...last and hopefully not least

anyone going tonight and would like to call in the list, email me


taperrob@philzone.com

hate to post this here, but if anyone is going tonight and has an extra i could use one for my girl. can pay face and meet up before the show.

im going , no ticket yet but i'm not too worried .i can have the dude call you again TR if ya like .

I have been calling "Blues for Allah" for this show...now let's just wait and see.....

The Q 11-21-03 @ The Riv . set1:
Jam>
Shakedown Street>
Deal>
Lay Of the Sunflower>
Uncle Johns Band>
No More Do I>
Jam>
Loose Lucy

second set

mountains of the moon
slow jam that sped up at end?
Keep on growing
Unbroken Chain (awsome jam)
Comes a Time
She said, she said
The Other One
All along the watchtower
sugaree (?you can't always want and crazy fingers teases)> sugaree

E:
Tom Thumb's Blues

taper rob...so sorry I couldn't hear you AT ALL. I listed off a bunch of first set songs, but got cut off

what a stellar show!!!!

That does look like a good show..!!..

absolutely amazing, dad!!!

New to the board. Just got back from show. Twas WAY more crowded than Wed night, duh, the show tonight looks better on paper, but everyone and their muther was there. Im glad the band got their pay, but its so much funner when its not packed. Tonight was a gem though. 2cd set ecpecially. Wed night, get it for the Crazy Fingers>the 11> Cumberland.
Tonights hightlights, Shakedown>Deal, Mountains>Keep on Growing, Comes a Time, hell the whole 2cd set was gold.
Even though it was crowded, the people were cool. On the down side i saw 2 people get dragged out due to passing out? and One guy pass out but his buddies picked him up and he seemed fine. Party on.

saw some escorts out myself.

um yah, i hate when that happens. But it wouldnt be rock n roll with out it. Oh wait, is this Rock n Roll? I forget. Screw em if they cant take a joke. Alligator wouldve been nice though.

Was a great show........Warren was back among the living tonite....he was straggling last nite. Poor guy was pretty sick. He was back on top of his game tonite.

On my way into venue watched undercovers take down two dudes bigtime and cuff em. Waiting in line the paddy wagon shows up and hauls em away.

Phil and the boys open with:

Shakedown>Deal


Coincedence? I think not.
Message? I think so.

Be smart and safe out there people.


Off to bed..was long ride home. I will post reviews of both nites later on this morning during coffe after nap.

wow that looks phantastic!!

The Unbroken Chain had swirling jams like you wouldnt believe my friend.

saw drunk guy get thrown out from down left side which was the best place to be as i told u all weeks ago...this band is pure energy and effort and great...all riv shows seem to be a step up if u ask me...1 oclock flight to boston...on vacation until dec.2 and loving it...i was also right in the pot section tonight...so much better than the family section i seem to always be in when the "dead" play...sorry to start controversy but give me a fucking break if u want to compare this band to bobs or whoever...plq brings magic every time that i love and appreciate so much...phils head looked like a bobblehead when he was playing that bass lightning fast during ujb...crowd was out of hand compared to last 2 nights but its fri. and the riv. kind of spoils us with their kick ass venue every time...bottom line riv. is great and the plq is better and im going to smoke a huge joint and see u all in boston...

Was Patchwork Quilt in the 1st set??

art do u really think they played shakedown deal because of the bust u saw...cmon dude no conspiracy theory shit...in reality world i doubt very very highly that they were back stage at 745 rearranging there set list to send a message to the crowd about the scene...think of the # of shows phil has played with this nonsense before...do u think it just struck him tonight that be careful this is bad stuff happening..the dude use to drop acid in his eyes regularly...hes not following the pregame police blotter because of bad policing and fans...if u really believe that stuff, enjoy your made up world...but i agree its shitty someone got busted...what for?..anyway dont mean to be harsh but im excited from the shows and it irks me when people write crazy made up stufff because that actually does hurt the scene and outlook some. tell me am i wrong

hhhmmm, just my 2 cents worth, @ Deer Creek, 93, we were out by the back, <one> and some guy went running up the hill, durring break, the cops let the dogs loose on his Ass. The dogs mauled the poor guy. whether i say he got what he deserved or not is not the issue. The boys opened up 2cd set with Victim or the Crime. Is it just a rotation of the songs or do they know whats up? Sometimes its fun to believe the latter. And , wow, yah i did hear about the bust Art mentioned as we were walking in.

In Richmond 85 , was on the rail and Bobby was singin Spoonfull AT Garcia, and seemed angry as hell, this being before the bust and all. Scared is more like it I reckon in retrospect.

MrsP, please post more info on the gigs. Were they recovering from road flu? Seems like the Fillmore Denver was just a big Petri dish. Seems like all who went all came down with some godawful ailment.

deer creek 93 im guessing jerry wasnt thinking about the guy on the hill and the bob opener about a dope junkie..i could be wrong...but i do remember the crazy guy who did sommersalts down the lawn over and over again during setbreak.it was great..maybe it was 94 deer creek i dont remember but it was funny and everyone in the lawn was cheering.

JUST WHAT THE DOCTOR ORDERED !!!! still up ! letters all look a bit fuzzy still. the shows
not fuzzy at all though. warren got some renewed
energy, thank god, his voice adds soooo... much
to this band. his guitar playing ain't to shabby
either. one of the highlights for me was burning a HUGE fatty during watchtower and someone saying put it out, security. geez, they must have been blind, we was burning all night just fine. it
couldn't have come at a more appropriate time though, during watchtower. warren seemed to feed off this, especially when I bent down and picked up the huge twaber, dusted it off and placed it neatly back in my pocket, in front of security.
that's when warren hit his vengience sequence.
I thought his hand was gonna fall off he was stumming sooooo..... hard !!! smoking !!!!!!
warren made motion at me after the song was over
to smoke with a vengience ! fuck them pigs !!!
I can't get no relief !!!!!!
thanks a million boyz ! what a grate start to the holiday week !!!! I think I need more, any beacons out there ?

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Looks like a great setlist. Still, a lot of repeats early in the tour...lack of rehearsal, perhaps?

Warren did alot of that Fan motion strumming at the Warfield to. I thought he was playing better than I have ever seen him play.

Mountains of the Moon - Keep On Growing . . . Comes A Time.

Well, OF COURSE it's the set BEFORE the run of shows I'm gonna see . . .

OUCH!!!!

At least they did't do the Allah, as someone above suggested. I actually doubt that's in them this tour, but it would be very topical considering what's happening in the world right now . . .

lots of repeats...i dunnowhy

someone just told me warren has a cold has not been singing much?

hope he gets well soon....

Warren was singing a lot last night! If he has a cold it's just adding to his voice IMHO he sounds great!

Keep on Growing was a highlight for me. I'd loved this song since I saw the grateful dead play it

I had a great time. But all the ciggy smoke made me feel like crap, anyone else?

dullsville. nearly fell asleep during the 1st set. Shakedown was a good start but deal fell flat. Lay Of The Sunflower is boring. I came to dance and yell and have a good time and that's not what I got. UJB started off ok but peetered out. No More Do I was alright, a Phil song I do dig and wanted to hear, but seemed to lack any intensity. Loose Lucy back on track but no fire underneath it. Opening 2nd set with Mts. Of the Moon was a poor choice. I was in a section of people all complaining about the lackadasical nature of the show. They came to hoot and shake their money makers and they weren't given
many opportunities. Keep On Growing was ok but as soon as things seemed to be picking up we had to go back to noodleville. All of these meandering jams that seem to go no where! Technical proficieny is not artistry or inherently entertaining. Unbroken Chain had its moments but the jams in there just didn't do anything but fulfill the requisite amount of jamming the audience seems to expect from the band. She Said, She Said was pretty good. Played tight and it rocked, not everything has to be a 30 minute feast of oodles of noodles. The Other One lit a fire under the audience, finally! At least that was the case where I was at. I was finally enjoying myself completely,though its weird to hear Phil singing TOO. Sugaree was ok, nothing spectacular. Tom Tumb's Blues disappointed me. I love the song and I love the renditions I have of phil doing it with the dead, but maybe it was where I was standing, but he really seemed to be choking on the lyrics this time out. I was still happy to hear it. Over all, I don't know what kind of magic the other posters are talking about. I don't feel I got my money's worth what so ever. These tickets were pricey and I felt shorted. Not that the band wasn't trying, it just wasn't happening, and I'm not the only one to express disappointment last night. Things picked up in the last half of the 2nd set but I paid for a whole concert. And I don't want to hear "they had colds" excuses. If a surgeon has a cold it doesn't permit malpractice. So, there you go, flame away.

What a great show, lots of teases which I think helps connect a show. In particular I liked low spark teases throughout the show and Cant always get what you want during sugaree. Familiar oldies like Watchtower, She said, and Uncle J were treats for my Dads first show ever. Good scene, good people.
Peace and love
Jim

100% wrong Kass...that's my flame dude.

too bad for you.

hey Val , glad you decided to go .

welcome back to health Warren .

for an over capacity crowd i'd think there would be more reviews...


keep on growing... yeah

>>>>>>> I was in a section of people all complaining about the lackadasical nature of the show. They came to hoot and shake their money makers and they weren't given
many opportunities.

>>>>>>> All of these meandering jams that seem to go no where! Technical proficieny is not artistry or inherently entertaining.

Helpful advice: If you don't like jamming go see Dave Mathews or Springsteen or Creed or any number of other crowd-pleasing jackoff bands that play the same rockin' 4-min songs the same way every night. That's why I love PLQ - they play small places and peeps like you generally stay away . . . and their jams aren't just aimless NOODLING - leave that to Phish and Moe and SCI - Phil is THE MAN musically (ditto Warren, Jimmy, Molo, Rob B) and I've rarely heard any PLQ jam "go nowhere" - there are always Jazz, Classical, Avant-Garde, Blues, Bluegrass, Reggae, etc, etc, layers of intersting stuff going on - you just gotta LISTEN - and maybe be a little EDUMUCATED about music!!!. If anything, I want MORE jamming than they did at the Warfield - back to those epic '01 tours, when EVERY show exceeded 3 hours of music . . . leave the "Q" for peeps like me - they're the ONLY band we have (yeah, I do like Panic but they don't really go off on long jams that much either).

Yeah, and you were probably smoking cigs and jabbering incessantly thruout the show . . .

Oh, and spilling your beer all over the tapers . . .

well sideshow, silly me, I didn't know wanting to be entertained at a concert was out of fashion. The fact of the matter is jamming for jamming's sake is just masturbatory fetishism. It's given a veneer of depth that is not there. Why do you have to make personal attacks against me just because I didn't like the concert? You're not in the band. You're not the promoter of the concert. I think you like so many people get upset when people make a negative critique of Phil etc. because you have convinced yourself that he is infallible, that he is great. I think you need to do this to confirm you're deadheadness to yourself. Otherwise, you'd realize that you got ripped off like night. You don't want to admit you got cornholed for nearly $50 and pretend that last night smoked. Guess what, Phil isn't Christ behind a bass. He is not perfect. Last night was dull. As for talking, a lot of people were talking because there was nothing going on stage to entertain us. A guy overheard a conversation I was having with another person bored to tears. We were talking about what a out and out party Ratdog shows are and how we wish Phil had half that energy for the show. The guy that was listening in said, "bobby's about having a good time, he's a showman. You go to Phil for other things." My question is what other things? If I want a spritual hoodoo I'll see a priest. If I'm sick I go to the doctor. If I'm hungry I go to the grocier. Phil is neither of these things. He is a paid entertainer that has one job. To entertain. He is leading a rock and roll band, that's what it is, not jazz or anything else, it's a rock and roll combo that rarely rocked. I came to dance, he was there to provide the soundtrack. He and his band did not do a good job. That's it. So don't tell me I need to get more in tune with the various musical references in Phil and co's noodle fests. All I need to do is go in. I paid my ticket. If you weren't so self deluded you understand my point of view.

and another thing, do you think I'm happy I didn't have a good time or have spent so much energy expressing how disappointed I am? I bought my ticket with the intent to have a blast. That expectation was not met. In fact, it was maybe the worse dead related event I've attended. That includes some pretty rough further fest shows. I wish I was blown away. I wasn't. And who are you to say who should go to what concert? The show wasn't an exclusive thing. It's open to anybody that has the cash on hand to pick up the tix. This elitism is really lame.

Wow, It sure wasn't your fault. I completely understand your continuous attempt to explain yourself and exactly it was that you felt like you got ripped off. Oh, by the way, you might get more support for that ratdog analasys on bobzone.. you weirdo

Thank God for Phil

Phil and Friends put out the goods on the third nite of their three night run at the Riviera in Chicago. This show was the culmination of an interesting trio of shows that truely epitomized the strength of each individual member of this band and their ability to come together as a team.

Warren Haynes was back in full form for this show after seemingly suffering from what most said to be flu-like symptoms the first two nites. This was shown in full force as they band tore through a jazz riff filled exploration in the opening jam. The jam slowed down to a midtempo and the opening notes of Shakedown Street filled the air to a joyful crowd response.

Shakedown was very uptempo and quick. Phil's loping funk basslines bounced all over the mix with precision and flair. Warren and Jimmy traded licks in between verses. A nice crescendo jam peaked and fell back into the vocal "nothings shakin" chase to end the tune out. At this point the audience needn't have any doubts bout Warren's sickness affecting his vocals.

Coming out of Shakedown Street, Jimmy and Warren swirled riffs and licks as the tempo segued into a familiar blues progression led by Phil's bassline. The rendition of Deal for the evening went extremely well. Phil bobbled the second verse for a split second but caught right back on track as if it never happened. Once again...the tune ended with all members singing harmony with grace and precision. The harmony vocals of this band are only getting stronger, much to the credit of Haynes and Barraco meshing so well with Phils baritone.

After Deal....it was time for a slow Warren ballad that was so greatly missed in the nights previous show. Lay of the Sunflower put the spotlight on Haynes and his vocal prowess. It's hard to go wrong with this tune, as the story is set so perfectly to the music. This tune performed live is a testament to how fluid Jimmy Herring can be while delivering tasteful lead runs in between vocals on a song that is story based. The chord voicings that Haynes and Herring pull off are tasteful to the point of making a listener look twice to figure out if its two or one guitar player strumming. Barraco has the harmony vocals down pristinely on this one.

Heading out of Sunflower....the band kicked it into high gear..for a rowdy ripping version of Uncle Johns Band. Haynes slide playing lit the place on fire. Herring flew up and down the seven tone scale chasing warren like a madman. Phil kicked into hyper drive on this tune and beamed with smiles looking to his right and left. And Molo....sat back on the trap like the Thunder King that he is building the drum beat faster and faster to breakneck speeds.

A jam into loose lucy ended the first set. Lucy was a crowd pleaser and definitely got the house rocking. But the house was definitely moving anyways after the hyperspeed Uncle Johns.

The boys walked back onstage all smiles and waves after the setbreak, which seemed much longer then the previous night. A slow spooky jam ensumed, capped of nicely by beautiful lighting from Candace.

This time it was Phil's turn to tell a story. Mountains of the Moon was magnificently dark and brooding. The bassline seemed to be turned up a bit on this one...and Warren and Jimmy played tastefully. Warren has the uncanny ability to lead behind vocals and follow Phil's inflections. It adds intensity to the tune in a subtle and appealing way.

The jam / build up out of Mtns into Keep on growing was masterful. A formula that I noticed throughout the evening worked perfectly. Warren took a solo and built up speed, Jimmy took a solo and built up speed, Barraco lays down his solo building up speed, and Phil breaks away from the meat of the bassline and starts playing lead....until you have all of them ripping away bouncing around in the same scale...Mollo cranking away double bass pumping....and SLAM...your hear the riffs of Keep on Growing. The crowd erupted for this, as they should. It was one of the highlight jams of the evening. Keep On had the crowd moving for certain.

Unbroken chain had the boys firing on all five cylinders once again. The breakdown jam had Phil firing bass leads over and over with Jimmy and Warren circling and swirling around turning the whole stage into a whirling sonic dervish. Get the tapes for this one my friends. The Unbroken Chain jams were the best of the evening.

Haynes' vocals on Comes A Time would have to make Robert Hunter beam with pride. This tune definitely suits Warrens voice to a tee. And Barraco and Herring took turns on solos.

She said She said was done in the standard Phil and Friends format...and there was no doubt that Warren was making up for last nights lack of vocals.

The other one was played at breakneck speed. Phil had a few bombs in there that shook the place for sure.

Watchtower and Sugaree were icing on the cake. Sugaree had the crescendo build up jam that seemed to be split into two parts. It was as if there were two mountains being climbed. Teases of the Stones "Cant Always Get What ya Want" were played by Jimmy and repeated by Warren in a playful manner that showed both of em smiling. Barraco was a key factor in the peaks that were reached.....the more he wails on the keys, the faster molo would rip....leaving Phil, Warren, and Jimmy to riff away.

The encore gave us Phil singing his old favorite Dylan tune Tom Thumbs blues. This rendition was complete with the "I'm going back to New York City" line.

Indeed they are....after Boston, Oakdale, and PA. GET READY EAST COAST.


- Art

you phil zombies are amazing. I'm a weirdo because I like to get what I pay for. You're the one resorting to personal attacks on somebody that doesn't share you're opinion. grow up hippy!

It's not like you're phil's kid, or are you?

I AM PHIL'S KIDNEY...
HEAR ME RESORB...

>>you phil zombies are amazing. I'm a weirdo because I like to get what I pay for. You're the one resorting to personal attacks on somebody that doesn't share you're opinion. grow up hippy!

You paid for a Phil and Friends show and that's what you got - a Phil and Friends show. What you heard is what they do. To quote GC: "It would be ludicrous to think that we are new to this, we do this, this is what we do." If you were maybe expecting a show like Ratdog puts on, your ticket should have said Ratdog. It like if I complained that Bob sang every song at a Ratdog show and said I didn't get what I paid for. If the ticket said Ratdog, I got what I paid for. Come to think of it there was one Phil and Friends show (the benefit at the Beacon in 2001) that I didn't get what I paid for, I got a Bob Weir show. But other than that, every P&F show I've been at (and it must be about 60 by now or maybe more, I'll have to count) have been just what you're complaining about.

Kass,

Aaawww, just look at you, all upset. Maybe you can help out, is there a bobzone? I don't know. Do phil heads go to ratdog shows, bum out, and rush home anxiously ready to jump online to convince everyone that they were wrong about the great time they had. So what if I had a good time in Chicago, dont harsh my mello, bra. Like I said Im sure you and all your buddies on bobnet can get together and cheer phil's demise, but not me. I have never been to a phil show that wasn't worth the price of a ticket. And if it were too expensive, you should have just stayed outside and waited with the other faithful who were all let in for free by Phil's crew. Everyone got in. I like Bobby but this discussion board isn't about him, or ratdog. There are specific areas that you might have better luck bashing the quintet in. This is the philzone. Like it or leave it.

jeez, Kass, if you want someone to actually listen to your rants, go somewhere else. you had a shitty time. BFD!!!! tell someone who cares. and stop babbling on.

first of all, I posted a Phil and Friends review on a phil and friends site. I was jumped on for it not being a positive review. I mentioned Ratdog because it was part of an ancedote that supported my argument. People here jumped on the Ratdog reference, I didn't make a big deal about it. The fact is early on I saw some fairly mediocre ratdog shows and I have seen some fairly good phil shows. In the past few years Ratdog has improved greatly and have had more energy on stage then what I saw last night at the riv. I wasn't making a blanket statement about all phil shows. I was making a statement about one show. So, I'm supposed to let people attack my review. I can't reply to argue my case?

go right ahead...just don't beat a dead horse with cirular mindless rambling of how much you hated the show. it's redundant and tedious

what is it with you guys. one little mention of weir and you flip your lids. It's sick, really. You know, Phil and Bob, they're bandmates and everything. They probably don't get this upset when they hear each other's names. Do Shemp fans get this worked up when some one brings Curly's name up?

btw, taperrob, I hope I wasn't completely incoherent...sorry for calling so late!!!

So, mindless, repetitive, hero worshipping reviews are ok. but not a different opinion? Nor is supporting that opinion? Personal, mean spirited attacks on someone for stating a differing opinion is ok, and are considered eloquent musings? Gotcha. I see where you're coming from.

Cant we all get along? Some people like chocolate and others like vanilla? Don't hate on each other its counter productive.
Peace and love
Jim

Thanks Kass. But for purely selfish reasons. I saw PLQ Red Rocks and Aspen last year. Aspen, even with Mule, didn't warrent going on to the first night of Red Rocks with Weir. So I missed RatDog at RedRocks. But Macy Gray and Keb Moe were great at Aspen. And second night PLQ at the Rocks Rocked.

But the RatDog shows I saw at the Pagent and in Lawrence, Kansas this week were a conscious choice over PLQ, especially since I just saw Warfield and was amazed that first night Warfield 9/25 was as good, if not better than, RedRocks 2002.

Turns out that Denver had a hot night on 11/15 and that the Riv is getting mixed reviews. RatDog in Lawrence got mostly thumbs up from me, in the pantheon of post Jerry nostalgia acts currently touring...

But truth be told, Matt Abts has a dyslexic drumming style and I can't tell you the name of the guy in RatDog but John Molo is just doing it for me on drums in Rock n' Roll bands right now...with the exception of Richie Hayward in Little Feat, Molo is the best drummer I've seen playing these days.

>>>>>>>He is a paid entertainer that has one job. To entertain. He is leading a rock and roll band, that's what it is, not jazz or anything else, it's a rock and roll combo that rarely rocked. I came to dance, he was there to provide the soundtrack. He and his band did not do a good job. That's it.

Thing is, this show is just one night out of a run of shows. Anyone who has been to a full run of PLQ shows will tell you that each one has its own feel, its own style, and they all fit together to form the architecture of an entire run. Now, I'm not saying this is exactly deliberate, but it is what happens. On a given night you may get a total space-out, jazzy introspection, or a tear-the-house-down rocker, etc., or any combination of these. Of course all of us prefer some styles over others, but you've got to be aware that Phil has a penchant for the exploratory, experimental, atonal jam...just look at Seastones. His band is just going to have more of this influence in its sound, there's no avoiding it. Whether you are "entertained" by it is another question altogether.

You'll note that there was a lot of variation in sound from one Grateful Dead show to the next as well. Take the difference between 5/8/77 and 5/9/77 for instance. Who's to say one show is better than the other? The first one absolutely rocked, great playing, maybe the best Morning Dew ever. The next night, much more introspective, but equally well played and exquisite in its own right. Of course you can like one better, but you've got to respect both shows for what they were--excellent.

If you head into any show with expectations of what you're going to hear, any expectations, rockin', spacey, whatever, they're going to be disappointed. But, you may get something else equally as great. Just don't bash it and the band 'cause your personal wishes weren't met. They're playing for the whole crowd.

whats wrong with you guys. if kass didnt like the show thats kass' problem not yours. kass posted comments of the show and you guys attacked. only mentioned ratdog, didnt say ratdog was better than phil. i feel the same way lately so i so i dont see phil anymore. so you guys gonna get me with your words now that i posted my comments?

>>i feel the same way lately so i so i dont see phil anymore. so you guys gonna get me with your words now that i posted my comments?

Can I get I get you with your own? Much less work!

que?

going back and reading, i'd hardly say that Kass didn't have some mean-spirited comments before i or anyone else did. i don't give a shit if he mentions ratdog. i have more intelligence than that; i also have a solid capacity of interpreting music and know that not everyone is going to like the same things. still, i found no real progression to your posts, kass. so i said so...just rambling, saying the same thing in a the same way. i read papers like that from my 10th grade students and they are tedious, too.

your tone was harsh and you know it. deal with the fallout. i'm done

>>>dullsville. nearly fell asleep during the 1st set. Shakedown was a good start but deal fell flat. Lay Of The Sunflower is boring. I came to dance and yell and have a good time and that's not what I got. UJB started off ok but peetered out. No More Do I was alright, a Phil song I do dig and wanted to hear, but seemed to lack any intensity. Loose Lucy back on track but no fire underneath it. Opening 2nd set with Mts. Of the Moon was a poor choice. I was in a section of people all complaining about the lackadasical nature of the show. They came to hoot and shake their money makers and they weren't given
many opportunities. Keep On Growing was ok...

If the show was that bad, WHY THE FUCK DID YOU WASTE SPACE BEING THERE?????

sorry for you kass. just means more room for us !!!!
it was a GREAT SHOW !!!!!!!

I'm tellin you.......

This starts to PISS ME OFF. The Q is the ONE BAND LEFT that I truly get excited about, and at 4/4/02 Fillmore to 6/1/02 Berkeley to 8/31/02 Red Rocks to the most recent 3 at the Philmore, there was ALWAYS some jackoff yelling and complaining about the jams, or saying the playing was so-so, or that basically someone sucked.

WHAT THE FUCK. LEAVE THE SCENE if you don't like it. These guys jam, noodle, go WAY past any notions of form, then re-form, they experiment, they play CLASSIC OLD SCHOOL BACK-IN-THE-DAY TUNES like Mason's, Rag, MOTM, Dark Star, and they do it better than anyone else out there. There are so few righteous bands jamming like they jam, if you don't like it, leave your ticket at will-call and go see fuckin' KIMOCK.

I am SICK AND TIRED of people fucking up the scene. I got tired of the scene in 1985, and I didn't come back till 88, because I fuckin' KNEW BETTER than to be a downer. And when I came back, it was with a fresh appreciation and new love for the music and the scene.

BTW, I'm not a newbie, either-- and I'm sorry to get so pissed, but man, I travel for this band, I LOVE this f'''in band. And I am sick of people bashing them after an awesome night (as I am CERTAIN this night was).

This wasn't humble, or nice, and I'm sorry for that. But GOD DAMN, folks. HOW MANY PLAYERS WE HAVE TO LOSE BEFORE WE GET FUCKING GRATEFUL?????

if you called that a bad show kass, in the dark must be your favorite album.

James, an obvious genius like yourself, must understand I bought the tickets not knowing the show would suck.

thanks for sharing the reviews from last night . wish i was there but que sera sera , i was in a way i got a couple reviews late last night that sounded like garblegarble woohoo yay man and then the Keep On Growing was as good as the Layla Sessions . i can't wait to listen to this run .
Bring on the chowda

and guess what what folks, it's not your scene. In fact if you think these boards fairly represent the audiences that go to shows then you're mistaken. It's our scene and you guys are just one little, fetishistic corner, as I myself am. And for the guy being bashed as harsh etc. I've yet to use profanity or get nearly as viscious as you guys. I came to say I was disappointed in a product I purchased, and that's what it is, a product. It's called the music business for a reason. You guys just can't stand having some one disagree with your views. The reason there are fewer descenting views is because you people rag on any one straying from the status quo here.

kass, are you familar with lay of the sunflower ? comes a time ? keep on growing ? mountains of the moon ? tom thumb blues ? and many more gems played last night. if you really knew these songs you couldn't possibly dislike the renditions from last nite. you seem like the smartest person in the world, you should put some of that thought into reading, learning and living these songs.
remember, "if you plant ice, your gonna harvest wind". even us simple people know that. go read an oprah book !! that should satisfy your soul !!!

well, read my original review takamelody. The reason I was not happy with the show was the lackluster presentation of songs I love. Again, you try to get in a negative dig, the oprah book thing. Why? Who are you to say anything about my spritual development. Are you the Buddha, Christ? Being a devout phil head does not denote enlightment or spritual growth. If you think so, then maybe you should pick up a book or two.

On a lighter note...
I've received an email stating that illegal pictures have been found on my hard drive.

I wish someone would show them to ME

>>descenting views

Sorry, Kass...it's DESCENDING views.... I don't know where dissent comes in, but I hear it leads to harder stuff.

oh, james, you're sharp. I made a typo. I'm all screwed up.

can't we all just get along ? just ribbin'ya kass. regardless, I still think that show was right up my alley. I hate dancin'. I dance with my mind, that's what we got last night, somewhat.
it was ballad time. rock your baby to and fro, not too fast and not too slow. if you are the dancing type, maybe that wasn't your cup of tea, but it's what makes the grateful dead family what we are, a little something for everyone. all in fun kass.

>>and guess what what folks, it's not your scene. In fact if you think these boards fairly represent the audiences that go to shows then you're mistaken. It's our scene and you guys are just one little, fetishistic corner, as I myself am. And for the guy being bashed as harsh etc. I've yet to use profanity or get nearly as viscious as you guys. I came to say I was disappointed in a product I purchased, and that's what it is, a product. It's called the music business for a reason. You guys just can't stand having some one disagree with your views. The reason there are fewer descenting views is because you people rag on any one straying from the status quo here.

Oh, pishaw.
You criticize and attack criticism with your next breath.
You opined and now others weigh in on your own words.
You chastise others for what you've no stomach for yourself.

Live music can never be all that we really want it to be...unless we have realistic expectations.

It's dissenting views, einstein. and on a final note, this place makes me sick. It's every stereotype people have about deadheads going international via the net. You should be ashamed of yourselves, freaking out when somebody doesn't follow the party line. I'll leave you to what ever noodling ass muzak you dig when getting stoned. Go ahead, waste fistfuls of money on music you think you're supposed to like because it comes from a member of the dead or whatever other group of musicians you attribute mystical powers to in order to validate you lifestyle. Have fun with the circle jerk, dillholes.

Kass,
Relax.
Have a smoke.
Here.
Try some artichoke dip.

How you doin', anyway?

Welcome to your new giant family. We put the fun in dysfunction!

My two cents. Consider it a contribution to the Kass money-back-guarantee fund. Anyone else want to chip in? I think I was undercharged myself.

>>when getting stoned.

That's funny. I don't do any drugs or drink at all.

>>Go ahead, waste fistfuls of money on music you think you're supposed to like because it comes from a member of the dead or whatever other group of musicians you attribute mystical powers to in order to validate you lifestyle.

MMMMMMM....dillhole........

>>So, mindless, repetitive, hero worshipping reviews are ok.

Wow, that's a relief, then here goes....

Awesome run... by one of my short list of heroes. You got me there Kass....

Awesome run... by one of my short list of heroes. You got me there Kass....

Awesome run... by one of my short list of heroes. You got me there Kass....

i like Status Quo and The Circle Jerks . all sorts of music floats my boat .
I liked that Shakedown>Deal opened , thought it was funny considering i was on the phone with a friend in line when the sirens were howlin . i like that Lay of the Sunflower was the 3rd song letting all concerned know that the W of the Q was back in action . the setlist speaks volumes , if you know, then well you know .
encore Tom Thumb's , a friend pointed out that Phil said " I'm HEADIN ON to new york city i do believe i've had enough"

as for a poor delivery? our drivers will not exit their vehicle if your porchLIGHT is not turned ON

"BTL"

Mindless hyperbole is always a gas man, just a gas. Dig the trip...or trip the digs...choice is always yours.

And for those of you down the line, Boston, NY, other points East...

These are sick and twisted individuals...

Beware.... Run..... Hide.... Be very afraid...

>>These are sick and twisted individuals...

Could these have ANYTHING on New York and Boston's flavors of sick and twisted?

God, I love democracy at work... for a second there, I thought Grateful Dead music was just a product.

Hey Art, great review! Really good report.

"Matt Abts has a dyslexic drumming style"

JustAnother - Great description of Abts style. I recently caught the Mule in Atlanta and B-Ham and I unashamedly love the swirl Matt spins backwards around my head. Dyslexic drumming style... Kinda like Ginger Rogers being a better dancer than Fred Astaire because she had all his moves but did them backwards and in high heels.

I'm looking forward to the Q in part to compare Molo with Abts from the recent Mule shows.

Viva La Difference!!!

Dislexic Drumming... Yeah!

youre feeling really confident now, i can see, The reasons you state for your words seem so real, I'm beginning to believe you. Maybe if you act more defensive and come up with more excuses I will be sold...I was just 'this' and I only meant 'that', you sure got everything sewed up tight

>>>>>kass, are you familar with lay of the sunflower ? comes a time ? keep on growing ? mountains of the moon ? tom thumb blues ? and many more gems played last night.


'lay of the sunflower'.....'many more gems'....

That statement infers 'Lay Of The Sunflower' is a 'gem'?

Now I've heard it all......


Kass, I have NO opinion of the show or the setlist (lest the Buckybashers go nuts), but you MUSTunderstand that saying ANYTHING besides "I SAW GOD AT THE SHOW!" is conscrued as Deadhead heresy.......

And as for the "personal attack", I thought being a 'weir'do was a compliment. It's all good. Like I said, this ticket cost nothing to the many who were just let in to this show mid set1. Maybe they felt ripped off for the time they had to spend witnessing the go nowhere jams.

Bucky, PLEASE tell us what to think. I'd be lost without you.

>>>>>Bucky, PLEASE tell us what to think. I'd be lost without you.


Then lost you will be, James.
Sorry, too busy lately to waste my time.....

As for the endless debates that I've engaged in previously, I'd rather go outside & bang my head against a wall.

I'll post a review of the shows I go to if I can.

It is funny that a person cannot express discontent in this review section. Kass happens to be more of a music fan than many of you could even try to be, and a completely honest one at that. He didnt have a good time and was dissapointed with this show. At least he is willing to admit it. He is also willing to admit when a show is superb. He wasn't spilling his beer all over the tapers and falling down the stairs but actually listening to the show critiqueing it and formulating his honest opinion. So I dare to say that most of you are 100% wrong for flaming his opinion.

> can't tell you the name of the guy in RatDog

jay lane?

Kass, maybe the reason you got flamed is that you brought $$$$ into the equation. C'mon, it's rock and roll. What else ya gonna do with 40$? Buy your mother a new lampshade? 11 pairs of wool socks? Dinner for two at the Olive Garden...ooo, there's a special evening.

Speaking of not getting your money's worth.....I flew to denver from vegas for $329. There was a misunderstanding with my host.... and my traveling guest and myself were left ticketless for saturdays show, though we had friday & sunday.

Imagine the look on my face when I saw the sold out signs (1st fillmore plq sellout in 9 plq shows) and 100s of denver's disposessed with thier forefingers in the chilly night air. Humbling to be suddenly amongst the have-nots. I was sick, ill, grief stricken, upset.....NO ONE had extras. Except for .....friendly mr scalper, who pulled up to the curb in a caddy ten minutes before curtain time....just as my friends were going into the show.

Guess how much. Higher. Get to 100 then go higher. Higher. Then x 2 cause I had to bring my best friend in with me and he was, of course, tapped.

Probably the only tickets to exchange hands that entire night. What an odd feeling...to get screwed so badly and still feel sorta...good about it. I didn't know whether to hug the guy or spit on him. The scalper not my friend.

My point? I am listening to the show right now, a spliff in hand, and I just got off the phone with my best friend, Pat Finn. He's listening too. We laughed our asses off that night, all night. Danced like lanky white irishmen. Spilled whiskey on our shoes, made 100 friends....carried eachother to heaven and back again. Put a $$$$$ on those memories? Shiiiiiit, fool.

My other point...the next night I "miracled" these two sweet parking lot grundgers from Seatle that had been supplying us with goodies all weekend. I had never miracled anyone.( Actually, I had met them in LV two weeks prior at the halloween String Cheese shows) Anyway, I saw them a couple hours later in the show, dancing their asses off, and it felt really good(they were going to miss all three shows). I felt like ebeneezer scrooge at the end of his journey, I felt like I had learned some weird lesson.

I don't really have a problem with Kass not liking the show, but this statement really gets under my skin.

>>>"As for talking, a lot of people were talking because there was nothing going on stage to entertain us. A guy overheard a conversation I was having with another person bored to tears."

You were having a conversation in the middle of a performance? I could give less shit that you thought it was boring. You should have closed your mouth and open you ears or moved to the lobby. Did you ever think that you may have been holding your conversation during someone elses favorite part. Your actions were self centered and rude. I'm sure most people did not pay fifty bucks to hear your conversation.

>>You were having a conversation in the middle of a performance?

Don't you understand, if Kass doesn't like it then that means nobody likes it.

Wow there sure is a lot of controversy over Friday’s show at the Rivera. Personally our crew had an absolute blast. Great venue, the right mixes of people and wonderful music. I am grateful that every show is unique, and that is what makes it fun. Too bad we could only make one show, but it sure recharged our batteries. On the way back one of the crew (with a dazed look in his eyes) said “All of that was only 38.50?” Loosen up, enjoy the music and do something positive with the good feelings.

I'll remember, after enjoying a show, to hurry back to the review vine and wait for Bucky and Kass's opinions before deciding whether or not I enjoyed the show.

Maybe, too, I'll pick up on a couple of ugly rumors about how Phil thinks so-and-so sucks, and nothing was really going on onstage, and why don't these old farts retire. And then hopefully arrogant naysayers will think I am cool and a discriminating critic.

Well, I hope all those Orpheum goers get their money's worth tonight.

If someone flubs a chord, or Molo misses, there's going to be hell to pay on the Zone.

how long are you girls gonna piss and moan about kass not liking the show. this is a discussion board, sooner or later someones gonna have a bad review. its not the end of the world. phil is still gonna play again and hopefully youll be there having fun. you could come home and discuss what a magical and enchanting evening youve expereinced, if thats exactly what you did. the man didnt like the show, BFD. get over it...

I'm out.
I'm going to go bash Bob on the Ratdog board.

Since I first started seeing the Grateful Dead in 1973 except for Pig I've seen all incarntations of GD/Other Ones/Dead and most of the incarnations of the Side projects, Bobby with Kingfish, Ratdog, etc. Mickey's band, Billy w/the Trichromes, Garcia w/all formulations except Old and In the Way and of course the PLQ.
Several of the GD shows I saw are considered classics and blew my mind....others were always fun but not always "magical" Since seeing Phil in 2001 with his current line-up I've found that magical feeling again, and much more consistentaly than the Dead since about circa 1983 (IMOP). The biggest change I've seen is the pre-show scene and the over-analyzing of set-lists, etc. The older shows (i.e. 70's) were usually a lot more laid back in terms of venue and crowd....I don't remember the I've got to work my way to the first row game
until late seventies and eighties and I seem to remember that people listened a lot more to the music then....conversations were more for after the show or during the breaks or between songs in the first set....in my memory if someone started talking too loud during the show other heads would gently mention that and the person would become aware and quiet down....now the response seems to be I paid for a ticket and have a right to make as much noise as possible so f off. I go to the shows for the love of the music and make it a point to try NOT to even learn of the setlists of the 2 or 3 previous shows so I'll have no expectations of what might be played. And one by-product of the shows and bands has to have made some wonderful friends thru the years. All in know is I'm really looking forward to the 3 nights at the Tower......and I believe in karma....what goes around comes around....and if I can spread something positive with a smile, making small talk with the folks I'm sitting around before the show or during the break that I generally find that I have that much more of a positive experience. It's really nice with the many and varied folks in this community.

Hope everyone has a wonderful day.......Peace

>>>>>What else ya gonna do with 40$? Buy your mother a new lampshade? 11 pairs of wool socks? Dinner for two at the Olive Garden...ooo, there's a special evening.


Dinner for TWO or ticket for ONE......

UNEQUAL night out......
Two people at P&F would run you about $100 with tickets & parking/transportation, so that's not a fair equivelent arguement, is it?


Whatever.....

Looks like Kass is picking up my slack....

Have at 'em, Kass, you sound like my kinda guy....

My Kass.....

You people shouldn't bash him, you should be nice to him for simply stating his opinions.

In fact, hug him....
Kiss him....

Yeah, that's it.

Kiss my Kass*.......



*Har Har Har




*Rev Shabazz quote, 2002, all rights reserved

>>>>>>>Dinner for TWO or ticket for ONE.

The day that I choose the option of a dinner over seeing Phil and the boys is the day they can put me six feet under.

Restaurants are always gonna be around. This band wont be.

Was in Thurs and Friday...and both nites were great in their own ways. See my review above for Fridays thoughts. Havent done Thursdays review yet. Need to get on that today.

For what its worth, I think Kass might have enjoyed Thursday's show more. The jams on Friday sometimes tilted into very non-melodic, arrhythmic (sp?) territory. Not easy music to getdownwithyourbadself to. But then a lot of the Q's stuff is "hard listening".

What was fun to watch through the whole run was Phil driving the band to a thundering groove, Jimmy and Warren soaring, then Phil undermining the groove with an off-key or off-beat bass line, turning the feel in a totally different direction, then watching the rest of the band try and catch up, and before you know it, everyone's on the same page again, only in a different book....

What Phil has said many times is that he likes players who are willing to play outside themselves, and that's why he loves these guys. And it seems like when he feels the groove is too locked in, he purposely throws in a sharp corner, throwing the car on two wheels, and taking the rest of the band into a different space, outside themselves....

Glad I was able to see all three shows anyway...

Warren was clearly very sick. Especially Thursday. In the second set he had to tie his mane back cuz I think he was getting too much snot in it from wiping his nose so often. But it didn't stop him from playing several gorgeous solos.

My buddy, new to the Dead scene, but a musician, and a huge rock fan, probably didn't enjoy the spacier stuff so much either, but still said it was the best guitar playing, and best rock show he'd ever seen.

I couldn't say that cuz I'd just seen Thursday's show....

And Kas.....you got a right to your opinion just as everyone else does. Hope ya find something else that ya enjoy. Different strokes to move the world.

>>>>>>>>>>>>Dinner for TWO or ticket for ONE.

>>>>>The day that I choose the option of a dinner over seeing Phil and the boys is the day they can put me six feet under.

>>>>Restaurants are always gonna be around. This band wont be.

Agreed, Art. I can go out to eat today. Or tommorow.
The Q, I haven't seen in, uh, let's see......
Over 16 months.
I was just pointing out that it was taken a bit out of context to compare things that way.

As I haven't read the whole thing from beginning to end, I really shouldn't be jumping in to be honest. I was just skipping through this thread trying to get an idea of the take folks had on the level of play & got a little caught up in this Kass guy getting killed.......
It reminded me of......
Me.
But, I don't know enough to be defending or slamming anyone here (nor do I want to), I'm just joking around.....

Bucky's critial reviews are generally articulate, (if not a bit ignorant and completely waddled in a nostalgic reverence for pre 1970 dead) We all respect his ignorance because he knows his shit, and he hears the music well.

The people who get flamed are the ones whose reviews lack any substance other than vague and beitter negativity. We all know PLQ has their nights when the jams are less than focussed....so I'd give this guy a shot.

But.... "Keep On Growing was ok," and "Loose Lucy had no fire under it." and Mountains of the Moon was a terrible choice for the opener." c'Mon! If you don't like those three on that night, you don't like this band. And show reviews on a band site are meant to discuss the merits of a show, not the band itself!

I wouldn't take my 17 year old sister to this show. Not her thing. Nor would I go to the Britney Spears web site and say there was too much flashy dancing and not enough poetry in the lyrics or the "guitar jams" were too short.

Hey Buck,

That wasnt a slam by the way

Hope your feeling better nowadays.

Get into a show.....their kicking some good jams.

>>I'll remember, after enjoying a show, to hurry back to the review vine and wait for Bucky and Kass's opinions before deciding whether or not I enjoyed the show.

james, next time dont put your opinions up of the show if your not willing to listen to others.

better yet, we will wait for your opinion then we'll decide from there what we thought.

Ohhhhhh- Tay, Buckwheat.

I'm over it.

I'm perfectly willing to listen to others.

>>>dullsville. nearly fell asleep during the 1st set. Shakedown was a good start but deal fell flat. Lay Of The Sunflower is boring. I came to dance and yell and have a good time and that's not what I got.

THis isn't a review. This is whining.

whining! well, criticism is all subjective. I was only stating what I expected, which was not a whole lot, in order to let people know where I was coming from. I have been to a couple of phil shows that have meet those expectations, off the top of my head I recall alpine valley in 2001 as being a great, grooving, rocking and rolling show. I paid nearly $50, which I could I have used to pay any number of bills or took a date out, bought other concert tix with etc., with the expectations of having a similar time. Because I didn't enjoy the show, that doesn't invalidate your existences as phil heads, honest. You can go ahead and believe that the man is infallible and never gives a dud performance, that's your right. Ignorance is bliss. Rock on noodleheads.

James, if you did wait to read my review you would at least get an honest assesment of the show. If I honestly felt a show was great I would say so. If I thought it blew I would say so. It seems that most of the people are only capable of writing glowing reviews, no matter what happens. That's not honest. That's just throwing hossanas in a stupid kind of hero worship. Who can judge what a show was like when all you get are glowing reviews? these boards are a kind of public service for people into the dead and associated groups. You're doing everyone a disservice with your blind devotion spilling out onto the screen.

Kass..pop in 09-25-03 Warfield and give it a spin..

What do ya think of that show.??..

gr8fuldad, haven't listened to it yet, but I wouldn't rule out that it's great. In fact, I'll go into it expecting to enjoy it. I'm not some hateful prick just looking to do some phil bashing. I just did not enjoy friday's concert and felt burned.

well Kass..admin charges 50 bucks for board time here so ya got yourself a push..

j/k..to fixate on a persons negative revue seems a bit provincial IMO..

btw..call me G Dad..come into chat room tonight for orpheum setlists in real time if all goes according to plan....

All right...

I'm going to cop to something. I went way over the top here. I lost my cool. I want to formally say sorry, Kass. YOu definitely have every single right to think, and to say, a show sucked.

I got flamed because I've heard it at every single Q show I've been to. And I've yet to see a bad Q show. Maybe that makes me a total lackey, but I've been seeing the Dead since 83 and I saw a LOT of shows that have royally sucked ass.

After 95, and having to endure Furthurfest and some really suckass Fiddler's Green TOO shows, I gave up entirely. I really thought the whole scene was toast.

And then I took a chance on Phil in 02, after 6 years of nothing... and it changed my life. I could not fucking believe the music I was hearing. It was 4/4/02, a show Bucky thinks sucked To each their own.

Anyway, I went off, I went too far. Forgive me-- I do have some feelings about this band...

btw, this is my other handle.

fair 'nuff

hey kass, it looks like they're talking about some real cool shit on the ratdbob site!!!!


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anyway, I'm out. Happy shows, y'all.

I'll be back to b-p some.

> but you MUSTunderstand that saying ANYTHING besides "I SAW GOD AT THE SHOW!" is conscrued as Deadhead heresy.......

no, saying what you just did is heresy...b/c it's plain old fashioned mean-spiritedness. and with it's common appearance in your threads, you wonder why people give you sh*t about being a christian. I may agree with things you say on this board, but I don't ever see myself warming to such a hypocrite.

> You can go ahead and believe that the man is infallible and never gives a dud performance, that's your right. Ignorance is bliss. Rock on noodleheads.

actually, it's comments like that that get you flamed, kass. similarly mean-spirited, with absolutely no review/critique value: "i didn't like the show, so if you did you're a moron with no ability to know good music. mindless sheep, stupid pawns...etc." well, this mindless sheep just took a dump in your virtual backyard. watch where you step.

In all honesty, I had a great time, I don't need anyone to tell me that I am mindlessly following Phil because of that. I have an opinion too and that doesn't mean It was hero worship with no validation of how I felt. Maybe the reason people have rave reviews of Phil shows is because they actually believe it. I doubt someone would waste their time, nor do I doubt you would waste your time writing about how bad you thought it was. I just didn't see where bob weir fits into any review on this board unless he plays with Phil's band(warfield night 3).Or I guess as you say, my bliss is rooted in ignorance. I feel better admitting that you are right so I can finally sleep.

To be bluntly honest.....I could give a shit less if somebody dislikes a show that I enjoyed.

And furthermore, I could give TWO shits less if somebody enjoys Ratdog instead of Phil and Friends.

And beyound that.....I could give THREE shits less if anyone dislikes an opinion given by me or somebody else regarding a show.

The fact that this thread digressed into a battle instead of a discussion of why exactly Kas didnt like the show.....or why Mrs. P did is the true shame of the situation.

But then again.....it is the zone, and were known for our arguements...err umm....I mean discussions ;)



Because and opinion is quite simply just that. An opinion. This world would be quite the boring place if everyone agreed with everyone else.

The beauty of this music we all love is that its subjective to the person listening to it. Everybody is gonna like particular shows, bands, or songs for different reasons.

The reason I didn't like the show was just the lack of energy that I felt. Very low key feel to everything. That's why I didn't enjoy it in a nutshell. The jams didn't carry me anywhere and I was sort of left just standing there and looking around with my arms crossed, not a position that I want to be in at a show. I was pretty bummed about it and my frustration grew. I vented that frustration in my review. (this was an effort to return things to an actual discussion of the concert, and since it was my review that turned it into a pissing contest,I thought I'd make an effort to turn back the clock).

And what exactly about the jams in the show didnt move you?

Need specifics my man. Can't just piss in the wind round here...you'll end up with wet pants.

and Jeff, I never said the people at ratdog sites were any cooler or enlightened or what ever. People just jumped on an off handed mention of ratdog that I made. It was sad. It is even weirder that you got so worked up about to hunt down and copy those posts from the ratdog site. If I thought a ratdog show blew I'd got to ratdog.org or where ever and post my honest review. If a bunch of ratdog board people jumped on me like some people did here, I'd respond in a similar way. It was never, ever a bobby vs. phil thing, ever.

Art, just a sort of slow meandering to no where. There seemed to be a lack of focus or something that kept the music from engaging me. As soon as I'd get caught up in it they'd lose me. It was frustrating.

Right when you lost focus is exactly when it got good.

Mr P chiming in here. I can sorta see Kass' point.

I thought the 1st set on Friday was a bit slow, which is not to say that I didn't enjoy it. I did end up standing around for quite a bit, but I was about 20 feet in front of Warren, and really enjoyed watching the band interaction. Shakedown was good, but I didn't think great. I thought the Deal was kinda lumbering, not a big fan of Lay of the Sunflower either. UJB got it going a bit, and I thought they really picked it up for Loose Lucy - the highlight of the set if you ask me.

I thought the 2nd set absolutely kicked-ass, though! Phil's vocals on Mountains of the Moon were absolutely gorgeous, perfect! Keep on Growin may now be my favorite P&F tune. UBC - well, what can you say, it's a Phil classic, and this was a typical version (which means it was very tasty!). Comes a Time is one of my favorite slow tunes, and this version was great. Definitely not a hard rockin set so far (with the very notable exception of Keep on Growin - I've GOT to get a CD of this show soon), but exquisite nonetheless. Then, hold onto yer brains for the epic finale run. She said was rockin, and then, after teasing it over and over on Thursday, a BOMBASTIC Other One! Talk about a raging beast of a tune - they know what they have with this one, and when they finally unleashed it, it tore the place down. I'm not usually a huge fan of Watchtower, but I thought the version they busted out was really over-the-top, Warren seemed to be really enjoying himself during this tune. Sugaree was a great way to cap the 2nd set, after the previous 3 tunes it was nice so slowly rock to this one. And, I loved Tom Thumb's Blues when the Dead played it, I thought this version was okay, not great, but I didn't feel disappointed at all that it was the band's choice for an encore.

I thought Thursday was clearly the best show, start to finish. Kass, I think you would have LOVED Thursday's show (Alpine 2001 was my 1st P&F show, and Thursday had a lot of that same energy). Sorry you didn't enjoy yourself, I can see your point, although I had an absolute BLAST at both shows.

It was great to meet some more kind zoner pholks too! Chicisco, sorry I didn't get a chance to say Hi, I only left my spot on the floor once on Friday, since it was so crowded - Mrs P enjoyed meeting you! REV GREENE, what can I say? I am going to insist from now on that you are ALWAYS at my side when I am attending a Phil show! TC, it was a pleasure, you are obviously a righteous brother - people like you are one of the things that make this music community such a treasure!

That's it for my rambling post - well, except to once again thank Phil and the members of the quintet for breathing life back into this amazing body of music! THANK YOU!!!!

Oops - how could I forget to mention KOOK! Twas great to meet you too, and hope to hang agin sometime soon!

As far as the review goes, I liked the slower version of Deal, kinda reminded me of Vegas 95 version. The forest of fennario was awesome if not for just the reason that Warren didn't sing a song on thursday except for his verse in blue sky. He was obviously under the weather nights one & two and the sunflower was the indication that he was back. The uncle johns is perfunctory at this point as it is played at just about every venue. I do really enjoy the calypso style that the quintet plays this one compared to the dead (maybe they'll do a Mathilda). The no more do I was teased both of the first two nights, heavily night 2 pre song 1 set 1. This one might be my favorite of the "new" songs. Then the melt down where Phil and the boys played around in the dusty old toy box of noises. I was hoping for the Roadrunner(warren was wearing the roadrunner shirt and they had teased it night one), or New Potatoe (maybe Dew?),but we got the Loose Lucy. This was my low point of the set, although I did like the way the Q plays it like the early '73 versions with the "round and round and round" back up vocals. I'm not sure if this is how the quintet has sang this one in the past.
Set 2, we were all so exhausted from the first two nights and we all welcomed the way laid back intro to Mountains of the moon. This sounded like it could have been a Morning Dew or even Dark Star. The set 2 Keep on Growing surpassed the monster set 1 version I saw in Boston night 1 2001, forcing us up on our feet to dance. Then the titanic unbroken chain rivaled probably by only the St. Louis Fox theater set one version in 2001, in my opinion. A couple of friends claim Bethlehem, Pa '01 but they weren't in St. Louis nor was I in Pa...I've heard recordings of them both and they are both truly epic. Still, I think they both come short of this Riv version. There have been others(Vibes 02, Red Rocks 02) that come close, and the one I saw in San Fran in september 03 seemed like a warm up to the one we witnessed in Chicago. Then Comes a Time. My crew was talking about this one all week, hoping warren would bring it back. We joked about Phil giving warren a dose and saying 'take a comes a time, warren, and see me in the morning' thursday night... and after seeing the comes a time/country time long sleeve for $10 outside after night two. It was sweet that they actually played it with the full opening of heaven during the closing jam, again rivaled only by the Pine Knob '01. She said could have been a Tomorrow Never Knows, or Lucy in Sky, But it was nice to see it with Warren(instead of Joan). Then came my biggest let down of the night, not that it wasn't played as good as I have ever seen it, I just thought the intro to Watchtower was for sure going into an Eyes of the World which would have been another Phil tune and would have returned us to heaven. I guess we did reach a pinnacle once again during the sugaree, and the closing "shake it, Shake it, sugaree" refrain seemed to go on forever. I whistled and did whatever I could to curb the crowds tendancy to get the NFA clap going. Thank God it was Tom Thumbs. Another first out of 39 Phil shows.What a 3 night run!
As for my bustouts for the rest of the tour, how about: my favorite things, a Warren Standing on the Moon, remember when Phil sang Wish you were here and Get together?, I'm gonna call on Warren to dust off the Revolution. I just listened to the night one set 2 Boston Orpheum '03 off this sight, and it sounded pre-Mr. Fantasy that they were about to play my favorite things...then after it I think they played a pretty well defined Hey Jude finale jam like the grateful dead used to do it. Who knows, maybe we will get the Warren Hey Jude in NYC.

Too bad I missed ya Pphunk. It was pretty tight on the floor there. Luckily you had Mrs. working that crowd w/ no prob.

I don’t think I could even review this show in detail. It was soo packed that it was hard to concentrate on the music. Let alone the fact the show started as the venue had aloud ½ the people in. I spent most of the 1st set trying to find a reasonable spot. Finally during set break found a place on the floor in front of the stairs dodging happy dizzy people. Luckily I was one of them.

How can I complain though?

Great show! Especially since it was my 1st Phil show in well over a year.

ahhhh, and understanding sweeps across the land. my 1st "phil" concert was the halloween show with dylan at UIC pavillion in 99. A weird one. A show that seemed to be one long jam, but had a great deal of energy throughout, the jams all seemed to go somewhere and do something. It was noodling with a mission. Not the greatest show, but still kept my attention throughout. Dylan stole the show, as always, being the coolest man on earth, but phil was interesting enough to keep me coming back. I kind of miss those days of the rotating line ups. It was a good way to get introduced to new musicians and groups. It also kept the setlists fresh, with the new guys bringing in their own stuff etc. A lot of surprises from then. I knew nothing of the zen tricksters, outside of the occasional relix article or something that I probably glossed over, and kind of laughed at phil playing with them, seemed kind of small time for the gig. but, out of that we got barraco. Wouldn't mind seeing some new surprises like that emerge.

Actually Phil was playing with Little Feat members at UIC

w/ Derek Trucks instead of Kimock.

yeah, I know it was payne, barrere (?spelling) and trucks. but with barraco I was refering to the benefits of the rotating line up. I'm fully aware of the line up at that halloween show. Cuz at the time I was pissed I didn't get to see kimock, something I've yet to forgive him for, a very unprofessional move, ditching a tour while it was in progress.

ok, so here's why I liked Friday's show:

1) I personally do not require a set amount of dancing or hard-driving tunes or certain-tempo songs for the money I pay. each dollar is not rated by how sweaty I become. rather, I go to each phil show with a fresh match to be light by the boys...and no matter what they dish out it will be lit. Always a raging inferno? no. but small brush fires are also a beauty to behold. Licking flames, whether a few inches or feet high are just my bag and the PLQ is a fire. Plain and simple.

2) I wasn't able to travel to see the Dead while they were around, only hometown shows...I was a student, had little money, worked, and for a few years faced my own possible death. In turn, I approach each and every PLQ show with a sense of wonderment, gratitude, and thanks. I am, after all, going to see Phil--IMO the greatest bassist ever--and he will play some of my favorite songs ever written and performed. He's not a commodity to me. He's not something I pay money for expecting a guaranteed or even predictable product...I'll go to a restaurant like Chili's for consistency and complain when I get sh*t. I hold the PLQ experience so far above an economic transaction that any less than stellar performance is just that: less than stellar, not bad and IMO not something to complain about. I may critique a player's approach or feel a song doesn't "take off," etc., but I'm never going to complain about the experience. Others may choose to do so, but because I had to choose between trying to live another day or go see a Dead show...and I was blessed with life...any performance by Phil is an experience I will treasure.

3) I enjoyed the slow groove of the 1st set. Slow doesn't mean bad or w/o life...and they sure had a groove on in more than one song and throughout more than one jam. No noodling IMO. You know, the groove that kind has you swaying or bouncing very lightly but there's that huge grin on your face 'cuz you can hear the conversation going on between the boys. makes me think of an album title: "I ain't jammin' I'm jivin'." Well the boys were jiving, plain and simple. Phil was really strong and Jimmy's facial expressions revealed exactly what they were doing and how much fun they were having. maybe this was just one of those sets where you had to be right up front? anyway, the opening jam wasn't the best lead-in to Shakedown that I've heard, but it was no surprise when that Phil-bomb hit us...Shakedown is a standard tune in Chi-town (coinky-dink with the scene out front is all); there were some fast-paced moments per usual then Deal slowed, but the groove was still on...the tapes will prove so. LOSF was solid--it's not meant to be a rager, but it was far from a sleeper. UJB put a bounce in my step...I was at the back bar getting H20 and as soon as they kicked into the song, pretty much everyone I saw there and on my way back had a huge smile on their face and there was plenty of dancing. If the set was sucking, I sure didn't see it in the few hundred people I passed at that moment! No more was just fine for a song I have no strong emotion for either way but Loose Lucy proved the boys were primed to dole out the goods in the second set! Rockin' and jivin' which is good enough for me.

As Mr. P said, watching the boys up close helped me really feel their groove and eaves-drop on their conversation. I was a beat voyeur and I swayed gleefully with a fat smile knowing I was watching superior musicianship even if it wasn't the best PLQ set I've seen...

gratitude. that's all it is. gratitude.

2nd set commentary after I pick up my car from the dealer...

I think bringing up the cost of a ticket is important. I mean, $50, or damn near, is a bit of change for a couple of hours entertainment. I'm as glad to see phil up and playing as any one else, but that won't keep me from calling a spade a spade. I didn't like that show and part of the frustration I felt derived from the price of a ticket. By charging people to see a show the musicians are making their art a commodity. It's a product they're selling. As a consumer of the product they're putting out I felt slighted by what I got. I expected a little more, or something different, based on past experiences and that's why I purchased the ticket. I didn't get what I expected, so I complained at the one place set up to complain about this specific product. But, I know other shows from this or other related lineups will get me what I want, that's why I've been doing this for nearly 10 years. Also, I think if I can come up with a practical formula I can probably prove that I'm getting my $50 worth of enjoyment vicariously through these posts, defending myself etc.

hey kass just wondern what did you think of thurs nights show????????????

My total cost for tickets per show at the Fillmore Denver was something like 37.50, maybe it got as high as $40-- in this day, a pretty competitive price.

Having seen a few shows in the late 90s that really did suck (and thank God I was writing reviews and didn't have to pay, but God help those who did), I can't think of a group of musicians who give more than these guys.

I have to go with the gratitude statement-- I have never had such a good time at shows since the Q.

The product argument I would only add one thing to: part of the "product" includes a huge uncertainty factor, which is what makes it so exciting. I've paid fifty bucks to go skiing and had days where the conditions really sucked. I've gone to shows for free that were simply amazing, when I had no real "right" to be there! The ethos of the product, it would seem, is:

LIFE IS A CARNIVAL.

If you go into the show knowing that it could be something you don't want to pay $50 for, why go? Our approach to the music is vastly different: you have an economic attachment to the ticket price that has translated to an emotional attachment to the ticket price. I simply don't. Fine to disagree there; but...my question points out what I consider a "hole" in your argument. Namely, if you are going to feel bad about paying a set amount...and you obviously know that it is possible given that the band is human...why subject yourself to that economic and emotional let-down? really, kass, haven't you figured out I'm just looking out for your best interests

Don't twist my words...in no way am I saying, "Don't come if you don't like the goods." I am saying, "COME! Give up the attachment to the $...let go and party with the Phil peeps!" Even if it's not as good as previous shows, it still is good. Some might even say, "Magic...no matter the night!" I agree. But I've also been lucky enough to live to 35...



oh, and set 2:

Very trippy intro...lots of noodling (obviously not everyone's bag) but I thought it had lead-in and fore-play value. Jumping right in to the thick of things after a set break ain't easy. I used to be a performing musician and intermission kills the momentum a bit and there aren't usually steroid-pumped coaches giving you the emotional charge like at half-time. Getting back into the groove takes some work and these boys earn their pay IMO. Mountains was so beautiful. sure it's a slow start to a set, but they really played with it and the singing was really noticeably solid...I fully sensed that the set wasn't going to stay in the slower vein, that they were easing us in. The jam out of mountains proved my suspicions; my set notes say "jam > > > > speed" so, unless I was trying to convince myself of something that I would have not reason to convince myself of, that means they went from jivin' to JAMMIN' and then the explosive Keep on Growing. Wow, what a break out! I haven't heard this one from the Q and they do it justice. If you didn't dance to this one, you have no legs or no ears. UB Chain was standard, which is fine for me b/c I like Phil's voice so much better now than in the '80s and '90s. The musical composition is fantastic and I can appreciate it from a theoretical, as well as practical, perspective. A jam out of the Chain into Comes a Time. I thought it was going into Wharfrat, but was content with the CT. Then a long jam...one in which folks around me really started to enjoy the lights, the pace, and the company. she said was great and then, again, explosion into TOO! one of my all-time favorite PLQ treats. The teases for it from thurs bode well and the transition into watchtower was smooth. Sugaree was exactly my speed for the evening...a few teases of the Stones and crazy fingers during a jam back into Sugaree. Again, the harmonies were right on and it wasn't too slow or too fast. The encore was a song I've always enjoyed. I'd had two nights of sheer enjoyment and I didn't need a raging encore to send me out into the chilly evening for the long walk home...I had enough energy from the high points (KonG and TOO) to last me until 3:30 or 4:00 am. which it did.

And don't forget that everyone got in, whether you payed or not, Phil wanted everyone to see that show and thats why his crew was at the front door with their backstage necklaces letting anyone in free who expressed interest. I have four friends that had no money but still saw this the best night of the run(FRI)

Phil is awesome.

It's not the actual dollar amount of a ticket that bothers me, so much as the fact that the performers and their organization charge that amount, if that makes sense. If you're charging me that much you must think you're product is worth that price. I buy a ticket under the assumption that the band's estimation of their product was correct and justified the price. Friday night I felt their estimation of that night's product's worth was too high, so I vented my opinion about that. But, there have been times when I've seen one of the Grateful Dead universe of bands and have gotten more then my money's worth, which keeps me coming back. I'm probably batting a little over .500 on that score. Couldn't tell you what I thought of the other 2 nights, job type responsibilities kept me away. But, they may very well have rocked to the nth degree, hope they did.

make that well over .500

Once again, you seem to have it all figured out in your justification that you are really bothered. How about starting your own chat board to discuss how overpriced these tickets are. Or you can just get over it since you will probably not see Phil again until next year, if we are lucky, unless you are going out east! I am

The band gets paid x amount, despite ticket sales. The promoter is the one who either does really well or not.

and I can't believe this discussion is still happening 4 days later. You musta been REAL disappointed, I'm sorry but get over it.

Love the free speach around the zone,looks like the philzone's got it's own gestapo to attack anyone with an opinion differing from their's !!! Bring on the flames...............

That's speech ,by the way........

I'm all for free speech, but all right all ready

if you're so over it, why do you people comment on what I say? It must strike some kind of cord. I think I've said all I could about what diappointed me about that particular show, but the idea that music being played by people charging you to hear it is not a commodity and should not be treated as such is silly. Why do they charge people to come in? And the fact that they let people in for free does not negate the argument. They only let people in for free after it became clear that no more tickets would be sold, so make it packed. I've always been of the opinion that if you don't have a ticket go somewhere else to party. Get your finger out of the air and cough up the cash the rest of us paid. I think letting the non ticket holders in is kind of a slap in the face to the ones that paid. I could have been lazy or cheap and just huddled by a door and annoyed pedestrians, but I paid, and so did you, I assume.

thanks for the grate run "Q". !!!!!!
ya'll invited to my house next time for some
pasta, chicago style !!!

No Kass, actually it was oversold, and they still let those people in. Go ahead and get defensive again, it's fairly obvious by now.You are right and everyone else is wrong. The 3rd night was not as good as some Ratdog shows. End of discussion.

Why the hell is it cool that they let in a bunch of deadbeats into an oversold show? End of discussion? Who are you, John McLaughlin? And again, you bring up weir's band! What is the obsession? I haven't said anything about them in many posts. You're like a born-again seeing Satan in everything that happens.

Defensive?

And no one said it was 'cool', it's just the facts. I'm sorry this negates your whole arguement. I wished that I hadn't payed for a ticket, after finding out about the open door. But I sure didn't feel ripped off.

>>the philzone's got it's own gestapo

Ohh, yyyeaahhh baby!
Is it gestapo tactics to like the show and disagree with an unpopular opinion? Or is it plain old idol worship? Seems like gestapo v. gestapo to me. So we feel strongly about the music. Good deal!

By the way, I believe the band is in Wallingford, CT tonight...

This show was for the charlatans and the other non-believers. In the Immortal words of Waterhill...."PAA!!" Don't think that Warren didn't hear the things people were saying about him after Thursday's show, hurt his feelings and he came back to show that he was much more than a professional musician. He was throwing down the licks and coughing up a lung in between verses. I FUCKIN' ADMIRE YOU! It was a musical masterpiece. Whatever they gave you in that I.V....OH YEAH!!! Quite the event, little crowded, but the serious groovers & shakers had the room to boogie. Waterhill and I were dead center floor in the flux of idiots, but it was the music!!!! WE LOVE YOU PHIL!!!!!!!! PLEASE COME BACK TO KENTUCKY LIKE YOU PROMISED ON 11-10-01!!!

> Waterhill and I were dead center floor in the flux of idiots

we were pro'lly real close! so, you calling me an idiot? Huh? Huh? wanna rumble???



breath kass, breath.

bobby

Well, you should feel ripped off. If you don't get a ticket for a show that was not sold out at least two days before the performance you don't belong there. Go somewhere else. I bought my ticket that weds morning, so the people that got let in for free had ample opportunity to get one. If they can't afford to go inside they should not come. The Lesh people shouldn't encourage those leeches to glom off a scene that every one else pays for. Fuck them. I wasn't aware of them letting people in, but the riv was crowded as hell and that sure couldn't have helped. so, essentially Lesh's people decided to make their paying customers uncomfortable in favor of generating some kind of hippy dippy aura amongst the deadbeats that were on the sidewalk? Screw that.

>>If you don't get a ticket for a show that was not sold out at least two days before the performance you don't belong there. Go somewhere else.

Wow. I wonder what Bill Graham would say about that attitude.

Carlos Santana shouldn't have climbed up on the marquee the night Jimi Hendrix played in SF and begged Bill let him in because, in his words, "I didn't have any bread."

WTF does it matter if someone pays or not, if they get let in by the powers that be. Gate crashing sucks, but come on.

You sir, are letting circumstances get the best of ya. And this has been going on for days now.

If I was bill graham I would have told that hippy to get a job. Then maybe the world would have been spared the supernatural album.

There you go kass.

make sure you never come to any colorado shows. They're overcrowded, full of aimless jams, and everyone has a positive attitude.

you'd hate it.

I have heard of this utopia named colorado. It sits on top of a gum ball mountain beside a chocolate river full of gummy fish. There is no poverty because everybody has a money tree in their back yard and no one grows old because a fountain of youth supplies all of the tap water. Oh, you are indeed lucky to live in such a paradise, James.

for the record...at least 2 of 3 people i know that got in for free had cash!! they were simply standing @ the entrance w/smiles on their faces! when asked if they wanted to see the show, they obviously said yes!! they missed almost the whole 1st set. their loss. i was happy to pay 38.50 & see the whole shebang!! all that mindless noodling, spacing out, the crowd dancing. whatever.

Kass, were you born an asswipe or was it a learned trait?

Easy all, if Kass feels like he was jipped then fine, just don't waste time and effort trying to bring everyone else down with you. Get over it, it is about the music. Take a deep breath and remember everyone needs a hand at some point in their life. I just hope when you are down on your luck and need some help that you done't run into someone with your attitude.

If I was so down and out I wouldn't worry about concerts, smurfy. That's not very colorado of you, James. Hope the other hippies don't find out.

You better not come to any chicago shows, James. We're all ass wipes, talk during shows and hate phoney, poser hippies. Bite me.

I love you Kass.

Well, Chaunche, I know we've only known each other for about a week, but in that time you have made me feel something I don't think any one has made me feel before. Well, you know, I'm a man and you're, I'm assuming a woman, if not we'll get you the operation, and in this crazy, hurdy gurdy time when two people make this kind of connection it means something, damnit! What I'm trying to say, my little patchouli stain, is will you marry me? (down on one knee, with ring held up).

We can find a nice little place out in the country, where we can raise little Jerry and Phil and Sunflower. At the end of a long hard day in the hemp fields, I'll come in through the white picket fence and we'll go arm in arm to a dinner of quesadillas and burittos that you slaved over all afternoon. At night we'll smoke pot on the porch swing and try to sell beers to people walking down the sidewalk. Can't you see it? it'll be beautiful.

Enjoyed the hell out of that show. Only one I was able to make this tour, and the Comes a Time was worth the price of admission.
Would have liked a different encore, but all in all a great show. Warren is the man. He adds great power to the dragon. Next year, all three nights.

Thanks Phil.

Carry on...

No really, dude, it's all good...Peace to you and your's

. . . what am I going to tell mother? She had her heart set on you wearing her wedding dress. I wonder if the gumball machine company will give me a refund on the ring?