the sun was setting and...oh shit, I'm flashbackin again. Damn.

The Dead were the best, and the worst band I ever saw. And much of what made them the best was the bass playing of Phil Lesh. Listen to Phil and Friends in any incarnation with a trained Dead ear and you will see that he was as much, if not more of the sound of the Dead than Jerry was. And certainly more of their sound than Weir was...name me one major killer show after 1978 that was a "Bobby" show.

You can't. Because it was when Phil and Jerry were in tune and going off that the band was the best.

Gimmie' the Tragically Hip at Irving Plaza any night, Gimmie Miles Davis at the Beacon, or Frank Zappa at the Paladium on Halloween (remember the Dancin' Fool?) or even Andres Segovia at Avery Fisher Hall.

Hell, just hit a good zydeco band on a hot night.

The Dead are Dead. Jerry was the driver on that bus (wheather he liked it or not) and it killed him. It also killed Brent, and Pigpen. I think it was a telephone pole that killed Keith.

They ain't the Dead. Get over it, you can't bring back the past.
You can, however, wrap the past up in a pretty pink box with bows and sell it for 39.95 complete with an annotated history of the Grateful Dead and all the many wonderful friends they have.

The Dead are no longer, no matter what you call the rest of them when they get together to play.

But the Music lives on...and as we all know, its one in ten thousand that comes for the show.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Jake Howard (Jakeh75) (12.231.117.75) on Wednesday, August 07, 2002 - 03:59 am: Edit Post

I haven't posted on this list for quite some time...so long in fact that I had forgotten my original postname and password and had to create a new one. Just too much negativity here for me...and yet, like those people who watch "cops" on television, I just keep reading all the nasty posts.

I had to make a post today, because second set Sunday rocked me in a way that I hadn't expected. I came in with very (VERY) high expections...and had them met in every way. Let me paint the picture for you:
I finally found the flat spot at Alpine. Left side (my left side) about fifty yards up from the beer/food/water venders. Second set starts with some nasty scary space...Phil looming large and Mickey and Billy bring the beautiful back...adn then into drumz...watching my boyz stare into each other's eyes and rip it like back in the day and then...oh my god...is it really...PLAYIN'!!!....Jimmy and Phil connecting with me like there was a wire straight to my brain (not to bring the negativity...But JIMMY IS THE TRUTH...and despite the vocal power that Warren brings to P&F there is just no way to fully appreciate the beauty of Mr. Herring when the Mule Man is on stage with him) and then into a Banyan Tree...a song a never cared for ...BUT GAWD DAMN Jimmy made it sound like a classic...then the Playin tease and OH SHIT a WHEEL!!!!!!...Jimmy played it the way it was supposed to be played with the boys leading the way...and the Playin' Reprise?!?!?!?! for those who were not there...let me tell you...this IS what you remember....I promise. This first segment was one solid compostion. The interplay between the drummerz, Bobby, Phil and Jimmy was constant and fluid throughout. I danced like I hadn't (at least not with as much pure joy) since the beautiful beared man left us. Everything from there on out was great...but it was the beginning (and Jimmy's work on Let It Grow) that did me in. There is no band that can create the magic that these boys do. Phil and Friends rock my soul...and so does (despite all the critics) Ratdog (and the dog DID play a set far superior to P&F this weekend) but the magic...that pure beautiful magic was something missing from them both. Something I didn't realize was missing until I finally experienced it again. Thank you boyz...and thank you Jimmy......

Jimmy is the truth. "All HE lost he shall regain"

At the end of the show on Sunday I cried....cried like a baby. Something I did almost every time I saw Jerry (the nightly ballad got me, if nothing else) and something I hadn't done since. Those who were there...and listened...and opened themselves up to the interchange (one that no other band has ever achieved) know exactly what I'm talking about.

Thank you boys! And thank you to the attending family! Without all of you I could not have turned back the years in a way a desperately needed (and yet did not know I needed)

On to the fall. Hope to see the postivity that I've come to expect from family (and experienced again...finally...this weekend.)


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Rudy Fernandez (Pr_Philhead) (63.185.225.213) on Wednesday, August 07, 2002 - 04:38 am: Edit Post

I'm glad that the vibes on this board are returning to their normal, upbeat selves. I never saw the Dead. In fact, I kind of hated the Dead. The songs were too long, the lyrics made no sense, and they weren't on MTV! Of course, I was 14 years old and still mourning the loss of Kurt Cobain when Jerry passed. Luckily, things have changed. I've been very fortunate. Thanks to the internet and a high speed connection, I have a collection that a lot of tapers would be jealous of. I fell hard for the Grateful Dead, which basically means that I listen, read, and research them more than I do for most of my classes (P&F tours really kill the grades). Because of that, and people like you, I feel like I know them pretty well. I feel pretty confident in my ability to tell the difference between a shitty show and a great one. So please don't knock on us youngsters trying to have our own magical time. For the most part, we have a pretty good idea of what we're talking about. What happened this past weekend was a preview. It was good, and for people like me, the closest thing to the "Real Thing" as we'll ever get. The Fall should show what this band is really capable of.

ps- The Eagles still rule the East

ps2- aren't you glad people my age still have something better to talk about then when Phish is getting back together?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Mountain King (Mountainking) (216.166.229.234) on Wednesday, August 07, 2002 - 09:05 am: Edit Post

a couple of items.....first, phil's singing...let's be real folks, it does suck....I found this rationalization somewhere on this board:

"Chris, I totally agree, and feel the need to add to what you have said here: To me, it's not so much the quality, but rather the sincerity (meaningfulness) and credibility (Phil as a driving and creative force from the GD's inception, having lived and weathered the many, many miles and years with the band/family) of the singer that truly gives the music its mood/feeling/meaning . . . just as he plays, he does lay it down vocally, too. Maybe a bit rough at times, but always rock solid."

what's the line?? the road to hell is paved with good intentions?? sure, when I try to sing, I really MEAN it, but does that mean anyone's going to listen?? these guys are PEFORMERS which means they need to be GOOD!! if the man can't sing on key, have decent phrasing/timing, and have a SENSE of volume, he shouldn't be on the mic!! mr. weir has the same "history" w/ the "band/family" as phil, but this poster seems to think phil has somehow "earned" more over the years....BS!! btw, that "phatt terrapin" was a travesty due to the hatchet job that phil did to those sweet lyrics.....the WORST I've ever heard....

second, you people are a bitter lot, I tell you....this whole "PLQ" (or is that PLO??) condesention is absurd....musically, I love their vibe, but as soon as phil opens his mouth it is over for me (and for any non-tone deaf being)....


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Brian K (Briank) (216.204.109.18) on Wednesday, August 07, 2002 - 09:07 am: Edit Post

>to all you misguided fools who would choose TOO or Swhwag Dog(BrianK probably plays air guitar to artificial flowers) you guys need to head to ratdog zone and stop spewing your garbage around here.

Now you're being silly. I only play to real flowers.

>>BrianK: Just out of curiosity, How many times have you seen P&F? Burlington, correct? Any others?

5 live P&F shows altogether, and I've loved every one. For me, P&F captured an essence and spirit that was missing in my little universe, and they still do. But, Bucky, this incarnation of TOO captures something else for me, and it's something I can't put my finger on. There's a "familiarity" that the band exudes and that I feel inside. The raw power and tightness of the rhythm section (Phil, Billy, Mickey and Bobby) is inescapable. Jimmy, Rob and Jeff are all at the top of their game, and there's still that certain je ne sais quois.

Interestingly, many, many people said Alpine was the best P&F show of the summer tour. This astounded me because I know I've heard better both live and on tape. Instead of the jams getting tighter they are becoming more sloppy and meandering. Many jams have no links to the song at all, Phil has to talk in to the microphone, then they come to a dead stop before getting back to the song/tune at hand. Frankly, I find this annoying and disruptive to the flow. A No Quarter jam have hints of No Quarter, just as a Dark Star jam should have hints of DS.

Ratdog used to have this exact same problem, which they've evidently now worked through. Many, many, myself included, said Alpine was the best Ratdog show they've ever heard or seen. Karan was simply incredible, as was Bobby. The jams were tight and focused.

So, Nerdalert, if you're too shallow to recognize quality of play, so be it. You're the kind of fan that kills a band. You don't ask for or expect anything more than they give you, and you're content with that. I have very high expectations of P&F and 90% of the time they meet those expectations. Hey, I'm paying $ and have a right to expect a level of play. I'm still pushing for that other 10%. Ratdog, in the past, was iffy as to whether they could meet my simple expectations, so I stopped seeing them. The show at Alpine showed me a side of them that was pretty incredible, and I will now see them again and expect that level of play.

As for TOO, I had no idea what to expect and really had no expectations. What I got was unbelievable, a feeling that I never imagined I'd ever have again. I'm not alone. I know thousands of others felt it, and I also know that more than a handful of Zoners felt it.

Just because this is the Philzone I'm not going to censor myself and give a better review of P&F than other acts that played better that weekend. I'll leave that to the rest of you fans that don't want to push their favorite artists, whom they pay good money to see, to achieve higher goals.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By stankmonky (Monkystank) (172.133.130.184) on Wednesday, August 07, 2002 - 10:19 am: Edit Post

well this should make some prospective ticketlookers happy, me and my other have just cancelled our hotel room reservations and will skip the other ones. we were going to see one show in our own backyard and one on the road. but we were both so disappointed with the two shows at alpine we've decided to blow it off. not even interested in our hometown show. i wouldn't go see plq in a hockey barn and i wouldn't go see ratdog ina hockey barn so just because you put the two together minus it's strongest points and added two dead drummers, one who now takes up a singing slot a night screeching horribly, we've totally lost interest. i know that breaks your heart. however, enjoy our tix. when plq returns to theatres and ratdog returns to even smaller clubs, we'll see you then.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By John Tallmadge (Jht) (24.44.194.106) on Wednesday, August 07, 2002 - 10:24 am: Edit Post

>we've totally lost interest

then I would say you are doing the right thing by taking a break - enjoy!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Headlight (Headlight) (144.160.0.83) on Wednesday, August 07, 2002 - 10:26 am: Edit Post

>(if this is complaining)

It wasn't and wasn't aimed directly at anyone... Just still a bit on the unwinding side.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Brian K (Briank) (216.204.109.18) on Wednesday, August 07, 2002 - 11:04 am: Edit Post

That's the idea Stank. If you don't like the band or music don't waste your time and money. Interesting concept that I wish more would try to actualize. Nothing bugs me more than a Head who goes to a show knowing that it will suck and complaining about it before and after the show. Christ, I virtually stopped seeing the GD in 1990 because the music was too often not worth my money. Instead of complaining I stopped seeing them, giving myself nothing to complain about.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By A Brooks (Skoorb) (63.79.100.2) on Wednesday, August 07, 2002 - 11:24 am: Edit Post

>I beg to differ with whoever said that Dew was not a jamable song...of course we can all site Cornell 77, but even in the later years Jerry belted out some fabulous Dews.

Couldn't agree more. Check out Alpine 7-19-89, and the Charlotte show from the same year. Great Dews from the later years. Jerry absolutely took over these versions.....they still give me chills.

As far as the weekend goes....it was exactly what I expected. I did not expect to see the Dead....that ship has sailed. However, there is a LOT of great music left in these guys...and I for one am very happy they have decided to put their differences aside, get together and enjoy making music.

PLQ is AWESOME. I have had the pleasure of seeing this lineup 10 times and they are always tight. Friends of mine have said that PLQ is like the Dead if they decided to practice. Even the members of the original band realized that sometimes, they SUCKED. Isn't this why we all kept going to show after show...because when they didn't suck and they played an inspired show..there was absolutely nothing like it. I am reading Dennis McNally's new book and there is a story related there about a show where Vince Welnick is standing during set break looking very dejected...when one of the Dead family (can't remember who it was) noticed him and said "don't worry about it...this is a band that truly sucks sometimes".

Anyway....anyone who goes to a PLQ of TOO show expecting to see the Dead will be unhappy. However, if you go with the expectation of seeing the tunes we all love being explored in new ways with some new players thrown into the mix will be quite satisfied. Much like the generation that got to see the Dead create new vibes in the late 60's and 70's, we get to see these new bands create new vibes. What better gift could we ask for.

For those of you who feel the need to bash this player or that, this song or that.....it is your priveledge to do so.....but my advice is to take it all less seriously....get lost in the music.....don't make comparisons, you will most likely be disappointed....realize how lucky we all are to experience these shows.

That said....I really do miss Jerry.....


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By heynow592 (Heynow592) (64.252.62.33) on Wednesday, August 07, 2002 - 11:25 am: Edit Post

After 1990, I only went to one show a year (just to keep in touch). The shows were not enjoyable at all - very lame. I can remember being at my last show (6/22/95 - Albany) and wondering why I continued to come!!! With Phil and yes, Ratdog,
I now am back to a more frequent schedule and enjoying it. If the tunes and times are troublesome to anybody, do not waste your time and energy on it. Life is short and we will all be dead soon enough - no use being unhappy!!! Thank God none of these bands are the Grateful Dead because the Grateful Dead was a lousy band at the end!!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Paul (Prodl) (64.244.223.181) on Wednesday, August 07, 2002 - 11:51 am: Edit Post

>For those of you who feel the need to bash this player or that, this song or that.....it is your priveledge to do so.....but my advice is to take it all less seriously....get lost in the music.....don't make comparisons, you will most likely be disappointed....realize how lucky we all are to experience these shows.

there you have it; words of wisdom (or maybe just plain old common sense!)


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Sean S. (Buzzassassin) (199.43.48.16) on Wednesday, August 07, 2002 - 01:15 pm: Edit Post

Stank - Good riddance. Stay at home moping and enjoy your collection of Warren and PLQ bootlegs while the real Heads are out enjoying the positive vibes and good music from a group of guys (TOO) who are excited to be together playing the music that made them rock and roll legends.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Keyshawn Still Sucks (Keyshawnsucks) (64.252.14.83) on Wednesday, August 07, 2002 - 01:29 pm: Edit Post

I have what I think is a fair question:

In months previous, when its been mentioned , "Gee, we'd rather not see many, if ANY new songs played at a show...we want the old tunes...the GREAT tunes..."Dark Star"..."The Eleven"..."Viola"..."St. Stephen"..."The Other One", etc."....the predominant reply was invariably, paraphrasing now, "This is NOT The Grateful Dead...how can they further themselves by sticking to the old stuff...its time to move on..if you want to see a Dead Cover Band, go see Dark Star Orchestra".

Now...we're being presented with THE QUINTESSENTIAL Grateful Dead Cover Band.
If we all agree that The Other One's are NOT The Grateful Dead, which they CANNOT be, minus one Fat, White Bearded Guitar Player...WHY NOW does the prevailing consensus here seem to confirm the OPPOSITE to be true?

Now...I'm just posing the question...and I DO think its a fair one.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Brian K (Briank) (216.204.109.18) on Wednesday, August 07, 2002 - 01:44 pm: Edit Post

Ultimately Key, I don't really care what they play as long as they play it well and give me my money's worth. I will say that there is a high level of familiarity to the Dead covers, which makes them more accessable to me, be it Ratdog, PLQ or TOO.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Cryptical (Cryptical) (63.197.61.4) on Wednesday, August 07, 2002 - 01:56 pm: Edit Post

If I had my druthers, I'd take Phil and Friends over TOO just to spare myself being subjected
to Mickey's Toy Box.


Even Ratdog was bearable in WI.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Keyshawn Still Sucks (Keyshawnsucks) (64.252.14.83) on Wednesday, August 07, 2002 - 02:07 pm: Edit Post

See Brian...we (myself and Bucky) found that P&F played WHAT and HOW we had always hoped The Dead would play back when we were seeing them on a regular basis...'79-'84.
And every time we would say we would rather them play the "Dark Stars'"..."The Elevens'"...etc...and keep the "Again and Agains'"...the "Rock and Roll Blues"...and the like, we were met with the paraphrased reply above.
Now, while I agree what they DO play they should give a MAXIMUM effort to playing it well, it seems to me that the prevailing attitude is now EXACTLY what Bucky and I have been saying, and have been rebuffed for, for months.
Witness SeanS's comment in his post above at 10:15am today:
a group of guys (TOO) who are excited to be together playing the music that made them rock and roll legends.
I am simply bemused at the fact that what WE have been saying all along, is NOW OK, because a Rhythm Guitar Player (Bob), and two Drummers (Mickey and Bill) are playing the music along with Phil, instead of Warren and John Molo playing with him.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Keyshawn Still Sucks (Keyshawnsucks) (64.252.14.83) on Wednesday, August 07, 2002 - 02:08 pm: Edit Post

LOL...Crypt...the "Voice of Reason"!
:)


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Brian K (Briank) (216.204.109.18) on Wednesday, August 07, 2002 - 02:34 pm: Edit Post

>Even Ratdog was bearable in WI.

Dude, you were noodling to Minglewood and Corrina with a big smile on your face, and even wanted to jack a dude for his skirt. Bearable? You were in extacy!!!

I hear what you're saying Key, but give TOO a chance. This lineup has a different sound than PLQ. It's less raw and perhaps a bit (or a lot) more Dead-like. That's why it seems everyone wants all the classics, all the time. But shit, even the Baba Jango and Banyan Tree were smokin!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Keyshawn Still Sucks (Keyshawnsucks) (64.252.14.83) on Wednesday, August 07, 2002 - 02:43 pm: Edit Post

Oohhh..we'll be goin'...to "The Woild's Most Famous Arena"..Madison Square Garden.
New Yawk always seemed to bring the best out in 'em....what better place to see the proof in the pudding?
:)


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Brian K (Briank) (216.204.109.18) on Wednesday, August 07, 2002 - 02:48 pm: Edit Post

I don't think you'll be disappointed Key. They're pretty damn impressive!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Bucky (Bucky) (130.132.243.57) on Wednesday, August 07, 2002 - 02:52 pm: Edit Post

BrianK: By all means feel free to bash P&F if that's what you think.

As Captain Kirk once said, those who don't like 'negativity' can "Go to the devil!"... :)

I went to P&F with low expectations after last Fall's fall & the setlists this spring with all the new songs & 'killer' breakouts like Candyman & SOTM.....

And, P&F blew me away 3 out of the 4 shows I saw - just like the good old days of 1999-2001.....

I'm listening to Mason's Children from Jones Beach right now..... :)

But I think Key makes a good point.
We get accused left & right of 'being stuck in the past', called 'crusty old farts', etc. for not embracing the new direction of P&F.


Then, the 'GD Reunion' $how$.......

And, all the sudden, all these people who wanted (us) to move on to something new are in love with the past?

I think, if you can look me in the eye (figuritively) & tell me Sugar Mag, UJB, Jack Straw or Music Never Stopped were awesome, you were listening with rose colored ears, because it sure didn't sound that way on webcast.
As for the person who said it was the 'best Estimated they ever heard', they need to throw on ANY show from 80-81. Try 3-9-81 as it's widely circulated.

BTW, I never said these 2 shows weren't good. They often were, & sometimes they were great. But sometimes, they were far short of that......


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Brian K (Briank) (216.204.109.18) on Wednesday, August 07, 2002 - 03:14 pm: Edit Post

>BrianK: By all means feel free to bash P&F if that's what you think.

I don't think I ever bashed them. As you know, any negative reviews on this board can and will be taken as bashing. You've often been on the end of that stick. I often have a problem with the lack of direction of some of PLQ jams. To me they can seem like jamming for the sake of jamming; not to add to the song. I also believe that Phil killed the Birdsong and Dew with his vocals on Saturday. Is this bashing or was this just my non-rose-colored critique?

Wouldn't bashing be, "PLQ sucks because they can't hold a jam," or, "Phil's voice sucks and he should never sing"? I've never said neither. I'm just a fan giving my opinion to a bunch of other fans.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Steve Franklin (Frankl) (65.59.22.115) on Wednesday, August 07, 2002 - 04:07 pm: Edit Post

Thanks Llucy and Dossman! You two made these shows all that and more! And Thank you Phil for the St. Louis show!

FRANKL


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Wachootalkinbout (Willis) (66.66.209.58) on Wednesday, August 07, 2002 - 05:22 pm: Edit Post

"YOU are the Grateful Dead now, we're just The Other Ones." - R. Hunter 8-4-02

Bucky - You are awesome - those tapes helped our journey to Alpine immemsely -listened to 'em twice -C.C. Rider -Oh Yeah!!! Thanks


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Robert Hubanks (Averagewuster) (161.225.1.12) on Wednesday, August 07, 2002 - 05:33 pm: Edit Post

Key and Bucky,
i too am all for the classic tunes, but one thing we all seem to miss in this conversation about the new album tunes is that these are songs that these guys wrote together.

it's bonding material for them- and they can shape and mold them how they like.

keeps it fresh for them, yeah? that's kinda important, yeah?

listened to the new album on the way to work this morning, and some of it is actually starting to grow on me. 1000 stars has good tempo, again&again has delicate harmonies in the verse, couple other tunes in there aren't so bad. if i could handle queen jane, desolation bowl or memphis blues EVERY SHOW, i think i can handle a new phil tune or two every show. as long as it's not wave to the wind...twice in one weekend just about killed me.

peace,
sounds like it was quite a good time at alpine. wish they were comin' to minne-hopeless too.

robert


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By august west (Masshead) (65.96.220.254) on Wednesday, August 07, 2002 - 05:47 pm: Edit Post

do we have any idea of when the tix for TOO will go on sale?...heres to hoping that the tickets will remain reasonably priced like the small theatre tours of past falls, not like most bands when they play the basketball-hockey arenas ( or should i be doubting this in the day of the empire that is Ticketmaster?)


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By John Tallmadge (Jht) (24.44.194.106) on Wednesday, August 07, 2002 - 06:06 pm: Edit Post

>As for the person who said it was the 'best Estimated they ever heard', they need to throw on ANY show from 80-81. Try 3-9-81 as it's widely circulated.

>BTW, I never said these 2 shows weren't good. They often were, & sometimes they were great. But sometimes, they were far short of that......

Bucky, I'm confused here. You are basically saying that someones opinion is wrong, and then you give your opinion and make it seem right. Can't work that way.No ones opinion is any better than anyone else's. And all these are opinions - nothing more, nothing less.If you notice, they say that the Estimated was the best they ever heard. How do you know what Estimated's they have heard? Maybe they have heard 3 of them, and this one was the best. Maybe they have heard everyone that was ever played and they still think it was the best. Don't think it is fair for anyone to tell them that they are wrong.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By daniel berman (Dan30ga) (68.51.143.77) on Wednesday, August 07, 2002 - 07:22 pm: Edit Post

everyone here all of a sudden became instant philosophers. One brother telling another, in the rolling waves of his infinite wisdom, " the dead are no more get over it" These sorts of comments really are discouraging. Of course, the dead are no more. We all had to personally, and painfully deal with that when Jerry died. Some of us, I am sure, better than others. My point is this. One of the many things we all shared is the prospect of eternal love through this vehicle of music. As horrible as death is, life and sharing these moments again, with these guys is a continuation of that love. It is sad that some of you either never understood it or cannot understand it.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By LJ S (Mrmegabuzz) (64.65.214.22) on Wednesday, August 07, 2002 - 08:19 pm: Edit Post

....it's really Weird that no one in the Zone seems to have gotten their Phil of the Dead....


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By EssEphReek (Essephreek) (64.163.213.222) on Wednesday, August 07, 2002 - 09:54 pm: Edit Post

How can a band playing songs for which one of its members wrote the chord progressions (Bobby, when they play any of his tunes); another of the members was a key part of developing the feel, composition, and general vibe of the jams (Phil, on many songs ostensibly "written by" Jerry as well as Bob); two more members contributed intitmately to the development of the songs (Billy, who even played drums on the gears album in which Jerry played all other instruments, and Mickey, who extended Bill's polyrhythms to weird and unique new heights/depthes) -- how can you call this band a cover band when they are PLAYING THEIR OWN MUSIC WHICH THEY HAVE BEEN PLAYING FOR OVER 35 years now. Sorry to yell, but the idea that this is a cover band is the stupidest thing I ever heard. Cover bands play *other* people's music. No Jerry = no Dead, but that don't mean these guys are a cover band. I have to wonder what most of the people making this point have ever done creatively in their entire lives that even begins to approach what any of these four musicians have contributed to the development and evolution of *any* dead song, even those by Jerry.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By gideon (Mobetterdead) (68.60.0.157) on Wednesday, August 07, 2002 - 11:27 pm: Edit Post

i agree they are playing their songs and hopefully they will play their covers to.

gd and p&f's are the two greatest cover bands ever and i would love to hear Dont Let Go,Satisfaction,Death Don't or Walkin The Dog

if i fall for too's the way i fell for phil,"being a varity is the spice of life" guy,it'll be double the pleasure.
i've never listned to a too show,but after finally hearing more positive than negative reviews i will. just hope they mix it up cause i don't wanna hear St. Stephen every night,even though that's better than Day job or Liberty


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Rich (Leviticus) (138.88.133.253) on Thursday, August 08, 2002 - 12:44 am: Edit Post

Says Bucky;

"I think, if you can look me in the eye (figuritively) & tell me Sugar Mag, UJB, Jack Straw or Music Never Stopped were awesome, you were listening with rose colored ears, because it sure didn't sound that way on webcast"

Bucky my friend, you couldn't be more right..and anyone who says that that is bashing just has thin skin. The fact is, there were pockets of great music (I wouldn't say brilliance...but great music). In many instances, Jimmy Herring just didn't know how to take it to the next level...hopefully (and I really really do hope) Jimmy will learn how to lead to the point of climax, because the fact is I know the rest of the band does know how to get there.

I value all opinions...and for all I know that was someones "best estimated"...but I can tell you, as a lucky dude who got to witness the shows firsthand from about 20 rows back, I was left a little high and dry (does anyone else miss Jerry's midi guitar in the early 90's that he used during estimated's?). Anyhow, I don't want a Jerry copycat, but I wouldn't be upset if JH studied some old tapes and learned a little more direction...we'll see what happens, but it is fun to see the boyz haven fun again (even if the music isn't 100% back, at least the vibe is)


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Steven Sears (Saintsteven) (198.81.17.187) on Thursday, August 08, 2002 - 01:51 am: Edit Post

Wow. Imagine Stank being negative. I'm not sure if he has ever had anything positive to say. And if your basing your opinion on listening to a webcast that is just absurd. They had only about 3 weeks of practice together and they put on two great shows. Just imagine them practicing for 3 months together. I really think that this Fall is just the beginning to something bigger and better. I agree about the statement if you dont like it dont go. On the point about Mickey singing....he has about as good as vocals as Phil does. I am a huge PLQ fan but I think this is gonna be someone special again. Also Phil and everyone else seemed to be having a good Fucking time together. That in itself was cool to see. You could just feel the good vibes between everyone. Anyway lets not judge anything until something has happened. Just remember this...PLQ wasnt that good when they first started either.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Brian K (Briank) (216.204.109.18) on Thursday, August 08, 2002 - 09:38 am: Edit Post

I will admit that it was I who said the Estimated was one of the best I've heard. And yes, I have heard more than 3 versions. I was listening to 3/9/81 just the other day. I have yet to hear the alpine version on tape, but my initial response was, "This if fuckin' smokin' hot. Personally, I like the hard-edged Estimateds from the late 80's over the more gentel versions from 77-85. The Alpine Estimated was very hard-edged and exuded power. No, it didn't have Jerry, but Jerry is dead.

When it comes to music, especially GD, PLQ or Ratdog, we all have our own personal tastes. Go ahead and tell me I am clueless because my tastes don't meld with yours. Berate me because I loved Brent and feel that Bobby was a driving force in the GD, much more consistent than Jerry ever was. There's a reason that 7 out of the top 10 played songs were bobby songs. Please, whip me because I believe that Phil's vocals are often way out of place with this incarnation of TOO, simply because the music of TOO is far cleaner than PLQ. Despise me because I noticed that on Saturday Phil "killed" a number of tunes, but on Sunday Bobby and Rob gave him ample backup, making his lead vocals seem much cleaner and more bearable.

You know what Bucky, in the past I've found it humerous how you give reviews of the setlists for shows you weren't even at. But good Lord, this isn't PLQ. It is TOO, a band that it seems that you could care less about. If you aren't in to the concept of TOO move on. Be happy with your '66-'71 GD and PLQ. 40,000 people, each night, had a rip-roarin time and most felt a magic to the music, and it wasn't a sulf-fulfilling psychological prophecy of magic, it was pretty damn real.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By RapJack (Rapjack) (162.130.1.69) on Thursday, August 08, 2002 - 10:21 am: Edit Post

Dear Rich(Leviticus), You are ruining the vibe for everyone. Negativity is poisoning this site, as it is poisoning your karma. Good shows, bad shows- their are no such things. Music is a celebration of the passing of time, a moment that is interpreted into sound and beauty. To say that a show was better or worse is to say that one Picasso is better than another. Music is art, and moves different people differently. The words good, great, better and best a not appropriate. Until you and everyone else understands that concept, you be imprisoned in a dreamless, uninspired world in which you are constantly compared to others- and simply aren't as good.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Cryptical (Cryptical) (63.197.61.4) on Thursday, August 08, 2002 - 10:25 am: Edit Post

Now go eat a veggie burrito and give someone a hug.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By gideon (Mobetterdead) (68.60.0.157) on Thursday, August 08, 2002 - 10:37 am: Edit Post

good shows,bad shows
we've all had our share


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Sean S. (Buzzassassin) (199.43.48.16) on Thursday, August 08, 2002 - 10:47 am: Edit Post

Key - to answer your rhetorical question about the old vs. new songs, (which I thought was a good question and I carefully considered it yesterday as I had a good bit of work-related time in my car that I could chill to the beefy CD-R of 8-6-74 Roosevelt Stadium) here's my take:

Moreso than any "new" songs, these "old" songs (UJB, Eyes, Playin, Dew, Truckin', St. Stephen, Other One, Ripple, etc.) give some MEANING to our lives as Heads. We all have shared memories as to how we felt when we "got it" or heard these songs live at various times (let's say when people had the rain experience at RFK 1990, the Garden St Stephen in 1983, or those who were lucky enough to experience NYE 1978 etc.).

Furthermore, these songs - both musically and through the lyrics of Hunter, Barlow, etc. - offer up a philosophy so to speak ... "ragged but right," "rolling thunder," and "misfit power" are but a few ways the power of the Dead and their songs have been represented in the past, and we all know what this and these songs mean to us.

As far as new songs - I am all for the boys writing and expressing themselves in new and unique ways (I actually LIKED Wave To The Wind) and encourage things like Banyan Tree, Eternity, and 1000 Stars. BUT - the "oldies" are sacred to us for a reason - they are legendary rock n roll songs that weave a common thread through all our lives - especially through the shared history of the band members. And the younger generation needs to know what it feels like to hear a Playin In The Band live in all its spaced-out, "misfit power," country-rock ending glory.

Finally - on a separate subject, with regards to the Dew discussion thread (which I think is an epic jam BTW), I think an underrated one is from the Hampton 10-8-89 Warlocks FIRST show. This show is justifiably overshadowed by the titanic experience that came the following night, but at the time we were absolutely blown away by the first night. The opening Foolish Heart, when Jerry came out with this long flowing mane of hair, was sweet. He was playing the long-lost "Wolf" guitar, which was rigged up with an early version of the midi-setup we would all come to know and love. We got a Stagger Lee, which is always welcome. The Promised Land closer was a treat too - the "Norfolk Virginia" lines at the beginning and end sent the crowd into a frenzy, not to mention someone threw a blow-up doll of Godzilla up on stage. The "Help>Slip>Frank" bust-out to open the second set sent a charge of energy through the arena that was just incredible - OK, so it wasnt the best ever played (although I do think the Franklins was extremely well done) - but the feeling was electric. Victim and Eyes took an already blissed-out crowd through some harrowing and happy turns, leading into D/S. When they hit Dew after drums, I wasnt fully prepared for the impact that this jam would have on me...Jerry sang it so sweet, with such emotion (btw, Jerry's singing is another thing that just set him so far apart...). It was so powerful, and they built the jam to a crescendo that still gives me chills when I listen to it. We were all on the phones at Denny's afterward calling our friends who couldnt be there and telling them "You'll never guess what they played!!"

Little did we know what was in store for us the following night....


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By RapJack (Rapjack) (162.130.1.69) on Thursday, August 08, 2002 - 10:54 am: Edit Post

And some people love caviar, and some people can't stomach it.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By gideon (Mobetterdead) (68.60.0.157) on Thursday, August 08, 2002 - 11:08 am: Edit Post

mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm...caviar


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By DDF (Lastleaffallen) (12.149.218.245) on Thursday, August 08, 2002 - 11:36 am: Edit Post

"Bobby was the driving force behind GD, much more consistant than Jerry"??WHAT>>of course he going to be more consistant- his job is to play rhythm guitar. Jerry and Phil where the ones taking chances, it didn't always work but when it did, well, it was what it was all about. I like most Bobby tunes, I like his voice and his energy(most times)that said he was certainly the "force behind many a good first set, but IMO most of us where there for the sick jamming in the second set.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By DDF (Lastleaffallen) (12.149.218.245) on Thursday, August 08, 2002 - 12:19 pm: Edit Post

As for you guys who basically want to reincarnate a band that died with Jerry- Go see Dark Star Orchestra or the Zen Tricksters. With regards to Phil singing, while that this is not his forte, there is no one I would rather see sing an intimate Jerry tune than the man who is responsible for bringing back the love that we all used to share...that's not to say that I want him to sing every jerry tune. This is where Warren has really come on strong-not only does he have the sweetest voice on the planet- he also has a soul that was kind enough to pen "Patchwork Quilt"--"the blood of his music runs through the veins of our guitars" anyone who brings it like that is qualified to sing SOTM or Stella Blue, and do so in a way that doesn't make you miss Jerry so much as feel him within our souls...IMO PLQ does a solid job with vocal rotation. I can still remember this past December at the Beacon- Phil singing Deal was amazing"I been gambling here abouts for 35 good solid years"


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By begood (Tonto) (65.58.44.3) on Thursday, August 08, 2002 - 12:37 pm: Edit Post

for better or worse... after the limited amount of practice this band had together before these huge shows, I'm surprised they hit so many great moments... The Playin sangwich!!! (just to name one sweet moment, was real sweet) The band can't be expected to sound like they've been playing together for 30 years, but the most incredible *feeling* I got from watching this lineup (with my eyes closed sometimes) is that they captured alot of the strong musical qualities that could be heard during the Dead's playing. No more a cover band than PLQ; just re-inventing & re-interpreting the music again.

It was weird to see Jimmy flipping thru a book down on stage which may have had Chord progressions and such (just a guess ~ I have no idea what was in that book; Maybe it was recipes for Bobby's hotsauces?!) But it is obvious that they were feeling each other out & learning each others' tricks. Jimmy blew me away by how well he played with this band. He borrowed a little from Jerry while discovering his own take on this material.

My guess (and hope) is that in the Fall run, these guys will have harnessed some serious chops to the music again. (AND hopefully, PLQ returns to treat to more shows in the Spring.)


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Mountain King (Mountainking) (216.166.229.234) on Thursday, August 08, 2002 - 01:55 pm: Edit Post

I can't wait to hear the response to this but honestly the BEST estimated that I ever heard (and the best shakedown as well) was Ratdog's show at the ritz in raleigh on 11/27/99.....truly SMOKING!!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Paul (Prodl) (64.244.223.181) on Thursday, August 08, 2002 - 02:29 pm: Edit Post

>But it is obvious that they were feeling each other out & learning each others' tricks.

exactly. I've been trying to say that on various threads for a while.

And yes, Bobby obviously was a driving force in the Dead. the fact that there is even debate there shows how clueless some people are. sorry to throw out derogatory comments, but I can only take so much ignorance!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By GCarlin (Gcarlin) (151.191.175.194) on Thursday, August 08, 2002 - 03:22 pm: Edit Post

I love the view that when a band plays two
whole gigs collectively that they should be
a tight perfected unit...I suggest try being
in a band then making that mis-informed
statment...

TOO...was fun...whats wrong with that...
the potential is there for some real freaking
good music....TOO had its peaks and valleys like any band
just coming to life..
Hell my first Dead show sucked...My first Phil
show was interesting but just ok...And I have
yet to see more than 3 good songs done at a time
with Ratdog...
TOO had a honesty energy and a fun vibe...
Filled with good friends old and new...
The music is there waiting to be explored and
tightened up..And it will...
I can pick out songs that I thought were not
played great.But there was plenty that were great...But the sum of all of what went
down at Alpine made the whole thing for me....
A feeling of which hasnt been felt in years.

Funny I heard how great the other TOO's were..from the nay sayers here...And well they
were not that good...I heard about how great
Phil was with Little Feat..(So good Phil didnt
want them as a constant unit)....Then we had
the Phil is a cover band bull...Warren sucks bull..
Everyone has different taste....

The sum of all the parts at Apline was what made it great...
The band needs jam time like any band does to be tight...But see it happen...The potential it
had..And being in a fine scene made for two
very fine shows...
I will take some more TOO shows!!!
As well as more P&F shows!!!
We are real lucky folks to have both...
Its all good!!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By DDF (Lastleaffallen) (12.149.218.245) on Thursday, August 08, 2002 - 03:34 pm: Edit Post

calm down prodl-never said he wasn't a force- just saying that he should not be compared to Jerry.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By greg (Gregschmegg) (216.86.32.234) on Thursday, August 08, 2002 - 03:41 pm: Edit Post

yeah paul, now go get your bobby doll!!!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By LJ S (Mrmegabuzz) (64.65.214.22) on Thursday, August 08, 2002 - 03:47 pm: Edit Post

........once in a while you get shown the light...until someone in the Zone tells you that you actually didn't......


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Paul (Prodl) (64.244.223.181) on Thursday, August 08, 2002 - 04:00 pm: Edit Post

>I love the view that when a band plays two
whole gigs collectively that they should be
a tight perfected unit

there you go; some common sense

>calm down prodl

are YOU talkin' to ME?!?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Sean S. (Buzzassassin) (199.43.48.16) on Thursday, August 08, 2002 - 04:06 pm: Edit Post

One other thing I'd like to add that I thought was nice about TOO this past weekend was that there werent TWO lead guitarists - just one. It seems like a small thing but I think it made a big difference. Noone scared that they were going to step on the other player, noone shy about "is it my turn?" etc. Needless to say I thought Jimmy really rocked out - I think his strat style is more suited to Grateful Dead music that Warren's Gibson SG, southern-fried, slide style (which is awesome, by the way - I think Warren is an unbelievable guitarist, dont get me wrong). I just thought it was nice to have just one lead up there with Bobby and Jimmy did a fantastic job under the circumstances and pressure. I mean, that's how it was with the Dead, and Bob doesnt get his full due as a rhythm guitarist - and he's damn good.

That had to be one of the few times in either TOO or P&F since each band started where there was only one lead player. Even when Trey played with Phil in 99, Kimock was there...


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By greg (Gregschmegg) (216.86.32.234) on Thursday, August 08, 2002 - 04:11 pm: Edit Post

good one LJ MrBuZz!
i cant believe this stupid thread is 612 posts long. well actually, next post is 612, this one is 611. I purposely did that just incase someone tells me im wrong.... hehehe :)

BTW:is 612 a new p.zone record?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Paul (Prodl) (64.244.223.181) on Thursday, August 08, 2002 - 04:12 pm: Edit Post

>Bob doesnt get his full due as a rhythm guitarist - and he's damn good.

blasphemy on the Philzone! you know you'll get skewered after that remark.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Sean S. (Buzzassassin) (199.43.48.16) on Thursday, August 08, 2002 - 04:52 pm: Edit Post

Paul - I know, that's part of the reason I said that, to get these anti-Bobby bozos hot under the collar again! :)

Seriously, I cringed as much as anyone when Bobby would pull out the slide on Rooster - the man canNOT play lead. But on the other hand, I think Jimmy and Warren can get a little too dense in terms of sound sometimes in PLQ (blasphemy!) - too much going on - there cant be all lead guitarists all the time. I just thought having one lead allowed Mr. Weir to offer some nice support playing at TOO shows. Plus it allowed Jimmy to just be the man and focus on playing the leads the way HE wanted to and not worry whether it was his "turn" to solo.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Sean S. (Buzzassassin) (199.43.48.16) on Thursday, August 08, 2002 - 04:58 pm: Edit Post

Greg - I think the 600+ posts on this thread is testament to the power of the shows last weekend ... some typical negative comments from the "never happy even if Phil played a personal set in their living room" crowd ... but on the whole an excellent tandem of shows. Bring on the fall run!!!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Paul (Prodl) (64.244.223.181) on Thursday, August 08, 2002 - 05:00 pm: Edit Post

>some typical negative comments from the "never happy even if Phil played a personal set in their living room" crowd

nice! greg, tell me yer not one of those?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By greg (Gregschmegg) (216.86.32.234) on Thursday, August 08, 2002 - 05:05 pm: Edit Post

PHIL HAS PLAYED A SET IN MY LIVING ROOM!
next week, its dave.
:)


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Bucky (Bucky) (130.132.243.104) on Thursday, August 08, 2002 - 05:10 pm: Edit Post

BrianK, I think the Estimated's from 80-81 are much 'harder driven'.
The instrumentals in the middle hit peaks they never did in any of the late 80's & 90's - Bob usually cut them off short (fact, not bashing).

To me, singing's a dime a dozen, it's the instrumental parts that make different versions... different - and better or worse to me.
That's what I judge 'good, better & best' by. That's my opinion, JHT, that's all. It's simply YOUR opinion that my opinion is just an opinion too.....
Hey, did that make any sense?
:)

That's how absurd this whole discussion thing has gotten.......

So, I think I'll bow out. What's left to be said?

I just think that, people really need to calm down a little here & are taking this TOO's thing & blowing it out of any rational proportion. As I told one Zoner via e-mail, from what I heard (I'm listening to Jones Beach 7-14 right now, & I heard very little this weekend which matched it to my ear...), I find it very hard to come to the conclusion that Phil & Barraco + Bob, Mickey & Bill & that Ratdog keyboardist minus Warren & Molo is greater than or equal to P&F.

Simply my opinion.......

I'll let Keyshawn argue with you if he wants, I've had enough.

>>>>Bucky - You are awesome - those tapes helped our journey to Alpine immemsely -listened to 'em twice -C.C. Rider -Oh Yeah!!! Thanks

Key & I looked over at each other when they kicked it into high gear during CC Rider, we thought they had just started Sugar Mag in the middle of the first set for a couple seconds.....


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By 024 (Deadicatedmamma) (24.241.113.145) on Thursday, August 08, 2002 - 06:20 pm: Edit Post

>>BrianK, I think the Estimated's from 80-81 are much 'harder driven'.

Jerry was there too...

>>I just think that, people really need to calm down a little here & are taking this TOO's thing & blowing it out of any rational proportion.

Bucky, no way, I know what I heard & saw to be true to me.. Dude, you weren't even there.. I know I wouldn't get the clarity on our home pc speakers as compared to being there. I couldn't imagine telling people that attended the Vibes, while I listend at home to calm down, & that it wasn't as good as such & such a show..


>>As I told one Zoner via e-mail, from what I heard (I'm listening to Jones Beach 7-14 right now, & I heard very little this weekend which matched it to my ear...), I find it very hard to come to the conclusion that Phil & Barraco + Bob, Mickey & Bill & that Ratdog keyboardist minus Warren & Molo is greater than or equal to P&F.

Bobby enhanced the shows, & whether or not I offend anyone here.. That blew doors off most PLF shows I've seen.. I love Warren, but Bobby is the Dead............

It's all starting to come back now. Review to come soon..


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Sean S. (Buzzassassin) (24.74.37.109) on Thursday, August 08, 2002 - 07:38 pm: Edit Post

Deadicatedmomma - you go girl.
I listened at home (couldnt make the trek to WI from NC due to family, work etc.) and was truly impressed.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By stankmonky (Monkystank) (172.129.52.67) on Thursday, August 08, 2002 - 08:55 pm: Edit Post

>we were all at denny's calling our friends....little did we know what was in store for us the folliwng night..
buzzassassin, i was one of those on the phone that night from denny's. unfortunately i told my buddys not to come the next night since the band had already shot their wad that first night. opps my bad. 13 years later i'm still taking grief for that.
(TITANIC i like it. TITANIC)
btw steven sears and robuck, i resent that. i've got plenty of positive stuff to say such as that totally 6-minute oo's wheel was simply tubular. because it's the quality over the quantity and who needs a rambling endless say 25 minute wheel when you can have a really really really concise six-minute tire. maybe next time, they'll break the 3-minute spoke. but who's timing.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Sean S. (Buzzassassin) (24.74.37.109) on Thursday, August 08, 2002 - 09:26 pm: Edit Post

Stank: a p.s. to that story is that later - still at Denny's basking in the glow and reliving the show - some random Head out of nowhere came up to us and told us he heard they were going to do "attics" the next night. That took us so far off guard (hadnt been played since 1972) that we simply laughed it off. Sure enough...when they actually played it, it took everyone a full minute or so to figure out what it was (bewildered silence by the crowd on the tape). My buddies and I looked at each other and flipped...


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Sean S. (Buzzassassin) (24.74.37.109) on Thursday, August 08, 2002 - 10:12 pm: Edit Post

hey - here is the .shn link for the 8-4-02 TOO show...HEAR IT FOR YOURSELVES

http://music.ibiblio.org/pub/multimedia/tunetree/Dead/too2002-08-04.shnf/


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Merryprankster (Merryprankster) (66.26.96.242) on Thursday, August 08, 2002 - 11:42 pm: Edit Post

sean-where in NC do you call home?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Daydream (Nmondi) (66.26.36.86) on Friday, August 09, 2002 - 01:09 am: Edit Post

DMamma...way to go! I totally agree with you, but then again we BOTH are Bobby fans and fans we are!

Bucky - ya know I totally dig ya, but please, if ya weren't at a show, ya can't review it as such. It is a total of all the parts that make up a show, not completely the music. But yes, the music was/is what I remember the Dead to be. It brought me back to times I thought were gone. I thought P&F did that for me too, until I saw this line-up. My God, what a band and what a vibe it invoked in me.
If you pass up the opportunity to see this band I will call you a fool. Sooo, with that note, I'll be seeing you and Mary Kay in November....RIGHT?!
Love ya,
Daydream
:)

PS - DUUUUUUDE...I got to see Lazy Lightning/Supplication.....{speechless}


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Daydream (Nmondi) (66.26.36.86) on Friday, August 09, 2002 - 01:21 am: Edit Post

And Key...yes, you are right in saying folks often back-track on their opinions. But, presented with what we all saw at Alpine, how could anyone not?
This was a monumental happening in the world of *the dead*.
Wait, just wait, till you happen to be standing there live, Jimmy playing his heart out while you stand there with your eyes closed, swaying to the music of the familiar sounds......
This must be heaven......
Soo...as I just mentioned to Bucky...I'll be seeing you where....
so we can

RRRRRRRRRROCCCCKKKKKK A PPPAAARRTTTTYYYYY, Baaaby!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By LJ S (Mrmegabuzz) (24.169.66.203) on Friday, August 09, 2002 - 07:05 am: Edit Post

>>>>Bucky - ya know I totally dig ya, but please, if ya weren't at a show, ya can't review it as such.

....SILENCE WHIPPERSNAPPER!!!!!...pay no attention to the man behind that curtain...now go and bring me back the drumstick from that wicked drummer from the West....


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Daydream (Nmondi) (66.26.36.86) on Friday, August 09, 2002 - 08:48 am: Edit Post

Mega....LOL!!!
I'm not as young as ya think!! :)
BTW...I've still yet to meetcha...I'll be in the Syracuse area for my sisters wedding the end of Sept. If there is a good show or even not, we need to get together with Rev and throw back a few! And YES, I'm of legal drinking age! :)


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Keyshawn Still Sucks (Keyshawnsucks) (64.252.14.83) on Friday, August 09, 2002 - 09:31 am: Edit Post

Daydream:

There's ONE THING I can tell you for SURE:

When WE next see each other, we will MOST DEFINITELY be....................................
RRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRROCKIN' A PARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRTY, DARRRRRRRLIN'!!!!
:)


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Sean S. (Buzzassassin) (199.43.48.16) on Friday, August 09, 2002 - 10:16 am: Edit Post

merry - I'm in Charlotte


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By LJ S (Mrmegabuzz) (24.169.66.203) on Friday, August 09, 2002 - 10:43 am: Edit Post

>>>>I'm not as young as ya think!!

.....Daydream you're only as young as ya feel....just let me know when you're coming to the 'Cuse and we'll hook up...


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By 024 (Deadicatedmamma) (24.241.113.145) on Friday, August 09, 2002 - 01:34 pm: Edit Post

>>just let me know when you're coming to the 'Cuse and we'll hook up...

Heads up, hope you can party cuz Daydream can outparty all the boys!! No joke!! :*)


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By midyswel (Mightyswell) (66.83.9.82) on Friday, August 09, 2002 - 01:43 pm: Edit Post

you got THAT right D'mama!!! (well MOST of 'em anyhow, ahem)...

and don't EVEN metion the fanny slappin' mule dance ;^)


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Keyshawn Still Sucks (Keyshawnsucks) (64.252.14.83) on Friday, August 09, 2002 - 02:01 pm: Edit Post

Heads up, hope you can party cuz Daydream can outparty all the boys!! No joke!! :*)

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Ooohhhh...I dunno 'bout DAT, Dmamma!
I can hang wit' Daydream....or she can hang wit' ME...as we did at "The Vibes"....right, Darlin'?
:)
And I'm lookin' forward to RRRRRRRRRRRRROCKIN' A PARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRTY the next time!
:)
LOL
Windmillin' away!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By 024 (Deadicatedmamma) (24.241.113.145) on Friday, August 09, 2002 - 02:06 pm: Edit Post

>>(well MOST of 'em anyhow, ahem)...

Oh really now?????? You Midy can keep up? Hats off! Happy to know you can keep up w/ the best of 'em!! ;*)

>>and don't EVEN metion the fanny slappin' mule dance ;^)

>>Noelle brings out the party animal, I will say that!!!!!
I can hang wit' Daydream....or she can hang wit' ME...as we did at "The Vibes"....right, Darlin'?

Right on Key!!! Bet Bucky was fast asleep 'eh? ;*)

>>


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Keyshawn Still Sucks (Keyshawnsucks) (64.252.14.83) on Friday, August 09, 2002 - 02:11 pm: Edit Post

Ahhh...Bucky and Mrs. B went back to the Honeymoon Suite 1/2 hour away...left me at the site wit' a cooler full o' Labatt's, and Daydream and Carlin graciously put me up wit' them!
WHAT A F**KIN' TIME WE HAD!!!!
WOOOOOOOOOOOOOHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!
Watchin' the Sun come up...cold Labatt's in hand...puffin' on a Hoyo de Monterrey Excalibur 1066!
:)


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By midyswel (Mightyswell) (66.83.9.82) on Friday, August 09, 2002 - 02:16 pm: Edit Post

Mama, Midy can hang babe!


fer an old fart anywaze :)


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Bucky (Bucky) (130.132.243.58) on Friday, August 09, 2002 - 02:19 pm: Edit Post

I think this will be my last post here for quite a while (over/under anyone?), considering the rumor I just heard - no P&F until at least next fall (2003) & a new TOO's album, surely to mention the word$ GRATEFUL DEAD $omewhere on the cover......

>>>>if ya weren't at a show, ya can't review it as such. It is a total of all the parts that make up a show, not completely the music

Sorry. To me, I am quite capable of seperating 'the social' aspects of a show from the music. Or, if you so chose, the drug related aspects. I heard the music - I know what I heard.

If I can't give an opinion on the music I heard, then nobody here can say that 5-2-70 or 2-13-70 or the (vastly over-rated) 5-8-77 are good or bad since they weren't there either.......

Daydream, I've heard Lazy Lightning many times at shows & on tape, & at the time TOO's played it, I was saying "Where's the jam AFTER Supplication?"
Wanna hear a good one? Cassette only, sorry.
E-mail me & I'll send you a copy free....
You'll also get to hear how MNS is SUPPOSED to be played.
Sat's version went nowhere; let's be honest now....
Either that, or I have higher standards than most of you as to what "AWESOME, DUDE!!!" means.... :)


BTW, How much are flights to Colorado the first week in September?
:(


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Paul (Prodl) (67.81.61.227) on Friday, August 09, 2002 - 03:48 pm: Edit Post

>If I can't give an opinion on the music I heard, then nobody here can say that 5-2-70 or 2-13-70 or the (vastly over-rated) 5-8-77 are good or bad since they weren't there either.......

how do you know no one was there?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Sean S. (Buzzassassin) (199.43.48.16) on Friday, August 09, 2002 - 03:48 pm: Edit Post

Oh boo f*ing hoo Bucky. You're taking your toys home and pouting since P&F *may* be taking a well-deserved break? The bottom line is this - TOO played a couple of pretty damn good shows (that may not measure up to your idea of perfection - an opinion which seems to be in the minority, btw). I personally think this band (TOO) does merit further exploration on tour - the core group of guys who have been "playing in the band" together for 30-35+ years appear to feel the vibe again. And thats a good thing.

You sound like a Phish whiner who cant enjoy the excellent music out on Trey's solo album because he cant deal with the fact that his "favorite band in the whole wide world" decided to take some much needed time off!!

DEAL WITH IT!!!!

If those RUMORS are true I personally am pumped, but PLQ will be back - and in the meantime, don't close your mind to what is a very special happening in Deadhead-land going on right now.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Daydream (Nmondi) (66.26.36.86) on Friday, August 09, 2002 - 03:52 pm: Edit Post

You guys are all killing me ov'r here!!!

Did I mention, that

I LOVE YOU ALL


Bucky, I get your point, sweetie! But just to be there, albeit, physically, is just sooooo much beter than over the internet. Now that you have to agree! That was my first LL/Supp. So I was THRILLED! Now, songs like UJB, I tend to rip apart, cuz I've seen that tune, plenty.
But ya still didn't answer....Will I be seeing you and the Mrs????
:)

Key, RRRRRROCKIN' A PAAARRTTYYYY we will do! I hope November comes soon!!!!!

Amy-
>>Noelle brings out the party animal, I will say that!!!!!
Ahhhh, I'm blushing over here! And I wondered why I got *class partier* my senior year in HS, somethings NEVER change! :)

Midy....you know you and I will have a couple go-at-its partying, being you live soooo close!

Mega....
>>Daydream you're only as young as ya feel
AMEN!!!!
Will shoot you an email a bit b4 I arrive to the 'Cuse!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By David N (Indianajed) (206.97.68.97) on Friday, August 09, 2002 - 04:03 pm: Edit Post

For a group of musicians that hasn't played collectively, regularly, for over 7 years, I thought the music was pretty good. Sunday was better than Saturday technically, but it was awfully fun to hear the guys having fun on stage and playing good music (it wasn't Veneta 1972, but damn, how many shows were THAT good???).

Lazy Lightning-Supplication - call me crazy (who gets an invitation like that??) but I recall hearing that end on Bobby's "WOO" more often than not - what jam after Supplication was there?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By dyer o'connor (Dyerwolf) (12.252.220.31) on Friday, August 09, 2002 - 04:08 pm: Edit Post

Naw,
Bucky ain't going nowhere. He's just fishing for posts that say, "No, bucky...please don't go... PLQ will be back...we love you".
Now, as far as reviewing music by what your ears tell ya, it is the only way to go. I too heard the webcast and thought that the Lightning>Supp jam went nowhere and I felt that the Let it Grow just plain ran out of steam. Herring appeared to lose the plot. However, I am convinced that TOO will improve and I would sure see 'em anywhere near Co.
As far as Buckster however, he also reviews shows that he hasn't seen or heard. Ya need look no further than the review of the PLQ show at the NO Jazz Fest.
He critiques based on set-list alone and disputes people's opinions that were AT the show.
He also carries along a huge bag of "I'm so much Philler than thou" 'tude and it gets tiresome.
bring on da rox
dyer


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Sean S. (Buzzassassin) (199.43.48.16) on Friday, August 09, 2002 - 04:09 pm: Edit Post

oh boo f*king hoo Bucky

You sound like a whiny Phish phan who cant enjoy Trey's excellent new album because he's too devastated that his favorite band in the whole wide world decided to take a MUCH NEEDED BREAK!

DEAL WITH IT!!!!

First, its just a *RUMOR*. Second, you are clearly in the minority on your opinion of TOO shows - hell you were negative on them BEFORE THEY WERE EVEN PLAYED!!!! They were pretty damn good shows IMHO and I for one would welcome the opportunity for these core members to get back together to see where it goes. Third, as I said - P&F needs a break. I mean, Warren has been playing his ass off in like 12 different projects for a long time now. At some point one needs to chill and recharge the batteries - we ALL want Warren and Phil and Bobby and all these guys to be playing the music we love for a LONG time to come. They'll be back - in the meantime, try to open your mind and enjoy the fact that TOO are here and THEY obviously are enjoying it. Isnt that what it's all about?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By LJ S (Mrmegabuzz) (64.65.214.22) on Friday, August 09, 2002 - 04:16 pm: Edit Post

>>>>I think this will be my last post here for quite a while (over/under anyone?),

.....I smell a lurker in the making....does this mean everyone gets a bye in the opinion polls?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Daydream (Nmondi) (66.26.36.86) on Friday, August 09, 2002 - 04:31 pm: Edit Post

First, I want to make it clear to you DYER and SEAN....Bucky ain't goin' nowhere!!! He just mentioned he will hold up on posting IN HERE.

Second, no need to get all personal with your attacks. As far as I'm concerned it's childish and NON-productive. So, for the sake of this board, please quit with the negativity!

Third, we are all entitled to an opinion. Just cuz you don't see eye to eye, doesn't mean it right or wrong. That is why music can hit soo many different kinds of people, cuz we all interpret it differently.

Fourth, if Bucky won't go see TOO....one more ticket to someone who wants it. But...I'm goin' out on a limb and saying he'll be at the Gaahden, with the Mrs and Key in tow! Possibly a Daydream there too!!! :)
Bucky...I love ya!!!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By dyer o'connor (Dyerwolf) (12.252.220.31) on Friday, August 09, 2002 - 04:56 pm: Edit Post

Oh gawd here comes the Philzone mafia. Surprised that Key hasn't jumped in yet.
Daydream wrote.. we are all entitled to an opinion. Just cuz you don't see eye to eye, doesn't mean it right or wrong. That is why music can hit soo many different kinds of people, cuz we all interpret it differently.

Precisely my point, the Buckster has a propensity for judging shows without any evidence, for dismissing people's opinions and generally exhibiting some titanic I'm right vibes.
We all know that music is very subjective and that beauty is in the ear of the beholder. However, somebody should tell Bucky because he often tells people that they're wrong about certain shows AND songs. Stella Blue being a case in point.
And, no he won't stop posting in here, either. Alas.
dyer


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By LJ S (Mrmegabuzz) (64.65.214.22) on Friday, August 09, 2002 - 05:53 pm: Edit Post

.......you guys are all right and alright...

....BTW - Dyer did you know that your favorite show isn't really 2/26/73?...there were better ones...and now other ones...

.......it's getting ludicrous in herre...let's take off all our posts....


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Gr8fuldad (Binlajolla) (198.81.16.166) on Friday, August 09, 2002 - 06:01 pm: Edit Post

Gdad checkin back in here after a week at Junior Olympics....Kids are soooo much fun to be around...

Didn't catch live stream.....

Need Cliffnotes for the last week posts on this board...

Did everyone at show have a good time..??...

Did the zoners rock as at GOTV ..??...

No need to answer, i'll skim posts for insights....

Assume roll call for all that attended has been completed and all accounted for.....

Peace to all........Gdad

MY daughter 10th place in single jumprope...

She strapped the double dutch team to her back and carried them to 4th place in North America....:)

She at 11 years old and 5 years jumprope competetor..is the team veteran and now referred to as The MULE...Me the Crazy Dad and the Mules Mule....

Oh yeah...THANK YOU JERRY...


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By LJ S (Mrmegabuzz) (64.65.214.22) on Friday, August 09, 2002 - 08:33 pm: Edit Post

>>>>Heads up, hope you can party cuz Daydream can outparty all the boys!! No joke!! :*)


....I'll be Daydream's partying nightmare....put a quarter in the juke, boogie til ya puke!!!!...we'll party likes its 1999...too bad 1998 was actually a better party year...hey now stop that!!!.....


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Georgie1 (Georgie1) (168.191.50.90) on Friday, August 09, 2002 - 09:37 pm: Edit Post

>>BTW, How much are flights to Colorado the first week in September?

$296 round trip as of today (from JFK)


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Daydream (Nmondi) (24.162.241.189) on Saturday, August 10, 2002 - 12:08 am: Edit Post

>>I'll be Daydream's partying nightmare

You're turning me on now, Mr. Buuuuuzzzz!!!
Lets go!!!!! :)


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By GCarlin (Gcarlin) (65.129.49.151) on Saturday, August 10, 2002 - 12:16 am: Edit Post

Hey Bucky I hear what your saying...
Like Phils band, give this band time to gel..
When next I see you we can talk about the
music end of it....
But that being said, most of us are looking at
the time we had...Musicly and socially...
You know you have heard some Phil shows that
were just ok...
And yes like I mentioned on another thread I will
miss the heck out of my P&F fall run...
As far as them making money...Of course dude..
GDP became a corporation in 74 or 75...Which
means jobs...
But I see the potential this has...Just like when
I went to my first P&F show...
Bucky I watched them...You cant hide having fun
playing...They did...Heck last Dead show I went
to..They were not having fun....
I believe Bob has chilled his rock star ways and
Phil is showing Bob what real music can do...
I would definitely go song by song review for
you sometime...
Not here because my text form of ebonics rarely
makes sense as it is and it would be 2000 words
long....
But Bucky how kind this scene was in general
does have to do with the music...:)
In a few days I will email you my thoughts
on individual songs...

BTW: yes My darlin Daydream can party...:)


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By gideon (Mobetterdead) (68.60.0.157) on Saturday, August 10, 2002 - 01:54 am: Edit Post

Gdad ,
{{{{{CONGRATS}}}}}
sounds like a fun time!


also didn't hear alpine. but the general opinion seems to be that it's the best TOO's by leaps and bounds

but you know opinions they're like ...well ya know :)peace


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Bucky (Bucky) (130.132.161.99) on Saturday, August 10, 2002 - 02:03 am: Edit Post

>>>>oh boo f*king hoo Bucky

You sound like a whiny Phish phan who cant enjoy Trey's excellent new album because he's too devastated that his favorite band in the whole wide world decided to take a MUCH NEEDED BREAK!

I really didn't read too much, but this was plenty.....

I think I should clarify that statement about not posting.

It's not an "I'm mad, so screw you all" statement, although some of you would clearly love that......

And Dyer, maybe part of what you say is true.
Maybe I need to shut the hell up.
It certainly isn't doing my witness for Christ any good to be so 'negative' about the music......

However I present it, I will not change my spiritual & moral position on things regardless of what any of you think. If you really wish to know why, e-mail me, & you can read how & why I believe like I do, which is so against the 'norm' here.
Until God reappears to me & tells me otherwise, I know I speak the truth on Him being found only through Jesus.
If I'm wrong, I pray God shows me. If I'm right, I pray He shows you.......

As we've been through this so many times, I won't respond back on this thread, so you might as well
let my comments go.

Now, if you must know, I had decided that I probably wouldn't be going to many more shows after this summer. A new direction for P&F, less impressive playing last time (Fall 2001) & a new & less profitable job for me.
So, P&F blows us out every time (except 7-6), just like the good old days......
And then pulls the rug out from under us.

On the TOO's vs P&F arguement, as Key told me:
1. "We are dinosaurs" - 'old & in the way' I said.
2. "It's an arguement we can't win." Who wants to win? That's not the point.

So why bother?

However, there is a bigger issue to me & I must adress it. I will guarentee none of you is in my position - & be glad you aren't. :)

Between having 3 children, including a non-stop 5 year old autistic boy, & more physical problems right now than most people will suffer in a life time, at least until they reach old age, & having a spiritual relationship to Jesus I have been neglecting for far too long, I need to focus my precious time on more valuable activities.

No knock intended, so please don't receive it as one. You're not me & don't necessarily have the time constraints I do, or the same values of what is important to do with that time.

It won't be easy staying away, or even checking to see the responses here, but I won't.

However, I'm sure I'll be back up here to at least see what P&F does in Colorado.
After that, we'll see.


>>>>But ya still didn't answer....Will I be seeing you and the Mrs????

Yes, we will be in MSG unless I get shut out first day by over euphoric TOOHeads......


>>>>>>>>I think this will be my last post here for quite a while (over/under anyone?),

>>>>.....I smell a lurker in the making....does this mean everyone gets a bye in the opinion polls?

Watch out for The Masked Avenger & Petra....
:)

So, if you want to talk, my e-mails here.
Peace, Bucky


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Gr8fuldad (Binlajolla) (152.163.213.47) on Saturday, August 10, 2002 - 04:59 am: Edit Post

I've only been here 3 months and you are leaving already...
Honesty is what matters..Do we need to put an ADVISORY on comments that aren't positive..For Mature Deadheads Only
ALL takes should be posted here..whether from Live streamers or from those at shows....
LETS NOT become one of those ALL IS GOOD goofy CARTOON IMAGE BOARDS..
This is the PHIL ZONE...Remember how the namesake of this web site stepped up and spoke his mind regardless of consequences when decisions were being made that he did not agree with....
Our voices are fresh breezes...some warm..some cool...

"Although the stars have shifted,
we're not lost
The wind alone itself
decides our course...."

Robert Hunter


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By LJ S (Mrmegabuzz) (24.169.66.203) on Saturday, August 10, 2002 - 07:18 am: Edit Post

Bucky,

May the good Lord shine a light on you
Make every song you sing your favourite tune
May the good Lord shine a light on you
Warm like the evening sun


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Georgie1 (Georgie1) (168.191.50.116) on Saturday, August 10, 2002 - 10:23 am: Edit Post

I guess he won't see this, but Buck's made a lot of contributions to this board and should be commended. Always very thoughtful.

Long before I ever posted I was a bit of a lurker. I remember reading the reviews after the Roseland, which along with the night before, was when I first "got" Phil and Friends. He mentioned someone spilling a beer on him and brushing it off by saying "excuse me" w/a Bugs Bunny smile. I'm afraid that was me. I was moving up to our killer spot in the front w/a fistful of beers. That was exciting: to be immortalized within the pages of a rock review!

And I agree with him about Phil & Friends.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Gr8fuldad (Binlajolla) (198.81.16.166) on Saturday, August 10, 2002 - 10:37 am: Edit Post

>>He mentioned someone spilling a beer on him and brushing it off by saying "excuse me" w/a Bugs Bunny smile. I'm afraid that was me...

THAT IS WHY WE LIKE THIS PLACE......LOL..:)

WHATS UP BUCK..HE HE HE...

GEORGIE...DID U SQUEEZE B MANS NOSE ALA BUGS AND ELMER FUDD..??..


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Jeff D (Slipfrank) (64.12.103.169) on Saturday, August 10, 2002 - 12:11 pm: Edit Post

Aw, jeez, I thought all the fun was had on the "Other Stuff" board. This is a riot. Dont know where to start... fucking great, yet another board to waste my days away when I should be working.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By David N (Indianajed) (206.97.68.97) on Saturday, August 10, 2002 - 12:33 pm: Edit Post

Jeff D - get to work. Gotta earn a livin' for that wife and kids you never see anymore because of travelling to shows!
D


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Wachootalkinbout (Willis) (66.66.209.58) on Saturday, August 10, 2002 - 03:42 pm: Edit Post

>>>>Sunday was better than Saturday technically,

You know - I keep hearing people say this, both that were there and saw the webcast, and I don't see how. I thought both nights rocked - but the playing to me sounded much tighter on Sat. On Sunday, cracks and flaws appeared - which are expected and symptomatic of the musical risk-taking we all long to hear. But to my ears Sat. night was musically a superior show - I wonder if anyone on the zone (besides Djangoman) agrees. Yet another pointless exercise in useless comparisons - I know I should know better by know, never could take my own advice.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By David N (Indianajed) (66.244.72.83) on Saturday, August 10, 2002 - 07:08 pm: Edit Post

I thought the band was looser on Sunday - Herring really took off, IMO. I'm not bemoaning Saturday - both were still great!!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By AW (Andrewwig) (64.12.102.34) on Sunday, August 11, 2002 - 04:05 am: Edit Post

The Other Ones shows were rough but excellent. The band was having a great time. I saw some negative reviews of the Playing in the Band but these people did not see how into it the boyz were; high five's and hugs all around - I never saw that at 200+ dead shows!!! I was especially happy to see the eye and musical contact between Phil and Mickey; the healing has begun. Mickey had some great moments throughout the weekend including his powerful additions to Terrapin and vocals on Fire which led to a comical moment; as if by rote, Bob and Phil headed to the mics to sing the chorus after the first verse of Fire. However, Mickey's band does not perform the chorus until many, many verses later. This miscue was laughed off by all of them.

One truly bizarre moment had a woman in the second row, directly in front of Phil, stripping during Mountains of the Moon. Very odd.

Cheers also to Rob B. for many moments. Highlight on Terrapin when he stood up and pumped his fist at the first chorus eliciting the Pavlovian response from my whole section as we threw up our arms and belted out Terrapin with each successive chorus. It is really nice to have a Deadhead in the band. (Note to soundman: Turn Jeff up.)

Phil was clearly the leader which was good and bad. (I had first row on 8/4.) Good: He was calling the setlist from the stage - including the Bobby tunes like Saint of Circumstance; so no one can blame Bobby if they believe that this was a cheesy selection. Bad: He inexplicably killed a nicely progressing jam out of BTW that left a few of us, including Weir, a little perplexed.

The sound on the first half of the lawn was weak but became excellent if you sat upwards of the reinforcement speakers halfway up the lawn. The audience was extremely vocal - singing along to the favorites but was a little lost on some of the less played songs like Lazy Lightning and Born Cross-Eyed. (I was a bit surprised that the demographic of the crowd was skewed heavily towards younger, local heads and less towards the crusty, granola heads from back in the day.)

Kudos to Weir who managed to pull off two great moments in the Ratdog set:
1) Terrapin Flyer - Go Bobby!!! I gave up on Ratdog in 1999 when I saw my worst Dead related show ever in Morristown, NJ 1999. They nailed this song - might be worth checking them out again when they come to the area.
2) Bobby defiantly playing Two Dijin past the 5pm cut-off and then ignoring the stage manager by playing two more songs (albeit Corina and NFA). See otherones.net for a classic picture of the stage manager pointing at the clock while Bobby changed guitars clearly intending to play on.

In conclusion, this was the best incarnation of TOO that I have seen. I hope that they continue with sporadic reunions, lest the magic dissipate, past the fall. This is not the Dead but then neither is Ratdog or Phil and Friends so why compare? TOO is not a cover band. They have a legitimate claim to these songs and a right to make them their own. I, for one, am happy to have the chance to hear these songs again with my extended, dysfunctional family while there are still even four members of the band left. For those that wrote negative reviews, please either open your hearts and minds or stay home this fall.

"Take what you need and leave the rest...."


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By LJ S (Mrmegabuzz) (24.169.66.203) on Sunday, August 11, 2002 - 07:53 am: Edit Post

>>>>This is not the Dead but then neither is Ratdog or Phil and Friends so why compare? TOO is not a cover band. >>>>For those that wrote negative reviews, please either open your hearts and minds or stay home this fall.

.....I believe there is a term used to describe those people who sit home all day and post negative reviews and comparisons online of bands, shows and scenes that they have never experienced...they are called Thread Heads....


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Whitman Mayo (Grady) (195.98.97.101) on Monday, August 12, 2002 - 02:23 pm: Edit Post

>>Dear Rich(Leviticus), You are ruining the vibe for everyone. Negativity is poisoning this site, as it is poisoning your karma. Good shows, bad shows- their are no such things. Music is a celebration of the passing of time, a moment that is interpreted into sound and beauty. To say that a show was better or worse is to say that one Picasso is better than another. Music is art, and moves different people differently. The words good, great, better and best a not appropriate. Until you and everyone else understands that concept, you be imprisoned in a dreamless, uninspired world in which you are constantly compared to others- and simply aren't as good.

I pretty much 100% disagree with this statement. My "vibe" is just fine with or without some harmless negative criticism about a rock and roll concert. And I like to compare things to other things. Makes for interesting conversation. I agree that art appreciation is subjective, but live music is different in that its played multiple times and sometimes it's better sounding than other times. A composition or an album stands on its own frozen in time but when someone is performing it, it can and should be criticized.


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Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Merryprankster (Merryprankster) (66.26.96.242) on Monday, August 12, 2002 - 03:05 pm: Edit Post

listening to sunday night right now....first time I've heard the first set....intro to eyes givin me goosebumps-they were hoppin


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By 024 (Deadicatedmamma) (24.241.113.145) on Monday, August 12, 2002 - 03:12 pm: Edit Post

Wow, 666 posts in this thread, now I've I've got goosebumps..


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Sideshow Bob (Drkstrjry) (205.188.192.189) on Monday, August 12, 2002 - 10:45 pm: Edit Post

Wow - I'd have to say I'm still damn impressed, I've listened to the parts people criticized, don't hear Jimmy "lost", yes, he doesn't build the ends of stuff up like Jerry did, but he does some really clever stuff: End of Music Never Stopped is the opening riff backwards. Lots of other subtleties like that, which pass on 1st or 2nd listen. Like I said, go see them before they do a new album and the magic wears thin!

Oh, Daydream and Mr Megabuzz - Rock On Dude/Dudess! That's a bad ass combo!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Wachootalkinbout (Willis) (66.66.209.58) on Tuesday, August 13, 2002 - 03:57 pm: Edit Post

>>>>: End of Music Never Stopped is the opening riff backwards

Good Ear Bob!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Sideshow Bob (Drkstrjry) (205.188.192.158) on Tuesday, August 13, 2002 - 08:06 pm: Edit Post

Yeah, there's a few other wild things like that, can't remember offhand, but, when listening over again, it's like, "oh, yeah".

As for Saturday being tighter than Sunday, it seems Sunday they TOOK MORE CHANCES. Saturday was mostly song/song/song/etc., with very few actual transitions (into Stranger and end of Cryptical are exceptions). Sunday was chock full of actual transitions, especially in the 1st set. Uncle John's was the sloppiest thing they did, maybe they ran out of steam or more likely were worried about slipping the Box in before the curfew.

Oh, bad taste bumpersticker I'd like to see:

"SUPPORT ORGAN DONATION - HELMET LAWS SUCK!"


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Dean (Deano) (68.80.204.228) on Wednesday, August 14, 2002 - 01:13 pm: Edit Post

This big time PLQ fan is thinking he'd understand if everyone decided to make a serious go of this version of TOO even if Phil had to put PLQ aside for now. Is it too much to add Molo and Warren to the mix??? It's nice having Bobby back in the mix. Jimmy sounds great. These guys practice and gel and we'll seriously be back on the bus :) Even digging Mickey's version of fire. It's just great to have everyone back on stage together and sounding pretty damn good for not practicing much.

Just hope everyone is as willing as Phil is to keep the older songs going i.e. Golden Road!

See you this fall


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Sean S. (Buzzassassin) (199.43.48.16) on Wednesday, August 14, 2002 - 01:53 pm: Edit Post

Bucky - We all have family/health/job/spirituality issues to work through. Hopefully you can do so and get back on the train.

In listening to the 8/4 shn's and looking at my old Deadbase, I was surprised at how many old, OLD (like '60's era) songs they played. In addition to Born Cross Eyed, they played Dew, China Cat, St Stephen, Eleven, Dark Star, Mtns Of The Moon, and Cryptical/Other One - and PLQ offered up Doin That Rag & Lovelight! I really think the band took the weekend very seriously and gave us a couple of shows that made it clear that the magic is not gone.

As far as Molo and Warren - nothing against those guys, but I dont see what they would add. Especially Molo. Why three drummers? Why three guitarists? At some point, it becomes overkill and just noise. Again, Warren is unbelievable - and I'm sure (I hope!) we'll see much more of him in the future. But I think Jimmy and Bobby played well off of each other at Alpine and I for one want to see more of THIS band. With the excitement they openly showed and the "anything goes" setlists they produced, the Fall Tour looks to be special if they can build on what they started in Alpine.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Dean (Deano) (68.80.204.228) on Friday, August 16, 2002 - 06:16 pm: Edit Post

With a nice glass of vino in hand ,sitting here listening to the transition between Banyan Tree into Wheelback into Playin. You tell me the sh*ts not going to go down this fall. Do it while you're still here boys! There'd be a lot of happy campers out there! Nice, Nice, Very Nice.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Dylan (Dls) on Friday, March 18, 2005 - 05:24 pm: Edit Post

Fuck with the Bull you get the Horns
Bitch ass U.S.A
I'm Really scared I might miss out on the Death experience .


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