Break out Tom Thumbs Blues...some where in NJ
Please!!!! I need it!

Anyone know what time the openers are starting??

I'm trying to catch all of Willie in Camden.

Thx... oh and I have an extra lawn seat for Camden. Face, anyone? chefj@optonline.net

It was posted somewhere else that Winwood goes on at 5, Dead at 7. Peace!

C,mon Phil!!! Box Of Rain!!! Please!!!!

Enjoy your Dark Star folks.

drool....

im bouncing off my friggin seat here man!

3hrs!

dark star
v.2
phil- Mirror shatters
In formless reflections of matter
rob-Glass hand dissolving
To ice petal flowers revolving
joan??-Lady in velvet
Recedes in the nights of goodbye


????????????????????????
oh man!!!!!

i have one extra for tonight

Mickey sits in for Steve Winwood's last song of his set......

Im A Man...

no info on rest of Winwoods set yet...

Let us know what the Dead opens with
peace

6/24/03-
hell in a bucket-

they opened with LTGTR->Cumberland.

that's all i have so far.

The Dead - PNC Arts Center, NJ - 6/24/03

Set 1:

Let The Good Times Roll>
Cumberland Blues
Even So>
October Queen>Jam>
Gimme Some Lovin'> (SW-keys and vocal w/drummer from SW band)
Jam>
Fire On The Mountain (w/Winwood-keyboards, drummer from SW band)
Passenger

Even So>October Queen? I didn't think I was that green. Can someone Phil me in please?

Ratdoggy dog tunes...

Thanks for the skinny on those tunes. Two in a row might have slightly soured my spirits and/or sent me in line for liquid spirits.

>and/or sent me in line for liquid spirits.

I take it they don't call you "Blurry Murray" for nothing?

8^)

i'm going to be running very late tomorrow 6/25. Could anyone tell me what the Dead have been starting for 5pm shows? Also, what is the average starting time for set 2?
thanks
bent

set 2

drums
space
smokestack
mojo working
schoolgirl

Seems second sets are starting about nine.

Great Woods 1st set 7:15 - 8:20 2nd set 9 - 11

drums
space
smokestack
mojo working
schoolgirl
tons of steel (joan)
btw
it must have been the roses (joan)

Please be aware this is just pasted over from www.dead.net

You are warned.

2 Schwagg Dog tunes in a row?!?

WEAPONS GRADE BUZZ KILL!!!

What time did they go on for the first set?

I heard about 7:00pm, if not a few minutes earlier.

thanks, just wanna make sure I am in tomorrow. Based on tonights setlist, tomorrow should be good. Not that I judge shows on a setlist. Sometimes the list can look bad, and as we all know the shows can be great.

drums
space
smokestack
mojo working
schoolgirl
tons of steel (joan)
btw
it must have been the roses (joan)
Tomorrow Never Knows
Jam
The 11
Help/Slip
Nfa

Ratdoggy dog....that brought a big smile.

No 2nd set from taperrob?

Set One:
Let the Good Times Roll (bobby v.1, joan v. 2, bobby and joan v.3)->
Cumberland Blues,
Even So->
October Queen-> jam->
Gimme Some Lovin’ (w/ winwood and his drummer)->
Jam->
Fire On the Mountain(w/winwood & his drummer)->
Passenger

Set Two:
Spacey Freaked out Drums Jam->
Drums (w/guests)->Space->
Smokestack Lightning->
Jam (w/winwood on keys)->
got my mojo working? (w/ winwood on keys and bobby singing)->
Good Morning, Little Schoolgirl,
Tons of Steel (Joan)->
Black Throated Wind->
Must Have Been the Roses (J)->
Jam->Tomorrow Never Knows->
Jam->The Eleven,
Help->Slip->NFA

encore: donor rap Brokedown Place

not sure about the breaks/jam notations

boy...bluesy show....all that's missing is Never Trust a Woman!!

Any word on the quality of playing yet? As far as the setlist goes, I'd be very very psyched to be holding tommorrow nights tix. Does Bobby's Mojo still work?

went to Hartford had a great time. just got back from tonight. I usually LOVE these guys...i have never seen them so off. I am going tomorrow, hope they are better. maybe it was the heat.

I saw spac and hartford so far. Spac blew my mind, but I have to admit, Hartford was a mess musically. I guess they're having a lot of on nights and a lot of off nights. And when they're on they're hot, and when they''re off they're a mess.

Hartford was real bad, but please believe me that spac was magical!

"I guess they are having a lot of on nights and a lot of off nights."

Sounds like classic Dead.

PLQ has spoiled the shit out of us!

Bobby's Mojo stoped working in 1996 on a Fall Ratdog tour but since he now has a few recent arena tours under his belt and has returned to the "party guy" life and with the triumphant growth of Fox like multi-level thick facial hair his mojo has returned. He lost his mojo Blurrymurray? And don't think I know how you are. Go pats!!!

Douglas "DumasMartino" Dunbar

Spoil Me! I like a lot of The Dead so far on this tour, but there have been some trainwrecks...
Thank Jerry I have about 60 PLQ shows on the shelf to choose from...and tix for all three nites at the Warfield....Life is good!

Setlist looks absolutely fab!!!
I missed the Black Throated AND Brokedown!!
Ohhhhhhh ~ how upsetting!

Oh well ~

Just got home. This show was completely flat and listless - I am completely bummed.

Do they have to play Ratdog songs?? Can't they dig through Hunter's notebooks and concoct a couple new tunes?


Tomorrow has to be better.
Tomorrow has to be better.
Tomorrow has to be better.
Tomorrow has to be better.

The Dead - PNC Arts Center, NJ - 6/24/03

Set 1:

Let The Good Times Roll>
Cumberland Blues
Even So>
October Queen>Jam>
Gimme Some Lovin'> (SW-keys and vocal w/drummer from SW band)
Jam>
Fire On The Mountain (w/Winwood-keyboards, drummer from SW band)
Passenger

Set 2:
Spacy Drumz>Drumz>Space> (w/ Winwoods drummers)
Smokestack Lightning (Bob, Joan)>
Got My Mojo Working (Bob, w/Winwood - keyboard)>
Good Morning Little Schoolgirl (w/Winwood - keyboard)
Tons of Steel (Joan)
Black Throated Wind
It Must have Been The Roses (Joan)>Jam>
Tomorrow Never Knows (Bob, Phil, Joan)>Jam>
The Eleven...
Help On The Way>
Slipknot>
Not Fade Away
Donor Rap
Brokedown Palace (Bob)


thank you peggy-o

umm... nothing against joan... but rob is dead-on brent at vox... they should just let rob do the brent tunes (tons of steel, etc.).. and a few more of jerry's for that matter... "let rob sing, let rob sing"

no i wasn't at the show tonight but was getting kinda bummed in the chat room as i saw a few of the tunes come up.

Sorry about tonight AW....You're right... tomorrow has to be better!!!!

.....quote of the night by lennonb.....
"I guess they are having a lot of on nights and a lot of off nights. Sounds like classic Dead. PLQ has spoiled the shit out of us!"

well said and so true! hell, i guess that's why we've kept coming back for so many years!

WAS THERE SHOW WAS FLAT Pray tommorrow is better have 5th row

wow...looks like this is the rotten egg of the tour so far! not one good review yet! i was only at merriweather and that was great, hope things heat up again for camden!

that show almost put me to bed
horribly mellow and boring

Ya'll gonna let one negative review get your hopes down? I wouldn't !!! everyone's experience is different. While i enjoyed all 3 shows I atteneded to the utmost I'm sure there were those who didn't at each of 'em. Just a thought. :*)

Must've been the Roses the second time around prolly even tighter. Must have been beautiful! Setlist looks good. Can't wait to hear this.

Just got back from one of my worst grateful dead experiences of all time. With the exception of passenger, (which I love), the show really stunk. They gotta start double checking their setlists, and start acting like The Dead, and not RatDog. That means, let some other people sing bob. Seriously. You have Mr. Jerry Garcia sitting on the keys and you ignore him with the exception of harmony. After the departure of the Jolly bearded one, I feared no one could emulate him vocally. But now we have Rob, who isn't allowed to sing at all. ARG

The jam out of October Queen is called The Deep End.

Chiming in as a Weir lover from PZ Chat Tour 2003, tonight's show was another great experience. And now I feel privileged to be able to hear tonight's show tonight. Thanks!!!

Are you people insane? A TOTALLY sweet LTGTR into a ripping Cumberland. Was I thrilled at Ratdog tunes? No, but WTF? At least it wasn't Corrinna or EZ A. Mickey Fire is rough but Jimmy makes it worth it. Passenger smoked.

Aside from a too-early entrance (LTGTR) and a blip on Roses, Joan was superb. The key changes give some tunes a different feel, and it was weird to see Bob play with a capo.

Speaking of Bob: this was definitely a Bob-fest, and Schoolgirl was an absolute surprise to everyone on stage but Bob. The drummers picked it right up but the rest of the band stopped dead. Phil and Joan exchanged shrugs and Phil took his time before joining in. I've never been a huge fan of the tune, BUT IT SMOKED. And Bob played lead. Flat-out, turned up LEAD. Two separate times. And it was great, in a sort of rudimentary Robbie Robertson kinda way. I don't know how it (or any of the show) sounded thru the house. I was in the first row and actually was hearing the on-stage amps for the most part.

Kinda funny. At the end of his 2nd solo, Bob sort of stepped back and to the side behind Jimmy, as if to say "OK, now I'm a sideman." Whereupon Jimmy ripped it up.

BTW was also real nice. And all the little sloppy areas were in the end balanced out by a smoking, precision Help, Slipknot.

I knew the Bobfest aspect and Joan's singing Tons (and probably the fact they played Tons at all) would launch the nattering nabobs of negativity (apologies to Spiro's dessicated corpse) but I had a great time.

And I think we're good for a Shakedown>ChinaRider>Samson tomorrow. I mean today.

Great review, I love the line "nattering nabobs of negativity", we have a few around here too

Front row, huh

when has Rob done Brent songs g. ?
I know Warren did a few

one of the things i loved most about live dead was the way they seamlessly jammed one song into another it is missed. this band might have a nice set list on paper but remember this: "you can't judge a book by its cover"
maybe im spoiled i toured a bunch i saw the band and jerry a bunch, out west, up and down the east, when they returned to oregon, with and without brent and i saw tonights show (6/24). although bobby's mojo sounded ok, bob didnt have his "mojo on", for it was ultimately ruined when he snapped and went into his upbeat version of schoolgirl.... and it didnt stop there, things of this nature kept recurring throughout the night. they dont jam anymore this is not p&f and although many of the veterans are still up there the show quite frankly blew!
tons of steel was good, alittle too quick though, not very instrumental. on the way out they found a little groove and it just disappeared, it evaporated, it died. there was no spirit, no one could hold it together. again it just died! then they found black throated wind... was good but then it just died and was killed by roses, which was weak instrumentally and strong vocally. joan osborne sounds good, i like the way she moves, id definitely hit it! i think she changed the lyrics so it didnt sound like she was singing about a chick. from there mickey and bill tried to bridge it into tomorrow never knows, but everyone else seemed clueless for a minute or two, eventually it clicked. on the way out of that phil, jimmy, and rob tried to drift it into the eleven... bobby again clueless, he threw his hands down, to figure it out. this eleven, as decent as it was, just couldnt find help>slip. the eleven, just went dead! awful!
they're dead, not alive... they die at the end of each tune which they used to seamlessly jam into the next. its like two fist sets.
if you want you read the setlists and say "wow!" and if you want to go and make excuses for them, as several people in my group did, you can cause its not easy being honest about the band you love when they are this bad! its brutal. this isnt the THE DEAD its not P&F its lame, boring, and blew.
possibly the most awful part about it was fire on the mountain. they need to retire the mickey vocal thing along with "the other ones".
Winwood was refreshing, winwood drummers on drums with mickey and bill were excellent.
can you get up and dance? yes, but be prepared to be stopped dead in your tracks at the end of each song. you are at their mercy now not the mercy of the sublime! this was just like every other "rock" concert that has ever been! as for me... this could be the last, maybe the last time i dont know.
ill give phil with schofeild and branford a chance.

btw first set: replace "gimme some lovin" with "john barleycorn must die"

actually replace the jam out of october queen with john barleycorn must die

Back from Holmdel. I actually really enjoyed the show last night. I thought the first set was pretty mediocre. Cumberland, Gimme Som lovin, and passenger were great. The Ratdog songs (and I am a Ratdog fan) really fell flat and killed the crowd.

The second set was tremendous, really unusual, unpredictable and good. Bobby did a great job with the 1950s blues/early rock n roll stuff (mojo, little school girl), not fade away, slipnot incredible.

And in terms of Joan--she is a delight. I thought her Must have been the roses was great, really great. Melted into to my seat. So was tons of steel. All in all the second set made it worth the trip and not at all a lemon of the tour. Opening with drums and space also excellent.

heal sidney, you make alot of good points. i went to hartford and felt the same way...they fizzled out at the end of each tune only to awkwardly find their way to the next. As I read earlier, PLQ has definitely spoiled me, too.
Hopefully they pull it together soon...I'm going to the Vernon show and hopefully the two Jones Beach Shows (I spent a while decorating my envelopes for Ruby at GDTSTOO...I'm keeping my fingers crossed!) I'm psyched for the addition of a third, acoustic set at each of these.

>>one of the things i loved most about live dead was the way they seamlessly jammed one song into another>>

Absolutely. When it happened it was great. But it didn't always happen, and for every time it did there was a train wreck somewhere else. NOTHING is different IN THAT RESPECT, and your memory is wearing some rose colored glasses if you think otherwise. Bobby's sarcastic "Just like a swiss watch" line is going on 20 years old, I think. Holmdel 1 had enough train wrecks to have been sponsored by AMTRAK, to be sure. But to boil it down to "they were great then, they suck now" is too simplistic to merit any serious discussion.

Yeah, it was a Bob-fest, and more transitions than usual were sloppy. And it was setlist hell for a lot of folks. If you never saw a GD show that fit the same description, good for you, but I saw plenty.

>>they fizzled out at the end of each tune only to awkwardly find their way to the next.

Hello? PLQ '02 anybody? Just as much flailing around in that unit, in that era, as during Fall Too, or last night (Haven't heard any other shows), IMO.

The sky ain't fallin', folks.

About last night: have read several reviews here & at other boards. The show last night was like many,many ,many other shows: some great spots, some lulls,some screw-ups. Lots depends on where you're sitting. I was 5th row and everyone on stage seems to be truly enjoying themselves....sure beats the times when I saw them and the strain was obvious...

High points:

Gimme Some Lovin
BTW
Passenger
Bobby playing decent lead on Mojo and Schoolgirl!

does anyone know the time steve went on stage to open?

I think part of the reason it is so easy to be critical of the present "The Dead" is that since it has been so long now since Jerry left us, we remember the top notch Grateful Dead shows, and tend to forget, well, forget the forgetable shows. This has much to do with the conversion from casettes to CDs. We gets CDs of the Grateful Dead shows we love. When was the last time you listioned to 3/18/95? The shows I've seen in the last year are tighter then that one.

I don't know...even though they lose their direction once in a while, and Jimmy runs out of fresh ideas and hardly takes any risks, and Bob takes left turns at Albakurque, and Phil can hardly be heard anywhere, and Joan girates distractingly during hot jams, I still enjoy hearing them try. It does get boring for me at times so I take a walk and enjoy the scene. Weir's a trip and he definitely carries the flame. Obviously the drumz/space are the real thing and my favorite part of the show, but I'm sure every night is quite different from the next. My biggest complaint would be that I couldn't phind the philzone anywhere. Maybe up front he could be heard but nowhere else...after all I'm there to mostly hear his tone and ideas. We'll see what they serve up tonight...

I've been a big defender of Joan, but asking her to sing "Tons Of Steel"??

I have no defense for that. Surely they could find better material for her to sing. How about Big Railroad Blues or something?

How was the Mojo is what I want to know. Think 10/21/78 was the last time that was broken out and what a show it was.

Geee, on and off nights. Sounds like GD to me.

Though I have lurked in the shadows of the philzone for years, this is my first post. I'm just a little bit worried about all the "I'm getting rid of my tickets and never seeing this band again" reactions to some of the less than stellar shows so far this tour. Last night was a bad night, no more, no less, and since when did the GD not have bad nights, and lots of them? There IS a problem, however, with this band and it's that they have lost some of the "mystical" aspects of a GD performance, which therefore puts more pressure on them to perform musically. When they dont, all involved (or all who are paying attention to the music) have a pretty bad time.
No reason to get too upset about it though. I know it doesn't feel to hopeful with sets like last night, which was disorganized, uninspired, and SLOW , but I'm hoping they just need to find their sea legs. I have seen moments of true brilliance from this band (the jam out of Hard to Handle at Hartford gave me enough proof that this can still be a vital band) and I hope they'll continue to improve so that they can tap into some of that x factor every night. If they aren't an eight-headed monster by the time Jones Beach rolls around (if not sooner), then I'll be the first rat to flee this sinking ship, but I seriously doubt I'll be swimming anywhere.
I am very psyched about tonight's show, seeing as many songs are due, but then again I thought the same thing about last night. It really should be a killer show, as long as Weir does not write the setlist. Also, PNC needs to do something about parking, it took over an hour getting in and getting out and had to miss some of the show because of this, but hey, shit happens. Hope we all have a better time tonight.
thegrape

I understand that this section is about the music but the atmosphere of the venue can sometimes turn a dud performance into a fiasco or a solid, but unexceptional performance into a night you will cherish forever.

For those going tonight, get there extremely early! I have seen a show or two at nearly every venue slated for a tour stop this year and PNC is by far the most unfriendly and logistically painful venue on tour.

Last year the money crunchers at PNC decided to start pre-selling the parking spaces near the venue via ticketmaster. (You can sneak into these areas but they are patrolled by NJ State Troomer so exercise caution.) The remaining "parking" is in empty fields next to the highway, off the sides of off-ramps, or as I found out last night, double parked on a dead end street past a war memorial with a 15min walk to the venue. This necessitates a nice hike or bus ride so:

a) don't think about bringing anything up to the venue that is questionable that you do not want to abandon at the gate or return to your car: cameras, umbrellas, food, water bottles with broken seals, musical instruments, etc.
b) if you have somewhere to go after the show or have to work the next day, take a look at your neighbors and assess whether they look like they will be in a rush to leave after the show. You may be blocked in; I saw several frustrated heads sitting in limbo on the way out.

The Phil show at PNC in 2001 was so exceptional that I keep forgetting how bad it is.

Let's hope the boys can conjure up some magic tonight! See ya on the Parkway.

>>Hello? PLQ '02 anybody? Just as much flailing around in that unit, in that era, as during Fall Too...

I went to 8 PLQ shows last year and they really jammed one tune to the next...O.K., not at every show of course...but at the ones that they did, you could really feel the energy flow...did you go/hear last year's Scranton, Hartford, or Merriweather? (Scranton is perhaps an unfair comparison...the venue was changed last minute to a really tiny/intimate space).

I THOUGHT THEY HAD THIS WEIR GUY TRAINED.
LAST NIGHT REMINDED ME OF THE DEAD ALRIGHT...THE BAD SHOWS WHEN WEIR WOULD TRY TO STEAL THE SHOW AND FALL ALL OVER HIMSELF.
CAN YOU BELIEVE HE HAD STEVE WINDWOOD ON THE HAMMOND B3 FOR THOSE BLUES TUNES AND KING WEIR DIDN'T GIVE HIM A SOLO.
MUST BE PART OF THE DEAL FOR THE REUNION."WEIR SHOWS"/"PHIL SHOWS'.
WHILE WAITING FOR WEIR TO START THE ELEVEN PHIL PULLED OUT HIS EARGOGGLES AND TOOK A SHORT NAP.
ONLY ONE THING CAN COME OF THIS:...... .........TONIGHTS KILLER SHOW! GET THE WHIP OUT PHIL. GOOD SHOW EVERYONE....MM

I never went to a Grateful Dead show and heard 2 ratdog songs.

I got off the bus when Corrina got on.

How about letting her do the Me and Bobby Mcgee. I can't believe Bobby's got the nads to do it with her five feet to his right with that killer voice.

last night's show was a disappointment, very mellow and no energy. at times, it felt like instead of seeing "the dead" I was seeing the "bob weir blues band"

Sometimes it's good, sometimes not so good. I found that the seams between songs at Merriweather (2nd set mainly) were incredibly tighter than the shows I saw in Philly last November...to the point where I was pretty impressed. Keep in mind that this line-up has been together for less than 1 year. The Grateful Dead had 30 years of trials and (many) errors.

Sounds like they may have been off a little last night but they will no doubt hit it again. I for one would rather hear more diverse sets and see the band exploring other musical landscapes then have them stick to a shorter list of songs that they have down pat and play every third night.

Looking forward to Camden...

Mojo was hot...

you are all a bunch of bitches

I heard Mickey "Double DOG Dared" Bobby to play 2 Ratdog songs in a row,,,,

Yuck-
a terrible show-
Only good stuff was Winwood doin' Gimme Some Lovin, Passenger and I liked Joan on Tons Of Steel.

Hot, humid and stinky inside the pavillion as well.

I split after Roses.

If I wanna see the Bob Weir band, I don't need to drive three hours to Jersey.

I heard Mickey "Double DOG Dared" Bobby to play 2 Ratdog songs in a row,,,,


If thats the case, I sure hope Bobby dosen't dare Mickey to Rap two in a row! ;) Especially in St Louie!

>>I split after Roses.

Too bad, then, cause you missed The Eleven, Help>Slip>Not Fade Away, which for at least some of us (meaning me and my friends) was the highlight. I would be surprised by negative reviews of this portion of the show. Similarly, I think most people (meaning me and my friends) would agree that prior to this, the song selection was BRUTAL.

Because I've decided to pass on tonight's show, it most likely will be phenomenal. Enjoy!

At the point where they lauunched in the eleven, the show was ruined for me anyway

I got caught in 4 hours of traffic and missed the entire first set....walked in during set break. Maybe that's why i had such a great time? The second set ROCKED. Too much bobby in the beginning for me, but once the 11 hit the show fucking took off and from there on it they were really on top of their game. The help>slip>NFA is just testimony to how much fun these guys are having. I thought the second half of the second set was enough to drive 4 hours for...so i don't know what y'all are talking about

Let's get Warren in here for Wed. show!! -- ABB is in NY on Thursday so he's in the area -- that'll pick things up for sure!!

even though i was not at the show, i have been listening to it over the net. i think i have heard about 3, and while the sound quality is just ok, i get the jist.

i will have a better idea after the 5 shows at Red Rocks since i will be there.

the 2nd half of the 2nd set (that is all i have heard so far) sounds pretty phat. with that said could the energy be higher?(probably yes) i think we might be expecting too much from a band that really has not been together very long, and with 8 moving pieces it is gonna take some time to totally get in sync.

my wish list includes letting Rob sing more and joan less, even thoug i like her addition. i agree with others that robs voice should be used more. maybe it is becuase he sorta does sound like jerry back in the day, and they dont want to be occused of just trying to replicate his voice. I also wish that Jimmy would let it rip a bit more. with phil he just shreds the music. i dont know if it his him being a bit more overwhelmed by being jerry's replacement, or if the other band members want him to reign him in just a bit.

it looks and sounds like there are highs and lows points to each show, and the are kinks that need to be worked out. they sound better than stuff post hornsby, but they dont seem to be on a level with the brent era or mid to late 70's. in essence still the GD, and every nite they give it the college try. sometimes it comes up triple bars and other nites you might wonder why you bother.

i expect them to get stronger as the tour moves along.

RATDOG TUNES, WOW. i like ashes and glass from that album, and the others are alright, but when you consider they have yet to even play a lazy lightning/supp, october queen is dissapointing. but again that is why i luv em, they play whatever they want, and just as long as they play it well icould care less if it is pop goes the weasel.

out of the four shows i have seen (reunion and philly last year) i would say that philly was much better than alpine. i really liked susan, alot, mister charlie was a real high point.

i just hope the sound system kicks ass in CO. at least they have 5 nights to get it totally kickin.

peace

I write this short entry from the bowels of Newark NJ. From where I sit, Jersey is a smelly place with bad traffic problems. but full of wonderful people.

The show:

Drums!!! Wow This show showed me just how ON Billy & Mickey are. The Drums were absolutely insane.

Yes, the setlist looked juicy at points, and the show was juicy at points, but a bit sloppy as well. Fire was actually kinda sung by Mickey rather than usual rap. Very nice. I loved the song selection, especially the MOJO!!! Transition to Schoolgirl left everyone thinking Bob was overguessing. Joan muffed some lyrics, but nailed The Roses.

I met Shitloads of Zoners yesterday and was stoked to feel their very kind vibes... Tonight should be another wonderful time.

Just checked by Merck medical book and found that
'Help>Slip>Not Fade Away' can result in a severe case of Franklinus Interuptus. Main symptom is severe crankiness.

Briefly, my take on last nights show (I can't go into details - I have to get a lot of work done before I leave for tonights show):

Great music, great vocals (except for Mickey singing - which I try to tune out). Joan was great - great voice and gret energy, her dancing on stage is not pretentious, just her getting infused withthe spirit of the music, just like we do. I loved how when Bobby went into School Girl the rest of the band stopped playing and look at him as if to say, "What the fuck are you playing, Bob?" I'll be able to go into more detail tomorrow, when I can work all day and night to catch up.

Peace love & joy

Richie

Help>Slip>Not Fade Away

they should have never bailed out. slipknot was crankin too. not redrocks crankin, but i thought it had its moments. then just as phil tagged loose...WHAM. bop, bop bopbop. **PASS** and much of the whole night was like that. Cowboy cheeseball bob. yeah, interesting note though i think bobby stole the show from joan! mickey is STILL singing fire, why? ive heard PLQ play passenger so many times nothing this band or joan will do is going to make me think different.

After the drum/space fiasco i made it down around the 20th row for smokestack. MAN IT WAS HOT DOWN THERE! more bobby swag..then Joan belts out tons of steel. I was down with her voice for approx. 10 seconds, really groovin it until i crashed again. Sunshine Jimmy was just incredible around here though, as usual. The wind was, well..the wind. Roses sucked. Thought phil was low in the mix during 11, but i dont think it was a technical problem. It was more likely a complication with me being in a shitty spot up top.

highlights for me. tomorrow never knows! man, i just love this tune. Brokedown had its moments as well.

"Day 1 of Joan" review: Hey, shes got a great voice. Unfortunately this show was such a bob fest i didnt really have time to hear it. maybe tonight.

LET PHIL LOOSE!
---> seabass time!

i have been to alot of shows in the last 27 years and this one really sucked!!!!!!!!!!! i am selling my sat. camden and going to see the allman brothers in atlantic city, i need my warren!!!! phil and friends are so much better its not even funny. i can only hope for a nice beacon run in nov.please phil we need you!!! and lot rob sing!!!i think bobby has gotten worse with age, maybe the beard is draining all his energy.please let phil just take charge tonight!! the other ones shows i saw in nov. were so good, what happened? well looks like i am doing lots of phil and friends and string cheese shows the rest of this year.get stupid tonight and open with dark star!!!

yeah, and beth says the show was bob showing off his big balls again. Shes getting bumper stickers to hand out that say "Bobs Big Balls" ...

1 dollar.
3 for 2.

Oceanography Lesson @ PNC ‘Arts’ Center Last Night

Before I go off on my observations of what I witnessed last night @ the PNC ‘Arts’ Center last night, please let me qualify. I have been a HUGE Grateful Dead & related projects fan for over fifteen years, and have quite a few number of shows underneath my belt. Personally, I feel an obligation as a deadicated fan to voice my humble opinion of what transpired last night.

First off, I want to support the boys in as many was as possible – tix sales, CD, merchandising, etc. However, my faith in the product presented (at the expensive price) was shaken last night.

Mid-way thru the second set last night their was a sighting. A fin appeared on stage. It wasn’t a dolphin. It’s wasn’t a porpoise. Wasn’t a whale. Yes, it was a shark. AND BOY DID IT JUMP!!!

I’ll keep it short – Joan, sang a Brent tune = Tons of Steel. Dun-Dun, Dun-Dun, Dun-Dun….just when U thought it was safe to back on tour.

Never thought I’d ever find any wisdom in a Brent tune, last night I did:

I know these rails we're on like I know my lady's smile
Re-see a dozen dreams in every passing mile
Can't begin to count the trips
That she and I have made
But I wish I had a dollar
For each time we both been down this grade

Chorus
Nine hundred thousand tons of steel
Made to roll
Her brakes don't work and this grade's so steep
Her engine's sure to blow
Nine hundred thousand tons of steel
Out of control
She's more a roller-coaster than the train I used to know

It's one hell of an understatement to say she can get mean
She's temperamental, more a bitch than a machine
She wasn't built to travel at
The speed a rumour flies
These wheels are bound to jump the tracks
Before they burn the ties

[chorus]

Murphy's sure outdone himself to pick this stretch of track
I can only hope my luck is riding in the back
Well I have prayed to God
This ain't the day we meet
I've done about everything
But try dragging my feet

[chorus]

Oo, oo, I wanna go down slow
Oo, oo, oo, oo, oo
Nine hundred thousand tons of steel
Out of control
She's more a roller coaster than the train I used to know

The Dead - PNC Arts Center, NJ - 6/24/03

Set 1:

Let The Good Times Roll> - laid back, decent start
Cumberland Blues – progress, not perfection
Even So> New Bobby tune – deflated the entire crowds energy, took all the potential momentum away
October Queen>Jam> MORE BOBBY
Gimme Some Lovin'> (SW-keys and vocal w/drummer from SW band)
Jam> - decent stuff, nice to hear Steve Winwood
Fire On The Mountain (w/Winwood-keyboards, drummer from SW band) – Mickey rapping away, ok playing
Passenger – more Bobby

I have my hopes up for some kind of redemption in the second set. Hoping for more jams, more Phil….all I got was Sharks with Friggin’ lasers on their heads!!!

Set 2:
Spacy Drumz>Drumz>Space> (w/ Winwoods drummers)
Smokestack Lightning (Bob, Joan)> actually not bad
Got My Mojo Working (Bob, w/Winwood - keyboard)> - actually BAD, total trainreck, no one in the band expected this or knew what Bobby was going into. Why do U have SW on stage & not feature him???
Good Morning Little Schoolgirl (w/Winwood - keyboard) – Bobby just started singing this with the same tune/music from the last song?!?!
Tons of Steel (Joan) – SHARKS WITH FRICKIN’ LASERS!!!
Black Throated Wind – MORE BOBBY!!!
It Must have Been The Roses (Joan)>Jam> - Joan kept looking down for the words & still forgot them
Tomorrow Never Knows (Bob, Phil, Joan)>Jam> - better than anything else in the set proceeeding it
The Eleven... – Bobby throwing massive CB’s (cockblocks left & right)
Help On The Way> - OK
Slipknot> - only tight jamming of the night, Phil finally showed up
Not Fade Away – What the fuck happened to the Franklin’?!?! TOO OBVIOUS, crowd wasn’t into it. Where was the tail end ‘love not fade away?!?!
Donor Rap
Brokedown Palace (Bob) – ridiculous rapped version by Bobby, oh course he messed the words up.

No collective group bow @ the end, they just walked off stage.

Dun, dun, dun, dun, dun……..

Phil, Phriends don't let Phriends 'click, chang & spit." How many days till Phil & Phriends Fall Tour???

I've attended hundreds of GD shows with my first being in the summer of '74. I know all about good nights, mediocre nights and painful nights. Last night was as bad as it gets (right up there TOO in the summer of 2000).

Roses was beautiful (whoever expected to hear this song live again) and Tons of Steel was nice. But when they're placed in the middle of the second set, and people are happy, I think that says a lot about where this show was going. I love hearing BTW too, but this is also a first set song. And the BobbyBluesFest is OK, but 25 minutes of the second set? And who needs Even So > October Queen at a Dead show? Tell me that didn't sap the energy that built out of what was a hot Cumberland!

Dead shows have always been about ebb and flow, tension and release. Last night was too much of too little. Let's hope it was just an off night, because this was not the same band I saw this past Fall.

LTGTR>Cumberland: two excellent 1st set tunes back to back w/ a seemless transition. Billy's kick drum mic was clipping the system at the beginning of the set- but was fixed in no time.

Even So>October Queen:... beggars cant be choosers, ya know?

Gimme Some Lovin': HOT!

Fire: the beer line was short

Passenger: killer tune..... short 1st set

Drums>Space: great to watch four guys run around back there like kids in a playground

Smokestack>Mojo>Schoolgirl: Loved smokestack, but three bobby blues tunes in a row were too much. before schoolgirl Bobby walked up to winwood and asked him if he knew a tune, steve shook his head "No" and they went into schoolgirl.....

Tons of Steel / BTW: was hoping by now that they wouldve picked up the energy, but no. both tunes were played well though.

Must've Been The Roses: excellent perfomance, even w/ Joan looking down to read the words.

TNK: couldnt figure out what this was gonna be, mickey was kind of vamping on the toms ala 'Help', but bobby had his synth guitar out w/ a capo on the 2nd fret....some hints of 'Victim' in there as well.

The Eleven: they fucked the opening transitions up big time.

Help>Slip>NFA: you thought you were gonna get Franklins but nooooooo! all in all a very good Help>Slip

Brokedown: Had a gut feeling this would be an encore. Mickey was hitting his snare rather hard on 2+4, so Phil turns around about to yell at Billy. Phil realizes it aint Billy, and both of them look over at Mickey and start laughing- priceless!!!!

I am going tonight and heal Sidney bummed me out. However, I do believe that he misses the one real distinction between PLQ and the Dead when it comes to the seamless transition between songs. Please note thatI also enjoy the spontaneous transition between songs particularly ones that were improvised. One thing about PLQ was that the transitions were anything but improvised. Do not get me wrong. I love PLQ and will be first in line to see them when they return but lets be fair. Phil orchestrated many of the jams (remember the planetary jams of two years ago). It was also apparent that no matter where the jams went, they would ultimately return to where Phil had scripted them to go. Thus, the transitions were sometimes contrived. In fact, PLQ frequently teased songs within jams only to play something completely different--the Dead would take the tease and then play the song (i.e., Stir it Up in Hampton).

One notable exception was the Roseland NYC PLQ show where during St. Stephen that the band went into Led Zeps Good Times Bad Times spontaneously. I am looking forward to tonight and hope that the disappointed learn to judge this band not by what they once were but what they are (and consider the curent music scene in doing so).

we all deserve a refund for that show
it was junk
i miss phil and friends
its become bob weir and friends
and that just sux

>>It Must have Been The Roses (Joan)>Jam> - Joan kept looking down for the words & still forgot them

1. It's hard to see lyrics that are on a sheet of paper on the floor (at least for me it is).
2. Warren reads most of the lyrics when he's with P&F except he (and the rest of the band) use music stands.

Sometime I think that I should have lyric sheets (and even chord charts) when I play with my band.

Jesus, imagine if we had had a the internet and discussion boards like this when Jerry was with us. I bet the Grateful Dead would have lost much of it's mysique if there was a forum for fans to bitch and complain about the "bad" shows like this.

The fact that fans forgave the "bad" shows during the Dead's career gave them the chance and confidence to experiment and take chances.

If this band reads these posts (God forbid) and hears all the critisism you can bet your ass they won't take any chances at all. They will play it safe and just give us straight forward shows.

Have some of us forgotten that Deadheads accepted the "bad" shows because they respected and appreciated the fact that the band was going out on a limb for the audience and that it wouldn't always work. But when it did work, it was so amazing and original and awe inspiring that it made up for the misques and failed experiments. That is what the Grateful DEad was all about.

If we want the band to take chances, then we have to accept the fact that some of those chances taken will not work.

I fear that the audience, not the band, has lost it's way. At least some of the audience. I'm hoping that these nay-sayers are the minority, not the majority. God I hope so.

thanks for the reviews folks....
just keep this in mind.....

they are changing things up keep it interesting for themselves. don't trip on song placement or other "changes". just listen with open ears.
btw-
yea the transition to Schoolgirl sounds forced, but it gets crankin and totally rocks.
check out Zone Radio! thank you Pzone!

Tried to post erlier but it ended up on the other holmdel NJ page. check it out. Peace

Question about setlists??? Its apparent that the setlist pre '95 were entirely driven by Mr.Garcia. Given that now the boys are all over the map with the setlists. So to me, it looks like Bobby got to pick the setlist last night and boy did it suck. Can anyone offer any insight as to who is wielding the setlist power at this point? Hope its not Bobby tonight....
Bob spit on me...

Anyone who was there last night know (even approximately) what time the boys (and girl) went on? I know the PNC and the Parkway can be a logistical nightmare, and my buddy might not get out of work until 5. I'm trying to prod him along, but a Dead show-start time would help me out. Thanks.

they started at about 7:05 and ended around 10:55

"and my buddy might not get out of work until 5"

-left work from northern NJ..livingston yesterday @ 4:30. picked up the GSP south around newark. F-N nightmare. alot of folks brokedown do to overheating. got in the lot @ 6:15 Id tell your buddy to leave @ 4. and if he is coming south to use the turnpike or 287. also, if you are coming south go down to exit 114 past the arts center. make the U-turn, and trek up back north to entrance. No line.

to the people saying that "oh well, one good show, one bad show"...

GD didn't charge $60 a ticket for those "bad" shows. you need to step up to the plate charging prices like that. hopefully, they will learn their lessons and get it right BEFORE red rocks.

thank bob for PLF in september...

Cheers to the Grape for his solid analysis above. Everybody should relaaaaxxxx when there's an off night.

Lord knows, I used to get so angry back in the 80's when the Dead would wank. But I was seeing multiple shows on any given tour and usually the following night's transendental experience would render any ill feelings moot.

It's hard to attend a show that you think sucks. But in short order they will reaffirm your faith, I promise.

Brief next day post-mortem. Somehow starting the set with drumz/space kinda' hurts the usual pacing of the second set. The lack of transition jams from one tune to the next is the unfortunate result. All in all, an interesting show. I am a Muddy Waters and Beatles fan so I enjoyed the cover selections. And I can't complain with a Help-Slip-NFA.
I am a but puzzled by the whole Joan thing - odd song choices for her lead vocals. And what's with all the front and center dancing, ball kicking, flower throwing, etc. If the boys want some eye candy up there, maybe the Donnas are avail! Speaking of Donna, the original back up vocalist, didn't she usually hang to the side of the stage when not singing, and let the focus be on the musicians?

Quote: "Jesus, imagine if we had had a the internet and discussion boards like this when Jerry was with us. I bet the Grateful Dead would have lost much of it's mysique if there was a forum for fans to bitch and complain about the "bad" shows like this.

The fact that fans forgave the "bad" shows during the Dead's career gave them the chance and confidence to experiment and take chances.

If this band reads these posts (God forbid) and hears all the critisism you can bet your ass they won't take any chances at all. They will play it safe and just give us straight forward shows."

Interesting comments from On the Bus...

However don't worry. Only a fraction of the Dead fans actually post and look at this stuff. However, if this were 1993-95, you can only imagine what would have been said.

I don't think you need to worry about the Dead not taking chances. They always have, and always will. It is part of their core...even look at this tour. They definitively are taking chances, otherwise the reactions wouldn't be so strong.

Deadheads tend to overanalyze and microdetail the band ad nauseum. I think the simple facts are they have a song catalogue of 150 or so tunes, and they are trying to cover as much ground as possible, perhaps too much ground right now. They are not the touring machine they were in prior years, so they don't really have time to get into a groove via constant playing. Perhaps that is their mistake is that they are trying to do too much with what they have got, and they need some time to work through it. It is probably no more than that...

...even the worst GD show was better than most all other bands. this band last night sounded bad for any band...like a bad lounge act or some county fair band. I could do better on Karaoke. and did anyone think the music during Mojo was Minglewood with different words?

I hope the band does read this board. Reviews of the other shows were good to mixed (meaning a mixture of people liking and not liking a show). Reviews of this one almost all bad. Its OK to suck now and then (not TOO much), but its also OK to acknowledge suckage and note why. Maybe they'll read this and stop playing ratdog tunes.

>>And what's with all the front and center dancing, ball kicking, flower throwing, etc. If the boys want some eye candy up there, maybe the Donnas are avail! Speaking of Donna, the original back up vocalist, didn't she usually hang to the side of the stage when not singing, and let the focus be on the musicians?

That is my ONLY issue with Joan, otherwise, I kinda dig her! That's all I have to say!!!

"I got off the bus when Corrina got on. "

i believe this belongs in the best board quotes thread over in other stuff.

>>>>And what's with all the front and center dancing, ball kicking, flower throwing, etc. If the boys want some eye candy up there, maybe the Donnas are avail! Speaking of Donna, the original back up vocalist, didn't she usually hang to the side of the stage when not singing, and let the focus be on the musicians?

I have no problem with Joan dancing on stage and kicking beach balls. She's having a good time and getting into the music - what would you like her to do, stand there like a statue? Her kicking the balls into the audience also put the balls back into play. How about when Bobby used to jump onto the center stage speakers in the '80's? And Mickey wavinghis drum sticks while he sings (if you can call it singing).

Anybody know when the Vernon NY show starts?

>>also, if you are coming south go down to exit 114 past the arts center. make the U-turn, and trek up back north to entrance. No line.

GOOD ADVICE.

My Vernon tix read 3:30 pm.
Don't forget that Moe. and Willie Nelson are
opening...whoo hoo!!

Thanks for the traffic tip Greg, we are going south, from bergen county, hopefully we can avoid some of the unpleasantries you encountered.

indeed.
the Corrina on the bus line was classic

I have read reviews from this page for a long while now. Some reaaly good, some really bad.
For the most part, it balances itself out. The reason I registered is so I could comment on the current state of "affairs" with The DEAD.

I was lucky enough to see the REAL DEAL 120+ times in my life. I finally caved and apprehensively went on the P&F's "trip" a few years ago just to see what was goin' down and I was blown away ! I have always loved Warren and Jimmy and NYE 2001 (1st and 3rd Sets) was one my biggest musical highlights, ever !
Now -to the point. IMHO - These guys (and Joan) are just trying too damn hard ! Who the hell is coming up with these setlists - Bob ? The GD (and most P&F) setlists use to read like books to me and made a lot of sense, but what I have seen lately is just a bunch of sloppy looking, contrived BS to please the masses !!!!
it aint working and its even looks damn awkward on paper !)

Sorry Bob fans (I use to really like his "texture" and "color" and songs w/ the GD), but there should be NO RATDOG material, no Bob scat/rap crap (that throws everyone off -"never ,never, never, never stopped ... &
"wont you try , wont you try - just a, just a little ,little bit - hard-hard-harder"), NO rapping on Fire, NO vocals from Mickey (Let Rob sing !!)....+ much more unnecessary crap ....

If this band is truly in the spirt of the Grateful Dead, I am really worried ......
It sounds to me from this tours reviews, that Bob is ALWAYS fuckin things up (lyrically and musically) missing cues, very awkward changes, Ratdog material - waaaah ?- Joan sings well, but has NO idea "what" she is singing, Bob dissin' Steve WINWOOD on his B3 solo -?, Mickey has ruined "Fire" for the rest of my days .... Shit - might as well bring back "Wave to the Wind" !

I have been trying haaaaarrd to give them a chance (in the spirit of the good ol' Grateful Dead), but I dont like what I am hearing and IMHO-I kinda knew it was gonna be this way ...
Bob & Jeff - Go back to Ratdog
Mickey - Go back to Bembe Orisha
Billy - likewise - Trichromes

FOR THE LOVE OF GOD - BRING BACK WARREN AND MOLO -LET THE "REAL" GOOD TIMES ROLL AGAIN BECAUSE P&F'S is the closest I have ever come to being back at "the show", leaving with that shit eatin grin and "KNOWING" & "UNDERSTANDING" what just went down and all you can say is Thank God for the "Good 'Ol Grateful Dead" -
THEY CAN NEVER BE REPLACED OR REPLICATED AND THIS ARRANGEMENT-"THE DEAD" -SIMPLY DOES NOT HAVE THE MAGIC !

Thanks for listening-
Really Concerned DEADHEAD #2012

"They're not the best at what they do, they're the only ones who do what they do !"
Bill Graham

Wow, sounds like some folks ate some bad acid last night. ;*) Sounds like a mediocre show, but are they all expeceted to be the bomb?

Hope tonight may bring some smiles.

GOD BLESS BOB WEIR!!! Where's the love you Joan loving freaks? Where is the love?

I went to the show with an open mind and enjoyed myself. If you're going there expecting to hear the Grateful Dead or Phil & Friends, you'll be disappointed. The GD were a band with Jerrry Garcia in it and P&F is a band that consists of Phil, Molo, Rob, Warren and Jimmy. This is a different band and they are really good and even great at times. When I hear the Stones do Not Fade Away, I don't not enjoy it because the Dead (Grateful) did it better - I enjoy it for what it is. This band, The Dead, have their own arrangements of the songs. Yes, there were parts last night that were hard to listen to, but the same happened at a lot of GD shows. Just my take on things.

Peace

Richie

18 Years ago today I saw my first Dead Show!!!!!!! 6/25/85 Blossom Music Center! Was anyobdy else on this board in attendence?

The bus came by and I got on...

Have a Grateful Day, everybody!

>>>Somehow starting the set with drumz/space kinda' hurts the usual pacing of the second set. The lack of transition jams from one tune to the next is the unfortunate result.

How? To follow this line of reason then in the bands history (GD, TOO, tD) they did not do any transition jams after drums? I think this is apologetic crap. They laid an egg. It happens. I'm sure they will make up for it.

I hope they take bobby's learners permit away and put Phil in the Driver's seat from here on out.

...you break my spirit, you wreck my heart
You must have a licence for practicing that art...

I went to SPAC and Hartford, and thought they were amazing.. Any band can have an off night here and there.. Lets not over-criticize.. I mean, for godsakes, they're up there, and they dont give a shit about the money or pleasing you.. they're just trying some stuff out. I agree, it kinda sucked last night, and I'm sure they realized it too.. no need to bash them or make them feel worse about it.. Its funny, we're like a bunch of sports fans criticizing the athletes when they have a bad game..

"and since when did the GD not have bad nights, and lots of them? "

Spring and Summer 1990.

"I got off the bus when Corrina got on. "

Too bad. You missed some good shows.

Right on Richie!! Now your attitude makes me trust your judegement on how the show Really was. Seems those most disappointed are those who have expectations. You bring up a grate point. W/ the Dead, it's about the music we all love being brought back, interpreted in a different light. I love hearing other band cover for example, Fire because I love that tune period.

Richie, I'll look forward to more of your reviews. :*)

As far as D>S to open a set, why not?! Sheesh, it's supposed to be like the old daze? Isn't that what DSO is for, for replicating exact shows? I love the element of surprise & I'm happy they've brought back D>S & are placing it where you'd least expect it. :*)

>>>>Hartford was real bad, but please believe me that spac was magical!

ROTFLMAO.....

SPAC was largely horrendous. Too slow, not jammed enough, rough & choppy.

What's wrong with 'The Dead'?

Maybe they need to change their name back to 'The Other Ones'.

Or, get a 'setlist consultant' - I'm available......

Honestly, all they need to do to fix this band is get rid of Jeff & Joan, replace Bob, Mickey & Bill with Warren & Molo, & they'll be......

uh, P&F.

Mark ~

Wasnt on quite that early - but thanks for the reminder.... Putting on that show right now !

DAY TRIPPER ->
WEST L.A.

**BTW -Eveyone , I KNOW when "I" go see the DEAD it is not GD, P&F , WHATEVER ....

My point is that according to the reamining original members "THE DEAD" exists to carry on "the spirit of the GRATEFUL DEAD" ....
Outside of the few "moments" here and there ,
I HONESTLY dont know how they can listen to themselves right now ....
Not from what I have been hearing -
The rehearsals, Bonnaroo II, the reviews ......
They not cohesive at all, no spirited jamming and they are def, NOT "Hittin' the Note" !!!!

I still think that David Nelson and Barry Sless would be a great addition to PLQ, if Warren ends up leaving at some point.

Those two are definately GD Family members and with them PLQ (actually it would be PLS[sextet]) would be the quintisential solo band for Phil, if he wanted to rekindle the true magic of the Grateful Dead.

They would sound more like the Grateful Dead then the Dead do!

But I digress, this post is about 6-24-03, not Phil and Friends. Sorry, I couldn't help myself.

Earth to the reviewers!!! Seems like we have alot of negativity coming from the philzone here. Did everyone hear that jerry died????? There is no Grateful Dead and yet it seems like everyone is expecting jerry to pop out of the speaker somewhere in the first set. I think the boys are ripping it up
they were on fire last night. I dont remember reading the article or interview where they said they would place just like the Grateful Dead did and it would sound exactly like that. I think maybe you guys need to stay of the tour and just wait for Phil to go back on tour if you want a mach , wannabe, grateful dead experience. no need to bash me here this will be my last visit to the zone.this is the only site where the bad reviews are in staggering amounts. sure i know performance and review are hand in hand , but you are comparing
The Dead to the Grateful dead, no comparison can be made and none was trying to be achieved and i think they would laugh roaringly if they read this board.
all i can say is let the goodtimes roll, and i hope all can move on past the grateful dead and hear some new sounds from a new band. should enjoy it while you can considering there age and condition.
This maybe you final chance to even see the boys doing there thing so close mouths, open ears, and shake asses cause theres nothing left to do but smile smile smile. Jerry would tell you to learn the meaning of words from aiko aiko... translate to kiss my ass!!!

Some folks cups are half empty
Some folks cups are half full

It's easy to feel where a person is in their outlook on life when they express themselves through their writing. It's one thing to experience a mediocre show, it's another to think the sky is falling chicken little.

>>As far as D>S to open a set, why not?!

I agree - the last time my band played we started the third set with a jam in G and that melted down into a free jazz jam before I brought it back into Wish You Were Here.

Bucky -

You are one of the bigger "critics" -

What do you think ?

On nights and Off nights exist -yes, but the tour so far .... uuuuugh.

Ahhhhhhh- Spring and Summer 1990 - IMHO I cant really say that there was a "BAD" show at all !
I would trade Eugene or Deer Creek 1990 for entire tour of this arrangement !!!!!!

AND YES - They are ALL talented, they just cant make good music together ! Most of them are doing their own thing ...ex. BOB ~ !!!

>>they were on fire last night.

Now there's a review I trust.

Gabriel, we need more Zoners on the pro-side. We're outnumbered. Naysayers shouldn't represent the majority.

When it's all gone, then what?

stop harshing out the party. Never saw the GD, just PLQ but have heard the chapter on verse on GOOD shows v. BAD shows. But here is the choice - be happy for what you have or go home and listen to tapes and be happy there. For the LOVE of GOD, if you have the skill talent and love for the music (or anything for that matter) like these people do to play for us, when you are >50 then more power to you. But few among us, captains of industries and parents of children (ps - take the babies off tour, man) and farmers of the mind, are doing what we love with the same interest and intensity for more than 30 years. And who hasn't a bad day, a bad stretch, a bad shift? If it was magical all the time, what would ordinary be? Magic doesn't happen EVERY night - they are muggles.

Having said that, last night was low energy, not seamless like PLQ and did seem kind of like a Bob Show. Hoping for Shakedown tonight.

Peace and sunshine.

Actually, how about this:

The Dead:

Phil Lesh - Bass, Vocals
Billy Kreutzman - Drums, Percussion
Mickey Hart - Drums, Percussion, NO VOCALS!
Bobby Weir - Rhythm and Acoustic Guitar, Vocals (ONLY on Bobby songs!)
David Nelson - Rhythym and Acoustic Guitar, Vocals
Barry Sless -Lead, Acoustic and Pedal Steel Guitar
Jimmy Herring - Lead and Acoustic Guitar
Rob Barracco -Keyboards, Piano, VOCALS!


Now THAT would be TRULY Dead like!

I must agree with the last post. And I'm reminded af a post that made alot of sense a while back. Basically, if it's gonna be so hard for you to enjoy these shows, stay home. I've heard the bonnarroo and a couple other shows on the stream. I thought that bon. Unbroken was incredible and the China Cat teases in Viola and St. Stephen. Just wonderful stuff. Sure Fire sucks and to many poorly chosen Ratdog tunes really throw off a show. How about Odessa, Bury Me Standing. Those of you who are fortunate enough to get to see this band have a good time. I'll be working my ass off here.

Is nobody listening - I may be bashing a bit - but they are the ones who have the power to make "IT" happen - like it use to be !

That is their purpose , from their own words' ->

To carry on the "spirit of the Grateful Dead" !!!!

I am NOT expecting to hear Garcia - I am, however, expecting to hear great live music from a band with 4 of the original members ! They KNOW what sounds good and admittedly at times I have heard good "music" but everything else has suffered poorly - setlists , vocals ....

They sound like 7 individual people , not a band with the spirit and passion I know they can bring !

>>(ps - take the babies off tour,

that's BS. You can find me at next Tuesday's show w/ my 3 girls in tow along w/ a girlfriend & her daughter. That's a closed minded thing to say. What age is appropriate for sharing the music? Maybe some can't handle the responsibility, but speak for yourself.

One highlight of the VA beach show, kids right up front. Mom's dancing w/ their babys & nursing them while boogien down.

Highlight from Merriweather, Kids up front. Child on Dad's shoulders holding big smiley face balloon, the one joan kicked back into the audience. Take away kids from the scene & you take away the innocence & the meaning of Family. It's not all about YOU & YOUR enjoyment. It's about sharing the love & the music.

>>>Too slow, not jammed enough, rough & choppy.

Coming from the anti-Joan camp: What else would you expect when a band of musicians hires a performer to help carry the shows? To me, Joan is like an aftermarket hood ornament. While Joan may add to your ride's visual appearance, she certainly adds no horsepower to the engine and the end result is watered down playing. Personally, I have always loved GD music for its instrumental strength, with the singing coming in at a distant second. But that's just me.

It's a little funny to hear from those who were at this show (TD is always good on PZ Chat Tour) complain that Bobby may have improvised and added a song that wasn't on the script. How dare he? Please, don't blame Weir!!! (Joan is Phil's project.)

>When it's all gone, then what?

Find some new stuff to get into and other bands to see - which is pretty much what I'll be doing if tonight is anything like last night. I'm not looking for the old GD - I love new twists on the songbook. But an absolute lack of cohesiveness and energy (you know you're in trouble when Black Throated Wind is the second set standout two thirds of the way through) is something I don't have the time or inclination to deal with anymore. One man's opinion FWIW.

>>>>>So to me, it looks like Bobby got to pick the setlist last night and boy did it suck. Can anyone offer any insight as to who is wielding the setlist power at this point?

Check out Phil during the jams and transitions, you'll see that he will talk into his mic, which in turn is routed to each member's in ear monitor mix. He is truely driving the bus. Last night was a bobby night, but Phil was calling out The Eleven, NFA out of Slipknot, and a few others. Ive noticed so far that calling tunes using the in ear monitors, there isnt as much eye contact, thus some cues are missed......

>>What age is appropriate for sharing the music?

Nobody asked me, but...

In terms of actually attending a Dead concert, I'd say 12-14.

>>It's about sharing the love & the music.

I assume you "speak for yourself" because that's not true for everybody.

Look, I have not listened to this show yet but I think peolpe are being much to hard on this band! I have seen about 130 dead shows from 86-95 so I am aware that some nights are better then ohters. Some nights Bob\Phil tried to cover up jerry's playing....This Band is stuck in between a rock and a hard place! They are trying to find, define and make a name for themself, all "for us" thr fans!! At the same time they have Jerry on there sholders and us writing how it was with Jerry. Like the PFQ if we give them time they will make beautiful music that will keep us dancing. I guess if you wanted to hear help>slip>frank every time they play then just listen to some old shows... China Cat was not always followed by Rider in the sixties....THIS band will find its way, you just cant expect somthing to work after 30 or so shows...IT took the Grateful DEAD 30 years to make a sound that we have all grown to love...at least we can do, is write positve's for the band so they have something to build on and not bash every move they make..This group of people will make it work just give them time and support!

I would go out of my way to keep my children from ever seeing the 'Dead', P&F, any of this scene.

It's pathetic.

Key brought his daughter to the ABB a few years ago, & while he's off toking with his buds, we take a walk.....

This guy is being dragged up the hill passed out.
His kid thought the dude was dead.And, please don't tell me that's the ABB & not the Dead. If anything, behavior is worse at the Dead.

Now, the band:

>>>>Earth to the reviewers!!! Seems like we have alot of negativity coming from the philzone here. Did everyone hear that jerry died????? There is no Grateful Dead and yet it seems like everyone is expecting jerry to pop out of the speaker somewhere in the first set.

It seems a majority of the people who think of Jerry are talking about 'feeling Jerry's spirit' there & how wonderful it is, so that arguement holds no water.

>>>>> I dont remember reading the article or interview where they said they would place just like the Grateful Dead did and it would sound exactly like that.

Thank God for that, unless it's GD from 1970-1977.

>>>>> I think maybe you guys need to stay of the tour and just wait for Phil to go back on tour if you want a mach , wannabe, grateful dead experience.

That's a stupid statement.
P&F's a 'wannabe GD experience', but this band isn't?
Why?
Explain why that comment isn't as stupid as it sounds, please.....


>>>>>no need to bash me here this will be my last visit to the zone.

I've heard (and said) that before.

>>>>this is the only site where the bad reviews are in staggering amounts.

Well, on Deadnet, they censor them.

>>>> sure i know performance and review are hand in hand , but you are comparing
The Dead to the Grateful dead

No, I'm comparing 'The Dead' to 'The Other Ones' & saying it's not a pimple on the ass of last Fall's tour or NYE.

I am fed up with all you knownothing Phil fans bashing Weir and Ratdog. You are all not true Deadheads, and should get off the bus. Phil and friends is a great band, but they are no way in the league with Ratdog. All you jackasses should go someplace were you're understood,like a Mettalica concert.

Here's an imaginative setlist (I'll give U a hint, it ain't from this tour):

Set 1:
Dancin'>
In Your Eyes>
*Ramble On Rose
The Wheel>
Jack-A-Roe
Foolish Heart>
Lovelight

Set 2:
Strawberry Fields Forever>
Wharf Rat>
Box Of Rain> Jam>
NFA>
Help On The Way>
Slipknot!>
Terrapin>
Other One Jam>
Slipknot!>
Franklin's Tower

E: Built To Last

How can people be mad at Bob for playing 2 Ratdog songs, when they've done 2 PLQ songs?
Also how can people say Bob cant sing. and blame him for messing up a few lyrics, when phil's lyrics are sung as if he's Frankenstein?

Bobs the best singer up there aside from Rob, which they're not letting sing lead. so the more bob the better.
Who do you want to sing? Joan singing 20 songs?

Bucky, did anyone get back to you about the set list consultant position. I'm not sure who I was talking to, but I gave you a STELLAr reference last night. Stay near your phone today.

Thanks Bucky -

Set 'em straight -

I wonder how many who post here actually experienced the "REAL DEAL" and can reeeeaaally understand mine and others criticisms of this $$$ummer $$$ideshow .....

If they can really bring it ,THEN BRING IT !!!!

I'm still waiting ......

BTW, someone tell Bob, its not his band nor is he the leader of the band . Also tell him he needs to listen (period) and pay attention to the other 6 great musicians and they might make some music worth hearing ...

Anyone notice how Philzone.com and dead.net haven't posted the setlists from this show yet (as of 1:45pm Wednesday 6/25)? It's like they wanna forget the show ever happened, and I wouldn't be surprised if the band feels the same way. The shark-jumping moment was Joan wriggling on the monitors during one of the second set's more aimless segments.

Still, can't knock 'em for setlists, it's good to mix things up. But there's no way they were "on fire" last nite, and lousy sound didn't help(turn it up, and where's Phil?) , but I'll give 'em a break and go back...

don't get me started on Phil's take on "In your Eyes". oh man, that was just horrid.
btw-
glad I'm catching shows later in the tour.

Positive vibration if I may...yeah there have been a few bummer's, but if we weren't happy that they were still up there for us why would we be here posting?

If they were perfect every night we would have all been off the bus in the 70's; our minds would never be blown if they're were no rough spots. Give 'em some love when your out there and they'll, in time, begin to give it back. They need time; PLQ aged beautifully, but it took them some time to get it super-tight.

As Phil has said "It's the circuit that we create, all of us here together, that makes the music." I'm keeping it positive and I hope the majorities w/ me.

If the band members are reading this, Your working hard to please us I say thank you. Wouldn't want to be the person I would have become, if I hadn't discovered the music of The Grateful Dead. No matter how much negativity comes out of all these posts I know we're all here because we care about this music and how it moves us and how it's there for us through the good times and the bad as a friend would be. I'm choosing to return the favor as much as I can.

A fan until mother earth embraces my bones.

I sure as hell dont agree with The Dead doing:
1)1000 Stars - that one is strictly Warren's
2)No More Do I -havent heard a good one since P&F

That being said, NO RATDOG SONGS either .....

AND NO Phil cannot sing, but we encouraged him to for sooooooo long that now that he does everyone is complaining !

AND YES 100 / 100 would rather hear Bob sing ... Its his song selection that sucks and he NEVER listens to anyone else. He causes so many awkward moments & makes too many odd changes and no one ,I mean , no one knows WTF he is doing or where he is going more than half the time ....
He is def. a major factor holding up the progression of this band. He really thinks he is the "leader of the band" ......

John P. you said it dead-on! Well done.

Babies on tour:
Nothing close minded about me - my kids (8,11) love and listen to the Dead, wear tie-dye, make CDs, they have been to Bruce shows and I am waiting for the right time to take them to, God-willing, PLQ or the Dead. They know about sex, drugs and rock and roll and what making poor choices with anything you enjoy too much, can lead to.

But sorry - you get no squish room on this - toting 3 girls around the blacktop in 90+ weather or letting kids under 14 run around with "freedom-loving" "personal choice practicing" adults and whacked out minds, is not safe, secure or age-appropriate education in my opinion. Where to go to the bathroom? To be comfortable? To wash their hands? To pick some kid-fun thing to do? What are their choices that are left after you put them in a wagon and sell goo-balls and water all summer long? What's in it for them? When I see somebody using a bic-lighter as a toy for their beautiful toddler in a stroller - I want to smack the crap out of the parent - it ruins the whole night for me. Seeing babies right next to speaker stacks while they are on, watching little kids tote around signs for their parents - "miracle ticket please" - if that isn't prostitution.... Your miracle is walking next to you - it is three feet high and needs a safe place to be a child with other children - not a parking lot full of drunk, tripping, stoned out adults doing adult things.

Sorry - I am ready for the backlash but it really does bum my judgmental self out, TOTALLY to see it.

And yes, I have seen some really nice families out there, too who seem to balance the scene with appropriate and children - I love that and that is cool.

Don't make your kids sell your crap.

"Don't make your kids sell your crap."

Brilliant!

Right on womyn!

>>Your miracle is walking next to you - it is three feet high and needs a safe place to be a child with other children - not a parking lot full of drunk, tripping, stoned out adults doing adult things.

Sorry - I am ready for the backlash but it really does bum my judgmental self out, TOTALLY to see it.

Well said if not slightly slef righteous but don't worry there are plenty of people who agree with you. The way I look at it some people want to share verything with their kids and that's cool, it's their choice.

For me, I think there are some things in the world that are for kids, some things in the world that are for adults, and some things in the world that are for both. In my opinion, rock and roll concerts and Dead shows in particular (for the reasons you put so articulately above) are for adults.

I was critical of the SPAC and Hartford shows, but it is a live band playing live music. If you want to hear tight, clean music, that has no warts or stumblings, you should go see another band...Its baby steps all over again for these core players, time will only tell if they blossom together or as individuals.

If the players learn the tunes and let it simmer like a pot of stew without jumping ship, the possibilities are endless....

BUNCH OF FUCKING WHINERS! HOW LUCKY ARE WE TO HAVE THESE GUYS UP THERE DOING IT FOR US? I REMEMBER TIMES WHEN A SHOW ANY SHOW WOULD HAVE BEEN APPRECIATED, NOW WE HAVE ALOT TO BE GRATEFUL FOR AND EVERYONE HAS A FUCKING OPINION. GOOD BAD OR OTHERWISE I LIKE GOING TO SHOWS AND TAKE THE GOOD WITH THE BAD. YES IT WAS A BOBFEST BUT I THOUGHT HE WAS ON (SOMETIMES), BTW FOR ONE. I ENJOYED JOAN, ALOT. ROSES WAS SWEET AND TONS OF STEEL WAS EERIE, I WAS 3RD ROW IN FRONT OF ROB AND THINKING OF BRENT. (...MORE A DICK THEN A MACHINE? PHILS REACTION WAS PRICELESS) I REALLY LIKE THE NEW FACES AND THE PASSING OF THE BATON.
"THERE IS NOTHING LIKE A GRATEFUL DEAD CONCERT"
peace

>>>" THERE IS NOTHING LIKE A GRATEFUL DEAD CONCERT "

You are soooooooo right !

Cant wait to hear :

" Theres nothing like A DEAD concert "

anyone seen moe. lately? how are they playing?

Here, Here, Tim! We should be very happy we have the chance to experience this music at all. Someday, it will all be gone forever (along with us!).

>>>>this is the only site where the bad reviews are in staggering amounts.

>>>Well, on Deadnet, they censor them.

Is that true? Boo hiss.

I haven't seen this band yet but saw MANY dead shows and JGB shows. Out of over 100 dead shows, fewer that 10 actually SUCKED. There were stretches of repetetive setlists--88 (spring?) in particular--or shows where Bob kicked ass to make up for Jerry not being all there. Luckily, I missed seeing Jerry at his worst, although there were a couple tough pre-coma shows. Through it all, we never pretended that EVERY show was perfect and magical. Some were just fun and ordinary, and that's what made the special ones special, and why you kept seeing one more show.

I read these reviews, and there seem to be mostly positive reviews of previous shows and an overall sense that this show was the bad one of the bunch.

SO WHAT?

I can't believe that there are deadheads that are such nazi's that they are saying "Don't go to shows" just cause people can recognize a show that wasn't as good as a previous night. Or for thinking that this tour isn't as hot as last tour. That's just the way it is folks, and all you people who are telling folks not to speak out if they think a show wasn't that good either didn't see the real dead, forgot about what it was really like, or else just like being pushy and telling people what to do.

"Lalala....every show is PERFECT....."

You are the kind of deadheads that people make fun of and rightfully so. It wasn't like that when I was on tour, why would it be now?

I love the band and will give them the RESPECT to which they are entitled, which means I will actually listen, and I will expect them to play well, because they are fabulous musicians. To say "Well they are old and still out there trying...".....that's so patronizing, I would never ever want to read that about myself.

Sorry, but I see just as much negativity coming from the "PRO-DEAD-NO-MATTER-HOW-THEY-PLAY" faction, I'm sick of y'all telling people that they HAVE to agree with you or go home.

If you don't like these reviews, why don't Y'ALL not read them?

"THERE IS NOTHING LIKE A GRATEFUL DEAD CONCERT"


Should be WAS cause without Jerry, there won't ever be.

shouldn't that read "there WAS nothing like a greatful dead concert." ?

114 days until warfield...

Winwood clearly delivers every night, the Dead should also, every night, no excuses, they should rock out as hard and best they can, and if its gets off to a bad start, then they should light the show a fire somehow, every night. They have plenty of money and time to rest on their tour buses, so when they hit the stage, it should be full dielivery. You listening boys!!!

>>>But sorry - you get no squish room on this - toting 3 girls around the blacktop in 90+ weather

Wow, as if I need Browneyed womans approval. lol!
Leaving kids at home is the easy way out sometimes. I too find that selfish to always leave your kids behind. As a family we enjoy the experience together. We are strong enough to pull it off safely.

>>I want to smack the crap out of the parent

sounds as if you have some person issues to get over. I'm sorry you aren't strong enough to include your children. Reality hurts don't it? It's a mean & cruel world out there. I find many places to be more dangerous to a child than a Dead show, a circus for instance. How about a county fair, way more obnixious fools strolling around. What a cold heart.


>>Don't make your kids sell your crap.

funny you should mention that. My 9 yr old has designed 3 stickers w/ her original art & slogans. All her own idea. She feels the love in the music & felt the need to express it. Soon she'll be earning some extra cash. Crucify me while your at it. Noone will ever convince me of excluding children.

SAINT STEPHEN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Did they play "Bright Planet" last night???? 8}




Gotta say it: LIGHTEN'UP!

I vowed to never waste my money on another GD show after seeing a couple of stinkers over a period of a couple of years, and I didn't, and after enjoing many great show recordings from the period since, I regret it. I was too smart and hasty in my judgment. Remember, these guys are great musicians and know what they're doing. They'll improve with time.

The ABB got hammered by the armchair quarterbacks after dropping Dickey, but the band said, "we're the musicians and we know what we're doing". It turns out that they did. At one point though, things got so bad over at the "Hittin' the Note" site, that Jaimoe offered to buy back tickets. (didn't leave his address though).

sure it does seem like everyone here just bitching all the time. Well i wounder what will happen when the boys cant play anymore its not like they are 35 and are going to be around 15-20 years, so quit fuc-ing crying before you miss what we all love.
if you want to bitch go to mc crap (Mc Donalds) and drink coffee all day with the unhappy fuc_s who cry about whatever. save your bitching for real thing like our goverment.
so quit crying and have fun if you dont like bobby, mickey, billy, dont go to the show, keep your nagitive ass some where else. plus when dosent bobby mess something up (haha) just be happy we can still see anybody including PHIL, Oh ya there were some bad PQL shows ive been to (bozeman, MT) went to the next show and had a blast(denver, co).
so other then that have a nice day and enjoy life now!

I'll add to the chorus of disappointment about tuesday night at PNC. I generally couldn't give a rats ass about who sings how much as long as everyone's having a good time but ...

last night was a downer. Tweeter was awesome, SPAC had its highs and lows, but PNC was a shame. they started off fine and then ran into those two miserably slow bobby tunes. The second half of the second set tried admirably and crowd finally got into it, but it was too late. I don't recall the last time I saw so many people sitting in their seats during a show.

Also, Mickey must be stopped. This is out of control. He can't sing. He shouldn't sing.

Lastly, the security inside PNC was as oppressive as I've seen at a show in a long time. It looked like they recruited the security from some local college's state-trooper wanna-be association. Bunch of dicks. I was threatened with having my digital camera taken away from me.

Still, i found out I'll be in town for the Jones beach shows, and goddman it, I'm gonna go and I'm gonna have a grand ole freakin time.

I have some friends who take kids to SOME shows and the kids have fun and have a great time. Way different that making a kid hold your miracle sign.

On the other hand, I've gone to a Dead show and then had a family (strangers, our friends know what to expect from us!) show up and get all huffy cause we are smoking and swearing and generally acting like partying adults at a rock concert. "Excuse me, put that out/can you watch your language....we have KIDS!". Too bad, I didn't tell you to bring them into an adult situation.

The kids I know who have gone to lots of shows are really great kids, so there must be something to it.

>>>If you're going there expecting to hear the Grateful Dead or Phil & Friends, you'll be disappointed. The GD were a band with Jerrry Garcia in it and P&F is a band that consists of Phil, Molo, Rob, Warren and Jimmy.<,<<

The long and the short of it for me is that its not really about the BAND, its really about the SONGS. I mean who the F##K cares who is up there as long as there is passion and emotion behind the playing and the framework of the songs, whether they be Hunter Songs, Phil songs, Warren songs, Brent songs, or even (can't believe I'm saying this) Bob songs.
I have yet to see the new Dead, but have seem mucho PLQ and mucho mas "real" Dead and JGB, ect. It seems half the problem is this current band is disjionted and has no spark behind half these tunes. I mean think of nights at Dead show where you may have seen a powerful and wonderful Terrapin, and maybe another night where the song jumps seemed a long and uneventful journey that never was able to kick up a notch.
I hate to beat the Warren thing with a Dead stick, but this guy got PASSION for these songs, and brings everyone else up around him. Bobby? I don't know.
Maybe these guys need to revist what these songs mean, and dig back into GD folklore, maybe give Joan a lesson to. I mean if DSO can bring the passion and playing, than the original members should be able to too.
I've never been so nervous about going to a Dead show, but I gotta say that I am about going to Red Rocks......
But PLQ in September....not hesitant at all.

6-24 is the first show I experienced first hand which had enough good & bad points to muster up this kind of debate. Indeed, the past three nights made this one look weak. Yes, if this was the first show I caught on tour I would be pissed. It was a fluke that I even made it down to PNC last night. Yet, despite all the flaws, I am grateful to have spent the night w/ y'all!!!!!


>>>>>>Lastly, the security inside PNC was as oppressive as I've seen at a show in a long time

This was what really bummed me out last night. We had some Jay-Z wannabe asile nazi in everyone's face (Phil's side)......

see ya on friday

What a buncha over-opinionated blowhards.....gotta love the NJ threads. 170 and still going....notice the CA and CO threads generally top out at about 70 posts.

I feel as though I am sitting in Donahue's audience, with a buncha pissed off deadheads passionately arguing their case.

First, show the boys some love and respect for giving it "the old college try." The anger and resentment on this thread is disturbing. They are not doing this for the money...don't forget they WANT to make vital music for us, and to suggest otherwise is really harsh.

That said, they've "created" a sophisticated listener, set the bar high and Phil wouldn't want the standards anywhere but the highest. This isn't an oldies reunion tour...they've all said they want it to be fresh and hot. So to be sheerly grateful and non-judgmental is an impossible task for most heads.We aren't Parrot Heads, afterall, but people who time sets by the minute and can quote dates and set lists like scripture.

Fianlly, don't forget Phils theory... the collective consciousness of the audience plays a
role in the show....so who are the cheeseballs in the audience who have channeled their energy and transformed Weir into a showboating fool?

Hmm,
I thought I could find some reviews (differing perspectives fine), but reviews and show comments are sparten here.
This is getting to be like the world Ken Wilbur described as "tranquilized by trivia and adrift in drivel."
I don't mind differing reviews, but this thread lacks the reviews altogether.

I'm on the Zone listing to Cumberland Blues,
and it's sounding sweet! Excellent jamming happening there!!! That's the guitar work that was missing from SPAC....

Folks, this band is flawed, need to drop jeff as they don't need two keys and rob is better. also ditch joan, let rob sing jerry tunes. bob and phil both stick with thier strengths (if they have any left. its a classic example of trying to do to much and failing. as for setlists, i think its obvious weir and lesh are creating them, a mistake. the gd never had setlists, weir and garcia would decide openers and take from there. they need setlists now because of the newbys. i really cant fathom why they came up with this lineup. they always used to believe in the theory of "repeat your best performance", they have abandoned that approach. Its all over now, baby blue.....

I recently took a Buddhism class in college. It is a very interesting religion. Nonetheless it taught to enjoy the moment, in other words you can use this notion in listening to music. There are songs that are not my favorite but if I hear it live I don't use it as an excuse to go to the bathroom. I don't understand how you judge a show on the setlist without listening to it. I love the music because of the peaks and valleys within the song. Enjoy the music forget about the next song, accept limitations and cherish the strengths of this band.

How many days until Warfield?

Until then, I'm countin the days, but see y'all at red rocks.....

peace, love & understanding......BRING BACK PLQ!!

THANK YOU PHIL FOR PROOVING THE ARGUMENT
TONIGHT'S SHOW WAS RIGHT THERE!6-25 THAT IS
JUST GOT HOME...THANKS JERSEY TOOLS!!!!!

Bring back P&F's! Without Joan PLEASE! Did anybody hear Little Red Rooster from PNC the 2nd night? It was going GREAT until Joan Osborne did her verse, a verse that I never heard b-4,and in the process, ended up really fowling up that song pretty badly

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