nothing left to do but, SMILE ! SMILE !! SMILE !!!

Wow saturday was the best of the three!! Holy shit. What a great show!

Judging from the past two shows, you guys are in for it tonight-- big jams comin'!!

All set up for Dark Star > Other One......

Will 'The Q' (lol) deliver?

Stay tuned.......

wahoo!!its not even 10:00 and here I am waiting in line and I'm not even first!!! lol

(((((((((((((PHIL))))))))))))))

the band is on a new level people, a whole new level!!!! I'm pheelin phreaky!!!!!!!!!! 9 hours until door open.....this is it pholks!!!!!! This is the time past believing!!!!

why???
i'm going back bed...
see ya around 8

((((((( LORD HENRY )))))))))
I`m just out the door!!!!!!!!

Whats the rush, there's plenty of time.

I'm headed to the Art Car Fest in downtown SJ, then to the Cal football game in Berkeley, and then to the show.

my early call:

dark star > cryptical > other one > terrapin > roof of warfield blowing off

Yep, all signs point to Dark Star and The Other One. Other safe bets might be Bertha, Sugaree, the elusive Beatles song, Box of Rain, and Eyes. I am back home and dog-tired after the first 2 epic shows, and I'm hatin' that I can't be there. Bombs will be dropped, that you can count on! Tonight is also the last chance for any "new" (as in previously unplayed by "the Q") songs for this run.

did anyone report that 9/25-27 in 1980 were the first shows the Grateful Dead played @ THE WARFIELD????.......ANNNNNND they were that year THURS, FRI, SAT~!

1st set ends with Bobby & Mickey sitting in for Playin' & Aiko.

The Warfield 9/27/03

Set 1:
Jam>
Into The Mystic
King Solomon's Marbles
Midnight Train>Jam>
Passenger>Jam>
Patchwork Quilt
^Playin' In The Band>^Jam>
^Iko Iko
^Sugar Magnolia/SSDD

^ w/Bobby & Mickey

oh oh, here we go......... yahoo!!!!!

one mo' saturday nite!

who sang Iko? Please god no...

2nd set:
Jam>I Know You Rider>No More Do I>Jam>Wharf Rat>Jam>Cryptical>Low Spark vs 2>Jam>Lady w/a fan>Terrapin>jam>Other One>Sugaree

ha ha ha ha .. that's funny.. probably is mickey on vox bro..

ha ha ha - that post is funny stuff.. thanx for the comedy relief man.

Sugaree>Midnight Hour

Encore: NFA

NFA>WBYGN

Set 2:
I Know You Rider>Jam>
No More Do I>Spacy Jam>
Wharf Rat>Jam>
Cryptical Envelopment>Jam(Terrapin tease)>
Low Spark(the missed verse from last night)>Jam>
Lady With a Fan(since the end verse)>
Inspiration Jam>
Terrapin Station>Jam>
The Other One>
Sugaree
Midnight Hour
Donor Rap(by somebody else)
Molo intros the band
Not Fade Away...
And We Bid You Goodnight

Wish I was there,!! Cant wait untill the East Coast, Once again. WoooHooooo

The Warfield 9/27/03

Set 1:
Jam>
Into The Mystic
King Solomon's Marbles
Midnight Train>Jam>
Passenger>Jam>
Patchwork Quilt
^Playin' In The Band>^Jam>
^Iko Iko
^Sugar Magnolia/SSDD

^ w/Bobby & Mickey


Set 2:
I Know You Rider>Jam>
No More Do I>Spacy Jam>
Wharf Rat>Jam>
Cryptical Envelopment>Jam(Terrapin tease)>
Low Spark(the missed verse from last night)>
Lady With a Fan("since the end is never told" verse)>
Inspiration Jam>
Terrapin Station>
The Other One>
Sugaree
Midnight Hour
Alex (from Dead All Access Summer Tour) gives Donor Rap
Molo intros the band
Not Fade Away...
And We Bid You Goodnight

Can't say much else at this point, but (why am I ON this freakin' machine anyway??)...OFF THE F-ING HOOK!!!

PHIL & PHRIENDS - THANK YOU, FOR A REAAAAALLLLLLLLL GOOOOOOOOD TIME!!!!!!!!!!!!!

too much fun.

glad i waited.

Lauren Shera opened the show..............

Back from the show and I'm so wired that I'm not going to be falling asleep for many hours! To my mind, the highlight of the show was Warren's vocals. I've seen him almost 100 times with the Allmans, Mule and P&F, and I've always thought of him as a great guitar player and a fairly good singer. But today, he was an awesome singer who played a mean guitar. Highlights were Into the Mystic, Sugaree, Wharf Rat and Midnight Hour. Enjoy the rest of the shows on the tour. Peace.

Show looks great on paper.

Who's Lauren Shera and how was she?

>?>>>Who's Lauren Shera and how was she?

Some local muscian...I think she's from Monterey. Kind of like a mellow version of Alanis. She repeated lots of songs throughout the wrong...wasn't bad wasn't great. Nice mellow opener while everybody gets there drinks on

I am so wasted from this run of shows...I can't even begin to write about them. Just dropped Jbird and les off at the airport. We had a pretty good time at the shows. Keith and Doogels thanks for a real good time, Mikeyv glad to meet you and you'll be hearing from me shortly.

Hope everyone made it home safely....

lots of teases last night....I heard a definite Dark Star tease, a here comes sunshine tease, a samson tease with bobby and mickey on stage all inthe first set

Mickey sang on Iko.....atleast it wasn't fire on the mt.

Thanks to PLQ, Ratdog and the Dead for bringing light into a dark world, and bah humbug on naysayers (especially hatespewers) of any of the RE-incarnation of this scene. Include DSO even though it's not my cup of java. Life is too short to be negating any positive forces of music, family and friendship. See you all on tour.

It's great all Warfields are up in loop (wooHOO)Time to enjoy the three streaming Q shows, and thanks Taperrob, Philzone, fans and bands for keeping the media out there, and making the shows happen.

Lauren Shera is a songwriter/guitarist type person -- mixed low, impossible to hear, up in the balcony anyway, amidst the pre-Phil chatter and commotion.

Phil, on the other hand...

Into the Mystic was sweet, heartfelt (esp. W's singing), even understated, which is a bit unusual for this band. King Solomon's Turkey was a great contrast: tight and intense, with Jimmy just burning a hole in the carpet of my mind. Midnight train was tight -- then Passenger ROCKED -- as at several points in this run (Mason's on thursday comes to mind), proving this band capable of actual rock and roll, something that much as I loved the Dead show last week was in short supply at Shoreline. Patchwork Quilt, my favorite of the TABA tunes, didn't dissapoint.

Nor did Bob and Mickey, especially the intense jam out of Playin -- Bob turned facing Warren, who took the initial lead in that jam, egging him on a bit, obviously enjoying seeing this band, and this guitarist, take the tune in a different direction. Although in the past it seemed that Warren and Bob haven't always melded on stage, this time was, well, not necessarily an all-out love-fest, but definitely mutually satisfying. Mickey, for his part, added little to Molo's huge sound, and clearly had a major prima donna thing going on with how the band was mixed in his ear-monitor, leaving his post (a small-ish set of drums on risers on the left-hand side of the stage) several times to haggle with the sound guy. So it served him right when, during the obligatory Aiko, Bob did his own must...be...center...of...attention thing and did a series of the "See that girl all dressed in red" verses, no chorus in between, improvising a different color and different stupid rhyme for each, much to Phil's deep amusement. Sweet moment during the actual choruses: Bob and Phil sharing Bob's mic; I'm sure it's happened before, but I don't recall in my long years etc.

Second set was even more amazing. Having jammed with Bob and Mickey, it was as if whatever lingering ghosts from the Dead run were finally exorcised: the quintet is the shit. Rider got the place rocking, then a sweet, slow Wharf Rat; the jam between the last two verses (between "Pearly's been true" and "Got up and wandered") went on forever and got so far out there, that toward the end of it, before it even recognizably got back to the main theme of the song, Warren and Phil walked toward each other, said something, and just started cracking up... Everything that followed was out of this world, including an amazing solo by Warren following "forgotten" (from Friday) verse of Low Spark and brain-pulverizing Other One.

Good good shit. So happy this band is back...

Enjoyed the sound up in the balcony, with more room to dance than the floor....met some cool folks, including Craig & JT...

The show?

Tight, powerful, polyrythmic, soulful, slashing......they are back.
God bless the quintet.

mellow mystic opener
Solomons marbles!! soooo tight!!!!!!!!!
powerful passenger....shakin the place
patchwork quilt....won a lot of new fans I think.

then.....Bobby & Mickey show
Playin...so right....
Aiko....shakin the warfield
sugar mag....thanks Bobby & Mickey
the sound was like ratdog on steroids there for a while....

2ns set: tight and powerful & funky the whole way....shake those bones!

Saw Phil leavin the show by the back door, everybody around me says in a low respectful voice: "thank you, Phil".

The boys seemed to be really really enjoyin playin with each other last night...was wonderful to see.

Five stars & two thumbs up.

Bonus aiko verses as well

From the east coast it looks and sounds like an amazing 3 day run. Thanks TaperRob & the Zone for giving everybody a chance to hear the "Q" without a ticket. Too bad for me I'm only going to see 1 Beacon show. WOW!!!!!

And how great is it to wake up in NY and hear last night's show in Cali?

Damn, I wish I was there. On the other hand the Cal/USC football game was a magical moment too.

Go Bears!! (34/31 in triple overtime)

>>Damn, I wish I was there. On the other hand the Cal/USC football game was a magical moment too.
Go Bears!! (34/31 in triple overtime)

Was wondering abouth you, Tom.
I got out of town late, but it ended up being perfect timing. Cal kicked that FG right as I pulled into the parking garage. Hell of a game to listen too. Im sure it was pandemonium in Strawberry Canyon.

It seemed to me like they were supposed to go into lady with a fan but the band started playing low spark so warren sang it. Then they went into the last verse of lady and on into terrapin. very interesting and awesome.

It was all good in the hood...except I broke my most favorite hammer that I've had for 6 years.

Good take on the whole Mickey/Bob situation, EssEphReek.

I got the exact same impression of Mickey's whole little act, which seemed rather weak - let's face it Mick, you're SITTING IN with Phil's band - just deal with it!!! Was a bit distracting, but at least the Playin' was interesting and Sugar Mag wasn't bad (though I admit I was hoping for something like Music Never Stopped).

It did seem like the band hit a moment of pure improvisation (confusion?) right into the whole Low Spark/Terrapin thing (Phil looked like he was calling an audible that perhaps never jelled), but managed to find some serious grooves after the end of Terrapin Station. Once they finally kicked into The Other One, you knew it was gonna get sick. The Sugaree, which started kind of mellow and a bit sedate after Other One (I was kind of hoping for the return to Cryptical, but...) turned into a real monster at the end, with Warren wailing some serious slide. It actually became one of the high points of this show for me. The Midnight Hour was just pure sickness - serious ROCK 'N ROLL!!! When Warren had to replace guitars due to a broken string, Jimmy just took over and shredded! Some serious guitar pyrotechnics ensuing. And We Bid You Goodnight was the tasty icing on the cake.

Thanks Phil & Friends for an incredible weekend!!!

Scalia, it WAS pure pandamonium in Strawberry Canyon. The whole day was nuts, I was only planning on staying until halftime, then go to the Q, but when I got there, found a place to park and hiked up the hill I heard a band playing at one of the fraternities who sounded pretty good so I stopped by to check it out and get a free beer. Everyone thought I was somebody's father and I ended up having about six beers, with some of the hottest young girls, mostly from USC, cause after all USC is all about Hollywood, so the girls have to look hot, actually I think it is an entrance requirement. Anyway, I finally made it to Tightwad Hill, and the place was packed, the view was magnificient, truely one of the best in the world, and some kind young studs hauled three kegs up to the hill, which is no minor feat, so for three bucks it was all the beer you could drink.

The game itself was monumental. Cal went up 21-7 and had several opportunities to widen the lead before halftime, but I just knew they were going to blow it, like they do everytime. USC tied the score in the third quarter in the span of about two minutes and I thought here we go again, but Cal hung tough and it went into overtime. I fully expected to loose, especially when Cal missed a field goal that would have won it in the first OT. So when Cal finally did kick the winning field goal it seemed the whole stadium swarmed onto the field, down came the goalposts, and the party began.

One cool thing about Tightwad Hill is after the game you have to walk past all the fraternities. I figured out that I can walk into any fraternity and drink and eat to my hearts content. The kids can't figure out an old guy that knows how to hang.

I finally left Berkeley around 9 and was going to go to a death metal show in SJ, cause I've had too much of that hippie stuff recently. As I was driving down I-880 traffic came to a complete stop, apparently there was a major accident, about twenty fire trucks, cop cars and ambulances went past, then two life flight helicopters showed up, eventually I turned around, going the wrong way on the freeway, but so was everyone else, and worked my way over to I-680 and finally to SJ around 11:30, just in time to see "Something Must Die" and "Vile". After the bars closed at 2am, a bunch of us went to a party til 5am.

Oh well, it wasn't the "Q", but it was still a day I will remember for a long time.

I thought the music was best when Mickey and Bob were on stage. The warfield shows showed me that I really prefer the Dead over the Q. While the technical muscianship is greater in the Q, I find that in some ways it actually detracts from the music. The problem I have always had with jazz is that it is hard to listen to it and imagine any thing besides people playing instruments. What I loved about the songs with Mickey and Bob was that the personalities of warren and John did not dominate the sound. While I like John as a musician, I find that he often uses polyrhythms gratuitously. Warren has a certain tone that keeps reminding me of the person named Warren who is playing. With Mickey and Bob playing everybody was actually creating a three dimensional magic experience. I believe that mickey was concerned about the levels of his instrument because he understands that the mix needs to be just so in order for the music to really take off. I thought the most magical part of the night was the jam coming out of sugar mags. I do not usually enjoy this song, but last might they really gave it a three dimensional (or four dimensional) texture. Don't get me wrong, I enjoy Phil'n'Friends, but it is a more cerebral experience than what my soul really craves... on that level the Dead delivered at the Shoreline. I suppose that where you are in life colors how you see this music. I intentionally left behing a career in mathematics to follow a more heart oriented path. The Q is about mathmatics with a brotherly vibe behind it. The brotherly vibe does not change the fact that it is still math at it's core. Feel free to write obscenely scathing comments now.

Saturday 9/27 Warfield Theatre. This was the show of all shows. By FAR the best jamming I have ever heard PLQ pull off. GET THIS TAPE!
It was one of those nights where the air was filled with magic, I FEEL SO LUCKY to have been there for this show. Nice to hang with (Poncho, Mikey, GDad, Huck, Kelly, LessThan & Wife, Doogles, Tom,) and many more. Nice to meet Jonas, Rastafari, Dewit, Bradfest, St. Knick, and every one else. I know I forgot some people but there were just so many.
Peace
Cody

Dunno if anyone else caught this but during the jam outta Low Spark right before Terrapin there is a very pronounced long tease of A Love Supreme (coltrane) by the whole group ... check it out

>>Who's Lauren Shera and how was she?


a friend of the "family", from Monterey i believe. Phil likes the way she plays and sings and invited her to do some tunes every night. she had a CD that was selling for $6.00 at the merchandise booth, home made, on a TDK 80min CDR, with her own handwritten CD insert/cover. havent listened to it yet, but some songs did sound good. she does covers of Dylan, Prine and others, as well as her own songs.

Hey Jonas, if you are on here, did you make it to Magnolia? I went for a lengthy session on Friday, and came SO close to just asking everyone in the joint if they were Jonas. But I didn't. I was so stoked, cuz they had BOTH IPAs on tap... and one was also cask conditioned!

Ive been listening to these shows all weekend via the replay on Live365

Whoever is responsible for putting these up deserves so much praise.

Unfortunately I had to sell of my tickets for Denver because of a wedding here in Atlanta but because of the shows this weekend, Philly is my most anticipated show in some time.

Its strange as I try not to get involved in the Dead vs PLQ debate as I like both bands for different reasons......its hard for me to pick one over the other but so see both Warren and Herring on the same stage leads me to believe that the nod has to go with the Quintet.

In my opinion, this is the best live rock n roll band since pre-retirement Dead.

> In my opinion, this is the best live rock n roll band since pre-retirement Dead.

ROCK on brother!

Let it SHINE SHINE SHINE...Let it SHINE!!!

Unreal. And, whoever is putting this up on live365 for our instant gratification recaps is an absolute saint! My personal experience included at least 3 very serious "gooosebump" moments, with energy just pouring out of these cats. The Dead, while very tight and commendably entertaining, failed to provide me moments like these last week. Whoever mistook the Low Spark -> Lady jam for a Love Supreme tease should check it out again. Phil is taking the notes from the Low Spark chorus and modulating the rhythms in a totally twisted way, but keeping the changes the same. Not Coltrane, but certainly a Coltrane-approved way to approach rock and roll. King Solomon's and the Other One were both tour-de-forces of rock bass playing. Warren and Jimmy are like peanut butter and chocolate - on their own they are good, but together they are sublime.

TaperRob is THE MAN when it comes to the 365 stream of the shows - he's a MANIAC!!! THANKS ROB!

>The problem I have always had with jazz is that it is hard to listen to it and imagine any thing besides people playing instruments.<

That is as brilliant and honest critque of modern jazz (post 40's) that I have ever read.
Most musicians play but few communicate.

Hi again.....

Third and final show was a "good show"....good energy and some well played tunes. Mickey and Bobby added a little spark and were very well received by the crowd. Am sure the band will only get hotter as tour rolls on! GOD BLESS THE Q!!!

ADIOS AMIGOS

Glad to see that Bob and Mickey showed up at the show!Must've sounded really good, but THANK GOD Joan Osborne didn't show up, that would've really sucked! As a matter a fact, the "Dead" should have used this ensemble when they got back together. It CERTAINLY would've sounded alot better than the "Dead" does now!

Is Jimmy using the Fender Starburst or still using the PRS from this summer? It's hard to tell from the picture above, but it looks like the starburst...

>I thought the music was best when Mickey and Bob were on stage.

funny. i couldn't wait for mickey to get off of the stage. aiko with him singing? like an uncle who gets drunk every christmas and fires up the karaoke machine he always brings with him. truly painful to hear and watch. thannkfully it didn't last long.

the rest of the night was tight, powerful, incredible, soulful, moving, magical....you know...all those things that keep us coming back.

Flame on all you want after this review, because it isn't good...sorry.

Lauren Shera was very good at what she does. A great Joan Baez offspring, 16 years old, and the most inappropriate opener to the three shows I can imagine. I will argue that the sound on the balcony was excellent all three evenings for her.

I DID not fly out to SF to see Mickey Hart or Bob Weir after one year of no Phil.

Mickey Hart sucks, period. You want proof...listen to Molo on King Solomon's then listen to that ridiculously obnoxious off key four beat bass drum shit that Mickey pumped out before being shut off on the last verse of Aiko. It was awful...freakin' awful. Bobby played very well, but I didn't want to hear 3 songs sung by Bobby, I had a summer of them. Sorry, but these two guests blew a significant portion of the third show for me...as someone in my close proximity announced...what a buzzkill. Understatement of the year.

There were wonderful moments to this show, and I got some good napping in also...NO joke...Wharf Rat served as both bathroom song, and full on shut eye...

I hate saying this, but if I am going to wax prolific on Friday's show, well, I have to be honest about this show....

and on Wednesday, Phil said no guests for the run. At the time, I assume it was the truth.

I love P&F more than any other band ever, but this stunk....

no flame here. thought the mickey and bob experience totally took the wind out of the sails of what was a killer set up until that point.

yo Dewit,

Sorry you were so bummed.....I was not to elated to see those boys (Bobby and Micky)come on stage but took it all in stride.........in fact it was pretty cool 4 me as I did not see any recent dead shows.....the Playing in the band was good...the Aiko was good...and the sugar mag even though a bit disjointed at times was OK....

Adios amigo,

I agree on Mikey shouldnt be aloud to sing, But Mickey Sucks? Come On now. I thought the playing In the Band was real good, remenicent of a GD version. Dewit would you rather hear Warren/Rob/Phil sing Playin and Sugar Mag? I sure as hell would not. Wharf Rat was a snoozer? For you maybe.
and Jimmy and Warren shouldnt be in the Dead IMO. PLQ is where its at and the Dead should never play again.
By the Way Bobby only sang two songs. Dewit that really sucks that you thought Sat show sucked, IMO that show was the best show PLQ has ever I mean EVER PULLED OFF.
People do not listen to what Dewit says, she could not be more wrong IMO.
peace out

>Is Jimmy using the Fender Starburst or still using the PRS from this summer? It's hard to tell from the picture above, but it looks like the starburst

He's using the PRS(s). Friday night was his dark blue (black?) PRS and Saturday was his sunburst looking F-hole PRS...

Someone should tell Mickey that congas areplayed with your hands and not with mallets. I heard in the bathroom during Playing that an anchor was thrown. I responded that it was two anchors.

dewit how can usay mickey sux? he should never be allowed to sing EVER but he's a great drummer. but i'm beginning to think i like molo's style more.
>>Wharf Rat served as both bathroom song, and full on shut eye... WHAT?????????? are you sniffing glue? i've been waiting for a good wharf rat for so long, and to have warren singing it so hard his soul sounds like it's gonna burst... pure heaven, IMO. and big deal if bobby and mickey were there-- that only lasted like half an hour.
i thought the first and third shows were indescribably awe inspiring. the warfield had a great, interesting vibe and we had a blast. look out san fran, we're moving in!!
last but not least i just wanna say how nice it was to meet some of you zoner phreaks. mikey, greg, huck lewis, barry, tom huckley, zippy, lessthan, wolfman, etc. many more kind folks as well. thanks you guys, and thanks to the quintet for a VERY SPECIAL 3 NIGHTS!!!! we won't forget you!!!
p.s. mikey send us thursday and saturday PLEASE!!! we love ya!

>>>Someone should tell Mickey that congas areplayed with your hands and not with mallets.

I was think'n the same thing. But we can forgive him, hes that fucked up uncle everyone has...

Please go here and post your thanks and support to PZ Admin and Taperrob for a job well done and some fun fun fun!

sounded great to me.

i think that they would have been better if Bobby/Mickey did songs other than old Dead (Weir) standards...

would have liked to hear how Self Defense would have sounded with Molo's kickass influence and Warren doing his thing.....

a Jack Straw would have been a much better set closer than the Sugar Mags, the way they played it Sat. night, twas a bit tooooo slow for me and they werent all together on it.

the Playin' in the Band was ok. Truckin' in this spot would have been ok too. Not Fade Away in this spot, now that would have been something...

btw Phil & Friends used to do Playin'in the Band, with Rob singing, and it was very good....

I thought saturday was the best show. I don't like Mickey singing, but after 3 days of the best music around, I didn't mind a bit. At least it was Iko, Mickeys best attempt at singing IMO. I enjoyed it more when Bobby cut him off though. I was also thinking the same thing about the congas. He should slap that shit, not hit it with mallets.

About the Low Spark->Terrapin jam, I hear what's been said about the modulation of the Low Spark chorus, but what about when they slip into the little descending line that was used to link China->Rider in 73-74? Sweet little tease.

And while we're on topic, anyone have any guesses on the jam after Midnight Train? Phil took a solo way up the neck and then led the band into a melodic little theme that lasted for maybe a minute. Hasn't come around on the loop yet, so this is only going on my memory from the show.

was it the Millenium Jam? I saw that posted somewhere...

Jack straw to close as opposed to Sugar Mag......Sounds good to me.......perhaps take out that Aiko and slip in that Jack????Perhaps close it with a Sugar Mag> Jack>Sunshine Daydream!!!...Or some mix there of.

Sugar magnolia is an awesome set closer, a lot better that Jack Straw would be IMO.

>>>>>I was also thinking the same thing about the congas. He should slap that shit, not hit it with mallets.

Totally. He was way too loud and stompin' on Molo's groove at first. And Iko, at least, fits his barking style of "singing" better than FOTM. Not enjoyable, but pretty tolerable. The Bobby vs. Mickey on the Iko vocals at the end was hilarious. Bahahaha......see that girl all dressed in Green, Pink, Red?? Whatever... Thought saturday was a better overall show, but thought Friday second set rocked some srious shit.

your comment has merrit but unfortunately the Sugar Mag was a bit lacking.......and a Jack first set closer has always been KILLER!!!

>>was it the Millenium Jam? I saw that posted somewhere...

that was friday night before the eleven...

did you guys catch Bobby and Phil sharing Bobby's mic for the Iko chorus'

Back home, sit down and patch my bones...

I agree with Scalia's comment the other day; 'sell the house, the car, the boat, the kids, the dog. Get out to hear this band. They're really special.

Sat's V3 Low Spark made me wonder if these guys ever read these reviews. Did they play 3 verses or only 2? (Did he fire 6 shots or only 5? Well, in all the confusion, I kinda lost track myself. But seein as this is Low Spark, the most powerful Winwood song ever, powerful enough to blow your head clean off, you gotta ask yourself a question. Do I feel lucky?)

Last week on another thread someone made the observation that if you think Coltrane's Ascension is atonal noise, you probably won't like this music. If you think it's a masterpiece of modern jazz, you probably will. Joshua's comments earlier here certainly echo that sentiment. I found that it worked backwards, for me. I have developed a much deeper appreciation for Coltrane from listening to this music.

As a Northeasterner making his first pilgrimage to Mecca, the Warfield is highly idealized in my heart and mind, unrealistically so. So when it not only met expectations, but exeeded all of them, it was quite an accomplishment. I love the Beacon, and can't wait till Nov., but this place is truly sacred space.

I looked at this as 1 piece of music played over 3 nights, sort of Lesh's cycle of the Ring (Wagner can roll over in his grave...and kiss my ass if he doesn't like the comparison). But, if you look at it that way, over the course of almost 10 hours of total, actual music over 3 nights, there are going to be high and low moments for everyone.

It's interesting to read how one person's religious experience is another person's bathroom break.

Tom, the guy sitting next to me on the plane home had a USC shirt on, and a sad look on his face. I thought of you and smiled. ;-}

Thank you, Phil, for a REALLL GOOOODDD TIME!!!

>>(Did he fire 6 shots or only 5? Well, in all the confusion, I kinda lost track myself. But seein as this is Low Spark, the most powerful Winwood song ever, powerful enough to blow your head clean off, you gotta ask yourself a question. Do I feel lucky?)


THAT MIGHT BE THE BEST THING I'VE EVER READ ON THESE REVIEW PAGES....GREAT, GREAT STUFF

>>>>>>>>>(Did he fire 6 shots or only 5? Well, in all the confusion, I kinda lost track myself. But seein as this is Low Spark, the most powerful Winwood song ever, powerful enough to blow your head clean off, you gotta ask yourself a question. Do I feel lucky?)


>>>>>>>>>THAT MIGHT BE THE BEST THING I'VE EVER READ ON THESE REVIEW PAGES....GREAT, GREAT STUFF

I agree. Nice writing there!

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quote:

I looked at this as 1 piece of music played over 3 nights, sort of Lesh's cycle of the Ring (Wagner can roll over in his grave...and kiss my ass if he doesn't like the comparison). But, if you look at ti that way, over the course of almost 5 hours of total, actual music over 3 nights, there are going to be high and low moments for everyone.

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loved it!
thanks rik.

got the theme to the good, bad and ugly singing in my head now.

>>>did you catch Bobby and Phill sharing Bobby's mic...

Yes..but there was no exchange of bodily fluids, as far as I could see.

What did Bobby sing to rhyme with orange?

>did you guys catch Bobby and Phil sharing Bobby's mic for the Iko chorus'

I thought that was great but do agree that bob and mickey seemed to sap some of the energy out of the band - too many instruments and egos...

> first pilgrimage to Mecca, the Warfield is highly idealized in my heart and mind, unrealistically so. So when it not only met expectations, but exeeded all of them, it was quite an accomplishment. I love the Beacon, and can't wait till Nov., but this place is truly sacred space.

word!

when we saw the extra percussion and then saw Bobby back stage one certain zoner proclaimed:
"we're doomed."

I'm glad they just did it first set and I once I got down with the "it is what it is-ness" of the situation enjoyed it immensely. We were three deep dead center for all 3 and whether this happened or just part of my trip I had a Bobby moment where he was looking at us during SSDD and was getting ready to launch a "HA" and he saw the knowing grins on our faces and he kinda backed off of it.

Sorry, Bob...

Why does Warren NOT play his guitar during Sugar Magnolia? Slacker.

First off, Jasmin, I don't do glue or anything else...please note that, as I take huge offense to comments like that.

If you didn't catch td this summer, sorry...this wasn't close...Bobby was closer in personal performance to Christmas Jam and the Bob Weir and Friends show in Asheville...

BTW, if Mickey doesn't suck, how come people who are not 40 year Veteran Professional Drummers can figure out how badly he was playing?

Listen to the King Solomon's then the Aiko...SOUND does not lie!

For the Mickey and Bobby lovers...we were NOT all in San Francisco to see THEM....

PLQ means ONE thing to me....

PURE LESH QUINTET....

After the almost 80 P&F shows I have been spoiled, crazy, whatever enough to see, I stand by what I said...Mickey sucks, Bobby didn't need to be there.

One man's church is another man's featherbed....Gunner, lots of people listen to me, which is there perogative....I was not alone in my opinion...wind out of sails, so boring I cannot remember the show...(my personal favorite), etc. and a pile of other much worse comments. At the end of the first set, I said that sucked shit out loud. Most of the people around me started a conversation saying much the same thing...that set was an all time high for me....and they ruined it.

One look at the entire setlist an you gotta figure a consistency issue.

Lastly, why is it that Bob and Mickey can be guests, but they cannot play P&F songs? That answer is way too easy.

After one year, ? days, 2 hours, why did we need ANY guests? Exactly. We did not.

(((((UNITY)))))

Dewit, It is not what you say but how you say it that offends people, from as near as I can tell.
Much like Gunner.

Hate it or Love it, makes no difference to me. But you know it is going to stir up shit when you throw it out there the way you do.

If that is you intent....by all means troll away.

EDIT: >>>{{{{{unity}}}}}

I know Tim! not 48 hours out from such a great great emotional feeling and here we are back to "you suck, he sucks, they suck"

How about a little tact when you are critical people.......

> (((UNITY)))

yup..

that or insidious marketing...

"If that is you intent"

-yeah, i gotta wonder about that too. IS IT?

having heard all the Bobby bashing I can only say the Playn in the band was V. good......

Dewit, IMO you are SO FULL OF SHIT. IMO your post point this out very well. IMO everyone who knows whats up knows that you havent a clue.

Right on Dewit! I flew cross country for PLQ and having Bobby and Mickey horn in was not what I wanted - I wanted the first set to end as it began - with the Quintet.

>First off, Jasmin, I don't do glue or anything else...please note that, as I take huge offense to comments like that.

haven't you ever heard of sarcasm or idiomatic phrases?

btw, we DID see the dead this summer, and PLQ blew them away!! they SMOKED the dead. and whether or not bobby and mickey didn't need to be there isn't the point... we were there to see the quintet ONLY as well but hey, they came out for a few songs, no biggie. we love the quintet, and IMO it is so pointless to sit around and try to ruin everyone's good feelings about the last night of the run. who cares what or how they played when bobby and mickey came out? it was NOT THAT BAD!!! i've seen a shitload of PLQ shows too and the awesomeness of them standing alone as a band and playing a really hot set overcomes one small chunk of music during the first set of yet another radical phil show. why don't you just get over these little hang-ups and stop sweatin' the small stuff so hard??? just a little piece of advice from a fellow phil phreak.

now shows are done let the good ol' bickering commence!

oh for crying out loud. dewit said she didn't like the guest appearance by bobby and mickey and she thought wharf rat was boring. so what? this is her opinion and not yours. get over it.

i absolutely agree with her on the mini set with bobby and mickey. after a beautiful 'into the mystic', a monster 'king solomen's', the always powerful 'passenger', and a sweet, sweet 'patchwork quilt'. the switch to bobby's world was a let down for me too. the set was riding very high and then... squash.

>>>>the switch to bobby's world

Hehehe....nice one.

let me ask this....

would people be complaining if their PURE phil lesh and friends set were interrupted by say... Branford Marsalis

(((((((((((((((((THE OTHER ONE))))))))))))))))))

AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Dont ever forget it!!!

Ill take Playin sung by Bobby any day over Patchwork, Real thing, or any other there and back tunes.

and roo she said alot more than that.

>>>>.I was not alone in my opinion...wind out of sails, so boring I cannot remember the show...(my personal favorite), etc. and a pile of other much worse comments. At the end of the first set, I said that sucked shit out loud. Most of the people around me started a conversation saying much the same thing...that set was an all time high for me....and they ruined it.


She makes it sound like that was what everyone thought. Every single person I spoke with about Sat show said it was by far the best of the 3.

Loved all three shows!!! The legendary Warfield did not disappoint one bit! First show -- danced on floor downstairs all night -- was just in awe of the whole scene. Second show - thankful to have a cushy balcony seat - second set Friday was my favorite set of the run. Third show - First Row Balcony!!! -- chills, happiness, and overall sense of giddiness that this wonderful trip worked out so well. Definately didn't want to see Weir or Mickey - but if phriends are in town then phriends can certainly stop in for a few first set tunes I guess. Maybe a payback for Warren and Derek showing up at TOO in MSG in November?? -- I'll make that deal every day of the week!! Wonderful experience - Zoners rock!! Thanks to PLQ for a great time. And special thanks to Philzone administration and Taperrob for making the replays happen so quickly -- what a treat!!

This show was tricky from my vantage point..full of wonderfully high peaks and cliffs where lessons could be learned.

Passenger was one of the PLQ Thunder tunes that I had been waiting for.

Patchwork was really well done but very hard for me..two very heavy shows had me spinning inside..safe to say that I wasn't the only one missing Jerry in a big way during this tune...

Came all the way out from NY and wound up sitting in front of a bunch of dudes from Long Island this night..anyway we saw the extra set up and had been joking around about Mickey popping in for a Fire rap. Even though the writing was on the wall a streak of terror went down my back as Mickey walked out looking like a cartoon character(maybe it twas the chocolates). They kept the guests to the first set and it was all good. Playin was kick ass, soon after..

PHIL SHOWED MICKEY WHO'S BOSS!!!!!!

Before the second verse in Iko Phil and Booby lined up right next to each other and got down proper..Phil was turned wayyy up and brought the phunky wicked gummed out bass like only he can do..he did his thing and gracefully turned to Mickey and let him do his "thing"

Sugar Mags brought more missing Jerry than stomp down for me. I know some folks get upset about others doing Jerry tunes or maybe not doing Jerry tunes justice. For me it's Jerry's jam in Sugar Mags that I hold closest to my heart..just makes it hard sometimes.


After a fun Rider the NMDI was powerful with it's wicked bass line and mood changing ways.

Cryptical..ahhh Cryptical was right on.

I would like to say that I was smooth enough to realize that we were getting the missing verse from Low Spark but I was just plain confused at this point.

Q Style Terrapin is where it's at..

The Other one was savage and fierce..so savage that it left me spent..

the forlorn rags of the end of the run had taken their toll and I was done..they ended nicely..ventured outside..things got weird

>She makes it sound like that was what everyone thought. Every single person I spoke with about Sat show said it was by far the best of the 3.

yea, well. i guess i know what i thought so her opinion doesn't bother me in the slightest or change my own at all.

>>>yea, well. i guess i know what i thought so her opinion doesn't bother me in the slightest or change my own at all.

her opinion dont bother me either or change mine. I should have expected this BS from Dewit. The way she writes it makes her sound like she knows everything. I dont think musically we have ever agreed on anything.

>>When are those Denver dates again?

LT, are you going to Denver?? me thinks i may have to make the trip out there also.

as for Bobby/Mickey sitting in, i will just go by what i said before. wasnt a totally bad thing, but with the songs they played, it didnt add much to the set for me, and i heard it all before, during the summer. different songs, as i mentioned earlier would have made it a bit better for me. got to say, everyone on the floor was up and dancing for the Iko. but again, i think the Sugar Mags was just too slow and not all that clean.


as for someone like Branford sitting in, now thats a different animal. thats more of a background filler for the music PLQ plays, giving the songs a different feel.

speaking of which, i have to say that Phil and the boys took something out of those Branford shows they went to see on Wednesday night at Yoshi's. i certainly heard some things Molo was doing that came very close to things Branford's drummer did. and it was mentioned somewhere that Phil was playing up on the neck of the bass, something Branford's bass played did also, alot.

I thought that Bobby and Mickey brought the energy level of the set way down. I really could have done without it, but that's the way it went and there is nothing I can do about it. It's Phil's band and I will not tell him who to have play with him anymore than I will let Phil tell me who should play with my band.

>>Before the second verse in Iko Phil and Booby lined up

I'm finding typing very hard today..meant Bobby not Booby.

*don't feel like getting attacked by the good vibe police fresh of a magical run*



Also in my own very lame and futile gesture I've been growing my hair pretty much ever since PLQ went on break. The stages have been wild, I even made it through a Zoner saying that I looked like Greg Brady on acid..

Justice came when someone suggested that I had "Jerry hair" this past weekend.

After getting primal and basically "finding it" once again..time for a trim and a bit of balance.

>>>>LT, are you going to Denver??

this is how that whole conversation went down...

LT: "honey Mule and PLF in Denver?"
GT: "No"
LT: "Yes?"
GT: "Ok" [with a big shit eating grin]

that quick.

Been sitting on flights for weeks now. Gonna finally go out there and spend some time.

As for Branford being different and what happened was a little more run of the mill...I can see that. I just find all this PURE PLQ-I FLEW HALFWAY ROUND THE WORLD AND HAD TO ENDURE THREE WHOLE SONGS- OH MY GOD IT IS SUCH A DRAMA-Attitude just a bit wretched in my opinion.

Pure PLQ ....whatever.

I will take what they put on stage anytime anywhere and say thank you very much. If I don't like something about it....let's just say I try to focus on the highlights. Why waste time pointing out the negatives in a situation?

Can anyone tell me the two bar figure they played out of Cryptical before the FOTD>Terrapin tease?
hauntingly familiar.... I know I know it.

When Bobby's mic was being set up before the first set, I commented, "No matter what happens when Weir shows up, this will ruin it for the purists."

no shit

What the purists dont wanna hear Bobby sing Playin, SugarMag? I just dont get that. It was still the Q just with Bobby singing. Hes a better singer than all of the Q in my book.

TaperRob would rather hear Self defense than Iko? Are you ok?

I agree with Rob. GT and I both would love to hear the Q doing that tune.

See there is a difference between The Grateful Dead and The Dead and Ratdog and Phil Lesh And Friends and all the combinations in-between.

Vive la Difference.

PLQ is all about the Agony and Ecstasy. The Power and Performance. PLQ is a masterful mix where engineering and art meet just exactly right.

Ratdog doesn't take itself quite so seriously. They are just as good musician’s just different outlook.

The Grateful Dead revolved around the Party. The Dead are more Performance minded because of the success that PLF had. In my humble opinion, I quite frankly think that there is a sense of consistency in The Dead that MH, BW, and PL can dig.

I have met Dog's that refuse to go to PLF. I know People here that wouldn't cross the street to get a bone.

Hey whatever gets you to sleep at night. But what I am trying to understand, really I am, is why people feel it necessary to be pointedly harsh about their personal interpretations of their singular experience. It is pretty obvious the TROB didn't think it was the second coming but he was perfectly capable of stating his opinion in a fluid and detailed manner without raising the ire of the board.

Like I said it is not someone's opinion that people take offense to. It is the vulgarity of the delivery.

Gunner is learning that he can say whatever he wants, and if he just phrases it with a little tact that the whole world isn't against him. Tom Heckly learned that too.

Hate Bobby and Micky sitting in all you want, people. Just don't shove your opinions down my throat and delude yourself that your opinion is the only one that matters.

Others will say I make efforts to homogenize the conversation. If you think so....so be it. You must not be listening.

>>>it is so pointless to sit around and try to ruin everyone's good feelings about the last night of the run.


Well, you see, everyone I talked to purely hated it.

As for Branford, I will quote Phil, from very recently; "Branford is a whole nother animal".

In other words, Branford adds to the mix...Gunner, since I don't care for your attitude in general, here is my feedback to you....who cares what you think, who cares what I think.

Yes, three songs affected me in the most negative manner. It was like having the oxygen sucked out of the air, and feeling like you had to pass out. Bobby alone, playing like that, with different tunes, fine. Those three, and Mickey outright FUCKING up the Aiko, that is pretty straight up musical criticism.

Jasmin...having met me for all of 10 seconds at a bar...many of us that do not do drugs or anything else take offense to the glue statements....the not going to td shows this summer was not meant for you...reread the other post it was addressed to, and LT, you and I won't agree...

>>>Dewit, It is not what you say but how you say it that offends people, from as near as I can tell.
Much like Gunner

LT, I don't care for your delivery either, but, again, who cares. I shoot straight with no bullshit, and if I hurt someone's feelings there is a legit mailbox in my profile....people can use it; that is what it is there for. You don't care for that approach, or certain food touching other food...SO WHAT. Some people like Anchor Steam and others like Bud on tap...so what again...does it really matter? I sure as hell hope not. It isn't a family....Ratdog doesn't equal P&F and td wasn't the second coming. I think the P&F shows proved that in a nutshell.

As for the Self-Defense comment....I have to agree. Molo would have blown Mickey out of the water on his own tune, the first time John had ever played it.

Richie Nagan said it best....

>>> I flew cross country for PLQ and having Bobby and Mickey horn in was not what I wanted - I wanted the first set to end as it began - with the Quintet.

That first set had four of my all time favorite tunes...King Solomon's the rare jewel that it is...

For me at least it goes back to 12/4/01

Great run ending with the special 9/11 benefit show w/Bobby. Although I'm not big on Rat Dog and I do like to poke fun at him sometimes..I like Bobby as much as the next guy. After looking forward to the 9/11 show above all else I found the dynamics of PLQ w/ Weir to be off that night. The next time I saw him play with them was a much better experience.


Guests are cool..especially DT. I do feel as if the sickest moments happen when the Quintet is roaring and raging with the original line up.


Although I did have some fun with the anti Mickey jive before the show, I thought seeing the boys out there for a bit was a nice treat..so long as they kept it to the first set

>>>The Grateful Dead revolved around the Party. The Dead are more Performance minded because of the success that PLF had. In my humble opinion, I quite frankly think that there is a sense of consistency in The Dead that MH, BW, and PL can dig.

LessThan Brother sorry but I dont agree with that statement. i think the Grateful Dead were everything all rolled into one Fatty. LessThan thanks for the hook up my friend!

Skins' hair reminded me of a dosed vintage Vinny Barbarino.

>>> The Dead are more Performance minded because of the success that PLF had. In my humble opinion, I quite frankly think that there is a sense of consistency in The Dead that MH, BW, and PL can dig.

Really, now!

My humble opinion was that of the twelve I saw, not one was consistent with another. I saw some good, some bad and some downright ugly this summer, of course, compare it last fall, and we are back to apples and oranges.

None of that statement gels with any of the quotes I have read, the reviews, interviews or conversations I have had, been privy to or heard about either.



My alter ego wants to know if your definition of consistent is boring.

LMFAO!
holy shit midy bro. thats funny.

guy works on wallstreet, whats a brother gonna do, right?

Dewit I hope you don't think my feelings were hurt.

Matters not a whit to me. I know that everyone sees the shows through their own eyes. No two alike.

Was just trying to figure out why people, not just you but lots of others on this board so it is in no way personal,....post in such a manner as to take all the relevence out of the discussion and create a nice little pathway, lined with flowers and little pickets, right up to "you suck, no you suck Lane".

Say whatever you want however you want to. I am just trying to understand the motivation behind it.

You are right when you say Richie Nagan said it best...
His two comments were:

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quote:

Right on Dewit! I flew cross country for PLQ and having Bobby and Mickey horn in was not what I wanted - I wanted the first set to end as it began - with the Quintet.
and
I thought that Bobby and Mickey brought the energy level of the set way down. I really could have done without it, but that's the way it went and there is nothing I can do about it. It's Phil's band and I will not tell him who to have play with him anymore than I will let Phil tell me who should play with my band.

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quote:

I DID not fly out to SF to see Mickey Hart or Bob Weir after one year of no Phil.
and
Mickey Hart sucks, period. You want proof...listen to Molo on King Solomon's then listen to that ridiculously obnoxious off key four beat bass drum shit that Mickey pumped out before being shut off on the last verse of Aiko. It was awful...freakin' awful. Bobby played very well, but I didn't want to hear 3 songs sung by Bobby, I had a summer of them. Sorry, but these two guests blew a significant portion of the third show for me...as someone in my close proximity announced...what a buzzkill. Understatement of the year.

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Reading this message board one might get the impression that at the show there were very few people who enjoyed Bob and Mickey's apearance. I can say from being there that the crowd cheering was the loudest all night when they walked onto the stage. I wonder sometimes wether PLQ fans would rather see PLQ or the Grateful Dead (with Jerry). Now don't get me wrong... I am not trying to attack any ones opinion. Whatever music people like is cool for them. I just have had some life changing experiences with the members of the Grateful dead and their music, and respect what they offer now as much as ever. I never felt that it was all about Jerry. If you isolated Jerry's playing out of the mix it would not be so cool I gurantee. These guys still carry their part of the magic. I do not care if mickey plays with his mallets or if he sings. he is trying to find that good place in the music where magic happens by trying different things. Granted, his singing has not done it yet... but perhaps he has a vision for what it can be and wants to keep trying. Listen to a very early version of bird song. Not great IMO. I am glad they kept working on it though.

We were just talking about a new name for me..

"Woopie"..half Wookie half Yuppie...nahh..screw the shallow sleeping souls in yuppieville.

It was Brick who said that I looked like Greg Brady btw..the first RRE gathering when he was describing to Huck what I looked liked he broke that shit out.

Yo Midy..up your nose with rubber hose dude.

About the consistency comment...
I guess to make it closer to what I am thinking but not conveying is that I think that The Dead was trying to take a more PLF performance oriented track. Trying to take that successful element from PLF. While Bobby finally tried to make things more spontaneous and diverted from the setlist...SEE PNC FOR EXAMPLE...I think THE DEAD finally came into there own. I would say that the Jones Beach shows we the culmination of The Grateful Dead's approach and PLF's approach.
leaving us with THE DEAD.

Sure The Grateful Dead had long periods of consistency at times but I would think that everyone can agree that PLF took consistency to a new height. And for quotes...sheesh look at all the press releases circa Terp Station for talk of levels of performance.

>>>> If you isolated Jerry's playing out of the mix it would not be so cool I gurantee.

IMO that is BS, Jerry is/was the man. He played killer shit his whole career w/JGB, Howard Wales, Merl, Grisman, Old N In the Way, JGAB, Reconstruction, LOM, and GD...

Well, I liked seeing Bob, Phil, and Mickey on stage together at the Warfield. I don't think it was the best music of the set, I don't really enjoy Mickey's singing, and I would have chosen different song selections if I could choose such things, but it was cool as hell to see almost all of the remaining members on the Warfield Stage. Closest thing I'll ever get to the real thing, that's for sure.

Phil: Everyone say hellooooooo, Bobby!
Crowd: Helllllloooooo, Bobby!!

Phil: Everyone say hellllloooooo, Mickey!!
Crowd: Helllllooooooo, Mickey!

Mickey: Hello Phil! Hello John!

Phil sure did seem to enjoy having them on stage. He was all smiles with his vigorous introductions.

>>that ridiculously obnoxious off key four beat bass drum shit that Mickey pumped out before being shut off on the last verse of Aiko.

Dewit:

What did you mean by off key? Were the congas not tuned properly (to the key of the song) or did you mean off beat? I think you probably meant off beat, but I want to be sure.

while I do think bob & mickey did drain some of the energy from the set I did *love* seeing them up there. it was a treat

anyone else notice that when Mickey was saying hello to everyone in the band - bobby didnt answer...

The patchwork quilt was excellent. Saw it live from the floor at the Warfield, just heard it on the broadcast.

I'd also take the passenger, cryptical and midnight hour any day. Good show.

>mickey/bobby what a buzzkill...

damn i'm worried about the apocylypse now. dare i say it, i agree with the dudewit. cheese louise.

i wasn't even at the shows but i woulda been crying in my beer had i flown all the way to the left coast to see pure, unadulterated, uncut plq only to have weird and hartless show up and crash the party. bigtime bummer.

is it too late to ask the mr. dudewitty out on a date??

>>>>>Hate Bobby and Micky sitting in all you want, people. Just don't shove your opinions down my throat and delude yourself that your opinion is the only one that matters.

amen

I wasn't thrilled either but the playin in the band was played PLQ style...the aiko atleast was mixing it up with the bonus verses and the sugar mag just kind of killed it all in my opinion. The Playin exuded potential that was let down with the following two songs.

oh and another thing....that wharf rat was a dandy.....wasn't looking to hear it but it was a pleasant surprise

Musically the highlist for me was the second set, but emotionally the highlight for me was seeing Mickey and Bob join in. As soon as I saw the extra setup on stage I thought, "Oh great, Im going to have scroll through all the bad vibes if I read reviews tommarrow". Oh well. If some poeple want to be so negative, that is their choice I guess.

The reason it was the emotional highlight for me to see the three of them together was that at some level I was still afraid that the Dead had got together just for the money. Realistically, I knew that wasnt the case but I still had a slightly uncomfortable feeling about it.

I loved seeing them onstage becuase there they where playing together becuase they wanted to. Nothing more. It was a hart warming experince for me.

Despite all the negativilty here, it seems the majority of the crowd was really into it.

Actually Richie, I meant both. Mickey produced two sounds out of that one drum. One sound was okay, but off beat, the other was droned and the four beats were off beat. Can you believe a fourty year veteran pulled that? For those of you that may not have seen it, Mickey called for the volume to be turned up on that drum, and it was. The drum was turned off for the last verse...he was playing it, but no sound was coming out. Phil gave a nod to the soundboard as this took place.

As for my opinion...and how I said it, LessThan, that little foray into Mickey ego land was like getting hit by a truck...no surprise, the truck is bearing down, but sheesh. Bobby was no surprise, the sound check guy with the guest mike #1 Weir was a dead giveaway.

Also, I laid some of my personal down with this:

>>Mickey Hart sucks, period. You want proof...listen to Molo on King Solomon's then listen to that ridiculously obnoxious off key four beat bass drum shit that Mickey pumped out before being shut off on the last verse of Aiko.

I believe that a buzzkill can permeate, and unfortunately for many, not just me, it permeated for just a bit too long.

This show started out with a bang...four for four; huge energy, excellent, excellent drumming by John, serious solos by Jimmy and Warren had some damn good vocals going on.

>>>but it was cool as hell to see almost all of the remaining members on the Warfield Stage. Closest thing I'll ever get to the real thing, that's for sure.

That is wonderful for all of you that didn't see td, or any of the other incarnations, it really is. Too bad for y'all that Billy didn't come out, for he was backstage all night. That statement I mean from my heart. It is the same exact attitude I had for the td shows, the TOO tour last fall, Crusader Rabbit, all of it.

My opinion comes from another world; as said, I have gone to great personal and professional lengths to see P&F as much as is humanly possible, so my "pure" comes from a different mindset.

>>> I wonder sometimes wether PLQ fans would rather see PLQ or the Grateful Dead (with Jerry).

I would rather see P&F over the Dead, and JGB above the real Dead on that priority list. Not that that matters, but I have held that opinion since '00.

BTW, Cinderoo, you and that very very handsome hubby were directly across a section from us, and JMoore was off to say hello during the break and y'all were gone.

Zink, were you on the stage left side of the balcony in Row H? or thereabouts?

Despite my buzzkill, the utmost high point sans Fred, was watching Bradfest totally get down to Terrapin...utter joy watching that.

>>>That is wonderful for all of you that didn't see td, or any of the other incarnations, it really is.

there is/was a big difference between seeing the surviving members in the Dead and what went on Sat Night. The Dead had Joan who IMO completley ruined everything. Sat. Night at the Warfield sounded GREAT with Weir and Hart. And the Sugar magnolia sounded good to, I liked Bobby's little ending on Iko, I think he should have sang it.

>>>I believe that a buzzkill can permeate, and unfortunately for many, not just me, it permeated for just a bit too long.

buzzed? I thought Sober...

>>About the Low Spark->Terrapin jam, I hear what's been said about the modulation of the Low Spark chorus, but what about when they slip into the little descending line that was used to link China->Rider in 73-74? Sweet little tease.

Yup. Phil was definitely playing a little Feelin Groovy jam.

>>Well, you see, everyone I talked to purely hated it.

You mean the sit in by BW and MH right? Not the whole show?
Personally, I enjoyed the Playin but couldve done without Sugar Mag and especially Aiko. Ive seen the whole 'unity' thing a couple times now and Im done with the theyre-back-playing-together-thing. I wouldnt spend the time or money to see the Other Ones.
I like my Q pure too.
But shit, 3 tunes out of a killer run? THATS what consumes you about this stand?

Personally, I think that Joan was what made the Dead last summer - 3 out of 4 show I saw were excellent (the one that wasn't was a Bobby show). The fall TOO tour was mediocre IMO. I agree Dewit, the conga closest to the stage was emitting a horrible sound. It wasn't off key so much as untuned. Desides, as I said before, congas are hand drums and should be played with the hands to get the multitude of tones and subtleties from them. I guess Mickey doesn't know from subleties. I said in another post, Mickey is a good rudimentary drummer and should be playing in a marching band where he can shine. His banging on Saturday night was intrusive and grating at best. Bobby I could put up with - he let the band play and played with them - didn't try to take center stage as Mickey did. It would have even been nice if they didn't do the same songs they always do with Bobby sitting in. But, as I said before I came to see PLQ and didn't want it interferred with.

>>>>>>>>the conga closest to the stage was emitting a horrible sound. It wasn't off key so much as untuned.

Yeah, it was high-pitched distorted drum sound. Annoying.

>>>>>>>>>>Zink, were you on the stage left side of the balcony in Row H? or thereabouts?

Why yes, yes I was...on Saturday. Friday night I was the third row from the back. Thanks mailorder!! hehehe

Bitch Bitch Bitch,. Im sure mikey knows more about drumming then any of us. Mikey would shine in a marching band????? No my friend Mikey shined in the Grateful Dead! Playin in the Band is 1 if not the best Grateful Dead song ever, especially because of the jam it usually produced. The jam like Sat Night.

You were across the aisle and up one row from us...I recognized your wife.

Sat. Night at the Warfield sounded GREAT with Weir and Hart.

Gunner, have you listened to those songs yet? Richie Nagan, whose opinion on music is very well respected, and his knowledge of drumming fairly famous just said above that that drum was screwed up. It sounded like crap.

Thursday and Friday were fabulous, and I will write a review once I have listened to a few jams again.

Richie, are you referring to the 45 minute Ratdog buzzkill at PNC?

Friday was so weak compared to Sat.

If Richie Likes Joan then I wont agree with any of his opinions. Joan was horrible every show IMO.

Dewit get off the glue. j/k

>>>You were across the aisle and up one row from us...I recognized your wife.

who me?

>After the almost 80 P&F shows I have been spoiled

>My humble opinion was that of the twelve I saw

Always dropping the resume...

The resume at least gives me the opinions I have Mule dear. It is a resume, and it gives credence to the opinion, unlike the armchair critic around here who doesn't go to shows, and picks them apart ceremoniously. Like the direct reference to the drum above, at least if you have had the experience, or can pinpoint the disaster, credulity can be attained. It ain't bragging rights, its the heritage of the opinions.

Gunner, didn't know you were married...READ above. "Zink, were you....."

BTW, who the hell is Mikey? The kid on the Life commercial is the only Mikey I know.

>>>Im sure mikey knows more about drumming then any of us. Mikey would shine in a marching band????? No my friend Mikey shined in the Grateful Dead!

Gunner, I do believe you just shot your ..d.

I wish I had a chance to meet you, I was there Fri and Sat....

I really do respect and read almost all of your posts Dewit because I enjoy your (I don't know what word I'm going for here so we'll call it...) informed/experienced/soberly observant perspective on the scene. I think it's safe to say that most folks around here are familiar with "the resume" and don't need the re-cap. The best analogy I can offer is when you go skateboarding/surfing/snowboarding (my world) and it's always the guy/gal that allows their skills to speak for themselves that command the most respect...

...when I read your first post about not feeling too peachy about the Warfield run in general (or Sat. in particular) I was intrigued because I also enjoyed the shows to a great extent but have seen better as well (ala Maritime Feb '01, Berkeley 7/1/01, Phriends '99 run, etc...) and respected your honesty. Later on in the thread (partly due to the bait that had been laid...) you started trying to justify your skills rather than letting the record speak for itself. While we're on the topic I feel the same way about Bucky, I respect the dude's take on things quite a bit but sometimes the approach obscures the message.

Whatever's clever by me...sorry I didn't get a chance to meet you and more Zoner's.

Give it a rest, Dewit. I was about to give you major props for taking the high road by not responding to a slew of Bucky taunts but then ya ruined it and lashed out.
Go back to yer reviews from some of the DEAD shows ya saw this Summer. Seems like ya liked 'em.

>>>Always dropping the resume<<<
Have a look at aristo zoner status.
When did Richie attain supremo drummer credentials?

Now, the armchair critic is another story altogether. I could not believe my eyes when I read a stunning PLQ review from WPalm Beach Fl only to see the show seriously debunked by someone who wasn't even there and hadn't heard the show. He was going off of a setlist that he considered substandard. Sheeeesh!

Agree with LT...It's all in the delivery m'am. Also, why find it necessary to be so harsh. Try hash not glue, Dewit.
Agree with Wiz... nice to see the boys gettin' along and dispelling some of the lingering Warren hates Bobby crap.

yeah I was at Berkeley 7/1/01, and it was kick ass.

Mickey, you all knew what I was getting at.

>>Im sure mikey knows more about drumming then any of us. Mikey would shine in a marching band?????

Mickey might know about drumming...I know about baseball but don't play it well. I personally have spoken to a multitude of very well respected drummers/percussionists and all of them say that he is a mediocre percussionist with a giant ego.

>>Richie, are you referring to the 45 minute Ratdog buzzkill at PNC

Yep!

Whatever Richie.

Warfield shows were nuts. Thursday was an all out good time. Friday was a mind bending experience.............Look out east coast!!!!!!

>>>The best analogy I can offer is when you go skateboarding/surfing/snowboarding (my world) and it's always the guy/gal that allows their skills to speak for themselves that command the most respect...

Which is why I ended up teaching and not competing.

>>>when I read your first post about not feeling too peachy about the Warfield run in general (or Sat. in particular)

I know I haven't said boo about Friday, as we had not internet connection in the hotel on Saturday...as for Friday, brief comments, and nothing specific...

>>>No comment, yet. My body and mind fail to come up with much except that too much fun is certainly magical.

First reaction...what the fuck did the Dead do this summer, besides waste our time by not using Jimmy and Rob. Rob was just awesome, awesome, awesome. Jimmy is my hero, Warren was supercool, and Molo rocks my world every single show I hear.

So glad the stream is up for you all. I had this moment of trepidation before the show. What a waste of trepidation. All that we remember and more, because its been valued and missed.

Rob, the other sounds I heard, aside for the Tomorrow Never Knows teased that teased again, was the Stella leads all night.

The HSF was as good as it gets...The Real Thing was fucking perfect, stellar, powerful, and once again, they played a setlist for my life as it is.

That Unbroken needs to be playing right around 3:30 today. I owe Fred a gift.

Richie is very well versed in this musical world, and a large part of it, as I have witnessed and been informed of.

As for the summer shows, I believe I said there were moments of brilliance, but the fun factor was far more evident. P&F will always be the "it" factor for me. Today, tomorrow, and perhaps, given my age, the rest of my life, but my exposure to music is getting wider, more diverse. Will there be another band that gets me higher than any drug aspired to? Doubtful, but certainly not out of the realm.

And Dyer, coming from you the hash/glue statement is sorta rude. There are things that are personal, not funny. It wasn't funny the first time, and the second time is going down like a spoiled milk shake.

As for the boys getting along and dispelling the Warren Bobby crap, that was put to bed last December. As for the boys getting along, well, I am glad you were backstage, assessing that situation. A good witness is hard to find.

Go listen to Molo and that spectacular firework display that one man monster rhythm machine is capable of...hell, from the first song on Thursday it was quite evident that he is the dude, the cog, the wheel, the conduit, and the soul, the backbeat and the life force.

Phil invites his buds out for 3 freakin songs and you guys analyze every step, nod, look and drumbeat like you know what was going on. You Q heads had 3 great shows - what 9 hours of music - and you sit and talk about Bobby and Mickey.

Go back and read all of your expert opinions about Phil and the guys not getting along. If anything, Phil goes out of his way to have ex band mates join him on stage.

Where's the Phil is mad at mickey rumours now? one of you insiders must have the scoop by now.

>>Go listen to Molo and that spectacular firework display that one man monster rhythm machine is capable of

Molo is a fucking animal behind a drum set. Mickey tries to be but lacks the chops and soul.

Molo is right up there in the list of drummers I most respect. I would love to hear him and Muruga play together.

>>Where's the Phil is mad at mickey rumours now?

That wasn't a rumour, that was fact. The next fact is that they made up and are now playing music together. I went to see the Dead this past summer expecting to see Mickey and Bobby and I enjoyed most of it. When I go to see PLQ, I want to see PLQ. I don't mind Bobby sitting in once in a while, or even Mickey if it came to that, but after over a year with no PLQ, I wanted it pure. To paraphrase Geaorge Clinto, "Make my Q the P-Q, I want to get Q'd up. I want the bomb, I want the P-Q, don't want my Q stepped on."

>>>Molo is right up there in the list of drummers I most respect. I would love to hear him and Muruga play together.


I want to hear Molo and Matt play together. After hearing Jimmy, Rob and Phil talking about Abts on Wednesday, and having had conversations with Molo about him previously, this is the duo behind drum kits that I just know would blow the roof off the drumming universe.

As of 10PM Wednesday, no guests were invited or expected to show..."this is our first time out in awhile"..."we are hear to see Branford because there is no way we could get together any other way, or to play with him".

Pure Lesh Quintet

Dewit IMO your spun...

Richie you belong with Dewit.

>>>Molo is a fucking animal behind a drum set. Mickey tries to be but lacks the chops and soul.

I agree with the Molo statement. But Mickey has no chops or soul. Its hard to take anything you say serious with a statement like that. I suppose your a drummer huh? Why werent you in the GD? you are old enough thats for sure.

That would also be awesome. I just had a audion of Matt, Molo & Muruga playing three trap kits - just drums no other instruments. Three animals drumming together. WOW!

I love that I can count on the Philzone to be arguing the Mickey thing. Like the sun coming up, you guys, really. I wasn't down, but that was just bc I heard the guy CLOSE THE TOUR with it at the Gorge. Now he wants to play Aiko with Phil and Friends? Whatever, Mickey, don't push your luck. That being said, the one AT the GORGE was kickmothafuckinass, Dr. Spockazillion funtimes.

But wasn't it fun, guys? To be out in San Fran? Ah -- I was wrecked, you were kindly indulgent. I am much revived having shrugged off my bad energy specter friend and making it back to BROOKLYN safe.

Phil said it all Second Set, Second Night.....THE VORTEX
Turn on Your Lovelight
I still hear the licks shuddering in my spine


Thanks, Zone
Thanks, Band
Thanks to my Guardian Angel
Who held me by the hand
the zip twinge of a cable car zoomin down the street
the echo of a Warfield Run that left me so complete
the answer - clear
the process - seared
A shining smile on a sunburnt face, stained with bitter tears
Time is short, my sweethearts
Make the morsels count
Smile and share the heartache
let it all hang out
A hug before you sleep,
go to bed, child - take a nap
and when you wake tomorrow
there's another cosmic zap
I'll try to make some sense of all the mileage I incurred
see what came to pass when the gears shifted and whirred
All I know is THIS
You're wonderful and kind
You have great beauty
great despair
twisted perverse minds
But Zoners give THEIR HEARTS
and when they do
THEY SHINE
so thank you FREAKS and BEASTIES
for a real good
damn fine
time

>>I suppose your a drummer huh?

Actually, no - I'm a guitar player and I also play small percussion. The fact is, I am Muruga's road manager and friend and as such, I have learned a lot about drumming. Recently we did two drum festivals and I got to percuss with Giovanni Hidalgo, Airto, Sikiru, Badal Roy, Jim Donovan, the Dark Star drummers. Tony Fratangelo and the P-Funk (they have three awesome drummers that rotate the drumming duties). I think that I know soulful drumming when I hear it. Besides, how can I respect someone's musicianship when they chase two of the greatest horm players in the world, Perry Robinson and Marshall Allen, off the stage during an inpromptu drum circle because he doesn't want horns on HIS stage. This happened last year at teh Rhythm Festival at Nelson's Ledges. Friday night, after Sun Ra played there was scheduled a jam session with members of Muruga's GVCB and the Sun Ra Arkestra, some of them have been friends for years and Mickey was to headline on Saturday. Well, Mickey's gig in Michigan was cancelled due to lack of interest so he showed up a day early. Naturally, no other peformers could park backstage because Mickey's buses were coming. Well, he got there and, instead of just joining the jam session, he had to take control and form a drum circle on stage (he actually had people play for him before he allowed them on stage - he even asked Muruga to play his Nada drum to determine if he was good enough and then pretended that he didn't know it was Muruga. Perry and Marshall were jamming backstage and I heard Mickey say, "I don't want any horns on MY stage." When they started drumming, Perry and Marshall got on stage and started playing and the stage hand was about to set microphones up for them whgen Mickey had one of his people tell them to leave the stage. I wasn't Muruga's road manager at the time so I couldn't do anything, but it had happened this past summer, it wouldn't have gone that way.

Glad you're home safe Ber..nice rap

from the Citi Lights gift you gave me..


"Perfectly selfless, the beauty of it, the butterfly doesnt take it as personal achievement, he just disappears through the trees. You too, kind and humble and not-even-here, it wasnt in a greedy mood that you saw the light that belongs to everybody"

Kerouac




Thank You

>>>And Dyer, coming from you the hash/glue statement is sorta rude. There are things that are personal, not funny. It wasn't funny the first time, and the second time is going down like a spoiled milk shake.<<<

Why is it rude? I ain't a Wharfie. Drugs = good!
Alcohol, heroin, coke = bad!!! Make that very bad, just fer me...Oh yeah, glue = bad!.



>>>As for the boys getting along and dispelling the Warren Bobby crap, that was put to bed last December. As for the boys getting along, well, I am glad you were backstage, assessing that situation. A good witness is hard to find<<<

??? Sorry, could you supply a little clarification...

Was Warren upset by Bobby's daisy dukes? Was Bob pissed 'cause Warren can launch more spittle?

So Mickey has a big ego that still doesnt make him a shitty drummer.

Giovanni Hidalgo, Airto, Sikiru why didnt you ask them if they think he sucks?

I have talked many drummers about Mickey and I won't name names, but about 90% of them think he is mediocre.

"I have talked many drummers about Mickey and I won't name names, but about 90% of them think he is mediocre."

On that same note, most of my gutarist friends are completely bewildered by Jerry Garcia's popularity. I personally love Jerry Garcia's subtle and powerful playing and I love mickeys style and grace. Obvisouly not everyone agrees, but I love them both.

Negman - I was being sarcastic about Phil getting mad at Mickey for Sat. night - i know the history.

"I have talked many drummers about Mickey and I won't name names, but about 90% of them think he is mediocre."

Mickey has passion, conviction and drumming in his soul. World musicians like Hamza-el Din and others have HUGE respect for Mickey Hart. in case you forgot, his Planet Drum albums have been highly praised and he won a Grammy. He's written books and - oh yeah - he was in the best band ever for 30 years or so. John Molo and the rest of the drummers that you secretly refer to probably will never achieve the status of Mickey Hart. Ego -sure -we all have one. If I got on stage and some clown had me turned off, I'd get it fixed too.

>>>And Dyer, coming from you the hash/glue statement is sorta rude. There are things that are personal, not funny. It wasn't funny the first time, and the second time is going down like a spoiled milk shake.<<<

What, now we're not allowed to make cracks about drug use on the Phil Zone? What's become of the baby?

>>World musicians like Hamza-el Din and others have HUGE respect for Mickey Hart. in case you forgot, his Planet Drum albums have been highly praised and he won a Grammy. He's written books and - oh yeah - he was in the best band ever for 30 years or so.

Just because you play with someone doesn't necessarily mean that you respect them, it might just be that you need the pay check, the exposure or maybe want to play with the other musicians on stage. Planet Drum was a great album - but not because of Mickey, because of the other musicians. By the way, Planet Drum was Baba's idea, not Mickey's. Baba put it together, the only reason Mickey's was given top billing was name recognition, his name on top sells more albums than Baba's. Yes, he has written books. I agree that he is a great scholar of music and drumming in particular and admire and respect his work with the Library of Congress, etc. As for ego - all musicians have some, otherwise they wouldn't be able to get on stage. But that doesn't give you the right to take control and disrespect two musicians whose shoes you couldn't shine.

PL&J

Richie

Floyd--didnt make it to the magnolia, kept pretty local at the marriot
all i can say was the whole weekend was incredible---from the first notes on thursday to the final encore on sat
ill have to agree that bobby and mickey turned things down a notch on sat, but imo plq picked it right up....it was painful watching mickey telling the drum tech to get some volume, he just kind of brushed him off then the (?) stage manager comes over and mickey ask the same...they both look at phil , phil looks at mickey for a second they both raise their hands at each other --mickey saying i have no volume---phil almost dismissing him like what do you want me to do..then as a brotherly jesture phil breaks into aiko so mickey can sing, at this point one of mickeys congos are miked so you only here two or notes of what hes playing- he gets to sing so he's a little happier----akward moment
the reprise of low sparks missing verse was the highlight for me as well as into the mystic
the real gems were all the there and back again material that these guys pulled out of their asses all weekend,----hitting all of 'again and again' after not playing it since when?? rob your the man!!!
gotta get back to work---god i hate getting back into the 'swing' after fantasy camp this past weekend
great to meet so many zoners over the weekend!

I don't think anyone is arguing that Hart's contribution to world music awareness, or the Library of Congress work he has done. He is a mediocre drummer at this point in time. If you don't think so, fine, but if you take the time to remove the "aura" around the dude and just listen to him, the proof is in the pudding.

Bob Weir and Friends put an end to the Bob/Warren stuff...the rest has yet to be determined, but there was less access to td then there has ever been, and the same management company is now producing P&F. If someone could actually confirm by being with the boys that the issues are put to bed all the better.

>> He is a mediocre drummer at this point in time. If you don't think so, fine, but if you take the time to remove the "aura" around the dude and just listen to him, the proof is in the pudding.

Watch him while he plays, he has to stopped often becuase he loses the time and not just whenthe time changes (that would be understandable as he might not be the one that changed it and he would have to listen for a while to get the groove) but where the time is steady. Also, he stops drumming when he sings, even Mickey Dolenz could sing and drum at the same time.

>But wasn't it fun, guys? To be out in San Fran? Ah -- I was wrecked, you were kindly indulgent. I am much revived having shrugged off my bad energy specter friend and making it back to BROOKLYN safe.

sorry i missed meeting you huckster. were you wearing a philzone cleanup crew volunteer shirt on saturday night? thought it might have been you...

oh yeah, Samoan attorney reminded me of the two best quotes of the evening regarding the wookie chick brawl we had to endure pretty much the whole time Bob and Mickey were on stage..(SEE what happens? j/k )

Bud E. Greene:

"That's one fucked up chick, and that's SAYING something coming from me."

and

"Why can't they just wait til set break so we'll have entertainment when we need it?"

>>were you wearing a philzone cleanup crew volunteer shirt on saturday night?

Sounds like I was spotted. Cinderoo -- I am so sorry I didn't get to meet you too....GRRRRR
but as you may be surmising, by the end of this run i was a shakey shadow of myself......
though the gut buster soul guffaws coming from me after the friday night show were priceless
I think I actually scared some folks that night....right ,Dew?

mickey is a percussionist, not a drummer. that's why he stops alot. he adds flavor, he doesn't hold down the back beat.

i used to LOVE mickey hart. his style....his hi-hat fills, the cascading crescendos during peaks.

but, much like my beloved brett favre, his skills have deteriorated. not sure what it is, but i thought he wasn't as powerful this summer. still a pleasure to see him play, but i think molo is superior at this point in time...

my .02.

I know many percussionists and they don't stop. Besides, if you watch him he's not stopping to add flavor, he's stoppingbecause he has lost the time.

Just watch any and all GD dvds, Mickey ro=ips it up. Richie / Dewit I will say it agian IMO you are wrong. Quite trying to prove your point, we all know how you 2 feel about Mickey.

Someone mentioned the Song Again and Again, I think that has to be one of the worst songs ever written IMO.

You people are all wacked...
Enjoy the music for what it is worth.
We all went for some-kinda vacation (whether we traveled or not) and i loved my vacation.
Do I love weir? NO!
Did I want to really see Weir at the Warfield? NO!
Am I going to complain??? NO FUCKING WAY!!!

It wasn't like it was a PLQ/Ratdog split bill, it was special guests sitting in for a couple of tunes, and i didn't mind it at all...
Dewit, you are wacked, pure and simple...can't you enjoy the moment? I thought of you when they broke into "king solomon's" and it was awesome, but you can't get over the fact that this 3 song moment happened? I loved it! I loved the fact that i was sitting in the warfield seeing that! That i didn't care that weir was singing. I loved it when warren was grooving to "sugar mags" and not playing! I loved it when Weir and Phil were sharing a mic during "aiko"..Was Mickey good??? NO! NOT AT ALL, but was that REALLY his fault if his drums weren't in tune? NO!, i'd blame the roadie who is responsable for it. Did I want Mickey to sing? FUCK NO!, but the Aiko wasn't that bad at all (better than the "fire" that I told Jonas might happen) and I was having fun and dancing and enjoying the moment AND to me that's what the Dead/PLQ/jam-bands in general are all about, that moment where you are happy and dancing with a warm feeling without a care in the world...Dewit, you need to relax here. you are not queen zoner. no one here is better than anyone else and you come off to others that way, that you are better than the next "I've seen 80 + Phil shows, I was at Yoshi's and phil said this to me, I had breakfast with Jimmy, yadda, yadda, yadda"
I loved the weekend. Were there parts that were better than others? HELL YEAH!, but I loved it, and loved Sat. night, and i'd rather see a plq show with weir singing a couple of tunes than having NO plq shows at all...

this being said...WHERE'S MY MULE?!?!?!? (philly 10/10, are we ready E?"


by the way...did anyone else notice when Molo intro'd the band, he intro'd Warren like this..."and finally, on guitar and vocals, from New York City, NUMBER 23, Warren HAYNES!!!!!!"

I love this band!!!!!!!!

drumz suck.

the most enthralling piece of any GD show is drumz. drumz=beer line. now a days it gets the old EDIT button on the computer. call me a non-purist, i dont give a damn.

"The fact is, I am Muruga's road manager and friend and as such..."
-Richie Nagan (Negman)

"After hearing Jimmy, Rob and Phil talking about Abts on Wednesday..."
-Dewit (Dewit)

--------------------------------
does it get any better then this? unbelievable.

You missed some fun stuff this summer, Greg, if you skipped the drums. Mickey working that beam was cool.

hey RASTA happy birthday
I'll always remember yr sweet wave in the balcony
and that midnight Hour was for YOU

nah. saw the beam thing. whatever man, never was into drumz, still aint. what can i say. now a days i seriously hit the edit key to save disk space. wish i would have done it back when i was on XLIIs

hey huck...
thanks for the birthday wishes...
you're the 10th+ person to say that the "midnight hour" was for me...Jeez, i really hope it was!!!
Birthday was fun...just the start..it's a birthday celebration week or two

>>does it get any better then this? unbelievable.

Meaning?

>>but was that REALLY his fault if his drums weren't in tune? NO!, i'd blame the roadie who is responsable for it.

It wasn't that the drums weren't in tune (again, congas are supposed to be played with your hands to get the tones out of it. - they are not made for banging with sticks), Mickey was out of time or playing stuff that didn't blend with the rest of the music. You can beat drums in time but detract fromt he music if your not on the same page rhythmically. Mickey just seems to like to bang drums in weird patterns without any regard to the pattern being played by the others. Also, it is the misicians responsibility to make sure that the instruments sound right.

Huck, you didn't scare me at all...you know better than that. What you don't know is that my cell was dead most of the weekend, my charger being where it should not have been.

Rasta, happy birthday, and may I NEVER forget our moment in Central Park. . As for queen whatever...firstly, who gives a flying rats ass...and queen of an anarchy, puleeze. The dentist is more of a religious experience than that. The appearance of Mickey and Bobby put an enormous ugly reaction in me. If Billy had come out, fine. At least there wouldn't have been any retread. So, if the bad taste of those three songs still kills me, what business is that of yours. Its my buzzkill, and I am expressing it, using valid points of interest and fact. Something people usually scream out for when an opinion is expressed. I think what I want, as do others. I get the opportunity to remember a show, who I saw, what I heard.

Huck, the returned call willl be in a moment. Just finishing up a project I had going on for the last couple of months.

Right On Rastafari! Oh Yeah and Happy 30th Fuckin BDay!

>Sounds like I was spotted. Cinderoo -- I am so sorry I didn't get to meet you too....GRRRRR
but as you may be surmising, by the end of this run i was a shakey shadow of myself......

:-) well i should have gotten up the nerve to come say hi. i think you saw me too, or maybe i was just imagining the look of "why in the hell is that tall chick still staring at me" out by the bar before the show on saturday.

right on Rasta..and once again grate to meetcha..

just heard the Molo band intro on the stream (NFA right now)..

he intro's Warren as "#23, Warren Haynes"

this show was just sick..

they were ALL sick!

Oh, HA, cinderoo I had no idea....
I was convinced since arriving in SF that everyone was staring at me bc I was teetering on some edge btwn Julie McCoy and Wookville - what was it, Schnee, a "Cousin It" impersonation? Love it, good friend, gots to keep the peeps around who tell you when you have drugs all over yr face or are scaring the little ones.

BOO!

RICHIE.
all i meant is that im just a BUFF for the insider stuff man. i find it great you two choose to share so much with us.

Stay tuned then, Jimmy talked about an album he has done with his band, and he has a very interesting twist to it, that he hopes will get done early winter. Project Z isn't for everyone at all, but it does indeed show a whole 'nuther side to Jimmy's rep. He was stoked talking about it.

Mostly though, they were sad beyond about the Terrapin gig being cancelled, and talked alot about what it meant to them, to play with Scofield. You want a fun conversation, talk about anything but their own tunes.

Scofield is just huge to these guys, and they just couldn't say enough about him.

You walk out of a restaurant for a smoke and you never know what is going to happen. Like the train driving down the middle of the street. There may be something to these no smoking laws after all; brings people together. At least there is one good thing about it. I also met some very very cool folk from all around smoking a butt on Friday night. Only night I went out. Must say its weird to have to cross the sidewalk to smoke. The Beacon pen feels so much more "civil"...that makeshift "pen".

Midy, that quote from the Rev is classic. I can just imagine it.

Again, stilll talking about 20 mins out of 9+ hours of music. What whiners my gosh.

Negman, you are obviously very knowledgeable about drums and percussion so I'm giving that a rest. EXCEPT - PLQ is PLQ with or without Molo. If he was replaced with anyone, you guys would still think that this cover band is the best band around.

>>PLQ is PLQ with or without Molo

Naw, then it would be P&F again. PLQ is a very specific five musicians.

Listenin to the saturday Midnite train jammin out right now.....so cool to be able to hear it again so soon.

thank you taperrob!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

PLQ is a very specific five musicians

-i agree with that. and id also like to try and sooth over my drumz suck post above. it is purely opinionated i feel this way. i know many freaks that are drum/space freaks. its all good.

>I was convinced since arriving in SF that everyone was staring at me bc I was teetering on some edge btwn Julie McCoy and Wookville -

actually, that makes you fit right into the san francisco scene ;-)


>BTW, Cinderoo, you and that very very handsome hubby were directly across a section from us, and JMoore was off to say hello during the break and y'all were gone.


dew....jmoore caught up with us later in the set break. what a sweet guy. he tried pointing you out for me, but my eyes just weren't focusing for some reason. ;-)

after 10 years together, i still can't believe that handsom hubby of mine picked a schlub like me.

PLQ - cover band living off other peoples music.
P & F - cover band living off other peoples music.

Same thing in my book. And in 90% of other peoples book as well, though I won't name names.

>>PLQ - cover band living off other peoples music.
P & F - cover band living off other peoples music.

How can they be living off other people's music if they are mostly playing the music that the leader of the band originally created? Did the Grateful Dead live off other people's music becaused they played so many cover songs?

PLQ = Phil, Warren, Rob, Jimmy, Molo
PLF = Phil and some other combination

>>>>Negman, you are obviously very knowledgeable about drums and percussion

i dont know about that. IMO he is talking out of his ass.

There is not enough space here to answer that question. Garcia and Weir are listed as writers for amost all of Grateful Dead music. Phil wrote a few. Garcia and Weir sang almost all of the Grateful Dead songs. Phil sang a few. Phil singing any Jerry/Bob song is a cover song.

So combnine the GD covers that they do with the other covers that they do and what you have is: a cover band living off of other peoples music.

Hope that clears it up for you.

CJ...
How do you know that 90% of the people feel the way you do???
THAT, is the most idiotic comment of the day!!!

>>Garcia and Weir are listed as writers for amost all of Grateful Dead music. Phil wrote a few. Garcia and Weir sang almost all of the Grateful Dead songs. Phil sang a few. Phil singing any Jerry/Bob song is a cover song.

It's not just the writer and singer that create a song, it's all of the musicians involved in the process.

Yo Peter - I was playing touche with a comment from Negman (see below)earlier in the thread:
"I have talked many drummers about Mickey and I won't name names, but about 90% of them think he is mediocre."

So - YOU are the biggest idiot for not reading the entire thread.

The reason I won't name names is because the comments were made to me in a private conversation and I do believe that what people tell me should remain anonymous. It also avoids creating hard feelings between the people that said it and the people that it was said about.

>>>It's not just the writer and singer that create a song, it's all of the musicians involved in the process.

OK - simpler for you - if you are not the original singer that recorded it for the first time then it is a cover. Please = anyone singing Terrapin, Stella Blue, Comes a Time, Eyes etc is a cover version.

hey CJ...
I def. am an idiot sometimes...
sorry for not reading the entire thread...
sorry for the comment!!!!

Then I suppose that when the Dead did a pigpen song after he died it was a cover?

Now you're getting it. BTW, many of the Pigpens tunes were covers to begin with.


Oh and this conversation is over.

I guess so. We will agree to disagree on what constitutes a cover.

before i forget i thought it was pretty pathetic of bobby to add his vocals on the end of aiko....why bobby why????
i guess hunter doing stella blue is a cover? that arguement isnt even worth debating because that would make the grateful dead a cover band and if that was the truth none of us would be wasting time here

>>>bobby to add his vocals on the end of aiko....why bobby why????

PLQ thrives upon (perceived) improvisation. Weir delivered.
(And it was cool when Phil joined him.)

I liked what Weir added to Iko, I thought it sounded good. Im also a big Weir fan.

IMO CJ has a point. Phil didnt write many tunes.

>>Phil didnt write many tunes.

The GD created the tunes after they were written.

there's a difference betweem improv and pure ego feeding----rock star singer syndrome=you dont have to sing on every song...
its not what you play its what you dont play

actually i take that back...only positive posts
love yah bobby

>>PLQ - cover band living off other peoples music.
P & F - cover band living off other peoples music.

Same thing in my book. And in 90% of other peoples book as well, though I won't name names.

That gives off a negative connotation. Are you saying that GD music should not live on after the dead? Only the dead can play gd music? That this music, that we hold so dear, that sings the songs of the ages should die with those that gave it life? Or is it possible that these songs and these elements have given birth to a whole musical generation and genre that will live long no matter whos playing the music.

ALL THREE of these shows were friggin' great -- nuff said!!

>>>I should have expected this BS from Dewit. The way she writes it makes her sound like she knows everything.
HOLY SHIT! If this isn't the pot calling the kettle black! Gunner,you shoot off your big mouth 'round here all the time!

>>>Playin in the Band is 1 if not the best Grateful Dead song ever.
HAHAHA! Your taste in songs is completely lacking if you believe that!

>>>Friday was so weak compared to Sat.
Your ignorance is astounding!

>>>Quite trying to prove your point, we all know how you 2 feel about Mickey.
Not like we didn't have to listen to you rant about Joan all summer long!! And the word is quit!

>>>IMO he is talking out of his ass.
This is a serious statement considering it's coming from the king of the ass clowns!!

In one statement, no one does the Grateful Dead better than the Grateful Dead. That is what I'm saying.

Any fan who proposes that PLQ does it better is wrong IMO. Let the music play on, but put it in its proper place: BEHIND THE GRATEFUL DEAD.

The trashing of the GD, Bobby, Mickey, Ratdog, etc. and the lack of respect shown by PLQ fans to the GD is actually quite bogus and not needed.

So go see your cover band and enjoy.

CJ, that is WAY your opinion..

and NO ONE did or does improvisational jam music better than the PLQ (excepting Grateful Dead 68-74)and that is absolutley JUST MY OPINION.

I saw SO many Dead shows post 89 that were absolute clunkers in terms of band cohesion, energy level, creativity and pure enjoyability compared to so many of the PLQ shows I've seen and heard..

let folks enjoy having their favorite band back dude...

>>and NO ONE did or does improvisational jam music better than the PLQ (excepting Grateful Dead 68-74)and that is absolutley JUST MY OPINION.

Mine too!! unless you count Indian music, but that doesnt count

God Bless Phil and Friends for bringing back Viola, King Solomons, Dark Star, Golden Rd, New Potatoe, The OtherOne (yes the Otherone), The Eleven, St. Stephen, Caution, Masons, Alligator...with new vitalized ENERGY!!! wahoo!! this is a new age of GD music, the past is past, it hasent been this good since '78! hehe

Thank you for the Beatles songs, those will live forever too!!

Thank you for There and Back Again, keeping the GD spirit alive in more ways then one. Just wait, by the end next year we will have 30 minute Leave me out of this and mind blowing Night of 1,000 stars. Wahoo!

second that evan!!!!


just listened to the aiko for the first time since sat.-----mickeys "ok(?) drum solo" line at the end of aiko is fucking classic!!!

cj i dont really see anyone bashing the gd here??? maybe i missed it???
if were talking pure musical cohesion midy is midy right no one i repeat no one can jam like the Q. again leaving aside the g deads pinnacle years. am i saying that i like plq better than the dead NO WAY! can they jam better than the dead did in their latter years(unfortunately most of my years seeing the band)??? you bet

>So go see your cover band and enjoy.

oh, i will. and golly, thanks for the permission. all i ask is that while you prance around on your moral high horse, you keep it away from the dance floor. sure would hate to slip on all the shit it drops behind.

your welcome cinderoo.

>>>>Any fan who proposes that PLQ does it better is wrong IMO. Let the music play on, but put it in its proper place: BEHIND THE GRATEFUL DEAD.

Thats My OPINION AS WELL! But Opinions are like assholes everyones got one.

>>>you keep it away from the dance floor. sure would hate to slip on all the shit it drops behind.


Freeeeekin Classic

I love the criticism of Mickey singing when Phil, one of the main singers of the band, has a voice so bad that any non-deadhead listening to his singing literally cringes.

You might have convinced yourselves that Phil has "character" in his voice, but the truth is, it's a very poor singing voice by any objective professional standard.

And is PLQ really "improv" jamming. All their transitions sould pretty standard to me.

I think they are a good band, but their "deification" by some is just hilarious.

Pot......Kettle........Black

>>..this will ruin it for the purists..

The day Phil plays what the Phans WANT to hear and not what He WANTS to play will be a sad day for me..

I'll take whatever he tosses on setlist and Trust Me..be not "brought down" by his decisions to let players sit in..It's his frickin band..amd he ta;ks to me every time I go to a Phil and Friends show..ANDHis smile kills me..

I think MAYBE some of you go to TOO MANY SHOWS...

Maybe Admin should think about changing this places hook to..

Becasue the Phans want to tell Phil what to do....

LOL..Ha Ha...

Bobby Sat. night was as close to the Pre Ratdog Bobby as you'll get..The way he stood..held his guitar..The tempo..I dug it..Best dose of Bobby for me in a while..

And IMO Bobby can still drive a little bus..or shall I say Sports Car..giving Phil a thumb signal and looking at Molo.. and jam then turned away from Warren and back to ensemble..Which I thought was a decent bit of whellmanship on his part..

This show to me was about illusion..San Fran..fog shrouded hills..hot blonde mini skirt clad street walkers the size of football players...Bobby w/ a beard..Phil looking younger than he did 15 years ago..a bus stop where an empty space was..shifting sands..The only thing for sure..We all die someday..so why not enjoy what it is you say you like so much..stop beating yourself and others up..IMO...if ya ain;t grateful alive.. can't see ya being grateful dead..

> But Opinions are like assholes everyones got one.

thought I heard Madonna was getting her's surgically removed?

Gdad, I hear ya!

Hope the 3 AM Italian food was what the doctor ordered, thanks again for the intro to Barb.

>>>>Hey whatever gets you to sleep at night. But what I am trying to understand, really I am, is why people feel it necessary to be pointedly harsh about their personal interpretations of their singular experience<<<<
these are some of the same folks, if they were old enough, that would rag on jerry. these people are never satisfied. most tooo young to ever even experience the grateful dead. if they were truly dead heads they couldn't possibly go around spreading there negative thoughts so freely.
"IF YOU PLANT ICE, YOUR GONNA HARVEST WIND!!".
THEY ARE SOULESS, IRRITABLE, LAME FUCKS THAT SHOULD CONSIDER SREADING THERE KIND OF BROTHERHOOD ELSEWERE !! face it you negative folks, PHIL DOES NOT THINK LIKE YOU ! he is a positive loving brother, father, husband who is a
grate roll model for all of us. you really never got it and probably never will. hopefully the na sayers didn't spend much time or effort to get to these shows, because we wouldn't want to bring them down.
as far as sat. nites show !! it was a TRUE deadheads dream come true. the band that stood on stage there for those 3 songs is the ultimate band
less billy. I think we could have 3 guitars and 3 drummers. alls I know is it was magical for me.
what a birthday celebration it was !!!! can we do it again next year boys ? only this time, at my house :~)

>>>>>>>>>>>I think MAYBE some of you go to TOO MANY SHOWS...

I thimk Ralph Wiggum may have said: "That's unpossible!"

Dewit, what "MOMENT" in Central Park are you talking about?!?!? I have never had a moment with you EVER...
if you are referring to the "moment" when i came upon you, looking for help or water for my friend who just got sick, and you looked at me offering ZERO help, yes, that is a moment that i'll never forget...THANKS!

And neither will the rest of US. So glad your memory is so vivid. That isn't how it went down, exactly, and you did get the water, right outta my hand, thank you very much. Never did get another bottle.

bullshit...
plain and simple
no water, nothing...
stop lying and grow up

You got mail sweety.

isn't this lovely

Please stop this madness!!! The shows were awesome - it was a great weekend - it was fun seeing everyone - everyone got home safely - and we have a huge run in Nov/Dec coming up. Why is there hostility anywhere??

Rastafari is my best friend in the world. I'm always gonna have this guy's back in any situation.

Dewit has only ever been nice, pleasant and friendly towards me and I respect her for her love of music.

Please you guys - give it a rest. Let's not diminish the warm feelings we got from PLQ this weekend and from the togetherness we all felt at the Warfield. And - we're probably gonna be seeing a whole bunch of each other at shows all fall, winter, spring, as this wheel keeps on turning. This space is getting too hot. I know Rasta doesn't want any conflict here. And I think I know that Dewit loves music enough to not want to be deflecting criticism all day long on the zone for voicing her opinion. She's earned that right as far as i'm concerned. I'm just looking for my daily escape of PLQ talk - please - this hasn't been fun reading lately - and it really should be considering the great stuff that's going on in our little corner of the music world.

>>>>And is PLQ really "improv" jamming. All their transitions sould pretty standard to me.

>>>>I think they are a good band, but their "deification" by some is just hilarious.

I couldnt agree more. They dont really even Improv at all.

re: Phil..>> he is a positive loving brother, father, husband who is a grate roll model for all of us..

Takamelody...That is the best thing written here..that and the deadhead dream come true..the rest of your post more like napalm..

I asked John Molo a bunch of questions Sat morning about the music..I asked him what is was like to have GD members watching them (PLQ) play.??

He talked a bunch about Billy and related some conversations he has had w/ Billy..I told him bout snares in ST Stephen my firstshow..04-21-69 and he tapped out on her table Billy's riffs, then his..Priceless..

Then he said something I feel speaks volumns..about him as a man..and MIRROR like when looking at us..

PLQ's impact on the GD music scene he felt best about..

How the 'Boys" would just walk off the stage after s show..But NOW they hug each other..

A sagely few words IMO..

It would do us as Phil Phans and Zoners specifically if we did a bit more of this ouselves..

This was my first Phil shows as a zoner..At Kaiser and Irvine Dead shows..I felt us a special breed of deadheads..looser, funnier amd generaly having a better time than the other heads

Now feel a bit Inbred..too small a fishbowl maybe..

Words are like bullets outta a gun..pull that trigger and you can never get that projectile back..

But hugs man..a simple act..without verbage..unlike anything else one can do..makes ya feel warm and good like putting on your favorite sweater and taking a walk in the Mission in the Rain..

Molo immediately upon seeing the Motor Home and Barbara opening door..Got right inside..you've seen it...not big in there...He what 6'2"..??..he loved it..

If we as fearless as he..Barbara and I shoulda went up to the 39th floor ..ordered a drink..and taken our clothes off.. She looks pretty good for 56..??..And HIV pos for 8 years..(..whatever it is she is doing seems to be working..LOL..)

.So many words....So few hugs...Lets rise..lets not fall..to get to Denver..

>>>>.I dug it..Best dose of Bobby for me in a while..

Me Too GDAD.

gdad i agree with all of your wise words- especially about it being phil's band and therefore HIS choice what to play and who to have as guests. we should be so grateful that he is even around still what with his close call several years ago. i'm ashamed to be a member of this site when it is so full of negativity, judgements, and all-around bullshit. that's why i rarely post... but the thing is that those of you who i have met were really cool and decent, kind folks in person..why can't we carry some of those humbled personality traits over to the zone?? wouldn't it make everyone a bit more relaxed and at peace w/ our fave site? anyways one more thing-- dewit i didn't ever meet you that day at the marriott... you were there and someone told gunner and i who you were (we would have liked to have been introduced) but that was about it. just FYI.

heh heh

Fuckin Zonerz....

Harsh chemicals will hurt you..harsh judgements will too..IMO..this thread is proof of that..

the sign of a hugh person..a friend..is that they will get pissed off at you supreme..then minutes later be over it as if nothing happened..

And not forcing the other person to apologize to get over it..

This place can and should be a place to vent..to be a bit agro..we all need to at times..

I always try to apologize in advance for everything I will do when doing a trip like San Fran..I know me..

..Phil forgave me for my Thursday night Train Wreck..too drunk to go to show....right of the bat Friday show.."Driving That Train"..

I gotta notion I need to put the brakes on sumtimes..

>>>Gunner Basher (Fuckyoudakota)
are you kidding me with this shit?

you must have alot of free time on your hands to be creating an identity just to show someone you don't even know how much you hate them.

may i take a stab at who you might be? just give me a hint-

i have a feeling you're the crybaby rob who sends people spindles and expects all these shows right away when nothing was offered to begin with?

Saturday's show was *all* good.

G.Dad, I thought you were kidding about sleeping through Thursday's show? Come on now, you didn't? You've got a voice that I'll always remember. I could have sworn that I heard you say, "I miracled Zippy a ticket." I didn't see you when I heard it, but I knew it was you. Wasn't that on Thursday night?

Molo hanging in the Wheel Estate? Nice.

Yes..I missed Thursday show..As Kelley says..took one for the team..

Miracle for Zippy was Friday night..

Just got my PC up and running in new house..

Listening to Zone radio first time since shows....10-27 Playin in the Band right now..

Trying to see if I can hear when Bobby took the wheel...

>>>10-27 Playin in the Band right now

There was a point during Playin' on Saturday when I thought to myself, "See, Bobby can hang with the big kids, for a little bit."

>>>you must have alot of free time on your hands to be creating an identity just to show someone you don't even know how much you hate them.

I don't hate anyone.Nothing I wrote in the post is untrue or hateful,just my opinions on his hypocrisy. Deal with it like we all have to deal with him.

>>>i have a feeling you're the crybaby rob who sends people spindles and expects all these shows right away when nothing was offered to begin with?

I am not this Rob you speak of but it's nice that you can be so quick to condemn someone based on a few written words that don't have anything to do with you!Grow up and let dakota fight his own battles.
But alas,there will be no battle as this is the final post from me.I just wanted to make a point and I believe I have.The moral of this story is:if you're gonna talk smack,expect it back!
PS I really don't hate anyone,even you Gunner! I'm sure that you're probably a very cool person and I guess I picked on you cuz you're more outspoken (and more critical of others opinions)than others. I wish we all could get along better here but it's not a perfect world nor will it ever be but let's all try and keep it civil!
Peace,love and light to everyone!!

One of those days, gunnerbasher? HEH HEH HEH
"Let's all try"??? OK, Romper Room Monitor
love and light to everyone while you're spewing "king of ass clowns"? Riiiiiiighht.

Persona isn't getting us anywhere if you just tweak from behind a curtain, O Ominpotent Master. "We all" works better when we can verify the source.

Fuckyoudakota scribbled


But alas,there will be no battle as this is the final post from me.I just wanted to make a point and I believe I have.The moral of this story is:if you're gonna talk smack,expect it back!

1.Belive me, you've made no point. A quick change of addy is a form of cowardice and your post immediately loses any validity.
2.Your "current" addy is, in its glorious entirety, Gunnerbasher(dakotafuckyou).
You later recommend
"I wish we all could get along better here but it's not a perfect world nor will it ever be but let's all try and keep it civil!"
Call me pedantic but I see diverging themes.

pedantic!

hmmm..im beginning to see the pattern here though. you got me thinking now dyer. f-d up, this internet thing is. the world will never know, i guess??? im all with bringing back IP's. let the queens of drama sit in their own shit.

cinderoo.....got to say you put it so well in an earlier post in regards to Bobby joining the set...you mentioned a beautiful mystic a "monster" of a king sol marbles a good passenger and a sweet patchwork quilt(perhaps not in those exact words).of which I entirely agree...and then in my opinion....Bobby came in and put his rubber stamp of mediocrity on what could have been a killer set......

well having thought about it a bit more perhaps the word mediocrity is a bit harsh.....what I should have said is "standardised" song selection.

Standardized song selection????

PLaying In The Band(when is the last time you heard a good version w/ Bobby singing and Phil playing bass? This is 1 of Weirs best IMO.)

Sugar Magnolia(is an Epic and always will be.)

people thought it was cool to bash Bobby like 15 years ago, get some originality.

Sorry DAK, did you think that was bobby bashing....it actually was not. My reference to standardized is in no way putting Bobby down...but he does have his place and it was not at that show and at that moment. The set already had a fantastic groove going and the Q were very hot.....but the steam which soon rose from the stage was not from "the heat" of Q it was from the bucket of water that Bobby(Crusader Rabbit)tossed in.
Timing is everything!

And DAK, the playn in the Band was hot..the aiko good and the rest.....but the GROOVE was gone!!!

Was like a Sauna in there!!!!A standardized Sauna!

>>>dewit i didn't ever meet you that day at the marriott... you were there and someone told gunner and i who you were (we would have liked to have been introduced) but that was about it. just FYI.

I went up and introduced myself, but believe I only shook Gunner's hand, very very quickly, and I believe I asked the bartender to put a pair of drinks on my bill...I know they got paid for...in a twist of weirdness, the Marriot footed that bill.

This was not a minute before GDad "chased" us down and informed me that I don't resemble my profile picture at all...The Rev and I had to bail quickly that afternoon to meet up with our roommates. Sorry if I wasn't more vocal, but I really don't talk much in person. We did go back later on, before the show, and you were there, but I didn't go up to y'all again. There were a ton of people I have met in the travels that I wanted to cheek to cheek and share a smile at very quickly.

>>>>> I thought the music was best when Mickey and Bob were on stage.

BWAAAA HAAA HAAAA HOOOO HAAAA HAAAAAA OOOHHH HAAAA HAAAWWWWW!!!!

Just couldn't help myself . . .

>>>>>> Someone mentioned the Song Again and Again, I think that has to be one of the worst songs ever written IMO.

Amen Bro' - it's like when they play the corny "Our Song" at "normal" people's weddings . . .

Ok, the REAL reason I signed on . . . gotta tell the brief story of how I saved Taper Rob's (and a few other tapers) ass -

For the show I hung out on the rail just behind the tapers at the staircase, inner (left) side. During Sugaree, this REALLY falling-down-drunk girl was stumbling around in the aisle with a full cup of beer - the ushers told her to leave - she tried to push her way into the crowd with no luck - then she took a step down the stairs and totally lost it - heading right towards the back corner of the tapers section on the other side of the stair rail, full beer leading the way - to Taper Rob's spot. At the instant the beer cup was about to dump on Rob's unaware head below (and then open laptop), I firmly but gently grabbed her and ushered her away towards the back of the aisle, getting all of her beer spilled on my hand & arm, and on my jacket on the railing, in the process. She turned around and tried to come back, all pissed off that her beer was gone. I instantly flicked my beer-soaked hand RIGHT IN HER FACE!!! This drove her off for good!

Tomorrow night: "Bar Hopping and Flipping Out the Squares In San Francisco" . . . or, "San Francisco, where even the NORMAL people are FREAKS!!!!" . . .

Oh, more food for thought:

9/25 = 175' (+/- a few min's)
9/26 = 175' " "
9/27 = 195' " "

Bob & Mickey were on stage for about 25' on 9/27, so it was REALLY still a 170' Phil show plus 25' of "bonus".

The Zone owes you her beer and more.

this was a very very interesting show to say the least. First for those of you who do not know by now that my room is like some weird lost and found for some reason on saturday I had 15 lighters,2 packs of cig and a phone charger or 2 also there seemed to be a lot of glasses on my desk.....Had general admission and shared a blanket with Midy ,Capt Teneal and a couple others right down front. Before the first song there was a chick fist fight. Then after the set began this wingnut with long blonde hair came up front and decided that everyone needed to have her hair flung in their faces (if you thought the night at the roxbury head bob was weird you would freak on this one) so after moving here back and forth across the blanket she finally moves down and within a few secs this chick was getting punched in the face by a couple more chicks.3 songs 2 chick fights in the front.

Got time for the special guests and we cheered wicked loud when Mickeys mic didnt work and even louder when the broke down his drum kit. Night of weirdness indeed.....I loved it!!!!!!

Rev you left out the part where wook dread girl Alison found it necessary to scream and moan like a banshee whilst flinging her dreads round and round..

like I said the timing of this incident could have been much worse seeing as it occurred during "bonus time."

so YOU got my lighter?

Sideshow, nice save!

sideshow bob,
were you in that same spot all weekend? i am the guy from Colorado that was hanging out behind a group of people from Connecticut for Friday and Saturday. if so, thanks for sharing the space and time. we had a good section going there...

>>>I believe I asked the bartender to put a pair of drinks on my bill...I know they got paid for...in a twist of weirdness, the Marriot footed that bill.

we were not aware of that. But Thank You Kindly.

Midy- if it had a leopard skin on it it died in the room.......I had forgotten about the kind $100 credit that the Marriott gave for construction noise that started after I had woken up.

hey i stayed there too, wheres my credit?

>>>>> I thought the music was best when Mickey and Bob were on stage.

BWAAAA HAAA HAAAA HOOOO HAAAA HAAAAAA OOOHHH HAAAA HAAAWWWWW!!!!


Does it really bother you so that I enjoyed some music. I would think you would be happy for me that I had a good time. I am mor and more disapointed with the PLQ scene the more I experience it. The attitudes expressed by many of the fans certainly are not congruent with what I hear coming through the music. Then again I hear Bob and Mickey's music as being good, and you don't. Perhaps instead of hearing kindness and brotherhood from PLQ you hear derision and malice. I miss the good feelings that were in large supply at Grateful Dead shows. It seems that the scene is becoming more about who has the superior spiritual experience. I wrote my opinion of Mickey and Bob being good for those who were not at the show so that they might know what went down (at least from my perspective). I really am glad that yall love PLQ. I only hope that you can latch onto some of the more positive underpinnings of the music and bring it out into the rest of your life. Even though I am not particularly impressed with the way they play music, I still recognize that they are trying to spread good vibes. For me this is good enough. As I said before though I recognize that if someone is into jazz or the more technical aspect of music, then PLQ is going to seem like a better band. I wish that I experienced them the way some of you seem to. Great music has been a very strong force in my life. The Grateful Dead and the Dead have both at times managed to completely transform my consciousness and teach me lessons that I feel helped to make me a better pereson. Thus far PLQ has only provided me with a groovy dance beat.

Joshua that is just how alot of people are on the board, i agree with almost everything you said. the part I dont is "the dead" part, I thought the Dead w/ Joan were terrible. Dont loss faith brother The Good and the bad are still out there in plenty.
peace

PS I loved the Bobby/Mickey part.

To quote the Comic Book Store Guy on The Simpsons:

"Since You Are Unfamiliar With the Concept of SARCASM . . . "

To quote the Comic Book Store Guy on The Simpsons:

"Since You Are Unfamiliar With the Concept of SARCASM . . . "


I accept that you did not make the comment in a mean spirited way, but you should be aware that it does not look like sarcasm. Intentions are only one part of things. The other part is being aware of how people are likely to interpret your actions.

Who put what in the water?

Darkness shrugs and bids the day goodbye.....................

Seats Fri and Sat was a little different but nothing seriously agro or negative......but I was trying to have some fun with someone next to me and they weren't joining in on the fun.......there loss...;)

Thursday was nothin but good vibes......we were all the way on the right on the floor in front of the speakers.....could only see Jimmy and Rob....Phils bass was a thumpin......good time had by all in that space.