OHHHHHH I can't wait, i can't wait, I can't wait!!!!!!!!!!!!!

To all east coast heads, cheap flights outta JFK into Long Beach on American. Book 'em up and lets rage the flight!
I just re-glued my dancin' shoes together in the aftermath of the last two legs of the tour, leg three here we come.

Burn one for Blue (its my birthday!!)

seems to be plenty of tickets available - just got a pair in the upper terrace last night.

can't wait - but next time they should play the greek in griffith park...how many heads are there in irvine?

see you there

intimate in Orange County.... sounds ok to me. Last show I saw there was an intimate night with Jerry... can't wait to get back!

yeah I've seen at least 9-12 fantastic Grateful Dead shows there, Jerry on his Fiftieth, and a couple a years ago Phil and Friends with Dylan. I've always enjoyed the venue (even when I was sure that Jerry was floating ten feet above the stage at one of those Dead shows.)

also i think they like playing there because Los Angeles heads and San Diego heads can easily make it. Irvine sort of splits the two....

yeah - i've seen some good (non-dead) shows at "verizon" over the years.

the venue itself is pleasant, but the idea of making the 1 hour drive back to pasadena after a night of revelry is never appealing.

who am i to complain though? i'm seeing my first post-jerry dead show and can't wait.

Anyone need 2 tix?
Irvine - Sec. 4 Row WW seat 409 and 410 ?
Let me know if any interest:

M.Cushner@verizon.net

Oh yeah:

$60.00 each so $120.00 for the pair:

Thanks

Anyone have a sense of what time the boys (and girl) will go on? Tickets say showtime is 7pm. I saw Red Rocks and Jones Beach this summer... Red Rocks generally started 45 minutes or so after listed showtime, Jones Beach started right on time.

i'm not too familiar with the jones beach area, but, i am familiar with southern california traffic, and being californians themselves, the boys should know that traffic will be pretty bad.

rush hour at the 5-405 junction is not pretty. it could be worse, but that doesn't mean it's good.

i'd guess they'll give us 30-40 minutes to get settled before they start up. at least i hope they do - i'm leaving downtown l.a. at 5pm on the dot...

Irvine
I.
Playin¡¯>
Touch
Sugaree
West LA
GDTRFB
Candyman
Self Defense
Box of Rain >
Let it Grow

II.
Uncle John's >
Caution >
Dark Star >
Peggy O >
King Solomon's Marbles >
Drums > Space >
Tomorrow Never Knows >
Wharf Rat >
Dark Star >
Playin' reprise

E:
I Know You Rider
Brokedown Palace

BTW - The above is a prediction... just for fun.

Lets get those setlists out PRONTO people!!!
You guys on the East Coast were KILLER at that!
I'll be standing by at my 'puter giddily waiting for instant updates!!!

I'd probally guess a big river tonight. if not then definately at one of the other two shows.

What time does the show start?

Set 1:
Jam>
Help>Slip>
Hard To Handle>
Down the Road Again>
Ramble on Rose

Set 1: Jam>
Help>Slip>
Hard To Handle>
Down the Road Again>
Ramble on Rose
Strawberry Fields>
Mountains of the Moon

gahad dang! is that the set list so far.

shit.

Gdad, where are you when we need you?

end set 1
some new Joan tune
Bertha
set 2
FOTD
Even So>The Deep End>Only The Strange Remains>Wheel>Other One>D>S>China Doll>Throwing Stones>Slipknot>Franklin's
*We Bid You Goodnight

irvine sucked...post space was decent

weak on paper, imho

I would have to agree Davestraw. Especially after that opener....I would have been expecting great things, like a Red Rocks 7/10 line up or something.

That second set looks weeeeaaakkkk on paper. Hope you guys at the show can tell us that something else (friends, buzz, arena..) made this a good time and took it out of the dregs.

Sorry..no laptop and wireless connection..Just got home..

Great show..Very cool vibe in lot..not intense like GD shows..

Rev Buddy and I were so close to the stage..Thanks Tim from Orange County for tickets..

Set 1..first and last songs best.Duh..

Set 2....Strange Remain till end was excelllent...
30-45 second sustained Phil Bomb during Strange Remain..

I took break during drums..Rev said there was a 3rd drummer..Molo sat in..on Mickey's set while Mick was f*ckin around..

Best Franklins I have ever seen..It really rocked..(Keep in mind...I am Encino Man)

Phil looked and sounded as good or better than ever...Bobby seemed not pissed off..Jon..Sure frickin looked like she was having a great time..Dug her dancing and her voice..we were so close to her when she came to front of stage....mmmmmmmmmm..is all I can say..

Zoners are great..I left Irvine 2:00 am..1 1/2 hour drive home..made it half way to rest area and slept for 3 hours..

Afternnoon chillin at Hyatt bar was..Rev Bud E Green..Kelley and Aaron from N.C...Me..then Huck..then Tom Heckley..then the lot..a handful of zoners at meeting place....Much beer consumed..

Huck continues her Westcoast tour..the rest of us re gather at Warfield.

So..IMO..Dead Lite ain't that Lite..A notch below PLQ..but more together and sounding better this night than TOO at Kaiser...Maybe the good seats had something to do with it..But I would definitley want to see this band as often as budget and time allowed..

sounds like a great time gdad, thanks for review!

Man It was good to meet you GDad!

But I had a way different take on last nights show. The first word that comes to mind is WEAK.
The opening was nice, HELP>Slip but the rest of the set IMO was weak as hell. Everytime Joan was on stage the music seemed to lagg. And her Dancing is god awful I never seen a worse dancer in my life, she was up there skippin around the stage and twirling like a toddler.IMO It was a
joke! And the jamming inbetween songs was really bad. It sounded like Bonaroo or something, like they havent got better at all. There is no hope for this band IMO, Bobby needs to go back to RD, Phil to PLQ, and everyone else home.

Last Night was so weak I felt like leaving early. I have to get back to this my little girl is up. will continue in a bit.

I did have a lot of fun, especially meeting ZONERS! TimmyHoover~Poncho~TomHeckley(did you know Tom is the guy from the GD Movie in overaul's singing every word to US Blues, hes a legend!)GDAD~Huck Lewis~Zippy~JumpinJack~ and a few more!

GDad best Franklins youve ever seen? come on even the worst with Jerry was a 100 times better than what we got last night. Help>Slip> Puke oh I mean Hard to Handle. That was so bad it was funny. The should play Help>Slip>Franks like it was ment to be played.

+++++did you know Tom is the guy from the GD Movie in overaul's singing every word to US Blues, hes a legend!)++++++


No way!!! He's my favorite part of the movie (as well as the guy who yells "Saint STEEEEPHEN" when the dude is buggin' out on how the Dead are making money off him by putting him in their movie) . . . we have affectionately called him "The Chicken Man" for years. His smile was the embodiment of how a GD show felt on a good night.

Jimmy's guitar work was average at best. Jimmy does not fit, well either does Joan or the 2 keys.

I stubbed him down to Orch during the 2nd set, check out waht he looks like now, you will never believe it http://www.thecopierguy.net/

Sorry you had a lousy show gunner...they certainly are hit or miss.

Tom is the chiclets man? that is unfucking-believable. I LOVE that guy...used to watch that movie just to see his expression at the end of US Blues, that blissful smile. that blows my mind.

wow, looking forward to meeting Mr. Heckley next week. crazy.

wow. what a difference 29 years makes! lol.

I don't feel so bad about missing the west coast shows. If Dylan opened i would be bummed. THanks for the reviews. In the GD movie I like it when the cameraman asks the dude to say something intelligent. THat's been my running joke for years.

wow, that guy is one of my favorites, goes to show, you don't ever know....
good on you Tom for sticking around all these years (and making it through the 70's alive)

Dakota...I agree with you on a few thigns you said..

Yes..I had flashes of leaving early..But things picked up IMo from Strange Remain onward..AND..that close to stage..hearing and seeing PHIL..as if it was in a bar somewhere...the thought of leaving vanished..sorry..you do not get bass like that on cd's..

Something that occured to me..Looking at the four guys on stage..

I am still close to many of the people I grew up with in Chicago..Some have moved west..but we pretty much stay in touch..We grew up together.. know each other and that will never change..

But..How many people in my life..since I left Chicago to go to college in 1968..till today here in San Diego..Do I communicae with..know anything about at this point in time..??..Not many..

But last night..there in front of my eyes and not too far away..was 4 guys that I have known for 34 years..there is not one person from my 2 years in college in Boston that I even know where they are..And there last nigh they were...The guys I met in Boston 04-21-69..I feel I know them..At least know a lot about them..and have a relationship still to this day with..

Other than family..my daughter.. 2 aunts an uncle and my cousins..and old childhood fiends..these 4 guys are pretrty much my oldest friends alive on this planet..

IMO..as ya get older it is harder and harder to find the time and energy to keep up relationships with people...the older you get..the fewer friends..people in your life..do you have close realtionships with..people drop away..new ones do not replace them...Others die..

Well..I am not ready..not emotionally able to...drop these 4 guys I have known for 34 years..The work I saw and heard them do stands up in my mind to the work that I am doing here now..Maybe not as much..or as intensly as I used to..BUT..hey..the goal for me is to get the most (Make enuf money to sustain myself..as much as posible honestly) with the least effort...and by doing the least damage..which in my case can be quite a bit..LOL

This same thing might have been what we were seeing and hearing laast night...From the four..the ones that like me..probably do not want it to end...putting out the best effort they can..and man..standing on your feet for 3 hours at my age is not a cake walk..

Looking at them I flashed on the tour this summer..and that they played so often 3 nights in a row..because they have us...like we have them..and it is honestly fun and a good time..and the scene has mellowed so less crap is going on outside the show..

RD and PLQ..some...myself in the case of the latter.. might rightfully feel are playing more intensly..on the edge..and give ya a bigger bang for your buck...

But..I heard enuf last night to make me feel like I am not ready for DIVORCE...the four playing together and me..maybe some marraige counseling would help..but no no no..no 3rd divorce for me..sorry...LOL..

The Deep End? that mule song? that's pretty cool. who sang??!! thanks for any info.

gave me chills gdad. great review. some of the best shows are the ones that suck. dude , im only 30 and i can say that ive been "friends" with the grateful dead longer than with most humans. the GD is honest, and brutal, and hard to be friends with. but here it is ten years later. thanks for the review. i am not ready for a divorce from the dead either. its just still hard to see them in public. kind of awkward. good review. i cant wait for the plq

Great angle, Gr8fuldad.

I've gone to check out some new bands this year and it just didn't give me that feeling. I thought it's because I've got 30 years of their music running through my veins. You have stated it quite nicely there.

uhhh...that show don't look too hot...maybe playing quality was better than setlist...then again...maybe not

Sundawg...>>I am not ready for a divorce from the dead either. its just still hard to see them in public...<<
How true man..Ya know what..for many years and not to long ago..and for some even now..the same thing holds true when I think of myself...

I was a mess, imagine that..even worse..way worse.. than I am today..probably tuff for some that knew me to see in public..

But man..There is that hope in every sunrise..that this day will be just a little better that days before...And that is is up to me to make that happen..

Last night I was happier..more comfortable in my skin than maybe ever before..Being close helped..having my bicycle in lot sure helped..

Helped hughly in getting beer from Shakedown Street to Hucks rental car where we were tailgating..

Found a guy on other side of lot on fringe of SD St. with a motor home and 3 big coolers w/ lots of ice cold Bass..Sierra.to go cups..and back up stock..

Kelley had me making multiple bike rides back and forth to motor home beer vending guy....the last one me making an offer on Kelley's behalf to beer vendor..for cooler. ice and all the beer inside of it....but ended up riding my bike back carrying a big trash bag with 9 Sierras..all he had left... and ice back to tailgate..

The 5 people drinking beer at Hucks rental car made the beer guys afternnon as he was late getting there and had a crappy location..

Fringe benefit of my delivery service..The beer guys chick..wearing shorts and a bikini top..is a piercing artist and her dude..the beer guy asked her..since me their best customer..

To show me her tits..ya know..a business decision in a way..since she had both nipples pierced.

Shit like that man..I guess I'll just have to live with that kinda stuff happening..

Me not smart enuf to be a good liar..AND WHY BOTHER..our gatherings need little if any embellishment....quite contare,..an editor is more like it...

Reality plays better than any fiction you could come up with....Is that not why we still go to shows..??

BTW..Just talked to Rev Bud...The Molo sitting in on drumz..can anyone verify that..LOL

I left my photos and Tom Heckley left his Cell Phone in the room at his and Kelley's hotel...

That was a really good review, Gr8fuldad. Thanks for posting ...

I figured I owed some color commentary..I have gotten so much from this place and last night felt badly I did not have anyone's number to call and get info to chat room..Sorry bout that chatters..

Oh yeah..Zippy for a while was one of tailgatters at Hucks car..Got to talk to him for a while before and after show..Gave him and Tom ride back to Hyatt after show..we were there pretty much till cops swept the lot..

Tom Heckley in GD moive..Also lead player in "Zippy gets a ride to Irvine"..Academy award nomination for that role for sure..

Me still typecast..Ahole..Putz..Loser..Always have been..Always will be..

Gotta agree with GDad. Even though I've expanded my musical horizons in recent years (regular trips to Telluride in June will do that) and am now a bluegrasser in a BIG way (to say Sam Bush is incredible is an understatement) I keep coming back to the Dead.

I just got a sweet audience recording of Red Rocks 7/11 that justifies my long lasting connection with the band.

They are still on. Different...but still on.

How bout some reviews you mor-rons.. Enough of this bickering & tailgate stories... Let's get a real review in here........geeesus

Have you forgotten where this show was..So Cal man..We still sleeping..

Suggestion..Call one of your taper friends..Have him Fed X you the show..

Or..if you have no taper friends..Cough up some $$$..order the SBD's..wait a while and revue for us...Pleeze

Or..another idea.. go to the damn show yourself...

nice words gdad, very nice.

soundz like a hangover...... I'm saving all my gusto for the Gorge!

Hah.One beer and one puf do not a hangover make..

I'd call it a typical case of Leshaholic delirium...

oh yeah//The encore..very nice..just the three singers..maybe Rob also..with Mickey out front leading the clapping..

so basically GDad is saying they are sentimental to him, shit they are to all of us(well most of us). But I dont go to shows to see nostalgia. One of my big complaints is when they get into a song most of the time you cant even tell what song it is til the vocals start. It is to painful for me to see them play music like this, I would rather just hang in the lot. And that was never my style.

Thanks for the review,Gdad!
I can't wait until tonights show! Now the shorline beckons...

Totally can see where you are coming from DG..Birches..yuo gunna ghet a rocker..Some estimated prophet said they felt band held back a little last night..saving for Shoreline...

The name of game is happiness...however..whatever...whenever..

And..since 05-24-02..PLQ here in San Diego..I fell pretty darn happy when "feeling" the bass guitar of Phil Lesh..So why not Dewit..

Happened at Mule @ Fillmore in San Fran when Phil came out..The felling was there instanteously..when he stepped out on stage and plugged in..that feeling..HAPPINESS..

And not nostalgiC EUPHORIA..REAL..happening currently...and..I do not remember what Phil "felt" like pre 2002..

And TODAY..is better than yesterday..so why look back..or live there..other than reference..and Phil is sounding pretty darn good..IMO..with this band..

If you gus are gunna treat me this way..So Bi it.,

This is the end of my revues.. end of my color commentary..see ya in Other Stuff..I'll never come back here..

LOL...

good stuff GDad.

gunner...i felt that same way after the milwaukee show. packaged nostalgia. actually i felt that way about everything i saw from 91-95...each would have it's moments, but there certainly was nothing novel about it.

2nd nite of RedRocks though was enough to make me think they were starting to push the envelope a little bit again. there were some beautiful peaks and segues.

I figured the first show at least would suck since they haven't played in a while and lost their steam from Summer tour. I just hope they find it again by Sunday for the Gorge! At least they saved the tasty jammers for us up here in Bumfuck Warshington and didn't waste 'em on Fruitville California...

GDAD I totally feel you agree with almost everything you said. Im really sick of people saying shit like gd was a nostalgia act from 90 to 95. BULLSHIT, There was still a ton of brillance going on there. Not every night but when they hit they FRIGGEN HIT. On nights like that you would be reminded why we travel 100, 200, 3000 miles to see this band. It always made me think of how I could pull of tour. Now I feel sorry for the people on tour.

The show was well played for the most part, at some point it seemed like the Phil and Jimmy show they were really playing well with each other and getting other worldly moving into some bizarre places.

Help/slip I thought was good, Hard to Handle I had to use the bathroom.

Down the Road again imo is not a very good song, sentimental claptrap, Mickey singing on any song is one song to many.

Ramble on Rose was good and fun lots of folks singing.

Strawberry Fields, it was ok not real inspiring, I'd still rather listen to the Beatles sing it.

Mountains of the Moon is a beautiful song but Phils singing on it seemed very strained, didn't feel like it ever really took off.

All that you are is a new song that I never heard before so a little tough to get into.

Bertha i think worked seems a little fuzzy now....

The beginning of set 2 had a lot of new songs and for me the new songs just don't do it. They just pale in comparison to almost any of their other songs written up to In The Dark. I thought the playing/Jamming in the new songs was very good, very challenging. They seem to move into intense jams that for me are reminiscent of the '70's stuff, unfortunatly the songs themselves are not very good imo.

The Wheel didn't really get rolling.

The Other One was good very enjoyable, reminded me I was watching the old Acid test band hard at work, I felt the show overall was pretty psychedelic.

drums/space was good fun seeing Molo

For me it was a beautiful China Doll, Joan sings it great. Her dancing at the front of the stage seemed a bit much, felt like "look at me".

I've heard Throwin Stones at alot of shows down in SoCal in the eighties so I really did not want to hear it. It was played well but I felt like I needed Jerry to get me excited about it at this point, and thank god they did not go into NFA!!!

Slip/Franklins was very good, played well and rockin

We bid you goodnight was sung very sweetly sounded great.

overall the setlist was not exciting but for me the playing at times moved into the other worldly. I thought the energy for the most part was high. Phil Bomb, nuff said about that. Phil and Jimmy really clicking, watchout for PLQ because Phil and Jimmy are starting to have conversations that remind me of the intense Jerry Phil conversations. Kreutzman had a beautiful little solo, he looked like he was dancing and showed what a masterful drummer he still is, like Phil has aged like a fine wine. Bobby sounded good and I would have rather they thrown out the Mickey songs and gave me some old Bobby tunes. Joan sounded good just stay off the front apron.

The scene was FANTASTIC, I was home again. A huge family reunion great great love vibe.

They are still doing what noone else does PLQ is great and intense but you throw in Bobby Billy and Mickey and it becomes more open ended more Grateful Dead like. No I am not ready for a divorce either. If you're a deadhead don't miss either PLQ or the Dead the adventure is still continuing.......

P.S. you bastards in Mtn. View are going to get a great setlist. and btw I live in SoCal and have seen incredible Grateful Dead shows here so the idea that the show was lesser because it was here is bullshit just watch the Anaheim DVD or listen to two from the vault to find out how crappy the shows are here.HAHAAHAHAHAAHA

I want to concur with the sentiments reaffirming the commitment to the Dead that has come from decades of sharing the same intense space. Being in a hall full of Dead Heads is like being in a rowboat in the middle of the ocean, to paraphrase an ancient Phil quote, or like being in a space capsule conversing with the aliens. The picture of the four of them out front of 710 Ashbury really warmed my heart; wish I'd been wandering by at the time!

I remember going into the Oakland Coliseum one night in the early 90s, and a couple of guys were saying hello to Willie at the door (speaking of great characters from the GD Movie), and Willie laughed and said, "Oh yeah! I remember when you guys were little fellows!"

Well, I made my connection and commitment to the band, the community and the culture way back when I too was a "little fellow," and it was, and remains, a life commitment, through good times and bad.

Willie's gone now, and Uncle Bill, and Kesey and so many others... most especially Jerry, of course.

But Phil got a new lease on life, and he is driving the band (and isn't it apparent now how much he always drove the band?), and a new generation of musicians are being initiated to the journey, insuring that the scene continues far into the future.

From the stage at the Field Trip in August '82, Ken Babbs said: "As the tides mount, and the people grow, and the voices are heard, the music will go on!"

'Til we all fall down.

Thought it was a great show with a nice mix of different songs. The place was absolutely packed but the crowd was mellow and not too pushy. I had seats up in the Terrace section, so I spent half my time watching the projection screen.

I really enjoyed Joan's contribution to the band (yes, even her silly dancing). She was out there shakin' her stuff even during the really spacey jams, which there were quite alot of. I thought that she sang the material just fine and definately helped in the harmonies to fill in the sound.

I felt that Jimmy's guitar was way too prominent in the mix. It was definately too much Jimmy for me as it seemed like every song featured his solos. It tended to make the songs all bleed into one another and have too similar of a sound. Are they purposely keeping Bobby's guitar down in the mix or was it just last night?

Phil was right on, as usual, and was a beacon in the storm of instruments. Like a lighthouse, He can always help bring you on back from those lengthy jams without crashing on the rocks. Mountains of the Moon was a treat!

The third drummer was indeed Molo, I think. He had a cap on so I couldn't see his shiny head, but it sure looked like him.

I liked the Ramble on Rose> Strawberry Feilds> Mountains. Bobby did a great job singing on ROR, which I didn't know if he could pull off or not. Also, Rob Barraco did get a chance to sing Jerry's part in Bertha, which sounded good.

Anyway, not too many more details that are coming to me right now. All in all it was a great show!

Hi all, would like to add a few thoughts... I belive the shows, past and present are what you make of them. With that said my wife and I had a good time. It's all about havin' fun, which was apparent most of the band was havin' fun.

The setlist while not overly impressive was decent. I was hoping for a Big River for the Man in Black, oh well. Help-Slip- started off well, the boys still know that us locals here in So. Cal need the help! :-) I though the overall performance was decent. My doors never got blown off. There were peaks and valleys. The Mtns.of the Moon was an interesting arrangement and Bertha was good. First time seeing the new Band config. Joan's voice was good. She was havin' fun, even though see probably shouldda gotten a beer or something during the jams and other songs. Jimmy is a great player BUT he never really seems to grab you and get you places. I was really reminded that PHIL is the Man. Everytime I got lost or was it the band, I locked into Phil. He's worth the friggin $50 + bux alone. Trying to get back in from set break sucked. Morons had 1 line for everything, missed FOTD, and whatever was next, thought there was gonna be a riot! I thought the 2nd set was ok, Drums really was good, Mickey got on the stringed thinger and came out w/ a surgeons mask, jacket and glasses and freaked, that was interesting. By the way, his first song was Fun, the guy's earned the right to sing, so let him have fun. His second song blew....

Scene was ok. Great to see old friends, many cool and happy folks. Alcohol was outta control. Can they put out some damn trash cans?? I drink, but somehow don't throw bottles around , or kick 'em and let them roll into a crowd! I saw Phil last summer at the Greek in LA, and have to say I liked them much better. Somehow they got it. But it was great to see micky/billy. I still love all of 'em. All in all, it's what you make of it. I sat by the soundboard, so that was cool! They usually don't let me down that far! If ya wanna see a great jamband, check the North Missisippii All-Stars....

Had fun, hopefully they'll improve more. I want to see Phil's band again for a comparison. Great to see Head's congregating... and bonus, I didn't get tosseed out (like I did at a local Dylan show) for puffin'!!

-peace everyone....

I'll say one thing for these guys, they are pros. Nothing I heard last night was played poorly - and the ones that were played well were outstanding.

First set highlights for me:

The Help>Slip opener - great to hear this one. Perhaps not the best versions ever, but they really locked in there for a while in Slipknot. It really seemed to me Billy & Mickey created a great space for the others to play - they really took the lead.

Strawberry Fields led into a really cool jam that became Mts. of the Moon. I'd never heard mountains in person, and I was impressed how jamable that one is. A long way from Garcia on acoustic and TC on the harpsichord.

Bertha is always welcome and well played to end the first.

Second Set:

FOTD was another old favorite to open the second. I scrawled a note to myself that Bobby had a nice "lead" on his acoustic. I was impressed. Nice work all around on this one.

Now, I love much of the newer stuff, but playing 4 post GD songs in a row, may be overkill to a mellow SoCal audience. October Queen and Strange Remain (good JH solo) were particularly well done, I thought, but not enough people were familiar with them and it slowed things down considerably.

They did well to finish the pre-drums segment with The Wheel and the Other One. Both were very good, but TOO really took off in spots. Really enjoyed this one.

Drums w/ molo = great. Billy & Mickey have this down to a science.

China Doll was very well jammed and sang in the Jerry ballad slot. Franklin's was a great way to end the show.

Bid You Goodnight was great - thought Bobby sounded good, but would have liked another song in addition to BYG.

Dissapointments:

No Johnny Cash tribute?!? I was sure we'd get at least a Big River, or maybe even a Folsom Prison Blues or Ring of Fire encore - but nothing. I guess everyone grieves differently.

There seemed to be a lack of natural flow at times. They're probably just a bit rusty after a few weeks away from each other, but wasn't the most fluid show I've heard.

Overall it was a good show and a good scene. I got to the lot a bit late, but it seemed like a very mellow situation. Wide age range, good mix of people. Super-glad I went.

Peace

>>>Strawberry Fields, it was ok not real inspiring, I'd still rather listen to the Beatles sing it.


DUH

China Doll was horrible IMO=PUKE. Joan is so bad with this band its embarassing. Man alot of you peeps are really easy to please. That was by far the worst post Jerry show Ive seen, TOO in 98 99 or whenever the fuck they played were better and that aint sayin much.

I always have fun at shows and last night I had a blast. Its an embaressing time to be a Deadhead with the Dead touring the country a playing like they do.

Mikey Sucks at Singing.

The Song selection sucked hard.

There was maybe 2 minutes of good jamming.

They only time they sounded ok not good was when locked in the middle of a song.

Phils bass sounded good but it usually does.

I have alot more to say about last nights show but I will have to get back later.

Oh yeah Jeff Chementi should be fired, hes a geek.

and Joan has no rythem what so ever, Her dancing was fucking A JOKE, she was skipping around everyone on stage. It Was Bad Real Bad. And then her lame ass little spins, Oh My God I Thought I was gonna Die.

What Ive noticed is friends of mine who Ive tried to turn on to the GD for years but never got it seem to enjoy this band alot. I liked it better when those people didnt get it.

wow, ya better go back to bed & get up on the other side......

>>>No Johnny Cash tribute?!? I was sure we'd get at least a Big River, or maybe even a Folsom Prison Blues or Ring of Fire encore - but nothing. I guess everyone grieves differently.

Post show music was I walk the line.

dakota, thanks for sharing your opinions and grading out everyone elses.


>>>Strawberry Fields, it was ok not real inspiring, I'd still rather listen to the Beatles sing it.


DUH"

what a prick. trying to have a fucking internet conversation with you is impossible. there is no room for discussion. there is dakota's opinion WAY UP HERE, and all us newbies/posers/losers/those that don't get it- way down here.

You HATE everything. cash it in dude, there's nothing new or good left. listen to your tapes, and stay home with your kids. the world has nothing new for you, and you're certainly not bringing anything to the table...

man, that's fucking depressing.

Robert whatever. You are now on My Full O Shit List.

Way to go Robert, tell it like it is!

>>>Post show music was I walk the line.

Yeah - I caught that, seemed like the whole album was played, but I was sorta holding out hope for the real thing...

And Dakota - everyone's got a right to an opinion, but it wouldn't hurt to lighten up just a wee bit.

No it wasn't the best show I've ever heard or seen, and it wasn't the worst. But when I get a chance to hang out with thousands of heads and see the boys, you can be damn sure my glass is gonna be half-full.

Oh Yeah Robert If you read the thread is says Reviews not Discussion.

Should I just be happy that their playing? Even though they have absoulutly no direction. Should i be happy that my all time favorite band added Joan Oz? Should i be happy that they are letting Mikey sing 2 to 3 songs a show when he never sang or ever would have been aloud to sing when Jerry was alive? Should i be happy happy that they feel they need Mikey as a cheerleader during We Bid U Goodnight? Should I be happy that they let someone who I think sucks dick sing all the most special songs? Should I be happy that they also let this person lolly-gag all over the front of the stage like a Retard?

No, you should me miserable. And you know what Gunner, reading your reviews makes it abundantly clear that you are. Joan is great, and it's too bad that you don't like her. Most of us do. To each his own. She is one of the best things that has happened to the band recently. Get over it, or spend your money elsewhere. I won't spend my money on a band I don't care for, no matter how cool the crowd is, and I sure as hell wouldn't spend the majority of my time bitching about it on the zone. The Dead is an evolving entity. If you don't care for this evolution, skip it, because many of us love what the band is doing right now.

Pete the Dead is over. get real kid. Like i said above the drumz are worth the ticket price in my eyes. I never agree with anything you say on this board. Your one of those "The Dead can do no wrong" people.

oh yeah

Joan sucks balls

hey Dakota, you quivering knob, my comment about Strawberry fields is based on the idea that I like the Dead's 70's version of Dancin in the Streets better than the original song. The Dead over the years has played many covers and either did the songs justice or for me did them better than the original versions, ie; look at all those Dylan songs.

I didn't think I needed to explain this but I 'spose sum chiluns needs 'splainin.

Also you say you always have a good time at a show. How is that possible when the music for you was such crap. For me the music is first and if the music sucks at the show I don't care how many bt's, tabs, lines, beers, pills, balloons, mushies, margaritas, or bottles of Robitusson I have done the show was still crap.

I know there is a number of you Joan haters out there, you and trigzone to name two, but i don't know what you're not hearing that I am. She sings wonderfully in these Jerry melodies and shows just how beautiful Jerry's melodies are and how great Hunter's lyrics are.

what is interesting is you say your friends who used to not "get" the Dead now really like this band and that disapoints you and you wish they didn't get it. But at the same time you say you tried to turn them on to the Dead. Don't you like to be around your "friends"?WHAT THE F____!!!

What has happened is the Dead has changed and now YOU don't "get" it. That's alright, there has always got to be some folks who don't "get" it (and are obviously angrily boiling because they don't), and you've become one of them.

The good thing is that you love PLQ so your money will still be supporting Phil Lesh.

So there is hope you just might "get" it again someday. But you better start worrying because remember Phil was gonna have Joan sing with PLQ in Washington. OH OH Phil likes her.

quivering knob,lol, makes me laugh

Hey All. I'm glad that everyone had a fun time at the Irvine Meadows show. It's always fun to see kindred spirits and have some leisure time. I must say, however, that the music/band did not go to those magical places we have come to expect from our old friends. There may be many reasons for this and an off night is naturally the place to start. Beyond that, I found there were a few issues with this lineup that may want to be addressed. First and foremost is Jimmy. He sure seems like a great guy and technically sound guitarist, but I certainly was not going to see The Dead to hear a million Jimmy solos. He has taken over the Jerry position in this band and that, obviously, is not the best idea. How 'bout some more audible keyboard work. You have 2 keyboardist's and I couldn't really hear either. I really like Joan as a singer, always have, but she was not as dynamic as I might have thought in this lineup. I also couldn't hear any Bobby guitar for the most part. Please bear in mind that I love these guys and there were moments where things worked (Bertha, The Wheel (great harmony), The Other One (PHIL)) but what I remember most is guitar noodling. We'll see where things go from here, but Warren is really looking good at this point. Finally, I will always be glad anytime the boys are Playin' in the Band and will certainly go back, but Jerry was and will always be the man!!! Love to all. Smithy

and you don't know if Joan sucks balls.....

but if she does I HOPE THEY'RE MINE!!!!!


HAHAHAAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAAHAHA

big suprise, dakota thought the show sucked.

>>>>"Oh Yeah Robert If you read the thread is says Reviews not Discussion."

followed by:
>>>Strawberry Fields, it was ok not real inspiring, I'd still rather listen to the Beatles sing it.
"DUH"

>>>>"Pete the Dead is over. get real kid."

>>>>"Robert whatever. You are now on My Full O Shit List."

comin' from you, assclown, that's a compliment. let's see if you can contradict yourself a few more times in this thread...and break your own record.

>>Pete the Dead is over. get real kid. Like i said above the drumz are worth the ticket price in my eyes. I never agree with anything you say on this board. Your one of those "The Dead can do no wrong" people.

I'm sorry. I don't like insulting anyone, but the above comment is insulting. You would never agree with anything I say on this board because you are a jaded self important head, plain and simple, aka a snob who thinks no one elses opinions mean anything. Keep up your Joan bashing. I hope you get a real kick out of it. The bus is back, and it's too bad you're not enjoying the ride. Maybe it's time to take a cab. WHAAA WHAAA, Joan is singing with my band and she sucks balls. Whaaa. I can never except anyone but a guy singing the Jerry tunes. Why? Whhhhhyyyyyyy? Whaaaaaaa? Mommyyyyyyy! Get over yourself. You sound like a friggin baby crying. "The Dead is over". Sounds more like you wish it was over. You're opinion is the only one that matters. Maybe the Dead should just cater to your likes and dislikes. Maybe then you might be happy. Then again, probably not. Gunner, you are sad. And it's sad to see such a sad individual after they just got a dose of the Dead. Enjoy PLQ when they come around. Maybe then you might have something nice to say.

...go to your corners and take a time out- or wander down shakedown street- chill out folks- we're talking MUSIC here

Need a spiritual re-kindling? Go up and read the very first post on this thread!

>>The Dead over the years has played many covers and either did the songs justice or for me did them better than the original versions, ie; look at all those Dylan songs.

sorry but IMO the dead never have done a Dylan song better than Dylans Original.

And when I said my friends I should have said people I grew up with. The music is #1 to me also but I had alot more fun in the lot or even in the beer line than listening.

>>>quivering knob,lol, makes me laugh

do you always laugh at your own jokes?

No just kooks opinions like yours Pete dont mean anything to me.

Im not the one who starts with the insults to any one in particular. Just because I didnt think the show ROCKED everyone bashes me and I dont give a phuck. Just wanted to say Im not the one who starts this name calling.

I'm sorry I should not have called you a name, I apologize.

and yes I do laugh at my own jokes!

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAAHAHA

This is all so Fuckin stupidHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHA

there I go again laughing at myself

later shizzzle maflizzleblat

but ya sure don't stop posting over, and over, and over, and over again until you get a rise out of someone, do ya? then you say you don't start shit???? pahhhleeezzz

Im not trying to get a rise out of anyone. The reason i keep posting over and over Is Im watching my 14 month old and I cant sit in front of the Computer to long at one time.

>>Im not the one who starts with the insults to any one in particular.

No, you just prefer to insult the band that we love.

>>I didnt think the show ROCKED everyone bashes me and I dont give a phuck.

No Gunner, you thought the show SUCKED! There is a difference. As matter of fact, you think the Dead suck and have sucked all summer long. You also think that Joan sucks(she even sucks balls!) And Jeff is a geek. Can't forget that. And how much of a bearing does his geekiness have to do with how well the guy plays keys? Phil is the biggest geek of them all, and we all still love him dearly. It adds to his charm. Does that mean he sucks on bass too?

>>Just wanted to say Im not the one who starts this name calling.

Yes you did Gunner. If I go on a Phish board and start talking about how much Trey sucks balls, I'm bound to piss more than a few people off. If I do it constantly, I'm setting myself up to get flamed. I think you just enjoy stirring up trouble Gunner. You're probably smiling up a storm in front of that computer screen of yours while beating your sausage. You probably enjoy whining and bitching and dissing people who like this band even more than you enjoy going to shows. YOU SUCK GUNNER. Even more than the worst aspects of the Dead could ever suck.

Phil is not a geek. Jeff platying is geeky, is Phils? hell No. If someone says something bad about a band you love big whoppie. Who cares when you start calling Zoners names thats when you cross the Line.

Joan belongs in the MTV world.
Jeff plays shitty compared to rob.
Jimmy needs to go immediatly, he is not getting any better IMO.
Mickey needs to get rid of the Vocal Mic.
Billy does everything Puurrrrrfect.
Phil needs to dump Jill.
Bobby should shave.

And you Gunner, need to get a life.

A show last night..From where I was in front..Jimmy was not too loud..same as Phil and drums..They were at correct level..

But...no Bobby..and no keyboards either..

geez... I sure miss the Fat Man.... ;-( The show last night sure reminded me how much...

-love Turtle

the irvine show was a mega disappointment. i was just getting over the fact that mickey sang one of the worst pieces of music, of any artist, when he starts singing again. its bad enough hearing ratdog songs at ratdog shows, but last night! my god. the deep end, c'mon. let mule do it or phil and friends.
all of the complaining about garbage on the east coast. please. last night was just as bad. how hard is it to bring a garbage bag to throw out your bottles?
when leaving, cars were driving over bottles sending glass shards everywhere.
the goodnight encore was not enough. and please stop breaking up help-slip-tower all the time. tower has become way too overplayed. it didn't take a genius to figure out that franklins was comin after stones.
the show was terrible, bottom line. it was a challenge to get up off the lawn.
bobby didnt even sing one of his own grateful dead songs until other one. hello? this is the only show the band has done in so cal in the year-plus theyve been reformed. not good.
why is jeff chimenti in this band? tell me please. baracco can sing and has earned the right to be more up front in this band. 2 keyboards, neither very audible.
I CANT BELIEVE MICKEY SANG! TWICE!
I hate to be the guy who rips apart a show totally, but i dont care.
i really thought wave to the wind was going to be the encore.
had a ton of fun in the lot and even though the show blew, next time theyre around im gonna go. why? cause im an ass.

>>>And you Gunner, need to get a life.

Pete there you go again making it personal. As far as im concerned i really dont care what you say because your the biggest kook on this site.

And you're the biggest whining bitch on this site.

Gunner, I really don't care what you think. You are gonna spew your venom untill the cows come home reguardless of what I or anyone else thinks. It's a comfort knowing that wankers like you comprise part of the GD family. Keep up the good work with your Joan and Dead bashing. Enjoy! On that note, I don't have anything else to say to you. I don't hate you, but the things you say make me want to PUKE the same way the music makes you want to PUKE. Peace out jackass.

Hey Gunner, why don't you spend your precious computer time looking for a job instead of spreading negativity. Or maybe that's your problem finding employment.

intersting views of the show, apart from all the bashing and non show related camaraderie- i must admit i agree with everyone's favorite guy these days (that's you gunner) in some key aspects of the band...
Jimmy needs to be replaced, there is nothing wrong with his playing or style (have seen him for over ten years here in atlanta, hell, he almost borrowed a guitar from me one night); we just need someone to shape the sound and add structure to the segues, someone to lead the band, since he is not singing, he seems to hang out in the backfield. Who then? Yes Warren would be great, or even Al Schnier from moe. (and probably would have my main vote). Jimmy is amazing, and his work on songs like Lazy River Road and Stella Blue this summer were perfect IMHO, but he is just a little too restrained.

Mickey will be allowed to sing one song a tour, and it must be published on dead.net before the tour starts. That way we can decide if we want to hear him (I would travel to see Baba Jingo or Aiko)

Joan is great, it will be interesting to see what she does with PLQ or even Ratdog, aparently, she's on the payroll.

Bobby needs to shave.

Billy and Phil, don't change a thing (personally, I like Jill, she's a good person)

Rob is great, it's nice to have a deadhead in the band. I really dig Jeff too, he plays (and instead of flaming this one, listen to what he does) some of the old Pigpen riffs. Keep 'em both, just don't stagnate them into only being allowed on certain songs.

All of this being said, I will see these guys in any formation as long as they'll let me. I agree with gdad, they are some of my oldest friends, for better ofr for worse. I envy you guys on the west coast, good thing there are some shows for the east coast this fall...

Lay off Gunner..some of you taking his comments about this band personally is scaring even me..

IMO..some ahole bashing a critic is worse than the ahole critic himself..

This band is playing good..but not good enuf for 25,000 seat venue..the lawn last night prob sucked..the pit was good..

I'd rather see one show a year and be close than 12 and be far away..

So call me nostalgic when I favorably type of last nights show..

I could call you naysayers the same..And would prob prevail in court yours against mine in case of WHO is really being nostalgic..

At the show..not at the show..Knowing myself..and putting myslef where the chances are best of being happy..That is what I can do to keep magik happening..

An unfavorable revue is not even a blip on my radar screen..

again bp said it perfectly.

Will I go back if they play withen an hour, yes. Why? Cause Im an Ass.

Gdad you're right and Gunner, with a comment like that, you have my respect. I apologize for harsh words. There is something to take away from evry show. Are you coming East for P&F?

>>>>Hey Gunner, why don't you spend your precious computer time looking for a job instead of spreading negativity. Or maybe that's your problem finding employment.

Hey Keith, with only 43 posts I would recomend you use your precious computer time more wisely than for shittin' on someone else's opinion.

I was sitting right next to Gunner and I had a blast. I enjoyed the show and thought they played well, although Gunner thought otherwise we had a good time talking about expectations and what the band was doing different in these new shows. Sometimes its a good thing to hear a different opinion than your own. Gunner did'nt ruin my show one bit sitting next to me. In fact he made it 100 X better than it could've been. So please tell me how he's ruining a show you wern't even at.

Read the setlist, it was'nt a great show.

Gunner and Jasmine, thank you and I hope to return the favor soon.

No worries Timmy it was a pleasure! Lets hook up soon for sure. You gotta give a couple guitar lessons. Email us anytime.

ps: the 1st set for Shoreline is posted and so far song selection looks alot better.

internet communication and personalities...so odd. they should have an internet sociology class...prolly already do.

peace. my apologies for the aggressions. i respond poorly to excessive negativity...it an "opportunity area" for me. ;)

timmyhoover - you're post doesn't even rate a response.

I also Apologize for being too negative to anyone who I pissed off, No Keith, will be at the Warfield though.

for anyone interested LA Times has a good review of the Irvine show today with qoutes from Bobby and Joan.

Good luck to you Gunner no ill will meant here, just passion about music. Maybe smoke a phatty with you one day durin' drumz.....

>>I also Apologize for being too negative to anyone who I pissed off, No Keith, will be at the Warfield though.

I'm sorry about insulting you Gunner. You're entitled to your opinions. I just got pissed about some of the things you were saying. I was out of line trying to play the good vibe police. Have a fun time at the Warfield. Peace.

Gunner's only valid point was taking away Mickeys mike.

Jerry's gone & nothing's gonna bring him back.

Joan is a stellar addition, I think you may have some open paint cans in your bedroom......

Here's my play by play...(And remember, I'm a trained seal.)

Thanks to G.Dad, traffic was a non-issue. After a 20 minute wait on line to get my ticket ripped/scanned, I got into Irvine Meadows at 7:10pm. After worrying about missing the opener during the wait, upon entry I noticed that the venue may have been 20% full, tops. After a summer of being relatively prompt, The DEAD did the SoCal heads a huge favor by starting a half hour late so the late arriving crowd could get in.

Ruby hooked me up with center ORCH, ROW-B seats. I'm ready. The band takes the stage and start the noodle jam and then bang, "Help on the Way!!!" Good stuff early. During Slipknot!, I'm wondering about sandwich fillings. H2H was another great selection; played nicely with Weir trading and keeping up with Joan's vocals all the way. Go WEIR!!! Hard to Handle was great. I look up and notice Mickey's mic had been positioned for action and think to myself, "It's good to get *the* Mickey song in the first set." Watching Mickey close-up is better than hearing him sing; the man is a trip. Ramble on Rose was a nice recovery from the Mickey tune. Strawberry Fields was trippy as all hell and worked nicely. Mountains on the Moon followed; not the strongest Mountains all summer, but it was nice. The new Joan song was *my* first 1st set low point and I don't remember the song at all. The Bertha closer was a really good selection and played as well as The DEAD generally play. Wonderful first set to begin Leg-3.

The 2nd set started with the full band backing a Weir lead FOTD; no fireworks to start #2, but a solid FOTD nonetheless. They continue a noodle jam after FOTD and I say to my friend, "Something big is coming." WRONG. (I'm a HUGE Weir fan and I love RatDog's music, but it didn't fit right here.) All of the FOTD momentum vanished as Even So began. (FOTD momentum = Bucky laughs) The audience had no clue; the RatDog songs were unrecognizable to many, if not all. OK, so toward the end of October Queen (a great song at a RatBob show) where it's usually highly jammed out, it is falling apart and dying slowly. I'm watching Jimmy *not* play any notes when it's supposed to be peaking. My 2nd set low point. Does Jimmy not know the RatDog songs at all? All of a sudden I notice Mickey's microphone again; Strange Remain. Mickey twice? Jimmy played the hell out of this Vulcan double-header and it's solid, again with Mickey visuals tripping me out (in a good way). Then The Wheel, one of my all-time favorite songs ever, starts rolling. It was a nice slow Wheel but (for me) it just didn't click. I comment, "Recovering from the RatDog tunes/Mickey combo is more challenging than expected." The Other One that followed was easily my highpoint song of the entire show; it was too short, but it was right on and real. Molo added a good vibe to Drumz, if nothing more. Space, and the full band 5 minute freaky jam that followed with Joan adding vocals was uplifting and spectacular to say the least. I would describe it as a 'Cirque du Soleil on acid' jam and that was my favorite segment of the evening. China Doll followed. In my two The DEAD shows, this was the first *Joan moment* that did not work for me; it just didn't. Many loved it; not me. I wanted a high energy big explosion tune after the lovely freaky space jam; too bad for me. The Throwing Stones was solid and well played. Then an intense 10 second Slipknot! lead into the sandwich set closing Franklin's. Franklin's Tower was a great crowd pleaser to end the set. Phil's Donor Rap was clear and well presented. The AWBYGN was a nice encore.

(From a Weir lover: Just imagine how much better the 2nd set would have been with an Est>Eyes, Playin'>UJB, or anything else, instead of those RatDog tunes. I just knew they'd make up for *that* at the following show, and they did.)

As a trained seal, I loved it all and I'll be back for more. I'm grateful.

thanks for the posts gdad...

always enjoy 'em on this end...

schizzle

there have been no comments on "the deep end"...did they really play this song? who sang it? i assume this was the gov't mule tune, am i correct? was it even worth the time? this seemed to be the only "new" (1st time) played...am i wrong? does anyone care?

PEACE

Julian:
The Deep End is an instrumental jam off Ratdog's Evening Moods album (basically a variation of the other one scale). To actually call it as a song played is a 50-50 proposition in my book.

The Dead @ Irvine....Sad to say by far the most dissapointing Post-Garcia show yet for this active post-Garcia attending fan. Bob didn't sing one original GD tune of his all first set! "Hey Bob remember those songs you used to sing in first set like Truckin?, Estimated?, El Paso?, Big River (For JC), Wangdang Dooddle?, Minglewood?, Master Piece, LL Rain, Mamma Tried, Samson?, Me & My Uncle?, Cassidy?" Not a one folks, nope all Jerry tunes thrashed by Weir's vocals and a subpar H2H featuring Bob Joan. Warren does H2H w/ the PLQ far better than the Dead. Why don't they let Rob B sing Bertha, Help, and Ramble On like in the Quintet? Rob's vocal are far more suited to Jer tunes than Bob's. Beside Bob has HIS tunes I thought anyway. They even let Micky sing twice?!? Yuck! I always say keep the Mic away from Mickey! First set was seriously lacking!
2nd set, Once again I was a disappointed not hear Bob sing one of his tunes. FOTD was okay as was Mountains. But Why, I must ask, is the heck is Bob singing RD tunes @ a Dead show? Must he force that shit down are throats when we are there to see GD tunes? Where are all the 2nd set traditional Bob tunes like Playin, Sugar Mag, Music Never, Estimated, Victim, WRS>Let it Grow, Lazy Lightening >Supplication??? Shit even a Victim or dare I say a Corrina would have been preferable to RD tunes and an unknown Joan tune as well as 2nd Mickey tune! Finally there is ray of Sunshine during the show when Jimmy (aka SUNSHINE) ripped up the Other-One with Bob singing it proper. Next they went into traditional drumz w/ Molo. Hearing Drumz was refreshing and then they followed with a trippy space and settled into a decent wheel to follow. Next up was the unexpected CHINA DOLL! For me this was the highlight of the show! Joan was simply beautiful on this tune! Then a very nice Throwing Stones to follow and thanks to Phil and Jimmy a ripping Franklins. BYG was okay but prefer the PLQ's version over the Dead's any Day.
After seeing this show I am soooooo grateful for the reuniting of the PHIL LESH QUINTET! Viva La Quintet. See you other lucky Folks @ the Warfield.
Peace and Light ((((ZONERS)))
JR

>>> "Something big is coming." WRONG.

Yeah, you almost thought for a minute you might be in New Jersey or sumthin' . . .

>>> All of the FOTD momentum vanished as Even So began. (FOTD momentum = Bucky laughs)

>>> The Deep End is an instrumental jam off Ratdog's Evening Moods album (basically a variation of the other one scale). To actually call it as a song played is a 50-50 proposition in my book.

Gads, where's my air sickness bag?

>>> Recovering from the RatDog tunes/Mickey combo is more challenging than expected."

Oh, man, and I thought the Gorge reviews were funny - I GOTTA stop readin' this sh*t or I'm gonna need an appendectomy . . .

>>> As a trained seal, I loved it all and I'll be back for more. I'm grateful.

Now how could I've left out the best line of all?

Just like you'll all be voting for Gov . . . . AGAIN?!?!?!?!

ya i think the irvine show had good moments and bad overall i had fun saw old friends dosed and just had fun i thought joan sang china doll very nicely or maybe i was too high correct me if i am wrong the other one was good and just to say i think the grateful dead played some of dylans songs better but mostley just different they took the lyrics of his songs and added there own sound to it like desolation row was played alot better by the dead then dylan jerry was the man. peace

hmm, a glance at OCRS doesn't show 'the deep end'--was this song performed at irvine or did it not make it to OCRS? did they get the title wrong? or was it really a strange remain intro jam?

Wasn't there but got the OCR. IMO this one is all right to sit and listen to but it never takes off. : (

By Brent Kliss (Brent) on Wednesday, January 21, 2004 - 06:28 pm: Edit Post
This is the 1st story I've ever written. Please read it ya all, and let me know what you think.
Note: "the Orange Curtain" is a reference to Orange County--a region of Southern California infamous for it's sterile conservatism.

Report: Dead By Brent Kliss


September, 18th, destination: Irvine.

The bell rings at 2:40. I gladly listen as 3 freshman boys wait patiently to tell me about their favorite strategy games. Down to my class room, to put the final touches on the subs lesson plans, and to call the absence hotline for tomorrow. After I show my neighbor, Laura, how to check the oil in her car, I take my packed bag down to the gym, for the refreshing shower that will begin my journey. All doors locked, no janitors or a friendly face. I go to the bath room near my room, strip off my shirt and put a paper towel in the basin to use as a bath.
Being on the road now feels good. Never mind the clomp, clomp, from the exposed steel belt, of the right rear tire. It gets eerie as I enter into the Orange Curtain. Since I have my MSN map to “Verizon Wireless Amphitheatre”, sailing should be smooth.
Getting closer now, I can see the new world order of 18 lane freeways. I’m in one of the 6 regular lanes, a carpool to the left, and 2 exit lanes on my right, but there might be more going the other way. So close though, that I don’t realize that I’ve gone all the way down to Richard Nixon’s old haunts. I exit to turn around on the street I use to make deliveries for Speakercraft.
Quick north jaunt, and I’m on the perfectly engineered “Parkways” of Irvine. Now, I find it a good sign when I’m in a double laned, left-turn line. I see police, standing in the massive intersection, to be ambiguously reassuring. I say to 3 young dudes in a clean, generic colored Nissan, “excuse me.” “Do you know if The Dead are playing around here tonight” A brown shaggy haired boy with an exotic, snaking tattoo, smiles warmly and giggles “yes.” I ask if it’s sold out. He says he has an extra. “How much?” I ask. “Face value, just what I paid for it” he says while looking for the ticket, “forty-eight dollars”. I sweep my hand into my glove compartment, and pull out two twenties and a ten, while opening my door, to arrive at his passenger seat window, in one fluid dance motion. We exchange the papers, and I am back in my car moving slowly toward the intersection. I look at my Ticket-Master ticket with a $48.50 price on it. After coming to a complete stop, I am at his window again handing him Brent’s Picks #5.
Inside “Verizon”, the last hundred yards to negotiate a landing is thwarted by parking attendants, who seem like they want you to run into them.
Finally, stopped! Oh boy! I strip off my school clothes and put on the deep maroon, flannel pajama bottoms, with little pictures of East Indian elephants, in black and white, which go down to 3 inches above my ankles; the ones Gen bought me for Christmas. A soft, fake batik, long sleeved cotton t-shirt completes the outfit.
Now to give away these CDs and I’ll be free. My first stop is the perfect SUV behind me which seems to have a nice sound system. I ask Dave, who is a short, lean, bespectacled, thirty-something, ex-New Yorker if he would be interested in any of my CDs. I spread them out on the carpet of the van. He looks at Brent’s Picks #3 and #5, and relates to two songs on the #5 CD. He indicates that he really can’t use them. I go to pick them up, but then it occurs to me, he doesn’t understand. “They are free” I say. He lights up and starts to look at Disk 1 and 2 of BP#5. His 3 buddies are all gathered now, happy, but more curious than anything. I tell him Brent’s Picks #5 is a set, and he must take them both. They are meant to be listened to together. His friend is real interested in Brent’s Picks #3, so I give him that too. I had to be off though, to unload the rest.

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At the next vehicle with music, resided a cocktail loving graybeard and his friend. When I gave him my last BP#5, he said, “nothing is for free!” I forgot to tell him, “nothing ain’t worth nothing, unless it’s free.”
A tanned, muscular young man, was getting stuff out of the driver’s seat of his SUV, when I walked close to him and said, loudly and sweetly, “does anyone like Lucinda Williams or the Be Good Tonyas?” He looked at me politely, but somewhat annoyed, and said “no thanks.” At the back of the SUV, a gorgeous, tall blond, woman said meekly, “I like Lucinda Williams.” I give her the CD, she gives me a soulful look, but I resist the beginning of her motion to hug. As I walk away, the guy at the front is slowly coming back. I can see he’s not smiling, but you can’t tell if he’s quite scowling or not. As I go, it dawns on me. I spin, and walk back, and say to her, “If you like Lucinda Williams, I bet you might like the Be Good Tonyas” and hand it to her.
All gone! Time to relax. I go back to my car for an oil can of Foster’s Bitters. First drink of the afternoon. The Jersey boys are overjoyed and ask me to hang out with them. We talk about this and that. I ask them if this concert sold out. They tell me it was a big sell out. I tell them I had a hard day, like every day, teaching high school. Like my old friend, Doris Osko, always says, “If you aren’t exhausted at the end of the day, it means you didn’t really teach anything that day. And some days, that’s got to be the way it is.” Some girls who have dropped by relate, and find the idea of teaching high school to be overwhelmingly difficult. They offer me a bowl of marijuana. I explain that while all summer I get high from sun up to sun down, and that I haven’t smoked in 4 weeks, except for one Monday at my dear friend Danielle’s house. I point out, “so you know how you get real high on a little.” The boys and I hang out for a long time. Too long. Their conversation seems to be one of trying to impress. I look for an out to go

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explore, but don’t make it. One says to me, “I’m not that educated, so I don’t understand all those words.” I tell him, “It’s not you.” “I blather.”
Often times, I find that I don’t have the patience, to be here now, with straight males. And this time, I have waited way too long. The cotton mouth is unbearable, and my skin is oozing it’s sap from my dehydration.
I set off towards the entrance, expecting to find a drinking fountain, and hopefully a sink. The pot was some nice, green kind, that I fully inhaled and held. Things are getting where you interpret conversations toward you. The sounds are not pretty. And I keep hearing fag and queer. No water anywhere. I find that there are people sitting on asphalt forever, waiting to get in. No grass, no tress, no water. Brent has forgot his water! I try to walk around the vendor isles, with all the beautiful babes, but I can’t take it.
That’s it! I’m parched, hot, dirty, it stinks, and there is no place to relax. I’m leaving! I want to be home with some hi-fi Dead, water in a real glass with ice, and a easy chair. I take one more quick walk down Shakedown Street, set in mind, that I will feel good walking to the car. I quickly flow down the main street and spot at a distance, two beautiful babes with their hands elegantly aloft. As I breeze by, I softly slide my ticket into one hand.
I find the car with no problem. But wait. Look around. The cars are really pouring into the main entrance now, and there are people partying in all the parking lanes. I’ll never get out at this time. What’s around? Off at the end of the parking lot, is an amusement park. There will be fountains there. As I get closer, I assess where the water would be. I scout farther along the rails and sidings of the closed park. No water any where. What kind of park? A water park. So now I’m strolling around the area, lightened up by the bemusing fact, that I’m going to die of thirst in

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front of a water park. I laugh at this with a young, but oh so beautiful and true hippie couple. He insists I drink his quart, backpacking container of water, while she keeps asking me if I want her pint bottle. I say no, since I really want to drink all of that quart. She explains that what she means, is if I want to take the bottle and keep it. They encourage me not to leave. We hug, and I go off with the now empty pint bottle, in search of a spicket. I’m pretty sure I can find a spicket somewhere, even behind the Orange Curtain. I have to pee too.




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By Brent Kliss (Brent) on Wednesday, January 21, 2004 - 06:30 pm: Edit Post
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So, I find the old nice buildings that are the bathrooms. They are locked, and women and men pee in the cubbies in the courtyard. That’s better. Now, more water.
I find my spicket on the main entrance side of the bathroom.
So I fill and drink many pints.
I feel much better, and will enjoy this from a distance. I hear a nice dog barking. I sweetly bark, “doggy doggy doggy”, and find a nice Asian, hippie couple with two bassets and a golden retriever by their van. I play with the dogs, and feel human again.
Now, what did I want? Oh yes, hi-fidelity Grateful Dead. I go from vehicle to vehicle, dancing to the tunes, all the while keeping close enough to the spicket, to keep filling up pints and pints of water.
The best sound system was in this guy’s big, red truck, where a party of 5 was hanging out behind. I found the sweet spot near the door and danced my ass off to a 1981 “Scarlet Begonias-Fire On the Mountain.”
Now, I am getting into a cycle. I need to pee a river every five minutes, but am still am so thirsty that I keep filling up those pints of water. But, I think, with one more full pint, I will be able to start strolling towards the front, since the band may start soon. Oh I’ll need to piss all right, but I guess here and there will do for a toilet.


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Well, the people seem quite nice. And what have we here? Three beautiful, young hippie girls, glittered, with shimmering oiled skin, and sweet patchouli scented breasts come up to me, and ask me if they can give me a massage. “$1 a minute, and you get to sit in a big comfy chair” they say, oh so sensuously and enticingly. I got $60 some dollars in my pocket, I’m thinking to myself. But moments like these are no time for speaking or thinking. I finally say to them, “I want to, but really can’t right now.”
Why? I got to pee now! I will have to pee in 5 minutes from now, and again 5 minutes after that. How can you enjoy a massage if you need to pee during it?
So, a half hour on the grass near my pee spot, and I feel like trying to make it towards the front again.
It was a nice trip. I’m hungry now. Haven’t eaten in 26 hours. I meet a nice group. The leader is in a wheel chair. They are packing up, but he feeds me the end of their grilled salmon and peppers, with crackers. Oh was it good!
The front is groovy. A collective down by San Diego warmly gives me their newsletter. I set a towel down, and listen from near the gate. I sip, luxuriously on the juice of a fresh, green, soft flesh coconut through a straw. I get into the best grove of the night near someone playing drums. I perceive flashing lights as I danced in perfect syncopation. The last flashing light comes as I make my last spin before moving on. A woman has a camera pointed at me.
I get up and begin to groove right at the fence. Some ugly looking, hetero men ask if I want to jump the fence with them. I look aghast at them, and shout and spit “FUCK NO!”
That’s it! Where’s security? It takes a long time to find them. But I tell them to watch the front fence. I tell them ugly fuckers like that did this before here, and it broke Jerry’s heart.


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Back up at the fence, and calmed down and groovin, I see 3 beautiful vegetarian type hippies, slinking over the fence. I walk up to the last one over, who is now on the other side, and gently say to him, “wait, I want to tell you something.” He is a sincere guy, so he pauses and turns to me. I say, “people broke through this fence, at this spot, a long time ago.” “It was really ugly, and it broke Jerry’s heart.” I start to cry. I tell him “It broke Jerry’s
Heart.” I walked away weepy eyed. He softly called out “wait” to his friends, and whispered to them, and all three climbed back over the fence, and came out.
“Bertha” was great! I threw off my sandals and danced wildly up and down the wide asphalt isles with all my beautiful sisters and brothers.

Now, I’m back in the Republic of 3123 Terrace Drive, Pop: ?

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