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i hate u all who r goin today its gonna be a smoker

Hey Fonz, up your nose with a rubber hose.

Is it raining at the beach?

Convention Hall, Asbury Park, NJ 12/13/09 Set 1:

What's the scene like? Any extras?

hey all..anyone have the show from Connecticut Friday night??Haven't seen in posted anywhere?????

nope, been lookin' also...

Convention Hall, Asbury Park, NJ 12/13/09 Set 1: Box Of Rain

Box
Miracle

I Need A Miracle

Thanks Rob!!!\

Bare bones PA they got there.

I.

Box,
Miracle >
Wang Dang >
TLEO,
BIODTL

who sang TLEO?

Beat It On Down The Line

TaperRob, you do so much passing this information but do you think with you're updates can you include if John sang the Garcia songs?

Thank you so much

estimated

cumberland

>>> BIODTL

Very Cool!

Are they still playing the first set?

no

Lost Sailor

set 1:
box of rain
I need a miracle
wand dang doodle
they love each other
beat it on down the line
estimated prophet
cumberland blues

that the whole set???

well now folks where has the world dropped off to?.lmao

II.

Sailor >
Saint,
Mason's,
Sugaree >
Lady With A Fan

there was a candyman before Estimated in the First

I'm listening on live365.com - #1 I miss Jerry; always will he was and always will be the deal - But this is way cool, Phil and Bobby still playing,-- TLEO, some funky back beat going down, real nice groove, like daze of old, John sounds very very good, both vocally and his guitar style. We all should be grateful for where we are in time. For this all to be (for me?), for this to be happening...still for us, do we realize the blessings bestowed? I've been on the bus since 78, and its been a blast...now BIDTL - goin down the line...but I digress. Thank your lucky stars kids, this has been happening when some of you were still shitting mustard...and It's still happening, and I can hear it from the comfort of my cushy bed; although I'd rather be there. You can be sure I'll be in Utica and Barton Hall. What a blessed life I have. To have been choosen to come into life in time to see Jerry 2 or 3 hundred times, and now they keep going with his spirt at the helm. Man.... what a blessing... Candyman....next, sheeze....what a blessed life, 7 come 11.....look out. Anyway, this is how life should be, Peace, Love, Joy, Music, Feelings beyond description. You are all my friends, and I am so glad to have been a long for the ride.... Thank You! For a real good time.

Wow, this dude John has the Jerry tones and syth shit down, wow, to cool. I'll shut up now. Be grateful you younger folk. This is a treat in time without compare. There is nothing, nothing like it.....Now Estimated, I aint in no hurry no....this is it... Take it in and please; be grateful, I am....unreal. Thank You GD, Thank You Jerry, Thank You Dead Heads.

All the vastness of time and I land here. My God, Thank You! Peace - Hoff

Hoff has it right. Good on ya, man. Very nicely put.

amazing review Hoff.. amazing..

can someone please inform me who sang Sugaree and Terrapin?

Thanks Bob Hoffman! Happy Holidaze, Gary

Listening to 1st set on 365. Amazin!! Thanks 365, zoners, taperrob, and most of all ...the boys. Can't wait for NYE!!!

"Wow, this dude John has the Jerry tones and syth shit down...Be grateful you younger folk. This is a treat in time without compare. There is nothing, nothing like it...."



I heard some sounds in CT that didn't come close to the MIDI that Garcia used to use; in fact, they sounded grating and should be put back in the box...I think some people are getting a little carried away with this whole JK thing...sure, he's a fine singer and guitarist, and I thought CT was great, but my assessment and enjoyment was certainly not a primary result of JK, by any means...

Set 2:
Lost Sailor>
Saint
Mason's Children
Sugaree
Lady With A Fan> (JK)
Terrapin Station (BW)
Help>
Slip>
Franklins

Donor Rap

E: US Blues

Not Ohficial but its real close

I must say that JK makes this the greatest Dead related effort since JG died. From top to bottom this band oroduced what I would say is my number 1 or 2 show since 1995. Phil and Friedns Maritime Hall Sanframcisco 2-18-01, Phil and Friends 11.10-11/07 and 12/12/09. For me these are my top 3 post Jerry expereinces. The music was GREAT in Wallingford and very special for me because I danced with my girl all night. Darkstar>strawbery fields>St. Stephen>eleven took the cake. Phenomenal performance.

theotherone, you'll have to meet up wit me on NYE and i'll blaze sum space queen wit cha!

set 1:
box of rain
I need a miracle
wand dang doodle
they love each other
beat it on down the line
candyman
estimated prophet
cumberland blues

Set 2:
Lost Sailor>
Saint of circumstance
Mason's Children
Sugaree
Lady With A Fan> (JK)
Terrapin Station (BW)
Help on the Way>
Slipknot>
Franklins Tower

Donor Rap

E: US Blues

** Not Ohficial but its real close

hoff in the house

Ever notice how any tour with Bobby brings out all the newbies on the review board? That's all good with me, but it is kind of interesting.

Where have you folks been for the last 10 years while Phil has been making all this great post-GD music with the various incarnations?

Hey, I guess whatever gets you to the Zone is a good enough reason. Welcome!

John (Dubstar),
Dude, I believe that, but what can you expect, JK is not Jerry, know one ever will be.... The fat man peering over his glasses, pouring evey ounce of his unfortunate junkie filled emotion into a Visions of Johanna, or The Dew at the Spectrum in 86. I saw it, I felt it, I was there, it was played for me as far as I'm concerned... You really missed the point. We were there bro.... We are here bro... Some semblence of it is still happening. Enjoy it, Phil's pushing 70, dude my Dad is 72...get it... WE GOT TO BE HERE. WE GOT TO HEAR IT, SEE IT, FEEL IT, BE IT. Grating noise coming out of a midi from a guy who is doing his best to help us reminise is bound to happen. The set list in CT was incredibile, my guess the show boardered on incredibile. Did ya have fun or did the few sounds out of the midi ruinit for ya. I can't believe I've got to help you with this. But I am because I care about you and don't event know you. The point is, is that Gid put us here to see and hear the best music that'll have ever have been played on the planet. Get with it dude. Have some fun in life. It's up to you bro. I for on will go to shows in February at 50 years old, dance my ass of and hope I don't have a heart attack from the sheer joy, pleasure, and gratitude I know I'll experience.

It's all happening for us, take it in, remeber the old daze, reminice, smile. perhaps drop a tear or 2, and say YES, I was there. Not many can say that, we can...........

Convention Hall
Asbury Park, NJ 12/13/09

Set 1:
Box Of Rain
I Need A Miracle>
Wang Dang Doodle
They Love Each Other(j)
Beat It On Down The Line
Candyman(j)
Estimated Prophet> Jam>
Cumberland Blues(a)

Set 2:
Lost Sailor>
St Of Circumstance
Mason's Children(a)>
Sugaree(b)
Lady With A Fan(j)>
Terrapin Station(b)> Jam>
Help On The Way(j)>
Slipknot!>
Franklin's Tower(p)

(Phil urges whole band onstage for bow)
Donor Rap

encore:
U.S. Blues(b)

Cryptic,
Think what you will. I was posting on the Hep C board here for years. I fell away for a few years. Thanks for the warm welcome back.

By the way, I'm a Jerry, Phil & Brent Phan; in that order.

Peace,
Hoff

What a difference a day makes. Crowd energy = 3+.

Why, especially in a town where the equipment is already set up, on a Sunday night, does the band need to play from 8:15 to 11:45? Why not 7-10:30. I just don't get it. We're not fuckin' Rock Stars. We need to go to work in the morning. Phil played some early shows on "school nights" at the Nokia. What is so hard about making it an hour or so earlier? You don't have to wait for people to get out of work, etc.

Venue was much better at getting people in to the show quicker tonight.

I would say a very well played show. I enjoyed listening to the music and watching the band interact, but it was like watching The Dead in a cemetary (in my section at least).

Ever surprising setlists. I called the Estimated after the Candyman and then the Cumberland about one minute into the estimated. It was pretty funny. Of course, I'm wrong most of the time.

set 1:
box of rain (Wasn't my Keep on Growing or Gimme Some Loving but it was fine.)
I need a miracle (had to pee)
wand dang doodle
they love each other JK Sang-nice
beat it on down the line BW fun
candyman JK solid
estimated prophet JK pretty exploratory. Well done.
cumberland blues BW (I think Phil sang a verse too). As hot as you can get with a bunch of fat graybeards sitting around watching paing dry. Tape vs. being there.

I am of the school that you get out what you put in. When a cetain critical mass of the audience just sits there and watches the band instead of rooting them on the energy is only going to go so far.

Again, I'm sure it will sound great on the tape. I'm just talking about the energy live.

Set 2:
Lost Sailor> Pretty beautifully done. A total surprise to me. Liked it muchly.
Saint of circumstance
Mason's Children (vocal clusterphuck and I think music suffered somewhat as a result)
Sugaree BW - JK is doing such a great job singing the Jerry tunes it's a crying shame to hear Bobby "interpreting" them. This one might sound OK on tape, but Bobby's idiosyncratic singing (either early or way behind the beat) makes it difficult to follow along, for the audience as well as for the band sometimes too I think. Sometimes you just want to be able to follow along and sing along and not be stressed about "is he forgetting the lyric or is he coming in late or why isn't he singing here...."

Just my personal take on it

Lady With A Fan> (JK)
Terrapin Station (BW) There was a cool jam out of terrapin that sounded like it had some Shakedown in it. I was thinking it could have gone a bunch of different ways, and for a time I thought it might go to right into Slipknot. But it went into Help. Can't wait to re-listen.

Help on the Way> JK
Slipknot>
Franklins Tower PL

Interesting, nice, well done HSF. The audience was way tired by this time. Lots had already left. Might have done more for them as an opener. Something seemed to happen before one of the last Phil verses where it seemed the energy died instead of built. Not sure what happened.

Donor Rap usually when Phil comes out there's come applause and then people quiet down for the donor rap. This time the crowd just went ape shit. I think people might have thought Springsteen was backstage or someting. I have no idea, but Phil gesticulated emphatically for the band members to come out to a rousing ovation before he did his rap.

E: US Blues BW - errr, Bobby, if you're going to fuck up so many of the verses and lyrics why not just let John sing the song?

set 2 on your live 365

^^^^ to each his own......8-12 is fine by me....Too many f in whiners.....SHOW WAS GREAT...!!!!! tons of energy...

the crowd just went ape shit. I think people might have thought Springsteen was backstage or someting.

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Huh? The crowd thought nothing of the sort. They (we) went ape shit because that was about the best these guys can play. I think some of your remarks make sense (I agree Mason's was not the monster it should have been), but overall this was one of the very few truly memorable post-Jerry shows. Definitely top 5 or better. I find it odd you not mentioning, other than strictly in passing, how terrific the Slipknot! was.

Bobby blew much fewer lyrics tonight. How does he remember Wang-Dang-Doodle's verses, but not US Blues?

I just listened to Set 1 on the way home. It really was as good as I thought hearing it live. I can't wait to hear certain other things again.

the sound board setlist

that springsteen comment is ridiculous ...the band was on fire and the crowd was showing their appreciation...you should have moved from the geritol section to the floor where the energy and sound were GREAT

Good Morning Zoners,
Well how can I begin this one? Let's just say the first set alone was more than worth the price of admission tonight.
The cold rain came to halt just before show time. I had an extra but now one was looking to buy, so I traded it for a wicked cool quartz crystal. I hope the the sister had a ball tonight.
It was much easier to get in tonight the folks had the entrance area much better organized so it was a breeze.
Once inside the vibe was much more mellow and grounded than last night.
Since I was upfront for the encore last night, I decided to go for it again. It was really loose and we were all ready to go. There was lots of friendly chat and smiles abound.
I met Taperrob and thanked him for all his great work and how we all appreciate it. He did see the set list, but I wanted no spoilers
Phil was out and about early on the stage, wearing a scarf and received loud cheers from us all.
I had a feeling the would start nearly on time and think they all came out at 8:06. Someone threw a rose up on the the stage at Bobby and he gently placed it on Phil's mike stand, which we all gave him a big cheer for doing.

Well with all the rain , it was only appropiate that we get the Box of Rain opener.
Wow it was grand and were were off. Phil was playing much louder than Saturday night and the entire band was in synch right out of the gate. I have to really give up for the drummers tonight, they were phenominal, as was Jeff with his very cool Moog synth, which I forgot to mention in my CT review.
Box was poetic and almost perfect except for a slight tempo breach at one point, but it sounded great and was received warmly.
Miracle was perfect for all those that needed them. Bobby did slightly flubbed the opening verse but quickly rebounded and this version SMOKED!!!!
Phil was sick in it, this night he came as close as I have heard to dropping some bombs. They rocked it out and everyone sang like crazy. Jeff flourished on the B3 and John really played some searing leads. Oh boy i was already in heaven, I had the slightest thought that this might head toward Bertha, but with the bluesy jam ending it went right into Wang Dang Doodle, which worked for me.
Upbeat solid version.
Then not missing a beat they immediately went right into TLEO. Boy was this a wonderful surprise. It was a perfect reading and Phil was totally digging it. Jeff took an scorching organ solo before John, and then when he passed the foot ball and John stole the show. He was fluid,confident and soared.
Phil was sooo happy after they finished it he gave a John a big shout out on stage and pointed right at him, smiling broadly.
Cool to see deeper bounds developing.

Now I know many of you will never admit your true Bob Weir feelings,at least publicly, but when they busted out BIODTL and it was played in the right upbeat tempo. It was freakin' amazing. They band soared during it and Bobby was perfect. He was animated and right on. They smoked this one and I was in dancing nirvana!
Again Phil was playing so loud it was perfect, they even did this funny little thing at the end to close it out. It also had a nice extended lead by John.
Candyman clearly demonstrated this band could do now wrong this set, it was textbook perfect and John was awesome both musically and vocally. Listen to it as Phil continued to roll.

Next another curve ball from Bobby, three in one set? I could get very used to this.
Estimated Prophet!
Bobby gave it away and the band just exploded into it. It was BRILLIANT. I mean simply this was the best one I has seen since before Jerry passed. It was that good, a couple slight Bobby slowing down the verse tempo thingys, but there was no ratdog in the sight.
I mean the chorus the guitar build up it all was just perfect and then the jam afterward. Oh was I lovin this set it was very clear they would do one more after playing it out, they shifted gears and it was not clear were they were going yet. Then right out of thin air bingo.
Double bingo!
John and Phil start playing those opening riffs and the place just exploded. This was easily one of the best moments of the 5 shows by far.
It was SMOKIN!!!!!
John was STELLAR on it. Phil was..... just forget about it listen to it ASAP!!!!
" I don't know now, I just don't
If I am going back again"
We are going back folks!!!

I danced so hard that set I need some serious carbs and had some decent hot pizza.Hung out with the Wharf Rats and went back for seconds.
The floor had filled up and it was tighter but I went back to the same spot.
The Lost sailor was very nice and was a good launching pad, drifting and dreamin', and the Saint of Circumstance was wildly received by the Jersey faithful. The ending was quite good with the chorus of
" I don't know what I am looking for"
Being sung by all.
I know some of you are cringing right now, but THAT is what you do in this song
Mason was a nice surprise, but it was not perfect, the band was aliitle off, they were not as tight as the first set, but pulled it together nicely.
The area I was at was getting alittle cramp with some guys were having too much fun so I became a vagabound for Sugaree.
Bobby sang it and did a decent job and it was good version.John smoked it up too as did Jeff.
I really do prefer this one in the 1st set.

I finally found a cool spot with some fellow dancers, back far right corner, and it was perfect timing because we were heading to nirvana once again.
This version of Terrapin was EPIC!
I mean the band was incredible and it was everything you wanted and more.
John was simply stunning in it. It had a longer intro than normal and by the time they did the sang the final chorus the place was ELECTRIC!
It was easily one of those THE moments.
Then the jam afterwards was amazing!
It was actually the only jamming of the set so far. I look forward to hearing this one again and then to go into Help on the Way?
It was almost too much... only kidding it was jaw dropping perfection.
John took the vocal reins on this one and once again we were heading for the stars.
The Slipknot! was simply one of the best I have seen in years.
It was searing and very heavy and a long jam to our final destination.
Franklin's was a flat out joyous celebration and it was very well done and Phil was great.
The entire fucking band was great as was the audience
The place simply went off the hook and I must have burned 300 calories this set alone
Man we had are cake and ate it too tonight.
When Phil came out to do his rap, we cheered so loud he couldn't even speak and opted instead to get the entire band front and center and take a bow before he spoke it his rap.

Now some ancient history, back in the day our favorite band in the world would love to have us eating out of the palm of their hands, and usuallly it was the encore, or lack of a killer encore, that always had us jonesing for more.
Well they are up to it again.
US Blues was cranking and well played, Bobby sang it and flubbed an entire verse, but I for one had higher expectations for our send off in the crisp ocean air,so for me this was the only scratch on a really great night of music.
Time to start plotting for February kids.

>>>When a cetain critical mass of the audience just sits there and watches the band instead of rooting them on the energy is only going to go so far.


I think you are assuming a lot about the energy non dancers bring as well as what encourages the band. I think the band can feel as much energy from someone who is having a deep internal experience of the music as well as they can from people who dance wildly. I have seen a lot of dancers dance out of time with the music, if I was on stage, this would be distracting... it would be like having a visual metronome that is off time going while playing.

By joe wheeler (Jerseyjoe) on Monday, December 14, 2009 - 02:34 am: Edit Post
that springsteen comment is ridiculous ...the band was on fire and the crowd was showing their appreciation...you should have moved from the geritol section to the floor where the energy and sound were GREAT


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By Ted (Stellablu122) on Monday, December 14, 2009 - 02:59 am: Edit Post

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What he said! We agree on all of it!! Like I had said in my review, one of the best shows of the last 15 years, flat-out, hands-down.

"Definitely top 5 or better."

Out of the hundreds of shows played by the various incarnations since Jerry passed on and you make this call?

I'm sure that it was great, lots of fun, etc. Get a grip folks. It's only R&R.

with John this WILL be one of the greatest post Grateful Dead incarnations by March I wouldn't be surprised if people called it the best...

I agree. After attending the Wallingford CT show it is obvious this lineup will take people places. Incredibly impressed. What a blast!

To add to what Ted & Blackie said,

I thought I died and went to heaven.

Deadhead nirvana.

I LOVE LOVE LOVE this band!!!!

I thought they were phenominal on all levels and I don't think there is a word to describe the amount of fun that was had by all.

Icing on the cake:

Brand-spankin new first night on the job security guard (young kid) who opened up the floor section that the former guard would not let us dance in and we has tons and of space and cool air from outside to boot!!! Danced to all the way to the moon. ;)


((Joe # 17))) GIVE THIS KID A RAISE!!!

Other then the beginning half of that Mason's, I felt like they took us all to church last night. Highlights were the jam out of Estimated and especially the jam at the tail end of Cumberland....and Joe Russo. He smoked all night.

Sailor>Saint was actually great. As was the Terrapin and Trilogy. We were just off the rail on the floor and sound was loud and clear and everyone was groovin'. Props to JK for no telepromter. He looked and sounded like he was in his glory.

>>Definitely top 5 or better."

But couldn't hold a candle to Mystery Box.

to 'we want phil';
maybe the crowd energy near you wasn't good but how did you miss the fact that the vast majority of the crowd was wildly into the music? i had 2 rows of people in front of me that never stood or danced but so what; i felt the energy of the other thousands; and besides, everyone enjoys the music in their own way....

Sounds like that Fake Jerry guy is the MVP of the last three shows. Without FJ Bob and Phil would sound tired and boring just like the last tour.

Just got home from NJ . Have listened to the board twice, I would add that the vocal harmonies are the weakest link of this band, hence Mason's Children.
The Help> Slipknot! is clearly a nod to the orginal version and I mean that as a compliment.

In regards to US Blues they did that Ratdog interpetation with that twist in the melody, which I don't like at all.
Between the last two night seconds sets you have a bounty of great stuff, the majority of it being in the second half.

I agree with Joe, he really inspired Phil too. Or maybe it was the other way around?

How did the Asbury shows stack up to the Wallingford show on Friday?

The second set in CT was best from start to finish,they were just so dailed in and what an ending that night too, but the second half of each Asbury's were smokin'.
I know I need to choose but I have to listen to Saturday again, LOVED that Wharf Rat and Gloria! For now Sunday is the clear #2 show.
The first set was awesome! Easily the best of the 5 shows.

please don't refer to him as FJ...

JK... John Kadlecik. Give the man some respect.

>>>JK... John Kadlecik. Give the man some respect.

Respect? Maybe now that he's been let off the leash. FJ and all things DSO have been mocked and rediculed on the Zone since day one.

I'm sure that John's ripping leads and deep knowledge and understanding of the GD catalog had absolutely nothing to do with the glowing reviews of the last three nights.

Listening to last night's show now. They Love Each Other is making me grin from ear to ear...

Phil's bands usually nail Mason's, and The Dead last year did some nice ones as well. Too bad this one was a little off (from all accounts). That one has the potential to wake up the neighbors. One of my favorite songs. Sorry for the interruption...carry on...

Out of the hundreds of shows played by the various incarnations since Jerry passed on and you make this call?

I'm sure that it was great, lots of fun, etc. Get a grip folks. It's only R&R.

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As was said, the only song they didn't fully nail was MASON'S. Every other song was a 9 out of 10 or a 10. Sorry, but I stand by what I said and this was agreed to by 2 friends who were with me and, who like me, have seen this music played live for 40 years now. Get the discs and make the call. I've already heard the playback and no question, this was top 5, at least, since Jerry took his leave.

>>As was said, the only song they didn't fully nail was MASON'S. Every other song was a 9 out of 10 or a 10. Sorry, but I stand by what I said and this was agreed to by 2 friends who were with me and, who like me, have seen this music played live for 40 years now. Get the discs and make the call. I've already heard the playback and no question, this was top 5, at least, since Jerry took his leave.

I agree,the show was SOLID....

How do you find a show on 365 (whether it is streaming live or archived)? I am new to 365 and can't seem to find any Furthur on there. Thank you!!!

Top 5 since Jerry died? Some folks are saying that the first night was better, some folks are saying that some of the crowd was leaving during HSF, and some folks are saying the energy was low. I have no doubt that you and your friends had a great time, and that for you personally it might have been in the top 5 since Jerry died, but that's a rather large call to make considering what others have said as well as the fact that no one has heard more then 50% (if that) of every show played by these guys in the various incarnations since The GD stopped touring.

In my 37 years of going to these shows I've learned not to make "best ever" calls; they happen too often to be accurate.

Respect? Maybe now that he's been let off the leash. FJ and all things DSO have been mocked and rediculed on the Zone since day one.

I'm sure that John's ripping leads and deep knowledge and understanding of the GD catalog had absolutely nothing to do with the glowing reviews of the last three nights.


I do not post here a lot so I am unaware. Just saying he should have never been refereed to as Fake Jerry because it is just wrong. He is a deadhead just like all of us and doesn't change his playing while playing with DSO or Phil.

I often read, but almost never post on this site.

I am yet another of those middle aged fans who saw plenty of Dead concerts all around the country (1st show 1978 and mostly in upstate NY), and numerous post-Jerry shows: TOO (1998, 2000), The Dead (Alpine Valley 2002 through Penn State 2008, MSG 2009, etc.), dozens of Rat Dog and Phil& Friends. They ALL covered the gamut from really good to not-so-good to poor, at best.

I echo the "Hey, Phil's almost 70, Bobby is no kid, they still are giving it up for the love of music, and John K is not a poser" line of input.

The fact that I was shut out of Barton Hall mail order, when I used to get NYE tickets tells me two things: the business has changed, and these guys can still fill a hall with no promotion and plenty of loyal fans that they try very hard to reward with skill and passion on stage.

Enjoy it while we all still can. Nothing is forever, but these guys keep on truckin' on.. for now.

Peace.... Out.

>>>He is a deadhead just like all of us and doesn't change his playing while playing with DSO or Phil.

I call bullshit Vince! Are you telling me that JK wasn't on a leash night's one and two of the tour? I love Phil and I love DSO, but JK is Phil's bitch now.

>>I think the band can feel as much energy from someone who is having a deep internal experience of the music as well as they can from people who dance wildly.

Great point, i agree. I remember seeing Ani DiFranco play for a very polite (as in quiet during the songs, loud in applause afterwar) crowd, and she said something to the effect of "wow, i can actually hear myself play...it's a small room, but you make it BIG."

Top 5 since Jerry died? Some folks are saying that the first night was better, some folks are saying that some of the crowd was leaving during HSF, and some folks are saying the energy was low. I have no doubt that you and your friends had a great time, and that for you personally it might have been in the top 5 since Jerry died, but that's a rather large call to make considering what others have said as well as the fact that no one has heard more then 50% (if that) of every show played by these guys in the various incarnations since The GD stopped touring.

In my 37 years of going to these shows I've learned not to make "best ever" calls; they happen too often to be accurate.

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Only 37 years? Newbie; WTF would you know anyway?

All kidding aside, please listen to this show before you make up your mind because there are ugly rumors afloat about possible low energy, people sitting on their hands, early departures, and Santa's sleigh flying above the room. Though it seems as if you are determined to dispell the possibility that this show was way up the ladder, because you seem to know without having been there to dismiss it as impossible to be as good as I said, but not just me mind you.

A regular behind me who had seen every show of this tour, as well as more than probably most here since P&F began, echoed the very same about the show as I have said as we were exiting. In fact I was raving about it with my buds as we were leaving and everyone who overheard us was ginning and agreeing. Then take a look at the ones here who are saying this show was a standout. You have at least 5 known regulars in this thread saying pretty much the same things about the show, so put that in your pipe and smoke it.

Bottom line on this tour is that from what I saw Wallingford was definitley a top 5 post Jerry experience. The Dark star was so groovy and the strawberry fields out of the clouds was very special. I usede to evaluate the shows so much in years past on boards such as this or ratdog boards etc.. but I think that no words can do the Wallingford show justice. It was 23 degrees outside and we were all snug in the lodge with our woolens and was with my special girl who had nevee been to a show at all! What a treat for her. I also saw an old friend form Humboldt which made it special as well. Lets cherish these times everyone. "aint no time to hate" leyts not oick a part the band. Like with Jerry, we came to expect some of his mistakes and we would root for him to pullit off but in the ned if he didn't we still had a great time. We all knew what he was tryign to create and when he nailed it it was big---even when he didn't he kept us coming back to see if he would do it again. These guys are the same way and for Phila dn Bob they are trying to capture that magic as well. I closed my eyes and danced with my sweet Angel and I could have been at the Greek in '88 or the Winterland in '74. The spirit of the music was there and that is what I look for each time I go out o shows. "Just show me some of what we all hoped Jerry would do for us" I always think. Just give me a smiggin of that rare groove that only the dead create. It doesn't have to last forever, just long enough to "rock my soul." Keep comin' back everyone.
Peace
Avalon

I'm not trying to disagree with any SUBJECTIVE evaluation of anyone's experience. But that fact that we have multiple people saying that two of these shows (CT and second night Asbury), out of a short tour of five shows, for a lineup that was getting ripped at the Hammerstein shows, constitutes two of the best 5 shows played by anyone in the band over the past 14 years is just a bit over the top for me, sorry. By definition that means that only three of the hundreds of shows played in the past 14 years are now considered that good. Only three shows out of all the Q shows, other PL&F's shows, Dead shows, Other Ones shows, RatDog shows? Only three of all of those can be considered "top 5 since Jerry died" because these two Furthur shows were that good? Does that really make sense?

And BTW, what I heard during the CT stream was fantastic, I'm finally excited about seeing these guys.

lol, please!

FWIW Phil said the Q's Philly Tower Thanksgiving show a few years back was noear the top of all time for him...subjectively, too.

This band has some potential, but I think that the fact that there is someone singing and playing who is too much like Jerry makes this DIFFICULT MUSIC to compare to the ORIGINALITY of the real thing!!

That being said, I think the CT stream sounds great, and to me it is the best sounding show so far.

And just a final thought. I came to the conclusion long ago that once a band hits "that space", that it's all pretty much the same. We who not only enjoy this type of music but in many ways live for the thrill of experiencing it have all been there, that's why we keep coming back and that's why we love bands that we find that can also get us there (DNB for instance). I think that there's a threshold and that once it has been achieved (think of what it takes to escape gravity) then it's all gravy and you're in that magical space that great music can take you to. There are, of course, a lot of variables that go into achieving this and they will vary wildly from night to night. But once you're there you're there and the particulars of who is playing (Tuna, Dead, DNB, Allmans, Q, whoever) and what material they are playing is almost incidental. Subjective experience will always come into play, especially in terms of what is played (everybody has their favorites) but I've been taken there by songs I can't stand and I've fallen flat on my favorites. We all have, that's what makes it special. And because it's happened so many times over so many years I've given up on the idea of rating the experience compared to a previous experience. Once I've achieved liftoff, no matter what combination of elements it took to get there, it's all golden.

The obvious analogy is of course sex. Can you really rate your top five experiences? I hope not! As Woody Allen said in Manhattan: "All of mine have been just right!"

First time poster to this site, but been on the bus since '74 and I've seen 6 of the 9 Furthur shows, all 4 in California and the 2 Asbury Parks. I am also a huge DSO fan. I thought, until this incarnation, that I had no reason to go see Bobby and Phil ever again. Although there were some highlights when I went, for the most part, it was boring. The new line up, especially with the addition of John, is awesome. Phil and Bobby have been brought back to life. I don't want to make this too long, so just want to say that I am thankful that Phil and Bobby are finally allowing John to sing more. Sunday night I was nearly apoplectic during Terrapin because John was singing the whole song, and it was religious, then I was brought back to reality as Bobby stole the penultimate moment of the song by taking the "Inspiration move me brightly" verse. Unbelievable, John had killed the rest of the song and then Bobby's ego couldn't let John have the last verse. What a shame! Hopefully, he will hear about this from people and let John have the whole song. And this was after he had just sung Sailor/Saint and Sugaree. It's all ego. Too bad. They did redeem themselves by letting John do all of Help, except for when they come back into "Help on the way..." and that's fine because they let him sing the rest of it. Then, Phil's ego had raise it's ugly head and he sang Franklin's. I've seen him do this all 3 times Furthur has played this, and at the show in Fairfax he was so happy and enthusiastic that it was fine, but with such an awesome show as Sunday was, it just took some energy out of the end of the show. If Phil had allowed John to sing Franklin's the place would have gone even furthur nuts. These are small things, but if you want to put out the best product, sometimes you need to leave your ego at the door. Same thing for Phil with Eyes, come on, let John sing that also. But this is still as close as we're ever going to get to the old days. It's very exciting.

Here-Here Brent:

Totally agree with you.
Let John sing Jerry!

Sign the petition. Pass it.

http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/letjohnsingjerr y/

<<<Then, Phil's ego had raise it's ugly head and he sang Franklin's.

I loved that. Many here love to hear Phil sing. And as for Bobby well his Inspiration actually moved me, as opposed to made me cringe as in The Dead. He was a different Bobby and other than that I agree w/you all the way.

Hey welcome. nice post

Here-Here Brent:

Totally agree with you.
Let John sing Jerry!

Sign the petition. Pass it.

http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/letjohnsingjerr

THERE IS ACTUALLY A PETITION???

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what do you mean ego? Franklins is Phil's tune at this point. I suppose you want john to sing the lady finger bridge and the mountains of the moon, too. Eyes is a phil tune. US Blues is Bob's. I think John looks like he is having fun. No Phil Bashing here folks

Tom and Zonedeaf I think you make many valid points, Tom I totally agree with your final post and when the we are in the zone, we are in the zone.
I am open to that every time I see these guys and want that magic to unfold.
It is just getting the thousands of other to agree with me LOL.
The bottom line is 15, 20, 25+ years ago all the same things were said about the music.
It has always been subjective and personal and will always be. Hell that is why we keep coming back time and time again.

The bottom line right now is can you get your head and heart in that moment and communal space?
I think for many these days they check in and out way to much at shows, especially the youngsters.
This music needs your full attention to make the magic happen and for the energy to expand and for us to connect to each other more when the music is happening.

Even though I am a sober head, I some times think one of these shows will just a need good ole' real pychedelic injection to free us from all this stuff that still holds us back as a community.
Ofcoase it being totally voluntary
As many of us don't need this, we just need the music
Tom I would be more than willing to burn you a board of Wallingford if you are still skeptical. The Shakedown alone will bring a smile to your face.
As for Phil and Bobby they sing whatever they want, and for John there is plenty he can sing and hopefully he will.
I was thinking Big Railroad Blues during that first set on Sunday LOL

I thought that these shows were GRATE! WITHOUT A DOUBT...The best Post Jerry line-up! Keep it going guys! P.S. I hate to nit pick, but one song that I cant even listen to is Bobby singing Sugaree! I mean, that was just HORRIBLE! Is there anybody out there (in all seriousness) that can say "I think Bobby does a great job singing Sugaree?) I can tweak a song here and there, as can everybody, but if I ever hear him singing sugaree like that again, I will literally throw up!! Otherwise, see you all in February!

Great show; on a par with set 2 at WallyWorld; especially the Cumberland Blues.

I love calling John "Fake Jerry" or "Jerry Dude".
I'll call him John eventually. I imagine he considers "Fake Jerry" a pretty high complement, as that's what he's been going for.

The reality is, he's got the benefit of Jerry's 30+ years developing that craft, figuring out how to make it all fit in. John's work is not always on a par with what Jerry might have done (he still needs 2 decades of seasoning to get there!),
but there were a lot of spots where he really sparkled! Cumberland is just one example.

Great interplay between him and Jeff too.

When I look up there, I see the next generation of this music coming together. Phil and Bobby are not going to live forever.

Great venue by the way.

I saw 4/5 shows, skipping the Saturday night.

I am EXTREMELY GRATEFUL!

Everyone have a grateful day!!!

I like the petition idea, but I don't need John to sing all the Jerry tunes, just most. Bobby did a great job on New Speedway and he did a great job on the end of Terrapin, but my point on Terrapin was that John sang the rest of the song and then Bobby took the high point away from him. Seemed pointless. So, I will sign the petition and pass it along to many people, but I would like to see it amended slightly to say" more of the Jerry songs." Phil & Bobby definitely deserve to do a few of them. I have great respect for Phil & Bobby, they have been amazing so far in this new adventure.

I LOVE when Phil sings. I hope he doesn't hand over too many songs.

My lord,I can't believe what I'm reading....Some/most of you folks seem to get IT, some of you others? I just don't know. Who's music is this? Phil's, no Bobby's, wait JK's....How come Hunter's not singing any of them song's...Oh he's not in the band, right, I forgot...Who's music is this? Who sings, what? Man...Are we forgetting something here? Do you folks know what this is all about? It's put here for us to take what we need...leave the rest...IT...is STILL HAPPENING kids...I for one am so grateful that out of all the space and time...ever...I landed here....I got to hear it, see it feel it...Jerry, Phil, Brent, even Bobby, this talented JK kat too. Shall I continue with the names...there has been a bunch of them, ya know? ya remember? To hear you dudes that argue and tear this up is a travesty. Get with it, I've been to many hundreds of shows/concerts in my day. You only get to experience that "feeling" once in a while, when ya get IT, my dead grandpa could be singing...It don't matter to me, so long as I get the feeling...All I know is its still happening and I for one am grateful... Now go back to complaining about who sings what, when and how....Meanwhile I've got hope and some assurance that I'm gonna get what I need the next time I walk through those turnstyles and smile to myself and say, dam, its still HAPPENING, I'm not religious, but I am Grateful; and I thank God....Peace to all of you, even the complainers....I have hope for you too, I hope some day you get IT...Peace..Hoff

And another thing....reminisce....IT is STILL HAPPENING....only if you let IT...Sorry about the quality on a couple of these links, check them out. Its nice to be able to say I was there at each of these...so.. I was there; grateful me. I got IT at these...Jerry is gone(we grieve his loss daily)..But, seems the latest incarnation has potential to keep IT going...Let it will ya...I got IT when Phil played with the likes of Scofield, Trey, Warren, Larry Campbell, Derek Trucks, Branford,and many more, I even got IT at some Ratdog shows, shall I keep on my rant or are ya catching on. Have some fun, and when you walk through the turnstyle, smile, say, dam, IT is still HAPPENING...We are a fortunate bunch... Peace, Hoff...enjoy..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JKhM-Ed8R8k

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibvhTqUDwoM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EYjMCSlA6AU

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iB2fgW30im4

Bob has come a long way since o1's 2002, as far as the ego thing, and I will say he is more in line than this past summer, as far as singing songs how they used to be sang. IMO, john brings this into the mix, playing jerrys lead almost exactly how it should be, thus forcing less cheese from weir. Whatever it is, he definately had it together, and I have been very critical of him through the years, and including the final jerry years as well. No sign of unnecessary cheese from weir, and he handled ALL jerry's tunes(sugaree, etc) very well in AP

Plus, I think John sang the eyes in Oakland, they must have settled on Phil singing this one. And I hope it stays that way! He has been singing it with his band and 'the dead' for many years now. Peggy-O is and has been a Phil tune at this point as well, and has been for a while. You could say Cosmic Charley is as well. I am hoping for the Phil 'get together' like he sang in St. Louis in 01. I also love phil singing Jerry's verses during the Jack Straw

Listening to the show right now.
Just finished the first set.

Man, this band totally brings it.
Several chills down the spine moments.
"Got to try and see a little further" and then the crowd roar. Haha that was pretty badass.
Then that jam out of Estimated was sweet!
And that Cumberland?
Just cracking. Fantastic little surging jam before the last verse.
Phil and Bob are surrounded by a supporting cast of incredible musicians.
Russo is a monster and JK plays with soul and fire. You can hear the deep love he has for this music in the way he plays. He stays true to the stylings of Jerry yet it's organic, alive and totally responsive to the moment. The dude has great ears.

Very, very impressed with this band.

"Lord, you know they made a fine connection"
Yes indeed!

hoff Im grateful!!!!!!!

I danced my freakin ass off two nights at hammerstein and sat nt in asbury I couldnt be more happy! just wish I didnt puss out on sunday I missed some of my favs esp. box of rain. oh well cant wait till radio city see u there

Damn.
The Terrapin and Slipknot jams are so sick, I'm having a hard time formulating thoughts around it.

Insane.
I enjoyed the Fox theater shows, but this shit is like a quantum leap ahead of that. Man, just wait till the middle of next year's tour.
It's kinda like they have the fluidity of the GD mixed with the precision(if they so choose)of say..a 70's jazz fusion outfit. I mean very skillful as well as flexible. Able to turn on a dime like fucking THAT. A lot of that is the amazing work of Russo. Man that dude is something else.
Also I swear I've never heard Lesh or Weir play better.
They have definitely evolved musically post-dead.

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

See! Someone who is actually listening instead of just saying "How can you say top 5"?

That SLIPKNOT was insane (and Terrapin was right there too) , it truly was and you're right that whole first set was sublime. The minute they opened with BOX the destiny of this show had been set.

Look, I can understand questioning how this new combo could have just fell into playing 2 apparently incredible shows (CT - which I didn't see and have yet to hear - and the 2nd AP show) or some not being happy that Bobby sings some things they think John can handle better, but PLEASE! Phil and Bobby have already turned over the vocals to John on many songs they previously would have done; you got to leave these 2 original band members with something to do and frankly there are plenty of people that want to hear them sing, even if John has a better voice than either of them.

I really think what was said above about Phil and Bobby's playing never having been better is spot on. I said the same to the folks I was with on all 3 nights, even if I think the Sunday AP was several rungs above the two shows in NYC. Russo is a great choice too. I love Molo, but with Russo hammering the skins, I am really not missing Molo (and I never thought I'd say that either). This band is going to put a lot of smiles on faces and it will surprise people. What was said about John's playing ("playing jerrys lead almost exactly how it should be" and "true to the stylings of Jerry yet it's organic, alive and totally responsive to the moment") I cannot agree with more and I am someone who NEVER saw a DSO show in my life.

definitely top 5 shows guys...Then again it all depends on which shows you attended. From my experience these were the top five shows since Jerry died compared to any band phil and Bobby played in alone or together. Dead in Alpine Valley August 2002 was hot. Check out the Help>slip.Franks encore some time. Estimated>casey jones in the first set that's hot. Phil at the Greek Theater in Berkeley is always special and have been fortunate enough to make the trek to see it. Greek 2007 or 06, I forget, was hot as was that tour that whole year. Santa Barbara before the Greek was a good one too. All in all, these shows take the cake and Wallingford was one of the best shows since Jerry Died. There definitely have been some great times out there as I comb through my mind, but Wallingford was so clean and well played and the licks so nice and on the mark and the groove so tight it has to rank in the top 5. At least the second set. As some one else put it on this board, other bands and arrangments can get you in the zone and once you are there, you're there. The Dancin>scarlet>dancin from 2/18/01 at Maritime Hall San Francisco was amazing and ranks way up there. I have been transported many times. In the end, Wallingford set 2. On another note, where was the throwing stones this tour? Lovelight? cream puff, till the morning comes, attics?

Gregory...If you HONESTLY feel that Bob handled Sugaree well, then either your a big "Dog" fan or tone deaf! That was just embarassingly BAD!!

I had a flash…arms and voices uplifted in joyous communal exultation is what it’s all about.

I think this is the essence, or manifestation at least, of that undefinable thing we call “it” or “the x factor” that happens at Dead shows.

In response to my comment that >>>When a certain critical mass of the audience just sits there and watches the band instead of rooting them on the energy is only going to go so far. >>>

Gentle Jack Jones said “I think you are assuming a lot about the energy non dancers bring as well as what encourages the band. I think the band can feel as much energy from someone who is having a deep internal experience of the music as well as they can from people who dance wildly….”

I just want to say that I totally respect this position and know many, many people agree, but I wholeheartedly disagree with it. Arms and voices uplifted in joyous communal exultation is my personal criteria for evaluating the energy of the show. I just never put it into words before. At a certain point, if the music is great , it can, should and will draw physical and audible outbursts from a critical mass in the audience. Can you have a quiet orgasm? Yes. When you have an orgasm where you totally lose control and can’t help but scream in passion most people would agree that that one was better (though some tantrics would probably disagree with me on this). It’s the same with a Dead show. If the power of the music compels you and most others to dance and scream with passion it’s better than when a critical mass in the audience doesn’t feel that power.

You can posit that the band “feels the energy from someone who is having a deep internal experience,” and I can’t say for a fact that this isn’t true. Maybe the motions of the heavenly bodies effect the outcome of next weeks ballgame or the election in Afghanistan. Many people believe that type of magical thinking. I just think the mechanism is much clearer that when a group of musicians hear and see people going apeshit over the music they’re playing they are going to respond by trying to play harder, longer, more creatively, etc. It’s just like sex…oh, you like that…well then here’s some more baby.” It could be some mystical internal energy but I think it’s the screaming and jumping up and down that the band is picking up on.

As for me, the music is the music, but it’s how the audience interacts with and helps the band create the moment that I find special. That’s why I care about and often write about the energy and the crowd. Otherwise I’d just listen to the “tapes.” I think I had pretty good seats at both Asbury shows and I felt and saw much more energy on Sat. I agree that perception of energy is a highly subjective thing. But that’s my review and I’m sticking with it. For those who thought the energy was off the hook on Sun, that’s your perception and that’s fine too. For those who thought it was a top 5 post Jerry show I’m fine with that too. It’s all subjective. Is it literal? Is it hyperbole? It doesn’t matter. It’s what people feel like writing about their personal experience of what is ultimately a shared experience. There is no truth that is worth arguing about.

Sometimes a review will deal with negatives like how one would prefer John to sing Sugaree over Bobby, etc. However, I’m usually pretty clear that, overall, I totally dig the music this band is putting out and the energy it is manifesting in the crowd.

Oh, BTW, lots of people in my section, when they saw the crowd go apeshit when Phil came out for the donor rap, were saying stuff like “maybe Springsteen’s back there and people see him and that’s why they’re going nuts.” It was an unusual amount of energy for that spot in the show. Now I realize it was probably something along the lines of “that was a great little tour and we love this new band.” ovation. I didn’t realize at the time that this was the last show until New Years.

See ya's in Feb!

Talk about looking a gift horse in the mouth!

Anybody remember Boreal Ridge?

We need to leave Phil and Bobby with something to do??... Ahhh..I think Phil, and PARTICULARLY Bobby, have quite an extensive repertoire of their own songs (they also have their own bands) that will keep them plenty busy! It just sounds too much like Ratdog when Bob sings Jerry. I think the OVERWHELMING majority of people would like it to sound as much like The Grateful Dead as much as possible.

I'd rather have it be just enough off from the exact grateful dead sound to keep the zillions away, and Furthur seems to be doing that quite well.

Downward pressure on attendance is EXACTLY what this scene needed after the dead's spring fiasco.

An aside: why does "FURTHUR" come up as a spell check red underline on philzone.com?... or for that matter, why does philzone?

definately not tone def, and not a dog fan either. This sugaree was better than the one Weir sang shoreline 5-10-09, which should have been sung by Warren. Basically, I think Bob sounds better than he has. On that note, without question, I would rather John sing Sugaree, all verses., or Phil for that matter(ala 1999). But this band nor any is a democracy where fans can just demand that they do what is asked of them. If it were that way, Vince Welnick would have never been in the band or allowed to sing. It's not a democracy and no matter how much people think they have the answer to the problem, it doesnt matter. And Weir is gonna sing some songs, just feel lucky John gets to sing some as well, such as tleo, and candyman, or wharf rat. And for once, at least since 95, Bob is actually trying to sing the song right. No petition will influence how this band plays the songs. I personally liked the way Furthur played 'the wheel' in oakland better than how it was played at the stein nyc. In oakland it was like how the grateful dead did it, and in new york, they played it like the way the Q used to do. At least the bridge before the "round round robin run round' part. They might change it every time just for the sake of change.

IT was there this week, no doubt about IT.

If you missed IT, come back soon, because I think IT's going to be around a lot.

Didnt mean to sound so harsh Greg...But I personally did not like the way Bob sang Sugaree, this time, last time, and unless he changes that delivery, probably never! Having said that, I tend to agree with what you just said. I guess next time Bob starts to sing Sugaree, Ill just run to the bathroom, close my ears, and "make beleive" they never played it. BOTTOM LINE? I'll be back 4 more!

Well I like it when Bobby sings Sugaree, especially at the 5-10 Shoreline show. Sounds like he must have played it just for me....how special.

I may be new to this site but certainly not new to the scene or music. I have been to over 200 shows when Jerry was alive and dozens of shows from various incarnations since. For me I have been having a really hard time connecting with the music (although much of it played incredibly by amazing musicians). Something about changing the way the music is played and various different guitar styles and sounds just has created a connection barrier for me over the years. Over the past 10 years I have seen many DSO shows and was always impressed and respected the way they recreated the sound that made me fall in love with the music in the first place. When I herd JK was in the lineup I bought tickets to CT and the 1st 2 Asbury shows. I left each show completely satisfied, fullfilled, and eager to go hear more. Lets face it it will never be the same without Jerry, but to hear the familiar tone, signiture riffs played correctly and vocals that jog memories of the old days was a treat for me and I think many others..... hopefully this is just the beginning of a long run.

I'm pleased so far. They're showing good stuff. I'm partial to 12.13- my Tommy would've loved to have been there, raging his birthday show. Box of Rain opener!? Just a coincidence, but meaningful still.

From Kanute:
""It's kinda like they have the fluidity of the GD mixed with the precision(if they so choose)of say..a 70's jazz fusion outfit. I mean very skillful as well as flexible. Able to turn on a dime like fucking THAT. A lot of that is the amazing work of Russo. Man that dude is something else.
Also I swear I've never heard Lesh or Weir play better.
They have definitely evolved musically post-dead"

Yeah pretty much true especially about Weir being on his game. I had thought he had forgot how to play like that. Makes me smile Real big.

"IT was there this week, no doubt about IT.

If you missed IT, come back soon, because I think IT's going to be around a lot."

eddie gets IT...I've been taking in as much as I can get, tapes, youtube snips, reviews,archives, 365live, etc; IT would seem to me the current incarnation IS IT; as close as ITS going to get as what us older folks enjoyed in the late 70's and early 80's....Back then IT was wild, fun and really unreal, sureal, Mucic, Peace, Love, Belonging, granola, just an unbelievabley cool, happy, loving scene; again, I am blessed and humbled to have been and still involved....IT is back, this time in full swing I think. But we should keep IT quiet, so we don't end up like it got in the early 90's til 95...you folks remeber? Not too good...huh? Sorry, but I guess I'm selfish...The word will get out though... I think its that good...no ITS great...IT really is the best post Jerry yet. The night Trey played with Phil in Glens Falls in 10/07 came close, but this goes way beyond...Bobby is singing Borned Cross Eyed, and very well at that. Do you know how many times I got to see them do that when Jerry was here? Enough said I think...oh and the Eleven the way its being played, c'mon guys... this is IT....

I like the fact that JK has that Jerry sound... That's what I missed the most all these years, this dude brings IT all back for me. I don't know about you. But I like the sound, I like the crooning, his laid back style...He's not pushing it or anyone, steps up when needed and steps back in time; seems he knows his place, is accepted by Phil and Bob; and the dude is likely creaming his jeans that he's up there playing and trading riffs with them, lets give JK his due...them are some big shoes to fill....I like the set lists, I like the fact that Phil is still sucking air in and out, his fairly new liver still works; and his playing has developed to a point that I'd shit my drawers if IT got any better. Really just over the top great...dare I say....many moments better than those daze of old. Phil and Bobby have really matured musically, spirtually and as human beings as well; the fact they're playing so well together is evidence of that. I for one am happy.

I can't make the New Years Shows, but look for me in February; I'll be the guy with the big smile on his face, saying to himself...DAM, ITS STILL HAPPENING.....Ya gotta love IT.....Peace, Hoff

Reading the posts it amazes me at the vitriol on the sides of so many fences, "Bob the bully", “Bob vs. John singing" "the whole John/Jerry issue"
and what this band is, should be, and more importantly could be. If there is tension in the band at times, I see that as a good thing, being comfortable is not what has kept this thing going all these years.

With it being Phil’s night to pick the setlist we got a The Box of Rain opener (on a very wet evening) the guys showed they were well rehearsed, ready, and ripening to the challenge.

"Miracle" was lively, Bob's vocals sounded as good as I've heard him this decade. However, what goes on in the beginning of these shows’s with Bob and his equip/sound? I've noticed his setup isn't always quite right or something keeps him fiddling about the first few songs of each show I've seen recently.

I was thrilled to hear the beginnings of Wang Dang Doodle, I love old blues tunes (Willie Dixon, Junior Wells ECT.) Figured they take a jam somewhere along the way. Maybe it was a sound problem or something but it seemed this song came to an abrupt end (did the sound quit?) with Phil trying to keep it all together leaning over playing a repetitive riff.

Which led into They Love Each Other, a favorite of mine, I had to close my eyes and listen – almost could hear Jerry’s voice channeling through JK – but not quite, Jerry had a quality that need not be replicated , however John sounded great . I leaned over to my quality bud Marlin and said I felt a Sugaree coming on this evening.

The band then rocked a “Beat it on Down the Line”, Bob’ vocals sounded great - came back with a “Candyman”, an inspired Estimated Prophet and my ringtone Cumberland Blues to close the set. These last two had all members kickin’ it. It was fun to see Phil & Bob enjoying themselves the sound problems seem to have been worked out and we were primed for what would turn out to be one of the best sets of music to come.

Set 1: Box Of Rain, I Need a Miracle, Wang Dang Doodle, They Love Each Other, Beat It On Down The Line, Candyman, Estimated Prophet, Cumberland Blues

“Half–time in giant country” - Steal your face t-shirts with NY Giant logos abound and this Eagle fan had the pleasure announcing that the E-A-G-L-E-S were winning. It was about a 50 min set break which gave all plenty of time to refuel for the second set.

Lost Sailor opened the second set, not a favorite tune of mine but on this evening I bought it (one of the best versions I’ve ever heard live) A well received Saint followed.

Phil powered thru Mason’s Children laying down some amazing lead bass as he can do so well. As the beginning notes of Sugaree played the question was who will sing it? Bob took the spotlight and for me this was the only disappointment of the eve. We all want to see how John’s contribution on guitar will develop, but also what he can bring vocally is equally important.





As soon as it ended I bolted for the restroom and made it back before the first verse of a monumental Terrapin. Jay Lane and Joe Russo drove the train out of the station with thunderous engines powering a 26min version that solidified this line-up for me. Help is on the Way, a funkified Slipknot, and a rollicking’ Franklin’s Tower closed the second set.

Phil had to bring out the band to take a perfunctory bow so he could then get the crowd to quiet down for the donor rap. The final song would be the last of this short east coast swing. A US Blues encore gave all a great feeling and anticipation for the winter tour. Keeping in mind this was ONLY the 9th live performance for this lineup, it does seem as if something organic could grow. Somewhere that eve Phil turned and gave Jeff a fist bump and he then called John over for the same. Let’s hope there is more than comradely developing here. With the Rhythm section of Joe Russo and Jay Lane providing a different jumping off point for Phil (who is one of the most accomplished bass players in rock-n-roll, John Kadlecik easily up for the challenge of filling enormous shoes, Jeff Chimkent having all the tools to add 21century textures to an aging catalog, and Bob vocally sounding as good as ever, February could provide some special music. See you in AC!

SET 2: Lost Sailor > Saint of Circumstance, Mason's Children, Sugaree > Terrapin Station> Help is on the Way>Slipknot>Franklins Tower
E: Donor Rap, US Blues

BTW: The smaller venues are a real treat. Asbury Park’s Convention Hall is an aging box with lots of character. Dilapidated, in most places it would be in the wrecking balls sights. The announcement prior to the show that the fire marshal warns it was a non-smoking venue met with groans followed by letting us know that in case of emergency the exits around the perimeter would be clearly lit. I felt like I was taking off on a twin prop from a third world country.

DITTO TIMES 100 ^^^^!!!! couldn't have said it better myself.including your comment on the GF show.

I'm actually a little surprised there's no show there this run. Fits right in w/the tour. Oh well.

Hey Hoff, just checked your profile, I'm in Albany too!!! well actually Clifton Park!!

Do I know you???

Darengo...Bobby's been fiddeling with his amp setup for about 40 years now... and the fire marshall, he's been telling us where the exits are since before then...Keep comming back you'll get IT....

Areukind,
I'm sure I "know you" I just wonder if we have ever hung out. If you you were in and around the Albany dead head scene from around 81 til say 91 at either my Madison Ave House or the Dove Street House or thee above Nino's (God rest his soul; Koz too; really miss those two guys; I loved them dearly, neither made the turn, but we did tons of shows together) Bakery House you know me and I'm sure we hung out. But I'm pushing 50 dude. How old are you? Other names that will help are Chief, Artey, Siggy, Howie, T.O., Beth, Andrea, D Bergan, Mary Beth.... I could go on, but those were some of us. I still stay in touch with some of those who havn't left us; like Koz and Nino...Man I really do miss them; shedding a tear here. But dude, perhaps you know me, perhaps not...But if you're on this site, still talking it up you're good with me. Get in touch if you'd like... Its easy these daze; let me know... Peace... Hoff

Hey, well I'm an Albany transplant since 93. I spent my formative dh yrs in and around LI, then NJ as home base.

And I will be your profile age next month. lol ACK!!!! lol

Peglet.

peglacyATgmail.com

things that make me go hmmmmm..... I used to go by the name eore on this site back when; I fell away for a bit...Life; go figure...I'll drop you a note on your email...Peace and welcome to Albany; albiet a bit late; welcome regardless; as you can see and tell by my last post; we need everyone we can get; we've lost a few; some REAL GOOD folks, sorely missed; truely couldn't make it without Jerry on board. I almost followed myself...glad to still be here, like Phil is. There really is more to it than just moving on... Lots of life to live; plus my boys, My Children, ages 18 and 16 - they are going to shows with me all the time; and they love it..."Hey Dad, whats this song? Dad this is too cool....Yo, Dad was IT this good back in the day? Yea my boys....yes! IT was this good back in the day. As I watch them dance and bob....Ya see; the circle of life has happened here for me. My boys have posters in their rooms, they listen to the old and the new; plus their own stuff, but continue to ask; are we going to the FURTHUR Fest this year; can we go to the DSO show?....what about Jorma?...how about we go see Phil? or Dylan? when he comes around... I keep emptying the bank account to do my share in keeping IT alive. My boys Love IT...and so do I; again what a lucky bunch we are. The fact that Phil and Bobby and at times Billy and Micky are still playing for my kids to hear. On top of that Dylan still comes around and they beg to go....Shit; my one of my sons name is Dylan, get it.... C'mon, how cool is that? And we gots complainers on the site?....What a blessed life I've been bestowed... Thanks... With very Sincere Gratitude, Peace, Hoff

Really super cool Bob, thanks for the email, I'll reply later at lunch. I love your passion and love for the grateful dead and I am there too!!! Everyday is a gift. Who woulda thought 30 plus yrs later???

Real nice review Darkengo, thanks for the effort.

The only things I'd have a bit of an issue with are...

>>>Bob vocally sounding as good as ever, February could provide some special music<<<


I think Bob is sounding pretty good for his age and wear, and much better to me than he has in a while, but as good as ever? Easy now.

And with four more shows in December, two of them in a tiny 200 capacity hall down the street from where Phil & Bob live, and a three set New Years show in the heart of San Francisco, I'd say there's a pretty good chance of some special music happening from these guys before February.

It was 25 years ago I said HAPPY NEW YEAR with Phil & Bob playing in the same building I'll be in with them again next week. Pretty fucking amazing that we get to continue to carry on with all this heading into 2010.







HAPPY NEW YEAR FOLKS!!!

Bob Hoffman,

I'm with you on (apologies to Michael Jackson), "This is IT." I will say that the vocals need work but I have confidence that this band will work out the vocals.

I was at Wallingford and that second set was IT if one loves Grateful Dead music (and I do). Since Jerry died I've seen DSO, P&F, TOO, just about all of the incarnations and I'd seen some pretty good music. But December 11 at Wallingford, I got to be a part of something that I can honestly say had been missing from my life for 14+ years. I can't quantify or qualify IT but I know it when I hear/see IT. As one of my buddy's said after the show, "that band didn't leave a lot of meat on those bones."

There are actually points in the recording of this show that cause the familiar twinkle in my eye simultaneously with small tears of joy that something I assumed gone forever has magically returned to my life. And IT has returned with a benevolent vengeance, if that oxymoron makes sense. It sounds like there are more than a few others that are in tune with this jive I'm writing.

Andy, You make total sense to me. IT feels very very very good again.... doesn't IT....Those chills up the spine and the glare from those tears...I knew I couldn't be the only one getting IT

I think there are some on this site that were to young to experience IT...therefore they miss IT.

I'm looking forward to February, see ya there.

Peace

<<<Those chills up the spine and the glare from those tears.

that is exactly IT. Have only felt that way at a post Jerry show a handful of times.

I literally felt like I had to pinch myself to make sure it was real.

and it sure was heartwarming to see Phil & Bobby jammin and smiling together again. that may have been the best part for me.

Highlights are being broadcast on the GD Hour. You may still be able to catch it in your local.