Morning, All. Heads-up for all attending Columbus show: Great interview with Phil featured in "Entertainment Columbus";FREE copies can be picked-up at corner racks/newstands/establishments all over town;GREAT pump-up for show!

Does everyone know this is a brand new venue designed specifically for music, including separate showers for roadies, offices for the band etc.? The venue features an outside amph. on one side of the stage and if you turn around on the stage, you face an indoor venue with a retractable stage to cater to the size of the crowd (from 500 to 3500). Let's break this place in!!!!!!!!!

Hey all...really looking forward to seeing Phil. I just moved out east from Northern California,(where i'd been living since 1995) and was lucky enough to see many incarnations of Phil's band and his gigs with the other boyz and the Trey/Page shows in 99.

Bringing a newbie with me (one of my students) and he seems psyched, only having experienced the boyz through tapes and cd's. Looking forward to sharing the groove with everyone!! See you all at the show!!

Onur,
Nice to have another English teacher on the board!! Have a great time tonight!!

TO ANYONE WITH THE TOUR:
I am a Macintosh consultant. I do free gratis work for RatDog when they come through town. I am available at Columbus if you have any problems and would like the same or If you'd just like to meet so that you know who I am for future tours. You can email me at whiggins@themacguru.com

(I also just rec'd my new iPod http://www.apple.com/ipod/ if anyone wants to see it. It seriously rocks!)

drivin in from pittsburgh today. lookin forward to the show and checkin out the new venue. hopin for a viola lee and a brown eyed woman. see ya'll there!!

You lucky people are in for SUCH a treat! These guys are totally loose & ready to kick some ass! They sounded like they were warming up in Chicago.. But not without rocking hard & Phil telling a great story... Then the Fox in StL. smoked all the way thru! Louisville had some more great moments & incredible sounds... These guys are playing the best I've ever heard them (live or from cds) & I hope all of you enjoy yourselves & spread some love to each other out on the road...

Can't wait for tonight its going to be sweet.
This is a brand new venue and the sound is great.
Hoping for a scarlet fire or darkstar.

i hear that...scarlet fire and darkstar though phil did do a scarlet fire there over the summer. how 'bout a comes a time? this is my only show of the tour but damn am i excited. getting ready to leave work now. everyone have a great time tonight and on rest of tour.

You guys are in for such a wondeful time. This is the best I have heard them sound. they are tight and driven. It is near, dare I say, vintage quality.

Have a REAL GOOD TIME.

Another English Teacher here in St. Louis.

all of us english teachers in the world who became heads--is there a pattern? leaving right now for the 2 hour trek to columbus...everyone drive safely and watch out for the coppers...see you all soon!!!!

Hello All!

I will be travelling up to the show at Oakdale Theatre in Wallingford, CT on the 20th. It will take long bus rides to get there, but it will be my first Phil show. I am pretty excited about it. I was wondering if anyone is going? Or if not, if anyone is familiar with any inexpensive campgrounds in that area? I would appreciate it! I am looking forward to the experience.

P.S. I don't teach English, but I do teach at a small private high school down here in Louisiana. I love my job!

-remarkable.

Enjoy the show tonight folks.

Chaucer, Shakespeare, Whitman, Cummings, ha ha ha, Garcia,...all brilliant in their own ways. I think that Shakespeare would have been a deadhead!

Too Jam or not to Jam....well of course to Jam!

Right on Phil!! English teachers UNITE!!!!!

shouldnt we have a first setlist by now???

Jam>Scarlet>Sugar Mag>Uncle John> St. Stephen> Playin>Jam>Deal
set 2 Mississippi Half step>Fire>Wish you were here>St. Stephen>Dark Star>Jam>St Stephen>She Said> Playin> Sunshine Daydream E. It's All too Much

How's that for a setlist, Dave?

Shawn, you got your Dark Star

Before anyone get's to pissed that's just a setlist and unless I'm psychic, not the real list.
But sure looks like fun, no.

Set 1
from shakergirl: Jam> comes a, blue sky, lil lite,
mrror>fantasy>jam>mnt jamtease>fire
Set 2
shakergirl: jam>wharf>jam>slip>night of
1000, Dark *(1st vs)>mnts. of the
moon>dark* (2)>tomorrow never>
jam>angel band e:tom thumb's

OK so here's the real setlist
Set 1
Jam>
Comes a Time
Blue Sky
Just a Little Light
(a song I've never heard before)
Dear Mr. Fantasy>
Fire on the Mountain

Set 2
Jam>
Wharf Rat>
Slipknot>
Night of a Thousand Stars
Dark Star>
Mountains of the Moon>
Tomorrow Never Knows>
Dark Star>
St. Stephen>
(a country gospel sounding song I don't know}

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Just Like Tom Thumb Blues

Sometimes you got to go through hell before you get to heaven.
Getting in to the venue a major hassle, an hour and a half in line outside for a venue of only 2500. I didn't get in til the middle of Comes a Time. It was obvious that they oversold the place. It was wall to wall people with no room to dance, though many people tried and I kept getting hit with flying arms and elbows. All of this put me in a very foul mood. And I couldn't appreciate the music of the first set at all.
Thankfully the place cleared up a bit during the set break and stayed that way for the second set. When Slipknot materialized out of Wharf Rat it finally broke the spell of negativity. The rest of the show was bliss.

St Stephen, yes or no?

>all of us english teachers in the world who became heads--is there a pattern?

Onur, not wanting to parse this sentence too much, but shouldn't it be "heads who became english teachers"? :-)

Hope you enjoyed the show. Looks like it was a hot one--as usual!!!

CJ from HSU (email coming soon)....

St. Stephen most definitely yes. Probably the highlight of the show.

That tune was called Angel Band

from: Cutlers setlist

>Onur, not wanting to parse this sentence too >much, but shouldn't it be "heads who became >english teachers"? :-)

ok, yeah got me there Gravytrain--are you in Arcata too?

hey, when i'm not in my office, english teacher mode becomes very subtle to non-existent.

show was hot, but sometimes i feel these really small venues are not always the best choices--really rumbly phil tonight with some nice pops, but overall a pretty raging show...mellow, but continuous. Gotta spin away folks...have a good morning.

>enc:
Just Like Tom Thumb Blues


Is it just me or has this been lacking from the past few tours' setlists?

Whew & Damn! if I only could've made one more day... you can't always get what you want... You people seem to have some great telephathy going, calling a few of the tunes from pre-show posts! I almost tried for Columbus but couldn't roll on from where I am. Too Bad! whew! Looks like a righteous & incredible show & I can't wait to hear the show on AUD, then DSBD! What a luckt crowd we are!

Sweet list.

What's Angel Band? Never seen that one on there before ...

That second set looks like one for the ages

was this the tune?

ANGEL BAND

My latest sun is sinking fast, my race is nearly run
My strongest trials now are past, my triumph has begun
Oh, come Angel Band come and around me stand
Oh bear me away on your snow white wings to my immortal home
Oh bear me away on your snow white wings to my immortal home

Oh bear my longing heart to him who bled and died for me
Whose blood now cleanses from all sin and gives me victory
Oh, come Angel Band come and around me stand
Oh bear me away on your snow white wings to my immortal home
Oh bear me away on your snow white wings to my immortal home
Oh bear me away on your snow white wings to my immortal home

Written by : Traditional / Emmylou Harris
From the album : Angel Band
Label : Warner Bros Records 7599 25585-2 (1987)

Great show from the opening all the way to Angel Man. That is second night in a row with the boys singing great harmonies to end the show. Check out the stanley brothers doing Angel man.

However the venue was not conducive to a great time. Way too many tickets sold no place for everyone to go. No room to really dance or hang
out. I was upstairs in the balcony and there was just no room but looking downont he floor it sure looked worse. I got lucky and got into the copr boxes but soon those where awash with humans trying to find some space. Really way over sold, even the lobby and bar where packed. Not a lot of phun that way.
Plenty of great palces to play in Ohio besides a big ole bar.
Anyway a great show just dampened a bit by the place.

How much do I hate the Promo West Pavilion & Why I will probably never go back.............


1. Security: While standing inline we were subjected to the mouths of former High School Football players & current jocks from the OSU campus. My wife an Operations Manager for an International Machine tool Company & taping partner/Neurologist were told that they were and the rest of us were Heathens (So I might fit that bill but hey not the right way to make friends)

2. Venue: For a new venue it could be all right but there are some VERY BIG problems that need to be addressed. 1. If you want a line to form properly, place barricades on the sidewalk to form the line, Duh! 2. When people pay $40.00 for a show a small amount of courtesy to the customer. 3. Either put up a tarp of some kind or don’t let people drink beer above the sound board (Cutler was WAY, WAY, WAY, PISSED OFF when DORKS in the balcony, spilled beer on the board, threw trash down on the board, Cigarette butts, balloons etc.)

3. Getting in: HUGE HASSLE-Each person who came to the door was asked to empty their pockets to be searched. This caused a massive back up in the line & also allowed people who just got there to cut the line in front of people who were in line for hours.

4. Getting busted: I guess maybe I’m to blame here, but shit man I was SOOOO discrete I can’t believe it happened, also the security taking a $100.00 glassie from me & then lying about throwing it out and keeping for themselves really pissed me off.
Also a Philzonian friend of ours was almost kicked out for some well placed bitching (P.G. version)

5. Overselling the show: I don’t believe that the venue was oversold (It sure did feel like it though), but I do believe that the people that were there showed no consideration for their fellow man & woman and their personal space. In doing so, these unkind & uncaring people made this place very, very uncomfortable for many people.

6. Jerk-Off Tapers: This one hurts me to write about but it needs to be done. I stood in line, Freezing my ass off for a good 2-½ hrs. I was first in line & the scamming, cutting, to try to get in before me sucks & doesn’t happen. Once inside one guy actually had the nuts to tell me he was going to put his stand up right where mine was (didn’t happen) then proceeds to drop his case & gear right where I was going to stand?? A-Hole? Yepper. But wait there’s more…. Then this ass knocked over my beer all over my cables & then later my rig took a nosedive from the moisture in the connections.

7. Jerk-Off Fans: Sheena the unwashed Precambrian hooker in heat, has yet to let up with her Xena warrior princess yell in to the mics. Several times I had to go up into the balcony to shut-up the thoughtless people who were yelling and whistling into the mics just below them

Review of the tunes to come in a while……..

Damn, sounds like the Phish audience is stepping up their presence at Phil shows. Phish phans don't get your panties in a wad, I believe this is just a symptom of the overall decline in manners & consideration of others.

Yeah, I heard Phish fans are developing pointy ears. Every single one.

"Sheena the unwashed Precambrian hooker in heat"

That was freakin hilarious

Yeah it must be the Phish fans, they cause all the problems. Whatever dude grow up.

Must have been those Phish fans their so disrespectable. They should behave more like the kind deadheads at deer creek in 95. those were quality fans, all they did was tear down a fence, cause a riot, and strip me of my last ticket to see jerry (4th row might i had). only thing i hate more than the taliban are those fucking gate crashers--->can't wait for phil in beantown.

I feel sorry for Tapecat. He may have become too... specialized in his concert needs?

I feel sorry for us because the screaming and the spilling destroyed a major source tape for this show. If minimal civilizad behavior is a specialized concert need, put me in the special section. If I want to mosh, I'll go see Tool.


Its not the phisheads, its the rudeheads that are the problem

>whatever dude grow up.

Anyone else see the irony in this statement.

Allow me to explain...The term dude..while a word we have all muttered from time to time, is a term that all but defines youth and immaturity. I do not know the person who wrote this, but it is humorous when to imagine the possibilities.

It is not a knock on Phish, nor are we passing judegement on all Phish Phans. But there are an alarming amount of inconsiderate and rude "Kids" who follow Phish. Many of whom, were on tour with mom and dads Platinum Card in their Navigator and seemed to be more concerned with where the next tank of Nit. Ox. was and how they were gonna scam that coveted bottle of Sammy Smiths that would further add to their aura as a kind "hippie like" soul who was genuine. Meanwhile they were ruining the experience for the rest of us who came for the Great music and good vibe that the scene was supposed to offer. Don't get me wrong,I had some miserable experiences at Dead shows in the early 90's. The Phish scene, however, deteriorated more rapidly and to worse levels than I had ever experienced. That is why I won't be attending any more Phish shows.

The tell-tale event for me was when a Kid with the with a T-Shirt that read "Give Peace a Chance" and dreads and patchwork shorts began to push my girlfriend in the back while we were in line to get in at a show. I turned and said "Hey..relaxe...we can't go any faster."

He looked at me and said "Fuck you shit face!"

I told him to calm down as not to touch Melissa again. He said "well tell her to get her laim ass outta the way."

I got pissed and let him know. We almost fought. I never felt that way before at a show. That was it. I know I shouldn't let one bad apple spoil the bunch, but this was just one event. Inside shows it seemed to be every man for himself rather than a communal vibe.

Oh yeah....the post said for the Phish fans to not get their panties in a wad...so remove your wad.

>I feel sorry for Tapecat. He may have become too... specialized in his concert needs

Don't & Hogwash, I take up very little space(as proven by the PHAT Fox & Palace tapes done from a single seat/Stealth/Up front)
I'm simply looking for a small amount of courtesy for others in attendance. For Christ sakes if it were an Opera those folks would be usherd out, now I know thats a stupid comparison but isn't there a decent middle ground that can be reached?

Yeah I feel real sorry too, yep sorry that I have Only seen 32 Phil shows this year, & not more

Didn't mean to specifically single out Phisheads (if you read the 2nd part of that statement), it's just that the 2 Phish shows I tried to see had much of the same type of behaviour described by TC. Not saying that Deadheads don't act the same way (as evidenced by the Deer Creek show referenced), there just seems to be a larger concentration of Phish phans that fit that description. Can't say I've seen crowds like that at .moe shows, or say, Derek Trucks Band shows. It just seems to stay centered around Phish & Dead-related type shows. Again, don't get your panties in a wad, just an observation & I apologize if any Phishead was personally offended.

Touche, Philmore 1313! ;0))

I know what you mean tapecat for some stupid reason all the promo west pavillion is another shitty newport with better sound and newer. Let me start off by saying there are some really cool cats who live in Columbus but there are far more idiots in this town who continue to piss me off. I am not as pissed off at the Phish heads in the scene but the fucking jock heads who have no clue in what's going on. Enough said the show was really good and the sencond set rocked, but I could'nt get into it as much as I did in Louisville because of the rude and dont give a shit crowd. I got my Darkstar though he he ha ha

Phil y sus Amigos in Sohio

Day Off: Gregg Schmegg & his better half Ms.B (1rst Philzonians to penetrate my lair), and a taper friend stayed over. Can you say, Day off party down? Many 6-packs were drunk; much Herbal refreshment was consumed, Mexican Grub Fest & the Award winning CheeseCake of the Gods was served. Damn Good Time I tell you! Jilly & Sideshow were supposed to come but never made it………Too Badddd!!!

I’ve already ranted about the Venue so I hope it won’t creep into this review, it’s certainly tainted but I’ll try to do the tunes justice by giving it the old next morning listen. Here Goes…..

Set 1: Hey I called the opener-Jam. Yeah old & bad joke (It was at this time I was robbed of my possession, Tainting begins/bad sign). After toying around in a standard PLF manner the band slid effortlessly into a nice Comes a Time, not what I had hoped for or even in the same tempo, but hey I love the tune and got into it none the less. Then for a good tempo change they took off with a rousing Blue Sky, which was really, nice & whipped up the crowd into a happy frenzy. After a pause for a breather we get to rock out yet again with my personal fav of the Brent selections, a HOT Just a Little Light. At one point during the solos Warren & Jimmy & Phil were jamming so Hard that my entire body started to buzz, it was a very interesting & intoxicating feeling! Whew, Smoking, time to slow things down a bit. Mirror of Thalassa up next to fit that bill and after the singing was done the noodley transition took us into Fantasy. Gotta fess up here, so far the tunes weren’t really getting me where I wanted to be. I wanted, Needed, some fast INTENSE PLF to cure my ills & I wasn’t getting’ it! With the Fantasy over with the transition started to build momentum, a little nod to Mtn. Jam which they would later expand upon some and then finally into a full on rocker, The Fire. It was as if Phil knew what I needed the man they blasted that puppy out! This was the injection I was looking for (Also needed to face the oncoming onslaught at the set break)

Set Break Action: With the house lights up I noticed many humorous things. Well depending on how you look at it of course.
1. No. As much as folk’s in the zone want to bash Phisheads, they weren’t the problem. I think (Ducking for cover after this statement) it was college students/jocks & an influx East Coast Knuckleheads. Read on friends…..
2.The next thing I noticed was, it looked like a Narcolepsy Convention in there, people passing out every where I looked sometime 2 at a time in my same line of view. But the best was yet to come…..
3.LadyTC had to work that day got off late, got pissed at security right from the get go in line & with their thievery and had it in for them. At the break she wanted to take the load off, so she sat down beside me to rest. Before you know it Mr.Too much food & not enough evacuation security jarhead tells her she can’t sit down. Folks there are NO seats in the venue at all for anyone other than the corporate box holders in the balcony.
Can you hear the straw break?
The full on German nature of my little hottie comes out and Mr. FOS Jarhead is now under a Blitzkrieg. Jill & Sideshow, Gregg & Ms.B all the tapers and another maybe 70 folks or so get the pleasure of watching her reduce the size of this man’s junk to a mere pin head. Truly a JOY to behold!!!!

Set 2: After many equipment adjustments and hittin’ the overflowing bathroom I was ready to settle in for the second set. The boys come out MELLLLOOOOOOW, not what I was looking for at that point. Lazily they toy around until they make it into a just as mellow Wharf Rat, this song I couldn’t concentrate on do to the new positioning of the crowd I was fully protecting my stuff from the hoards. But as I listen to it now it’s very, very good(outside of Sheenas war cry, which is nearly as bad as the whistler so tapers BEWARE! She’s on tour & coming to a town near you). Things start to pick up dramatically when they break into a strange jazzy Slipknot but I was slightly hampered by the possibilities of repeats and the Boom, Night of a Thousand Stars. I can rock out on this tune but NO WAY do I want to see it as much as they play it, where was the Midnight Train? Rock’ n Roll Blues?

OK Bad stuff Over Salvation is at hand!!!!!

The Dark Star hits and I’m am finally in the place that I want to be, blissfully jamming along to the jazzy/spacey riffs of the psychedelic side of PLF. This is also where the College folks seem to head to the bar and fade from the show for me. Music too out there and complicated for the young alternative/raver college folks but the food of life for me. As we float along through the DS we soon hear the landing on the Moon and I’m pushed that much further into the happy zone. The jamming out of Mountains was dripping Dark Star Psychedelic Madness and soon the tell tale chords of Tomorrow Never Knows can be heard and then I’m thinking wow this show got SAVED. Looking down at the timer on the deck I figured that was it. PSYCH!!! Finally we get a show in the midwest that will compare to most of the east coast in length. As I think it’s over they dropped back into the Dark Star. Fully showing why I LOVE this band SOO much. The worst show is soo much better than all others it’s sick & then even during your bleakest moments they can turn on a dime and KICK YOUR ASS!!!!But Wait Now comes the moment where I get Friggin’ Ecstatic as the DS peters out they slam us with a stompin’ St.Steven completely taking me over and pushing all the crap out of my head for a while. Real Bliss. To end the set the new tune Angel Band, in the vein of Bid you Goodnight; this tune had a very low-key tickling of the Ivories and stunning harmony from Rob, Phil & Warren. During the break as I survey the Tapers eyes I see a look of tired, warn out people ready to bolt out of there like the starting gates of the Indy 500.
For the Encore a was happily surprised by a sweet Tom Thumbs Blues, considerably different from the standard fare and I hadn’t seen it for quite some time.

What happened with me digging thru the trash in search of my glassie will stay confidential, what I had to say to the cops, security, and staff of the Promo West will also stay confidential.

Have fun out east my fellow Philzonians the runaway train is on it’s way……..

>Can't say I've seen crowds like that at .moe shows


I agree. There have been some rotten happenings at Dead and Phish shows. Part of this is because these were the two biggest scenes (outside of Dave Matthews which I won't even get into..love the bands music..not a fan at all of their scene..anyone seen my abercrombie jacket, hat, shirt, and jeans? Do I have to take my 13 year old sister? My frat brothers won't think that is cool!)...sorry I ramble from time to time...

I was at Deer Creek in 95 and saw what a mass group of idiots are capable of. This was when I realized that it had gotten out of hand. Unfortunately, in my oppinion, after Jerry passed, many of these younger kids hopped on Phish Tour and continued to tarnish the scene.

I have never seen these sort of incidents at Widespread Shows (saw one fight at the American Theatre a few years ago and it was broken up quickly and peace and order were restored), never saw this at a Leftover Salmon Show, Not at a String Cheese Show (they are starting to infiltrate there as well though), and never seen it at the countless other related shows I have been to.

Phisheads are not a problem, the rude kids who seem to be drawn to Phish, for some reason, are the problem.

I was so excited when I found out some of my students a few years ago, were Phish fans and Deadheads..supposedly..but all they talked about was the partying and seemed to compete for some sort of heirarchy based upon total shows attended, t-shirts owned, trivial facts, and dirtiest hair. When I tried to talk about the feelings that the music could conjur, they all talked about "Oh yeah this one time, I was at Riverport and on some sweet bud and I felt like I was riding on the music DUDE." I asked if any of them have reached that level or a comparable level without chemical aide. No one had....they all looked dumbfounded. I teach at an alternative HS by the way...They all made it a competition about who was better...the dead or Phish...

Oh well...I am not trying to be negative...just shedding some light on the situation.

As far as consideration being a Tall order at a concert..I hope we have not reached that level.

Not all athletes are inconsiderate and rude. I played baseball in college...1/2 yr in the Cardinals Org. I coached 2 yrs of college baseball and now I coach HS football and baseball......but there are a large # of asshole athletes too. I am well aware of that

No ones panties are in a bunch, that was just an ignorant statement, thats all.

What's wrong with Columbus?

Its all that cheese those mofo's eat.

Do you people know that Columbus is one of the top 5 Rube epicenters in America? The Midwestern Rube is a plodding, loudmouth goon, much different than the West Coast's shiftier variety, but dangerous none the less.

Click below for information on how you can combat Rubes.
http://www.angelfire.com/indie/drunkeneagle

I do want to take this time to tell all of you that went to Columbus that I am sorry that the venue and a few backwards ass people seem to have spoiled an otherwise wonderful show experience. On behalf of the Midwestern States, I appoligize...even though Chicago and St. Louis seem to have been represented well. I am glad that everyone seems to have had a good time at the Fox. Wonderful place.

Sorry if I offended any Phisheads. It is simply an observation made by myself and many of my friends.

The chicken

Phish blows and their fans suck dick..


Reviews please..

If someone calls your girlfriend lame ass or tells you, fuck you shit face, you should break his nose, it's very easy to do. I guarantee you he will never get loud with anyone again. Thankfully the Beacon is the best venue and we don't have to put up with any of this bullshit. Violence is never the answer, but it can ocasionally help.

TOUR-RATS!!!!!

Cryp got blown by Phish AND their fans....and decided he prefered socks

But his socks are all disgusted with him and won't touch him until he goes to the doctor

>Violence is never the answer, but it can ocasionally help.

El Tiante sheds some much needed light.


He should have tuned that motherfucker up.

cryp sucks dick for coke

j/k

You'll enjoy this one Cryptical. I went to my first Phish show in 98 or 99 at MSG. My buddy had 2 extras and I was selling them at face. As I was selling them to this dirty kid, he turns around to some other kid who was looking for tickets and tells him he has two to sell him right here, refering to my tickets, for $10 more a ticket than I am selling to him. Right in front of me. I bitch slap the kid and tell him if he needs the extra $20 bucks I'll jam it down his throat. The kid pretty much cried and I sold the 2 tickets at face to the guy and his girlfriend that he was trying to bang out for an extra $20. People will think I'm the bad guy for getting violent, but he's the bad guy for trying to make an extra $20. With that slap, I'll bet he never did that again.

>cryp sucks dick for coke

only for headies, pharmies or nitrous

>Phish blows and their fans suck dick..

Cryp went Phishing?

yawn
zzzzzzzzz

Otis, my man!!! Wish I could've seen that!

BTW Yes folks Brian was correct- He has found the correct song and lyrics

>was this the tune?

ANGEL BAND

I'm trying to inform you people on the dangerous, intolerant mass proliferation of Rubes infiltrating the Phil scene and all you
can talk about is sucking dicks.

Go figure.

lmao!!!

Hey fellow Phil Phans. Please stop the arguing over grateful dead vs phish.....or warren vs herring vs Kimmock........or P&F vs Ratdog......and all the other arguements on these boards.

Just be thankful that we still have good tunes to listen too and shows to go to. These guys won't be around forever. Thats a lesson Jerry taught us back in 95. I have been in this scene since 92, and have seen some great shows. Take the good with the bad and do your part to make the bad better. Enjoy P&F or Ratdog or Trey or Dave Matthews or SCI or WSP.....or whatever you get into while it lasts.

Oh....and please keep the reviews coming. I am a homeowner now and work a steady job. I am depending on my kind brothas and sistahs out there to help me relive these shows. And anybody with phil boots at the end of this tour....please email me. We can trade. Peace and love to you all.

"Theres nothing you can hold for very long"
"This darkness got to give"

Midwestern Brotha

Hey Art,

We like to argue about all those things.

There are a couple of problems with the proposed theory of occasional and nesacary violence. I am 6' 240 lbs, I would have beaten this 5'6 140 lb Platinum card carrying, private school ID toting, silver spoon sipping, ricky schroeder on Silver Spoons with dreads looking wanna be barn hippie into a slippery pile of saturated dung..which could have led to someone slipping and injuring themselves causing them to miss the show that they had purchased their tickets for via mom and dads computer using moms Diners Club card without tellig her....which could have led to them not getting home by curfew so that they could smoke their bong and listen to Dark Side of the Moon while watching The Wizard of OZ like their "Step by Step Guide To Being A TRUE STONER PHISH PHAN!" told them to do........that..... and I value my career too much to jeopardize it by beating up a teenager in line at a concert. I am a teacher...might make it hard to find work.... and I am generally agaist violence unless it is to defend myself.....otherwise, I probably would have turned his lights out, not for his fuck you comment, but for insulting and pushing my girlfriend.

The point of all of this is that the kid was a rude poser..much like many of the other kids on Phish Tour. Hiding their embarrasment over the fortunes that their parents have worked to build in order to provide them with a decent future, opportunities, and a worry free lifestyle so that they might grow to be productive and educated members of society, behind a dirty, earthy (polite for Body Odor) hippiesh poverty stricken exterior that gives off this aura of a downtrodden, misunderstood youngster rebelling against the injustices of the world. Most of whom are so bent on pissing off dad and his Bently driving croanies, that they never realize the true beauty that music offers.

I have no review to offer since I was unable to attend this show. Sorry for my strong oppinions and my incessant need to post them. Truth is..I actually enjoy Phish's music.

fellow english teachers...please excuse the misspellings and gramatical errors.....writing this in class...while students work on projects.

The Chicken

Art,

I am right there with ya man. I don't get to make many shows anymore. I love the music that all of the groups you mentioned offer. I love Dave Matthews , Phish, Widespread, SCI, Leftover, .moe, The Dead, Ratdog, Phil, Kimmock, Herring, Haynes, and others (even jeff Peaver) that have been mentioned on this board.

I, like many others, have become disillusioned with the scene in general as of late. I just wish more people were considerate and it has been my experience that there was a larger concentration of inconsiderate people on Phish Tour.

Others may disagree...sorry

Phil, you should have your students edit your posts for you.

yeah probably so....kinda dark in here ...they are watchig Pi now..masterpieces of Lit class...good flick. I have headphones on comp..listening to music. Last hr of the day. Wish I was headin up to Buff. That would be nice.

You may have a point there Phil Wright. BUT the Phish scene is not the Dead scene. As depressing as it sometimes may be, there are messed up, f*cked up, sorry, rude people everywhere. Don't let it ruin your day. There's plenty of cool people there too. Just listen to the music. I know YOU KNOW what Im sayin'.

There are many inconsiderate people on any tour and in this world as a whole. This is a fact

Rutherford is correct. The real problem is that kids these days, in general, are not taught the meaning of respect.

I believe that to be very true Brian.... being a kid myself. I've seen plenty of older ones too. Im sure they just stick out more. Ya just tend to remember those certain people in the lot.

As I resident of Columbus and a person that's been on the bus for quite a while, I feel horrible about the happenings at the brand new PromoWest Pavilion. To start out the night going through an extremely long line with no organization; to entering a venue where they sold so many tickets, that to breathe was an effort; to entering the parking lot afterwords to see two tour rats fighting it out with a beer bottle and knife (oh, it's true); it seems hard to belive that there was a positive. But, PLF delivered the goods in extremely stressful environment. Living in COLS, i've gotten used to the RUBES. You just have to know how to deal with their beer guzzling ways. But I never can get over the bad tour element that followed the Dead, jumped over to Phish and now seem to be back with us (hurray!). I can't do much about them, so all I can do is try to bring positivity with me to the shows I attend and hope it's contagious. There must be plenty of others with the same idea helping to feed the band, because that's the only way Phil and Co. could have pulled out a show dripping with psychedelic energy like the one last night. From Slipknot! on, those guys totally made up for any negativity I dealt with last night. It seems there's two choices, stop going to shows or try to influence the scene in a positive way and hope it catches on. Together we can change the ways of the RUBES and TOUR RATS!

The only rude, inconsiderate people are the ONES ON THIS BOARD!


You arseholes.

:^)

>I was at Deer Creek in 95 and saw what a mass group of idiots are capable of. ... after Jerry passed, many of these younger kids hopped on Phish Tour and continued to tarnish the scene.

Deer Creek was our hometown venue and since I'm born on the 4th of July the show that was cancelled. not to mention the seats we would have had for it wne up in smoke due to these gate crashers.

One popular opinion at the time, was that many youger Heads, and I use the term lightly, as well as many Phish Phans had been to that year's Woodstock and made much of the party that the Dead circus had become. A lot on non-phish or Deadheads came along for the party and that was who crashed the fence and trashed this venue.

All I know was that we were in Bolinas that Fall after Jerry's tribute and some young folks came up to us trying to sell some typical tour junk, when Carol heard one of the girls bragging about how she had gotten into Deer Creek for free, she was actually proud of her fence experience, it was all I could do to keep her off the little slitch.

> never saw this at a Leftover Salmon Show, Not at a String Cheese Show (they are starting to infiltrate there as well though)

Well, I am sad to say I have seen plenty of it at both group's concerts over the years.

>Not all athletes are inconsiderate and rude.

Just the Jocks, who have been on Steroids since they were 13-14... Universities find these jobs for them so they can supplement ther scholarships. Hey, beats studying.

>Take the good with the bad and do your part to
make the bad better.

Stand your ground and do not put up with any rude behavior. I have had way to many otherwise potentially great experiences ruined by the necessity of watching out for my sweet petite.

Violence in line just means that you have a greater chance of missing the show you came for.

TC, I am so sorry to hear about your experience, but can only imagine that you handled it with aplomb. Would have loved to heard a tape of Lady TC dressing down that goon. Sorry about Sheena, but at least you know she's a Real phan. Hope your dumpster diving was a positive experience and not more bad news.

I wish I could bring all of you to the Beacon. It is such an excellent place to see a show any show. The Phil scene is great. Everyone respects the music, the people and the venue. Getting in is usually not difficult and the security staff is cool, unless of course you act like a jerk. From the Brothers-Phil-Widespread-Willie Nelson you'll always catch an excellent show. Joe Strummer rules.

sometimes it is beneficial to go back to re-read what you have written. I know this, but unfortunately, I forgot to do so....after re-reading what I have written here, I realize that I sound like a pessimistic and generally miserable old (i'm only 28 but I sound 70)fart....the truth is that I am very thrilled and appreciative that Phil and the rest of the family is still going strong and that there are so many younger groups out there that feed off of the vibe that was started long before I was around. I know exactly what you mean about P&F offering night after night of wonderful positive energy. It is just easy to get caught up in the negative when it seems to be so prevelant at so many shows. In general, however, I am a positive person...can't wait till the next time I get to see Phil...It will be sweet as usual!! You are right, we cannot do much about them, but we can try to turn them on in a positive manner.....if not...their loss...

sounds like ROSELAND WEST

>Universities find these jobs for them so they can supplement their scholarships.

well that's annoying. atheletes on full rides aren't supposed to work at all. it's agin the rules. boy....i'm just full of worthless trivia

>atheletes on full rides aren't supposed to work at all.


Besides that, being a former athelete on a full ride, you don't have time to do this if you wanna graduate. I worked the door at small bars in college...mainly for spending money and so forth.....it was exhausting...but never any real troubles..I surely would have been nice to heads

Useless knowledge that one can spout out on a whim, makes that person much more interesting....

Anyway....would love to go to the Beacon..friend went to see ABB the last 2 years and loved it..raved about it.....Will make that trek someday.

Let's clarify the Deer Creek, 1995 situation. Those who were "rioting" were those without tickets, and not "real" deadheads which of course were attending the show.

I saw this whole thing go down and from what I recall it was all started by a bunch of young punks. Everyone involved looked to be younger than 25 years old. I'm pissed too that they ripped me out of my last Dead experience and that show was one of my worse as the house lights never went down and the band was obviously uncomfortable.

So, I don't think deadheads caused the problems at Deer Creek, it was just clueless A-holes that had nothing better to do with their July 4th weekend.

Hey people......glad to see the positivity creeping back into the board. Keep the faith phriends........Lesh will do what it takes to protect the scene. I truely believe that. Just keep the good vibes and steer clear of the tour crazies. Maybe we should start passing out Limp Bizkit tapes and tour schedules at shows. The rubes might get turned on and start following them instead. Just a joke. Cheer up people. And somebody booogy their ass off for me at one of these shows as I cannot make any of the dates on this tour due to work.

IN PHIL WE TRUST,
Peace and Good Vibes to all,

Midwestern Brotha

Last night in columbus was a great waste of time and money. I have been seeing dead shows since 89 and have never left a show until last night. My wife and i waited until 8:45 to enter so we wouldn't have to stand online like cattle. Once inside we quickly realized there was no place to go where you could sit and watch the show. In my book that is a failure of the promoters and whoever agreed to have a show there. Do we not deserve a place to sit and see a show for the prices they are asking? Contrast this show with the Ratdog show that was recently played in toledo. In the toledo case, everyone had a seat, and there was room to retreat from the crazy crowd if you felt the need. In our case we went up to the balcony to get some space to sit and relax. My opinion is that phil should never play there again, and i for one will never go there agin for anything. Have some respect for your fan base Phil, play at a nicer place next time, we love you dearly but need to have a certian few criteria met at the venue to have a good time. As i said before we reluctantly left the show right after blue sky, but it had the same kind of relief as walking out on a lousy dirty job. We felt the main problem in a nutshell was too many people there. Who's greedy decision was it to sell that many tickets.... cause whoever makes a call like that doesn't have my support.

I doubt Phil's to blame here, Foxtrot ...

From what I've read, this venue is pretty brand new.

Seems to me, then, it might actually make sense to send a letter to the venue of complaint to the venue ... too crowded, line management etc ...

(be polite, works better usually)

I imagine if it really is new they'd be looking for some sorta feedback about the place.
Maybe i'm not cynical enough

Tyler

40 bucks or $38 or whatever it was seems kinda expensive if you ask me, especially for general admission, no seats means you stand on your feets.
nowhere to sit at all is a real drag after waiting so long just to get in.

$38 face value to stand in a ridiculously long line outside, get treated like shit by security, get pinched and patted down like entering county jail, then crowd on in to enjoy no elbow room and no place to breathe having missed half the set.

Personally, I think the ticket prices should be cheaper from the gate, $38+ ain't no chump change.
This is just too much money to charge for a joint with no seats, especially considering service charges and all of that. Two $38 tickets purchased through ticketbastard is really around $100+ bucks when its all said and done, and if you get them sent to you its even more. Then, its off to the gig to get rip-jobbed on beers or even water, parking, etc...On top o' that, the security and staff at these venues treats the "top dollar ticket holder" like garbage.

Look, I love Phil and his music, to me he is the best thing going...but concert ticket prices need to go down regardless of who it is, ticketmaster needs to be taken to task, and venues need to have some respect for concertgoers who are already taking a beating in their wallets.

Phil Wright, (This is way off the subject)
I don't know what grade you teach, but I teach 10th grade literature at a public high school. I try to work music into my lessons whenever possible. I watched "American Roots Music" on PBS last night and was very impressed with the way the documentary presented the whole genre of this type of music. Anyhow, I am ordering the DVD set of this and will teach it to my kids in addition to my poetry unit. Many cool things can be done with the kids with this. Just thought I'd let you know. You can get other information on pbs.org. BTW, if you or anyone else out there has educational ideas that would work in a classroom, please put it up! Seeing we have many teachers on the board, let's share ideas.

--Personally, I think the ticket prices should be cheaper from the gate, $38+ ain't no chump change. This is just too much money to charge for a joint with no seats, especially considering service charges and all of that. Two $38 tickets purchased through ticketbastard is really around $100+ bucks when its all said and done, and if you get them sent to you its even more. --

Dos- theres a simple answer to your statement regarding ticket prices/exorbitant surcharges -try mail order- one of the best things going, service charges are nominal, usually about $3 per ticket. I don't think anyone on this board has any affection for ticketbastard, they screw you everytime.

I think the tickets for Phil are reasonably priced, when you take a look at the prices some bands are charging these days. I saw Neil Young solo in NYC, and the seats cost me like $75 each. Sure a little pricey, but worth every penny after the show he put on. First Dead show I saw, my ticket was something like $20, pricey for a teenager back then , but again, worth every penny.

"It takes all you got just to stay on the beat
You say it's a living, we all gotta eat...."

There are some strong feelings on this board.
I would say that if you dont agree with some ones opinion Than post your own, And we'll decide who sounds like the dumb ASSSSSS.

PLEASE, PLEASE if you were unhappy at the Columbus PromoWest Phil show, email them at the link below:

http://promowestpavilion.com/sections/feedback/index.asp

MAKE YOUR VOICE HEARD! I live in Cols. and complain constantly about PromoWest (they also operate the Newport, the other venue in town). They manage their venues very, very poorly. I've had complaint letters printed in the paper, etc, but I see the poor management has followed them to this new venue.

Shmoopatties

I doubt Phil's to blame here, Foxtrot ...

From what I've read, this venue is pretty brand new.

Seems to me, then, it might actually make sense to send a letter to the venue of complaint to the venue ... too crowded, line management etc ...

(be polite, works better usually)

I imagine if it really is new they'd be looking for some sorta feedback about the place.
Maybe i'm not cynical enough

Tyler

New to the scene, thought L'Ville was best music experience i'd had in years....until... i saw the mass of beer bottles ALL around the scene. sounds like vibes in COL were a lot worse, but we've got to make it better one day at a time. saw the motto "Be Good Family". Not sure how long it's been around, but it must either be TOO long, or not long enough.
planning on at least 2 NorthEast shows, and will take trash bages with me to help. anyone else game?

Did anyone besides TC actually go to this show?
Reviews please :>

"Several times I had to go up into the balcony to shut-up the thoughtless people who were yelling and whistling into the mics just below them."

Tapecat, don't you think this behavior is a bit presumptuous and drastic?

I taped from '86 to '90, and I know what it's like to have messed-up people come purposely yell into your microphone for the sheer pleasure of it. However, there's not much you can do about it, and I don't really think you have a right to go tell people in the balcony to be quiet. No doubt, you have big cajones, tho.

As for Columbus, I've seen Phil, Phish and Trey Band there the last couple summers and, at least as far as Polaris goes, I've found the phan behavior no worse than at other venues.

Cliff

>>"Several times I had to go up into the balcony to shut-up the thoughtless people who were yelling and whistling into the mics just below them."

Tapecat, don't you think this behavior is a bit presumptuous and drastic?

NO,I'm not talking about someone who is occationally whistling & Yelling while having a good time. NO Sir. I'm talking about people who are going at it Non-stop with no regard for anyone tapers or otherwise. I'll let everyone do their own thing but there's a point where something like that starts to bug everyone. Also once I shut someone like that up I usually get thanked by many people in the general crowd.

and yes I have the biggest Brass set-o-nuts you every saw, so I have NO problems getting in anyones face( Ask Cryp about the whistler in the lot at greatwoods)

If you folks re-read my review you'll find the complaints were maily directed at the venue, not the fans.Also check out most of the other posts, and guess what their negative.

I was at the Promo West as well as Chicago, The Fox, and louisville.First of all Louisivlle was the only venue that was easy to ge into. After what happend on Sept 11 I am amazed that people still complain about there time beibg inconvienced for the sake of everyones safety.In this day and age any time you put thousands of people togehter you are creating a target. All it takes is one fanatic to sneak in a gun and PLF could be history. Secondly Phil has played tons of venues without seats, i.e. the electric factory and Roseland in Ny. Most clubs that hold concerts do not have many seats, its theatres and Arena's that have the seats. Finally I have seen Phil in a lot more packed places than promo West was, for example his 60th birthday at the Kaiser was wall to wall. The DARKSTAR>MOUNTAINS>TNK>DARKSTAR>ST STEPHEN>ANGEL BAND was some of the greatest music I ever heard. The head Prankstar is now hanging with the Angel Band, Its got to be a blast. RIP Kesey!

I love Phish Heads as much as the next person, so, if indeed they are on this bus and fucking it up, they are going to have hell to pay by the time they get around here. Too many Philzoners who wish to vent expletives at them. What is the difference between a Lot Rat and a Phish Head? Nothing. No more Phish, all Lot Rats. Hey, they actually demoted themselves.

As for Sheena, the Whistler, (god help him this year), and anyone else creating more noise than the band, a concert is a forum to LISTEN to music. The Chain Gang is a place to whistle while you work. There is no excuse for that crap. And then they bitch about the quality of the discs.

TC, sorry so much crap took away from what was probably an incredible show.

>What is the difference between a Lot Rat and a Phish Head? Nothing.

naaaaa. Plenty of non-Rat Head, Phish Heads out there. You just don't see them as heads. Incognito. Met / know plenty of them my self. Very cool people. Just cause you don't have dreds or patch work cloths, doesn't mean your not a Phish / Dead / Phil / what ever... Head.

It is pigeonholing I know, but the truth is that there are a lot of young (-22) people on tour who have no sense of respect for the show, the audience, the venue, the scene, the image of the scene, the landscape, etc.....they are there to get fucked up, get a t-shirt, validate themselves as HARDCORE PHANS (no matter what the band) and stomp on anyones toes along the way in order to have great stories to tell when they get back to their illustrious Ivy walled school/ frat house.

It is truly depressing when so many of us are trying to do what we can to help the scene out and make things better. I know image isn't everything, but when we are polite, cooperative, and generally not a hassle to businesses in the area, we loosen up Johnny Law when he know we are not a problem

Deer Creek was not Deadheads, I agree. But the problem is that they were associated with us. When people in In, who are not associated with the Dead, hear that a "Dead like" band is coming to town, they surely fear the worst.

I just think that these kids should be held accountable and also should be shown the best way to enjoy the music, the scene, the atmosphere, etc...in a positive manner.

Nick,

Safety concerns are one thing, total over-reaction is another...checking for weapons is one thing, but shaking people down like they are complete criminals is another. Over-reactive emotive Rubes are the source of this secutiry onslaught...I would be more concerned riding the subway to work than going to a P&F show. When I went to Oysterhead in October, the security was tighter than any airport security I've ever seen (pre or post Sept 11). And what did the security goons get out of it? Lots of people's pipes and stashes and lighters and all sorts of stuff like that.

As for the no seats thing, I don't know, I wasn't there, yet it sounds like a drag to me. I do know that Columbus has a really nice music hall downtown...

Phil Wright ~ I never had a problem at the Phil shows I've been to. Although Im 23 and have to agree mostly of what you said about the young kids at shows, at least the majority. I've only seen a few small shows w/ extremely cool, courteous, and kind people in my day. On the getting searched thing... I think thats just the times nowa days, not due to the fans to an extent. Im sure you could go to a Metalica concert and get the same search more or less. Although I do have trouble believing the Dead at one time had all courteous, super friendly, kind people. Im sure the shows in the late 60's -> 70's where way kind. But Once the Dead reached out to mass media, I think thats where a lot of the scene was lost. There is always trouble in mass's. Like I said... I wouldn't know, 23 here. Just sounds like an impossible situation when your seeing the bigger bands?

Let me start out by saying I'm 47 years old, and I went to this show. If you looked at your ticket and did a little research you would have known General Admission in this case meant: standing room only (which the PromoWest web site stated) and that means no where to sit and CROWDED. What I didn't expect was how smokey it was. I couldn't wait to get outside to I could breathe again. Fortunetly, the music was unbeleivable, this was my tenth Phil show and the best yet... They played an hour and a half first set and a two hour second set, 3 1/2 hours of seriously jammin' tunes...

Hopefully the unfortunate incident of beer being spilled on the sound board, will have them wanting to find another (better) venue in Columbus.
As far as security's concerned, even before 9/11 security was nazi-like for alot of Dead/Phish/etc shows. What's sad is security is like that for any event now. Try and get into a Browns game without being seached now.
And if you lose your pipe or stash cause a security guard takes it maybe next time you'll be more discreet and put it down your pants to get in the venue and toke up when security's not looking, No matter what you think, pot is still illegal..so don't be a dope about it!

>pot is still illegal...so don't be a dope about it!

Amen! If you take that risk, don't get upset if you get busted.

hell, i'd be upset if I got busted by some security goons. come on folks, all this "that's just the way life is" stuff only proliferates more intolerance, and I'm not just talking about toking your little bowls or whatever you do. It's too damn bad.

I'm still curious why concert security is much stricter than airport security. I flew from LAX to Logan on Sept. 17th and it was a breeze compared to the Palladium.

I geuss the days of doing whippets at the garden are over?

You know, when Jerry played Broadway in 87, it was understood going in that folks had to be on their best behavior--and they were. Hell, Bill Graham himself was patrolling, so you would've really felt like a jerk if you were caught out of line. There was no smoking in the seats, but in the little lobby by the bathroom folks were sitting down between sets openly packing and smoking.

At that point I was proud to be a deadhead--we showed class

I totally agree with you, botb. great point. right on.

Thanks TC for the verification of the song ANGEL BAND's origin.

As for your troubles @ the show what a bummer, but if you felt half as good as I did by just reading your description of the st. steve then it seems worth the bullshit.

sounds moving

Yea, I know, just what we all need another opinion. Well at least it's free. I was able to attend the Chicago and Columbus Phil show's. I missed most of the first set in Chicago due to the lengthy line and search. One set for $40 and a four hour drive. Oh well it was bound to happen sooner or later. The second set was still worth it. One set is just not enough so I was able to make it to Columbus. Another great show. Crowded, rude security and rude drunks everywhere. Sorry but that is not Phil's problem. Phil and Friends did their part, if not more.
This line up is incredible. I'm sorry for those of you that don't get it. This is so much more than just a band. Warren and Phil have had to face some harsh, cold realities and they both share the loss of a close friend and partner. In the aftermath of that loss, they both had to face the possibility of not being able to continue something that they spent their whole lives building. Through it all they have been able to face their fears, overcome some difficult hurdles and not only continue to follow their dreams but are now taking those dreams to new levels. I do believe that all the members of the current line up had reached a point of uncertanity in their carrers. That is kind of how they came to be in Phil and Friends in the first place. Just looking for something to do while they contemplated their futures. Then they listened to the music play and the future was clear. The musical skill is not the only common ground that these phine phellows share. It doesn't get much better than this. Phil and Friends are definetly playing some heavy southern rock. Unfortunetly for some this may be a bit to much. Fortunetly for me this is exactly what I want. In your face DEAD!
I love the way Jerry used to play. He opened my eyes and changed my life. I could never find a replacement for him, I don't want to find a replacement for him. I do want to move on. I want to go somewhere that I have never been. Jerry may be gone but I am still here. I still want to travel the path that Jerry showed me. Untill last fall I thought that I would never hear those songs played with so much power and emotion. I even became a Phish phan in order to fill the void. This whole summer became a celebration of second chances and renewed dreams. Life is temporary. Enjoy the time you have. For many of us the time we get will be to short. Recent event should have taught you that.
Concerning security. People you have no buisness taking pipes and glass in to a theatre. You will almost always get busted. If you gotta smoke. Roll a J (before you go in). Don't pass it and cup it in your hand. You should only need a few for the whole show. All other intoxicants should be digested by the time you get in the door. If you have to load yourself up with so many drugs that you can't go through a search and not get caught, well maybe you need to get caught. I mean what are you there to do, drugs or see a show?
Problems with security are frustrating. But they are in control. You have no defense. I tend to refer to them as sir or mam when speaking to them. Trust me it helps, not always but usualy. If you conduct yourself in a sober courtious manner you will usually avoid any real trouble. If you seem to be dealing with some overzelous asshole that is getting off an a power trip, well continue to conduct yourself in a respectful manner and when some of the other securiy see that the only asshole present is on their staff they tend to step in and help ease the problem. As soon as you say FUCK YOU, you have lost.
To those of you that have to blame us Phish heads. Your inability to define and recognize the real problem is not helping matters. It's not the Phish heads (at least not all of them).
The problem is drugs and alcohol and our need for a buzz. Somewhere we figured that it is impossible to have a good time sober. You definetly can't have a good show sober, wrong.
Americans in general have a huge problem with drugs and alcohol. For a dead head this is even more so. Drug use is everywhere and many of us have either had drug and alcohol problems or have drug and alcohol problems. It is in our songs, stories and our legend. Maybe it is time to think how important all of that is. Is it impossible to have a good time sober? Do you have to get completly trashed to go to a show and show the world what we are about? Because most of the world thinks we are about drugs, alcohol and patcholi oil. It amazes me how many common folk forget that there is a band and music involved. Well I have rambled way to much, sorry. Hope to meet some of you at NYE. And no I won't be sober either. It was just a thought.

Why does everyone have to be so friggin' emotional
around these parts?

Just a thought...........

Just say no to patchouli oil! I can get behind that.

I hate to say it, but I have never seen the aggression, violence, or serious lack of concern for "the scene" on the West Coast like I have on the East. Sure, there are problems at every show, but seeing shows in the midwest and east coast are crazy! Too many colleges w/ too many fraternities breeds some potentially crazy people. Mix in some serious uptight vibes, and you are going to have problems. Other than shitty venues (maritime hall for example)the West Coast is so much more relaxed. Everyone on this board should come out for New Year's and RELAX!!!

>Everyone on this board should come out for New Year's and RELAX!!!

Let me use your rest room.

I really pity all you folks that allow a shady situation at the venue to interfere with your enjoyment of the music. You all missed one hell of a show!!

I was just as upset about the long wait to get in and how crowded it was, but that was all over the first note of the first set!! Great show. When you see a show with a Comes a Time, 3 Dark Stars, a Wharf Rat and a St Steven, there is simply nothing to complain about. You paid yer money to see a show, and you saw a great one, sit back and think about how you felt when Phil dropped the bomb going into Slipknot, and if you can still manage to bitch about the tour rats and Phish kids, then please send all remaining tickets on this tour to me, cause you dont deserve to be there.

Sorry for the bitterness, but I checked out this page hoping to see some actual reviews from people that actually listened to what was going on, and all I get is bitch, bitch, bitch...


Peace,
Jay

Word UP Jay. Couldn't have said it better myself.

fantasitc show! This band is so incredible. But I also had a run in with a person who had no clue about personal space. I decided last summer that if someone else invaded my personal space I was going to say something -- politely of course, but if nobody calls a person out for that type of behavior it will persist.

Well I was on the balcony and I got an elbow jab to the ribs and I was told that I had to move. I said that I did not have to move and that the best I could do was to stand up straight with my arms at my side. I was called an asshole and threatened. At this point I decided to ignore the person and we sat with our elbows pushing against eachother during Fantasy>Mt. Jam tease> Fire. The person soon went back to the bar never to return so the rest of the show was great.

>I really pity all you folks that allow a shady >situation at the venue to interfere with your >enjoyment of the music. You all missed one hell >of a show!!

I made every effort to not pay attention to this jerk, but the situation was very tense and detracted from the experience.

To all the seat jumpers and personal space invaders out there STOP IT!

i'd like to add to this area with a more authentic discussion about the music.

this was my first show this year. i've been mving during the summer and the spring was spent finishing my MA thesis.

i must say that at 60+ yrs. of age, Phil still has wonderful energy, exuberance, and he seems to really enjoy the fact that he is on stage playing. Looking towards the stage, i was upstairs, crowded in like everyone else near the corner, but i spend the entire night watching Phil...not really even dancing, but just concentrating on the effor the was putting forth. His concentration was intense, and the low bass notes reverberated really well--i love that feeling when your deep insides rumble due to his playing, and there is a intimate connection between the melodic lines he plays and the deepness of the repetition...i love the fact that his repetition seems to be a form of change, to paraphrase Brian Eno.

the jam in the beginning before Comes a time was a rager, 70's electic fusion boiling into a slow down tempo wave a thon...the bass lines intertwining witht eh guitar flurries from Haynes seemed to emerge conducively with each other--as if they were symbiotic. the night seemed to be like one long Dark Star jam, interwoven with some beautifully melodic playing from everyone. Molo seems to enjoy his role as the rhythmic anchor, as he allows Phil to pursue deep space...

the St.Stephen seemed contrived thoug, i must say--as if everyone was waiting for a song they could sing too...but still it got everyone out of the deep slumber (induced or not) of phil's notes, and intot he singing and dancing mood...the whole show was like a 2nd set , a la 10-16-89.

anyway, i appreciated all of the effort from phil and the boyz. I am not within the scene much anymore as i am working diligently on my Phd, but to come back in, even at a bad venue that was too crowded and ful of young kids, was still pure bliss. I enjoy just knowing that the spirit lives on and that Phil has not compomised any of his otherworldly journey's in to the deepness of the zone. he still has the touch, just like jordan, and he wants us to all enjoy and be with him on this one i think. i'm with him.
until next year folks when my head arises again out of dusty books and follows the zone.
-o-

hey now! I would like to say that the shitty overpacked situation of that slummy dive called the promowest pavilion shithole packrat nightmare was the reason me and my wife concived our first child. As a result of the overpacked slum negative vibe inside, my wife and i headed home and had a more meaningful intimate evening at home and now we are expecting child. No hard feelings about booking the show there, we will pay closer attention in the future to not go to general admission shows, hear it was a great show but hey, God's will had us at home. Keep the true vibe alive, keep on truckin'. Phil does good work, as do all his bandmates. The grateful dead have helped me see a higher road and for that i must thank them all. Thank you Phil and thank you to all the dead past and prestent, and to all the people who are keeping the music alive, such as dark star orchestra, and deep space six. You know our love will not fade away. I love you all.

Contrats Mr. & Mrs. Foxtrot! May I suggest the name Raheen if it's a boy?

Anybody tape this show? I'd love to b&p or trade for it. Not getting much response over at the trading board. My list is at: www.tapetrader.com/tedray
Thanks for reading

Columbus 11/12/01 Monday: Length: 81’/122’ Rating: 9.7 (2nd best of tour) After 3 shows in awesome vintage venues that were at best "pretty good" musically, it was time for a prime demonstration of the age-old GD rule that the best music must be played in the worst venue! This brand-new place, supposedly designed for music, was obviously designed to maximize profit margins and to treat fans as immates. I was there in line before the show with TC for the "Heathan" comment, the idiotic order to move the line back, etc., while listening to the new songs being soundchecked. I will say the lot scene was pretty cool – we were basically left alone. The place was cleverly designed with an outdoor amphitheatre behind the stage for summer shows. I got in early, got my prime spot in the second tier of tapers up against the soundboard fence, rendering me completely surrounded by other tapers and thus isolated from the seething beer soaked masses. This is my drill at every GA venue like this, and I am usually the only one who has a good time at these venues (why am I giving away my secret?). On to the music. The first set started with very spirited jamming, very intense energy from the first note, longer than the first 3 shows (8 to 9 minutes) before lilting into a well-done Comes A Time. A bizarre demonstration of inappropriate song selection for the venue, but OK by me in my stylin’ cocoon. The Blue Sky got the rockers rockin as usual. The Just A Little Light was thankfully played by itself, not transitioned into. That way, I can delete it easily from my personal CD. I tried to leave my cocoon to piss during this, but the place was so packed and rowdy it was impossible to go more than 10’ away from the tapers. The unfortunate tapers at the border of the section were attempting a human chain to hold back the beery masses, and from the panicky look on most faces, it was no picnic. Time for the old cup down the pants and let it rip. Mirror of Thalassa was placed well to resume the set, the Fantasy was abruptly transitioned into, contrasting with the lengthly setup jams this summer for this tune. Again, the tween-song jamming was high energy, long, exploratory, and the sound system was perfect. My theory on this is the old theatres have outdated electrical systems with grounding problems, while the new places have clean juice. It was time for the last song of the set after Fantasy, and the jamming redoubled in intensity, leading to an incredible Fire, lengthy, exploratory, high energy, definitely a highlight of the tour so far. Also, the Fire was gratefully disconnected from Scarlet. This set, which started well, dipped in the middle, then closed with a rush, left me in extreme anticipation for an awesome second set. This was going to be "my" show. I left the isolation of my cocoon to hang with some other zoners, and experienced the stark brutality of this suck-ass venue first hand. The idiot security staff hassled Lady TC and Jill about sitting, while letting goobers spill their beers on the sound and light board from the balcony above. They had kicked out tapers from that very spot (who would have protected that area). The one guard said "at Slayer, the show was stopped for an hour when a spilled beer killed the sound. There was almost a riot. Cool!". Back to the cocoon for the second set I went. The set opened with a mellower jam, but the x-factor was there without a doubt. The Wharf Rat kept the laid-back awesomeness going, and the post-Rat jam picked up the pace. Then, BAMMMMMM – Slipknot!?!?!? I was at first pissed at this selection, as a repeat, thinking it would lead to Frankin’s without the Help. I tried to keep my cynic side at bay and this slip outclassed the Chicago version in energy and length by miles. It concluded into 1000 Stars, which was the first tour repeat but was at least not Franklin’s. At the pause, I became petulant and demanding, being 3.5 shows into the tour with no Viola, Dark Star, "good" Other One, etc. PLQ obliged with a gorgeous Dark Star rising from the oblivion of silence. The visuals on the screens combined with absolutely perfect sound completed the sensory overload. The first part of the Star continued the laid back awesomeness theme as they dropped into Mountains of the Moon, which was again well done but did not feature the far-out middle jam common this summer. The jam returned to a Dark Star theme, here I couldn’t recall if Mountains was really over or not. When I become this lost in the music, I know I am really digging it. By this time, the crowd had thinned, puked, passed out, or, once the beer ceased serving, were back to drinking in the lot or at the bar, leaving room for those truly appreciative souls. The second Dark Star verse was teased then gratefully withheld, the jamming intensified with Molo leading the charge into Tomorrow Never Knows YES YES YES, this was THE one HUGELY anticipated by yours truly, especially this placement late in the second set enveloped by Dark Star, Mountains. This was absolutely awesome, peaking power, all 5 quintet members giving it their all, especially Molo, I could hear this song’s circular drum theme 24/7 and never tire. A fully explored version, out into deep space, back to TNK, last verse. At this point, about 90’ into second set, I am thinking this is it, the second Dark Star verse will be in Buffalo or not at all, and still it would be an awesome show. But, WOW, back to Dark Star, second verse thoroughly explored, down to a mellow space, can tell this is really "going places", this HAS to be leading to the last song, BAM! ST STEPHEN, can it get any better? These guys just don’t quit, wow, what a version, fully explored, this HAS to end the show, but the answer to the answer man is MORE jamming, not the 11, just full tilt jamming 105’ into the second set, damn, wow, this is why you gotta see all the shows, for the "on" nights like this! Then, finally, it delves into the bluegrass breakout we heard them soundchecking, later found out to be called "Angel Band". This beautifully showcased PLQ’s vocal harmony abilities, soulful in a Jerry-inspired bluegrass vein without the cornyness, then the Tom Thumb's capping off such a monster of a jam-fest, wow, this is what its all about, a musical tribute to Kesey, Woody, Jerry, Brent, Duane, Lennon, Latvala, etc.. Damn, what a show, what a show, what a show. If only this was played at one of those awesome theatres instead of this shithole venue. TC got the setlist from Cutler to see the name of the new song. I heard Jill’s story afterward of how she almost was kicked out during Whart Rat for telling a cop what to do, or rather where to put his mouth, but that’s her story . .