just to get it started ...

DARK STAR?

Dark Star would be great...I still havent gotten a Terrapin live, and they played it in the beginning of Boston, so maybe...doubt it, but I'm hoping. I'll be having a killer time nonetheless of the song selection though.

See ya'll in Mid Orchestra section D. I'll be wearing a green shirt with a line from Unbroken Chain on the back, and Phil's face on the front.

Lots of tickets still available for this .. lets Phil it up!!! http://purchase.tickets.com/buy/TicketPurchase?agency=TDC&pid=5237656

Shakedown,Lovelight,terrapin,doin that rag.

woohoooo see y'all again tonight!

Fritz - RIGHT ON!!!!

See everyone there!! Lower Orch sec b row R

mmmmm...shakedown...its due, and I dont think CT has gotten one in a while...

12 hours and we'll be about 60 minutes into the first set...I cant wait.

ST. STEPHEN...THANKS FOR "GIVING IT TO US PHIL!!!!!

Can't wait for Terrastellapin myself......

Shakedown.....

Sorry, Philly I bet.

Blue Sky is overdue, no?
Unbroken & Watchtower could be too.


I better be careful what I say is 'due', lest Taperrob admonishes me again for "not studying the setlists" enough to know what's ready in the rotation.....

Box
Brown - eyed
Cold Rain
Deal
Dire Wolf
King Solomon's
Mts of the Moon
Soulshine
St Stephen - Does ever come here and not play it
Stella Blue
US Blues

To name just a few that are due

St Stephen has been in every show going back to 7/21/01, including "The Dead" too.I

I would love a Mountains Of The Moon...I caught one at my first show in Boston 00, and Ive loved it ever since.

Hell...whatever gets played, Im gonna have a great time, its been too long since I've felt the Q.

Like the possible song selections for tonight.

I agree w/ Bucky, Shakedown in Philly but everything else is on the table ...

St. Stephen
Dire Wolf
Lovelight
Speedway
Cosmic Chuck
Till the AM Comes
Sittin' on top of the world
Unbroken Chain
Watchtower
Am Dew
Cold Rain
Dancin' in the streets

etc, etc, etc ... eight hours to get my groove on!!

Listened to 7/21/01 last night to get pumped. I have yet to expreience a show of that magnitude.

Hopefully tonight.

Who needs a ride from Providence? Leaving at 3:00-3:30 driving solo, can hook it uo there, back, or round trip, lmk

Do we hope members of the band look at this site? Because if they do, there are alot more songs that are "due". What about Black Peter(Phil), or Tears of a clown, Guitar gently weeps, Do it in the road, S.O.T.M., etc. If we are gonna list songs, lets list Get together while we're at it...like the Fox in St. Louis '01, anyone heard that yet? Don't forget the Dancin>Caution. Actually I am going to Philly after thanksgiving, so I hope they save some of those for that run...many of those songs are more desirable to me than lets say, Dark Star, which won't happen again until NYC. What about the Whisky in the Jar, Days Between, China Doll, Candyman...Lets focus people.

So Excited for this show,going to be right in front of my man Rob tonight. He's been sounding great this tour as has the entire band, this is very exciting.The dreded CT St.Stephen appears as though it could be back again. Great Tune but I really could do without it tonight. Regardless this is gonna a great time no matter what they play. See Ya all there

Extended Drum solo..and some accentuated snare riffs in St Stephen..

warning as I am sure you know..Wallingford police and community make a living off busting people in p.lot
..got busted for discreetly smoking a joint there
by undercover tie dye at last phil show there. Then of course they end up taking alot of money from you...careful

As a CT native, I second that warning-- do not mess with the Staties...

I got this feeling that this show is going to be a MONSTER-- maybe the apex of the tour.... I dunno why, it's just this wiggly intuition...

Y'all are in for a GREAT show tonight.

PLQ, Oakdale Theatre, Wallingford, CT 11/26/03

Set 1:
Jam>
Keep On Growing> Jam>
Friend Of The Devil>
Spacy Jam>
Milestones>
Liberty
Soulshine
U.S. Blues

Liberty
Soulshine
U.S. Blues

wow

shaping up good, huh?

an unusual 1st set to say the least

Set 2:
King Solomon's Marbles
Good Lovin'>
Welcome To The Underground> Jam>
Deal> Jam>
All Along The Watchtower>
Spacy Jam>
St Stephen>
Morning Dew>
Unbroken Chain>
Lovelight
Donor Rap (Phil's niece)/Intros
enc: Loose Lucy

Did Phil sing the Dew?

word has it Warren sang Dew

looks like an ass-kicker

second set looks yummmmmmmmmmmmmmmy

Bro said first set a little "candy-coated", but who am I to say? Keep on Growin allways a favorite.

Second set however, he said all meat and potatoes. Warren sang the Dew. Said it was bringing the house down, and the Lovelight was throught the rooof.

King Solomon's to open... nice!!

Just got home!
Very enjoyable.

First set -
Nice jam into Keep on growin. This tune is a rocker and set the tone. FOTD- fairly straight forward. Milestones - Highlight of the first set. A very cool tune. The band seemed on here. Liberty was palyed well, again a pretty straight forward tune. Soulshine - P break. US blues -ROCKIN and leaving us ready for more.

King Solomon's Marbles - CT has gotten used to this tune as Phil has done it here 3 times in a row. Great way to start the set. Everyone was pumped
Good Lovin' - Surprise!! With the old Phil beginning. They did not finish this as it went into ---------
Welcome To The Underground> After the first two tunes, I was a little dissapointed at first but Warren puts his heart into everything he does leaving this pleasant
Jam> All the jams were cool
Deal> Nice to hear. did not reach crescendo like I would have liked.Jam>
All Along The Watchtower - WARREN From here on in he took charge. Even though he was still blowing his nose, he had it in him to kick ass.
Spacy Jam>
St Stephen> Another CT staple.
Morning Dew> Warren on Vox - Almost weepy
Unbroken Chain> Jam was nice
Lovelight - Off the HOOK
Donor Rap (Phil's niece)/Intros
enc: Loose Lucy - At least it wasn't a mellow tune.

Overall, The best Phil I have seen at Oakdale. Still did not top 7/21/01, but I have yet to hear anything that rivals that show. Absolutley no doubt why we all love this band - THEY COOK!!!!!!!

just got back from the show ... it's official, Warren is over the flu.

First set was very jammed out but played really well .. tight, crisp lower energy more exploration - heavy Jimmy. The jam into Milestones was pretty slick. Liberty and US Blues were a statement .. too tired to address it now but i'm sure it will come up ...

Second set was driven by Warren and Phil ... while Warren soared, Phil pulled the strings of the kite ...

Solomon's set the table, we are here and we've got our groove on ... they took this show to a different level during Watchtower, and the jam into St. Stephen just about turned into China Doll before the came to a dead stop, and then only to lauch Stephen ... Dew was good, not as jammed out as I like but an excellent choice nonetheless. UBC was my highlight of the show and lovelight really brought this show full circle.

I thought they really did a good job trading off songs and the jams - Jimmy and Warren compliment each other very, very well. It's great seeing Phil let them out to play and reel them in only after they've had a good long stroll ...


Can't wait for the beacon, happy turkey day everyone!

this show was my first phil and friends show and let me tell u it won't be my last show! i was blown away by jimmy and warren. i've seen warren with dmb a few times but tonight he just blew my mind. of all songs i wanted to hear 2night they played watchtower!!! soulshine was also very very good. kinda sad no sugarmag, ripple, or box of rain but i was very impressed by this show.

1st set was a bit meandering (aside from Keep on Growing); 2nd set said it all.........
Happy Thanksgiving everybody!

Lackluster first set, except for the jazz jam....more precise keys would have made it soar. 2ond set took off! St. Stephen!!!!

stronger than dirt

Hey Philzone people. Great show last night.

It's evident they're making the effort to change things up this time through. Not like, come in and play Cassidy for the umpteenth time; it's evolving. The UBC jam for instance, much different than before. And if I may say, much hotter too. Growing, U.S., King Solomon-- can't recall hearing those for a while. Soulshine was reggae version. The evolution of Jimmy and Warren together also continues to grow. As good as I've heard it, though as mentioned above, the first set was a little "light." Actually enjoyed U.S. though. The second set was TURN IT UP time. And they did. It was really loud.

Beacon sets up nicely. Have fun in Philly.

Gotta hit the road for T-Giving. A big holiday thanks to Phil. And Warren, Jimmy, Rob & John. Keep on growing.

>>>>>Bro said first set a little "candy-coated"

Yep. Very comfortable & inviting selections for the 1st set. Keep on Growing is a great opener along the same lines as LTGTR. FOTD was slow and had a deeper groove than i care for. Last night's Milestones was the best complete version ive heard 'em do; excellent solo sections/trading 4s, and you didnt have to be an uber-jazzhead to get into the conversation up on stage. Liberty,Soulshine,USBlues was classic good 'ol boy stuff. All transitions were smooth.

Kicking off the set 2 w/ Marbles was cool. It made me realize that this band is the best thing that could've happened to this music. Good Lovin, Underground, Deal and Watchtower were good choices, but not the meat of the set... really thought they were going to bring G.L. back around sooner than never. Stephen>DEW>UBC brought the energy back around to where it was during Marbles. Warren sang Dew, and I'm not sure anymore whom I prefer?!?! Lovelight topped off the set nicely, and a nice bouncy Lucy encore was good motivator to get out of the venue and party...

Hot damn. now that was worth waiting for.

Set 1 was barely over a hour long, but was nice and mellow....good jams, but nothing that makes ya go "whaa??" Still a great set....I think Phil and the boys were trying to tell us something with the final trio...Phil said something about it "being our country too" at the end of the first set.

But holy crap....second set was absolutely amazing. King Solomons is a real treat...didnt expect another instrumental after the Milestones in the first set, so it was nice to hear. Good Lovin' only was like two verses before they veered off on a good jam which gradually slowed down until WTTU hit....I dug it, its been one of my favorite tunes from the TABA disc since it came out. Deal was cool, almost as if they were kicking off an old school run of songs with it.

Watchtower....what can be said....it was intense. Weird thing: the preshow and setbreak music was about 35 minutes of Bob Dylan looped, and Watchtower ran though about six times. I looked at Katie as the Deal Jam started sounding familiar and we both said "No way" and then Warren blew up the opening riff.

Stephen>Dew>Unbroken Chain was probably the highlight of the night. Absolutely stellar playing throughout. Yeah, Warren sang the Dew....I thought that seemed a little odd at first, but he turned in a Stella Blue type performance. UBC brought the house down...and then Lovelight danced on the rubble. Lovelight was huge...they packed a 20 minute lovelight into about 14 minutes.

The Donor rap was cool..it was a different neice than last time, and she was wicked nervous...almost seemed like she was about half a word from crying the whole time. Then Phil finished up the rap, and introduced the band...they each got spotlights, and a massive cheer.

Loose Lucy was great, almost as if the band was thanking us for coming out. Was a new one for me, but I enjoyed it. Weird moment after they finished, they all started to walk offstage and then Phil goes "oops" and runs back onstage to wish us a goodnight, and tells us about closing the circle...guess he forgot that during the rap.

All in all, a great show....short first set was made up for by a nearly 2 hour second set. I think there might have been a problem which cut the set short...they stopped dead and cut the lights off before and after Soulshine, and waiting to get in, it seemed like they were still doing soundcheck at like 615...maybe there was sound problems or somethin'.

Oh, yeah....if any tapers are reading this....did your recording have a lot of crowd noise?? We were back just under the lip of the overhang, and it got pretty chatty..hope it didnt come out on the tapes. We had a couple Bobby fans behind us, and they talked up Bobby for most of the time when they werent singing off key.

FUCKIN' AWESOME!

wow!! can't wait for the Tower theatre after seeing 2 shows in the Windy city & checkin' out all the setlists since. looks like we're really seeing that the Q has their favorite tunes! this tour> keep on growin!! "Yeah, Yeah, Yeah!!!!" thanks to all the Zoners. are all our opinions like a**holes?
the PLQ experience is so incredible. the journey doesn't stop! remember folks...enjoy the moment, let yourself go!!!! any newbies, showgoing vets must remember you get it all w/ the Q. Bombs away Phil!!! Keep it HEAVY Folks!!

jealous ;)

1st let me say that when I sas that they opened up the show with Keep on Growin, I was pretty much floored.

I was supposed to be at this show and am still staring 2 (quite decent) Oakdale tickets in face which are just sitting on my desk. Well getting out of work (in NYC) much later than anticipated, plus some other logistical issues, pretty much made it impossible for me to catch this show. Anyone whose been in chat the last week knows I've been calling (and hoping thinking I would be there) for the KOG opener in CT all week. When I made the call around 5:15 last night to abort that was the one tune I was hoping they would save for the Tower. St. Stehen, UBC, KSM, I can handle, I've seen em all before,but hearing KOG from the recent shows; the power, the fun, the energy, really made hope I would catch one finally for the first time.

When I saw that the opened up with it last night I was happy for the people there, but pretty bummed for myself.

So what did I do? I walked out the door with my tail btwn my legs, cruised down Irving place 5 blocks and went to see my first DSO show (hey it IS NYC and there is always some "pick me up" within walking distance). They played 9/15/82 last night and although the whole thing is a giant nostalgia trip, these guys definitely have there shit together. I made my way up for the front for the start of the 2nd set and they played a killer Shakedwon>Sailor>Saint. The Bobby guy sounds so much like Bobby it is almost comical. And although for me there is no comparison PERIOD between the Q or even Ratdog for tht matter, and the DSO, I have to admit I was impressed, by the playing, but mostly by the fact that it really did SOUND like an 82 show.

OK, so I get home, see the Q's 2nd setlist, see that I missed KSM, St. Stepen>DEW>Unbroken chain. Now I'm bodering on depression. So I wake up this morning and check the Zone and find out Warren sang the Dew which I'm sure was fantastic. MY first feeling was like man I really missed a killer show, Keep on Growing, Warren on the Dew? Are you kidding me? could this get worse?
But...

I actually met some cool old school heads last night at DSO and was giving huge props to Phil and Friends telling how they definetly rule the earth and that they have catch at least 1 beacon show if they have any brains at all, ya da ya da ya da. And all of them had a similar reluctance, that they are not that into Phil's singing.

I personally have grown to love Phil's sining, and told them not to worry cause in the PLQ WARREN and ROB also do a ton of singing and it works out perfectly. But I actually feel like Phil may not be singing enough right now. He seems to be singing less and less (and a lot of his lead vocal songs have turned into 2 parts with Rob). I thought Phil singing the Dew at the Greek last summer was totally sick, a major highlight of the bay area run, and is one of the reasons that to this day I dig his singing and think so highly of it. don't get me wrong I am a HUGE Warren fan as well, but it seems to that he does plenty of singing ALREADY and that I think (when I really think about it ) that I would rather have Phil keep a few of these EPIC tunes for himself to sing, i.e Morning Dew.

So after this huge rant, am I bummed I missed last nights show? Yes very.

Am I psyched I got to see the DSO? Sure.

Has this up and down emotional musical rollercoaster resulted in some insight about what I really dig about PLQ? Yes, definitley although what that insight EXACTLY is I'm not TOTALLY sure (something about Phil's siging)...

Am I pshcyed for Philly and the Beacon? You bet.


peace, and see ya' at the tower,
bones

Wow!This show was absolutley incredible. I must say that of all the phil shows I've seen this was the best all around show yet. Every Jam had different character and every song was a standout version. Everything about this show was incredible. Jimmy Herring totally rocks and Rob was out of control during this show. Also this was the best I've heard Warren play in the last few shows I've seen. I'm as picky a fan as they come and I expect so much from this band everytime I see them because I respect each musician so much and all of them are so gifted. Last night they met my expectations and more. Milestones was incredible, Jimmy's solo was dynamite, the interplay between the group all night was truly amazing to behold. Everyone's ears were huge for this show and that is what made it so great. The first was as solid as it can be with one steller performance after another. You could tell from the opening notes that band was going to be hot. Other hightlights were the ENTIRE 2nd SET. King Solomons totally raged, and Jimmy Herring again was just tearing in the music. I'm sorry but no one is even in the same ball park with this guy that is on the scene today. There are so many great players but Jimmy's playing is technically amazing, but his musicality and lines are so tasteful and he is truly a wonder to behold. I really can't say enough about this band and what they did last night, They have influenced me so much musically , in fact it is because of my first time seeing rob play piano at the oakdale in 4-6-00 that made me want to pursue playing music for the rest of my life. I hope someday I can tell him about how much his music and his playing has meant to me. This show last night was the best I've seen yet and I felt so lucky to have been there. Happy Thankgiving Everyone!!!

Wow - and I expected to sign on today to read Bucky and Keyshawn's trashing of last night - oh, I forgot, they're all "busy" with their "lives" Ha!

All I can say is what I told my friend when they busted into Lovelight: "I'm glad I'm merely stoned and drunk for this show!"

Certainly an "off" night after the 3 in Boston - especially the EPIC Sunday and Tuesday shows. Even Monday, as inconsistent as it was, even with the "Quaalude" 1st set, was better than last night. Then I get out to my car after the show and a fellow 'zoner (not to be named!) left a note under my windshield wiper: "WORST SHOW EVER" (w/a crude drawing of the Comic Book Store Guy from the Simpsons).

But was last night that "bad" of a show? Certainly NOT by a long shot!!!! Hell, the last St Stephen - Morning Dew by a Dead or Proto-Dead band was probably 5/8/77 (trivia buffs back me up or disprove me on this please!)! And then the 'Dew was sung by Warren! Very nice!!!!

Much of the show was very decent, even though there were certainly enough "bathroom" songs (2 in a row to end the 1st set) to allow me MANY trips to the bar - and they were serving up some pretty STIFF drinks for $6 - a bargain compared to the Beacon! Halfway thru "Welcome to the U-Ground" I tell my friend "man if I'd had my act together I'd have been to the bar & back again already" - so I take a chance and go - they reward me with Deal - sorry, but that's gotta be one of the lamest possible songs to see the "Q" perform - I'm able to buy rounds for everyone I know plus 2 for myself. Dang! So I'm all set up to be surly for the meat of the 2nd set - Watchtower - Stephen - Dew - Unbroken. All well done but not amongst the best versions ever. Same goes for Keep on Growin', King Solomon's - competent but not "off the wall".

I was 3rd row, of course the ONLY crowded row - I gotta say being at a "Q" show sometimes makes me feel downright skinny! There was a preppy couple in front of me - totally out of place - the guy was a jazz head (his favorite was the Milestones) his wife was NOT into it at all - man I was COVETING their seats - I tried all night to get them to leave - exhaling my hits right on her head - in vain, they didn't leave 'till "Unbroken".

I was hoping for at least a Goin' Down the Rd - Angel Band but 'twas not to be - saved for Phila - got the dreg of all encores instead. Compared to other CT shows, I'd say this was better than last time @ the Oakdale, but not as good as either '01 or '02 Meadows shows. The best CT show so far being the 1st Oakdale show in April '00. The worst being the summer '00 w/Robbin Ford/Little Feat guys.

Oh well, taping was a total wash (they were REALLY harsh about it and kept all the tapers way under the balcony). So there may not even be any decent recordings of this show around - I certainly wouldn't even want to hear the ones made under the balc - hopefully someone w/ their act together stealthed it or that taper who is in w/ the band and runs his rig from the board every night gives out his copy or Phil gives out a free soundboard download (HINT: THIS would be the show to do that for - all the other shows have decent aud tapes available so far). I just hope the Tower and Beacon are as hassle-free as Boston was in that regard.

Would I have rather seen DSO do 9/15/82? Maybe - I was at the ORIGINAL 9/15/82 (Crap Cen) and it WAS a great show - despite the 'Sailor - 'Saint - there's a very WEIRD/ UNIQUE version of NFA at that show - woulda liked to have heard DSO's take on it.

OK, off to the family for T-Giving - have a great one!!!!

Honestly, this was the worst Phil show i have ever seen. Rob and Jimmy were amazing as always, but i really did not enjoy myself nearly as much as i did at the Oct 22nd Ratdog show in Hartford, or the Dead shows i saw over the summer. Can't wait for The Dead to tour again.

happy thanksgiving yall. the funny thing about opinions is that we all got em. i was stoked last summer to see the Q bust out roadrunner, and that would have been tenfold to be there last night for the opener! keep on growin, along with long way from home are some of my alltime fav. dead covers. ineed this tape! also, lost my dats of b'roo this summer im lookin for neil, dead, keller, wsp, jame brown and the new deal. anyone got the dead frm merriweather? lost my computer too, i would love to set up b&p lemme know if anyone can help. peas-and carrots

Ok question---isn't it a personal thing, the connection, the organic feel of the music, I have just read, it was the best and it was the worst. I truly believe that it can be both to different people...what do you all think?

No time for a 'real' review, being Thanksgiving.......

The first set was pretty good, pretty standard, overall satisfying.....
Since I've seen about 69 Soulshines, for the sake of comparison, I'll say it was good, but I've seen better. I've also seen a few that weren't better.
For me, the highlight was Keep On Growing.

2nd set.....

More jazzy stuff with KSM, which surprised me after Milestones. Very fast compared to late 2001-2002, which is better IMHO.
Fast almost always = more energy......

Good Lovin', sans Bobby = Pigpen style = more jamming.

There, however, enters one of my problems with this band last night: Just when something developed - and it happenened several times when a nice jam was starting between songs - they let it slip away & moved on too quickly, like they had too many songs they had to cram in & couldn't spend enough time on each item (see Slipknot on 9-25 for an example).
So, after 3-4 minutes of nice jamming, Good Lovin's gone......

Welcome To the Underground, no biggie, good jam at the end......

Deal.... too slow, not jammed out enough. As Fritz said "Bospan had to keep shaking me to keep me awake during Deal."
Pick it up, put some pep in it, Phil.

WAtchtower ripped, kinda short, but rocked out.

The space that ensued hinted at Stella, but we knew St Stephen was coming - after all, I was there (10 out of 12 shows now). Stephen was what it should be, play it again Friday, Phil.
And Saturday.
And Sunday......



Then Morning Dew.

They had it right there.

A chance for GREATNESS.

And blew it.

Sad.

First, Phil realizes Warren should be singing Dew. Great move.
Everything's moving along fine......
Nice first instrumental......
The end comes......
Nothing.
No jam.....
Nothing.....
Warren's singing "I guess it doesn't matter anyway" again.

I was crushed.
"That was a disgrace." I said.

It really took a while to recover & left a BIG hole in what was an otherwise very good show......

I know Phil has generally played understated versions of Morning Dew, but, listen to that 6-02 version from Cal. or 10-15-00. This Dew had NO 2nd instrumental at all.

If you're going to play Morning Dew like this, Phil, spare me.
(flame away, I'll be in Philly anyhow)

Then UBC, just great, probably the highlight of the show. I was thinking "Maybe they'll finish Morning Dew after UBC", but no......

Lovelight really rocked.

Loose Lucy, whatever.
I was hoping for Stella myself.
Yes, Stella. Get it out of the way so it's not hanging over my head for 3 more shows.....

A few notes on the style:

- The 'unfocusedness' that plagued the band from late 2001-2002 where they'd constantly space out during everything was not evident at all last night.

- They seem to do MUCH less outside the setlist jamming & more songs & jam more within the songs.

- There was a little more dual leads between Jimmy & Warren than in late 2001-2002.

Overall, as I said, a very good show, but with one HUGE, gaping hole in the middle of it's heart that keeps it from being greatness.


BTW, I guess I DID have time to do a real review.....

Bucky - I think you are being too harsh about the Dew.

Do they really have to jam out on the Dew because you think so?

It was a beautiful version with Warren on vocals - made one wonder whether he or Jerry did a better job? Phil's done some nice ones, but some not so nice.

The Q jammed often last night, and in different, interesting, always effective ways from start to finish - see opening jam, KOG jam, FOTD jam, Milestones, KSM, So What jam, soaring Watchtower, amazing Lovelight jams.

They chose to do a beautiful, mellow Dew.

Are they not entitled, seeing all the other jamming they did?

By and large, I do agree with you - a very nice first set, not spectacular.

Deal was not terribly good.

2nd set was mostly PLQ at the top of their game, though including KSM and St.Stephen through the end is as good as they've ever done, in my humble opinion.

Listen to the live broadcast esp. for the jaw dropping Watchtower, the improved KSM and UBC, and the Lovelight of all Lovelights - truly.

I agree with Bucky about the Dew. Nicely placed and it really could have put this show over the top for me. I was waiting and waiting for the climbing scales but nothing ...

Warren's voice sounds great, but the song for me has never been about the vocals, it's about the jams that generate the emotive response. Without them, the song plays like a comfy weepy ballad in my opinion. UBC was one fo the best I have ever heard and quickly redeemed the set.

I agree with Bucky that everything seemed kinda rushed and they were too quick to let Warren take a solo and then end the song quickly. Not the long, melodic, jazz transitions that we are used to, first set was barely an hour long. Very strange considering we saw Milestones and KSM in the same show. Something just wasnt making sense to me, maybe it was that I was too damn tired after the last three nights, it seemed everyone was, the crowd was a little thin, and a little quiet. That being said it still blew the 7/21/03 show out of the fuckin' water. Fuck Bobby...fuck Joan...and can we have three drummers in one band, they could do it. Alright, Mickey doesnt have to be there

Bucky,
Your review really resonates with a lot of my show experiences.

Cool deal... thanks for it

>>>>>Bucky - I think you are being too harsh about the Dew.

Do they really have to jam out on the Dew because you think so?


No, not because I think so, but because it's the way Morning Dew was done for 30 years.

Throw on a tape from 1972.

Or 1977.

Or 1980.

Or 1987.

Or 1991.

Or 6-2002 like I said.

Get it?

That's Morning Dew, not some rather simplistic words being sung over & over - that's only a part of the package.

It's the build up at the end that makes Morning Dew one of the all-time epic Grateful Dead songs & anyone who ever saw the Grateful Dead perform a great Morning Dew or even threw on a great show should know that.

And, I'm not trying to say "MY opinion is the only opinion here...", but honestly, I don't think this is even a debatable issue....
Is there ONE person out here who DOESN'T think Morning Dew is one of the ALL-TIME epic Grateful Dead tunes?

If so, go rent 'The Gratteful Dead Movie'......

They thought enough of it to center the climax of the movie around it - just like a show.

And that version HAS a GREAT build up.

Did anyone else besides me see the way the Warren and Jimmy were smiling at each other and egging each other on last night. I thought the show was just kick ass.

I dig it when Bucky is actually at the show and speaks of that which he heard at the show..and the rest of ya also..

I have not seen a show with a member of the Dead since this past summer's getaway tour and came to this show up in Wallingford, CT (random place for a venue) hoping to see a really tight show. Thankfully, I was not let down.

Set 1: Jam> My friend Shelia and I came into the venue during the middle of this opening jam, and we found our way up into the balcony to meet up with some friends...good intro music to walk in to. It is almost as if Phil and Co. know all about these walk in times...

Keep On Growing> Jam > - very tight song, probably one of my favorites of the evening with stellar vocals from Rob and Warren, leading into a nice jam...kind of ironic song choice considering what favorite past time my friends and I were participating at the time of this song - into...

Friend Of The Devil> always welcomed, almost everyone around me was singing along which is always nice too

Spacey Jam> the band seemed to be slipping right through the floorboards of the stage into this space throughout the night, and this was just a preview of that type of jamming...

Milestones> first time I have heard this, a very jazzy Elington-esyche song that reminded me of early Phish "A-Trains"...great cymbal work from Molo, followed by a always welcomed drum jam, kept this song grooving throughout...

Liberty - we made our way downstairs at this point to our actually seats where we found a much more subdued, older crowd sitting down...standard version but another good song again to sing along too...

Soulshine - I have heard this song done countless times by different projects that Warren Haynes has been involved with, and this was by far and away the most reggaed out version ever! Warren deffered to Rob for the solo, which was nice to see. Kind of went along with the mellowed tone of the evening...

U.S. Blues - One of my favorites that Jerry ever sang, a capper of the mocking of the United States song selection of the first set, Phil even brought this to the attention at the end of the song with a statement, "Chew on that while we take a break."

OVERALL 1ST SET: very brief but good song arrangement, Rob Barracco on lead for the most part, crowd in the men's room were begging for a better 2nd set and...

Set 2: King Solomon's Marbles - bam! Sweet instrumental choice to open the 2nd set, one of the tightest versions I have heard from Phil Lesh and Friends...

Good Lovin'> - never heard a bad version, this song choice had the fans dancing away in the aisles...

Welcome To The Underground> Jam> - never heard this one before, slower jam to finish out, kind of loosing steam till the end leading into...

Deal> Jam> - start of some old school stuff, very nice version with a rock out jam...

All Along The Watchtower> - Kind of ironic considering lots of Dylan during intermission, had Warren barking out the lyrics, awesome!

Spacey Jam> - falling back into space, something they do so well in transitions, sometimes too quick...

St. Stephen> - the first notes had the crowd roaring with happiness, always welcome in my book. Like Hood, I could hear this from Phil and Friends any time I see them...

Morning Dew> - Warren took the rare lead on some soulfull singing, hanging back on playing...

Unbroken Chain> - A crowd favorite, Phil seemed tired from all the segues, but he always does this song very well...

Lovelight - A song to bring the house down, Warren screamed the lyrics and traded lics with Jimmy. I love this song, even without Pig on vocals...

Donor Rap by Phil's niece - nice to see a different heartfelt rap

Band Intros - Molo didn't get much of a needed response

E: Loose Lucy - Very tight encore but the crowd and everyone but Phil were thirsting for more (Molo didn't get up from his kit for awhile and I could tell he was juiced and wanted to play another...Not Fade Away might have been appropriate!

OVERALL: Very nice show left me with a smile on my face, can't wait for the Beacon!

OK first set - very good second set. I too was disappointed with the way they ended Morning Dew, but overall a very strong show and great sound - even at far stage left.

Am I the only one to get the "Milkin' The Turkey" Thanksgiving connection?

no - I was spouting about it last night in chat.
Also the USA theme to the end of the first.

Bucky with all due respect, Morning Dew is actually a cover song .. done by Bonnie Dobson. And I will never by into "That's they way it's always been" theory. This is NOT the Grateful Dead and the great Gar, rest his soul in peace, is not in the band. This is Phil & Friends .. if you come baring expectations of what YOU want or what the Grateful Dead used to do .. then I'm sorry to say these times they are a changing and you are bound for some let downs. It is what it is .. and I for one love it all.

>>>It was a beautiful version with Warren on vocals - made one wonder whether he or Jerry did a better job?

Jerry sang AMDew hundreds of times over 28 years. This being possibly his most kind soulful vox of all GDead songs and you are going to suggest
Warren does it better after one go at it.

You have to be kidding.

a) you weren't there - it was a special 2nd set

b) I said it made one wonder - not the same as saying that Warren's version is better or even as good - the fact that the question even cam to mind was all I was trying to relate - it was touching stuff

Just to *know* that last night they COULD HAVE pulled off a Dew w/ a solo between the 2nd & 3rd verses, and ended w/ a cresendo is upsetting. Regardless, it was a welcome rendition. No more, no less.

What Mike Pace said.....

Anyone who knows a bit about GD history - and that includes Phil Lesh - couldn't help but be thinking of 5-8-77 as soon as Morning Dew started.

AND, you can't give me the "This isn't the Dead, it's P&F" because, as I said, listen to
6-02 from California where they do Dew > Dark Star. There's a good build-up there. Even 10-15-00, while not having a double time build-up, has a sweet instrumental. Last night had NO instrumental with ANY guitar leads.

They let THE MOMENT slip through their hands....

The defining moment of last night's show that could've made it a top notch classic or just another good P&F show.

Now, last night is just another good P&F show.

I always thought it was their music to play and we are all the benefactors of it .. they can play whatever they want up there, if it's not fun to them WHY would they bother. And I highly doubt any of them left the show saying "darn it we just let that Morning Dew get away from us.. now that show will go down as sub-par .. bummer." They, as a collective group, played what they felt and did not to try and simulate the previous Dew, the one at Cornell or any Dew before or after the infamous Cornell show .. they played what they wanted .. let's be happy for what they gave us, for what they give us every night they play for us. If we always expect to get what we want and we always expect it to be as it always has been and we always expect it to be nearly perfect within those expectations then it truly would be a dream we dreamed one afternoon long ago.

>>>>I always thought it was their music to play

Yes, Their music to play,
But to hear it live,
It's our money to pay


Rick, this is the 'reviews' section.
We're reviewing the show they played.

Not from Phil or Warren or Jimmy's perspective, from MINE.

Phil can feel free to pop up here with his own review anytime he wants, ya know?

Do Star Wars Nerds get this upset when Roger Ebert trashes Attack Of The Clones?
Probably.

Hit the lot outside the venue at about 6:30 or so, totally psyched to see P and F again, after so long! Instantly ran into lots of kind zoners at the Buckster's van in Handicapped parking. Total smiles and hugs, met some new faces, sampled some of Snoey's homemade cookies (!), and was thrilled to finally meet JilluvsPhil and BoxofRon, Buzzy Napoli, Mooseman, as well as Dan Perusse and Keyshawn! Lots of other kind zoner friends hanging about, kind and calm, great to catch up (Eize, Pace, Peglet, Trish, Fritz, Matty, Kevin Dancedude and crew, Leda (xxxoo) and crew, but before you knew it, it was time to cruise into the show.

The venue itself was cushy and beautiful, in a new sort of way. We had fantastic seats right behind the soundboard (Section D, row B) with unobstructed view and sound.

The show, ah the show! Yes, as someone above wondered aloud, shows are certainly as subjective as an experience can be. For me, the first set seemed mostly like a "good time\high energy" kind of set. The highlight for me was Milestones. I loved watching Jimmy, Phil, and Warren trade off complex jams, nodding and bowing and stepping back with a flourish when their solo part was completed. A little like a guitar duel- Jazzy, sometimes swing, sometimes raggy, always soaring. Can't wait to hear THAT again!

Second set, moments of supreme bliss, constant grin on my face-Warren during Watchtower.. and St Stephen, , and then ahhh Morning Dew, and Warren singing. Maybe I was reading into it too much, but it occured to me that maybe the time was right for Warren to be singing Morning Dew. That song is so beautiful, really tugged on my heartstrings- and then Unbroken Chain, looking for familiar faces in a empty (?words?) window pane -- a song that reminds me so much of longing and beauty-felt like i was perched on the shadow of yesterday while still in the present.

This band, these friends, these times
Ain't we lucky??
More later

After hearing about the setlists and the playing in Boston, I was thinkin' it might be an off night. Got parked around 4:30, met up w/ Philophile and his friend Tony. Pholks were setting up their tables and grills for a mini shakedown when security informed us that no one could sell anything and we could not hang in the lot drinking beers out of cups - in fact, according to them, we had to go into the venue or drink in our cars! They sent some people off to some remote gravel lot to party, and then 10 min. later told us no partying anywhere. Thanks guys - welcome to the Oakdale.

Going in, the patdown was thorough but not overly intrusive. The lobby was round and reminded me of a casino in some way. The food and beer choices were expensive and limited as usual. My seat was in front of the right PA stack so I figured the sound should be good, but it was not. From my location it was muddy and harsh at the same time. It improved slightly in the middle of the second set, but by the end it was even worse - I could not make out one word Phil was saying in the donor rap. Instrumentally, Phil, Molo, and Warren were loud enough, but I could barely hear Jimmy and Rob's playing for most of the night. All three vocalists definitely seemed to be having an off night, or maybe it was just the sound.

The opening jam was nice, into KOG.. Not one of my favorite tunes, but alright. The jam into FOTD was good, too, as were almost all the intertune jams. Fotd was not slow IMO but just the right tempo with a long internal jam - so long that I was surprised when they came back with the last verse. The next jam wound its way into Milestones, which for me was the highlight of the set - very nice. Liberty started off big,but kinda ran out of gas before the end. A pretty standard Soulshine followed, at the end of which the band seemed confused as to whether the set was over or not. They finally decided on one more and gave us a rockin' but ultimately generic US Blues. Some good moments, especially in the jams and Milestones, but nothing that blew my mind.

Set II started of with a bang with a shortish but tight Marbles. No complaints here. They then kicked off Good Lovin' with the early 70s intro and after the two verses went back the mode of the intro for the jam instead of continuing with some instrumental verses. I liked it, but it basically negated any chance of finishing the song, and eventually it wound down into Underground. Not one of my faves, but Warren did it justice. Unfortunately the next jam segued into one of the slowest, plodding, most boring Deals ever. Phil seemed to be having trouble with the words as well. Thankfully it didn't last too long; it just seemed to. After the end of Misdeal the set took a turn for the better. The sound seemed a little better and the energy started to rise. The jam kept hinting at Watchtower and they finally fell into it, with Warren quoting generously from Hendrix. Jimmy had been pretty low key for the most part, but he stepped up in Watchtower and it turned out to be a pretty hot version. After a long spacy jam it was time for ST. STEPHEN! I don't care how often thay play this - it remains one of my favorite tunes. The transitions were right on, the vocals sounded good - the highlight of the show for me. Plenty of flow, plenty of power. When they went into Dew it was just the frosting on the cake. I did miss the build up at the end, but it didn;t totally kill my buzz, 'cause UBC was next. Long and jammy, but the muddy sound problems seemed to have returned. A good version, but not as good as some others, with a few sloppy transitions. I still liked it though. Lovelight was long and full of energy, except for Warrens vocals, which were weak. I thought Lucy was not a great choice for the encore, but it was played fairly well.

All in all, it was a mixed show - not the worst ever IMO, but weaker than most of the others I have heard on disc from this tour, especially Boston the previous night. That was a show dripping with psychedelic energy; this one had little of that. It was a mostly tight, jazzy show, and the music never seemed to flow out of the band; instead it seemed that they were working hard and grinding it out. If you are familiar with the books of Carlos Castenada ( the Don Juan books), you might consider that the Oakdale show was a show of the TONAL, a concept that encompasses all the world of humans, ideas, emotions, the Earth and all the STUFF in the Universe. The Tues. Boston show, from what I can tell, was a show of the NAGUAL (sp?) - of all that is not of the material world; of the GREAT UNKNOWN.

I hear you Bucky, definately no harm intended, a little healthy discourse about each others reviews doesn't harm either. It's always OK to agree to disagree.. Life wouldn't be very challenging at times if everyone agreed upon everything. Nothing to tell now,
Let the words be yours, I'm done with mine.. see ya all in Philly

did anyone hear an althea tease around the second set?

Milestones....great!

Deal...The jam at the beginning of it was so cool, but the rest of the tune was sadly one of the worst ever. (Sorry, Phil)

>>>>>Deal...The jam at the beginning of it was so cool, but the rest of the tune was sadly one of the worst ever. (Sorry, Phil)

I read Sideshow's review, posted about noon......
He LOVES Deal by Phil.

NOT!

Does ANYONE?

I think that says something.....

I think that SDeal, along with New Speedway, may be the 2 worst arranged & performed versions of GD songs 'The Q' does.

I've seen Deal 3 times now I think & they all were poor & sucked the energy right out of the set....

I didnt really like GD's arrangement of New Speedway in the 90's. it sounded almost identicle to like three other tunes they always did. The few Q versions Ive heard I really liked.

Got to the Oakdale around 5:20ish and hung out in the car for a while. Walked to the building at around 6...the patdown was quite intrusive, as I wanted to say to the woman groping me (literally).

Our seats were good - nicely centered and behind the soundboard. It would have been nice if the dumb, loud Bobby fans behind us could have stopped their yelled discourse about how much better Ratdog plays EVERY song. Also, the drunk/stoned/stupid frat boy types next to me could have used someone telling them to STF up. Oh, and the wookie-looking guy in front of me NEEDED a good scrubbing with soap. He stunk quite badly.

Searches and obnoxious patrons notwithstanding, it was a decent show. Not the best PLQ I've seen in Connecticut, but not the worst. Weaker than the few earlier shows from this tour that I've heard...frankly I really had high hopes after listening to the Warfield soundboards, and they just didn't hit that bar at the Oakdale, IMO. Where's the cool screen thiny that they used to project the cool lights onto? The stage looked so dull without it.


Keep On Growing - a nice opener. Tight, with a nice jam.

Friend Of The Devil - seemed a little too slow, the drunken Bobby fans felt the need to sing along in a very off-key fashion.

Milestones - cool song, never heard it before. Nice and jazzy, but everyone around us didn't seem to like it much. I did. The boys had FUN with this one! Yeah Jimmy!

Liberty - Fun to sing along with. I liked this one.

Soulshine - I'm not hugely fond of the reggae-inspired Soulshine and although I love the song when done with ABB or the Mule, I wish PLQ wouldn't play it so often. On a more positive note, I loved the guitar interplay, and it was nice to have Rob's sound coming through.

U.S. Blues - seemed solid and fairly tight. A good song, I didn't need the political crap that came at the end.

King Solomon's Marbles - I like this one, always have. A good warmup to the second set.

Good Lovin - All right, let's get rockin'! Totally unexpected and a fun song.

Welcome To The Underground - One of my favorites from the studio album. Have I mentioned how much I love Warren's vocals?

Deal - Eh. I like the song, I sort of wish Phil didn't sing lead on it. His voice just seems too deep for it, it makes the song drag a bit. The dumbass Bobby fans behind us were beside themselves, and decided to sing/shout along.

All Along The Watchtower - holy shit. Out freaking standing. Definitely a highlight for me, and much too short!

St Stephen - I will never EVER tire of hearing this song. Thank you, guys!

Morning Dew - I gotta be honest, Warren sang it very nicely...but it just slowed things down too much for me. After Watchtower and St. Stephen I was up and dancing and ready to keep rocking...and we got Morning Dew. Decently done, nothing to write home to mother about.

Unbroken Chain - yes...nice...loved it! Phil's vocals are a lot more consistent than they were two years ago. Just a beautiful song, and really moving.

Lovelight - This one just rocked. Warren is definitely over the flu...nice vocals and I finally FELT Phil's bass right in the gut.

Donor Rap (Phil's niece)/Intros - what a sweet girl, she looked like she was going to cry. Obviously she cares about her uncle a whole lot! Intros were fun, huge cheers for the boys.

Loose Lucy - not what I wanted for the encore, and they didn't follow it with the UJB that I *really* hoped for. It was decent enough, I guess.


Overall, I would have liked more jamming...let the boys take off instead of moving to something else. It's like they tried really hard to cram in a bunch of songs, when they could have really opened it up especially in the second set. Oh well...there was solid playing from all the vocals were good overall. A nice show, and a great time with my sweetie (the Bobby lovers and drunk frat boys notwithstanding).

Your kidding right? WH doing a AM Dew aw well as Jerry G. HAHAHAHA! what are you 19? or Deal? I think WH is the man right now on guitar and Vocals, but c-mon, really? I think that WH go's out of his way to NOT play a Jerryesk style of solo on AM dew and Deal and most tunes, but the overall structure of these tunes DEMANDS IT! Remember the "FAN" chords that JG used to dew? in the dew? i always felt that was the most emotional peek of the song,show for me anyway.

Katiebug,you must have been sitting right where we were, behind the soundboard. I didn't wanna bitch in my comments above, but I will say now that the frat-boys-grown-up next to me really challenged my ability to be able to tune them out and enjoy the show.

They were drinking wildly at the seats, and were standing around in the middle of the sweetest jams or quiet noodling yakking, laughing, babbling and yelling as if they were in the middle of a stupid BAR or frat house party. Yelling over the music. I finally leaned over and asked the two next to me if they could please talk quieter. It worked for about 10 minutes. Then, a lady they were with, drunk and babbling the entire time stumbled, and tossed her gin and tonic all over my back and our coats.

The last straw was some a-hole wookie refusing to move out of the box platinum seats one row under us to the left. He was giving the finger to the security guards while dancing around and drinking a beer. A tussle ensued, and the fucking beer got tossed right on the soundboard equipment and all over the laptop! They soundboard guys and security freaked and spent 2 songs trying dump the beer outa the laptop...Needless to say the guy had to be carried away by the real tough security who were called in.

Id much prefer a show full of puffers to the oblivious a- hole beer swillers and gin drinkers.
Legalize it, tax it if you will...

>> Where's the cool screen thiny that they used to project the cool lights onto? The stage looked so dull without it.

It seemed to me that they didn't want to bother setting up lights for just one show and used the hosue lights instead.

>>>>Also, the drunk/stoned/stupid frat boy types next to me could have used someone telling them to STF up.

Well, it didn't work on the 30-40 somethings in front of us......

The height of their idiocy came about a half hour into the 2nd set when the friend of the most obnoxious guy (he yells "AM I out of control yet?" at one point) says to me, "Hey, you spilled beer on my shirt." "No I didn't" "DON'T PUSH ME!" I am admonished.....
"dude, I haven't had a beer in ten years (well one time, but do I need to explain to this guy?), I DIDN'T DO IT, you want me to go get security & I'll tell them you haven't shut up for 2 hours? It was someone in our seats at break, my wife threw them out when we returned & the floor was soaked."
"Oh, sorry"

These guys wouldn't shut up, 100 "WUUUUUUUU's", whipping his shirt around, blowing smoke in our faces......
No wonder I'm ready to pack it in.

After 3 nights in Philly.

See You there.

Milestones.

We get to see an improvisational music band that plays fuckin' MILESTONES!!!!

There was this drunken asshole standing int he aisle next to us during unbroken chain that kept yelling, "Phil! Whooo!". I guess he jsut wanted to clue Phil in to who he was in case he forgot. Then he looked to his left and started yelling, "Rob Barraco! Whooo!"

great all around show---my first since the warfield run....definately didnt top those shows but a B+ regardless

got into the lot around 6ish---very--very mellow...took a small stroll, again very mellow, not much of a shakedown.

got into the venue @7....as i was walking in a fairly straight looking girl offered us chocolated which i passed but my friend took two---gave me one which i munched....BE WARNED!!!!! now i have a high tolerance so i wa cool but when you sell chocalates and claim that there mushrooms but it is actually 'molly', i have a problem. once the 'waves' set in i knew exaclty what i had been dosed with....anyway

band starts late---into keep on growing- not my favorite but its good to hear rob sing

FOTD---i can hear phil bringing this a mile away- always love the harmonies w/warren and rob on the chorus--a bit of an EQ problem on the vocals but a nice rendition
Milestones---Sweet!!! these guys can play!!!! dont know of to many bands that can pull that one off--
Liberty--again not one of my favs and i always question why phil decided to record this one??
Soulshine---never get tired of this one. im a true warren fan, ive heard better and worse. great trading licks by warren and jimmy
US Blues----things were getting hairy for me at this point. again(getting tired of sayin this) not my fav song...for some reason 3/4 of GD shows i saw they played this, while all the time i hoping for something else(encore)...good crowd pleaser
Set break---see a few people but not to many familar faces---

2nd set
king solomons----man these boys can play...love jimmys sound throughout the song
good loving---save this for bands that only know three chords....i found myself thinking about this all night---from milestones to liberty--than king solomons to good loving...like two different band--here we go from complex peices to three chord standards---dare i say that the band is really beyond some of these songs???
welcome to the underground----great warren song, was hoping for th real thing but this we'll do.
deal---ill take it anyday, not sure what all the complaints are about...i enjoyed phil singing this and though it didnt hit some of the cresendos that garcia would have hit---too fucking bad this isnt garcias band people...if you want to hear garcia rip it me B&P stands for 9-5-89 JGB
watchtower---another three chord stomper but the real drive behind this is phils bass...he really pounds this fucker!!!! warren and jimmy peeled of some sweet solos---warren killing one in particular
St stephen---i knew this one was do.....time to put this on the back shelf for a while...i understand why garcia put this away for years--they play it too much!!!! ten years ago i would have drowned myself for making a comment like that!!
Morning dew---had a feeling this was coming our way-----blah blah blah stop crying that this wasnt the way jerry did it. some people still dont get it, do they???....guess it doesnt matter anyway...now does it???
UNbroken chain----just close my eyes and listen to phil end it with: la da da da la da da da da....laaaa...laaaa...laaaaaaaaaaa...phil cant sing???
lovelight---another stomper...got the crowd pumped up

encore of loose lucy??? i will have to say there choice of encores have been really lacking so far---can you say celebration 9/26?
but i have to find a copy of this show asap!!!! was it me or did rob sound so much like jerry it was uncanny???

Have fun in philly, ill see you guys at the beacon!!!

>>watchtower---another three chord stomper

Actually, two chords.

1)Am 2)G 3)F is three chords

G is a passing chord and is not really part of the chord structure of the song. The chord structure is Am - F.

Friend to me, on Tuesday morning: "I'm looking for a surprise breakout tune tonight". Me to friend: "A breakout tune for me would be a Morning Dew with WARREN singing". I love P&F and unlike a lot of folks I have generally never had a problem with Phil's singing. They could never sing another word and I'd still gladly see them. That said, I've never been able to handle Phil singing Morning Dew and I've always thought that Warren could more than do it justice. It's been a set-downer for me every time. I am thrilled that Phil finally decided to turn over the reins. Not sure why they didn't "finish it off right" but had I been there I think I would have been so thrilled to hear Warren sing it that I would have overlooked the weak ending.

lets agree to disagree on that one

I agree with Bucky on the Dew. It must have a closing cresendo that spirals upward into a a massive resolve with "I guess it doesn't matter anywaaaaaayyyyyy." "crunch"

To Cary K or sweet magnolias, no one, I mean no one, will ever perform Morning Dew better than Jerry. It is simply not possible. They might want to drop this tune from their repertoire (sp) No one will ever do it justice.

I am not a huge fan of warren's singing, but he and Jimmy displayed some nice exchanges with licks and his Soulshine was nice a bit more reggae tempo than I remember. No? Yes?

Highlight for me was Milestones and King Solomon's Marbles--so tight.

A good show with some nice jams, but I think I am getting too old for this stuff. I am glad to see that everyone enjoys themselves and that the music is being made. have fun.

Sean: Soulshine was retooled for being played by P&F...probably because Warren plays it in all three bands, so he's gotta have it a little differently, otherwise it gets boring.

So many reviews of this show.....that East coast crew not to shy to voice there opinion....LOVE THAT....so many saying the show was great and others saying it was not. With so many differing views had to listen to the stream.

Well unfortunately the quality of stream seems to be very poor. Can barely here Jimmy 1/2 the time. Now having said that.....will say the Deal did not impress and well to be polite will leave it at that.......but on the other side of the coin the watchtower>steven was ripping... Hearing Morning Dew with Warren on vocals was nice but really lacked drive/punch/enthusiasms. The Unbroken Chain was fair at best. Love lite was a a ripper.


So there you go folks......Hope tonights show fills the void and if it does not.....well.....You can always listen to:

9/25...9/26...9/27...


Adios Amigo

Jonas......after listening to this show......having been to the warfield myself for all 3....are you sure the "chocolates" did not alter your cognitive process just a little bit?

It is obvious to me that not a one of you is a musician nor
knows anything about communal jamming.
when you are in the moment, many streams can take you.
Because the jamming on one version is not up to your liking has nothing to do with intent. everything is in developement. Just embrace it all and it will pay many dividends.

Sideshowbob....you chose your words very well. You should be in polotics!!!

Adios amigo

Ginny.....I wish I had your musical ear and unique insight .....but unfortunately I am just an average PHAN. In respect to your comments they do make sence...kind of.

"Intent" with out cohesive expression and interpersonal harmony on stage is like having sex with yourself....fun for the individual but boring to the audiance. And if you want a good "dividend" buy General Electric . It trades on the NYSE and the symbol is GE.

And in respect to "embracing" it all.. Get a grip!!!

Have a nice day!


Adios Amigo

No, not sex with yourself, sex with the entire audience.
You can't honestly say that every time you have sex you achieve the same heights. Same thing. One night fireworks, the next snooze fest. What keeps us coming back for more? Ginny

I've got a great grip! No, not sex with yourself, sex with the entire audience. One night fireworks, next night snooze fest. What keeps us coming back for more? ginny

OK Ginny.....so on that basis we will reserve the last row top balcony for you and your harem where you can have not only communal sex but a good "snooze" at your discretion ..... while the rest of us "get off" on the "groove" created by the "Q".

Take care and Adios Amigo

Thanks for the reviews everyone. I actually didn't read them all, so forgive me if this was addressed, but: Phil's niece did the donor rap/intros? how old was she? was she hot? just curious. thanks ...

It's just so incredibly exciting to know that Phil apparently has realize his vocal limitations and has cut back on it. For a while now, I've thought this is the best band around, and possibly (esp. after 7/21/01) the best band I've ever seen (including 50 Dead shows '83 - '95). And I've always thought that the one thing that would make them 100 times better is if Phil would stop singing the fast Jerry tunes like Eyes and Franklin's - which I couldn't stand when he sang them solo, and absolutely love now that Rob's in the mix; and if Phil would stop singing most of the Jerry ballads, especially Dew. Warren brings so much sould to Stella and Wharf Rat that I always imagined him doin' the Dew would be absolute magic. Sounds like the missed it on the jam, but jesus, I hope they stick with it and continue this new trend away from Phil's vox!

Phil actually says, after U.S. Blues, "don't forget it's your country too. Chew on that while we take a break."

I was braced not to enjoy Dew on the live feed after reading the negative comments here -- but I thought it sounded just fine even without the rave up. Maybe it helped that I was braced to hear a different ending -- to me it had a nice delicacy to it.

10/15/00 is being bandied about. nice long show. enjoyed it. but the dew really wasn't anything special. remember it as rather mellow bordering on flat--no buildup, no climax at all. (not even much heavy breathing.) just kind of ended. not a version i was ever real interested in hearing since the show and i never have. certainly not a version that would singlehandedly ever make one a convert.

>>>It was someone in our seats at break, my wife threw them out when we returned & the floor was soaked."
"Oh, sorry"

1,000 pardons, Buck, but if you're talking about that lower riser section in front of Warren, I'm afraid that was us...We thought those seats were "open" -- no t-shirts or packs, and no one said anything. (Good seats, btw! Loud and dynamic there). We weren't drunk, far from it, we just kicked over a brew, that's all. But I know from our seats at Giants Stadium how annoying it is, a sticky floor and wet clothes...

We have to stop meeting like this. I was the dude with the "Bugs Bunny smile," darting in and out ("Excuse me...Pardon me"), who spilled beer on you back at the Roseland in 2001. We're NOT drunks/rowdy types but just appreciate the music, like you. We like to be close; how do you think we were dead center at the Warfield for JGB every time?

>>>>>>>>It is obvious to me that not a one of you is a musician nor
knows anything about communal jamming.


Ouch Ginny. Im really hurt by that. I guess by insulting me and a few other stellar musicians that attended this show, you proved your point that our SUBJECTIVE OPINIONS are indeed worthless and should be kept to ourselves. WTF was I thinking.....

P.S. Before anyone jumps on me for the above post, we get to where we get to, whether it be at shows, the Super Bowl, World Series, etc. using very creative means, AND ALWAYS with common courtesy and a consideration of others. No pushing, shoving or trampling.

I would also agree w/the above characterization of "delicate" to describe last night's Dew. I never cared for Jerry's one-note "fanning" at the end, quite honestly, although I realize to most Deadheads it is a peak. I prefer the more intricate, super-fast flurrying of notes like in Scarlet>Fire, Playing, Supplication, et al. To hear Dew done in a different, quieter fashion, with Warren singing, was okay to me, and was another example of how they're changing things up.

Althea, did you park next to a gray caravan (heavily stickered) from VT? ....I have a feeling I saw you....

Katie, really now, enough about dumb Ratdog fans. I happen to be hugely into Ratdog, and find your comments about my Bobby-brethren to be a tad on the *childish* side. At least the dreadie can wash that stink off, you however are stuck with your stinkie personality...

Show was good, not great, but lots o' fun. Anyone else see Rob waving someone backstage...

Seems that Ruby hooked Zoners up in the same area, or just quite a coincidence...I was in mid-orch level D.

>>>Do they really have to jam out on the Dew because you think so?

Uh....YEP!
LOL

Like Bucky said...listen to ANY Dead Show from say '72 on...including the most INCREDIBLE "Morning Dew" of 'em all...5/8/77...and what pushes 'em over the top?
That last instrumental...which goes from an "Apocalyptic Silence"...to a "Phoenix rising from the Ashes"...and then some.
The 5/8/77 last Instrumenmtal is a FULL FIVE MINUTES long.
Crescendo after crescendo after crescendo after crescendo.
BREATHTAKING!

Otherwise...Hell, I had a GREAT time.
GOT to RRRRRRRRRROCK out with some ol' Phriends..Fritz, Bos, Daydream, Jill, Philophile, PuckeweDan...met some I've only communicated with here..Sharon, Lost Sailor Dan, Mike Pace...they played "St. Stephen"...as they SHOULD whenever Bucky and I are there (LOL)...and what more can you REALLY ask for?

The Unbroken Chain of Good Vibes f**kin' RRRRRRRRRRULES!

Oh Yeah...

Hey Snooey?
Bake some more Cookies!!!!!

tracy: the problem wasnt that they were Bobby fans...shit, the both of us like Bobby...the problem was they wouldnt shut about about how Bobby was better, and for a lack of a better term, were screaming song lyrics badly off key, IN OUR EARS. If Bobby is so much better, then I wonder why they werent at a Bobby gig somewhere.

As for the wookie lookin' kid....he nearly caused an asthma attack, and that was without all the smoke he was exhaling. he was rank.

Georgie 1..you and Bucky have to stop meeting that way..WTF..Are you stalking him..??.. I thought I was only stalker on board..

Key..Bucky mafia..leaner meaner jam lovin machiner..

"Crescendo after crescendo after crescendo after crescendo..BREATHTAKING.." what I heard on tele last nights alligator jam..

>>>"Crescendo after crescendo after crescendo after crescendo..BREATHTAKING.." what I heard on tele last nights alligator jam..

LOL...
Then "Buckamania" was runnin' WILD in the Streets from that one, GDad!

Sounds like a great show!!!!
Thanks for all the reviews.....

Krazy Kat peeking through a lace bandana
like a one-eyed Cheshire
like a diamond-eyed jack
A leaf of all colors plays
a golden string fiddle
to a double-e waterfall over my back

show was brilliant - AND - available at bt.etree.org

>>>Katie, really now, enough about dumb Ratdog fans. I happen to be hugely into Ratdog, and find your comments about my Bobby-brethren to be a tad on the *childish* side. At least the dreadie can wash that stink off, you however are stuck with your stinkie personality...

So you consider it appropriate for two grown men, standing/sitting next to each other to have a screamed conversation throughout EVERY song? I don't care if they were fans of Bobby or Phish or freaking Elvis - there's no reason to be rude to those around you by yelling through the ENTIRE show. Unfortunately it's hard to hear the music when morons are screaming to each other.

I don't have any problems with Ratdog or Bobby - the man is one of the best rhythm guitar players I know of. Surely I'm not insulting him or his band by stating that the drunken fools behind us were ruining the experience for many in our area by screaming and yelling constantly. They just happened to be Bobby fans.

If you feel such behavior is appropriate or respectful of others, then I wonder which one of us has the "stinkie" personality.

Katie, I hear ya. Drunk and obnoxious folks ruin it for many. I just thought it was a bit harsh on the Bobby fans. No offense meant, man. Sorry...

Tracy,
I wasn't driving that night; was a passenger, and didn't pay attn to who was next to us, but I do remember that we were kinda far back to the left of the venue up the stairs to second level of parking, if that helps! Rats, wish youd'a said hi!

Man, Sharon, I just looked at pics on here, and you and I were parked next to eachother, I think. We were also parked in that area, I was wearing a purple pullover and Scott is really tall with long hair and a beard...

Sorry I didn't say hi. I thought you looked familiar but couldn't place you. Being from Wallingford, I figured I knew you from town somehow. So sorry.

I will be so kind to offer copy's of my Wallingford,MASTER> 2 md421'2>d7 @44,100hz>CDR as TRADES only!!!! NO B+P'S,dont ask.IM looking for other tour nights and 03 related shows...thanks MULETAPER@AOL.COM

I LOOOOVED Warren on Dew, brought tears to my eyes. Soulful & heartfelt. It was just perfect for me. Loved the show. Don't exactly care what they play, just thrilled to see them. Maybe I'm just not critical enough. They blow my mind everytime I see/hear them.

WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY TOO MANY ANNOYING SLOPPY STINKIN DRUNKS however. That would be my only complaint.
Unlike Althea however, at least the drunks in our section were a little more polite and considerate & did not spill anything on us. But last time at the Oakdale (maybe Oct '01) we got a direct hit from a whole pitcher of beer from the balcony above us. YUCK!!!! But ya still can't smoke. Go figure.

Overall, last time was also gestapo-ville. They were just downright mean & relentless assholes. This time however, they certainly lightened up ALOT and all was very cool & atmosphere very enjoyable.

"Id much prefer a show full of puffers to the oblivious a- hole beer swillers"
Amen!

FYI- not all 30-40 somethings are frat-boy-a-holes. Hang with me for a show and you wont hear a peep other than a gentle "you want summa this?"

Glad yall had fun!

'But ya still can't smoke. Go figure. '
we were puffin kind blunts the whole night w/security standing at the end of our aisle. she did ask my wife to put it away i looked at her(sec) smiled she smiled and never said another word
its was fairly quite in lower orch were i was sitting,..looking around the place it looked like a lot of freebie tix, uninterested people who obviuolsy arent there for the music , consuming mass amounts of of asshole juice...i just listened to the show and all i hear is people talking, screaming etc.. im not a taper am not a good source but was that not the worst place for a tapers section????? man , phil if you can spare a soundboard that would be the one..aud tapes of the warf are sweet!!

saw 2 seperate nitrous sellers on the way out at the end of the night, too. fuckin' rediculous.

After the 3 days in Boston and a fantastic final show, I was tired for
Oakdale. I don’t remember too many 4 day straight shows, especially ones I
worked during the day then went right to the shows and onstage the band
seemed a tad tired too.

The theater was a cross between an outdoor shed and a wide auditorium for
plays. The sound was the poorest of the 3 venues I saw. The theater was
clean and had TVs everywhere, but the bathrooms so you could continue to
enjoy the show while getting a beverage or snack.

I spent most of the show watching the large screens beside the stage, I
don’t doubt this will be a video at some point in the future like the
Camden one from 2002. lot’s of cheesy video effects like the View from the
vault releases though.

November 26, 2003
Oakdale Theater
Wallingsford, CT

Set 1:
Jam>
Keep On Growing>
Jam>
Friend Of The Devil>
Spacey Jam>
Milestones>
Liberty
Soulshine
U.S. Blues

Set 2:
King Solomon's Marbles
Good Lovin'>
Welcome To The Underground>
Jam>
Deal>
Jam>
All Along The Watchtower>
Spacey Jam>
St. Stephen>
Morning Dew>
Unbroken Chain>
Lovelight

E: Loose Lucy

The highlight for me was Keep on Growing. Everything was well played even
if it was noticeably more sedate then the night before in Boston.
A rastafied Soulshine was interesting but this song is one I hear almost
every time I see Warren and I was glad this was my only one of the run.
By the time St. Stephen came around I was already looking forward to my
first full night of sleep in 4 days. The Morning Dew was okay, Warren did
the vocal but it’s still the Phil arrangement and doesn’t have the big
finish ending with “I guess it doesn’t matter anyway”, to me this is one of
the most important parts of the song and without it they might as well have
played any ballad with equal results.

Okay, I'm the "wookie" that sharon/althea wrote about who got kicked out for flipping off the usher. I know I was wrong doing that and deserved to be kicked out, but now I've been accused of throwing my beer at the soundboard and have to go to court. If you saw what actually happened you know I didn't really do that. I feel terrible that beer got on the soundboard, and I would never do that to Phil! I'm not saying I'm completely without fault here, but I don't think I should get sent up the river for the actions of an overzealous usher. I had every right to be in the platinum box seat, I had tickets to be there. That usher had been giving me a hard time all first set, maybe he thought I shoulldn't have been there but he never asked to see my ticket. I deserved to get thrown out of the show, but c'mon...disorderly conduct and 1st degree mischief for giving an usher the finger? that's not right! if you agree and would be kind enough to try and help me out of this jam, please drop me a line. thanks!

By Cary Krosinsky (Sweet_magnolias) on Wednesday, December 03, 2003 - 02:40 pm: Edit Post
what a statement by Phil at the end of the 1st set at Wallingford - "Don't forget - It's Our Country too - chew on that a while while we take a break".

They don't call the song US Blues for nothing!

Anyone else have a take on this?

Has Phil made similar comments in the past?

Ending with Liberty ("Freedom" - Leave me alone, gonna find my own way home), Soulshine, and US Blues ("summertime come and gone, my oh my") - represents quite a statement.




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By Richie Nagan (Negman) on Wednesday, December 03, 2003 - 02:52 pm: Edit Post
Phil is totally anti-Bush and is urging us to think about the direction the country is heading in and telling us that it's our country and we should use our voices to vote and protest. He's said this at a few shows this tour and the band has also given the clenched fist "Power to the People" salute at the end of sets/shows.



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By brad (Payne) on Wednesday, December 03, 2003 - 03:46 pm: Edit Post
phil is so freakin smart and the power is in many common people. our country too !



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By GAFred (Orlandodead) on Wednesday, December 03, 2003 - 07:48 pm: Edit Post
("Freedom" - Leave me alone, gonna find my own way home)

gotta love the Libertarians view!!!



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By Adam Gittman (Weluvdead) on Saturday, December 06, 2003 - 10:49 am: Edit Post
Just remember
The terrorist dont want you to Enjoy
this forum and Phils Music

They want you dead (and they will be Grateful to do it)

Then ask yourself what we should do to stop terrorism

Come up with a better idea
Chew on that






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By Puff (Puff) on Saturday, December 06, 2003 - 11:19 am: Edit Post
come up with a better idea?? what EXACTLY is the idea we're working with now? you're right in that its awfully easy to criticize but come on . . . fighting terrorists is not the same as invading Iraq (or Afghanistan for that matter) so don't muddle the issue . . .



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By Adam Gittman (Weluvdead) on Saturday, December 06, 2003 - 11:41 am: Edit Post
fighting terrorists is not the same as invading Iraq (or Afghanistan for that matter) so don't muddle the issue . . .


Your muddleing the issue where do the live in SOHO (non New Yorkers A Neighboorhood in Manhattan)








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By Anita Bonghitt (Jillluvsphil) on Sunday, December 07, 2003 - 11:18 am: Edit Post
that statement made me smoke pot with more conviction for the rest of the night!



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By mark merolli (Cherise) on Sunday, December 07, 2003 - 11:48 am: Edit Post
this whole debate is about the battle of two evils. dubya just happens to be the leader of the lesser evil. while i think he has done a pretty lousy job with respect to the economy (no worse than clinton, who helped to repeal the glass steagal act, which sowed the seeds for the bubble), in fact he finally did his first smart thing the other day by repealing the steel tariffs he put into place. the reality is the economy he inherited was in horrendous shape, very similar to years somewhere between 1929 and 1971. that cetainly was not his fault. what is his fault is the way him and greenspan have fought the unwinding of the bubble. if these tricks actually work long term it will be the first time in history a post bubble economy got away with a 9 month recession. the solutions, however, would assuredly lose him the next election. keeping rates higher, not cutting taxes, shutting worldcom down, not loaning to the airlines, etc. its called creative destruction and is a cornerstone of capitalism and him and greenspan have been fighting it every step of the way and that is WRONG WRONG WRONG!

on the other front, what are you supposed to do? either we take it to them or they take it to us, immho. this is the ugly side of life, and like abortion and a few other issues there is no clear black and white answer. it is a war of two evils, but we are no doubt the lesser evil. so does that mean we are more important? nope it just means our way of life supports more personal freedoms and that is BETTER. i also tend to think that a high majority of the citizens in iraq and afghanistan are very happy we went in, arent thier lives worth bettering? no doubt this country has done many many things to invite this terrorism and it makes none too proud to be an american at times(dont get me started on the american indian subject, its like are there german soccer teams named the whatever kikes? whats the difference?), but the other side wants me, you and pretty much free thinking people dead. not to believe that is ignorant, just look at the way the treat women in the name of religion. so im in the camp that sure as hell would rather support peace, but am realistic enough to realize not to attack invites more attacks here. when its all said and done this whole problem is about organized religion, and until we just get rid of that concept we are going to have these problems and possibly end humanity over religion. when humans, as a whole, become agnostic and admit that who knows what happens when you take dirt nap, that is when this stupidity can stop. not till then, and i think its gonna be a long long time before the world becomes agnostic.



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By steve (Ptbarnum) on Sunday, December 07, 2003 - 04:38 pm: Edit Post
Unfortunately invading/liberating Iraq seems like it will make for more terrorism, not less.

Make us less safe instead of more safe.

Afghanistan was a different case.



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By mark merolli (Cherise) on Monday, December 08, 2003 - 07:35 am: Edit Post
i think its just a matter of time, months/years before something happens here that makes 9/11 look small.

if the first dubya just would have finished the job after iraq invaded kuwait, we wouldnt be stuck in this mess.

i dont agree with the timing in iraq, but again i look at this like a cancer. saddam is a major funder/supporter of terrorism and needed to be ousted. just like chemo the solution is not pretty, but thats not say we should not have waited longer/ or done back in 91.



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By Richie Nagan (Negman) on Monday, December 08, 2003 - 08:21 am: Edit Post
>>if the first dubya just would have finished the job after iraq invaded kuwait, we wouldnt be stuck in this mess.

What the hell did Iraq have to do with 9/11?



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By weepingwillow (Weepingwillow) on Monday, December 08, 2003 - 10:36 am: Edit Post
Iraq had absolutely nothing to do with 9/11, Richie.

But you would never know that when taking a poll of those who choose to listen to the right-wing propaganda machines, such as Fox News.

lw



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By Dean (Deano) on Monday, December 08, 2003 - 01:54 pm: Edit Post
Phil said something like Take back your country, It's our country too, vote in 2004, at the Tower.


Guess the real question is. Are you in favor of a ultra right leaning non representative government that caters to the rich or are you in favor of a representative government that looks out for the average American and seeks to work with other countries and not alienate our country from the rest of the world?

Better yet are you in favor of a short sighted administration that seeks solutions through violent means or are you in favor of a nation that seeks out peace and justice via peaceful means that doesn't anger everyone but it's own self serving supporters who walk around as if they're the messiahs themselves? Little spooky isn't it?

We're putting people to death in this country using laws that were created due to the 9/11 attacks. Geeee....how easy it will be in a few years to stretch the anti-terrorism laws to say maybe go after demonstrators? Farfetched? Right now, yes. Impossible? Not at all.





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By KT (Ktmae) on Monday, December 08, 2003 - 03:09 pm: Edit Post
>>>We're putting people to death in this country using laws that were created due to the 9/11 attacks.

Must have missed this one. Was it on Pay Per View?




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By Dean (Deano) on Monday, December 08, 2003 - 04:45 pm: Edit Post
talkin bout the DC snipers........not dead yet....sorry

so I'm getting carried away a little bit but still there is some concern that such laws are and will be used in such a way that totally goes off course from what they were intended for.



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By mark merolli (Cherise) on Monday, December 08, 2003 - 05:38 pm: Edit Post
if we ousted saddam back in 1991 we could be totally concentrated on afghanistan, and al queda.

to not think the former government of iraq supported terrorism is living in a land where the sky is yellow and the sun is blue.

not that im a big dubya fan, am not, but i think the democtrats are even a bigger joke.

no one bust on clinton and gore for letting the biggest financial bubble in the world get out of control. who was running the show when enron and worldcom pulled on their stunts? who signed into law the repulsion of the glass steagal act?

democrats /republicans whats the differnce.
id vote for r nader, even though i dont agree with much of his thesis. he is a vote against the two party system that invites so much hate from the rest of the world.

the root of all evil is money and organized religion. we have to have money thats just the facts (communism looks great on paper but humans are humans and that makes communism not possible in this world). organized religion i think we would be much better off getting rid of all organized religion and becoming agnostic as a society



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By steve (Ptbarnum) on Monday, December 08, 2003 - 09:43 pm: Edit Post
Mark....

I think Bin Laden suckered us into going into Iraq. And we bought in hook, line and sinker. Just makes a better recruiting environment for him.

We probably should have stopped at Afghanistan. There's still a lot of work to be done there. Not that we should get out of Iraq at this point, we've gone to far for that unfortunately.

The reason Bush Sr. didn't take Hussein out at the time was that he didn't like the exit strategy, and foresaw how difficult it would be.

Its not that taking out Hussein wasn't at least partly a noble cause, its just that its a very dangerous course, especially when we have to do it practically by ourselves, along with the few others we can bully into joining us. Dangerous because we'll be perceived as invaders, not liberators, by a huge number of people, no matter how good our intentions are. That perception is something we have very little control of in the short run.

And our intentions actually seem pretty suspect. Many of the hawks in the administration seem to have just been looking for a chance to show our force in the Mideast, plant a few more bases there, etc. Some of them have been trying to do this since well before 9/11. This just turned into a convenient excuse.

And maybe the real problem isn't so much organized religion as it is the American military industrial complex. At least that's what Eisenhower warned us about in his presidential farewell speech, that flaming peacenik.

Anyway, just my opinion...

And I wouldn't presume to speculate on what Phil Lesh's politics are, just because he encourages us to be more involved in our own democracy. But, hopefully he'll continue to speak mainly through his music, which maybe resonates a little deeper than these opinions. Mine included.

Political discussions like these can get very divisive very fast. Maybe its a cliche, but music crosses lots of barriers. Pulls together a diverse group of people into something of a community, at least for that night in that place. And that can be a pretty powerful thing. In other words, I hope he sticks to his gift of being able to do that, and keeps his political opinions discrete.



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By mark merolli (Cherise) on Tuesday, December 09, 2003 - 07:33 am: Edit Post
well said!

i dunno about you but once i knew dubya was going to be prez i told a few close friends "how soon before we invade iraq?" lucky guess, i suppose.

no doubt the exit strategy was bad in 91 and worse now, but the enemy is SO CRAZY (and im not being spoon fed by fox, i hate fox, look at www.debka.com for good info on the mid east), what should we do at this point? its 2003 and nuclear technology is probably already or very close to becoming a reality with these freaks. its a harsh reality (and we deserve some of this hatred no doubt) but immho we take the battle to them or they are gonna take it to us. bin laden, hussein, etc cant really plan a whole lot and be proactive while the baddest of the baddest are hunting them down one by one.

hindsight is a beautiful thing.

agreed bigtime on the music thing.

religion was around a long time before the american military complex. priets were banging women and young boys in the middle ages. i say throw out the bible and all the other books, write new a book using the lyrics from hunter and barlow and start a new religion called "live the golden rule and hope for the best when you die"

then we could spend some time energy and money fixing the real problem, the post bubble economy. this is my backround(finance) and i am so freaked by what washington has done with this economy. lets fix a bubble by creating three more (housing, debt, consumer spending)! this is gonna end ugly and the stuff im looking at may not come home to hurt us for yrs, but no doubt the us economy is very much like a heroin addict and the longer you put off rehab the worse the withdrawl is gonna be.

out of all the present candidates i think gephart is the only one who has a clue on the economy, and that seems to more luck than smarts.

if i could pick i would pick arnold with warren buffett on the backside. they would probably only be around for 4 yrs, but they would make the right decisions even thought like 80% or more of the public would think what they are doing is nuts. what kills me the most is we just watched what happens to a big economy after a bubble burts, JAPAN. they have been in a 13 yr malaise that finally may be ending. and the reason they finally might be headed in the right direction,is the government let a lot of bad debt be written off and companys who should have been shut down 13 yrs ago, finally stopped getting government funding.

the biggest fiasco of the current admin is not iraq, that is question with no easy answer. the biggest blunder is allowing worldcom to come out of chapter 11 virtually debt free. basically saying to everyone "whoever lies cheats and steals the most,is the big winner" now worldcom gets to compete against all their competitors, except all those competitors still have 30 and 40 billion in debt while worldcom has about 5. so instead of shit canning 50 thousand people at worldcom, we are jeopardizing another million jobs at the bells and at&t. very similar to iraq in 91, the exit is no fun (50k losing their jobs), but look where we are now. afghanistan, iraq, and all over the place, spread pretty thin.

fwiw



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By Billy Blastoff (Billyray) on Tuesday, December 09, 2003 - 08:51 am: Edit Post
I'm pretty sure the Enron criminals will, for the most part, walk. Kenny Lay most assuredly bought himself a pardon with his massive campaign contributions to GW in 2000. Can he be pardoned if he has not been to court yet?

*****democrats /republicans whats the differnce.*****

Correct. It is not "Right v. Left" it is "Up v. Down" of "Rich v. Poor". Does the 'American Dream' exist? Think about it. How many very powerful people do you hang out with?

While questioning the American Dream think about Free Speech. The campaign finance reform was squashed in Court. Judge Decreed capping amount an individual can contribute impedes their right to free speech. Not to oversimplify - but, How can speech be free if you can buy it?

*****Geeee....how easy it will be in a few years to stretch the anti-terrorism laws to say maybe go after demonstrators? Farfetched? Right now, yes. Impossible? Not at all. *****

Why so far fetched right now? The FBI already has a no fly list made up of anti war activists. They won't say what criteria they used and won't remove people from the list. How many times can one person be profiled before you say "Phuck it. I ain't phlying to the show." The Patriot Act and the portions of Patriot II that are being implemented without fanfare or public knowledge are changing the role of the people and the police RIGHT NOW. This is a Fascist regime. We have a higher percentage of people in prison than any other country in the world. RIGHT NOW you can be arrested and held with no charges being levied. You... you,you,you,you and YOU can simply dissapear. Poof. The people being "held" in GitMo are in a concentration camp. It is what it is.

It will be very difficult to get the International Community to rally 'round our cause. The United States is the result of 225 years of ongoing revolution. Ongoing is key.




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By Dean (Deano) on Tuesday, December 09, 2003 - 10:21 am: Edit Post
Billy,

Thanks for extending the argument with facts.

Maybe off the mark but speaking of rights, personally the whole drug testing just so someone can get a job is such an outright assault on your personal freedom and yet many looking for employment just give up their rights either because they feel it OK or they have no choice. Have to eat and pay the bills. The practice of drug testing prior to employment is illegal in Canada unless you're a convicted felon.


I know, "effin left winged pot smoker who just wants to keep puffin". Maybe,maybe not. I just know when my rights are being trampled on. Luckily, I'm self employed so I don't have to worry about it, well atleast not yet. America, where if you want many well paying jobs, you must first prove that you're not a drug user. Innocent until proven guilty? And you're not even on trial just trying to get a job. It's an assault on free thinking individuals and the public in general. What is it anyone's business if you decide to puff on a Saturday night. Where does that have any effect on your job performance, unless ofcourse you work on Saturday nights. It doesn't! It's simply a way to try and control individuals behavior. Corporate America wants you to get in line and stay there where you belong. Makes life easier on them.

If Ben Franklin was around today he'd probably be front and center of a Phil show trying to catch a puff off a joint and cursing the security who wants to kick him out for doing so. My other guess is that Mr. Washington be right there with him waiting for a toke of his own. But honestly, the point is not the right to imbibe but the right to privacy.

Guess I'm just realizing I'm one of those left wingers that Americans are being told are such horrible people. Guess I'm a horrible person. Oh well. Guess good people lie to people and take away their rights to get what they want and mask it in righteousness.

Just my 2 cents.



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By Richie Nagan (Negman) on Tuesday, December 09, 2003 - 11:06 am: Edit Post
>>Can he be pardoned if he has not been to court yet?

Yes. Ford pardoned Nixon.

>>And I wouldn't presume to speculate on what Phil Lesh's politics are, just because he encourages us to be more involved in our own democracy.

Well, Phil did sign the Not In Our Name statement.



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By CHAUNCHE (Qwesauncho) on Saturday, December 13, 2003 - 02:00 pm: Edit Post
Does Phil really hate Bush?



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By dyer o'connor (Dyerwolf) on Saturday, December 13, 2003 - 02:19 pm: Edit Post
>>>Does Phil really hate Bush?<<<


Take a wild guess.



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By Richie Nagan (Negman) on Saturday, December 13, 2003 - 02:41 pm: Edit Post
>>Does Phil really hate Bush?

Is the bear catholic? Does the Pope shit in the woods?

I don't know if Phil hates Bush - he hasn't, to my knowledge said, "I hate Bush", but he did sign the Not In Our Name statement. I don't know if I hate Bush. I probably do, but wish I didn't because I try not to hate.

Peace love & joy

Richie



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By mark merolli (Cherise) on Sunday, December 14, 2003 - 08:35 am: Edit Post
WE GOT EM (saddam)

and the world is a better place for it.

i just hope they show him the southpark movie like 20 times, but hell probably like it!



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By Dean (Deano) on Wednesday, December 17, 2003 - 03:34 pm: Edit Post
Doesn't it seem a little strange that Saddam didn't burn those "important documents" in his "briefcase" while the soldiers were "digging him out of his rat hole"?

Guess he was too busy putting that "fake beard" on.



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By Adam Gittman (Weluvdead) on Thursday, December 18, 2003 - 07:27 am: Edit Post
He was also caught with a pistol
Why didnt he shoot himself