12-17,18,19-04 Warfield - Sacred Marriage - 3 Acts

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Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By gwen (Blue_vase) on Tuesday, January 04, 2005 - 02:03 pm: Edit Post

The Fool-Death-The Wheel
This is the story of the Sacred Marrige.
Encounter it in alchemy, http://www.levity.com/alchemy/s_12keys.html
Alchemy leads you back to Gnosticism and the Sacred Marriage of Jesus and Mary Magdalen.
Gnosticism leads you back to Isis and Osiris and to Inanna and Dumuzi.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By gwen (Blue_vase) on Tuesday, January 04, 2005 - 02:39 pm: Edit Post

The Moon Couple's Temple was divided in two, with male en-priests serving the Goddess, and female en-priets serving the God. In the center was the ziggurat where the two were worshipped together.
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-from tablet 70-
"she stands by the door of the sacred space
the lord goes to her
she framed in the door of heaven's storehouse
Dumuzi goes to her
tell the people to set up the bed
spread the bed with lapis grass
I want my heart's love to come in
I want my dragon of the god of heaven to come in
I will place my hand in his hand
I will touch my heart to his heart
hand in my hand in blissful sleep
heart to my heart beautiful friend
it is sweet"
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Inanna;Lady Of The Largest Heart. Poems of the Sumerian High Priestess by Enheduanna High Priestess of the Moon God of Ur, and the earliest known poet/writer of our world (2200 B.C.E.-about 500 years before Abraham); translated by Betty De Shong Meador
===========These tablets were unearthed in the 1920's in Iraq.
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The purpose of the Sacred Marriage is not a fertility rite, even though the prietesses and priests were in charge of the management of the lands resources; but rather, the Sacred Marriage was to properly hold sacred the relations between people, between people and "Gods", matter and spirit.
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With the Dead, the story is of Jack and Rose.
and the Return of the Christ and the Magdalen.
246-253"They will offer you a riverful of water -- don't accept it. They will offer you a field with its grain -- don't accept it. But say to her: "Give us the corpse hanging on the hook." (She will answer:-) "That is the corpse of your queen." Say to her: "Whether it is that of our king, whether it is that of our queen, give it to us." She will give you the corpse hanging on the hook. One of you sprinkle on it the life-giving plant and the other the life-giving water. Thus let Inana arise."
http://www-etcsl.orient.ox.ac.uk/section1/tr141.htm


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By gwen (Blue_vase) on Tuesday, January 04, 2005 - 02:46 pm: Edit Post

This is the story of the Kabbalah, and the Hebrew Goddess.
This is the story of the Holy Grail.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By gwen (Blue_vase) on Tuesday, January 04, 2005 - 03:10 pm: Edit Post

Of all the Creation stories of the Earth, is there one that begins with the Goddess and God, the Earth and the Sky, The Sun and the Moon, saying. " I love you." ?????
" I love you so much. Let us make a world to express this love."
Wouldn't that be a good Beginning?
In the Beginning was the Word, Love.
And it was Good.
.
Our Creation stories are pathetic/psychotic.
We either believe the Universe was a collection of accidents and evolution of the Strong.
Or we believe that "Gods" created us out of boredom, and fucked up royally when they did.
How different to think that we, our greater, multi-space/time dimensional we, WE create our world to express all the joy of being able to create, to express our vitality, to be able to express love


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By gwen (Blue_vase) on Tuesday, January 04, 2005 - 03:12 pm: Edit Post

I hope he doesn't mind me sharing this with you...
Here is the most beautiful Creation Story I have read:
"
the Music seemed to pause holding waiting for something to happen
I felt as if I was returning to the Root of Creation
and as I went the Words I could think went as well
I thought I had reached the axis when all I could say over and over
was 'We'
but that wasn't the last word spoken before I was reborn
when I had reached the Foundation
and All that existed was One and the Other... Sky and Earth ... Me and You
I found myself compelled to utter these Words:
"Rise with me, my Love"
upon this Seed all the levels of existence were then rebuilt

I opened my eyes to this World reconstructed
and at that Moment
the Music, the Sound was released from its tension
and the Dead began to play Box of Rain
"It's all a dream we dreamed one afternoon, long ago"


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By gwen (Blue_vase) on Tuesday, January 04, 2005 - 03:27 pm: Edit Post

18 The disciples said to Jesus, "Tell us, how will our end come?"

Jesus said, "Have you found the beginning, then, that you are looking for the end? You see, the end will be where the beginning is.

Congratulations to the one who stands at the beginning: that one will know the end and will not taste death."
http://www.misericordia.edu/users/davies/thomas/Trans.htm


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By gwen (Blue_vase) on Tuesday, January 04, 2005 - 05:20 pm: Edit Post

"And the companion of the [...] Mary Magdalene. [...] loved her more than all the disciples, and used to kiss her often on her mouth. The rest of the disciples [...]. They said to him "Why do you love her more than all of us?" The Savior answered and said to them,"Why do I not love you like her? When a blind man and one who sees are both together in darkness, they are no different from one another. When the light comes, then he who sees will see the light, and he who is blind will remain in darkness."
http://www.gnosis.org/naghamm/gop.html


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By gwen (Blue_vase) on Thursday, January 06, 2005 - 01:59 pm: Edit Post

This is the story of Reuben and Cerise, except with a happy ending this time, (Reuben does not look behind).

This is the story of Dylan's song, Isis. But, again, with a happy ending this time. She is awakened from sleep when he finds her in the meadow, and he remembers to tell her why he came back. And they ride on TOGETHER.
-The Fool-Death-The Wheel.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By gwen (Blue_vase) on Thursday, January 06, 2005 - 02:01 pm: Edit Post

" Freedom is not "out there" nor "in here". It's the action of assaulting opportunity with the will to select both what shall bind you and what you'll bind yourself unto."
Robert Hunter


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By priest of the sun (Tosamah) on Wednesday, January 12, 2005 - 07:01 pm: Edit Post

>>>the Sacred Marriage was to properly hold sacred the relations between people, between people and "Gods", matter and spirit.

this says it all there.

as an aside... from momaday's House Made of Dawn

"in the beginning was the word"...now what do you suppose old john meant by that? that cat was a preacher and, well, you know how it is with preachers; he had something big on his mind...it was the truth, and it was heavy, and old john hurried to put it down. And in his hurry he said too much....the truth became overgrown with fat, and the fat was god, john's god...

..."In the beginning was the word" right then and there he should have stopped. There was nothing more to say, but he went on....The perfect vision faded from his mind, and he went on...


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By gwen (Blue_vase) on Thursday, January 13, 2005 - 01:49 pm: Edit Post

ahhh, I would add just one more thing that John said.
"God is love."
==In the Beginning was the Word. God created heaven and earth. God is Love.
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Jesus said, "And one more Commandment I will give to you. To love each other as I have loved you."
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and, from another John-
"The Word
Lennon/McCartney

Lyrics:
Say the word and you'll be free
Say the word and be like me
Say the word I'm thinking of
Have you heard the word is love?
It's so fine, It's sunshine
It's the word, love
In the beginning I misunderstood
But now I've got it, the word is good

Spread the word and you'll be free
Spread the word and be like be
Spread the work I'm thinking of
Have you heard the word is love?
It's so fine, It's sunshine
It's the word, love
Every where I go I hear it said
In the good and bad books that I have read

Give the word a chance to say
That the word is just the way
It's the word I'm thinking of
And the only word is love
It's so fine, It's sunshine
It's the word, love
Now that I know what I feel must be right
I'm here to show everybody the light

Say the word and you'll be free
Say the word and be like me
Say the word I'm thinking of
Have you heard the word is love?
It's so fine, It's sunshine
It's the word, love


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By gwen (Blue_vase) on Saturday, January 15, 2005 - 06:08 pm: Edit Post

The Goddess and God say, "I love you so much, let us express this love in Form. In Life. In Holy Matter."
And so was the Beginning. Creation of the World.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By JR (Jonathandr0) on Saturday, January 15, 2005 - 09:18 pm: Edit Post

Stone Choir

Theres a scene painted on the ages and I suspect that scene will serve you
The legend stands trembling on high
long forgotten words that will preserve you

A thousand years were stone for the choir that sang
A thousand years long ago

They all assembled in the weathered halls
Flowers and ferns all in the headroom
And in the step when every mind was still
You raise the skull of a beast that fed you

Come hooded strangers
Come vieled in rain
Youll shed your own dimensions
Youll shed your name

Silver strings sending silver notes
By the by when the night is over
Moving slow measured in their ways
Songs so high theyre almost sobering

And in the dust when every voice was hushed
A swerving nerve that came to carry
Then what occurred when revelry was stirred
Sound and blood and bone were married

So long ago


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By JR (Jonathandr0) on Saturday, January 15, 2005 - 09:19 pm: Edit Post

It's a song by Assembly of Dust


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By gwen (Blue_vase) on Tuesday, January 18, 2005 - 01:41 pm: Edit Post

Jesus said, "And one more Commandment I will give to you. To love each other as I have loved you."
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He did not jusy say, Love your neighnor.
He did not just say, Turn the other cheek.
He did not just say, I know you are just only sinful, weak humans, but try and do your best and love each other in your limited way.
He said, Love each other AS I HAVE LOVED YOU.
He told us that we are capable of it.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Hawilo (Hawilo) on Thursday, January 20, 2005 - 02:28 pm: Edit Post

Hey Gwen,

What's with the christian stuff. Explain yourself better. I do not fully get it. Sounds self-righteous


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Gregory Hagan Felsen (Superliver) on Thursday, January 20, 2005 - 11:09 pm: Edit Post

Gwen - Thanks so much for your insight, Before heading to the show I just got done finishing the Mists of Avalon and The Divinci Code and could not help but think that these shows were in direct relationship to all that you have mentioned...I felt so close to the source and the celebration of the Goddess in us all!! Right on, explaining this to friends after the show was hard, so thanks for the insight.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By gwen (Blue_vase) on Friday, January 21, 2005 - 01:55 pm: Edit Post

Thank you to everyone who has written a response.
I really appreciate it.
I really feel that this is the time for an expansion in understading for the human race. Just as a person's understanding of the world and of the self make critical expansions at critical ages .
Will it be a gaining of new knowledge, or a remembering of knowledge we once had? I cannot say.
I know we have lost a lot of knowledge of Soul, of the nature of time, of the nature of reality, of quantum dynamics........
The return of the Queen of Heaven symbolizes this for me. The return of power to the psyche, the anima, the nonphysical, the void, chaos. This is for both male and female. MUST be both male and female or it cannot proceed.
And so the Sacred Marriage.
It's funny that there was an objection to the "christian stuff" but not to the Alchemy or to the Sumerian/Akkadian (Inanna & Dummuzi) or Egyptian (Isis and Osiris)
I believe that Jesus and Mary Magdalen were only our most recent examples of the Sacred Bride and Groom.
And I believe that it is well time to move past the need for sacrifice. Time for Inanna and Dumuzzi to live TOGETHER on Earth/Heaven again.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By loopy (Spearman3) on Friday, January 21, 2005 - 02:30 pm: Edit Post

>It's funny that there was an objection to the "christian stuff" but not to the Alchemy or to the Sumerian/Akkadian (Inanna & Dummuzi) or Egyptian (Isis and Osiris)

not particularly funny as the latter 'stuff' is seen as mythological....


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Hawilo (Hawilo) on Saturday, January 22, 2005 - 04:49 pm: Edit Post

Gwen-gwen,
I really do not have an objection to 'christian stuff', I just wanted more clarity around the issue, and your arguments. Since todays society is so infused with self-righteous, mis-interpreted, knee-jerk politic.

Loopy,
Do you mean to say that Jesus and Magdalen, and all their acts aren't mythological?? Are you saying that there isn't truth in myths?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Atalanta (Jung) on Monday, January 31, 2005 - 01:42 am: Edit Post

this person seems to agree with your perspective on the return of the Queen of Heaven. They're sayin' it's on the horizon (the times they are a changin'). it's a very interesting website (to me anyway). Check it out if ya got the time.

http://www.goroadachi.com/etemenanki/blog-04dec.htm


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Matt Dolter (Samsen) on Thursday, February 10, 2005 - 08:01 pm: Edit Post

huh?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By gwen (Blue_vase) on Friday, February 11, 2005 - 03:20 pm: Edit Post

She was there in the Meadow,
Where the Creek used to rise.
(Awakened from) Sleep
And in need of a Bed.
He came in from the East,
With the Sun in his Eyes,
(Kissed) her one time,
(And they) rode on ahead.
She said, "Where you been?"
He said, ("The Valley of Shadow.")
She said, "You look different."
He said, "Yeah, well I guess."
She said, ("Why'd you come back?")
("To tell you that I love you.")
She said, "Are you gonna stay?"
"If you want me to, yes"
Isis, oh Isis you mystical child.
What drives me to you is (to escape the) insane.
I still can remember, the way that you smiled.
On the 5th day of May, in the drizzling Rain.
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Thanks to Bob Dylan.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Warren D (Endwarr) on Sunday, February 13, 2005 - 10:57 pm: Edit Post

Gwen,

I have to say you are one right on lady. I too read The DiVinci Code a while back, and though it just really scratches the surface of the whole Sacred Marriage thing, its pretty much the first knowledge I gained of the subject. I thought, regardless of the story of the book itself, the whole Sacred Marriage story to be rather compelling. I really like the way you put all of this information together to share your insight.

I definitely think that's what the Professor was getting at. He's made many referrences to the alchemy that the music creates. The best version of Ruben and Cerise is certainly the one in which Hunter includes the Orpheus and Euridyce(sp?) section. I'm also a huge fan of the song Isis(Dylan). I even played it for my friends at their wedding (05-05-2000). In The DeVinci Code, he even mentions something about modern day songwriters including the Sacred Marriage lore in their writings. I think this evidence holds true if you are looking for it.

Songwriting is the true lore these days. The last real oral tradition this society seems to be aware of. I definitely need to read up on some more of your sources to gain further knowledge of the subject of the Sacred Marriage. I, personally, find it to be a more viable story than the one the catholics try to lay on from their version of the bible.

I'd like to hear more of your insights. Please keep the juicy nuggets coming...

Warren

In the beginning I misunderstood. But now I've got it the word is "LOVE". :-)


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Warren D (Endwarr) on Sunday, February 13, 2005 - 11:38 pm: Edit Post

After reading this page, I felt compelled to refresh my memory of the Dec shows. I'm now noticing some very interesting things indeed...

Looking at the first night, one can definitely see the references to the Sacred Marriage. Cosmic Charlie- The end at the beginning. Throughout the first set you can see the suggestions at the Male/Female relations.

Wharf Rat, is occurring to me to be another one. I perform this one with Tangled Up In Blue between the "Pearly's been true" verse and the "Got up and wandered" verse. Its kind of my personal little commentary on my relationship with my ex.

Caution- Mojo Hand another little morsel regarding the Male/Female thing. Hard to Handle, same thing. I also see many references throughout the show regarding partings and reunions.

Looking at the second night. Besides being generally themed about death, I see a couple more references to the Sacred Marriage. The first one that occurs to me is Peggy-O. Considering the age of this song (very old), I think it could definitely be an example of a song that refers to the Sacred Marriage. The story of a union soldier falling in love with a southern girl, who's city he's come to destroy. Very telling...

Wheel's On Fire is definitely another. If your memory serves you well, you'll remember you're the one...

I think perhaps Dylan and Hunter were really into this stuff, because you can find the theme throughout their works. Lady with a Fan is taken almost directly from an older song called "The Lady of Carlisle". Ian and Sylvia do a great version of it. Its clearly based in this whole ethos(If you ask me). The inclusion of Eclipse only emphasizes further, this alchemical(?)/pagan philosophy, that I think the Professor was goin' for.

I think the third night speaks for itself if you look at the setlist, though I should mention the inclusion of Box Of Rain, The Stranger (Two Souls In Communion), Unbroken Chain (of you and me), The Lovelight(a little more mojohand), and the Comes A Time>Happy Birthday.

All things considered, I'm inclined to lean toward your way of reasoning Gwen. Sacred Marriage indeed.



Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By gwen (Blue_vase) on Tuesday, February 15, 2005 - 03:56 pm: Edit Post

Exodus 20:2-3 I am the LORD thy God, which have brought thee out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage. Thou shalt have no other gods before me.
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Jeremiah 44:15
Then all the men which knew that their wives had burned incense unto other gods, and all the women that stood by, a great multitude, even all the people that dwelt in the land of Egypt, in Pathros, answered Jeremiah, saying,


16
As for the word that thou hast spoken unto us in the name of the LORD, we will not hearken unto thee.


17
But we will certainly do whatsoever thing goeth forth out of our own mouth, to burn incense unto the queen of heaven, and to pour out drink offerings unto her, as we have done, we, and our fathers, our kings, and our princes, in the cities of Judah, and in the streets of Jerusalem: for then had we plenty of victuals, and were well, and saw no evil.


18
But since we left off to burn incense to the queen of heaven, and to pour out drink offerings unto her, we have wanted all things, and have been consumed by the sword and by the famine.


19
And when we burned incense to the queen of heaven, and poured out drink offerings unto her, did we make her cakes to worship her, and pour out drink offerings unto her, without our men?
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And from the Nag Hammadhi, Hypostasis of the Archons=
http://www.sullivan-county.com/nf0/nov_2000/archons.htm
"Opening his eyes, he saw a vast quantity of matter without limit; and he became arrogant, saying, "It is I who am God, and there is none other apart from me". When he said this, he sinned against the entirety. And a voice came forth from above the realm of absolute power, saying, "You are mistaken, Samael" - which is, 'god of the blind'.

And he said, "If any other thing exists before me, let it become visible to me!" And immediately Sophia stretched forth her finger and introduced light into matter; and she pursued it down to the region of chaos. And she returned up to her light; once again darkness [...] matter. "
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The Queen of Heaven will return.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By gwen (Blue_vase) on Tuesday, February 15, 2005 - 04:15 pm: Edit Post

Fat Tuesday-Mardi Gras-Carnivale
Ash Wednesday- The beginning of Lent- The Priest makes a cross of ashes on the Christian's forehead saying, "From Dust you came and to Dust you shall return." (woe to us! How sad!!)
But Sophia (Zoe) says, "No, it is from Light you came, and to Light that you shall return."
When Matter is infused with Light it is Holy. When Flesh is infused with Spirit it is Holy.
When Flesh does not know itself to be Light, the Queen of Heaven is profaned, and we are blocked from seeing Heaven in Earth.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Dylan (Dls) on Friday, March 18, 2005 - 07:18 pm: Edit Post

Rob the Drummer I owe you and Wayne G. an Amends I sincerly hope you can for~give my crass retarded behavior I hope I make it off of Disc SeG. By then .I'm Truely Sorry MotherFucker.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Dylan (Dls) on Friday, March 18, 2005 - 07:19 pm: Edit Post

A sorory MOFO


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By gwen (Blue_vase) on Tuesday, April 12, 2005 - 10:40 am: Edit Post

And upon her forehead was a name written, MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH.
And I saw the woman drunken with the blood of saints, and with the blood of the martyrs of Jesus: And when I saw her, I wondered with great admiration.
Book of Revelation 17:3-
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"There is a very close connection between the woman, city of Rome and the beast; the woman (Pope) sitting upon the scarlet-colored beast (Vatican) with seven heads (Rome).
http://www.adishakti.org/book_of_revelatio...tion_ 17.3-6.htm


The Inferno Of Dante
(trans. by Robert Pinsky)
Canto XIX 100-107
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"The Evangelist intended, when he said
That she who sits upon the waters was seen
By him in fornication with kings. She had
Seven heads from birth, and from ten horns had drawn
Her strength-so long as virtue pleased her spouse.
You made a god of gold and silver:wherein
Is it you differ from the idolatrous--
Save that you worship a hundred, they but one?"
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and the footnotes say--
"Dante refers to the words of St. John in Revelation 17:1-4. The whore John describes was traditionally taken to stand for pagan Rome. Dante seems to associate her with the corrupt Roman Church. In Dante's description, her SEVEN HEADS represent the seven sacraments of the Church, her TEN HORNS stand for the Ten Commandments, and her SPOUSE is the Pope."

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"And upon her forehead, a name..." Rev 17
The Dictionary of the Bible states the following: “The mysteries were a group of ancient cults with a fairly wide following during the Hellenistic age.”
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Some of these mysteries were Dementer at Eleusis (Greek), Mithras from Persia, Isis and Osiris from Egypt.....
The interpretation of the Scarlet woman is always a puzzle because the Whore references two women- the "True Bride of the Messiah" and the false Bride- the Church.





Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By gwen (Blue_vase) on Tuesday, April 12, 2005 - 10:46 am: Edit Post

Isn't Dante on that list of alleged Grand Masters of the Priory of Sion??
(along with DaVinci, Newton, etc.)
well here, contiuing in the Inferno we come to Canto XXXI where Dante and Virgil have just entered the 9th circle of Hell, reserved for the most sinful sinners (the Giants)of all,the Betrayers. At the very lowest pit of this circle we find Judas. But the first Giant encountered in this Circle is Nimrod- who tried to build the Tower to Heaven at Babel- but oddly?? Dante interrupts his physical description of Nimrod with a discourse on Nature and Her wisdom in discontinuing the race of Giants. Then the poem resumes-
"To me his face appeared as long and full
As the bronze pinecone of St. Peter's at Rome,
...."
Again- this is the Circle of Hell where the Betrayers are sent. Even to bring St. Peter in as a reference seems heretical..
Makes me think of DaVinci's Last Supper showing Peter with the dagger backhanded at his brother Andrew and the other hand motioning slicing the Magdalen's neck.



Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By gwen (Blue_vase) on Tuesday, April 12, 2005 - 10:51 am: Edit Post

Dante's Inferno is of course what our dear friend Phil Dick spent the night reading while in excruciating pain, waiting for morning to go to the dentist and then having the girl from the pharmacy with the "Fish sign" necklace stimulate his epiphany, and remembrance of Thomas.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By gwen (Blue_vase) on Tuesday, April 12, 2005 - 11:03 am: Edit Post

Invocations of the Pope's Solemn (or "Extraordinary") Magisterium are rare. Since 1870 only one statement exercising the Solemn Magisterium has been made, Pope Pius XII's explicitly defining in 1950 the doctrine concerning the Assumption of Mary into Heaven. Some commentators regard the dogmatic definition of Papal Infallibility itself in 1870, and the dogma of the Immaculate Conception of Mary in 1854, to be other recent examples of infallible pronouncements.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Papal_infallibility
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oh they did have a hard time dealing with Her.
They could nearly erase Mary Magdalen from scipture, but they had to do something about Mother Mary.
The dogma of the Immaculate Conception was made 16 years BEFORE the declaration of Papal Infallibility.
Was it necessary to declare Infallibility just to squelsh opposition and schism to the elevation of "The Virgin"??


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By gwen (Blue_vase) on Tuesday, April 12, 2005 - 11:06 am: Edit Post

now here's something strange from John Paul II's will:
"The spiritual exercises of the Jubilee year 2000
(12-18.III) (Eds: March 12-18)
(VATICAN’S NOTATION: “for the will”)
1. When, on the day of Oct. 16, 1978, the conclave of cardinals chose John Paul II, the Primate of Poland Cardinal Stefan Wyszynski told me: “The task of the new pope will be to introduce the Church into the Third Millennium.” I do not know if I am repeating the phrase exactly, but at least such was the sense of what I heard then. It was said by the Man who has passed into history as the Primate of the Millennium. A great Primate. I was witness to the mission, to His total entrusting of himself. To His struggles; to His victory. “Victory, when it will come, will be a victory through Maria”"
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He also entrusts the hour of his death not to God or Jesus, but to the Virgin Mary, Is that a regular Catholic thing?
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/7418582/


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By gwen (Blue_vase) on Thursday, May 05, 2005 - 10:22 am: Edit Post

next show---Friday the 13th
*****
This fear of 13 is strong in today's world. - more than 80 percent of high-rises lack a 13th floor. Many airports skip the 13th gate. Hospitals and hotels regularly have no room number 13. ...
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"To the ancient Egyptians, we are told, life was a quest for spiritual ascension which unfolded in stages — 12 in this life and a 13th beyond, thought to be the eternal afterlife. The number 13 therefore symbolized death — not in terms of dust and decay, but as a glorious and desirable transformation. Though Egyptian civilization perished, the death symbolism they conferred on the number 13 survived, only to be corrupted by later cultures who associated it with a fear of death instead of a reverence for the afterlife.
Anathema
Other sources suggest the number 13 was purposely vilified by the founders of patriarchal religions in the early days of western civilization because it represented femininity. Thirteen had been revered in prehistoric goddess-worshiping cultures, allegedly, because it corresponded to the number of lunar (menstrual) cycles in a year (13 x 28 = 364 days). The "Earth Mother of Laussel," for example, a 27,000-year-old carving found near the Lascaux caves in France often cited as an icon of matriarchal spirituality, depicts a female figure holding a cresent-shaped horn bearing 13 notches. According to this theory, as the solar calendar triumphed over the lunar with the rise of male-dominated civilization, so did the number 12 over the number 13, thereafter considered anathema.
On the other hand, one of the earliest concrete taboos associated with the number 13 — a taboo still observed by some superstitious folks today, apparently — is said to have originated in the East with the Hindus,.... Interestingly enough, exactly the same superstition has been attributed to the ancient Vikings," http://urbanlegends.about.com/cs/historica..._the_ 13th_2.htm
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The name "Friday" came from a Norse deity worshipped on the sixth day, known either as Frigg (goddess of marriage and fertility), or Freya (goddess of sex and fertility), or both, the two figures having become intertwined in the handing-down of myths over time (the etymology of "Friday" has been given both ways). Frigg/Freya corresponded to Venus, the goddess of love of the Romans, who named the sixth day of the week in her honor "dies Veneris."
Friday was actually considered quite lucky by pre-Christian Teutonic peoples, we are told — especially as a day to get married — because of its traditional association with love and fertility. All that changed when Christianity came along....."
http://urbanlegends.about.com/cs/historica..._the_ 13th_2.htm





Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By MattyB (Mattyb) on Wednesday, May 11, 2005 - 02:55 am: Edit Post

>>>The Goddess and God say, "I love you so much, let us express this love in Form. In Life. In Holy Matter."
And so was the Beginning. Creation of the World.

And also the End. Destruction of the World.

Right and/or wrong?

How/why do opposites attract?

Do analogs repel?

"The question, O me! so sad, recurring--What good amid these, O me, O life?

Answer.

That you are here--that life exists and identity, that the powerful play goes on, and you may contribute a verse."

Wisdom and/or revelation?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By MattyB (Mattyb) on Wednesday, May 11, 2005 - 03:19 am: Edit Post

Gwen, thank you for a glance at part of the other sides. I am grateful and would like to suggest, in return, that you read some Walter Benjamin, especially but not exclusively "On Some Motifs in Baudelaire" (see http://www.wbenjamin.org/walterbenjamin.html). It might help you feel the concrete beneath you feet even as you lift your head to heaven, throw your arms around the earth and stand with your legs beneath the sea. However, it won't help you with that other elemental contact that you so often allude to. That's always left to a simple twist of fat(h)e.

Personally, I'm still searching for that reason to believe.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By MattyB (Mattyb) on Wednesday, May 11, 2005 - 03:24 am: Edit Post

mattymaki :-)


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By gwen (Blue_vase) on Thursday, May 12, 2005 - 11:58 am: Edit Post

"that other elemental contact that you so often allude to. That's always left to a simple twist of fat(h)e. "

Ah, love. A Simple Twist Of Faith/Fate/Lathe.
My love sang this to me last night, in trembling voice and tears, and later with our whole bodies, we turned the Lathe of Heaven. Dial it in. Dial it in. Always, consciously, Holy, Holy!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By gwen (Blue_vase) on Saturday, May 28, 2005 - 09:06 pm: Edit Post

for Jack the sailor;

On To Cairo

Days and days
when we are apart
I think of you,
the sacred space we go into,
a softness, a spilling over softness,
electric
like in orgasm
that spilling over feeling
passing between us
prolonged
AAAAUUUUMMMM
....
I miss the Holy feeling.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By gwen (Blue_vase) on Wednesday, June 29, 2005 - 11:29 pm: Edit Post

"grateful
1552, from obsolete adj. grate "agreeable, thankful," from L. gratus "pleasing" (see grace). "A most unusual formation" [Weekley]. Hard to think of another case where Eng. uses -ful to make an adj. from an adj. Grateful Dead, the San Francisco rock band, took its name, according to Jerry Garcia, from a dictionary entry he saw about the folk tale motif of a wanderer who gives his last penny to pay for a corpse's burial, then is magically aided by the spirit of the dead person. A different version of the concept is found in the Hebrew Kaddish and the Egyptian Book of the Dead"
http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?search...searc hmode=none


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By gwen (Blue_vase) on Thursday, July 07, 2005 - 12:39 am: Edit Post

"Grate - a network of brass for the bottom of the great altar of sacrifice (Ex. 27:4; 35:16; 38:4, 5, 30).
"Exo 26:33 - Exo 27:5
33. And thou shalt hang up the vail under the taches, that thou mayest bring in thither within the vail the ark of the testimony: and the vail shall divide unto you between the holy [place] and the most holy. 34. And thou shalt put the mercy seat upon the ark of the testimony in the most holy [place]. 35. And thou shalt set the table without the vail, and the candlestick over against the table on the side of the tabernacle toward the south: and thou shalt put the table on the north side. 36. And thou shalt make an hanging for the door of the tent, [of] blue, and purple, and scarlet, and fine twined linen, wrought with needlework. 37. And thou shalt make for the hanging five pillars [of] shittim [wood], and overlay them with gold, [and] their hooks [shall be of] gold: and thou shalt cast five sockets of brass for them. Exo 27:1. And thou shalt make an altar [of] shittim wood, five cubits long, and five cubits broad; the altar shall be foursquare: and the height thereof [shall be] three cubits. 2. And thou shalt make the horns of it upon the four corners thereof: his horns shall be of the same: and thou shalt overlay it with brass. 3. And thou shalt make his pans to receive his ashes, and his shovels, and his basons, and his fleshhooks, and his firepans: all the vessels thereof thou shalt make [of] brass. 4. And thou shalt make for it a grate of network [of] brass; and upon the net shalt thou make four brasen rings in the four corners thereof. 5. And thou shalt put it under the compass of the altar beneath, that the net may be even to the midst of the altar.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By gwen (Blue_vase) on Wednesday, November 02, 2005 - 11:33 am: Edit Post

How I would love to hear Phil play Hendrix...
Especially, Spanish Castle Magic...