11-03-07 Nokia Theater - New York, NY

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Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Gary (Gbh) on Monday, October 29, 2007 - 10:03 pm: Edit Post

Wheeee!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Scuba Steve (Sstrekkie) on Friday, November 02, 2007 - 09:56 am: Edit Post

anyone going to the post-show party with playin dead at bb kings


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Richard (Sunra) on Friday, November 02, 2007 - 09:00 pm: Edit Post

end of set

ACOUSTIC SET ANNOUNCED!!!!!

I am psyched. I caught one in Chicago, one in Camden and now one at NOKIA.....


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Richard (Sunra) on Friday, November 02, 2007 - 09:03 pm: Edit Post

whoops, wrong night, lol


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By t (Crazy_ted) on Friday, November 02, 2007 - 10:38 pm: Edit Post

Is it real?

Birdsong
jackie green song????
dire wolf
midnight rider
passenger
set break

fotd
jackie green song
another j.g. song
dead flowers
mama tried
set break

wharf rat with Ryan Adams
franklin's tower


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By david venturella (Davino) on Saturday, November 03, 2007 - 02:48 am: Edit Post

Bang! 11/2 was SIICCKKKK~!

onto tonight~!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Keith (Fitzman) on Saturday, November 03, 2007 - 09:23 am: Edit Post

Scofield tonight?! (fingers crossed)

Look for Eyes and Viola Lee :-)


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Tacorado (Tacorado) on Saturday, November 03, 2007 - 10:59 am: Edit Post

st.stephen
the gambler
unbroken chain
playin
eleven
cold rain


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By nyctc7 on Saturday, November 03, 2007 - 11:12 am: Edit Post

posted by Scuba Steve "anyone going to the post-show party with playin dead at bb kings"

GET INTO THIS AFTER-PARTY FOR $1.25

Go to http://www.bbkingblues.com/

Click on the Phil Lesh After-Party on the home page (under "Appearing Tonight"), then navigate to buy tickets. In the "Paperfast Promotion" Box, enter POSTLE

You will be asked to pay $1.25 for will call tickets, or $2.50 for ticketfast tickets.

See you there...........


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By nyctc7 on Saturday, November 03, 2007 - 11:18 am: Edit Post

Correction, Ticketfast will cost $1.25 plus $2.50 = $3.75


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Scuba Steve (Sstrekkie) on Saturday, November 03, 2007 - 11:38 am: Edit Post

yep, got my tixx already. thanks :-)


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Heatherlyn on Saturday, November 03, 2007 - 02:39 pm: Edit Post

Does any one know what time the music starts tonight, I know doors are at 7pm but i have to wok till seven. how much time will i have till the lights go down?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Ryan Strine on Saturday, November 03, 2007 - 03:46 pm: Edit Post

Will trey be playing tonight?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Sam Lamonoff (Sam_l) on Saturday, November 03, 2007 - 04:02 pm: Edit Post

On Thursday, first set started about 8:20-25, they played for just under an hour--then 2nd set started about 10:15, and they ended at midnight. Figure tonight's show could go a bit longer.

Scofield is the odds on choice for sit-in tonight. Friend of mine was at last night's show..and said Scofield was there, and that the amp that Adams used was set up by Scofield's peeps.

Sam L.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By ryan strine on Saturday, November 03, 2007 - 04:04 pm: Edit Post

weren't there trey sightings as well?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By rob (Aardvark) on Saturday, November 03, 2007 - 06:38 pm: Edit Post

...how about a Jack Straw opener?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Richard (Sunra) on Saturday, November 03, 2007 - 08:02 pm: Edit Post

will give another shot w this treo650, but I will say I have lost 3 massive comments which I won'r try to recreate, so more soon, I hope.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Muffin Man (Rdnzl) on Saturday, November 03, 2007 - 08:28 pm: Edit Post

They hit the stage yet?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Richard (Sunra) on Saturday, November 03, 2007 - 08:35 pm: Edit Post

good lovin'


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By mandala (Mandala) on Saturday, November 03, 2007 - 08:36 pm: Edit Post

thank you, sunra!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By spike sidel (Spikenyc) on Saturday, November 03, 2007 - 09:19 pm: Edit Post

Sooo????


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Cormac Graham (Bigriver) on Saturday, November 03, 2007 - 09:34 pm: Edit Post

not sure of the order exactly but my buddy says
pride ofcucamonga
good love
big boss man
this wheels on fire
and 2 ok jackie songs thrown in there


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By mandala (Mandala) on Saturday, November 03, 2007 - 09:35 pm: Edit Post

Richard (Sunra) on Saturday, November 03, 2007 - 08:02 pm:

will give another shot w this treo650, but I will say I have lost 3 massive comments which I won'r try to recreate, so more soon, I hope.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Muffin Man (Rdnzl) on Saturday, November 03, 2007 - 10:14 pm: Edit Post

Any updates?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By })l({ (Hayhay722) on Saturday, November 03, 2007 - 10:17 pm: Edit Post

collected from Other Stuff ...

Set 1-
Good Lovin'> Downhearted (Jackie song), Pride of Cucamonga, This Wheel's on Fire>Miss. Half Step>So Hard to Find My Way, Big Boss Man


Set 2-
Playin


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Muffin Man (Rdnzl) on Saturday, November 03, 2007 - 10:19 pm: Edit Post

thanks


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By dewbert on Saturday, November 03, 2007 - 10:36 pm: Edit Post

Wish Phil would tackle Zappa stuff like RDNZL, watermelon in easter hay, peaches, baltimore, ect...


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Cormac Graham (Bigriver) on Saturday, November 03, 2007 - 10:39 pm: Edit Post

latest update...
the Wheel


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By jsaue055 on Saturday, November 03, 2007 - 10:47 pm: Edit Post

Is Sco sittin' in?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Pete Jennings (Pete441) on Saturday, November 03, 2007 - 11:04 pm: Edit Post

No..he's wankin backstage with Trey and Fishman....


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By ds1989 on Saturday, November 03, 2007 - 11:32 pm: Edit Post

hahahaa


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Jim (Jimk) on Saturday, November 03, 2007 - 11:51 pm: Edit Post

playin
jam
jackie song
wheel
jackie song
jack straw
unbroken chain
st stephen
lovelight
donor rap


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By ds1989 on Saturday, November 03, 2007 - 11:54 pm: Edit Post

finslly broke out unbroken C.....nice looks like a nice second set....


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Gary (Gbh) on Saturday, November 03, 2007 - 11:56 pm: Edit Post

2nd time played this tour. RE: Unbroken Chain


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Jim (Jimk) on Saturday, November 03, 2007 - 11:59 pm: Edit Post

playin
jam
jackie song
wheel
jackie song
jack straw
unbroken chain
st stephen
lovelight
donor rap
casey jones

thanks annie & harry


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By mandala (Mandala) on Sunday, November 04, 2007 - 12:02 am: Edit Post

it's cool that phil digs jackie's music so much that he's giving it so much exposure...


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By johnnyg (Hamptonlove) on Sunday, November 04, 2007 - 12:02 am: Edit Post

love the song selection this evening.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By })l({ (Hayhay722) on Sunday, November 04, 2007 - 12:05 am: Edit Post

agreed. great songs! anyone know what JGe songs the ones in set 2 were by chance ...


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Richard (Sunra) on Sunday, November 04, 2007 - 12:06 am: Edit Post

sorry, nice show, jaf a few @ BxLs before hand. just cruised and relaxed.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By jon (Bigbossman) on Sunday, November 04, 2007 - 12:09 am: Edit Post

is it just me, or when larry plays his gibson les paul he's a dead ringer for ace frehley. i mean, from a distance i just see a resemblance. sure, it could be what i was smoking, i accept that. but i wonder if anybody else sees it also. i half expect him to start playing detroit rock city at times.

anyway, he's been playing some stellar music the two nights i saw him at the nokia. i'm really glad that he's on board, with or without face make-up.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By BassGreat (Leshphilling) on Sunday, November 04, 2007 - 12:24 am: Edit Post

BB Kings up next eh


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Paul (Williscat2000) on Sunday, November 04, 2007 - 01:05 am: Edit Post

best venue ever- so much smoke at the start of set 2 i could barely find the stage....


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By theresnuthinlikeagr8fldeadshow (Gr8fldad) on Sunday, November 04, 2007 - 01:19 am: Edit Post

Show overall pretty good, but really rocked from Jack Straw on. Lots of energy, almost a different band for most of the second set. Unbroken Chain smokin', same with St. Stephen and Lovelight. Casey Jones encore also kept the energy.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By pronounced "floop" (Floepiejane) on Sunday, November 04, 2007 - 01:37 am: Edit Post

1: Good Lovin' (with Bobby's "blind man" schtick!)> "listen people"> New Speedway Boogie Jam> Pride of Cucamonga, This Wheel's on Fire, Miss 1/2 Step> Jam> "hands in his pockets", Big Boss Man

2: Playin'> Jams> "before they disappear"> The Wheel> "i know she's a good girl" (like a shine on you crazy diamond knicked blues)> Jack Straw> Jam> Unbroken Chain> Jam> St. Stephen> Jam> the Eleven> Jam> Lovelight

E: Casey Jones

This is bare bones: the Chain was perfect and Stephen was sick - thank you Phil and Friends

good night


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Polarrush on Sunday, November 04, 2007 - 01:45 am: Edit Post

"I Know she's a good girl" is Loan Me a Dime, Boz Scaggs song


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Scuba Steve (Sstrekkie) on Sunday, November 04, 2007 - 03:35 am: Edit Post

must add that phil botched the lyrics to the eleven... repeatedly. he missed his cue, then tried to cover up but somehow lost the tempo. he attempted again, but failed miserably. you could tell he was majorly pissed, then told the rest of the band to go back into a jam.

despite this obvious flub, the band covered up rather nicely and salvaged the song.

id say the first set was rather pedestrian, which is par for the course with this lineup and tour.

but the second set was absolutely KILLER. nonstop aggresion from jackstraw on, and the first part wasnt so bad either.

this band has super chemistry. the segues were pretty much flawless and except for the aforementioned eleven blub, the set was stellar. great times.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By nyctc7 on Sunday, November 04, 2007 - 04:09 am: Edit Post

Posted By: "pronounced 'floop'"

"This is bare bones: the Chain was perfect and Stephen was sick - thank you Phil and Friends
good night"

DITTO.

Just back from the "Playin' Dead" after concert at B.B. King's. Thumb's up.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Mike McDonald (Drumlocust) on Sunday, November 04, 2007 - 04:50 am: Edit Post

great 2nd set. All around fun evening in a great sounding room. Was scofield really in the house??


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By MichaelT on Sunday, November 04, 2007 - 06:31 am: Edit Post

Just like to say that I was VERY impressed with the music I heard last night. As previous reviewers have indicated, the second set was one for the books. Jackie Greene was great - seems like a really good guy and he's very talented (he also looks like he's 12 which made it hard for me to take him seriously at first). This was my first show of the tour and I hope it wasn't an aberration. I've read reviews of other shows from this tour and have been surprised by how mixed they are. I'm back on Monday and if I hear anything that's half as good as I heard last night, it will be money well spent. Cheers.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By dankat on Sunday, November 04, 2007 - 08:35 am: Edit Post

Thoughts on last night. Venue is great, sound is awesome throughout, but I belive they oversold this Saturday night show. Really tight moving around and all the available seats were taken. Second set was insane, especially (as many of you have mentioned) from Jack Straw on. Unbroken Chain was flawless and St. Stephen was a jem, I saw Phil up there smiling away during St. Stephen. Was it me or did his voice sound shot during the donor rap? He did sing three out of the last four tunes. Except for my opinion that the venue was oversold, IT WAS A GREAT SHOW. See ya Monday


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By kenny kars (Spanish_jam) on Sunday, November 04, 2007 - 08:35 am: Edit Post

After a Halloween show I was not happy with ( as I thought the playing was really lack luster ) I was excited to get a chance to see the band again . With lowered expections and a need to get my Phil I was ready to Rock N Roll. The band came out and opened with A solid Good Lovin and set the pace for the first set. All the songs that followed were played well. Pride of coocamanga was a lot of Phun and the band was grinning fromn ear to ear. And again every other song through out the set was a Jackie tune. There is no doubt in my mind that Phil Loves this guy and is doing all he can to support this future super star. In fact I do not know how anyone in the audiance could not love this versatile musician. He has great charisma and talent. My only knocks in the frist set was that Larry Cambell does not play enough lead as exemplified by 1/2 step and As a set closer big boss Man, although solid, did not deliver the ripping jam as lets say a "Deal"or "Passenger" would have but none the less was a nice moment.

Set 2 comments to shortly follow.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Nepper (Nepper) on Sunday, November 04, 2007 - 08:36 am: Edit Post

I don't know about anyone else but Phil was ALL OVER that Playin'. I can't recall ever seeing him that animated before. I thought he was takin out some major aggression on them strings.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By dnem (Dnem) on Sunday, November 04, 2007 - 08:58 am: Edit Post

If you like hard-driving rockin' phil, wow, this one was for you. From Jack Staw on, a total rockin' monster. Molo, as usual, was a maniac.

Room was much fuller than Friday, and at least where we were, down on the front floor, drunker and louder, but not a disaster.

One observation - we were about 5 ft back from the rail for the Eleven. Phil had no clue about how to sing it. Does he ever really take the lead vocal on the 11? He was in no way pissed, he just charmingly shrugged and smiled and peered at his prompter and tried to catch his spot and toss in a line here or there. It was all good.

All in all, a great rock and roll Saturday night. The Ryan set was a much more emotional, special occasion for me.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Carl Krag (Tiftoo) on Sunday, November 04, 2007 - 09:56 am: Edit Post

Very enjoyable show IMO. Floor was pretty crowded, and drunk. But sound was good. Larry was great, especially rippin' during Loan me a dime. Disappointed that they missed my favorite lyric from the Eleven; 'eight-sided whispering, Halleluja hatrack'. First time seeing JG, and liked what I saw and heard. Great stage presence.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Huckleberry_Hound (Huckberry) on Sunday, November 04, 2007 - 10:05 am: Edit Post

It's nice when you THINK you remember what happened and then you log onto PZ and damnitall if everyone there doesn't kinda remember it MUCH THE SAME.

From Chain on YES
I'd actually say from that SUPER WHEEL forward...
THAT WAS PURE GOLDEN majesty. We were crowned princes during that stretch....chainstephen11lovelight. Trumpets blaring, flags unfurled.


I wanted the chain. BAD.
I might have mentioned that to one or two of you. BOY DID I GET ME SUM SUM CHAIN
move those chains!
Most rockinest rock and roll chain I may have ever heard.
Stephen AROOOO.
yup Like THAT, PHIL!
As my dear friend says -
"I'M HERE FOR YOU, BIG GUY!!!"

abso-LUTEly.

To be surrounded by good friends like that. WOW. (and boba fett. :-O)

Okay, now yes the first set left me a little flat. First sets have that tendency, this tour. Perhaps maybe in comparison only to the gargantuan second sets....but ya know, first sets are just that.

It wasn't BAD. Good lovin's a good way to start. PRIDE COOKED. Dire Wolf had all sorts of jumpin YUMMY. Half Step glided all nice. Wheel's on fire makes me happy, initially, and esp bc I love LARRY....but honestly it's not my most favorite song. Me, me, just me. And Big Boss Man was a bizarre ending...the song just STOPPED.

Lots of Jackie tonight - but, of course! I mean, right, after Ryan....and I have no problems with Jackie. His songs are solid. He's a good songwriter. But I can't groove as I do on songs I KNOW...so I listen more than dance.

But say - for a song I know and love -
like UNBROKEN CHAIN
I DANCE MY ASS OFF!

I glided down the red carpet into the Howling Vortex of Regal Beauty....

Wait till you hear the Chain...wait till you hear what Molitz lays down in the CHAIN!!! And Molo oc always Molo...the axis BOLD AS LOVE along with Meestar Phil. And the axe boys. They're MIGHT EEEEE FINE.

It was a Saturday Night, in many ways....house packed and ready to rock...jump started with a Good Lovin and ending with a Lovelight....and the cherry on top is a CASEY JONES!
Rock out, Band!

It was a real blast. Not cosmic all the time (I M H O) but when it went there it was turbo boost to the Millenium Falcon's warp speed.

Holy Unbroken, Batman!

UNBROKEN STEPHEN ELEVEN LOVELIGHT
yowwwwwwwwwwwww!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By frank (Franklinstowr) on Sunday, November 04, 2007 - 10:56 am: Edit Post

solid show all around. love seeing the interaction between the guys onstage.

this was before the show started, but did anyone see that douche bag on the rail throw down someone to the ground because he wouldn't move over for him? Total dick move and the guy was a tool for resorting to violence.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By John (Dubstar) on Sunday, November 04, 2007 - 10:57 am: Edit Post

"best venue ever"

I don't like it much. Nowhere to settle into, you spend the entire night getting jostled, etc. Feels like a casino...security was annoying where I was.

As for the sound (the room, not the band), I find it lacking, something seems off, it's clear enough and nor muddy, but doesn't have much presence, seems like it comes too direct from the stage and does not wrap around much...by this, I mean the way in which good rooms surround you with clear sound. I moved around a bit, the floor was powerful, but sooo many people talking! During Phil bombs! The crowd by the tapers was very cool, however...


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By kenny kars (Spanish_jam) on Sunday, November 04, 2007 - 11:13 am: Edit Post

You knew from the start of set 2 that the band was bringing there A game. The Playing in the Band was Excellent! Jamming through out was spacey and whimsical (sorry spell police, please do not tazer me). The jackie songs which followed were all played with great poise, effort and concentration by not only Jackie but the whole band. The wheel was sweet as pie and its placement early in set 2 was a great surprise as well. It set the stage for what was to be, for me, the turning point of the show. After a heartfelt jackie song where he displayed imense "maturity" and "poise" the band did a Jack Straw that knocked me for a loop. It truly was for me the first time the band as a whole said " Lets show them what we can do" collectively as well as individually... and show us they did! Following in Jacks footsteps was a smoking Unbroken Chain >St.Stephen>Eleven> Lovelight and it was here that the band gave us there ultimate efforts. Phil was dropping bombs left and right and Jackie demonstrated traits of what makes him a great rhythem guitarist and by that I mean the ability to take the Bull "by the horns" when given a chance. His playing was inspiring and motivating and left one wondering why he waited so long to "take off the gloves". Larry Cambell also picked up his game big time and actually for the first time played with a conviction which previous was absent. It was nice to see this from Larry because I had been wondering (and still am) if larry is the man to push this band to the next level and beyond. The jams and transitions were spot on for the most part with a minor exception to the eleven (which was Ok as it demonstrated that these guys were human and still getting to know each other). The encore was Casey jones which in my opinion was the wink link to set 2 but having said that it was better than the one they did the first night to close set I.

Am looking forward to Monday.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By dankat on Sunday, November 04, 2007 - 11:17 am: Edit Post

I have my complaints about the venue as well. Way oversold last night, moving around was difficult and me and my wife were constantly getting jostled by people (lots of drunks) just banging around. Sound on the floor was OK , woundnt call it loud by any stretch, as you say lots of people talking throughout the show, therefore couldnt be all that loud. It was clear though, and overall FUN.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By kenny kars (Spanish_jam) on Sunday, November 04, 2007 - 11:22 am: Edit Post

You are correct about the crowded venue.. They over sold and there was little room to move about.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By notapillow (Notapillow) on Sunday, November 04, 2007 - 11:29 am: Edit Post

"8 sideed wispering hallaluya hat rack"


its mot an easy tune to sing ;)


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Clover (Vtchron) on Sunday, November 04, 2007 - 11:36 am: Edit Post

The Eleven was blissful not a blunder at all, IMO. Phil singing The Eleven is a treat and the second set lastnight was phenomonal. IMO, if someone did not enjoy what went down during 2nd set last night than they may want to re-evaluate why they even attend Lesh shows.....


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Huckleberry_Hound (Huckberry) on Sunday, November 04, 2007 - 11:47 am: Edit Post

>>crowded venue.. They over sold and there was little room to move about.

and people wonder why I got in line at 5:20.

two words - well maybe actually FIVE
first two -

GENERAL
ADMISSION

next three
NEW
YORK
CITTTTTTTTY


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Grubby (Kacide) on Sunday, November 04, 2007 - 11:57 am: Edit Post

re: "but doesn't have much presence, seems like it comes too direct from the stage and does not wrap around much...by this, I mean the way in which good rooms surround you with clear sound."

I think you might have too far up front. I actually think the sound was better from the soundboard back and less precise the closer you got to the stage. This is because the stage equipment and stage monitors overlap with the PA sound.

But further back, it was only the PA sound, and that has no "wrap-around" by design.

This venue is almost designed like a studio - the ceiling and wall tiles are all baffles, echo absorders - thats why there is no "hall" sound.

I also think that the PA speakers incorporate time-delay synchronization. This means that sound is coming out of speakers throughout the hall at the precise time that the soundwaves from other speakers are reaching them.

It makes for really clean sound anywhere, but it also eliminates the resonance that creates a "wrap-around" feel of a room.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Grubby (Kacide) on Sunday, November 04, 2007 - 12:04 pm: Edit Post

MORE ON TIME-DELAY SW

In most venues, the only PA speakers are the ones up front. Your ears detect a sense of distance as you move around, as you can recognize (subconsciously) the difference in time between when sound arrives to your left ear and when it arrives in your right ear (hard to believe, but its true - our minds are that precise.

In the Nokia, however, there are PA speakers on stage, but then also three separate "rows" of additional speakers hanging from the ceiling.

The last of rows (the rows being parallel to the stage) is only about 15 seat-rows from the back of the theater.

Electric signals sent to these remote PA speakers arrive before the same sound waves from the stage get to the location of the remote PA speakers (because electricity travels at the speed of light, which is faster than the speed of sound).
The time-delay software delays the arrival of the electric signal to the remote speaker

Without time-delay synchronous software, the further back PA speakers would create phase issues with the front PA - because the sound coming out of the further back PA speakers would come out of the speakers slightly ahead of the same sound waves that are coming from the speakers at the front of the stage.

What time-delay software does is precisely delay the signal sent to the speakers further back in the venue so that the further back speakers are emitting sound waves at the EXACT same time that the sound waves from the stage speakers are arriving. The delay is different for each row of speakers. Obviously the amount of the delay must be extremely precise.

This type of technology is brand new, but is also present in a huge outdoor arena in Grant Park Chicago.

I think the Nokia has this type of delay, because without it, multiple rows of speakers would be impossible.

But what this also does is make it seem like the sound is closer than you would otherwise "process"

It makes for really great sound anywhere from any seat in the venue - I think its fantastic, frankly.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Grubby (Kacide) on Sunday, November 04, 2007 - 12:10 pm: Edit Post

ALSO - on the Eleven Lyrics

Those were not "miscues" on the lyrics.

The original arrangement of the eleven had jerry, phil, and bobby singing alternating lines, with the beginning of one line overlapping the ending of another.

It is impossible for one person to sing each line of the eleven at every beginning of the form, because there would be no time to take a breath.

What Phil did was basically follow each line with a vocal rest, where the next line would have originally been sung, they just went through the form one more time.

If you want to fault the way the eleven was sung, you could say that phil should have given the other lines to larry and jackie, but phil was not "repeatedly missing his cues"

If you dont believe me, try singing the eleven the way it appears on live dead all by yourself.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By rob (Aardvark) on Sunday, November 04, 2007 - 12:16 pm: Edit Post

the show rocked from the chain on... Phil had a tough time with the lyrics at the end of the chain but they jammed it out nicely... the eleven was really powerful and on lovelight both Larry and Phil gave it their all...

a little sleepy at times tonight (could just be me) and some endings and segues weren't totally smooth....

Molo keeps it all together and really listens to Phil...

Molitz did some great hammond work next to JG...

in any case it's the best gig in town...


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Keith (Fitzman) on Sunday, November 04, 2007 - 12:41 pm: Edit Post

I never thought that Unbroken Chain could be played with only ONE guitar.......Larry is THE MAN :-)


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Miracles Happen (Merryprankster) on Sunday, November 04, 2007 - 12:49 pm: Edit Post

molo
molo
molo

molitz (UBC!!!)

Phil laughing off the 11

Jackie bringing some soul, passion, and showmanship

LC stepping up left and right, calming laying down the most intricate string work as if it was a walk in the park.

All in all, an exhilarating evening. From UBC on, it was like a religious experience. After that song, but right before St. Stephen, I wrote the last thing I would write on my setlist last night....

"Like Christmas morning"

Last night was a gift.

more to come later. Need nutrients. mmmmm, waffles? =)


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By pronounced "floop" (Floepiejane) on Sunday, November 04, 2007 - 01:36 pm: Edit Post

My notes for those who are interested:

First:
Good Love! Jv even the blind man knows when the sun is shining
Jam> "listen people what I say">
Nice new New Speedway Boogie arrangement jam>
Pride of Cucamonga
Wheel's on Fire Lv
Mississippi Step J organ Phil vocal
Jam j electric piano>
"walks around with his hands in his pockets so hard to find my way" Killer Jackie tune! Evokes new morning feel harmonica also Scaggs 70s happy Orleans old Jazz too Clementine (two chord) change and back to close sweet! Happy people,
Molitz moves to the organ
Big Boss Man Jv

Second:
Playin' skull fuck crankin' Jackie nice vocals [this is the 4th Playin out of 6 PL&F shows for me!] missing jerry here before the>
Jam here are the Jackie Jer runs this is gonna be a killer jam Phil leading Larry swirly Jackie punchy long sustain chords crackle out of the speaker Jackie lead sweet (evokes Dickie Betts, but not happy major) Molo Phil double/triple bass>
Jam Woah Phil lead Molitz piano and Phil wild leader Larry licks smoothe Floydish blues>
"before they disappear" Jackie soak it in this is new and familiar 1980s Sweet Jane-ish break "do you remember? Wild and so free">
Jam they could do Corrina here Phil lead conductor on bass duties basso conductor-o 1 k yr shift squealin' leading up to tension squealing beat odd shift Phil scramble (an audible)>
the Wheel! rigid but there ramblin' Larry run back to harsh speaker no crackle but stark will the tapes turn out this way? very very different Wheel: piercing but sweet too and wow Jackie slide Molo: 1 and Boom>
Jam Jackie wicked lead pushin' building speed lights up on us piercing crescendo Wheel quotes forceful Larry and Phil and Molo Truckin'? Death Don't? hammer-on break Jackie moves to organ Phil counts into the mike: 123, 123 (Floyd?) Shine on You Crazy Diamond? (I heard someone behind me say it too) No!>
"I know she's a good girl understand" Jackie vocals the songs Jackie sings are highlights! It is a privilege referencing another song in a melody brings motion and emotional continuity to a composition Mr. Jones Jackie organ Molitz big piano movin' out of the song>
Jam Jackie and Phil move offstage (a huddle or tokin'?) build up Jam Phil's back>
Jack Straw! and they reach Straw Lift-off (no Phil bombs though)>
Jam "nightfall of diamonds" transition [the twinkling notes that evoke that image] Jackie back to the organ>
Unbroken Chain tight double organ and light whah peddle particle (synthy) noises in all the right places especially during the "Turkey" part this song is the narrative of an acid trip (instrumentally at least) emotion Campbell and Molitz in the spotlight on the slow theme>
No Jackie Jam build up Jackie off the organ> Phil leads No Jackie Jam is hot! transition trotting slowing>
St. Stephen!!!!! tight hot going into the second verse Phil keeps them in the jam Jackie takin' wild Garcia leads a place I've never been before during the build-up jam to go into the third verse (Allmans type build up with dueling leads last verse nuts>
Funk Jam [unreadable] Larry looks confident more Allmans feel: Whipping Post?>
The Eleven no vocal accompaniment Phil messes some lyrics groove slackens it's ok nothing damning>
Jam suspense!! What's the closer gonna be? modulation Whipping Post feel again Jackie molds it Larry smilin' never been here before either>
Lovelight Jackie killer vocal very confident the Dylan eye (the vest helps) fuckin' tribal Molitz Jackie off-time with shaker changes the groove JAM HARD!!! And they've reached Lovelight lift-off!!

Encore:
Donor Rap
Casey Jones Larry nice harmony and solo Jackie great vocals and solo Molo building the tempo nice wrap-up burlesque cadence theme close.

[I can go off to Europe a happy Americanist now]


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Annie (Antoinette) on Sunday, November 04, 2007 - 02:48 pm: Edit Post

I want to send out a big ~THANK YOU~ I had a Birthday Blast!

Thank you Steve for the roses, you were a great host and help make the evening magical. All of you peeps out there thanks for helping share my night not to mention over flowing with brews and all good kind~
It was fun hanging with all my friends ~old and new~

Thanks Phil and the Friends you sound "GREAT" loved stomping down, dancing and grooving with you once again.

Until we meet again ~
"Thank you for a real GOOD TIME"!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By mandala (Mandala) on Sunday, November 04, 2007 - 02:53 pm: Edit Post

brilliant, floop!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By paddy ladd (Paddieu) on Sunday, November 04, 2007 - 04:48 pm: Edit Post

i second that, thanks :-)


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By JohnStraw on Sunday, November 04, 2007 - 07:39 pm: Edit Post

A very solid show. First set lagged at times (but from what I hear that's par for the course on this tour), but Good Love opener was great. The second set was extremely rocking, the Playin' was highly energetic, I was afraid they would lose the energy when they went into the Jackie songs, but I thought they were very inspired. (I'm glad that others have confirmed the "Shine On" sounding jam.) From Chain on it was pure bliss. Jackie's vocals on lovelight were perfect and provided the energy for some great jamming. I agree with those who have said this P&F lineup is more rock oriented than spacey/exploratory. But one hell of a show!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By pronounced "floop" (Floepiejane) on Sunday, November 04, 2007 - 08:30 pm: Edit Post

your welcome


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Scuba Steve (Sstrekkie) on Sunday, November 04, 2007 - 08:32 pm: Edit Post

>>>>What Phil did was basically follow each line with a vocal rest, where the next line would have originally been sung, they just went through the form one more time.

even so, phil didnt manage to go through all the lines of the song by himself. i think 3 or 4 lines into it, he realized the solo arrangement wasnt working and just cut bait. the band covered nicely.

and the playin dead after party ROCKED. it was a big gig for them and they delivered in spades, rocking the house till 4 in the morning. their "jerry" plays a repliace rosebud but is a lefty so its an interesting site to behold.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By pronounced "floop" (Floepiejane) on Sunday, November 04, 2007 - 08:47 pm: Edit Post

the dead were spacey for so long in my opinion - and space will come back - I applaud the return of a great rockin' Dead. I feel like I experienced 1970 - 1972 for real. I saw the Grateful Dead last night and this group is certainly a quartet.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Grubby (Kacide) on Sunday, November 04, 2007 - 09:08 pm: Edit Post

Regarding the 11 lyrics:
GO BACK AND LISTEN to Live/Dead folks, before declaring that phil screwed up the lyrics.

I'm pretty sure that the lines that were missing were the ones that were sung by Jerry all by himself.
( for example, "Eight sided whispering hallelujah hatrack" - I never heard that line on saturday, but I'm certain that line was one that Jerry sang alone on The Eleven.)

I'll have to wait until I can hear the 11/3 tape
to confirm this, but if it turns out that the "missing lyrics" are all the ones that Jerry sang alone, what everyone here is calling a "screwup" by phil might actually be Phil's way of paying homage to his lost friend.


He has a sticker on his amp that says "I miss Jerry." I bet he thinks about Jerry every day, particularly on show days.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By dankat on Sunday, November 04, 2007 - 09:11 pm: Edit Post

Just came up with an extra tix for monday night, anybody interested (face value or close to) let me know (email address and i will write back) I will be in NYC all morn. and obviously around show time if anybody needs the ticket.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Grubby (Kacide) on Sunday, November 04, 2007 - 09:13 pm: Edit Post

Another thought also, even the version of The Eleven on Live/Dead - which is probably the definitive version for everyone - even on that version The Dead dont sing all the lyrics to the song - they cut it short.

When Jerry goes "Here we go, here we go" (which is not part of the song's lyrics), there are five or six lines of the song still to go, but they weren't sung at that show. did that make it a screwup?

Where is it written that you have to sing all the lines to make the version good? If the internet had existed in 1969, would people have been posting that jerry screwed up The Eleven that night?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Mike McDonald (Drumlocust) on Sunday, November 04, 2007 - 09:20 pm: Edit Post

Any chance he teaches this lineup the william tell bridge??????????? Just Kidding. They've got enough on their plates. They're all still relying on charts up there. It's a tough gig for anyone, especially for a kid of 26. I like Jackie as much if not more than the other singers (save barroco) phil has hired over the last 7+ years.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Scuba Steve (Sstrekkie) on Sunday, November 04, 2007 - 10:28 pm: Edit Post

grubby - i think thats a solid and well thought out explanation but by looking at phils pained and confused expression onstage, something went wrong. it was good that he laughed it off in the end though.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Sideshow Bob (Drkstrjry) on Sunday, November 04, 2007 - 10:46 pm: Edit Post

Great show - not as good as Fri but better than Wed/Thurs and any of the 1st leg shows I saw (save maybe Glens Falls). It seemed to me The Eleven was done that way on purpose (overlap verses left out/switched around). Great version and definitely glad they pulled that out. I'll sacrifice the inevitable Viola Lee on Mon/Tues for it . . .


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Jayw (Jayw) on Sunday, November 04, 2007 - 10:51 pm: Edit Post

Hey Dan,

I definitely could use that ticket. I'll be in NYC about 2 PM, and I'll be happy to meet you anywhere that's convenient for you. My cell # is (201) 264-4157 and my email is jwaldman@selectexp.com.
Thanks,
Jay


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Ed (Ed_the_head) on Monday, November 05, 2007 - 12:07 am: Edit Post

Solid Show especially the mid 2nd set on!
This is a solid band... jackie is a great vocalist but an even BETTER GUITAR PLAYER!!! He he plays with PASSION and drives this band... he should never take of that guitar; every time he does (for organ shakeray, etc. the band goes flat) and there is no need for 2 keyboard players. Campbell is a great musician, however, in the 2 shows I have seen he is very reluctant to step up and really go for it in his playing... When he does, its great, it just doesn't happen enough and that is the weak link in this band. I don't know if he's lazy, too cool, on ludes, or just not feeling it, but when you're playing for a room full of deadheads in NYC at $65 a pop you should be going for it 100% or not be there. Somebody needs to light a fire under this guy's ass!!!
One benefit of his mellow playing is it forces Phil and Molo to Phil the space, but come on.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By RichardK (Surfdead) on Monday, November 05, 2007 - 02:45 am: Edit Post

>>>>>This type of technology is brand new

Not so; Watkins Glen '73 had delay towers that worked quite well.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By B.A. (Fishtown_boy) on Monday, November 05, 2007 - 07:02 am: Edit Post

Not much more for me to add but so nice to see Phil and Friends in the city....and with such a soild effort. Jackie G. seemed more settled in than in Boston,ect. (my only bitch is he sometime just walks off stage...briefly). Molo beyond great, Particle dude is super cool and Larry C. is MVP again(to me).

Cant wait till we go back for the last four.

Phil Delivers!!!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Lou Sussler on Monday, November 05, 2007 - 09:40 am: Edit Post

"I bet he thinks about Jerry every day, particularly on show days."

Don't we all?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Starkdar (Starkdar) on Monday, November 05, 2007 - 10:22 am: Edit Post

I'm on board with Floops review above. The second set Saturday night KILLED!! Jackie was like never before that I've seen. He was spot on from the Good Lovin' on. He clearly loves singing these tunes and was soooo into the GL vocals. BBM was as strong as you could ask for. Jackie was dancing, groovin' and rocking during his rhythms during St. Stephen with a huge smile. He ripped leads many times with a screaming guitar. Talk about diggin' the vocals, he was all over the Lovelight and the Casey Jones was possibly the most powerful CJ I remember. He nailed the vocals right to the last, slow, perfectly timed and verse. His timing, phrasing and scalability fits really well and this dude can sing!! The long Unbroken Chain leads by Larry Campbell were some of the most powerful, unique, driving leads I've seen him play. He showed is diversity and talent throughout the second set on the Les Paul..... scorching long, changing leads. Can't remember what tune it was but Larry and Molitz had a wonderful back & forth lead exchange for about 3 minutes. Huge unspoken comradery.

The show began by Molo sitting down at his drum set with his arms crossed in front of his chest then looked up and let a very large plume of smoke bellow out from his lungs!! At that point, we knew Molo was going to do what he did all night --- CRUSH IT and drive that train full speed ahead!!! Then there were the bad-as shades he wore throughout the last half of the second set. Plenty of room to gig down up front on the floor with an ultra kind scene!!!

Have fun this week all!.......


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By JohnStraw on Monday, November 05, 2007 - 11:47 am: Edit Post

I kind of chuckle when I think of the thin, boyish, preppy-dressed Jackie singing the songs of the leather wearing, biker-looking, hard whisky drinking Pigpen! To see Jackie sing all those Pigpen songs and do it so well was really a treat.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By NC (Zensea) on Monday, November 05, 2007 - 12:37 pm: Edit Post

>>Campbell is a great musician, however, in the 2 shows I have seen he is very reluctant to step up and really go for it in his playing... <<
I'm seeing it as him stepping back in order to push Jackie to tear loose and step it up.
A teacher getting out of the way of the student.
At least that's the way it looked to me often, especially on the 1st.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By darkstar1989 on Monday, November 05, 2007 - 12:37 pm: Edit Post

Gary (Gbh) sorry i meant this run here at the nokia...refering to the unbroken chain...i heard it in glen falls and was wondering when it was going to pop up again.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Grubby (Kacide) on Monday, November 05, 2007 - 01:43 pm: Edit Post

Hey NC

re: "I'm seeing it as him stepping back in order to push Jackie to tear loose and step it up.
A teacher getting out of the way of the student."

Thats been my impression too, there seems to a big-brother kind of thing going - but its also 2-way, I think.

Larry is in the highly-crafted-precisely-played-sequence-of-notes style that I think the young eric clapton was king of. He is also really, really, good on the finger-picked nashville-style country lick-oriented solos.

Jackie seems more in the "express-the-melody-line, then let go" style of playing, which emphasizes emotion over technique.

I definitely feel like Larry is consciously communicating to Jackie (musically, not necessarily vocally) 'go for it man, you dont have to think of me larry as the 'lead guitarist' - just go for it.'

I've seen that "reassuring older brother, cool uncle" type of thing from Larry a few times on this tour.

but I think this is also loosening up larry some, his playing is getting better and better every show - he is clearly getting deeply emersed in the musical legacy.

I dont think he started with these tunes as deeply ingrained in his soul like they are for the rest of us - but the music's getting burned in deeper with every show - that's clear


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Todd Amodeo (Toddamo) on Monday, November 05, 2007 - 02:11 pm: Edit Post

It was like a totally different band once they played the Unbroken Chain. Friday night was just SO good from beginning to end. Saturday seemed really tame in comparison. Don't get me wrong...everything was played very well. A good timey, dancing kind of show. But nothing was really getting heavy or deep or intense. I love Larry Campbell--a musical, soulful, talented guy. But he's just not the lead guitar player for this band. Just my opinion of course, but Larry's never the guy to put the jam over the edge or take a left turn into exploratory territory. Phil's got himself a nice thing here with Jackie, Molitz and of course...Molo. Jackie seems like a more stable Ryan Adams. A young guy with a soulful voice that brings some fire to the singing of these songs. Jackie's originals sounded nice on Saturday too. So anyway...back to the review...it was all good and passable until the Unbroken and then it was intensity from there on. Oh...and one last comment...what a joy and
blessing it is to hear Phi Lesh and John Molo play together. What a beautiful relationship to see/hear for all these years now...


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By John (Dubstar) on Monday, November 05, 2007 - 09:20 pm: Edit Post

I liked the guitar of both Larry (always do) and Jackie, as well as the organ...

Definitely dig Jackie's songs and think the band works them in well, but the ones I've heard don't leave the same impact RA's do...

spent 1st set right in front of the sbd, half the 2nd on the floor, and then back to the second level near the stairs for the rest...the sound is definitely good, and I am aware of relay delays and all that (thanks for the explanation, though, details are always good), but to me, I'd rather sacrifice a bit of "perfect sound imaging" for a more natural hall reverb and wrap...I'm not talking about boomy muffled rooms, of course...

never really had sound issues with the Hammerstein, either

I'll be back thursday, so I 'll keep all of what was written above in mind...


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Eric Stratton (Eric_stratton) on Tuesday, November 06, 2007 - 02:06 pm: Edit Post

I saw Thursday and Saturday...

...def got a lot of bang for my buck.

Good work fella's.

ES