12-05-03 Beacon Theater - New York, NY

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Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Thomas (Supamaki) on Wednesday, December 03, 2003 - 03:30 pm: Edit Post

anybody have 1 for Friday???

Thanks


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Will Hutchinson (Willhutch5) on Wednesday, December 03, 2003 - 06:19 pm: Edit Post

looking for any # of tickets to Friday

WillHutch5@hotmail.com


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Matthew C. O'Boyle (Bonk99) on Thursday, December 04, 2003 - 06:24 pm: Edit Post

need 1 or 2 for Fri. will pay higher than face if necessary. NEED TO BE THERE!!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By David Miller (Dmiller862) on Friday, December 05, 2003 - 12:44 am: Edit Post

So let's check what they can play tonight, besides any surprise breakouts. They don't have much to choose from do they? Keep on Growing, Just a Little Light (if they decide to bring it back out), Dark Star, but what else?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By David Miller (Dmiller862) on Friday, December 05, 2003 - 12:46 am: Edit Post

oh yeah and a Celebration encore, that's expected


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By brian mergentime (Brianthemerg) on Friday, December 05, 2003 - 01:34 am: Edit Post

looking for last minute tix for friday, too...email me at brianthemerg@hotmail.com, i'll check it frequently during the day friday, and call ya.....pleeeeeeease....prettttty pleeeeeeease!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Bucky (Bucky) on Friday, December 05, 2003 - 06:23 am: Edit Post

Cold Raun - lock.
Dark Star, Viola - locks.
Birdsong.
Doin' That Rag.
Into The Bathroom.
Wharf Rat.
Scarlet >
Fire (also a lock)
I Am The Walrus
The Big surprses I cuold foesee if anything would be BFA, short version or Branford.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By womyn (Browneyed) on Friday, December 05, 2003 - 09:06 am: Edit Post

I pick:
Strawberry Fields (the Lennon tune) or Revolution as a backup/ ?Come Togehter? Oh forget it - I don't know.

Tom Thumb
Brown Eyed Women (for me)
Just a Little Light (for me)

And hmmmmm for my honey - -
Sugar Mag

I love you St. Stephen - meet me in the snow at the Beacon - -


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Sam Lamonoff (Sam_l) on Friday, December 05, 2003 - 09:12 am: Edit Post

I heard them tease Scarlet a few times last night. My guess for opener. Also heard Wharf Rat tease. For tonight's Beatles cover-Hey Jude. I was sure they were going into it off Mr. Fantasy last night.

Sam L.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By L. A. (495blues) on Friday, December 05, 2003 - 09:38 am: Edit Post

If you should be fortunate enough to have the ticket for Orchestra Row F seat 107 beware of the hole below your seat. This could be the last you see of your gloves - and you may need them after the show.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By mike diiorio (Dooodahman) on Friday, December 05, 2003 - 09:44 am: Edit Post

they should still have tix at the box office...standing room only. also, people have been dumping tix outside the venue for much less than face. I sold 3 mondays for about 50 total and some trade. People couldn't give away tix. As long as it stays cold you should be in luck. I'd just go down and check it out.

ENJOY!!!!

Mikey


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By mike diiorio (Dooodahman) on Friday, December 05, 2003 - 09:47 am: Edit Post

anyone have the list from last nite? i wuz at the first two, then left town...good shit. Also, the Tricksters have been there every nite...maybe they'll come on for a set!!!

m


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By L. A. (495blues) on Friday, December 05, 2003 - 09:57 am: Edit Post

Mikey-
I'm impressed that you you were able to get any $ for your monday tix since there was no show on monday -

I had extra tix for tues and thurs and I don't think people should try to make me feel badly for asking for face value - who really only has $20 - in Manhattan in the winter? It cost me $50 to park my car Tues.

But seriously - does anyone know what area is reserved for standing room tickets? - I haven't been sitting anyway.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By mike diiorio (Dooodahman) on Friday, December 05, 2003 - 10:11 am: Edit Post

ur correct! That woulda been Tue & Wed. I even met a girl who, on Wed, was given a Tue...and she got in. You know, I'm having a problem paying full price...I can understand not wanting to spend $50 on a ticket. Yes, it did hurt loosing a $100 on one show...what ru gonna do? I had phun once I forgot about it. I was happier paying $30 for a friend of mine to get in on Wed...I didn't ask anyone to go down on the price...the guy was just looking to get something for it. I think the price of shows is going to kill this industry. Really, who can afford this? Many shows in my area are $115 for face value...for crappy short pop shows!!!!! Can you believe that???? I can't!!!!

Got extras for NYE Widespread? Sure would appreciate that! I've got mine for the 12/30 show...still need 2 for nye.

Thanks,
Mikey


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Rob Tarulli (Rulli_t) on Friday, December 05, 2003 - 10:50 am: Edit Post

got two extras for tonight. one in the loge row b, and one in the balcony row g. selling them for face + garbage ticketmaster fees. shoot me an email if interested.

rob


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By L. A. (495blues) on Friday, December 05, 2003 - 10:51 am: Edit Post

I think that the $50 face value is the entertainment value of the year. Do you know what 'entertainers' such as Simon & Garfunkel were charging for seats @ MSG this week - I think they may have been $350 face value - Paul McCartney was no bargain either. The real issue is ticket 'brokers' who get access to 'premium seating' and charge multiples of the face value - this money should be collected from the people who have the means and distributed to a good cause - not fed to the underworld. The band could raise alot of $ for a good cause. If they would auction just 100 tickets per show and they averaged $200 premium that would net $20k for charity - and the premium price could be tax deductable - there are people that attend these shows that pay taxes -


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Rubba (Rubba) on Friday, December 05, 2003 - 10:51 am: Edit Post

Anyone having a Beacon Suite pre-show gathering? I need a place to indulge prior to the meltdown. (For those who dont know, DO NOT partake in the blocks surrounding the Beacon. Crazy enforcement around there...!)

Also need a single ticket for tonight. Any help out there on either front???


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Jamba (Winjam) on Friday, December 05, 2003 - 10:55 am: Edit Post

Gonna come out of the Cold Rain & Snow and let their Soulshine tonight.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By L. A. (495blues) on Friday, December 05, 2003 - 11:05 am: Edit Post

Phil seems to have re-written the opening lyric to CR&Snow - did anyone catch the new words last Saturday?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Eric (The_answer_man) on Friday, December 05, 2003 - 11:23 am: Edit Post

Hey all!!

The last 3 nights were insane, can't wait for the culmination tonight!!

I think Dark Star, Viola, and Wharf Rat are definite.

Also looking for that Soulshine.

COLD RAIN AND SNOW OPENER!!!!

and of course the beloved BROKEDOWN encore

after going into the city every day this week, I am more pumped for tonight, can't wait to see how they can top the past 2 nights...

see you all there....


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Max Karten (Fluffhead) on Friday, December 05, 2003 - 12:16 pm: Edit Post

CR&S opener
Tennessee Jed
Birdsong
1/2 Step
Cucamonga
Bertha
Warren Rat
Scarlet>Fire
Dark Star
Viola
Playin'
Tom Thumbs 1st encore
Brokedown 2nd encore

In no particular order of course...I love this theater and I hate this city...cant wait to hit 95 north...go SOX!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Matthew C. O'Boyle (Bonk99) on Friday, December 05, 2003 - 01:21 pm: Edit Post

Fluffhead, is their a worse venue than the Orpheum? Two words: MOOKIE WILSON!!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By David C. (Houndbrokedown) on Friday, December 05, 2003 - 01:52 pm: Edit Post

Here are two more: Bucky Dent


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By scott gibson (Sgibson) on Friday, December 05, 2003 - 02:05 pm: Edit Post

anyone else see a midget (small person) dwarf, holding a guitar on the stage b/4 the opener last night?
Please tell me I WAS Hallucinating'


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Matty D (Cranky_pants) on Friday, December 05, 2003 - 02:07 pm: Edit Post

Interesting selections on tap for tonight ... possible openers:

Cold Rain, Keep on Growing, Scarlet, Dancin', Viola

Dark Star>Mountains>Dark Star>Wharf Rat or Comes a Time in the second set

Set Two Closers: Cosmic Charlie "go on home your mama's calling you" or We Bid You Good Night

Like the possibility of Tom Thumb and Brokedown to encore.

Can we really say for sure?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Matthew C. O'Boyle (Bonk99) on Friday, December 05, 2003 - 02:19 pm: Edit Post

What is the story with the snow? Any possibilty of postpone or cancellation?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Matthew Gutknecht (Mattgoodie) on Friday, December 05, 2003 - 02:34 pm: Edit Post

My 2 cents/not played/picks for tonight:

- Cold, Rain & Snow Opener
- Tom Thumb Blues
- Warren Rat - maybe encore or second set
- Sugar Mags
- Stagger Lee
- Dark Star - Mos Def 2nd set
- Viola Lee - could be all over both sets
- Scarlet > Fire - could be broken up though
- Some Jazz Tune - Milestone (Miles) or Love Supreme (Coltrane) - especially if Branford is in the house.
- Some Beatles tune - Come Together (possible set opener), Walrus or Strawberry Fields
- Bird Song - should get it, almost a lock
- Bertha
- Playing
- Foolish Heart
- Here Comes SS
- 1/2 Step
- Tennesse
- Ramblin' Rose
- Some kind of Van Morrison, Derek & Dominos tune - Keep on Growing, Into the Mystic
- Brokedown, Bid U or Ripple encore - probably double encore


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Laughing Bones (Laughing_bones1) on Friday, December 05, 2003 - 02:41 pm: Edit Post

nice Mark, but don't forget...

I AM THE WALRUS

JUST ATTLE LIGHT

GOLEDN ROAD

:-)


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Georgie1 (Georgie1) on Friday, December 05, 2003 - 02:53 pm: Edit Post

Don't crucify Bucky.

"Into The Bathroom"--That's funny! While he hits the head, I'll listen to it, even if some folks consider it a throwaway...

Couldn't make it last night :-( and was supposed to go to Xmas party tonight. But now I hear there's going to 250 people there (mostly stiffs) and maybe I won't be missed.

What is the ticket situation?

Perhaps this dusting of snow will keep some out-of-towners at home. Anyone who's been in the Sierra or Rockies knows this is shit, but people will freak...

What was the ticket availability last night? Heard it was tough...


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Georgie1 (Georgie1) on Friday, December 05, 2003 - 02:56 pm: Edit Post

Oh, standing room is available?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Jeff H (Jeff99a) on Friday, December 05, 2003 - 03:41 pm: Edit Post

2 or 3 tickets available for tonight!

A couple of friends can't make it to due to the weather. Orch seats, $50 each. I live very close the beacon, call me at 212-496-6325 - Jeff


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Jeff H (Jeff99a) on Friday, December 05, 2003 - 03:51 pm: Edit Post

Those 2 tickets I posted at 3:41 PM are gone . - Jeff


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Jeff H (Jeff99a) on Friday, December 05, 2003 - 03:58 pm: Edit Post

I still have 1 left but it probably won't last long... - Jeff 212-496-6325


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By TOM MCGANN (Bklynpolar) on Friday, December 05, 2003 - 04:03 pm: Edit Post

COLD RAIN AND SNOW


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Jeff H (Jeff99a) on Friday, December 05, 2003 - 04:04 pm: Edit Post

All my extras are gone. - Jeff


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By kung bit torrent server (Kung) on Friday, December 05, 2003 - 04:08 pm: Edit Post

only weekend phil show... tonight you aing gettin in less than 50$ or so, at least not my extra.

more power to you if you can....

see y'all tonight!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Alex Pozzy (Redtide) on Friday, December 05, 2003 - 04:10 pm: Edit Post

A friend just asked me what they'll do tonight. Sadly, I can't make this one, but here's my thoughts:

Top of my head I'd say Dark Star and Strawberry. Let's see, what else
haven't they done?

Bertha

Can't think of a bigger 2nd set closer to end it then Viola/Golden.

Bid You G'nite encore for certain, prolly as the 2nd encore.

Alligator and Dancin first set.

Originals? Hmmm...haven't seen No More Do I this run, and they frequently
sandwich it in Dark Star, so that's the 2nd set original. 1st
set...ummm...Underground?

Probably FOTD early first set.

Still trying to think of a big 1st set closer they haven't done yet...

That's all off the top of my head - now I'll go cheat and look at lists and
see what I have missed...

Ok, after randomly looking over lists from the tour I'll add:

Keep on Growing to open 1st set.
Soulshine almost definite - either late 1st set or 1st encore before WBYGN.

Wharf Rat for the 2nd set Jerry Ballad

Scarlet/Fire seems just about definite.

Cosmic to close 1st.

Wish I could be there - have a great show!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Rob Tarulli (Rulli_t) on Friday, December 05, 2003 - 04:13 pm: Edit Post

still got one extra in the balcony.

Terrence K. i'm having problems with your email address. if you still want the ticket, email me your phone number.

4:20 til showtime!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Michael (Theflowerguy) on Friday, December 05, 2003 - 04:20 pm: Edit Post

One ticket for tonight! $50

Orchestra, Row C, Seat 104. http://www.ticketmaster.com/seatingchart/11/3420

Call me at 203-253-7074.

- Roberto


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Michael (Theflowerguy) on Friday, December 05, 2003 - 04:31 pm: Edit Post

The ticket has been sold.

- Roberto


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By seth parsowith (Chefseth) on Friday, December 05, 2003 - 04:33 pm: Edit Post

I have one GA for tonight I need to know if anyone needs it....My broker is charging me $60, thats what I'll sell it for


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By CHAUNCHE (Qwesauncho) on Friday, December 05, 2003 - 04:36 pm: Edit Post

Jazz tune: My Favorite Things Jam


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By ed hayes (Chinacat2002) on Friday, December 05, 2003 - 04:46 pm: Edit Post

One in loge. F33.
Asking $60.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Max Karten (Fluffhead) on Friday, December 05, 2003 - 05:27 pm: Edit Post

fuck mookie and bucky dent.

All I know is NOMAAAAAAAH!

And the Orpheum does suck, my friends stole all the "no smoking violators will be evicted on first offense" signs and posted them up in their apartment.

I said I love the Beacon...just not the city, although trippin' in Times Sqaure after the show should be a fun subway stop...ne1 wanna join me?

BTW, as of now where I live doesn't have any snow...


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By henry (Hburke) on Friday, December 05, 2003 - 05:44 pm: Edit Post

I have a friend who just called me from the Becaon. He asked the guy at the box ofice if there were any more ticks for tonight and they ticket guy said, "No, but it the way things are going that might not matter. Some one in the band is pretty sick." When pressed on it the ticket guy said that this was the reason last night's show was so short. Any anyone heard anything ?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By jamie (Mountainchain) on Friday, December 05, 2003 - 05:48 pm: Edit Post

Angel Band second encore to bookend the tour--Warfield 9/25-Beacon 12/5.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By brayton durfee (Toffer) on Friday, December 05, 2003 - 06:01 pm: Edit Post

this show may be cancelled...


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By henry (Hburke) on Friday, December 05, 2003 - 06:03 pm: Edit Post

Brayton where did you hear that?! i don't to drive in tonight if the show may be cancelled.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By chinacat2002 (Chinacat2002) on Friday, December 05, 2003 - 06:07 pm: Edit Post

Let's get to the bottom. Who's sick, what are
the facts, why hasn't the band posted here to
save people the hassle?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By brayton durfee (Toffer) on Friday, December 05, 2003 - 06:14 pm: Edit Post

my buddy at beacon confirmed cancellation for fri's show


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Scroto (Scroto) on Friday, December 05, 2003 - 06:17 pm: Edit Post

is the show cancelled?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By henry (Hburke) on Friday, December 05, 2003 - 06:18 pm: Edit Post

two different people say yes


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Scroto (Scroto) on Friday, December 05, 2003 - 06:24 pm: Edit Post

only a message at the Beacon's number.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Peter Segal (Psegal) on Friday, December 05, 2003 - 06:26 pm: Edit Post

Well, you're buddy doesn't know shit. I just spoke with the Beacon and they told me the show was absolutely on. In fact, they were doing the sound check.

Please don't post rumors here unless you can confirm.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By eboot24 (Phanatic) on Friday, December 05, 2003 - 06:45 pm: Edit Post

What I do know is is I'm stuck here in Westport, CT holding two gorgeous orchestra tickets for tonight. Outside my window is the tail end of a blizzard that managed to exactly coincide with Friday rush hour. Oh good. 95 is a parking lot, babysitter bailed and it's time to make the best out of a bad situation!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Brian O'Canada (Karmacoupe) on Friday, December 05, 2003 - 07:18 pm: Edit Post

somebody who is gonna stay on line and not go to the show, email karmacoupe@aol.com your number, and i'll call you from my cell from outside the beacon when i get there and give you an update you can post here.
cool?
brian


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Brian O'Canada (Karmacoupe) on Friday, December 05, 2003 - 07:29 pm: Edit Post

or, okay, i'm running out the door. anyone who wants an update to post can call me if you want 917-225-6101 -- should be there by 7:30 ish -- walking thru central park -- about 8 or 10 inches in my back yard by the look of things.
brian


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By BassGreat (Leshphilling) on Friday, December 05, 2003 - 09:24 pm: Edit Post

just called brian and couldnt hear a thing sounded like he said it might be the last tune for the 1st set though...


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By BassGreat (Leshphilling) on Friday, December 05, 2003 - 09:33 pm: Edit Post

called him again and could hear Loose Lucy in the background...sweet...I'll call him back in a few..


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Dan (Lost_sailor) on Friday, December 05, 2003 - 09:57 pm: Edit Post

FYI ~ Toffer is a TROLL from Ratdog.org..

He's a prick and always trys to start shit over here


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Cary Krosinsky (Sweet_magnolias) on Friday, December 05, 2003 - 10:00 pm: Edit Post

Bobhead - figures

he's just jealous or clueless or both


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Taperrob (Taperrob) on Friday, December 05, 2003 - 10:08 pm: Edit Post

The Q @ The Beacon, 12/5/03

Set 1:
Jam>
Again & Again> Jam>
Midnight Train> Jam>
Loose Lucy
Wharf Rat> Jam>
Scarlet Begonias>
Fire On The Mountain


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Andrew Goodman (Ag1) on Friday, December 05, 2003 - 10:25 pm: Edit Post

>FYI ~ Toffer is a TROLL from Ratdog.org..

>He's a prick and always trys to start shit over >here


Thats kinda funny. A bit strange.

Hope noone took him seriously.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By BassGreat (Leshphilling) on Friday, December 05, 2003 - 10:35 pm: Edit Post

you can always tell the assholes who wanna start shit, because they have only one or two posts and they're always throwing a wrench in the works, or saying something sensitive or controversial. Always check the number of posts first for credibility, folks


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By BassGreat (Leshphilling) on Friday, December 05, 2003 - 10:41 pm: Edit Post

SWEET First Set :-)


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Andrew Goodman (Ag1) on Friday, December 05, 2003 - 10:48 pm: Edit Post

Speaking of the total # of posts, I would like to proudly announce that I have finally graduated from "Newbie" to "Goes to Shows"
Kind of ironic that this is the only Beacon show I didnt make, and the couple of posts that pushed me into the "Goes to Shows" level were made directly regarding the only Beacon show I didnt go to.
Yes, Im bored and just waiting for the second set to be posted.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Gary Highman (Ezrider) on Friday, December 05, 2003 - 11:55 pm: Edit Post

set 2
Jam>Just A Little Light>All That We Are>Jam.Golden Road>Spacey Jam>Dark Star(vs 1)>
I Am The Walrus


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By BassGreat (Leshphilling) on Saturday, December 06, 2003 - 12:17 am: Edit Post

nice, nice....


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Gary Highman (Ezrider) on Saturday, December 06, 2003 - 12:19 am: Edit Post

set 2(con)
>Jam>Dark Star(vs 2)>Jam>Standing On The Moon> Viola Lee Blues


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Gary Highman (Ezrider) on Saturday, December 06, 2003 - 12:27 am: Edit Post

encore: The Real Thing


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Taperrob (Taperrob) on Saturday, December 06, 2003 - 12:32 am: Edit Post

The Q @ The Beacon, 12/5/03

Set 1:
Jam>
Again & Again> Jam>
Midnight Train> Jam>
Loose Lucy
Wharf Rat> Jam>
Scarlet Begonias>
Fire On The Mountain

Set 2:
Jam>
Just A Little Light>
All That We Are> Jam>
Golden Road>
Spacy Jam>
Dark Star (v1)>
I Am The Walrus> Jam>
Dark Star (v2)> Jam>
Standing On The Moon>
Viola Lee Blues
Donor Rap (Barraco)/Intros(Molo)
Enc: The Real Thing


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Gary Highman (Ezrider) on Saturday, December 06, 2003 - 12:32 am: Edit Post

This info is provided by reliable Taper Rob


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Crazy Otto (Wecanrun) on Saturday, December 06, 2003 - 12:45 am: Edit Post

i would like to be the first to offer congrats to laughing bones for going 3 for 3 on his picks
well done


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By brian mergentime (Brianthemerg) on Saturday, December 06, 2003 - 12:55 am: Edit Post

sigh...can't believe i didn't make it to any of the beacon shows, they all look pretty sweet! i was on a business trip for the first three nights, and i was supposed to go tonight....apparently i live under a rock, because i had no idea until this morning we were supposed to get 10-20 inches of snow....i had to flake and give up the tickets...bastards!

well, hopefully the rumors are correct, and the dead will do a mardi gras / spring tour...i'm sure to catch at least of handful of those shows, at least....


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By chuck (Cosmiccharlie67) on Saturday, December 06, 2003 - 01:05 am: Edit Post

Kinda weak set compared to the previous 3 nights, no? I was there on Wed. and WOW!!!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By jeeves (Ratso) on Saturday, December 06, 2003 - 01:11 am: Edit Post

nice show. liked wed nite a little bit better though.


jimmy is sunshine


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By carl_k (Tiftoo) on Saturday, December 06, 2003 - 01:14 am: Edit Post

Did Phil sing Standing on the Moon?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By jeeves (Ratso) on Saturday, December 06, 2003 - 01:24 am: Edit Post

warren i believe...


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Andrew Rubin (Agrubes) on Saturday, December 06, 2003 - 01:25 am: Edit Post

how was the real thing?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By David Miller (Dmiller862) on Saturday, December 06, 2003 - 01:52 am: Edit Post

Just got back from the show, for me it was pretty subpar. The second set had its moments, but overall a short, uninspiring show. Song by song, opening jam was short and sweet until phil brought it down to a near complete stop, a recurring theme for the nigh as the band did not seem to be able to make the smooth transition between songs (or maybe phil meant it to happen, either way a little disappointig). Again and Again, bathroom break on the first song? Come one boys, on the last show of the tour give us a cold rain or something more upbeat. Next comes midnight train, IMO one of the better TABA songs. Could be a good jamming vehicle, but a fairly pedestrian version until Warren's solo on the outro which rocked. Next Loose Lucy, again after the band just about stopped. Nice to hear but not a great Q song. Wharf Rat is a great song, but I'd just heard it sunday in Philly, and this version paled in comparison to the Tower. Scarlet->fire, nice set closer, again pales in comparison to the Sunday Philly versions, the jam in the outro of Scarlet was surprisingly short. These are great songs, just not my favorite Q songs.
Second set started off on a good note with Just a Little Light after a short jam. This was a much more laid back version than the allmans-style versions they did in 00 and 01, and the jamming in the middle was super, with jimmy building it up very nicely and warren fanning at lightning speed. That jam does touch on the Watchtower theme. Next, all that we are. First time I've heard this one played, if I'm not mistaken it's a new phil song. I was actually really into it, jimmy had some nice solos and it was a nice reflective song, nothing amazing but nice to hear. After another jam that I believe touched on either Ramble on Rose or Tennessee Jed (this was the best jam of the night, with many twists and turns and new ideas), the band launched into a rockin' version of Golden Road. I've wanted to hear this one for a long time and it didn't disappoint. Warren kicked ass on the outro. When Phil brought it down to a more mellow sound, I knew Dark Star was coming, no surprise there. A very good version with a lot more jamming on the theme than on Sunday. The beatles sandwich was I am the walrus, the surprise of the night. Everybody was into this one and the band rocked it out hard, building it up to a dizzying crescendo. After a nice jam came the second Dark Star verse, another surprise of the night, why didn't phil sing at all? I guess his voice was tired. Then standing on the moon nice song, but why not choose a better jamming vehicle for the second set? Then Viola Lee, great version. Jimmy rocked his solo and some great interplay between he and Warren. But why did the set end there? A very short night. I felt sure they stopped so early so they could do something special with the encore. Nope, real thing, another bathroom song, nothing at all special about it. Warren sings great on it, I love warren's voice, but as the last show encore? At least give us an into the mystic and wbygn. All in all, a mediocre show on a night that could have produced a great one. Songs missed: birdsong, cold rain, keep on growing, ramble on rose, and one or two big surprises.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By rich bach (Reech) on Saturday, December 06, 2003 - 02:01 am: Edit Post

not one for the ages tonite- just got back. at points people were yelling "Play some Grateful Dead".
Some nice jamming, but they could have played better songs. Last nite of the tour was a definite letdown.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Keith Meagher (Kikkoman) on Saturday, December 06, 2003 - 02:30 am: Edit Post

No Cold Rain, No Keep On Growin, no Tom Thumbs. Surprise. Unfortunate you did not get the Epic Tour Closer that everyone was hoping for. This is not uncommon. The crew was probably half packed up when the show ended. I know It's a letdown but these are human beings who have been working very hard to make this tour all that it was. I was intending to listen to the shows on Live365 but was not intending to download any shows to .shn. However, I already have 6 of the best shows on .shn, and am anxiously awaiting seeds of 12/2 and 12/4.

Wow, what a tour. Thanks to all who made it what it was. 'The Q' lives.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By leo (Leo) on Saturday, December 06, 2003 - 02:37 am: Edit Post

All That We Are

Lyrics: Phil Lesh
Music: Phil Lesh

A new Phil Lesh song, first played by The Dead on 5 August 2003 (sung by Joan Osborne).
Thanks to Bret at Philzone for the lyrics - now available at The Dead Summer Getaway 2003 website.


Open the book
Black book of night
Flip back the pages
Thread of inner sight
Saw my dream
Spinning out of control
Believe in yesterday
Today is all you really need to know

Open the door
Take a look around
Veil of sunbeam
Tears come raininí down
Where have they gone
Those I left behind
Stranded at a crossroad
Under empty sky
All that we are
All that we are

I got to keep moviní
I got to get home
I got to keep moviní
I got to keep on

All that we are
All that we are

Open your eyes
Back through the years
Ocean of sorrow
Drown a river of tears
Winding road
Call me in the dawn
Unknown land
Over far horizon walk alone

Where the winds rage
Where the ice falls
Where the sky moves
To shake me apart
Silent axis of the turning world
Glows in the flame
In the flame of our hearts

Throw the windows open wide
See the dawn outrace the tide
Let the past slip away
On the wings of yesterday

But me, I got to keep moviní
I got to get home
I got to keep moviní
I got to keep on

I got to keep moviní
I got to get home
I got to keep moviní
I got to keep on

"The Dead" Concert Recordings
5 Aug 2003 Verizon Wireless Amphitheater, Indianapolis, IN
10 Aug 2003 Jones Beach Theater, Wantagh, NY
18 Sep 2003 Verizon Wireless Amphitheater, Irvine CA


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Keith Meagher (Kikkoman) on Saturday, December 06, 2003 - 02:42 am: Edit Post

Did Phil or Warren sing Standing on the Moon?

How did 'All That We Are' sound with Phil singing? I assume Phil sang????


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Max Karten (Fluffhead) on Saturday, December 06, 2003 - 02:50 am: Edit Post

Warren sang Standing On The Moon...and my god it hit me right where it counts, deep down it was a truly sad and moving lyrical display from Warren. His pitch was EXACTLY the one of the fatman...i still miss him

And as far as the show being subpar...the Warren Rat>Scarlet>Fire was well worth face value alone. Loose Lucy, Golden Road, Star>Walrus>Star, and Viola were all descent versions, not the best but hey. Couldve used the CR&S, Brokedown, or Tom Thumbs as a second encore to really close the tour.

Very emotional end with Borraco Donor Rap and Molo band intro and the whole band hugging


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By WookiesTasteBetter (Merryprankster) on Saturday, December 06, 2003 - 02:51 am: Edit Post

very disappointed....might have been personal circumstances. Worn down, sick, and exhausted....and in the very last row of the upper balcony.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Keith Meagher (Kikkoman) on Saturday, December 06, 2003 - 03:46 am: Edit Post

At second glance the show looks pretty good except for the opening songs and the Encore.

We must remember, they had set the bar prety high over the last couple of weeks. Let's give them the CUDOs they diserve and stop complaining. I'm sure if this was your only show on tour, you would be going home happy. Sometimes expectation can really hurt!!!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Althea (Sharon) on Saturday, December 06, 2003 - 03:55 am: Edit Post

"Just got back from the show, for me it was pretty subpar."

Nothing subpar about the show I saw tonight!
yesssssssssssssssssssss!

time for beddy bye
Happy snow day!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Tom Banjo (Tomiac) on Saturday, December 06, 2003 - 04:14 am: Edit Post

PLQ ate my mind tonight.

Right now, I'm a puddle.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Scroto (Scroto) on Saturday, December 06, 2003 - 04:29 am: Edit Post

subpar. they should've played the dark star for another 25 minutes. made the rest of the set sound like skynyrd.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Scroto (Scroto) on Saturday, December 06, 2003 - 04:31 am: Edit Post

it was still great to be there.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Scroto (Scroto) on Saturday, December 06, 2003 - 04:44 am: Edit Post

Dmiller - a most accurate review. brayford and fucknuts, why post that shit? never trust a prankster? eat my ass. made it in by the second set. they should've played the dark star for 1.3 hrs. then we can speak of legendary shows. having seen thurs. and fri., i find myself and others upset at warren's cover dirges.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Takamelody (Takamelody) on Saturday, December 06, 2003 - 05:50 am: Edit Post

thanks for the great tour boyz !!!!! I wasn't
at this show in person, but definatly in spirit.
I hope this wasn't the last show for this band,
something tell's me this was the "real thing".


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Christopher B Rollins (Canartgrp) on Saturday, December 06, 2003 - 06:05 am: Edit Post

My 2 cents- Thursday and Friday smoked,were different kinds of shows about different stuff, band was more worn down by Friday and with the snow and stuff ( how you Southern boys like our weather?) but deserve long scrutiny at many levels as they were both jam packed with valuable information which might come in handy 'on down the line'.But they still get more and better dancing girls at 'the Dead' shows....


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Tom Banjo (Tomtom) on Saturday, December 06, 2003 - 08:17 am: Edit Post

Thank God it was Phried Day

Koo-Koo-Ka-Choo


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Andrew B. Blackman (2hard2handle) on Saturday, December 06, 2003 - 09:59 am: Edit Post

I think I liked Thursday the best of the 3 PLQ shows that I saw this week, but Tuesday and last night also had some very special moments to savor. The jam to end Scarlet before the Fire segue seemed to be a completely new take on the theme and it really smoked something fierce. The second set last night also was very non-traditional as to song selection (at least in some ways), so it was a pleasant surprise from that perspective, as well as being very imaginative in approach and all the material was well-played throughout (the WALRUS was Warren; damn this was a fine rendition).

I obviously do not agree with much of the criticism seen here. I do think the Friday show lacked some energy compared to the Tuesday and Thursday ones, but not liking Warren's singing takes (cover dirges)? Get yourself some new ears dude!

Take a look at the songs below. It was a "let's showcase this band's latest material" night (well, at least they had 3 songs off of TABA and they did drop in the new Lesh tune and considering what they played on other nights, I think this should have been expected). Again, Warren got a lot of the singing chores and he really shined (doing his best Joan Osborne on the new tune, ALL THAT WE ARE). Maybe Phil is the one who is sick (re: the rumor above) and that is why Warren is singing so much in this run (and hey, I certainly don't mind; I think this man interprets the material about as well as you could hope for; just count your blessings that he really has taken to this music catalogue and knows how to make it work in his own style).

The band's closing night "thank yous" really spoke volumes about this bandís group psyche. The smiles, the hugs, and the words at the end all told you just how much fun these guys are having with this experiment and the enormous respect they have for one another. When is the next show?

Set 1:

Jam>Again and Again> Jam>Midnight Train> Jam>Loose Lucy
Wharf Rat>Jam>Scarlet Begonias>Fire On The Mountain

Set 2:

Jam> Just A Little Light>All That We Are (this was sung by Warren*)>Jam(Tennessee flavored)>Golden Road>Spacey Jam>Dark Star (v1)>I Am The Walrus>Jam>Dark Star (v2)>Jam>Standing On The Moon>Viola Lee Blues
(The official band set-lists showed Cosmic Charlie to follow Viola Lee, but they 86'd it!....again, was Phil ill?)

Donor Rap by Rob Barraco
Band Intros by John Molo
E: The Real Thing

*A new Phil Lesh song, first played by The Dead on 5 August 2003 (sung by Joan then)


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By RockandRollGoddess (Rrg) on Saturday, December 06, 2003 - 10:06 am: Edit Post

they left us wanting more ..
spring tour 2004 ? ; )


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By BassGreat (Leshphilling) on Saturday, December 06, 2003 - 10:29 am: Edit Post

>>spring tour 2004 ? ; )

God I hope so!!

:-)


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By mikepace (Mpace) on Saturday, December 06, 2003 - 10:39 am: Edit Post

it was the best of times, it was the worst of times.......


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By TOM MCGANN (Bklynpolar) on Saturday, December 06, 2003 - 10:44 am: Edit Post

the show was good
had some real nice moments

i am the walrus rocked

nothing wrong with this show
each show is a little different

the sound was great
the crowd was great

the problem is that people look to criticize


go to a show
listen to the music
see some friends and have a good timw

happy holidays to all
god bless the grateful dead
god bless america




Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By know user (Knowuser) on Saturday, December 06, 2003 - 10:44 am: Edit Post

The first set was nice. Again and Again is a beautiful lyric on a pretty melody, and a great opener. So much fun to sing I'm sure. Followed by midnight train, a song I don't hear that often. I love the lyrics. Loose Lucy is always welcome. I wish they would save it for encores. I love Wharf Rat, though I like it in the second set. China cat intro shifted into Scalet Begonias. Nice stops, shifts and breaks throughout working it up to a Fire that was well concealled, no one was sure if it was coming. The whole arrangement was crafted and exicuted very well. Fire came on with a higher tempo which I enjoyed very much. Fire has not been one of my past favorites because of it's slow repetious length, but with a higher tempo it's a different song for me. I really liked it. Some songs like Uncle John's Band, I don't like at all with the increase in tempo, seems sort of irreverent. I'd also like to see Help slip Franklin slowed down a little, at least the Franklins. Anyway...the scarlet fire was hot and a great 1st set end.

A little light, great song to play and sing, fun for all, and a hot jam. All that we are, I haven't heard too often and don't know it very well, all new songs are welcome and refreshing. Golden Road, great song, odd placing, no complaints though. DarkStar>Walrus>DarkStar>OnTheMoon>Viola Lee the highlight string of the show and a wonderful end of tour closer. Love to have that string on disc. The real thing encore says it all, great meaningful song, great encore, great tour end. Please take notice that we need to stop seeing so called "great shows" or "poor shows" in terms of whether or not we like them, what's important is whether or not they like them. I would rather have them play what inspires them, than sacrifice it to please us. Long live the Muse.
I appologize because this forum has no spell check, that i am aware of.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By LessThan (Lessthan) on Saturday, December 06, 2003 - 10:56 am: Edit Post

>>>>I would rather have them play what inspires them, than sacrifice it to please us.

HAL-A-Q-YA!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By James Woodruff (Jumpturn) on Saturday, December 06, 2003 - 11:04 am: Edit Post

SPRING TOUR 2004!!!! COME ON BOYZ!!!!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Adam Gittman (Weluvdead) on Saturday, December 06, 2003 - 11:37 am: Edit Post

>>>>I would rather have them play what inspires them, than sacrifice it to please us.

Can you enlighten the rest of the "Zonedowners" that they should wake up and enjoy the music in what ever form,list,and singer it comes.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Laughing Bones (Laughing_bones1) on Saturday, December 06, 2003 - 11:51 am: Edit Post

>>>>>>Nothing subpar about the show I saw tonight! yesssssssssssssssssssss!

AGREED.

EXCELLENT SHOW, WITH MANY HIGH PEAKS!!!

THE BEACON IS HOME AND WEE ARE LUCKY TO HAVE IT>

JUST HOPE THESE NBOYS COME BACK IN SPRING :-)


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Rob (Waitomo) on Saturday, December 06, 2003 - 12:18 pm: Edit Post

Someone please explain this to me: Why the hell would some people (like this guy, Brayton) post up here that last night's show was cancelled? Is there some kind of animosity between PLQ fans and Ratdog fans that I don't know about? Enlighten me, please.....

Last night was good. Didn't particularly enjoy the first set but they did pick it up for Scarlet-Fire. The second set was much better (IMHO). Golden Road kicked. Walrus crushed. Nice to hear it so close to the anniversary of John's death. Viola was great as well.

Rob and John doing the rap at the end was nice. You can really tell that these guys love playing together. Hell, Warren loves playing, period!! I was redoing my bathroom and he showed up to jam. And that is no knock on Warren. Just a testament to how much he loves playing music. It shows....

And to those complaining about the show seeming a bit short: it was the last night of a nice run, Phil (although he doesn't act it) is in his 60's with someone else's liver and the weather was really rotten. Just a teensy bit of slack, please..


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Eric (The_answer_man) on Saturday, December 06, 2003 - 12:19 pm: Edit Post

As they say here in New York, on the FAN....."first time, long time......"


anyway, I went to all 4 shows, and I would definitely not call last night "subpar", or "dissapointing" as others have dubbed it. It was just a little different. Wed, and Thurs. were definitely incredible nights, but last night was very solid too.

I guess the crowd was not all that into it because it was the "Friday, NYC" crowd.. the people that get their tickets from their offices, and are going to catch a "Dead" show on a Friday. They dont know any non-dead song, and will keep comparing them to the Dead, and requesting Bobby.
Before I begin my review, I just want to say these guys are not the freaking Grateful Dead, they are Phil and Friends. Different band members, different style, different music. If you go there expecting to hear a Dead show, you are not doing yourself justice. You cannot sit there and be upset when they do Midnight Train, or the Real Thing (which was a sweet encore for me) and then talk to your buddy throughout the whole song just because it is one that you do not know. If you would stop talking for one second and actually try to listen to the music, then maybe you can appreciate this band for the excellent freaking Quintet that they are!

ok, sorry had to get that off my chest, now the quick review

SET I: opened with Again & Again>Midnight Train, it was nice, I love midnight train. By the time that Loose Lucy came on, the place was pretty much full, and this really got the place going. I love when Rob sings. Then it happened, a spacey jam, fiddling around, feeling that 1st set Wharf Rat. I feel that this band has now made this one of "their" songs. The way they do it, the pace it flows with, the lengthy jam near the end that seems to go deep into outer-space, and the powerful singing of Mr. Haynes makes Wharf Rat one of my fav PLQ songs. Definitely one of the highlights for me. Then Phil rumbling into Scarlet, very nice version, got the place jumping, then suprisingly, to me at least, into Fire, not dissapointed, but not expected. nice jamming, very nice ending to close the set. nice, good stuff.

SET II: good jam, nice pace, trying to feel out whats gonna happen, then Just a Little Light, first time hearing it for me, and it was nice. Warren cant really make any song not worth hearing, very nice, then a sweet jam at the end of it, then into All That We Are, I remembered this tune from 8/10/03 at Jones Beach, where Joan sang it, it was just as beautiful last night. "Silent axis of the turning world Glows in the flame In the flame of our hearts."

Like the 1st set, two nice slower songs to open it, and then BAM!!, and escalating jam, Phil thumping, oh and by the way, during the 4 nights, I was in the Orchestra twice, and the Loge, and the Lower Balcony, and last night Phil's Bass was profound, definitely turned up a few notches last night!! anyways, into Golden Road, another one of the highlights for me. Everyone singing, dancing, having a great time. The outro jam, was in my opinion, one of the best jams of the Beacon run. It started slow, and before you knew it, everyone was playing as fast as anyone possibly could, Phil's hands were flying up and down, Rob was banging on the keys, Molo in another universe, and of course Jimmy and Warren doing their thing. This jam escalated to a point where the person behind me said he thought his heart stopped for a second, the intensity was so high I wish I could better express it in words (guess thats why Im not an English major), but all I know is that I had the chills for a good 3 minutes.
so now we are well within the 2nd set, and you know the Dark Star is approaching...they dip into the spacey jam, lights are low, Jimmy and Warren going back and forth, very nice pace, and flow...then they drop into it. Very Sweet Stuff! I just closed my eyes, and let the rhythm take me, very good version, jamming out of Verse 1, knowing that we are within the Dark Star, and have yet to hear that elusive, nightly, Beatles song.....then they slow it down, and Rob genlty tapping on the keys, then faster a bit, and then YEAHHH WALRUS!!! This one always gets the place rocking, and man did it, I thought the people from the Balcony were going to fall over while they were "Coo-Coo-Cachooing", everyone is pumped, energy is high, and of course the outro jam was sick, Rob still singing, the level getting higher and higher, then slooowwinngg down, back into Dark Star.....even right now i cant help myself from my head bobbing just thinking about it. second verse sweet, great flow, another intsene jam after DS, then they slow it down again.
I hear Standing on the Moon, but I really could not believe it. This was the last highlight for me, and probably my favorite song of the night. I could not wait to hear Warren sing this one, my only concern was being able to hold back the tears. WOW it was AMAZING!!! He sang it like only one other person ever could, and it felt perfect. "A lonley view of heaven, but I'd rather be with you, be with you..." then the closer, Full Viola, I prefer this one usually broken up, I love when the jam back into it, but it worked for me, the guy behind me tapped me on the shoulder, and said "I love China Cat", I just nodded my head to him affirming the fact that he had no idea what was coming. Viola was sweet, nice jam before the last verse, good closer.

then the "controversial" encore as stated before I love "The Real Thing" it is as sweet of a song as they come. I wouldve definitely preferred Brokedown, and was hoping for a Double Encore, but I was not upset, I am more than happy with Warren singing me my way home. "He was the real thing No doubt about it The kind that you remember when they're gone The real thing
Put here for a reason We knew someday the whole world Was going to know his name He was the real thing"

then the best part of the week, the donor rap/intros. you just felt the love that these men have for each other, I really thought Molo was gonna cry when he jokingly said he has to hold back the tears, everyone hugging, it just felt like one big family, absolutely perfect!

so here we are now, its been 1 and a half years since the last tour, and who knows how long it will be until the "Q" comes around again, but man oh man, these past 4 nights virtually gave me my fill until the next time....



Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By dan (Gratefuldan) on Saturday, December 06, 2003 - 12:32 pm: Edit Post

This about sums it up for me.

Yellow matter custard, dripping from a dead dog's eye!
Crabalocker fishwife, pornographic priestess
Boy you been a naughty girl you let your knickers down!

I am the eggman!
They are the eggmen!
I am the walrus!
Goo goo g'joob!
:-)


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Steve (Knewjerzee) on Saturday, December 06, 2003 - 12:45 pm: Edit Post

Here's hoping The Dead stay in hibernation for awhile and PLQ comes back in the spring.

I missed the show on Wednesday but Thursday was clearly the best show in NYC.

That being said, can you imagine how f*cking great these guys would be if they played together year round?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Eric (The_answer_man) on Saturday, December 06, 2003 - 12:56 pm: Edit Post

no, i couldnt


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By mike (Abbboy) on Saturday, December 06, 2003 - 01:20 pm: Edit Post

If you made it to the show on Friday and it was your first show of the run, it was by far the weakest night of the run. Weak is a strong word, maybe the slowest night of the run. Not even close to the energy of the previous 3 nights. I am sorry it worked out that way, but that's the way it goes. Weak in comparison to the best ever is still pretty damn good, but it was mellow, somber, almost an uncertainty as to this bands future and it was reflecting in the music. Very mellow random setlist, lots of Phil tunes, and it just wasn't the same band as in the previous 3 nights. Definitely had its best ever moments but they were few and far between. I think the bandmembers know that the chemistry is beyond and they were sad that it may be the last time, at least for a while. This was evident in Rob Barracco & John Molo's closing statements at the end of the show. Rob did the organ donor, and Molo was nearly in tears, gushing at how this band has special chemistry and how this last night is really sad for him because the band doesn't hang out, when they're not playing and how he's gonna miss the guys, and to forgive him if he chokes up while introducing the band. It made the hairs on your neck stand up. I can't imagine this band will never play again, but at the same time it may not be for a while. Hope they do play frequently!!!! Anyway, check out the words to Again & Again & The Real Thing. Phil song to open, Phil song to close.

Opening phrase speaks: I've come a long way with you
A long, long way with you

Closing phrase speaks: It was the real thing
No doubt about it
The kind that you remember when it's gone

Set 1: Jam>
Again and Again> Jam>
Midnight Train> Jam>
Loose Lucy
Wharf Rat> Jam>
Scarlet Begonias>
Fire On The Mountain

Set 2: Jam> Just A Little Light>
All That We Are (Warren)>
Jam> Golden Road>
Spacey Jam> Dark Star (v1)>
I Am The Walrus> Jam>
Dark Star (v2)> Jam>
Standing On The Moon>
Viola Lee Blues
Donor Rap by Rob Barraco
Band Intros by John Molo
E: The Real Thing

I've tried hard not to read into lyrics in music lately, but those were buzzing in my head when I woke up this morning. I love the lyrics at the end of the song though:

This is the real thing
No doubt about it
Who cares if they love you and you're gone
This is the real thing
So you were put here for a reason
But what gives you the right to quit when you're tired
Anyway boy, this ain't no game
This is the real thing

A bold statement by the band. Freakin' weird considering my statements from a review I sent to a different list yesterday, see below:

(This shits the shit. I've really tried
to get over the my band is better than your band thing, and to each
their own, personally my band is lots of bands, but you know the best
when you hear it.)

Its the truth though. You know the best when you hear it. This band is the Real Thing. They'll be back, because who gives a shit if we talk about how great they were and they're gone. What gives them the right to quit? It ain't no game, its the Real Thing, and I'm looking fwd. to the next chapter of Phil Lesh & Friends!!

This is the real thing
No doubt about it
Who cares if they love you and you're gone
This is the real thing
So you were put here for a reason
But what gives you the right to quit when you're tired
Anyway boy, this ain't no game
This is the real thing


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Stondagain (Stondagain) on Saturday, December 06, 2003 - 01:30 pm: Edit Post

the reviews all pretty much dead on, as far as i'm concerned. a lot of sweet warren songs, but they lost me in a couple of jams and never built a ton of momentum. I am the Walrus was a standout - those vocal effects were sick.

the more i think about it, it was kind of a bittersweet show to end the tour.

HOWEVER, it's a testament to how good these guys are that a show of that caliber could be considered a performance where they weren't firing on all cylinders. And for gods sake, Thursday night had to have some of the most powerful musical moments I've experienced in 25 years of concert going.

Thank you Phil!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Andrew B. Blackman (2hard2handle) on Saturday, December 06, 2003 - 01:36 pm: Edit Post

I liked the review from Eric (the answer man). His views were pretty close with my own.

Any of you having a hard time with Warren doing Jerry's role should really take down those blinders you have on (and unclog your mind, as well as your ears). There will never be anyone like Jerry and Warren is no imitator (he is not even trying to be; there is no point in trying and he doesn't need to imitate anybody, although there are tribute nods here and there, which are appropriate). Pure and simple Mr. Haynes does this material about as much justice as can be done by anyone trying to interpret it in his own image.

As to the Bobby-bashers out there, I happen to enjoy PLQ's approach to the music more than the current DEAD, but let us not treat this as some form of competition, because it is not. I think Bobby lost more in losing Jerry to play with than Phil did (simply from a creative standpoint and it is only IMHO). Beyond that Bobby's contributions to the catalogue of DEAD music is not unmatched (Garcia/Hunter is about as formidable a friendly competitive writing team as any and Phil too, when he was motivated), but he is responsible for some of the most complicated and imaginative stuff in the DEAD's repertoire. How can anyone in his or her right mind not appreciate the October Queen entry he recently brought to us? As good as Warren and Jimmy are at lead, go listen to the recent Dick's Picks 30 from March 1972 (probably better than all of the stuff released from the Europe tour that followed) and tell me that Weir was not the perfect rhythm guitarist for Jerry to romp over and around (and Weirís occasional leads were also pretty terrific counter-points to Jerryís). While Weir can play with many folks, he really shined when he teamed with Jerry. Jerry could play with anybody (just like Warren), so it is really an unfair comparison.

The way things are now will just have to suffice. I don't know what alternatives we got and we probably should be grateful they figured out a way to do what we have. Bobby plays with a technically great guitarist now (JH), who can stand-in and fill the runs and spaces in the music and do it with consistency, but never can really capture what Jerry brought to the mix (I donít know that anyone will ever take that many chances ever again); Jimmy may never be able to get Bobby to play the way he sounded on Dickís Picks 30.

The most magic, for me anyway, will come from the PLQ line-up. I have to admit that I do like the lack of constraints on song positioning that PLQ brings too.

Stop complaining and just enjoy. Who has my next ticket?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Blue (Finn) on Saturday, December 06, 2003 - 02:19 pm: Edit Post

I thought last night was a perfect ending to a great run. I was turned on like a faucet during warf rat and it lasted through to the real thing. It was simply beautiful...sad to see them go, but beautiful.

I was actually hoping that mamma nature would keep 'em around with this blizzard so they'd add another night. but now mikeabboy got me hoping that they're all snowed in together. Ahhhh, I do love blizzards for that....it keeps the party going.

and for all you people complaining, I'm making up T-shirts next year that are going to say

SOULSHINE

on the front and on the back, it's gonna say

IF YOU'RE NOT HAVING A GOOD TIME,
IT'S YOUR OWN DAMN FAULT




Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By kenny kars (Spanish_jam) on Saturday, December 06, 2003 - 02:24 pm: Edit Post

Did not see any of the beacon shows but I like what Eric had to say....also like Andrew B. and his input.

Would love to hear more about the beacon run.


Adios amigo


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Lord Henry (Terrapindew) on Saturday, December 06, 2003 - 02:24 pm: Edit Post

RIGHT ON MIKE !!!

Huckster Im waiting on you to show me what visions you saw....


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Bucky (Bucky) on Saturday, December 06, 2003 - 03:08 pm: Edit Post

>>>>>Then Viola Lee, great version. Jimmy rocked his solo and some great interplay between he and Warren

Yeah, all 6-7 minutes of it.

YES, SIX-SEVEN minutes.

Keyshawn timed it.

So much for 'stellar' & 'nothing subpar about this show'.....

Simply put, it was one of the WORST P&F shows I've EVER seen.

A very good Dark Star sandwich surrounded by a bunch of pretty good to mediocre to downright poor stuff.


Anyhow, the less impressive the show, the easier the review.......

Here goes:

A good opening jam with hints of Dark Star gave way to Again & Again.
Bathroom time & I didn't even really have to go yet, but I figured I better go because they're gonna get the crap out of the way & kill us since it's last night of the tour & I better go while I can.
Little did I know I could have had dysentary & not missed a thing tonight......

In the bathroom, this guy's complaining "I hope I don't have to spend all night in here because they play too much new stuff."

Prophetic........

So, I get back in, a good jam leads right to the brink of Playin' & just as they're about to start it, Midnight TRain.
I like this tune, but...

1. TWO new songs to start the show?
2. ESPECIALLY the last show?
3. Not a the expense of Playin'.

Good jam going out, BIG Alligator hints, but we get a slow unjammed Loose Lucy. 0-3.

Wharf Rat. Pretty slow & not too inspired.

Scarlet. Average, which means decent until the jam out.
Fast, like Warfield. Very intense, excellent but short, 5 minutes tops. Then, back into the Scarlet 'coda', right into Fire, short first instrumental, long very good 2nd one, short jam back into the Scarlet 'coda' again to end the set.

I saw a few people during the break & described this set as such:

"I had a mental picture of walking in the rain, trying to step on ground between puddles & every time I tried to step on another piece of ground - a song - it turned out to be a pile of dog shit instead."

Most people agreed.
Not ONE song until Scarlet that had ANY 'jamability'......

Another guy got in late & asked what he missed....

"Scarlet > Fire"

"That's it?"

"Yup"

2nd set..........

Opening jam was all over Dancin' for a few minutes before disolving into Just A Little Light.
Oh joy, a breakout.
Good thing I didn't get ANOTHER St Stephen instead......
It was a very good version, I like P&F's versions, but to open the 2nd set the last night after that first set, come on, you're wasting valuable time here, Phil. This is beginning to look really bad.......
On 2nd thought, Just A little Light is going to be one of the highlights of the 2nd set in about an hour & twenty minutes......

Some new song. Alright, nothing close to special, intense or great, but again, this is the last night of the tour & MORE valuable time has been wasted & by now I realize Phil OBVIOUSLY doesn't share the same enthusiasm about last night of the tour that we all do, especially after what most of us had to do to get here with the weather & traffic nightmares.......

A jam went fairly quickly into Golden Road. Decent, but it petered out in the end without ever hitting any intensity.

Golden Road wound down into a Spanish Jammy sound for a short bit that went into a long (for 2003) Dark Star that was the highlight of the show & the best playing all night without question.

There were a few periods that were speeded up like 1969 tempo, a pretty long interlude between the 1st verse & Walrus where they chugged into TOO theme for a breif instant, then began to head out before they went back into the DS theme right before Walrus & I thought they'd sing the 2nd verse then.

It was one of the best Dark Stars I've seen, but even that can't save a lackluster performance & make it a great show.

A great jam after Dark Star for about 3-5 minutes, the only time all night they caught a wave & rode it.

Then, back to reality on this night.....
Standing On The
Line To Pee

'Nuff said there.
I was almost wishing for Stella.

Then the aforementioned 6-7 minute Viola.
LAME.

The Real Thing for the encore on the last night of the tour.......

Like the cheery on top of a setlist shit sundae.

And Phil stands out there with his arms outstretched solliciting cheers after each set like "Aren't we amazing?"

No, Phil, you guys were not.

So, after the bogusest of encores, I booed & gave them 2 thumbs down.
For a LOOOONG time.
Even while people were leaving & the lights were on, I stood there with 'Two Thumbs Down'.
Just to let him know not everyone is a trained seal who doesn't know great from OK.





Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Bucky (Bucky) on Saturday, December 06, 2003 - 03:15 pm: Edit Post

Oh, one more thing:

I was right......

It turned out there was NO WAY THe Beacon run could top Philly.

Not when they go out like this on the last night.

Not when Taper Rob is on Chat Thursday night saying of Help > Slip > Franklins, while they're playing it:

"It BLEW!"

Philly, on the other hand, the shows went like this:

BIG
BIGGER
BIGGEST


THat's the way an EPIC run goes & that's why I said going in "No way The Beacon Run will top Philly."


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By NJ Trader (Njtrader) on Saturday, December 06, 2003 - 03:16 pm: Edit Post

I saw the whole Beacon run and don't think I would call last night 'subpar.' Like the other 3 nights there were high points, and not so. I particularly enyoed the DS>Walrus>DS, SOTM. One thing i will say about this band, is they kept me dancing until the end of the show each night. This is an achievement, bc I am no longer in "4 night in a row shape" ;-)

The snow actually helped last night, bc no one in their right mind was driving into the city (present company excluded). A little slow, but no traffic and free street parking was abundant :-)

A lot of people have asked is this night better than that night, etc etc. Bc I didn't work, and the past 4 days revolved around the Q, I think of the 8 sets and 4 encores as one body of music. I can pick highlights from each night, but (IMHO) it's not like the GD days where you could get a "good night" or "off night."

A big thanks to Phil for keeping this band going... definitely the best thing out there for me :-)


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By backonthebus (Backonthebus) on Saturday, December 06, 2003 - 03:22 pm: Edit Post

I geuss it's all about what kind of Q you favor. For me, Thurs was IT! Buzzing all day yesterday from it. Last night...well-played, to be sure, but it wasn't my kind of show. I will say unapologetically that Warren, does NOT sound like Skynyrd. I wish. Rather, he has a touch of 80's generic rawk melodrama. Apparently, many people love it love love it. I do not. SNOOOOOZE. Not to say it SUX, it just ain't my thing.

So, with that start, about an hour of stuff that I wasn't into, I could appreciate it intellectualy, always good to watch these artists do their amazing thing. Still, an hour of dirges left it's mark. The new song sounds like much of the other slow stuff on TABA.

I enjoyed the show, some great stuff in their, especially SCARLET, what a hot jam in there. Just a little light was good, like that song. Wharf rat, very nice. Walrus beautifully sung by RB, very good as we saw the dakota yesterday. Viola Lee was mellower than I had seen before, but it was a well done. Nice introspective dark star. I will say that I thought the meandering between songs was actually better than when I had seen them before. It seemed to have direction, and it sounded pleasing to my ears--not that screeching high stuff that I used to hear. Def enjoyed that part.

I am very glad that I caught Thurs night's show too, cause if this had been my only one, I would not appreciate the power of the Q. Molo is king. This one was for the Warrenistas and I think they rightly appreciated it. Glad I went, appreciated every note, but we all have our favorite types of shows. Thurs night was my show.

Worst encore choice ever.
Weird vibe last night.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By mikepace (Mpace) on Saturday, December 06, 2003 - 03:44 pm: Edit Post

Who clocked me in the head with a water bottle from the balcony / loge during either SOTM or Viola (i forget which)..... please step up... lol


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Taperrob (Taperrob) on Saturday, December 06, 2003 - 03:47 pm: Edit Post

LT,

Q THE MUSIC



>>Then, back to reality on this night.....
Standing On The
Line To Pee

thats a good one... made me laugh


btw Bucky, never said Thursdays show "Blew"... go back to thursdays reviews for my comment...

>>(The official band set-lists showed Cosmic Charlie to follow Viola Lee, but they 86'd it!....again, was Phil ill?)


at the end of Viola, Barraco was sitting there ready to play on while Phil, Jimmy and Warren were putting their instruments down. he picked up his copy of the list and looked at it, then looked over to Phil, who i guess said they were done.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By FREE ROB! (Let_rob_sing) on Saturday, December 06, 2003 - 03:55 pm: Edit Post

Whoever posted before that expectations can take from the experience is real smart. That was my first show of the tour, and I thought it was outstanding. The jams definitely were short, and I was disappointed by the new songs on the list, but the show still was outstanding in my view.

Scarlet>Fire A+. I loved the jam, molo tore it.

Viola- Did anybody else see Rob actually punch his keys(not out of anger) during the song?
Very high energy even tho it was short. Almost no noodling all night.

The real thing as an encore choice sucked. So what. Great show


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Bucky (Bucky) on Saturday, December 06, 2003 - 03:56 pm: Edit Post

>>>>The snow actually helped last night, bc no one in their right mind was driving into the city (present company excluded). A little slow, but no traffic

Where were YOU coming from and when?

We left from 60-65 miles away in CT. at 12:50 for a 1:15 drive & 4:45 later, we left our car at a train station 40 miles away from our house & took a train into Manhattan.
Otherwise, we wouldn't have made it. NO way.

Wish I went to FLA & was going to see KEITH URBAN - he rocks - in Jacksonville today instead, but things didn't work out & I had to stay here & watch Paul......


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By paradisewaits (Willows_dream) on Saturday, December 06, 2003 - 03:57 pm: Edit Post

...it was hired goons with bad aim from DNC, pace....lol


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By kenny kars (Spanish_jam) on Saturday, December 06, 2003 - 03:58 pm: Edit Post

Come on Bucky....your holding back..quit beating around the bush..tell us what you really thought of last night Beacon!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Bucky (Bucky) on Saturday, December 06, 2003 - 03:59 pm: Edit Post

>>>>btw Bucky, never said Thursdays show "Blew"... go back to thursdays reviews for my comment...


Nor did I say you did.....

Help > Slip > Franklins, you did.....

"Saving it for tommorow I guess" too, remember?

They ran out of steam.......


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By evan11 (Evan11) on Saturday, December 06, 2003 - 04:05 pm: Edit Post

Thank you Phil and Friends -- it's been a grrreeeat ride! I'm completely drained and satisfied by the past week of shows - we've been blessed to get this great run!! Happy Holidays everyone! Next up - the MULE!!!!

Thank you to everyone who's been so kind along the way - spreadin' good vibes all around our kind community!

and go EAGLES!!! NFC Champs baby!!

Special thanks for bringing us ANOTHER run of extra kind WEEKEND shows in Philly - we always seem to get preferred treatment with scheduling -- BRING SOME MORE IN '04!!!!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Bucky (Bucky) on Saturday, December 06, 2003 - 04:08 pm: Edit Post

>>>>>at the end of Viola, Barraco was sitting there ready to play on while Phil, Jimmy and Warren were putting their instruments down. he picked up his copy of the list and looked at it, then looked over to Phil, who i guess said they were done.


You know, I thought they were talking about ADDING a song......

You could see something going on.
They were talking about getting the hell out of Dodge.

That explains alot.

Gas tank WAS empty.

No wonder they chose so many songs that didn't take alot of effort to play.

As for Scarlet > Fire being A+.....

Yes, a highlight last night, but, anything that had ANY jamability was a highlight last night except that poor excuse for Viola. You shoulda heard the 15 minute jam between Scarlet & Fire in Philly to OPEN the show last sunday.....


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Huck Lewis (Huckberry) on Saturday, December 06, 2003 - 04:11 pm: Edit Post

Loved the Encore.
THE REAL THING
no doubt about it
The Kind The You Remember When They're Gone.

Bucky, so nice to run into you at set break and right at the end of the show. I appreciate your opinion, I like seeing you, but are you aware that telling me how much this show sucked as it's still seeping into my veins is what is commonly known as a Buzz Kill??? Just tellin it like it is. Maybe you should let people enjoy the things they like without deflating the balloon animals. Maybe that would be generous of you.

It was a GREAT SHOW. The night before was not my favorite (as many other versions of the same songs had been better played at other venues, for instance...Philly Cumberland, but EXCEPTING the Terrapin and the HSF and the yummy Sunshine.) Much that had been hinted at in the jam the night before was INDEED played - Dark Star, Scarlet, Wharf Rat....needed the FOTD and Cosmic Charlie to wrap it up.

Mike/abbboy - nicely done on the phrasing. I found the A&A a nice way to start. I love that song, love that it is Jimmy's, love the build. Midnight Train....TABA....Philco...seems to be saying something about the identity of THIS band....as opposed to....other...bands.

LOOSE LUCY!!! Tour closer....Thank YOU for a real good time, band. It was awesome. I danced MY ASS OFF. Jumped all over the place. WOOOOOOOOOO

The Rat, I'm standing behind everything I said on this tour, loved The Rat and what it means to me now. Great WARREN song. :-)

Scarlet. I cried as each member threw down and I realized how much I love each one. Jimmy shines, Warren scorches, Rob lights it up, Molo lays it down, Phil drives the bus. I will miss you guys, the way you bring such joy to the stage.

Fire. GET UP GET UP GET OUT OF THE DOOR. I was hoping it could be scarfirelight as in Boston so NYC could appreciate the coolness of that. However the set ended. ;)

This is when it starts getting odd. Huge Zoner smokebreak marred by the knowledge that a friend has had cop trouble entering the venue....I spend much of the set break trying to rectify the situation, put it in place, get the friend's wife into the venue (cops took both of their tickets). Suddenly as tour ends it's like the real world is crashing in around us.

JALL to start set 2. Interesting. The band tears this song up.

All That We Are. I could tell it was the Dead song I had heard at Jones....listened to half, ran to the bathroom. Growing on me. Anyone else find the opening words....ummmmm.....well....
"Open the book
Black book of night
Flip back the pages
Thread of inner sight "
maybe it's just me. THREAD in the BOOK with BLACK PAGES......remind you of anything??? :-)

GOLDEN ROAD
holy motha
JOIN THE PARTY yes siree bob
It was a front row highlight for me in Boston....a friend experienced it from courtside in Philly....so to hear it closing out the tour makes good sense.
Dark Star Walrus Star Moon - WOW - must listen to the discs to detail it....just remember being stunned.

Viola. I'm thinking of my friend who didn't get into the show. And indeed, band, you have a friend somewhere.

As do all of we.
And perhaps that's this weird feeling that I have today. Bittersweet tour ending? maybe.
But that yearning....that searching. I almost don't have it. I feel satiated.

Bucky - so glad you had the Tower. If you love the Grateful Dead you loved the Tower Run. But if you love Phil and Friends, you NEEDED the Beacon. You had to experience those last two shows, the Beatles covers, the Sunshine, the TABA songs, along with the Dead. THE JAMS!!! Thursday JAMS, FRIDAY DARK STAR. Who does this but Philco??? No one.

I could walk away from the whole thing now and feel as though I took away something totally valuable.

Because, in the end, the raison d'etre for being at the BEACON is ALWAYS THE MUSIC. The people? The people in general suck. Selfishly spun, letting the ego destroy the creative process, too stuck on making THAT show the best ever, at the risk of denying the reality around themselves.

More later. But truly.....I could walk away from it all and never regret it. Someone else can have that next whoop ass show. I just seen the ultramega. I will carry it in my soul forever.

"Aren't we amazing?!??!"

YOU BLOW ME AWAY, PHILCO.
it's the ancillary people with their insecurities, egos, and just plain cruel ridicness that make me want to step off the carousel. Lessons Learned......throw off the mortarboard....at least, that's how it felt.

Surely more later - but for real.....THIS SHOW WAS SUPERIOR.



Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Rob Molyneux (Darkstar420) on Saturday, December 06, 2003 - 04:28 pm: Edit Post

After 5 shows in a week I`m a little spent and sooooo much has gone on that I wouldn`t even know where to begin. I`ll have to go back and post all of my thoughts from each night. I was definately thinking yesterday...friday night...last show...at the beacon...it`s gonna be sick. Especially after Thursday nights sick show. What`s with the setlist on Friday though? They did way too many slow songs in the 1st set last night. Loose Lucy was tight and I`ll never complain about a scarlet->fire. Normally that makes a show in itself for me, but I really thought the first set was slow cause they were gonna tear the roof off the second set. Not the case. Second set was better, but after Tuesday, Thursday and that first set Wed, I figured Friday was gonna be cosmic. Did someone on here say Phil was sick? I think we really drained the boys this week and it was apparent last night. Oh well, I`ll take a sub-par show over nothing anyday. Just to hear and see them for the past week has been a blessing. Thanks boys for a great week and I`ll be sure to post more on the rest of the craziest, happiest week of my life.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Rob (Waitomo) on Saturday, December 06, 2003 - 04:43 pm: Edit Post

Hey Bucky,

I'm new to this board, but it appears that you are a WORLD CLASS ASSHOLE. Do you have a life beyond criticizing Phil shows that don't live up to your own obviously warped standards?

I might not have cared for parts of last night's show either, but your thoughts on the matter are downright nasty.

And I thought I heard someone booing last night. Now it makes sense that it was a jackass like you.

We'll see what you're doing when you're 63, you stupid motherfucker.

THANK YOU PHIL & FRIENDS FOR THE MUSIC. ALWAYS!!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Adam Gittman (Weluvdead) on Saturday, December 06, 2003 - 04:46 pm: Edit Post

Bucky

Stop Going to shows

You Blow


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Bucky (Bucky) on Saturday, December 06, 2003 - 04:50 pm: Edit Post

>>>>I like seeing you, but are you aware that telling me how much this show sucked as it's still seeping into my veins is what is commonly known as a Buzz Kill??? Just tellin it like it is.

Just telling it like it is?
Me too.

What was I supposed to say "Lest I kill your buzz......uh.....The show was.......uh....AWESOME!"?

Don't worry.
It will NEVER happen again because you'll NEVER see me again.
I said that going in & I'm saying it today.
No more shows, I'm retired - Again. :-)

All I could think of last night during one crappy song after another was "I left an autistic child with a babysitter who never watched him before to come here for THIS?"
All I wanted was to get home to him where I should've been in the first place.

So, sorry, dudette, to cause a buzzkill. It'a %^%^ING stupid idiotic concert, you Huckleberry, not real life. Get a grip......

And before you say that jaded my view of the show last night, it didn't. Last week, when I loved every second of every show in Philly, & even tolerated Stella Blue (note spelling), I was standing there listening & just wishing I was not there.

So, I won't be.

Too much stress, pain, smoke & idiots like the guy on the train bragging about puking at the show & saying the only thing better would've been having videotaped it.
They got so bad, swearing, talking loud, calling their female freind a "Fucking Ass Slut Blah Blah Blah" that KEY - not me - told them to watch their mouths.....
Of course, I kinda gave them a 'bit' after that too. Told 'em their parents should wash their mouths out with soap, have some respect for the people on the train, & maybe I should go get the police officers who just walked by if they didn't shut up......

Anyhow, rest easy, Huck.

Your 'buzz' is safe......

Go to 'The Dead' this Summer safe & comfortable in the knowledge you can revel in the awesomeness of an El Paso > Peggio > Red Rooster without me to kill your buzz a half hour later.




Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Rob (Waitomo) on Saturday, December 06, 2003 - 04:53 pm: Edit Post

Dude, don't let the door hit you on the way out.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Adam Gittman (Weluvdead) on Saturday, December 06, 2003 - 04:54 pm: Edit Post

Bucky

You'll be at more shows

Your an Addict

You don't like it when your there but you keep going back

Thats an addict


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Rob (Waitomo) on Saturday, December 06, 2003 - 04:57 pm: Edit Post

He is an addict. He has 3,196 posts to this board since June, 2001. GET A LIFE.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By greg (Gregschmegg) on Saturday, December 06, 2003 - 04:58 pm: Edit Post

agreed huck ..sick-o tour closer!

I find it funny folks travel through knee deep snow and madness to see a tour closer, they get it...and dont like it.

Last night was a sick show. It so much reminded me of tour..when we toured in '01...the love, the good byes, allot of emotional craziness in NYC last night. But it all was quite quitely, in soft snow like a really calm and peaceful evening almost. The past 3 were so friggin hustle/bustle. I think the band should strongly consider NOT playing the holiday season in NY anymore. {{i hate saying that too}}. Last couple of years they did a late october run, and even conflicting with MLB's baseball schedule it was easier ...there were no tourists, christmas tree lightings, stacks of idiots on every corner with cameras. Holiday shoppers suck.

But all in, NOT LAST NIGHT! :-O the city was friggin snowy ghost town empty, just us and the band so i guess you could say that snow storm was almost welcoming.

SICK-O! beacon run. personal highlight was thursday night first set blitz! AMAZING. after that lovelight everyone walked off stage...phil was the last one to put his bass down and got a HUGE standing O..one of the best standing O's ive ever heard in the beacon. I think he got all emotional about it too cause you could see him wiping his eyes before heading back. THE LOVE MAN!

Dark Star> SOM. WOW!!! i didnt think it could be done but we got there. Even creeped out on lights from the balcony I COULD SWEAR IT WAS SNOWING IN THERE TOO!

crimsom, white and INDIGO!

:-O

pre-post game all nights rocked out. As usual beth and myself opted NOT waiting in big lines and as a result split all intro jams on all 4 nights in half. WORTH IT? YOU HAVE NO IDEA! those extra 20 minutes in the bar, while everyone is in line, is where the real drinking/ dancing/ ragers/ kick downs and miracles happen. same faces from tour, same ass' draging late arrival folks been doing that for years. One thing i cant do anymore is wait in line. I WONT DO IT! no line, cellphone/hassles. THIS IS WHY I LOVE THIS BAND AND THE VENUES THEY PLAY!

Post game friday night was one of the most F-D up situations ive been in with philzoners.

The scene...P&J's bar
The suspects...myself, beth, rev. shabbaz, skadhi, brick, SI, midy, others... AND KEFFER SUTHERLAND!

Midy, im glad i know you now!

and the next time any philzoner tells a multi-million dollar hollywood type to PUT ON A JACKET on his smoke break, cause its snowing outside... rest assured,

YOU ARE IN NEW YORK CITY!




Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Huck Lewis (Huckberry) on Saturday, December 06, 2003 - 05:04 pm: Edit Post

>>No more shows, I'm retired - Again.
Again & Again
and again and again

and again

Whatever, Bucky. As you said "you were OUT" to me AGAIN AND AGAIN AND AGAIN last night....do you even remember what my response was? Please write me an email. "Keep in touch." But you know what? Don't. Fade away into your pain and demons, sir. I am trying to give you constructive criticism. I am saying that I LIKE your comments but having you FOAM AT THE MOUTH (what I mean by that is that you didn't just say "The show didn't appeal to ME" you're talking about dog shit and standing on the line to pee. I actually don't find it funny, I find it totally disrespectful.) anyway, having you foam at the mouth right after a show gives you the reputation of a BUZZKILL.

So don't mock me with your "dudette" and crap. I have always come to you with open heart and defended your role in this community because you contribute, even if you heave negativity at the boards. Time spent and given is exactly that, regardless of the spirit of such.
But your cruelty is disturbing, sir. Get some help - and I say that because I am concerned for you.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Tom Banjo (Tomtom) on Saturday, December 06, 2003 - 05:11 pm: Edit Post

Re: "Philly, on the other hand, the shows went like this: big, Bigger, BIGGEST"

New York went:

Jupiter >> Saturn >> Neptune >> Pluto !!!!!!




Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Rob (Waitomo) on Saturday, December 06, 2003 - 05:17 pm: Edit Post

I feel like I have to point out that if every show was "Jupiter" there wouldn't be much point in going anymore. It would become boring. Life is relative, and those relativities are what separate us humans from just about everything else on this planet, "Earth."

In order for there to be a Jupiter, you have to have a Pluto. Deal with it.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Tom Banjo (Tomtom) on Saturday, December 06, 2003 - 05:23 pm: Edit Post

Dude:

I loved the visits to all four planets.

Didn't you catch all those different moons on Tuesday?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By David Miller (Dmiller862) on Saturday, December 06, 2003 - 05:31 pm: Edit Post

Hey guys,
I'm new to posting but I've been reading this board for a while. And if I'm not at shows I'll download them and listen to them for myself. I was at the show last night, most of what Bucky said is correct. The band did run out of gas. See my review above for what I thought about it. The only one used to being on the road for this long and playing shows this frequently is Warren, who was the only one who seemed to be really playing hard last night. That said, I definitely enjoyed myself last night. Even though the band didn't play all that well it was abundantly clear that they were as happy as we were to be on stage and that they were as sad as we were to see them go. I thank my lucky stars every time I get to go see a concert, whether it's plq or the allmans or mule or anybody else because I know at some point in the (near) future I won't be able to see these guys again. I enjoy posting on this board because there IS criticism of each show. If you look at the allmans board, you'll see that every single review says that this show was amazing or the best show ever, and that's just not true. I've seen my fare share of allmans shows and some were definitely better than others and one was downright awful. I like that there's a license to criticise and to say what we actually thought of these shows. On the other hand, bucky, you went a little overboard with that last post saying you hated the show and hate the people and basically hate the world. Everybody is entitled to their own opinion, and if they think it's an amazing show just because the band shows up that's fine, don't try to convince people that you are right. Speaking for myself, I read this board for people's inputs, not for definite answers, and I try to give my own input while respecting those of others. Sorry if this was really long but I hope I said what I wanted to say right.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By dan (Gratefuldan) on Saturday, December 06, 2003 - 05:45 pm: Edit Post

But all in, NOT LAST NIGHT! the city was friggin snowy ghost town empty, just us and the band so i guess you could say that snow storm was almost welcoming.

Greg I thought the snow was cool. That was the most fun time I can remember being in New York City.Thank You Phil and Co.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Eric (The_answer_man) on Saturday, December 06, 2003 - 05:46 pm: Edit Post

I am not going to go off on Bucky, I guess he's entitled to his opinion but IMHO anyone who feels that
"Wharf Rat. Pretty slow & not too inspired." really either was not there last night and is just bullshitting us, or just has no idea what the hell he is talking about.

the "Rat" fucking rocked!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Rob (Waitomo) on Saturday, December 06, 2003 - 05:48 pm: Edit Post

Even if the band did run out of gas, so what? They played their hearts out just the same. Like I said, every show can't be Jupiter or, in GD terms, the closing of Winterland or Barton Hall or Harpur College, etc., etc..

And seeing these guys is not like seeing most other every other band. You can go four nights in a row and not hear any repeats. Go to Spingsteen four nights in a row and you are going to hear Born To Run every time. (Not that that's a bad thing. Springsteen plays music like very few can) With that in mind, you are going to get shows that aren't as good as others. It's just a fact. And besides, it's all so damn subjective.

I'll criticize here and there. Done it many a time. But I will never go overboard with the vile crap that people like Bucky spew out. That's just uncalled for.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Rob (Waitomo) on Saturday, December 06, 2003 - 05:56 pm: Edit Post

And another thing I just thought of. These guys are true artists. And like artists, what they start out creating doesn't always end up as what they might have planned. Don't think for a second that when they get backstage they don't critique a performance and try and improve something they thought might have been better. They're trying to get to the same place we are. Except they just did it for 17 out of 22 nights.

It can't all be Starry Night. Once in a while you're gonna get Dogs Playing Poker.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Bucky (Bucky) on Saturday, December 06, 2003 - 06:11 pm: Edit Post

Huck,


You ever seen me after a great show?

You shoulda seen me after Philly.....

As Key has said over & over, "We are lavish in our praise as well as critical in our dislikes."

Now come on.

They played a SIX MINUTE Viola (or seven, no second hand) & then CUT the final song.

They mailed it in......

Sorry.
Huck, I said it before.....
Have you EVER reviewed a show or seen a show & not gushed?

I never saw it.

Then were's ANY point of referrence if EVERYTHING's great?

What's the difference between last night's Viola & 4-17-99?
Both awesome right?

The difference must be somewhere in that extra 33 minutes.....
SOMEWHERE that 33 minutes just MIGHT make it better.

If it IS better, then the other is therefore WORSE, is it not?


Now, I don't BOO at shows usually.....

BUT, Phil didn't stand out there waving his arms solliciting cheers after every set either until this tour.
It's cheesey on great nights & nauseating after a mediocre set.
I thought The Grateful Dead was beyond crowd manipulating theatrics like that.
Not in the year 2003......


And please, I

>>>>> hate the people and basically hate the world.

Please.
Typical......
Hating people & hating their behavior are 2 different things.
Don't confuse the two.

I do expect to have people behave in a semi-respectful manner.
And that, unfortunately, is virtually impossible at a GD related event.

The over riding decision in me not going any more isn't the band - they're very good despite one off night.
It isn't the imbeciles who have no couth or manners.

It's the toll it takes on my disabled body & how that effects my ability to care for my family afterwards.
And if any of you think that makes an asshole, you're the assholes.

Sorry if I pissed you off.
Forgive me.

Peace, Mike aka Bucky


PS: Buckyrhino@yahoo.com

Ball's in YOUR court, Huck






Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Patrick O'Sullivan (Acidbase) on Saturday, December 06, 2003 - 06:22 pm: Edit Post

I had been "dissing" The Real Thing as an encore, but the more I think about it, the more perfect the tune is for the job.

1) It's a beautiful song.
2) Warren NAILED it last night.
3) This *is not* The Dead, or The Grateful Dead, etc. It's Phil Lesh & Friends. That said, I think it's appropriate they end THEIR tour with THEIR song.
4) The lyrics are apt. Understanding what "The Real Thing" is is to understand that every show is not going to be the best show you ever heard and every show is not going to be flawless. Come on people, we're Dead fans, we should have realized this by now. They're "The Real Thing" taking real risks each and every night, not some band churning out the same produced setlist every night. And they're gone for the time being, and they're damn sure the kind that you remember.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Doug (Other12) on Saturday, December 06, 2003 - 06:32 pm: Edit Post

Bucky... Why did you go to this show? Should not have needed Miss Cleo to tell you this night was not meant for your soul or ears. After PHilling up your cup at the Tower, sounds like you got greedy. Booing Phil? Totally classless, no matter how much you disliked the show. Can't believe you honestly feel good about doing such a thing.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Huck Lewis (Huckberry) on Saturday, December 06, 2003 - 06:34 pm: Edit Post

Bucky - for a minute I'll indulge and make this about YOU.

You have vision problems? Read my above review....and THIS PART AGAIN

>>the night before was not my favorite (as many other versions of the same songs had been better played at other venues, for instance...Philly Cumberland, but EXCEPTING the Terrapin and the HSF and the yummy Sunshine.)

After Thursday, I kept my mouth pretty shut and ESPECIALLY did not push my dissatisfaction on friends who were seeing their FIRST Philco shows since the break. I focused on the things I liked about the show until they ASKED my opinion, and then I was VERY cautious. This is a great band. Not every night lives up to the last. But I can understand how it's enjoyable, even on an off night.

another thing. I never thought HOW LONG a song was played for had anything to do with how WELL it was played. Dark Star is an exploratory jam....time is on its side. But it could be long and boring or short and tight. Same with Viola. I think that judging a song based on the CLOCK is rather missing the point.

Don't worry. You didn't piss me off. You made me sad. Sad that you can't enjoy things, sometimes. Sad that in the few minutes we shared together, something you said you were looking forward to, all I can remember from it is YOU BEING PISSED.

And since you brought up physical ailments, let's get one thing straight. I may only be 32, but I'm not a bouncy kid anymore. 3 years ago I had heel spurs and was walking with a cane. No more - because I promised myself that I wouldn't let the pain beat me. I wouldn't let it consume me. Now I jump all about.

Also, I have this little blood blister in my brain (on my pituitary) and I get an MRI every 18 months to check it and see if they'll need to dig into the center of my brain to deal with it.

All this makes me want to see THE JOY IN LIFE. Tomorrow could be it, ya know? My head could explode or a bus could hit me or a plane could land on my apartment. I could skid off the Brooklyn Bridge.

I see FUN and JOY and BEAUTY and I want to focus on THAT. I want to revel in it and let it rush down upon me and feel it course through my soul. I want to celebrate the things in life that reek of authenticity....like Phil and Friends.

So I don't know why I would want to continue the conversation with someone who insists on snide critique and being stuck in this weird way of thinking....such as Time = Quality, or first set vs. second set songs.

God be with you Bucky. May you find peace an happiness and may it envelop you until you are overcome with happiness and beauty. I wish you all the best.

acey deucy :-)


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By scott (Lsrider) on Saturday, December 06, 2003 - 06:39 pm: Edit Post

> I do expect to have people behave in a semi-respectful manner. And that, unfortunately, is virtually impossible at a GD related event.

Yeah, Bucky, there are a lot of spun and drunk obstacles, but in general I think you get what you bring to the table. At every GD related event I have done solo (like last night), I have left with at least one new friend and a boatload of new ideas picked up in conversations with "strangers." You walk in expecting the worst, you're generally going to get it. Oh, and it's good to know you let Phil know you're not a trained seal - I'm sure he's just bummin' over.
that today.


Aside from all that, your review was pretty spot on. Too bad ya missed Thursday.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Leda (Leda) on Saturday, December 06, 2003 - 06:43 pm: Edit Post

I loved this run @ the Beacon and I loved last night.

Dark Star > Walrus > Dark Star was huge.

A fan of Again & Again, I was glad to hear them play it. The harmonies alone melt my heart.

The Real Thing encore was extremely appropriate & quite moving.

Some folks seem to go to shows, looking to hear what they want to hear.

Others go to shows to listen to what the band has to say.

In astrology, the planet Pluto represents rebirth, illumination, wisdom, transformation, integration & struggle. At last night's show, I got all of the above and then some.

My soul feels nourished (although I wish we were simply on "break" during a six night run, instead of done w/ a four-nighter...)

The real thing, yeah indeedy!

See ya next time {{{Q}}}


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Hail Skins (Lastleaffallen) on Saturday, December 06, 2003 - 06:50 pm: Edit Post

Dual planes of reality were most definitely in effect last night...KILLER SHOW...wake up call for the willing

Again and Again opener

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

outside of Leave Me Out of This this is my least favorite TABA song..a nice piss opportunity in Philly but an opener!!?? Things are getting strange..maybe I shouldn't have eaten THAT :-O

snapped out of it and wound up enjoying the tune but now it's time to get it ON..

nope

Trains an enjoyable tune but here??! When's the rage gonna begin?? breath breath all good..no worries..my buddy is wayyy gone by now..Warrens ripping it..cool

looking back I'm glad they opened the way they did..both were very well played and it shows this band, this solid unit, this glorious Quintet has a commitment and a level of cofidence with regards to their newer material..

well done boys

Lucy..not one of my favorites but it was nice to have everyone up and dancing

Wharf Rat

it's on

this was the beginning of the show in IMO


I've taken issue with one of my favorite people in the world over her opinion on this.."Warrens Rat"..

JERRY'S tunes are very hard for me to see sometimes when I'm a bit altered..this was absoluty piercing..I think Phil and Rob blend in perfectly with Warren on the vocals..sick..just sick. Even for a mind as luinous as Robert Hunters these words are timeless. One of the finest moments of my life was Jerry bleeding a Wharf Rat for the ages during Phil's 50th Birthday show at the Cap Center..my teenage brain was over laod. I understand that Jerry doing Wharf Rat in his later years had a much different vibe than Jerry doing Wharf during his earlier days..but to me at least the songs about hope on many different levels. Even though it's one of my favorite movies, I know it may well be a bit cheesy to quote Shawshank Redemption..still though it's one of my favorites..

"hope is a goog thing..maybe the best of things..and no good thing ever dies"

there's a sad beauty about the 90's Jerry doing Wharf Rat..it's how I know him. I've heard him say that Hunters lyrics changed to him as he got older


(((I know she's been, I'm sure she's been true to me)))

GOOD LORD Warren put so much feeling into this it made my spine stiffen and had me standing tall as the gravity of the moment sunk in

Scarlet!! hell yeah boys and girls lets get it on

I must say..Fires been such a negative experience with Micky's damn nonsense that It's been a long time since I've ejoyed the funky glow that we shared last night..that sticky Beacon floor turned into a psychedelic swamp by Phil's gummed out bass.

*

I was a bit too far gone at set break to deal with the crowds all that much..got a brew..alright two brews and went back to my seat and tried to mellow. Saw a few Zoners but didn't feel I could muster up anything more than "dude" so I thought it best to get back to the safety of my seat :-)

*


JUST A LITTLE SWEETNESS

yes it was..real glad they layed this on us

Used All that We Are as a somewhat cleared out bathroom opportunity

Stepped back into the electrified awesomeness of Golden Road..felt like the whole crowd was shimmering in yellow electric current FUCKING FAR OUT

THUMPIN'

YEEEEEMUTHUFUCKINHAAAAWWWWWWWWWW

DS>WALRUS>DS was my favorite moment of the run

knew the monster Beatle cover was coming and I'm real happy with the selection

"I am he as you are he as you are me and we are all together
See how they run Iike pigs from a gun, see how they fly
I'm crying"


"SITTING IN AN ENGLISH GARDEN"

Man it seemed too good to be true..the building pandemonium..the Walrus!!!!!!!!



Standing on the Moon

the most sacred of Jerry songs to me

had my eyes closed holding back tears for most of it..it was delicate..it was beautiful..they treated it with the respect that it deserves..

then the unexpected..like Terrapin Thursday night with Phil singing..I didn't miss Jerry..I felt him with us.

Thank you Warren

yeah the Viola was short but fun none the less

Viola closer Real Thing encore..seems a bit suggestive to me

I like the "lesson theory"

"blue note that rolled off his tongue
You could feel his soul twisting right in two
Nobody knew where he came from
Ah but everybody knew, everybody knew"

fuck yeah brother

life is very real..now get on it




take it easy everybody







Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Huck Lewis (Huckberry) on Saturday, December 06, 2003 - 07:06 pm: Edit Post

{{{{{{{{{{{{{SKINS}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}

happy holidays to my kind brother
you were so much a part of my tour.....
looking behind in Philly and seeing you and J
glancing up at you Tuesday night, locks swinging
closing the whole shaboozle with a car bomb in some UWS irish pub....

it is only through time that we discover how valuable some of our friends are...
Skins - PLATINUM


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Hail Skins (Lastleaffallen) on Saturday, December 06, 2003 - 07:47 pm: Edit Post

The BER HUG after Fire was right on time

so glad to share time riding the wave with you..always a pleasure

multiple "car bombs" had us on our faces by the time they closed the bar..time flew by last night


upon furthur review I'd also like to add that I felt like I was in a scene from TRON during the Golden Road stomp down


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Rob T (August_wst) on Saturday, December 06, 2003 - 07:53 pm: Edit Post

Bucky,

I noticed a couple of comments in your posts:

>>So, after the bogusest of encores, I booed & gave them 2 thumbs down.
For a LOOOONG time.

and:

>>I do expect to have people behave in a semi-respectful manner.
And that, unfortunately, is virtually impossible at a GD related event.

Although you may not think so, many people consider booing to be both disrespectful and rude. And what did you boo them for? For playing 'bad' songs? Because they didn't jam like YOU wanted them to? Or because they didn't jam like they are capable of doing?

this brings me to another comment from one of your posts:

>>Then were's ANY point of referrence if EVERYTHING's great?

so, you clearly understand that by nature of what they are doing, everything is not going to be great. there will be off nights.

so at the end of one of those off nights, you sit there and boo like an immature ass-hole? and you're talking about others having no couth or manners? you should look in the mirror.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Taperrob (Taperrob) on Saturday, December 06, 2003 - 07:59 pm: Edit Post

HEY BUCKY, DICK BRAIN:

>>>>btw Bucky, never said Thursdays show "Blew"... go back to thursdays reviews for my comment...


Nor did I say you did.....

*********************************************

You DID say i said "IT BLEW"......... when i never uttered or typed those words during Thursdays chat....

heres your post from the Thursday review to refresh your lameass memory:


>>Taper Rob was MIGHTY upset in the Chatroom last night around Help > SlipKnot > Franklins......

Felt "It BLEW" I Believe, that They were "saving it for Friday, why"

He was ready to pack up & leave before the encore he was so demoralized.....

He musta been thinking about that 15-18 minute Slipknot in Philly.....

Tapoer Rob with all those negative vibes, I hope you don't hurt tonight's show.

Don't sell your tickeit like you tell me & my negative vibes to do last week...
Come, hang out, we can even bitch about Into the Mystic while we stand in line at the bathroom together...,

*******************************************

and then your earlier post:


>>Oh, one more thing:

I was right......

It turned out there was NO WAY THe Beacon run could top Philly.

Not when they go out like this on the last night.

Not when Taper Rob is on Chat Thursday night saying of Help > Slip > Franklins, while they're playing it:

"It BLEW!"

Philly, on the other hand, the shows went like this:

BIG
BIGGER
BIGGEST

**************************************************



open your F'ing eyes and learn to read...... and if you read my comment on the reviews for Thursdays show, i did explain exactly what i said and what i meant.....

but NEVER SAID "IT BLEW

get it, DICK?



Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Mike C. (Wharfrat19) on Saturday, December 06, 2003 - 08:03 pm: Edit Post

Taper Rob because of you with your up to the minute setlist you made us feel like we were there. Once again Thanks a Ton!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Rob (Waitomo) on Saturday, December 06, 2003 - 08:13 pm: Edit Post

Imagine... booing Phil Lesh.

Bucky, you are looking for something that you ain't gonna find at a Phil Lesh show. The more I read, the more your comments make that clear.

"And Phil stands out there with his arms outstretched solliciting cheers after each set like "Aren't we amazing?""

I think I can say with a reasonable degree of certainty that Phil TRULY appreciates how blessed he is to be alive and performing at this level and to have fans that support him so solidly. That's why he was out there -- not to take some narcissistic bow -- but to soak in what must be a great feeling for him.

It had nothing to do with the quality of the show but with the quality of the love that people feel for Phil and I'm sure what he feels about his fans. That's why you should cheer. Even if in your opinion it was an off night. An off night is forgivable -- standing and booing a guy like Phil isn't. It's.. well.. classless.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Kate (Kindmomma) on Saturday, December 06, 2003 - 08:23 pm: Edit Post

the show for me was just OK...after being blown away in Philly and not seeing the other Beacon shows...it was kind of a bummer tour ending for me musically...

BUT...the highlight, was the hilarious ride to the show with the greatest travel companions that can be files under the:
"best ride to a show EVER" thread..HAHAHA
to add to the highlight was meeting up all y'all again and having so many laughs, smiles and hugs!

thanks for the extra hugs post show :-)


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Bucky (Bucky) on Saturday, December 06, 2003 - 10:26 pm: Edit Post

>>>Not when Taper Rob is on Chat Thursday night saying of Help > Slip > Franklins, while they're playing it:

"It BLEW!"

Philly, on the other hand, the shows went like this:

BIG
BIGGER
BIGGEST

**************************************************



open your F'ing eyes and learn to read...... and if you read my comment on the reviews for Thursdays show, i did explain exactly what i said and what i meant.....

but NEVER SAID "IT BLEW

get it, DICK?






Rob.........

Reread your post right above......

notice I said 'CHAT'......
While you are quoting 'reviews'

Get your facts straight before you call someone all kinds of nasty names.

I hear they keep a transcript of chat.
True?
Would you like to get a copy?
I GUARENTEE you or somebody calling themselves 'Taperrob' at the show Thursday used the EXACT word 'blew' to describe Help > Slipknot > Franklin's.......
This person calling themselves 'Taperrob' was so disgusted, ranting & raving for a couple moments - it was quite humerous in fact - he said "I'm taking down my equipment & leaving" before the encore.


Rob, you're dealing with the wrong person when it comes to remembering things.
Read my reviews.
I remember EXACTLY what you said. You were pretty upset.


Rob, you're so nice to me in person......

Then, online you talk to me like this.....

I wonder if you are afraid I'll deck you?
Luckily for you, I wouldn't, because you sure have earned it.
Twicw now in two weeks.
Quite frankly, I don't think you have the balls to talk like this to me face to face.

You're not man enough.

So, you act nicey nice to my face & then run home & call me nasty names when it's safe.

Say what you people want to about me, and I'm sure you'll twist this to make ME the bad guy, but I'm simply reporting facts, not lying, or trying to wiggle my way out of what I said, & I haven't called one nasty name at Rob, yet look what he calls me.....

Yet, I'll be the bad guy.
Of course.






Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Taperrob (Taperrob) on Saturday, December 06, 2003 - 10:28 pm: Edit Post

>>thanks for the extra hugs post show :-)

Kate, you sure needed them.. happy to oblige... was good to see you.. glad you made the trip and had fun on the ride in.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Bucky (Bucky) on Saturday, December 06, 2003 - 10:41 pm: Edit Post

>>>>>what i did say

Phil sucks.....

in reference to playing the Franklin's,(or the encore)

for the entire show.. matter of fact, during the encore, when someone asked what was the highlight, i said "this is the highlight", the sunshine of your love.....


OK, so you said 'suck', not 'blows'.....

Forgive me, I'M A DICK!

Get the transcripts, Taperrob, because the context certainly sounded likje someone saying the show was not very good. lIke "I guess they're saving it for tommorow"

Spin, spin, spin......
Like a politician.

I was there, I heard it & you sure sounded like you didn't like what was being played & didn't correct anyone at the time......



>>>>just to note, most of the show i spent in the lobby, visiting and chatting with friends old and new, which to me is what PLQ @ the Beacon is all about....

Figures.
Case closed.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By shark (Finn) on Saturday, December 06, 2003 - 10:50 pm: Edit Post

not only do i think you're a bad judge of a good show, bucky, but now i think you're a bad judge of character too.....calling taperrob two-faced, what's up with you man?

I still can't believe you booed phil. Damn, don't you have any respect?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Taperrob (Taperrob) on Saturday, December 06, 2003 - 10:58 pm: Edit Post

>>Rob.........

Reread your post right above......

notice I said 'CHAT'......
While you are quoting 'reviews'


BUCKY, you are ignorant.... and it shows..

heres what i wrote in the Thursday reviews:



"as for me saying the show "BLEW", never said it and i will get the transcripts to prove it....

what i did say

Phil sucks.....

in reference to playing the Franklin's, which i was hoping they would save for friday night, which i said in chat they should have saved it for friday night.... and not play the help>slip>franklins, as they have been doing the whole tour (at least in those other shows, they sandwiched other songs or saved the Franklin's for the encore)"


again, BUCKY, read....

never said "IT BLEW"..... citing the Thursday chat, what i did say was "Phil sucks", repeatly (somewhere between 6 and 10 times), and the explaination as to why:


"if those in chat last night were in the chatroom during other shows on the tour, i did say, in Boston, that i would pack up and leave if they did the Franklin's right after the Slipknot... and i believe they did another song, saving the Franklin's for the end or encore...

so i said the same thing last night.... the "negative vibes", which Bucky seems to live on, was real, but only for the moment, and not for the entire show.. matter of fact, during the encore, when someone asked what was the highlight, i said "this is the highlight", the sunshine of your love....."



>>Read my reviews.
I remember EXACTLY what you said. You were pretty upset.

>>Say what you people want to about me, and I'm sure you'll twist this to make ME the bad guy, but I'm simply reporting facts, not lying, or trying to wiggle my way out of what I said, & I haven't called one nasty name at Rob, yet look what he calls me.....



upset in the chat, yes, as i wrote in the Thursday review, but only for the moment....

unfortuately here, your facts are wrong... but you will never want to admit that..... i do know what i said in chat....

not twisting anything here, giving it to you straight up.. you are doing a good job all by yourself being portrayed as the "bad guy".

you earned the nasty names... you should congratulate yourself...



Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Bucky (Bucky) on Saturday, December 06, 2003 - 11:07 pm: Edit Post

Sharkie, if Phil hadn't stood there gesturing "Applaud us more", I wouldn't have booed. Simple as that.

The act of solliciting applause 'raised my ire' so to speak, that's all. I think it comes off cheesey.

Why do I bother?
Whip me some more, folks.
I already explained why I did it.....
It ain't going to do any good to explain again.

Taper rob.... Sharkie.....

I say the truth.
If I bump into him again, he'll sweet talk me & say he's fooling because he's got no balls to talk to me like a man face to face.
I'm not a violent person at all, but there's a time when you gotta stand up & be willing to act like a man & stand up & be willing to take a punch if that's what it means to stand your ground.......
He talked big to me on chat, got in my face rudely & started a fight with me, then rolled over the next day at Oakdale when I told him I was so pissed at him that I would've put a cigar out in his eye if we were face to face......
"I was just fooling."

Then, he says NOTHING to me in person but nicey nice last night but starts on me here yesterday afternoon & today.....

You put it together.

Big man online.
Woosey face to face.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By DaveStraw (Davestraw) on Saturday, December 06, 2003 - 11:09 pm: Edit Post

seems like some need to clean their mangina's out...


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Ginny Carr (Gcarr) on Saturday, December 06, 2003 - 11:12 pm: Edit Post

Hey Bucky. You must be the guy that was standing behind me booing when they played Real Thing. I think it is you who doesn't understand a damn thing about this band, this scene or the music. why do you come? To bash songs like
Stella Blue? Please do us all a favor and take your bathroom breaks at home.
thank the universe for PLQ!! They are the real thing!!!!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Christopher B Rollins (Canartgrp) on Saturday, December 06, 2003 - 11:13 pm: Edit Post

Would you guys grow up? I think you have too much free time on your hands.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By FREE ROB! (Let_rob_sing) on Saturday, December 06, 2003 - 11:16 pm: Edit Post

I thought we were talking about Friday's show.

Bucky, you should get into sports or something. Chess? Classical literature maybe? This isn't your scene. It's really too bad. Buy a stress ball and stay away from the computer. Threatening to "Deck" Taperrob goes above and beyond the call of duty, even for a first-rate cheesedick.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Bucky (Bucky) on Saturday, December 06, 2003 - 11:20 pm: Edit Post

>>>>He is an addict. He has 3,196 posts to this board since June, 2001. GET A LIFE.

Really what a waste of time, much moreso than going to a few shows.

I feel like Esau after he finished the bowl of lentil soup Jacob made him........

>>>>GET A LIFE.

I can write an intelligent review & that's more than most Bucky haters can say.

And, I know where I'm going post Phil.
Do YOU?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By shark (Finn) on Saturday, December 06, 2003 - 11:20 pm: Edit Post

>>>>I was so pissed at him that I would've put a cigar out in his eye

i thought you weren't a violent man? whatever, buckster, think what you want, but I saw Phil opening up his arms to us as if he was giving us all a big hug. he always says that WE as a whole make the music. why would he all of a sudden change his tune? the applause was for all of us as well as for the Q.....not to mention getting that huge, bone chilling roar swirling up the Beacon.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By DaveStraw (Davestraw) on Saturday, December 06, 2003 - 11:23 pm: Edit Post

yea, no shit, i guess i do too considering i'm reading this shiet! and TR, a grate big thanks for all the streams. you got me excited to see a show this summer which i didn't think would happen due to a pregnant wife, and family stuff happening, then ended up seeing the best show i've seen since '95 (deer creek).

i'll admit, i was dating this chick...took her to a GD show....kept tellin' her how Bob was a pussy and didn't do shit for the band.......then Rat Dog comes to town and i get all excited and she's like i thought you hated Bob, why would you want to go see his band...tried to explain...anyway my point is, if they piss ya off that much with their playin', drop 'em, don't go see 'em and start hangin out on the britneyzone or whatever, i don't know....baby's cryin'....hopin' for an east/midwest spring paf or summer DEAD!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Bucky (Bucky) on Saturday, December 06, 2003 - 11:42 pm: Edit Post

>>>>>i thought you weren't a violent man?

I'm not, but in a moment of anger, who knows?
And note, I said "I wanred" not "I would have" didn't I?

Thev only reason TR hasn't been decked for the things he's called me is I'm NOT violent.

>>>>whatever, buckster, think what you want, but I saw Phil opening up his arms to us as if he was giving us all a big hug.

With his hands going up waving as if to say "more, more"?

No......

Enough, Sorry to trash this thread folks.

Really.

And Rob, careful.
There's alot of idiots online who are alot meaner than me when you call them the things you've called me.
If you do that to the wrong guy, next time, you may find yourself meeting someone at a show & on the ground before you get through "Hi, I'm Taperrah.."

Adios.

And peace. To all.

It's been fun.



Bucky


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By LessThan (Lessthan) on Saturday, December 06, 2003 - 11:50 pm: Edit Post

I will tell you what bucky...I can't wait to see you at the next show that you supposedly wont be going to.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By BassGreat (Leshphilling) on Saturday, December 06, 2003 - 11:54 pm: Edit Post

>>>Would you guys grow up? I think you have too much free time on your hands.

...Yeah, what he said..waaay too much negativity 'round here...life's too short...listen to the music play...!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Rubba (Rubba) on Sunday, December 07, 2003 - 01:43 am: Edit Post

ANYWAYS....

Certainly was lack-luster to me too. Sure theyre artists and sure its cool to explore the entire song vault available to them, but.... a setlist on the closing night of a blizzard-bound Beacon and most of the crowd cant recognize and "get into" a half-dozen of the selections? Thats a letdown.

Where the hell was the Cold Rain and Snow? Everybody I spoke to pre-show was stoked to here the opening chords of CR&S. Some were thinking opener even. What happened? It was definitely on everyones mind and we didnt get it.

IMHO, this was Barracco's show. He ruled it; sang, jammed, was turned way up. Been waiting for him to get the mic more. Certainly had those wishes answered. How great did he belt out the Scarlet>Fire!?!?!? (albeit sharing the verses)

However, quoting an earlier post, "...I was left wanting."


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By WookiesTasteBetter (Merryprankster) on Sunday, December 07, 2003 - 02:01 am: Edit Post

Before I finish this thread, I would just like to say that I found Bucky's review one hundred percent on the money. Right down to every tease that he picked up on....if they had actually played Playin, Alligator, Cosmic Charlie, or Dancin in the Streets, then maybe I would have left with a better taste in my mouth. I couldn't help by compare the 1st set to philly. Only difference was the song order and the sick viola in philly.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Billy Blastoff (Billyray) on Sunday, December 07, 2003 - 03:40 am: Edit Post

There were many Grateful Dead shows I left "wanting". I know the let down of "I Fought the Law". There have been many shows, GD, PlQ, Ratdog, etc, et al... Oh! and the awful TOO opener in Atlanta when Mickey's drums were not amplified... - at these subpar shows I certainly didn't give my full blown heartfelt "BRAVO!!!!!! BRAVISIMO!!!!!!!" but I didn't boo. Nor did I Phuk up others trips by shittin' all over the show.

The insults... the insults? I see them on many threads. Much of that can be written off to writing. There is a greater insult when the words are written. Tempers flare. But the violence?

I don't understand how anyone can go to "shows" of any band spawned from the turmoil of America's Civil Rights and Vietnam era revolutions and be pro violent or pro war. I'm not saying you don't have the right. I'm saying it is duplicitous and reveals a core lack of veracity and integrity. There must be a storm of chaos within you Bucky. I do hope you weather the storm. I hope you honor your words sir, for that road is for your steps alone.

Sometimes I have to remind myself not to say anything if I don't have anything nice to say. Critics suck and I am critical of way too much. My honest assessment Buck is you are doing your best to burn the bridge. You are like the porn star who can't say no, so you pour battery acid all over your body so no one will ask. I respect that. I hate myself for raptly watching the train wreck.

Booing Phil. Phuk you.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Billy Blastoff (Billyray) on Sunday, December 07, 2003 - 03:41 am: Edit Post

Taperrob - Thank you for keeping so many people connected. Thank you very much.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Althea (Sharon) on Sunday, December 07, 2003 - 08:15 am: Edit Post

Bucky,
Although I'm hesitant to make this "Review" thread more about you, instead of focusing on the show, I do want to voice my opinion, since you are right; comments and reviews shouldn't be all sweetness and light. And although I try to keep an open mind about what makes people negative and bitter, I do find the action of bragging about the utter disrepect you have shown Phil and the Band to be reprehensible!

"And Phil stands out there with his arms outstretched solliciting cheers after each set like "Aren't we amazing?"

No, Phil, you guys were not.

So, after the bogusest of encores, I booed & gave them 2 thumbs down.
For a LOOOONG time.
Even while people were leaving & the lights were on, I stood there with 'Two Thumbs Down'.
Just to let him know not everyone is a trained seal who doesn't know great from OK."


Bucky...To me, there is a huge difference between being disappointed in the energy and selection of a show, and actually standing there BOOING a performer or performance that didn't meet your standards. To think that you would not be even a little embarresed in RETROSPECT to admit that you did so is even more surprising.

I say "surprising" because you and I have shared some nice emails, where we have talked about the challenges of our special children, family bullshit, etc, that I felt that I could take much of what you have said about PLQ over time with a grain of salt and seperate the man who often posts here with such disdain with the man that i felt I had a sense of as a person.

To me, when Phil stood there "solicitating" applause, he was applauding the PROCESS, with whatever beauty or chaos that came out of it. It was the end of the run, and he was expressing joy!

I, for one, was overjoyed with expressing my appreciation for what this man, this band, has given me.

I voice my opinion when I have something positive to say, I voice my opinion when I am disappointed in something, but I see no need for nastiness, for shoving my negative time down people's throats.

Buzzkill really does exsist. As much as I was glad to see you in Wallingford, I commmented to my friend that hearing your unrelentless criticism during the break really bummed me out, and I had to walk away. Was it a superb show for me? No. Did it have some peaks and valleys? Of course. Just show a little respect for other people, please, and the space that others might be enjoying before you pound the air with your criticisms AT A SHOW! My opinion.

And if you feel that you want to slam me like Taperrob or Huck or or or after reading this, or call me a sheep, whatever.. I'll still hope that you have an awesome time at a show again one day, or that Paul is doing well, or that your health improves.

Oh, and I'll be the sheep thats nodding her head with her eyes closed, smiling, as the band takes me higher and higher!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Tom Banjo (Tomtom) on Sunday, December 07, 2003 - 08:37 am: Edit Post

One Mo' Saturday Night

Check out the times on Buckeroo's posts from yesterday. He spent the entire Saturday night vomiting his messages onto Philzone.com

Guess that says it all about where that Dude is coming from.

Case closed.

Better get goin' Dude, light out and look around.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By kenny kars (Spanish_jam) on Sunday, December 07, 2003 - 10:06 am: Edit Post

Beacon 12/5 now on sugarmegs site...YES!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Rob (Waitomo) on Sunday, December 07, 2003 - 10:18 am: Edit Post

"Sharkie, if Phil hadn't stood there gesturing "Applaud us more", I wouldn't have booed. Simple as that."

That is so NOT what Phil was doing and you and I and I think everyone here knows it, Bucky.

At first I thought you were just a piece of tour trash, but as I read these posts I can see there's a lot more going on.

Like I said before, what you're looking for you ain't gonna find at a Phil show. Anyone who could be that angry to boo Phil Lesh has some serious shit going on.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By jOSEPH bELLUCK (Unbroken_arrow) on Sunday, December 07, 2003 - 10:34 am: Edit Post

I just have one thing to say about this discussion especially to Bucky -- I agree that the shows at the Beacon were a little flat -- but if you can play 20 nights of rock and roll when you are phil's age -- I hope some little punk is not booing you -- I give phil credit every night he stands up and jams for us -- I am only 37 and I am exhausted just listening -- chill out man and pray you have his energy when your his age.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Taperrob (Taperrob) on Sunday, December 07, 2003 - 10:42 am: Edit Post

so we have this:

>>...I'm not a violent person at all,...

but then we get this:

>>...I was so pissed at him that I would've put a cigar out in his eye if we were face to face......


and then later on you contradict yourself by posting the following:

>>...And note, I said "I wanred" not "I would have" didn't I?


so heres the lesson BUCKY:

"I would've" = "I would have"

in any event, you are suggesting being violent when you say you are not.. so which is it????


>>If I bump into him again, he'll sweet talk me & say he's fooling because he's got no balls to talk to me like a man face to face.
I'm not a violent person at all, but there's a time when you gotta stand up & be willing to act like a man & stand up & be willing to take a punch if that's what it means to stand your ground.......
He talked big to me on chat, got in my face rudely & started a fight with me, then rolled over the next day at Oakdale when I told him I was so pissed at him that I would've put a cigar out in his eye if we were face to face......


lets get the facts straight here, dumbass:
first off, you come into chat on tuesday (Boston), look at the setlist and said something like " not a good show" in which case i respond, "well you are not here", which starts a whole discussion about how you can tell good shows from bad shows by going on whats on a setlist...

secondly, at Oakdale, who was it that walked over to you to say hello??? who was it that talked to you "like a man face to face"??? i was there, BUCKY, i stood up to you, "standing my ground", "willing to take a punch". Woosey

did i wish you bad show???? what i did say to YOU: "going to be a good show... you will enjoy it..." i am not about to ruin the vibe for anyone before, during, or after the show... so who here has "BALLS"????


>>Then, he says NOTHING to me in person but nicey nice last night but starts on me here yesterday afternoon & today.....

more facts for you BUCKY: i didnt "start on you" on the Thursday review thread... but i guess you really can't read, or just dont comprehend things, so here we go again:




"as for me saying the show "BLEW", never said it and i will get the transcripts to prove it....

what i did say

Phil sucks.....

in reference to playing the Franklin's, which i was hoping they would save for friday night, which i said in chat they should have saved it for friday night.... and not play the help>slip>franklins, as they have been doing the whole tour (at least in those other shows, they sandwiched other songs or saved the Franklin's for the encore)

during the slipknot, out in the lobby, was chatting with a fellow taper about this particular thing, and agreeing that it was going to be the franklin's, something we were not looking forward to.....

if those in chat last night were in the chatroom during other shows on the tour, i did say, in Boston, that i would pack up and leave if they did the Franklin's right after the Slipknot... and i believe they did another song, saving the Franklin's for the end or encore...

so i said the same thing last night.... the "negative vibes", which Bucky seems to live on, was real, but only for the moment, and not for the entire show.. matter of fact, during the encore, when someone asked what was the highlight, i said "this is the highlight", the sunshine of your love..... "




i was noting that i didnt say "It BLEW" as you so eloquently put it, but to show you and others what i really said, "Phil sucks"..... and again, FOR THAT MOMENT i was pissed....

as for the Friday review thread, its obvious you never went back to read my comment, even after the first time i said to go back and read my comment.

and as for being "nicey nice", you are thick headed. seeing you twice in the lobby during the show on Friday, 1st time, Again & Again, your comment "bathroom break". second time, Standing on the Moon, your comment was a thumbs down. were you expecting me to come up to you and "start on you"????? are you serious???

im there enjoying myself, having a good time, meeting and talking with friends, old and new. im not about to waste that on your negativity, you are not worth it.


>>Thev only reason TR hasn't been decked for the things he's called me is I'm NOT violent.
And Rob, careful.

you know BUCKY, maybe next time you should "deck" me. it will show the "man" you are. "NOT violent"?, bullshit... the mere suggestion of "putting a cigar out in your eye" shows you are violent....


>>There's alot of idiots online who are alot meaner than me when you call them the things you've called me.
If you do that to the wrong guy, next time, you may find yourself meeting someone at a show & on the ground before you get through "Hi, I'm Taperrah.."


and BUCKY, YOU dont know me....... or know what i can do..... so take that little bit of advice and shove it up your ass.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Olo (Olompali4) on Sunday, December 07, 2003 - 10:51 am: Edit Post

>I don't understand how anyone can go to "shows" of any band spawned from the turmoil of America's Civil Rights and Vietnam era revolutions and be pro violent or pro war. I'm not saying you don't have the right. I'm saying it is duplicitous and reveals a core lack of veracity and integrity<

Well floating throughout various GD internet sites and forums..I can tell you that There's a BIG difference between the 60's activists who lived through the times and those born well after them.
Because someone 30 and younger digs on Jimi, CSN&Y, GD etc etc.. does not make them peaceniks.
Sorry but the babies born around 71 and on are in an America that is much more self centered, consumer driven, jockified, top-gunned, hot dogs, jackasses and supermodels, not to mention being dumbed down and attention deficient.
I imagine it would be hard to stay a hippie gypsy peace freak in Mtv's Real World.

C'mon family, we need a full torrent of liquid again.
Let's work together for a new psychedelic sorcery.
Right Phil?



Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By kung bit torrent server (Kung) on Sunday, December 07, 2003 - 10:52 am: Edit Post

There is a message in all that happened Friday night, listen closely.

Imo, playin was top notch. New ones sounded great. Jammin had more direction than Wednesday night.

I think phil was doing what he wanted to do not the crowd pleasers ~ KUDOS!

We love you phil!

See you soon again :^)


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By RockandRollGoddess (Rrg) on Sunday, December 07, 2003 - 10:53 am: Edit Post

the bands all packed and gone
.. were they ever here at all ?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By kenny kars (Spanish_jam) on Sunday, December 07, 2003 - 11:11 am: Edit Post

Every one has there rights....and I am now gonna exercise mine....to get off this F__k'n thread. Beacon 12/3 and 12/5 await.

Adios Amigos......4 Now!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Taperrob (Taperrob) on Sunday, December 07, 2003 - 12:10 pm: Edit Post

i have the Friday Beacon show streaming now on the Zone Radio


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By iannai (Mule) on Sunday, December 07, 2003 - 12:10 pm: Edit Post

I'm not addressing the TR/Bucky feud - but with respect to Bucky's original review post on this thread...

I don't agree with him a lot, but why would you want to censor his opinions? Are you a fascist? Do you want everyone's reviews to agree with everyone elses? If so, why the hell would we have reviews? You could just assume everthing was stellar.

No review board police please...


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Max Karten (Fluffhead) on Sunday, December 07, 2003 - 12:44 pm: Edit Post

Bucky...you are entitled to your opinion but I swear if I ever see you booing Phil and holding up two thumbs down while they are on stage hugging and crying because they feel so strongly about each other and the music they make, I will throw a fucking beer at your head as hard as I can.

Phil is 63, his best friend and musical companion died 8 years ago from a demoralizing drug addiction that completely impared his playing for years before. Do you realize the pain that caused Phil? For us to hear Standing on the Moon and almost cry, can you imagine what Phil was holding back?

And how can you boo when you said you loved the Tower so much? There are off nights, it is the nature of art that you do not succeed with flying colors each time out...thats why when they do blow the roof off it is so amazing.

I LOVE YOU PHIL...I have shouted it out on many occasions but dont know if you ever heard it...dont listen to fuckin idiots who cant be GRATEful that they get to go to 5 shows in 10 days.

I AM VERY GRATEFUL that I got to see you 6 times in 12 days. Please do a spring tour...for we all LOVE YOU SO MUCH and need more Q to perpare us to deal with Bobby and Joan Osborne in the summer.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Rick Seng (Aquanee) on Sunday, December 07, 2003 - 12:59 pm: Edit Post

Welcome to the Bucky Review Thread or the Bash Bucky Thread .. shouldn't this topic be some place other than the 12-5-03 Beacon Review Thread???

If you don't like what Bucky has to say .. don't read his threads .. it's actually quite simple.

And if you fell you are defending PLQ, do they really need defending? I don't fell as though anything said on this forum will change anything as far as how, what and why PLQ plays.

Peace!!!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By WookiesTasteBetter (Merryprankster) on Sunday, December 07, 2003 - 01:10 pm: Edit Post

wow, for a second I thought Bucky was talking about extinguishing a cigar in phil's face. As for the booing and thumbs down signal, damn, man...this isn't Phish!!!!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By WillDawg (Willdawg) on Sunday, December 07, 2003 - 01:38 pm: Edit Post

Pain makes people do strange things. 'nuf said on that.

Phil's a big boy, I'm sure if he even saw the Buckster's gesture (not likely b/c of the stage lights) he'd deal. How long has he been doin' this gig again? ;)

Thank (you deity here) that Phil still wants to play music, instead of being fat & happy with his family in Cali....

Hopefully I'll have the chance to shout "THANK YOU PHIL!" many more times to THE MAN in person.

P.S. I think the Real Thing is a powerful song.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Rob (Waitomo) on Sunday, December 07, 2003 - 01:56 pm: Edit Post

I've spent one day on this thread and I can say it's fairly useless. Why must people continually bring down others to lift themselves up? I'm guilty of attacking Bucky because I can't believe someone would boo Phil and would have such negative things to say.

That said, someone else (Fluffhead) writes a great defense of the scene and the love and the music and then proceeds to knock Bobby and Joan Osborne.

WHAT THE FUCK?

I'VE GOT A NEWS FLASH FOR ALL YOU MORONS:

JERRY IS DEAD. GET OVER IT.

I'm not asking that you worship everything Phil or Bobby do, but for God's sake, stop whining like a bunch of three year olds when a show doesn't do it all for you or because you don't like Bob Weir.

Bobby contributed a heluva lot to the Grateful Dead. Joan Osborne is a terrific singer who added a great touch to many tunes this past summer. Just listen to the Sugaree from Jones Beach.

If she is so awful, why would Phil want to play with her. Oh, I know your answer, because Bobby forced her on us.

People, get a freakin grip and enjoy the fact that both Phil and Bobby are keeping this music not only alive -- but incredibly well. Every show may not live up to your pie-in-the-sky-standards but give a little credit where credit is due.

And to those who just say realx and listen to the music play -- AMEN!!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Doug (Other12) on Sunday, December 07, 2003 - 02:45 pm: Edit Post

>And, I know where I'm going post Phil.

Disney World?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By know user (Knowuser) on Sunday, December 07, 2003 - 04:36 pm: Edit Post

I'm relatively new to this forum, and usually don't read or write anything here. But after seeing all these negative comments regarding the music, I'm disgusted. I feel moved to write here on a regular basis.

This is directed to whom it fits. Elitest dead head trash all of you! Have you ever read the lyrics to "Dear Mr. Fantasy". Its in your face and you can't even see it! You are all self-centered children who will soon abandon this music like a change in fashion, only to declare later that you've "Been there, done that, and got the T-shirt". Sorry, I've never owned a tie-die shirt. You know nothing of the spirit of this music. It's not just some hip scene where you enjoy some sort of drug diluded "in-crowd" type of royalty status. The music does not exsist to suite your petty whims and nightly fancies, and to feed your ego as you announce with self important authority those of the shows which were the hottest, and what the band should do to fix it. Take your head out of your ass and realize you have the chance to become part of something greater than yourself here. We're all waiting to welcome you with loving arms when you do.

Oh Yea, this band deserves to be boo'ed. Phil was not solisiting applause the other night from stage for himself you dunce, he was solisiting applause for the rest of the band. Don't project your own inadiquate teenage self image and desire for recognition on to Phil. Watch Phil on stage, he is as completely enamoured and amazed with this band as we are. I don't know him, but he seems to be a very grateful and humble man.

We all applaude this band.

Warren Haynes should get some kind of award for carrying four bands at the same time into rebirth and growth (one band he's not even a member). Truely a patchwork quilt of a life.

Rob Barraco is the hottest keyboard player I've ever seen play Dead music, his heart is in it every song, every night, every tour.

Jimmy Herring, has skillfully taken this music beyond what it was, while intuitively including everything that it had been. Touch-toning on everything important within it and gracefully defining it at higher altitudes without violating any of its parameters. Pretty good for a boy who never really identified with Dead music.

John "f*cking" Molo in the engine room. He lays the track, swings the hammer, fires the boiler, shovels the coal, generates the horsepower and provides the torque like he has two asses.

Phil Lesh, bearer of the ring. Phil stated when he parted with the corporation "I've just got to follow my weird" Well Phil, more or less in line, we're all right behind you.

I offer a standing ovation to all of these men for the pleasure of having seen even their worst performance.

If you guys are gonna play, I'm gonna go.

Unfortunatly to keep this thing going, we must rely on the less enlightened to buy tickets. Which means, we also have to listen to their boo'ing at the show, and their self-centered reviews after. Please be assured that these types always move on eventually to join some or another of Jane's Addictions claiming better music on the other side of the fence. Can't wait till you go.

Thank's again fellows for all you do. Wishing you and yours a very happy and healthy holiday season.

Sorry for the poison pen


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By kenny kars (Spanish_jam) on Sunday, December 07, 2003 - 04:45 pm: Edit Post

Well the last thing I want to do is write a review of "A SHOW" and get people pissed off at me especialy being that I was not at the show but being that there is so much controversy regarding 12/5 I figured a fairly objective review "OF THE MUSIC" may be well received...I hope. First of all I say fairly objective becasue I was not influenced by snow storms,traffic, the cold,the whistler, drunks yelling in my ear, or any of the other negative aspects that so many have mentioned on this thread to date. My review is based purely on the music and the groove. I will how ever further qualify my interest and love for the music by stating that I did see the entire Warfield run (9/25-9/27)and flew no less than 16 hours internationaly to get there.....and considered myself blessed and fortunate for having been there. So on that note.....

The opening jam into Again and Again was nice and the tune itself was in fact truly pretty or better yet quite sweet and for that matter so was the next tune Midnite train...but was lacking in power,jamming and conviction. If there was in fact a groove building I could not find it. Loose Lucy, a slow version, lacked punch and in fact I hate to say it was worthy of a run to the John because you certainly would not have missed a jam because there was none. Wharf Rat, was of the same vein as the previous tune...simply put...weak with little jamming or "enthusiasms" musicaly.I must add that I did love warrens vocals as he did sing with great emotion and sincerity. I can best put it by saying that up to this point if I was at the show the only reason I would have had to get out of my seat was for another run to the John. But then.....the highly anticipated scarlet......starts off nice and thought hey..."its alive" and yes....there is a groove forming.....but that did not last as there was barely a jam and they rushed into the fire. The "fire" did pick up the set...the pace and the cadence was forming and for the first time the band was playing with conviction. But before long and I mean sooner rather than later the tune abruptly ended and I was wondering was there a jam in there..did I miss something or what?

The second set started strong. Just a little light was HOT and the band seemed to find its footing. Jimmy sounded good and Warren was loving life. "All that we are" kept the pace and we were officially off to the races. A nice Jam followed in to Golden Road and finally it felt like Yes we could be in for a ball. Golden Road how ever seemed to be rushed and so was the jam. What followed was a listless and drifting quasi space-like jam into a Dark Star (V-1)...seemed like the band was not completely inspired....Walrus was very strong and the jam following was played very well.(Dark star v-2)..with a keen sence of presence and vitality.But something still lacked and I can not put my finger on it. Standing On the Moon was like Wharf rat....Warren nice on vocals but where was the jam?.....Simply put there was none! Viola creeped in with out a bang but more of a wimper..there was no pre jam ..nothing. It was warmly received as the band really needed to pull something out of the hat. Could this be it? Wow...6 minutes and 15 seconds later it was over. It had its moment but still it must have been the weakest Viola ever!
The enore..."The Real Thing" was beautiful....No doubt about it. But that was all down to Warren.

Folks I think that the band was just plum tuckered out. Exhausted and weary they just could not deliver the goods that night. Unfortunately there is always that chance after a long haul.

What word would I use to best describe this show....well lets just say I'd rather not say!

I LOVE THIS BAND AND CAN NOT WAIT FOR THE NEXT TOUR. LONG LIVE THE Q!

And one last thing.

ADIOS AMIGOS

PS....my spelling does SUCK.....oooopps....wanted to stay away from that word!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Keith Meagher (Kikkoman) on Sunday, December 07, 2003 - 04:53 pm: Edit Post

>>I do expect to have people behave in a semi-respectful manner.

Bucky, If you expect it then do so yourself. You know, I read your little stories and I think it is pathetic that, after throwing so much negarivity around here, you now try to elicit sympathy for your abandonned autistic child and your disabled body. You are a real piece of work. You talk about Phil standing on stage revelling in the energy he helped to generate and then after dissing him for it and even booing him with 2 thumbs down (which could easily have been construed as a comment about the tour) you try to elicit these pathetic emotions from people.

Try to stick by 'your word' next time a Phil Related event happens.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Lord Henry (Terrapindew) on Sunday, December 07, 2003 - 05:44 pm: Edit Post

STANDING ON THE MOON PEOPLE>>>>

STANDING ON THE FREAKIN MOON !!!!!!!

i'd rather be with the Q......


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By greg (Gregschmegg) on Sunday, December 07, 2003 - 05:49 pm: Edit Post

Standing on the moon
Where talk is cheap and vision true...


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By RockandRollGoddess (Rrg) on Sunday, December 07, 2003 - 06:15 pm: Edit Post

somewhere in san Francisco on a back porch in July ....


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Cary Krosinsky (Sweet_magnolias) on Sunday, December 07, 2003 - 06:30 pm: Edit Post

people - you are all being petty

notice that Phil didn't sing at all this night - even during Dark Star - the band played around the fact that he must have not been well

and the fact that a blizzard was anticipated, and the band had given so much so often

the band chose to play new songs - to start evolving the group FURTHER - is that really a negative?

sure, the show wasn't up to the previous night's incredibly lofty standards - but how often will that happen?

this band will be back because of the love - amongst the players and FROM US

the rest is all blah blah blah blah blah


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Fritzbonics (Fritzbonics) on Sunday, December 07, 2003 - 06:37 pm: Edit Post

This show was overrated,overhyped and didnt live up to expectatiosn for being the last show of tour and being in NYC.

seems like NYC shows are all over-hyped!

all other shows I saw on this tour were better then this and thats 6 other shows!

Ride into the city was more fun then this show.
Meeting zoners at the bahh was more fun then this show.

Usaully i dont post any negative posts on the show reviews... but this one takes the cake for it.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Alex Pozzy (Redtide) on Sunday, December 07, 2003 - 07:49 pm: Edit Post

I saw the first 2 Beacon runs with a great friend who's been doing shows with me since our first in '83. We were absolutely, completely, blown away by the first 2 nights. We both missed the third night. Upon seeing the final setlist the next morning, I sent an email saying "I assume it was better in person than it looks on paper?"

NO. He said it was easily one of the worst 2 Phil shows he's ever seen.

But that's why we keep going back...


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By dan (Gratefuldan) on Sunday, December 07, 2003 - 09:44 pm: Edit Post

notice that Phil didn't sing at all this night - even during Dark Star - the band played around the fact that he must have not been well

Phil sang Scarlet:-)


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By BassGreat (Leshphilling) on Sunday, December 07, 2003 - 10:08 pm: Edit Post

>>If you guys are gonna play, I'm gonna go.

AMEN.

I've said it often to a couple of my local zoner buddies: "Where Phil goes I go..."

GOD BLESS YOU PHIL, THANKS FOR KEEPING THE FLAME ABLAZE!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Christopher B Rollins (Canartgrp) on Sunday, December 07, 2003 - 11:05 pm: Edit Post

I'm happy anytime Phil is grinning


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Richie Nagan (Negman) on Sunday, December 07, 2003 - 11:24 pm: Edit Post

I heard that Phil lost his voice before the second set. Could explain why Rob sang his lines in Dark Star and Rob and Molo did the intro/donor rap.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By ^^ (Mongbat) on Monday, December 08, 2003 - 12:42 am: Edit Post

What he lost in his voice, he made up for with his bass. He was dropping some huge bombs.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Andrew Goodman (Ag1) on Monday, December 08, 2003 - 12:45 am: Edit Post

Wasnt there, but just listened.
This show was good!!!
Not perfect, but very good.

Some of you need to go see Ratdog. Get some cheese with your whine.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Andrew Goodman (Ag1) on Monday, December 08, 2003 - 01:13 am: Edit Post

slow start,
smokin from Rat till the end.
Best ever: No
Bad: NOT EVEN CLOSE


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By LessThan (Lessthan) on Monday, December 08, 2003 - 01:50 am: Edit Post

Considering the fact that this show very well could have been the last Phil Lesh and Friends show I am shocked that more people didn't get their mind in a place where they could find the GOOD in the show.

Again and Again - Has always been a song about the band and the fans to me.
"It's good to be back again and again and again and again
Like there ain't never ever gonna be no end"


Midnight Train - Are you kidding me? flat or no jam? where were you all the bathroom? Listen to the stream. You may not like this song but you have to be able to hear them tear it a new asshole. It made me take a step back in disbelief that they were jamming it out so hard. For that song which has been compared to Steely Dan and called Jazzy by some of my freinds they rocked it out.

Grains of sand sifted, drifting through our hands

Loose Lucy - ahhhhh
Thank Q for a real good time!

Wharf,Scarlet>Fire - great 2nd half of the first set.

Just a little light - PRETTY POWERFUL RENDITION. I hope it gets to where it is needed.

All That We Are - I thought this was the most important song of the ENTIRE TOUR.
especially when paired with...

Golden Road - in this slot it is the alpha and omega. the beginning and the future. (also a shift to a out of this world theme "dancing around the sun - dark star- stom) and they rocked it out pretty hard as well...seems to be a recurring statement.
Well, everybody's dancing in a ring around the sun
Nobody's finished, we ain't even begun


the rest of the show is just one big masterpiece. Interlocking and just beautiful.

The Real thing - I think it fit so well with the situation. Take care of each other on a night when we needed it more than usual. THAT is the real thing.




Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Laughing Bones (Laughing_bones1) on Monday, December 08, 2003 - 08:07 am: Edit Post

right on LT

could not agree more bout' Midnight Train.
I could not BELIEVE how sick the jam was. Awesome build, super intense, and extremely well focused.

I too was hoping for the Cold Rain>Keep on Growin opener but during the MT I (finally) realized it really DOESN'T matter what tunes these guys play, cause they can reach THAT level at any given time during ANY given tune.

I was TRULY thinking during the Midnight Train jam that it was JUST AS SICK as anything I'd heard this tour and after was just like standing there in disbelief, like I can't believe I dug THAT tune, THAT much.

Go back and check the tapes you'll see what I'm raving about.

The rest of the show (which was awesome IMO) was just gravy, after 30 minutes and 2 tunes I had already gotten what I came for.

LONG LIVE THE Q, THEY TRULY ARE THE REAL THING, I FOR ONE HOPE THEY RETURN AGAIN AND AGAIN AND AGAIN AND AGAIN

peace,
bones :-)


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By TOM MCGANN (Bklynpolar) on Monday, December 08, 2003 - 08:23 am: Edit Post

hi to all

it might not have been the best show
it might not have been the worst show

it was a show
the songs were good
the sound system and lights were fine

all the people i went with and all of the people who sat around me had a good time

that's all i know

walrus rocked

stop the bickering

tom


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By rich bach (Reech) on Monday, December 08, 2003 - 10:17 am: Edit Post

what bickering?
The show was fine...well played...the song selection could have been much better.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By brick (Gmack) on Monday, December 08, 2003 - 11:02 am: Edit Post

I dont think some folks get it. LT nailed it. I think its over. They "left us" with their album. Not necessarily what I would have wanted to hear but I really think there was a message being sent.flatout did everything they could to coronate Warren ( as if he needed it ) short of bringing out the robe and crown, ala Elvis. ( the Mule fliers on all the saeats was a nice touch~ was waiting for the PA to announce -" if you liked this~ you'll LOVE Govt. Mule 3 nights only....".

strange song selection, all ripped up, IMO. Warren was a beast. Molo was jumping out of his seat ( literally one time in the first set.)

this Band owes me nothing.
neither does this website.
there are some righteous MotherF*ckers making up this Cyber Mob we inhabit. To you folks, I raise my glass.

This was a fun ride



Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Whitman Mayo (Grady) on Monday, December 08, 2003 - 11:43 am: Edit Post

I, like Bucky, was disappointed in Friday's show. Not to that degree but to be honest, I thought it just wasn't very good as an overall show. I thought the timing of Wharf Rat was poor. I thought that new songs at the top of both sets were a letdown and I felt the encore choice was almost a kick in the teeth. Great run, disappointing close.

However, no matter how intense the opinions get, no matter how obnoxious one comes across here and no matter what nasty names are called out, it's only fucking rock and roll guys.

And to even imply any kind of physical violence against another individual because of what resulted after a bloody concert is just plain silly. I'm not a big peace and love kind of guy, but c'mon. What is this, high School?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By phil lisio (Slapbob) on Monday, December 08, 2003 - 11:54 am: Edit Post

Did anyone notice how hesitant the band was before launching into Warf Rat? I was certain they were going to bust into something new/strange -- when they started playing it felt like they were intentionally jamming as close as they could into Dark Star without actaully going into it. In fact, it felt like they played that game a bunch of times in both sets before finally breaking into the song.

No question they were tired. Wouldn't you be? But it was an interesting and beautiful show -- with jams in the first set that were definitely "new terrain".

The Real Thing encore -- perfect for this band at the end of a great run -- especially because we never know if they'll ever play again, let alone at the Beacon!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By midyswel (Mightyswell) on Monday, December 08, 2003 - 12:20 pm: Edit Post

> Considering the fact that this show very well could have been the last Phil Lesh and Friends show I am shocked that more people didn't get their mind in a place where they could find the GOOD in the show.

EXACTLY LT.. classy gesture on the "Thank You Phil" banner btw..also enjoyed rocking with you & Team Molo at the Knitting Factory..

not trying to pile on here but once again I think our resident pundit misses the bigger picture, Phil raising his arms not seeking out egoic praise for those on stage but rather celebrating the collective WE that close the circuit and bring the ENERGY, he wanted us to applaud ourSELVES..

sometimes it's not about the besting the last and more more more, sometimes it's the contrasts and the tension, the subtle depiction of the BIG PICTURE, the INTROSPECTION..

craziness preceeding show, morning good byes said in Huck's room to her, Redneck and BOTB, SNOWING but gotta get back where I belong so off to airport, snow piling up, flight's backing up, talk to a couple pilots and they're like "Dude get out of this airport while you can, you're not going anywhere."

my phone rings, Brick is on the line (brother is one walk the walking rock solid dude as they come, thanks for the incredible experience of Wednesday, Beacon Stage makes a helluva beer holder don't it? ;)

anywayz, seems BOTB's posted an APB that I might need rescuing, SI steps up and offers up his extra (that I'd sold him two nights earlier to help out another brother, heh heh, kewl) so Brick's on his way to rescue me from airport, opens his home and beautiful family to me and takes this stranded zoner under wing.. talk about zoners helping zoners, I'm truly humbled by y'all's friendship and generosity..

two hours later we reach safe haven, grab a bite and on the train BACK into the city (TABA, right?) step off at 72 and Broadway and run smack into Skins and his mates, couldn't be scripted any better, Warfield revisited, bookends..

standing in front of Beacon I mention to someone "yeah I left this spot 9 houors ago and spent the last 9 getting back to this spot" ...surreal...guess I'm 'sposed to be here, run into many of the peeps that made the previous two nights so special and memorable: Huck, Peggy-O, SI, Rev Shabbaz, Mike Pace, Skadhi, GregSchmegg and Beth, Lites, Althea..all of us achuckle at the COSMIC HUMOR being played out here..Peggy-O saying I'm back for my Cosmic Chaz..inside with Brick & SI to our seats where we find LT...totally different view from Low Balcony, contributing to the Out O' Bodyness of the moment, having been on the floor the previous two nights, very different perspective, like watching from the moon ;)

found most of set one reflective and introspective, the combo of ingestibles contributing to the contemplative opportunities the setlist offered..

set 2 continuing the theme, by now the Beacon a frikkin Sauna, HOT HOT..

Golden Road through Viola was for me pure Q at it's best, THE SNAKE was on! Dark Star > Walrus > DS> SOTM :-)> Viola...

Tears and Cheers.. strange sense of closure and finality here..

Real Thing, whoa..."put here for a reason.."

No Cosmic, No Complaints.

Thanks again to ALL the kindness from the cool and righteous inhabitants of this space..

as I told Brick and SI at the show, "a veritable Zoner Xmas story."

BOTB, thanks again for getting me "home", sorry I missede y'all Friday night..Greg, right back atcha brutha..Rev.."Hey mister, how MUCH for this SHODDY merchandise?"

;^)








Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Doug (Other12) on Monday, December 08, 2003 - 01:03 pm: Edit Post

>Great run, disappointing close.

See here, how everything, lead up to this day.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Mark Page (Mpage64) on Monday, December 08, 2003 - 01:37 pm: Edit Post

My wife and I were walking out of the Beacon Friday night, when the guy at the end of our row (J) says "that was the worst Phil show ever and look at all these trained seals clapping." Mary Ellen turns to me and gives me that What An Asshole Look and I just give her a shrug. From reading this thread I now know who that was sitting at the end of our row giving us his unsolicited opinion of the show: BUCKY! He used thst same "trained seal" line in his review earlier. Huck, you were probably right next to Mary Ellen and I when this loudmouth had his case of verbal diarrhea. And you were right, we don't need people like him bring us down a little after an enjoyable show.

It takes all types to make this world go round.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Dan (Danthejerk) on Monday, December 08, 2003 - 01:53 pm: Edit Post

the real thing is a coke commercial. booing is every fan's right. bucky is the man. who is phil lesh anyway? a bass player singing yesterdays's garcia songs.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Max Karten (Fluffhead) on Monday, December 08, 2003 - 02:10 pm: Edit Post

>>My wife and I were walking out of the Beacon Friday night, when the guy at the end of our row (J) says "that was the worst Phil show ever and look at all these trained seals clapping." Mary Ellen turns to me and gives me that What An Asshole Look and I just give her a shrug. From reading this thread I now know who that was sitting at the end of our row giving us his unsolicited opinion of the show: BUCKY!

Row J in the Loge or Orch that is. I was at the end of Row J in the UPBALC and I was standing, probably the last person in the place still clapping and smiling big and wide. Not because it was an unbelievable show but because it was an unbelievable TOUR.

And as far as being all over me for dissin Bobby and Joan...it is my opinion. If you like them then all the power to you...I truly hope you enjoy Ratdog like sex, i just dont, thats my opinion. The only reason I dont like Joan, even though she does have an AMAZING VOICE, is because by her singing Stella or Sugaree she is just disrespecting Jerry. For a pop singer to be singing Jerry's most emotional songs is really disgusting to me, but again that is just my opinion, if you dont feel that her singing those songs is offensive than that is fine too.

But once again I do not respect people who act like Bucky did, or people who use words like "JERRY IS DEAD. GET OVER IT." Obviously Jerry didnt touch you like a loved one does. If your brother or father died and eight years later someone told you "NEWSFLASH MORON: YOUR FATHERS DEAD GET OVER IT" you would probably punch them in the face and/or cry.

I respect others opinions, but not others disrespect. Once again, if you didnt hear me at the Orpheum or Beacon, I LOVE YOU PHIL, THANK YOU.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Mark Page (Mpage64) on Monday, December 08, 2003 - 02:22 pm: Edit Post

I was in Row J of the Orchestra. Bucky was to the left of me closer to the Stage Door.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Al White (Alwhite) on Monday, December 08, 2003 - 05:36 pm: Edit Post

So many people sleepwalk through their lives wasting the precious moments they are blessed with. In my judgment, no one on this board is sleepwalking their way through. One of the reasonsí I love PLQ is that the music hits me in a place most music, and most things do not. Some songs, pairings of songs, jams, sets and entire shows have touched my soul and evoked powerful feelings and true passion. One thing I can say from reading these posts is that YOU ALL possess the passion Iím talking aboutÖ. some positive some negative. Regardless, I view it ALL as GOOD.

I had the pleasure and good fortune to attend 12-5 and all 3 Tower shows and I agree with most of the comments reviewing the shows., I thought Phil sounded congested Friday night and Iím speculating he caught the flu as many have (including myself). Why else would they not bust out ďCold Rain and Snow? (Phil tore that song up in Philly on a cold Sat night). If Phil was sick, he certainly performed in the best of ďthe show must go onĒ tradition. The fact that he gave Scarlet a try evidenced his desire to please us. Itís obvious to me that his attempt at Scarlet blew his voice out. He didnít sing nor talk for the rest of the show. Iím guessing they had to juggle the set list last minute to accommodate the situation, which had to cause some confusion. Either way, the show was not bad at allÖ.just a little mellow, which was fine by me, especially after the unbelievably high energy kick-ass show Sunday at the Tower. In the past, Iíve been guilty of blowing up my pre-show expectations only to be disappointed. One of the most valuable things Iím learning in my life is to live in the moment without the burden of preconceived expectations.

As for Fridayís offerings, I thought the three There and Back Again songs were played and performed very well. The Walrus was the shit and Golden Road placed in the middle of the set was cool. Just a Little Light, Loose Lucy, SOTM were all PLQ firsts for me, all good, not spectacular versions. Also, I never heard All That We Are before. Where did that come from?

Hey, one of the reasonís Iíve been to over 25 Phil shows is that on any given night, I can catch that killer show. (Stablerís Night of 1000 Stars and last Sundayís watchTower) They all canít be killer.

Random Comments:

We took a NY based friend, Andy K to see his first PLQ show Friday and not knowing what other shows were like he, loved it!

Acoustics in the loge were the best Iíve heard at the Beacon.

The NY crowd likes to kibbutz during the music. It sounded like a bid cocktail party more than a concert.

Loved seeing you, most gracious Michael McMullan. (coo coo cahooo). Thanks for turning me on to Yogiís before the show.

I had a great time traveling and hanging out with my lifelong brothers Ed and LGÖ.. thanks for a fun and hilarious 24-hour straight-line adventure..OOH OOH LAUGHING BONES.

I emailed Dew to attempt to meet her after all this time and never heard back.

Hey, funny cantankerous rubber boy in front of usÖ.. Thanks for not puking. This dude did some classic pratfalls and then got himself up to cheer for SOTM.

I met a nice dude at the show who sat in front of me (far left Loge, row D with a Zoner shirt) and says heís been lurking the zone for years. He promised to write something on this board. Iím waitingÖÖ

This CANíT be the last PLQ show!

Without love day-to-day, insanity's king


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By shakin (Bones28) on Monday, December 08, 2003 - 06:14 pm: Edit Post

>>>step off at 72 and Broadway and run smack into Skins and his mates, couldn't be scripted any better, Warfield revisited, bookends..

Good to meet and hang with you in SF. Glad you got to stay for another show. Seems like everytime I was turning around Friday night, we were running into each other. Same beer/bathroom schedule I presume...


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Rob (Waitomo) on Monday, December 08, 2003 - 08:21 pm: Edit Post

Listen, Fluffhead...

I wasn't the first one disrespecting people. You, like so many others here, put in your snide digs at Bob Weir. And that is wrong. You wanna say you don't like Bobby, say it. Don't harsh on everyone else who will ENJOY going to see The Dead this summer. Your little remark implies like that we're all fools for going to the Dead because it'll suck. It won't.

Sometimes I think people like you have no business even going to shows. If Bob was so bad, why was he playing with Jerry in Mother Mcree's and the Warlocks? I know why. Because he brainwashed Jerry for over thirty years. Yeah, that's it.

And who elected you the keeper of the Jerry Flame? Joan is disrespecting Jerry by singing Stella Blue and Sugaree? How unbelievably fucking laughable! What should the Dead do... not sing those songs? Wipe out more than half the catalog?

Oh, I see, Joan is a "pop singer."

Actually, if you knew anything about Joan, you'd know that she cut her teeth playing open mics and bars with seven people in them. To imply that she's some kind of Britney Spears is not only downright insulting, it's flat-out wrong. And Joan has had exactly one, count it, one hit single. And I'm sure it didn't sell as well as Touch of Grey.

But according to you, Joan is "disrespecting" Jerry. Well, obviously Phil and Bobby and Mickey and Billy don't feel that way. Somehow I think they carry a little more weight than sanctimonious people like you.

And another thing, you wanna throw a punch like some other idiots on this board... go ahead. That's so in the spirit of the Grateful Dead.

Just like insulting members of that band because you feel the need to bring yoursef up by bringing other people down.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Tom Banjo (Tomtom) on Monday, December 08, 2003 - 09:48 pm: Edit Post

Blueberry Fields Forever


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Laughing Bones (Laughing_bones1) on Monday, December 08, 2003 - 10:12 pm: Edit Post

I'm listening to the Fire on Zone radio and its SCORCHING. Thanks TR, sounds great streaming, can't imagine what it would sound like cranking on my stereo. To the non believers I have but one choice and that is to quote the Jerky boys..

"Open up your ears jackass!":-)

ps-Bring on Just a Little Light!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By kenny kars (Spanish_jam) on Tuesday, December 09, 2003 - 07:38 am: Edit Post

Well.....am back and must address this show again as I feel I have done an injustice with my innitial "review of the music" for 12/5 Beacon.

I was so pleased to see the show available on sugarmegs and based my review on listening to the show from that source. As pointed out from my buddy a review could be accurate or skewed taking in to account the quality of the source. This is oh so true especially with this show. The quality of music streamed from sugarmegs site was simply put lacking. I have now listened to the stream more than once on zone radio and my opinion of this show has dramatically changed. I am not going to review the music song by song as I did earlier but will simply say the show is not poor in fact I like the music. There is good pace, energy, conviction, jamming and a pretty good groove. I truly apologise to all Phans and Zoners for my some what inacurate portrayal.

I wouldn't mind if a few out there compared the audios streams from both the sources mentioned and see if you could understand my varying assesments and comments. The difference is unbelievable.

and one last thing...

Adios Amigos

PS...My spelling still SUCKS but the show defenitely did not!!!




Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By LessThan (Lessthan) on Tuesday, December 09, 2003 - 10:37 am: Edit Post

now just imagine how different you might possibly maybe feel if you were actually at the show.

I bet you would like it 10x more then the 10x more that you are liking it now!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Huck Lewis (Huckberry) on Tuesday, December 09, 2003 - 10:44 am: Edit Post

live or memorex

this recording will self destruct in five seconds.....

your mission if you decide to accept it is.....

KABOOOOOOOM


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By kenny kars (Spanish_jam) on Tuesday, December 09, 2003 - 10:53 am: Edit Post

Now Lessthan.....lets not get carried away....this show was IMHO far from great.

...and did you check out the difference of quality of streams? Would like to hear your thoughts on the difference.

Adios Amigo


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Hail Skins (Lastleaffallen) on Tuesday, December 09, 2003 - 10:58 am: Edit Post

right on LT

like I said in my review "dual planes of reality"

I was on the floor down by Warrren, everyone in my section seemed to be having a great time. This show was important for the band as well as the fans.

I think it's a shame some of these folks don't get The Real Thing..outside of Patchwork it's my favorite TABA song. I believe it's about Allen Woody..





He wore a song around his neck
Like some medal of honor
He carried his wisdom like a knife
An empty pocket was a temporary chain
Knowing you've got it coming
Ain't no crime

Every blue note that rolled off his tongue
You could feel his soul twisting right in two
Nobody knew where he came from
Ah but everybody knew, everybody knew

He was the real thing
No doubt about it
The kind that you remember when they're gone
The real thing
Put here for a reason
We knew someday the whole world
Was going to know his name
He was the real thing

She whispered in his ear, and he heard the thunder
Singing 'bout a world he never knew
Head spinning round, he began to wonder
Was he made to love her, or born to sing the blues

He searched inside him for an answer
But all he found was a troubled mind
He left her somewhere on the blue highway
Oh it wasn't just another love that he left behind

It was the real thing
No doubt about it
The kind that you remember when it's gone
The real thing
Not like passion's fire
But a burning, smoldering, eternal flame
It was the real thing

And sometimes at night he longs for her whisper
But he hides from the dawn, 'cause he always wakes to find her gone

In some broken down dressing room in some major city
The thunder plays an old familiar tune
He spies a face of a distant angel
Outside, beneath the halo moon

Finger on the trigger, needle in the vein
One more bullet, it might be your last ride
This is ain't no no-show, this ain't no nervous breakdown
And it sure as hell ain't the time to let the fool decide

This is the real thing
No doubt about it
Who cares if they love you and you're gone
This is the real thing
So you were put here for a reason
But what gives you the right to quit when you're tired
Anyway boy, this ain't no game
This is the real thing

He wore a song around his neck
Like some medal of honor
He carried his wisdom like a knife



Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Keyshawnsucks (Keyshawnsucks) on Tuesday, December 09, 2003 - 11:08 am: Edit Post

Well....for ME....last Friday was a LOT of things.
The BEST of which were seein' Ol' Phriends...and meetin' some in person for the foist time....such as Scarlet (a GENUINE pleasure, Darlin')...and Tim....Eyes....Lites...Prodl and of course Grady, without whom I wouldn't have even been there, since it was HE who responded to my request for a Ticket...AND came through with TWO...one for Fritz also.
Kudos to YOU, Dude!
Hope your lovely Lady enjoyed the Show.
Saw Tim...Huck...LessThan & Greaterthan...Greg...(Hey! Now WE'VE got a Matsui, too!)...SI...Peggy-O....BOTB and Red...Mike Pace.

Seein' everybody was a Stone Gas!

Which unfortunately, is more than I can say for the Show which we all experienced.
I...SEPERATED by Bucky by a Balcony...had much the same impression as he did regardin' the Performance.
As obviously (from his Post above) did Fritz, who sat right next to me...and some others here such as Grady, who again came up with our Tickets, but took in the Show from a different vantage point.

The "Wharf Rat" was INDEED to my ears...slow...much like a Funeral Dirge.
Warren's Guitar had that nice "tone" to it...but as far as INTENSITY goes....that simply was not present.
The "Scarlet">"Fire" WAS fun, however.
How could a "Scarlet">"Fire" NOT be?

As for the 2nd Set....well...that's where the Bigger disappointments were to be found.

The "Dark Star">"Walrus">"Dark Star" was the OBVIOUS highlight of the night...in both masterful playin' and song selection.

But the rest of the set?
VERY few "shining moments" can be extracted....one of which bein' the last Instrumental in "Standing on the Moon".
THAT was good.
As was I thought, "Just a Little Light".

But "Viola"?
Nowwwww....What THE F**K?!
If they're gonna play a Musical Masterpiece like "Viola" for 6-7 Minutes why the f**k bother playin' it AT ALL?
There was SO MUCH more room for them to step out and REALLY take the tune...and US...on a magical ride...that what they did to THAT PARTICULAR song, DOES deserve to be booed!

I've read what's been posted here, regarding a certain individuals' reaction at the end of the show....and the general consensus condemning that action.
I ask, "Why"?
Are Phil and Friends (I AIN'T callin' 'em the "Q")...ABOVE being criticized when they, and this IS totally subjective to an individuals taste...DO NOT fulfill, and dare I say, in "Viola's" case...DO NOT even MAKE THE EFFORT to fulfill the musical EXCELLENCE of which we KNOW they are capable of?
If that criticism takes the form of a vocal displeasure, WHY is that considered an "infamnia"...or "blasphemic" here?
It seems to me...that for a lot of people here....the mere gesture of performing the music is enough....regardless of how stellar, or lackluster a performance IS....you're just glad that they're still playin'.
Not me...and apparently not Bucky.
Go back and LISTEN to Phil Shows such as 4/23/00...5/27/00...2/18/01...4/20/01...4/29/01...4/30/01...7/21/01...11/23/01...11/30/01...7/5/02...7/14/02....and COUNTLESS others.
THOSE Shows, and MANY MORE, show them playing with a PURPOSE, a DESIRE for EXCELLENCE.

12/5/03 does NOT.
And deserves to be criticized as such.

WHY should a man be VILLIFIED, for voicing his displeasure?
Are these 5 Musicians above that?






Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Andrew Goodman (Ag1) on Tuesday, December 09, 2003 - 11:16 am: Edit Post

> I think it's a shame some of these folks don't get The Real Thing..outside of Patchwork it's my favorite TABA song. I believe it's about Allen Woody..

The words seem to fit, and it may have taken on this meaning since his passing, but this song was definitely written and had been performed before Woody died.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By joe wheeler (Jerseyjoe) on Tuesday, December 09, 2003 - 11:36 am: Edit Post

hey BUCKY i found another bus u can get ON! american idol tour, my 13 yr old niece has an extra with your name on it. may the hare christna's surround you and take u away with them CHING CHING CHING


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By LessThan (Lessthan) on Tuesday, December 09, 2003 - 12:15 pm: Edit Post

>>>>WHY should a man be VILLIFIED, for voicing his displeasure?

Do you really think that is the problem? I am so sick to death of the censorship hawks around here. It is impossible for anyone other than ADMIN to CENSOR someone. If someone gives person x gives their opinion,
say something like "pumpkin pie sucks".... and person y says "hey you shouldn't say it sucks" that is NOT censorship. It may be an argument or a differing opinion but it is not censorship.

Letís take it one step further...
If person x says "hey that van Gogh Starry Night painting sucks"
and person y says "hey that may be your OPINION but I liked it"
and person x says "No it is a fact. Look at this painting and that painting and it is obvious that Starry Night just doesn't deliver the goods"
and person y says "hey, you may try to keep you opinion to yourself and not ruin everyone elseís mood around you"

That is not censorship. That may be an argument or difference in opinion but if person x can say whatever they want then person y can too.


MY OPINION on the matter is that BUCKY believes his opinion is the only one that matters. Or at least that is the way he comes off. I personally didn't get off on the SUN TOWER SHOW. You know, it just didn't do it for me in person. I mean I loved moments of it and knew they played their asses off, but...FOR ME, there was no connective tissue between the songs, but I know that was in my head, my trip. Everyone around me saw the greatest show on earth. Same thing for the Tues show in NY. So much so that we didn't go out after partying because we didn't want to walk into a room full of tripping people and be the ones to say we didn't like the show.

I have no problem with Bucky's opinions. Everyone has one and in the end they all amount to nothing but idle thoughts.

I do have a problem with the aggressive nature of his posts, his song and dance and shuffle off to mope in martyrdom and then gleefully reappear again....just to repeat the performance. I mean this is his third exit in as many months right? And I remember at least one other as well.
If you need to post a farewell post then you are all about the drama.

Why can't he just post his opinion and be done with it? Why must he fight back the philistines in a never ending war to protect his OBVIOUSLY minority opinions like his fixation on strict adherence to his favorite set list and aversion to Stella and other beloved songs?

I remember my VERY FIRST POST to the Philzone. After a day and a half of lurking I went through all the active threads and cut and pasted all of Bucky's rude and vindictive comments and pasted them into one post and basically said what Rob (Waitomo) said on Saturday, December 06, 2003 - 04:43 pm. I find it funny that his first post is to tell Bucky that he finds him unnecessarily abrasive as well.

Hey Bucky you can say anything you want. But when someone contradicts you all you need to do is say "hey that's my opinion" and that's it.
If someone calls you a name...OH NO sticks and stones my friend sticks and stones.

MY PROBLEM with BUCKY is that he dredges up and continues to stoke the fire to the point of absurdity. Just like REV and POPI and REV and ZIPPY. WE GET THE FUCKING POINT you only like shows that fit into your little glass box view of what this band should be. Well alright then. Got it. Understood. No need to keep telling us how much the band sucks and how many more shows you won't go see and how you feel about all the shows you didn't attend.

I didn't go gaga like I normally do Tues at the beacon. BUT BUT BUT when I heard the stream from generous Mr. TAPERROB I was floored at how well things were played from beginning to end. TOTALLY DIFFERENT reaction. And that goes to show that mindset has a lot to do with whether you enjoy a show.

I LOVED the last show. It was truly a wide open event. PURE PHIL AND FRIENDS IF I EVER HEARD IT. I got everything I needed out of it. I walked away completely content with the show, my headspace, and my life in general. Am I wrong? Do I not know how to listen to music? AM I NOT EXPERIENCED ENOUGH TO UNDERSTAND THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A GOOD SHOW AND A BAD ONE? I wonder if that isn't it. Is that what Bucky is looking for? A chance to make sure he doesn't slip down the ladder of DEADDOM?

Look Key I want the same thing from the Philzone as I want from going to shows. A place to saturate myself with the good vibes associated with the community that surrounds the band PHIL LESH and FRIENDS and THE DEAD. When bad vibes invade that space, like the inevitably will, I can deal with it. BUT when one person continually injects pessimistic and aggressively negative behavior I will use my uncensored voice to raise my one man one vote against it. Just like you are.

In the mean time I will remember Bucky for what he hated, just like Huck said, not what he liked. Somehow I think wherever he is, he is looking down on us right nowÖand thinkingÖTHATíS NOT A REAL POSTÖI HAVE POSTED ENOUGH POSTS TO KNOW THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A ÖÖblah blah blah blah blah.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Keyshawnsucks (Keyshawnsucks) on Tuesday, December 09, 2003 - 12:31 pm: Edit Post

Well LT, that was quite eloquently stated.
As you most always do.

I DO understand both points of view, as I think you realize.

The villification to which I refer, are the more vociferous vulgarities (nice illiteration, huh?...LOL) being slung back and forth.
THAT is most unfortunate.

You'll recall that you tol' me at The Vibes last year that you wouldn't be goin' to see OUR Boys...The Who...as you didn't think THEY were "up-to-snuff"...but that you hoped I enjoyed the HELL outta my Birthday Show last Year..at The Garden.
And even without "The Ox"...it WAS pretty DAMN Good!
And I KNOW you keep up with their "doings".

I guess what I'm sayin' here is, we've ALL got opinions on this VERY subjective issue called "Music", and how we individually perceive it, and how it affects us...in our HEART...and our SOUL.
Nobody should let someone else's feelings influence how THEY THEMSELVES experience this truly personal relationship between ones' self and the Music.
At least that's how I see it.





Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By LessThan (Lessthan) on Tuesday, December 09, 2003 - 12:38 pm: Edit Post

RIGHT ON THE $.

I was just thinking that. I was going to post that (in reference to Hucks words on the other thread concering product/process) if you are looking at your watch during a show to time the songs you aren't getting all you can out of it but you know what...whatever works for you. If that is what makes your synapses crackle then I want to get you the mac daddy pocketwatch with the chronograph lap measuring stopwatch so you can time each verse-jam-verse movement of the thing. AS YOU SO ELOQUENTLY PUT THINGS....RRRRRRRROOOOOOOOOOCCCCCCCCKKKKKKK ON.

Just please when you , meaning anyone, come to review the show...remember that others come here too.

thats all.

and I still have that videotape I owe you. :-)


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By LessThan (Lessthan) on Tuesday, December 09, 2003 - 12:41 pm: Edit Post

in fact I want to edit that post to read:

Just please when you , meaning NOT YOU becuase you share many opinions with B but rarely every state them in a way that prevents conversation, come to review the show...remember that others come here too.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Keyshawnsucks (Keyshawnsucks) on Tuesday, December 09, 2003 - 12:49 pm: Edit Post

A tip of my Jets Cap to you, LT.
Again....eloquently put.
:-)

But, for the Record....the only tunes I'm ever interested in knowing the length of are..."Dark Star"...and "Viola".
I look at my Watch when they start...and then when they finish.
My own lil' quirk.
;-)

Mostly though....you can find me blissfully in "Air Guitar Heaven"!
LOL


:-)


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By LessThan (Lessthan) on Tuesday, December 09, 2003 - 12:51 pm: Edit Post

roflmao!!!!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Keyshawnsucks (Keyshawnsucks) on Tuesday, December 09, 2003 - 12:58 pm: Edit Post

Oh Yeeaaahhhh...
I almos' forGOT 'bout that Tape!
You DID find it?
LOL


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Bill H. (Knowuser) on Tuesday, December 09, 2003 - 01:09 pm: Edit Post

Boo too yoo dood, and yoor self-center point of viewoo dood. It's not the band's fault when the music sucks for yoo dood, its yoor fault. Yoo and yoor boo hoo doods. Yoor boo says so much about whoo yoo are dood. Yoor a boo hoo dood. Boo whoo? Boo yoo dood! Yoor newoo name is the boo hoo dood. Dood.

Yoor just a mu(oo)sic consu(oo)mer dood. I say boo too the boo hoo dood. Join me! Come on everybody sing! BOO tOO the bOO hOO dOOd. BOO tOO the bOO hOO dOOd. That's yoo dood. Boo yoo.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Keyshawnsucks (Keyshawnsucks) on Tuesday, December 09, 2003 - 01:12 pm: Edit Post

I didn't realize Yogi Bear's sidekick Boo-Boo was a 'Head.
:-)

I guess we ARE everywhere.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By shark (Finn) on Tuesday, December 09, 2003 - 01:21 pm: Edit Post

> I think it's a shame some of these folks don't get The Real Thing..outside of Patchwork it's my favorite TABA song. I believe it's about Allen Woody..

I always think of Jerry when I hear it
I think of the Jerry Garcia ties when I hear
"he wore a song around his neck"


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By midyswel (Mightyswell) on Tuesday, December 09, 2003 - 02:18 pm: Edit Post

it's DEFINITELY about Woody but that's the beauty of great art and music, artist's intent and meaning lose their subjectivity once the note is written and the brush stroke is done..

it's about what's evoked in the moment..

I see what I see, I hear what I hear, I feel what I feel..

or some hippie BS like that :-)


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Hail Skins (Lastleaffallen) on Tuesday, December 09, 2003 - 02:19 pm: Edit Post

Nice one Shark

he most certainly did


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By BassGreat (Leshphilling) on Tuesday, December 09, 2003 - 09:44 pm: Edit Post

>>a bass player singing yesterdays's garcia songs.

That, and sooooooooo much more...


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By JR (Westladeadhead) on Wednesday, December 10, 2003 - 03:35 am: Edit Post

The words seem to fit, and it may have taken on this meaning since his passing, but this song was definitely written and had been performed before Woody died.
Andrew --Allen Woody Died in 2000 the song was recorded in 2002. When did Warren write or play this before TABA?????
I have seen the PLQ about 30-35 times (need to count tix stubs) and with the exception of 08/30/02 I usually leave feeling estactic and happy this band continues play and get better. Pretty amazing ratio of good shows to dissapointments!
As far as this tour goes I caught only the Warfield run and thought they played levels better than anything I saw in 2002! Heard 12/05/02 on stream and felt it was a also a good show and wish I could have been @ the Beacon. I think Phil's new tunes on TABA are mostly excellent. Real Thing, Patchwork Quilt (deadicated to Jer), Again and Again, and the Jam in Midnight Train are great. And of course there is the new Hunter written classic Lay of The Sunflower with music written by Warren! Celebration's lyrics are very healing.
Warren does about the best justice and most tasteful vocals on all Jerry Ballads IMHO compared to anone else on the planet. He sings Stella, SOTM, and Warf Rat so well IMO that it evokes some of those emotions I used to feel when Jerry sang them! I also feel the same about this in regards to Brent's songs as well. I wish he and Rob would take over all Jerry's tunes and Phil stick to his traditional tunes like Box, Tom Thumbs, UBC and Pride...etc.
No one is playing Grateful Dead to level of the PLQ IMO is playing today! God Bless Them. Part of what I liked about this tour is that most of the nay-sayers and Bob-star lovers were weeded out letting us fans ((Zoners and Mobsters)) dance and listen to the music VS chatting disrespectfully during the show. LONG LIVE THE PLQ


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Brian D (Bluestnote) on Wednesday, December 10, 2003 - 07:23 am: Edit Post

Chatty effers galore Friday night. Two guys behind me doing blow didn't shut up ALL night, but it would have been pointless to say anything, beacause I could make out conversations all around me.

Its a shame the setlist defines the show for some pholks. Worse that the tempo of tunes defines it for others.

Knew the A&A opener would unleash a bitchfest, and people were complaining about the encore before I reached the ground floor.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Dewit (Dewit) on Wednesday, December 10, 2003 - 11:13 am: Edit Post

"And Phil stands out there with his arms outstretched solliciting cheers after each set like "Aren't we amazing?"

No, Phil, you guys were not.

So, after the bogusest of encores, I booed & gave them 2 thumbs down.
For a LOOOONG time.
Even while people were leaving & the lights were on, I stood there with 'Two Thumbs Down'.
Just to let him know not everyone is a trained seal who doesn't know great from OK."

A few years back, during the Further years, a show got moved to Forest Hills Tennis Stadium. A couple of acts, including the Black Crowes. To this day I vision Chris Robinson booing the remaining Dead members on stage. It was disgraceful. He is back with a band that is damn good, with some good tunes. I can move on, for sure, but forgive ANYONE for booing an artist for their work? My God! That to me is the ultimate rudeness, the ultimate void.

Do you boo a five year old because his painting is of a forest, yet resembles piles of green and brown mess? No, because if representation.

Bucky, your "ulti" show in Philadelphia was the biggest snoozefest of my tour, and all I have done is listen to it. Fred and I received a call that evening that suggested that staying at our hotel was the most prudent thing to do. I received a call that evening, late, from a very very enlightened Zoner (the good, great, bad and ugly) and was told, great show, Bucky is going to love it, but the reality is "it was sorta a snoozefest".

Friday at the Beacon was wonderful for me. We got there late, not for traffic, but for prudency again, and walked in on song four. The second set was a marvel for me, and if my scream of utter surprise, shock and gratefulness wasn't heard above on the opening notes of SOTM, I am surprised. I actually got to hear the "honey" song, with Fred. Wonderful. A song I would love to hear Mule diddle with, because Mr. Haynes can sing and turn mush into anthems (this isn't mush, obviously). I loved this show. I loved that my Southern love not only, never once complained of cold, snow, slush, crowds, etc., but came out in that blizzard at all, and he came out so I could smoke a butt.

I hear that people thought we were rude, etc. for "ignoring" them or blowing them off on Thursday. We were rushing like hell to get back home for early work calls the next morning. I apologize.

Back to Friday...amazing how many made it to the show, because the 8 inches on Route 80 East was no joke. The city had been very proactive in clearing snow out. All this contributed to a wonderful vibe for me. The show was a blast, was sincere, was full of love, and hell...

I have been referring to the tee's being sold at the other venues with the "got to keep movin'" and we get the breakout the last evening. This tune needs to evolve, but hell, it was the only sign I saw that this band might conceivably come back out again.

Phil and Friends has been a passion for me since the Pevar tour in '00. I have been insane and stupid getting myself to shows since then. I have loved so much of this crazy bus ride, until Red Rocks, when the writing was on the wall. The writing is still on the wall, but I believe there is a memo up there that says "when and if we can afford to tour". This band doesn't make a dime, and yet, they play. Yet they came out again, for us, not for them. I am grateful to attend shows where the "leader" applauds his bandmates. Bucky, wake up...Phil has been doing that since way back when. Perhaps not with the vigor seen at the Beacon, but he has always done it...notably, to me, Hershey with Derek and Willie...that whole show.

I had the insane honor of meeting a man a few years back in Colorado. He said it best. "We have no idea how long this thing will go on." Thanks Mr. Molo, because thems be the fighting words.

Midnight Train's lyrics don't hit homeruns for me, but the music blows me away. I love Again and Again...oops. Missed them.

But, the second set :-). Ooh, the second set was like a plethora of treats from Dylan's Candy Bar. Size doesn't matter.

The Dark Star was my personal favorite rendition, and Friday's performance lit me up. The fast and furious Viola was wonderbar. (Did it occur to you all timekeepers that perhaps the late start to accomodate traffic and snow, or the very quick finish to accomodate traffic and snow was merely a consideration? Apparently not.)

I love this band, but not at all costs. Dark Star is my bathroom tune, but I am grateful that I can still pay attention to it. Not just shut it off with my permeated opinion. Bucky, isn't it about time you stopped wasting your hard earned cash and verbal assaults on people, and just hibernated a bit, to find the real meaning of music, and how it can enhance your life? Attacking people like TRob (who is perhaps responsible for a good portion of your collection, and anyone else above, and being so RUDE as to BOO out loud a man and a band who are basically out there to entertain is pathetic. It is sad. Really, really sad.

Huck, LT, Skins, a few others, thank you for filling me in on the "feel" for the tunes I missed, that evening, and for sharing the light on a tour that began way back when. And SFA, thank you for being the best tour bud ever.

Music is a talent, and a creativity, and a moment in real life that can be duplicated, but not relived. To those that "get it" thanks for sharing and allowing me to "get more".

BTW, Jerry and Woody, for that matter, are dead. "Get over it" seems to be more of a statement that if you need them, and not the various incarnations of Mule or td or P&F, then listen to the tapes, and stop ripping to shreds the talents out there performing the tunes. I am guilty of really despizing Mickey, and hopefully I will grow out of it, and of saying that Ratdog really bores me. I honestly feel that Molo is the best drummer for this music, and I don't have a lot of patience for the other dudes, but that is my opinion. I don't have to go to shows, and from now on, I make, to myself, the commitment to attend with the right mindset.

For all those good vibes regarding td and Ratdog that I negatively affected, I apologize to you all. I am sorry for that. Not being a trained seal, I spoke my mind. After reading Bucky's and some others opinions regarding the LAST tour, I now chose to very carefully write or speak my words. Just because my favorite color is blue, doesn't mean that your's, green, is subpar.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Andrew Goodman (Ag1) on Wednesday, December 10, 2003 - 11:48 am: Edit Post

>>Andrew --Allen Woody Died in 2000 the song was recorded in 2002. When did Warren write or play this before TABA?????

FWIW Woody died in August 2000. Warren played this song solo on 5-11-00, 6-25-00 & probably a few other times.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Al White (Alwhite) on Wednesday, December 10, 2003 - 12:12 pm: Edit Post

"Bucky, your "ulti" show in Philadelphia was the biggest snoozefest of my tourĒ

Wow Dewit,
Fridayís show turned you on and Sundayís Tower show didnít? I find that hard to believe, but itís just another example how we all have our own judgments and realities and none of this should be taken too seriously.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Rob (Waitomo) on Wednesday, December 10, 2003 - 01:08 pm: Edit Post

Thanks, Dewit.

That's pretty much what I meant when I wrote "Jerry is dead. Get over it."

It's absolutely a statement about some of the uncalled for negativity populating this board.

That said, I don't mind people being critical. I mind it when they try and speak for everyone as if they are the ultimate authority.

That's what's so damn annoying.



Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By LessThan (Lessthan) on Wednesday, December 10, 2003 - 01:22 pm: Edit Post

>>>>Wow Dewit,
>>>>Fridayís show turned you on and Sundayís Tower show didnít?
>>>>I find that hard to believe, but itís just another example
>>>>how we all have our own judgments and realities and none of this should be taken too seriously.

same here. I thought Sat was the show from the tower.

For me Friday at the Beacon was sooooo great becuase it wasn't rushed, wasn't frenzied, it wasn't trying to prove anything. it was like hanging out with the band, not expecting anything but good company.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By kenny kars (Spanish_jam) on Wednesday, December 10, 2003 - 02:07 pm: Edit Post

LessThan......I think that comment has some merrit for most of the first set but from Scarlet onwards the tempo IMHO changed dramatically for the most part. The Fire because of its rushed pace reminded me of a "quick exit strategy" the Dead did so many a time which, although hot, left little room for improv at all. The Golden Road was way ahead of itself and did not provide oppurtunity for a serious jam and the Viola was a 6 minute race to the finnish line.

Having said that.....what some may consider to be "not rushed" others may consider to be Uninspired, lacking or just plain weak. IMHO Wharf Rat, Loose Lucy, and Standing on the moon, because of there pace did this show no favors where as the Again and Again, Midnite Train, and All That We Are were a pleasure. Food for thought dude!!!

And by the way I thought I read some of your comments about the Warfield shows. How would you compare that run to the Beacon?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Richie Nagan (Negman) on Wednesday, December 10, 2003 - 02:18 pm: Edit Post

>>I can move on, for sure, but forgive ANYONE for booing an artist for their work? My God! That to me is the ultimate rudeness, the ultimate void.

Thank you, Dew. To boo any artist, no matter how much you dislike their work, is the just unthinkable for me. To paraphrase what Phil said at the Meet and Greet the day before NYE 2000/2001, all music is valid because someone, if only teh people playing it, enjoys it. It was great to finally get to meet you, and a bunch of other Zoners, on this tour. Hopefully we will meet again on Spring PLQ tour and I will get to meet everyone else.

Peace love & joy

Richie


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By midyswel (Mightyswell) on Wednesday, December 10, 2003 - 02:44 pm: Edit Post

don't y'all get it?

in best Churchlady voice: "some folks are just a LITTLE bit special.."


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By kenny kars (Spanish_jam) on Wednesday, December 10, 2003 - 03:21 pm: Edit Post

Richie.....Am I corect in saying you too were at the Warfield run....I remember you had posted about feeling ill or something. What run was better the Beacon or the Warfield in your opinion and why? And which was your favorite show of both venues?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By brick (Gmack) on Wednesday, December 10, 2003 - 05:01 pm: Edit Post

settle down, Coach, and take that shit to a room.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Richie Nagan (Negman) on Wednesday, December 10, 2003 - 05:02 pm: Edit Post

Yes, I was at the Warfield too. Both runs were great and I really cannot compare the two. The Warfield was San Francisco and the first PLQ shows after over ayear. The Beacon is home. It's also hard to say which show was better of a run. They are all different and have different personalities. It's like asking which child is your favorite.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By kenny kars (Spanish_jam) on Wednesday, December 10, 2003 - 05:38 pm: Edit Post

OK Richie.....I can appreciate that...well sort of. Was hoping you would have been as impressed with 9/25 as I was. I thought that was very special.

Take care neighbor and Adios Amigo


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Richie Nagan (Negman) on Wednesday, December 10, 2003 - 05:51 pm: Edit Post

I was very impressed with 9/25. The problem with that show is I took too much pain killer and listened to the second half of the second set from the lobby.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Dewit (Dewit) on Wednesday, December 10, 2003 - 06:31 pm: Edit Post

>>>>>>>Wow Dewit,
>>>>Fridayís show turned you on and Sundayís Tower show didnít?
>>>>I find that hard to believe, but itís just another example
>>>>how we all have our own judgments and realities and none of this should be taken too seriously.

same here. I thought Sat was the show from the tower.

For me Friday at the Beacon was sooooo great becuase it wasn't rushed, wasn't frenzied, it wasn't trying to prove anything.


Al, I knew I had forgotten to address someone. You may have called, but I never got the call. Are yo9u still using the mistaken number from last time, and if you sent me an email from work, there is a very good chance I didn't get it. My virus controls are on ultra ultra high after the virus from before Philly. Sorry, at any rate.

how we all have our own judgments and realities and none of this should be taken too seriously.-----

I have to take issue with part of that, and disagree with the balance of it.

I don't think judgements apply to taste or musical appreciation. Matter of my opinion, that is what Bucky does. Judges lists, sounds, songs...that isn't what I was taught music or any of the arts was about.

Music on the other hand, this music, should be taken very seriously. Music for many is food for the soul, the brain, life. Art, rather painting was that for me, skiing was that for me, and music enhanced it. I haven't painted in far too long, and skiing at the level I did is no longer viable due to an accident. Music is very serious for me. Sounds, rhythms, dance all bringing joy to so many at once...that is serious to me.

Anyway, Al, sorry I missed you. Richie, very glad we finally met up. It has been a long, long time.

LT, I hadn't thought about the pace, only that I thoroughly enjoyed myself, Fred, dancing, smiling, hanging with the Rev and Hal, and sharing that NY vibe thang going on. I love the commraderie that evolves in the city when "things happen", like lots of snow.







Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By LessThan (Lessthan) on Wednesday, December 10, 2003 - 06:56 pm: Edit Post

>>>Food for thought dude!!!

Well I am only stating my subjective opinion and know that to each is his own.

When speaking of pace I really mean that I didn't feel like the show was trying to be some blockbuster monumental show but instead letting the pace set itself.

I would have to say that SF was much more fun filled because I was on vacation while in NYC I had to work during the day. Which of course has nothing to do with the music. To overstate things...the Warfield was dress rehearsal for the tour. I loved the shows but the band picked up speed in every city if you ask me.

I really think Sat Philly was penultimate PLF. Smoking playing with flawless transitions. But that just means I was vibrating at the same frequency that night. Nothing more.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By BassGreat (Leshphilling) on Wednesday, December 10, 2003 - 09:51 pm: Edit Post

" I apologize to you all. I am sorry for that.... Just because my favorite color is blue, doesn't mean that your's, green, is subpar. "

very classy, Dewit


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Bill H. (Knowuser) on Wednesday, December 10, 2003 - 10:01 pm: Edit Post

>>>vibrating at the same frequency<<<

excellent analogy... I think that's what the music is about.... every night we come together (the band and us) hopein' it'll happen. Sometimes it all comes together. That's why we all go... for those moments. There's no recipe for it. It can't be predicted or repeated. It has nothing to do with the setlist or the venue. It has everything to do with the spirit of the moment. Live music is a moment in time that will never happen again. Sometimes the moment is electric, and when it's right, we all know its bigger than all of us. That's the foundation of this music. Yes, all that cosmic crap, that's really what its about. Ask Phil, he'll tell yea.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Hail Skins (Lastleaffallen) on Thursday, December 11, 2003 - 12:27 am: Edit Post

>>The writing is still on the wall, but I believe there is a memo up there that says "when and if we can afford to tour". This band doesn't make a dime, and yet, they play. Yet they came out again, for us, not for them. I am grateful to attend shows where the "leader" applauds his bandmates.

well said Dew








Although I disagree with Bucky's take on the show(he seems to be a "technician" while I choose to focus on the spriritual flow)I don't have a problem with what he said..his mistake was disrespecting Phil. I read about his hardships, I guess it's pretty hard to get in touch with your spiritual side when you've got as beat of a deal as he seems to be going through at the moment. Even though the thought of booing Phil makes me see red..I find myself hoping that the dude catches a few breaks and maybe windup being a happier person from the inside out.







Man I hope Phil knows how much we love him

I'm sure he does..it just is..it's an "ism"


already starting to miss The Q in a bad way..in a way I started missing them BEFORE the show on Friday

if any of you guys are reading this I can't thank you enough


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Fred Adams (Thegame) on Thursday, December 11, 2003 - 10:41 am: Edit Post

"Man I hope Phil knows how much we love him"

I'd be very suprised if Phil was not fully aware. If he was not before, I would sure be intereseted to hear what he thinks now. After the last Beacon show, Phil was handed the new An Honest Tune magazine, featuring Phil on the cover. If he took the time to read the lengthy story, and the review of "The Return of the Q" shows at the Warfield, then he read several times that "many people consider this band to be the best ever."

I've gotten some grief from a few friends outside of the Zonef for making such a bold statement about the Q, but come on, we all know it's true. Best as I can tell, Phil has a pretty darn good idea, too. Now, how about some shows in the South, so we all don't have to listen to Buddy wine about going back to New Yoek (he may not believe it, but he will be back - LOL).


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By midyswel (Mightyswell) on Thursday, December 11, 2003 - 11:11 am: Edit Post

Fred,

any chance at an online link to the article?

cover looks great btw..


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Fred Adams (Thegame) on Thursday, December 11, 2003 - 01:06 pm: Edit Post

NO, the article is not up online. They only put some of the content on the web page in an attempt to increase magazine sales.

The cover, I had nothing to do with that, other than harassing Schnee until she sent some pictures in :-)

If you want some help finding somewhere nearby to purchase a copy, e-mail me and tell me what city you live in. I now have the magazine distribution list and would be glad to help anyone out there find a copy.

Also, a radio DJ here in Atlanta is getting ready to start a new web site, thedunhams.com, just after the first of the year. Their site will feature the first ever look at an entire interview that I did with Jimmy Herring back in Sept. 2002. The interview made for a great story in the next issue of AHT, but, given the space limitations of a printed magazine, I was not able to use everything. There are some real gems to be found throughtout the interview.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Al White (Alwhite) on Thursday, December 11, 2003 - 02:52 pm: Edit Post

Dewit,
What I wanted to communicate was not to take another personís judgment of the music too seriously because it just that, their own judgment. Iím guessing the majority of people at the show judged this particular show as sub par compared to other shows on this tourÖ..and you didnít. There isnít a right or wrong here, just opinions. To clarify my use of the word judgment, I find a good general way to communicate so others understand is to classify everything into 3 groups: data, judgments and feelings. i.e setlist is data, reviews or should I say the story a person tells themselves about the quality of the show falls under judgments and feelings can be joy, sadness, fear, anger and shame. Iím guessing you make judgments around the quality of a particular show around how it made you feel. What always comes into play is the baggage of a lifetime of judgments and feelings we all bring to the show plus our own particular experience at the show that serve to create our own reality. This review board is all about sharing our own particular reality.....no more no lessÖÖand if Buckyís reality hated this show and yours loved it, I accept both as truth. Itís the disagreements over who has the better truth that I canít take seriously

Looking forward to perhaps running into you at the next PLQ show.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Dewit (Dewit) on Thursday, December 11, 2003 - 03:35 pm: Edit Post

1. Sound Quallity
2. Separtion
3. Execution
4. Smiles on the audiences' faces
5. Spiritual invigoration and cleanse percentage


Or, fun factor.....sometimes a shitty musical thang can be fun as hell. My least favorite Phil show was one of the best times I ever had with my sister...by the end of it I felt like I had eaten a thousand mushrooms.....

Friday, I just really enjoyed the Vibe, I loved the pace, the tunes, the Blizzard thing...

Skahdi, first night was the night we (scratch that, the Rev) kept bothering you with that glass object. The following evening, you were on an aisle on the floor, and two rows back I was in the row with the nine empty seats...the smile on your face was HUGE and bright and wonderous. Made my night for sure.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By LessThan (Lessthan) on Thursday, December 11, 2003 - 04:29 pm: Edit Post

very well said Al.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By mikepace (Mpace) on Thursday, December 11, 2003 - 11:16 pm: Edit Post

>>>>>>When speaking of pace I really mean that I didn't feel like the show was trying to be some blockbuster monumental show but instead letting the pace set itself.

HUH?!?!? :-)

>>>>>>I want the same thing from the Philzone as I want from going to shows. A place to saturate myself with the good vibes associated with the community that surrounds the band PHIL LESH and FRIENDS and THE DEAD. When bad vibes invade that space, like the inevitably will, I can deal with it.

That folks.... is what its all about.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By LessThan (Lessthan) on Friday, December 12, 2003 - 03:47 am: Edit Post

>>>>HUH?!?!?

when you see a show does it pull you or do you push it?