anyone famailar with the venue?
large parking lot?

will it be a traffic nightmare

thanks in advance

Plenty of parking on grass lots, its a good scene but don't venture away from the venue or you will run into trouble- probably one of the most dangerous neighborhoods in the country. The traffic shouldn't be bad as the Mann is far away from center city Philadelphia.

Hope its not too far from center city. I was planning on cabbing it there from my hotel on chestnut, maybe take the loop bus back. Google maps showed its about 4 miles or so away.

thanks alot

no worries i work all over brooklyn ny
i am used to the sketchy hoods

long 2 days ahead

see you there

Parking and gates for most of our performances open hour and a half to two hours prior to curtain time. For Furthur on July 10th, parking lots open at noon and for July 11th, parking lots open at 1pm. The Mann Center encourages patrons to arrive early to avoid any delays. Parking is $15 per vehicle and $30 for RVs, campers, and buses. Dropping someone off before you park? Just drive to the PECO Plaza main gates to our drop off location. Our friendly staff will then direct you to parking.

which route is the the quickest from nyc to the Mann?

I95
NJ Turnpike
US 1

Turnpike is pretty good as long as traffic keeps moving-weekends are bad for long back-ups.Once you get to Philly ,I'd take 95 to 676 west,get off at 23rd St.You can on go right.Go down 23rd St.to Girard Ave.Bang a left to 40th St.Slight right onto Parkside Ave.Parking will be ahead of you.$20 with tip should get you from Center City to venue.Lot is pretty big,but people getting there later will be parking down the drive-up lanes,which can be a few blocks from the Mann.C U dare.

Got Miracled to both Philly shows.... box seats!!!!!!!
Got shut out of the VT show....my wife posted a letter in Facebook about how crappy the situation was....a friend of ours saw it...turns out that she works for the Mann Center and got us free tix....life is good!

"no worries i work all over brooklyn ny" The earlier post was good advice, I have been to both neighborhoods and I feel safer in Brooklyn.
I think they let you bring bottled water in so look into that.

anyone have the 2nd set from last night?

can't find it!

looking for an Althea tonight

orch a row d tonight see you guys there

Brooklyn is like Beverly Hills compared to West Philly.

Five blocks from the Mann and you're in the "death zone."

CANNOT F'N WAIT!!!!!!!!!!!!!

ready to roll! in NJ now, rollin' out a bit later. Mail order tix up in the front per my bud, woohoo! hope we're right in front of Phil!
Will post review sometime tomorrow........

any predcitions ??

1st Philly shows for this band. You can count on Morning Dew one of the 2 nights. Regardless, these shows will be great.

that would be nice Fitz. you gonna be there? I'll scout you out, LOL.
along with a Dew, luv to hear a Terrapin, & somethig sweet of Brents. Encore - black muddy river !

Any of you other characters gonna be there?

I will be there! Ready to go pretty soon here, heading down from central PA. This will be my 5th time seeing Furthur and i'm stoked for this show!

Cold rain and Snow opener

anyone willing to buy me an official poster in Philly? I take care of shipping and extra $$$ for you. Mailing to California?
Please for a native Philly guy!!!

Thanks:
Email Cush at
M.Cushner@verizon.net

Great show ahead..comming from NY I am taking NJ Tpk to exit 4 for rte 73 o ben franklins bridge then the 676 to 76 west to Girard street then right to Parkside ave for the man. GPS wants to take the betsy ross bridge but that is too far out fo the way. Take BF Bridge to vine street expressway through town...it follows the river to west philly. Heed all warnings...BAD HOOD and I live in Midtown and lived in SF and south Berkeley...Philly is no place to get lost and ask for directions....Shakedown is a lock.

Calling the following for tonight. Hlp slip Franklins, St Stephen, Shakedown, China rider stranger dancin cold rain Dew...these are locks...not in this order though...

Did they really open with Franklins last night?..here is what looks to be set two from yesterday

Scarlet Begonias>
Fire On The Mountain
Colors Of The Rain
Terrapin Station
Goin' Down The Road Feeling Band
Sugar Magnolia

Ripple

>>>most dangerous neighborhoods in the country, >>>"death zone."

pleeeeeease, let's not be so dramatic. the Mann is in fairmount park, the most dangerous hoods are on the other side of the SchuylKILL river. Much better than being in Camden or at that shit slab at festival pier

http://spotcrime.com/pa/philadelphia

the only threat tonight is rain, and bob's lyrical flubs

Just checked into hotel. Can anyone at the lot tell me if it's raining there?

Not at the momment its not. the sun is out right now.

Thanks. Heading out.

Bobby flubbing the lyrics is a time honored Dead tradition. It wouldn't be a real show unless it happens at least once!

That's right Capt'n'Kurt!

Shakedown st. rockin'

hello to ALL..............long time hlpfrnk, how are you

ready to roll!

Joe! What's up my man? Doing well! You?

last night's final list (from furthur.net live cd listing):


Furthur (Bob Weir, Phil Lesh, Jeff Chimenti,
John Kadlecik, Joe Russo
with Sunshine Garcia Becker and Jeff Pehrson):
After Midnight ->
Estimated Prophet ->
Just A little Light
Tennessee Jed
It Must Have Been the Roses ->
Looks Like Rain Rain
Brown-Eyed Women
Big Railroad Blues

Uncle John's Band
Celebration ->
Sugar Magnolia ->
So Many Roads
Colors Of The Rain ->
Terrapin Station
Scarlet Begonias ->
Fire On The Mountain
Attics Of My Life
Sunshine Daydream

Donor Rap
Cumberland Blues
Ripple

Wish I was there! I grew up at the Mann, the balcony is the place to be, and the lot scene is great just beware about what you buy for your head (it is Philly and they see Deadheads coming a mile away). Cold Rain & Snow for sure!

From the setlist I Think
Golden road
Here come sunshine
Cassady

Mann Music Center, Philadelphia, PA 7/10/10 Set 1:

doing great hlpfrnk, just wish i was on tour, friends there though. looking forward to a good setlist my friend.

unless the above setlist is correct..

i am standing by a prediction of
a SHAKEDOWN opener...in a nod to broad street

Thanks Taperrob - nice to see some current pics! Wish I was there but alas must wait for west coast dates...

from chat:

5:14 PM [taperrob] show has not started yet. ETA start time is now 8:30pm. this is due to the equipment truck being in an accident eariler this morning. it only arrived at the venue around 4pm or so.

So are they still coming on late?

Bobby wearing famous yoga pantalones again!

saw the Rochester and Brooklyn shows.They get better every one!And just lay back and enjoy.And if you hear anyone calling John fake Jerry tell them what an asshole they are!!!The energy is there and so is the talent.That's why Phil & Bobby are have such fun.Live with it

Mann Music Center, Philadelphia, PA 7/10/10 Set 1: Golden Road

here we gho

anything up yet?

Mann Music Center, Philadelphia, PA 7/10/10 Set 1: Golden Road> Here Comes Sunshine

greetings friends: does anyone know if this is being streamed or any of the future furthers streamed. thanks folks.

yes again kind friends a dream for a stream tonight?

Is Taperob streaming, If so could I please get the password.

Dear Mr Fantasy

Peace All - Hope everyone there is enjoying the show !! - Saw Rochester, Columbus and the fiasco at Gelston Castle which turned into a "forced" sobriety checkpoint on the way back to I-90. and then Buffalo. Back in Ohio after some great shows and hope you all get to see them somewhere!

Corrina

They sure are repeating alot of songs this tour...Dear Mr Fantasy again WTF

Set one


golden road >
HCS,
Jack Straw >
Muli Guli >
fantasy >
corrina,
satisfaction >
viola

Mann Music Center
Philadelphia, PA 7/10/10

Phil apologizes for late start; explains that the equipment truck went off the road this morning.. cheers to the crew for setting up in about 3 hours


Set 1:
Golden Road>
Here Comes Sunshine
Jack Straw>
Muli Guli>
Dear Mr Fantasy...
Corrina
Satisfaction>
Viola Lee Blues

Viola Lee Blues again...The good news is that they play Dark Star every Saturday

yo
http://radar.weather.gov/radar.php?product=N0R&rid =mkx&loop=yes

http://www.ustream.tv/recorded/8200938

looks rainy in beaver dam

thanks for the stream link mike....

nice 1st set any stream?? would love to hear it from france;) peace, Have fun,, I just got my mom(82 years old) tix for the "vibes,,boy I sure need a "show!!

http://www.ustream.tv/recorded/8200938

hey mike

Rob Rocks!

thanks mike!, and of course taper rob!

thanks for the stream guys

Taper Rob has more computer, taping and streaming knowlege in one of his fingernails than I will ever have.
God bless you Rob you are the fuckin man!

Taper rob IS the man!

Hey Joe wsup?

thank you, Rob and all of you posters. This is the best Further msg board. Great fun, great folk! great spirit!

Taperrob what kind of camera do you use? You get such great resolution from the sbd.

things are good mike

glad to hear it. Seen any shows yet?

>>You get such great resolution from the sbd.


my pictures are taken from the taper section; tonight up in the lawn outside of the shed,

not yet, i am hopin that they announce a show in va before they go west

Thanks again Taper Rob!!
It sounds great...

Althea

Thanks taperrob

Set 2:

Playin' In The Band...
Althea
Cassidy
China Cat Sunflower >
I Know You Rider

whats pw

it's like PUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU...........^^^^^^

that is one strange looking venue with that canopy and little space between it and the crowd.
it seems like it would be watching Furthur on a widescreen tv.

Eyes of the World

buddy said great venue he there from v. beach

is that hand sanitizer behind Phil ?






thanks for the pics, updates and stream trob !

Thank you TaperRob - I just got home to find this and you have single-handedly 'made my late night immensly gratifying!!!!'

YES!!!! Excellent stuff! Is there as stream for the second set? Peace & Love.....

Mann Music Center
Philadelphia, PA 7/10/10

Phil apologizes for late start; explains that the equipment truck went off the road this morning.. cheers to the crew for setting up in about 3 hours


Set 1:
Golden Road>
Here Comes Sunshine
Jack Straw>
Muli Guli>
Dear Mr Fantasy...
Corrina
Satisfaction>
Viola Lee Blues

Set 2:
Playin' In The Band
Althea
Cassidy
China Cat Sunflower>
I Know You Rider
Eyes Of The World>
Space>
Days Between>
Help On The Way>
Slipknot!>
Franklin's Tower

Donor Rap

encore:
One More Saturday Night

www.ustream.com/channel/taperrob

both sets

Thanks T-Rob! Awesome!!!!

dew tomorrow!
rain on me!

check out this dark star from the MAN!
http://www.ustream.tv/recorded/6635481

i meant stephen

wasted

Great show with hot steamy humid Philly night in the hood!
Teased dancin in slipknot and thought we might get a Dew. Slip was a slinky jam and playin went off as well. Big roar at end if chinarider. Long show totally wiped great venue with hands off staff. Hot show!!

God was Days Between a set killer. Just a humongous turd laid right in the middle of the set. My last show was the first night in Brooklyn, and the differences were stark: Brooklyn was everything that I love about Furthur - Mellow crowd, smaller venue, less people, more space to sit if you wanted or dance if that was your thing. And Philly was everything I hated about the Dead in their later years - Basically just a bunch of wasted people stumbling around not paying much attention to the music. Maybe I was just in a foul mood over seeing so many songs played again from my last show, but I never liked the grossly overplayed post 92 GD material: Liberty, Corinna, Days Between etc., so I got no joy out of hearing them. I was psyched about my first Viola Lee, but it never seemed to really take off.

The crowd really was digging Althea tonight though.

Sounds like someone needs to get a good night of sleep and regroup tomorrow. What did you expect? Philly is a crazy party town lol
Tomorrow will be more mellow and focused.

I am calling Blues for Allah> Unbroken Chain to open the second set and Deal to open the show, see ya there later today

PITB sounds way better than the one played in Lowell, Bob has a nice tone and is grooving with John.

Josh-

no way Mann Center is bigger then the Brooklyn show crowd wise. you crazy?! there was at least 10K at MCU. 8,000 in the bowl alone.

I thought the band was horrible tonite. So did everyone I was with. Security in the venue was virtually non-existent and the aisles were packed to the point where it was hard to get around.

First half of Golden Road smoked, as did the second half of Jack Straw. Rest of the first set was flat.

Second set started out with a tired Playin, and went downhill from there.

This was my second Furthur show. The first was in Atlantic City. I thought that show sucked too, but I blamed it on the bad vibe at a crappy venue.

I hope someone else agrees with me about tonite, or I'm not going back tomorrow.

Sorry to be so negative, but that's how I see it.

only listened to first set via stream.. (thanks TROB!) and I agree, it sounded pretty tame. That Viola didn't do much for me either. Give them another chance tomorrow.

I was at a totally different show than Mr. Steve. I thought it was a generous and tremendous effort on the part of the guys in the band. They were out on a limb working hard. Did it always payoff? Maybe not, but this was real music and most of it smoked. Even songs I don't like all that much like Corina were played really well. In a weird way, with rare exception did I find that what song they were playing even mattered at some point, because no matter the song they blew it open and took it higher. The level of energy and improvisational skill on display was stunning to me. Jack Straw, China Rider and HSF all really stood out for me. Philadelphia, Saturday night in the park in July with these guys and a bunch of great friends. That's my kinda party. These guys are the real deal. If you don't enjoy it I'm sorry for you, but I really believe its your loss. Something old is new again. Believe it.

so why is he the MAN, JK is way better then him!

I found them to be a very worthy soundtrack to my inner and outer excursions. strong medicine at times but working symbiotically at others.Its all coming together. Please take a number your next. The band will see you now.more or less.

this was a smokin' show, from my seat. No complaints about how anything was played; I thought it was very tight and rockin' throughout. Highlights: Jack, Fantasy,Viola in first set. Second set: just about the whole thing (but Days is about twice as long as necessary), but especially the 20+ minute and complete Playing, and the ChinaRider. Help>Frank cooked too. Killer sound from the pit area!

yes or no to the appearance of space aliens Im not unconvinced i Didn't see these real monkey god astrotrickstersthey wer trying to move into the next phase of being

hack the zone with poetry

those guys played about as hard as they could to push this great music in our faces til they melt. I was close up 2nd row , there was no holding back. Almost Nobody loves every song, but most of us dislike a couple for sure, ....Great show , Thanks to the band & crew for bringing it home to us,,,3 shows in 2 weeks that icould sleep in my own home....listen to last weeks SHERMAN 2ND SET IF YOU want to hear how far these guys/girl can go....Get some rest and do it again boys.

Hopefully no casualties in the truck running off the road and getting stuck in the mud....
14 shows in 16 days! It's a miracle that the show even happened. Expect a grand finale for Sunday, yes they'll do a dew.

Text I got late last nite from a good friend at show who saw both nites MCU, Penns Peak and Sherman..."you picked a good one to miss". I think that even on an off nite, this band can still be enjoyable to many.

Drivin' down from NYC for tonight's show--hope they end the tour in style!

Sam L.

What a setlist, hope for a good night tonight, predicting sixties style setlist

Wow, complaining about people dancing in the aisles with no security and everyone wasted? It sounds like it was one hell of a party last night, especially with such a great 2nd set! I imagine people welcomed Days Between just as I welcomed So Many Roads in Lowell- it's a chance to slow down and sit. If people want cranked up energy all show long, that's not how the Dead carried me through some hairy nights in the past. There's an ebb and flow, and Playin' this tour has been WAY out there. Yes, you have to be inside at the Mann or sound will suffer. Heck, it probably wasn't hard to sneak inside last night. Tonight will be EPIC with a day's rest in one of their favorite cities!

Absolutely phenomenal, words can't describe how great this performance was, VERY psychedelic all night long, especially the second set. Details later. Yes, security was non existent, but back in section B on the right side there was plenty of room for everybody and people were fantastic, no crowding or pushing or anything negative. It did look crowded down front and I was glad I wasn't there. My brother and I knew there would be people complaining about this show but from where were were it was all fantastic, more then I would have hoped for.

"Second set started out with a tired Playin, and went downhill from there."'

You and I were in two different worlds my friend.

was there a shakedown? heading down today, but not sure if i should spend time in the city or go to lot...any idea?

Yellowsky...
"...predicting sixties style setlist"...

Ask and you shall receive

XXXOOO

There was a crazy scene on the concourse, gas EVERYWHERE at one point, you couldn't hear yourself think because of the damm noise. Didn't like being there and got out fast.

This was a night for trippers and they delivered in spades.

I agree 1000% with Tom. There are many sides to every story, but Tom's is right.

And as a bonus I got to meet John before the show. I was scoping out where the bathrooms where over on the right side of the arena and when I came out of the mens' room he was standing there talking to someone (I think the backstage entrance is in that area as well). Walked up, shook his hand and said how much I liked his contributions. He said thanks, seems like a genuinely nice guy (and had a much deeper voice then I expected!)

ok bucky this notes for you.....first off i agree with may require a change bzl smuckley and tom....left nnj early didnt get herkimered....sun came out at about 3....complete and utter chaos great shakedown street on the road...beer food people freaking everywhere and everybody was nice ...no pushing no shoving and absolutely zero plice presence...didnt see 1 cop...everybody was happy bucky did you read everybody was happy and pumped....no hassle getting in no hassle getting wristbands for booze no hassles at bathroom basically 2 minute wait...phil had trouble with his bass they kept fucking with it for 20 mins teasing us...then they came on very late like 8:20...golden road and yes bucky 3x for me this tour but you enough what ? didnt bother me at all...good solid...then they cranked up the sound alittle bit..i was underneath about 30th row right center....here comes sunshine was great not good great...crowd totally into it...yes there were a lot of drunk -high -stoned-people..but everybody was standing...it was definately sold out by the strat ...i didnt see an empty seat and nobody was sitting..it wasnt very hot or humid....phil did make a short statement about a truck getting stuck or something to that effect....then jack straw...not the best but not bad either...bucky...jon definately could have been a little louder and more forthcoming on this one...then muli guli ...sounds like pride of cucomonga imo..but still not bad....then dear mr fantasy where jon finally took the damper off the volume pedal and imo nailed it with nice keys added by mr chimenti...then we had a good ..but very long corinna..it went on for 20 mins and when we thought they were done they went back into it...then a smokin satisfaction ..which bucky was great...then a good not great viola lee...i enjoyed it very much then break....bucky then we got the 15 miute playin which they actually went back into and ended...then a great althea....followed by a smoking cassidy....china cat was an 8 out of 10 not the best not the worst but good...eyes was great even with mr phil lesh singing...days between i actually liked..he sings it better than i thought...was it the song i wanted to hear? nooooo...but it was fine...everybody was waiting for st stephen which didnt come...beer and rum and cokes were still being served...then a great help> slip > franklins ...and again bucky..3rd time for me....so what ...my band plays it...i loved it....i dont care if they played every night...and of course a smoking 1 more sat night...they did the reprise part 4 x they didnt want to stop but obviously had to due to time...they played til 12:15....over all not the best show...but a very good solid performance ...one that im glad i plunked down my 39:50 for...we took a cab so no parking fees..shakedown outside was just the funnest craziest wakiest ive seen on the tour so far..anything and everything and everybody just being really nice...no dirtbags or cockroaches...nice friendlt people trying to do business with a smile...lots of people im guessing at least 10-12 thousand...inside no security whatsoever but wasnt needed cause everybody was just having such a good time...yes there were some trashed people but they were helped by some loyal friends...all in all just a really really really good time...not my favorite show not my worst but still bucky its not all about note for note...its about..good times with good friends and 10000 other people having a ball on a beautiful night in philly...couldnt ask for more...thats my review and im sticking with it...happy trails...wish i was going tonight but have to work...everybody have a great time tonight...what a blast...love philly....grateful bill

Great show for the most part - I even enjoyed Days Between Hope I can bring it like these guys when I'm 70 / 63.........
Tonight it's Pit Row AA!!

In the 30+ Furthus shows I've seen , I thought set II last night showcased this band playing about as god as the can. It was a thing of sheer beauty! The Days between was simply sublime. This is the first band to really get that song to gel.

Be looking for you Keith, I'll be 7th row off to the right.

tom...i met jon in ac o the casino floor and he was just a polite nice guy happy to be doing what hes doing knowing he has very big shoes to fill and imo he genuinely trys every night...he poses for pics...signs autographs and is appreciative of the opportunity hes been given even though some nights he propbaly after reading some of the horrible reviews that some people in this arena give him...its his job...i personally think hes under an enormous amount of pressure but i think he handles it very well

I thought the show was alot of fun even the Corrina, no issues with wasted people inside or out, arrived & exited the venue with ease, it really was a great time seeing as I haven't been to the Mann in 15 years. I guess it all depended on where you were. Front left orch, right dap smack in the middle, sound was on, sightlines perfect, really a wonderful evening ...

Well, I guess I'm going to head over tonite so I can prove myself wrong !!

Keith ,I gave my Pit AA seat 10 to my bud JB..he likes to sit up front >>



Thom ,I m a few rows behind you A right row M...
have a GRATE time everyone

uneven 1st set. solid second. lot's of jam!
fun night in PHILly.

Good choice Mr. steve!

im glad other people like me see it for what it is or worth...bucky i would hate to gout to dinner with you...because if anything goes wrong you would kill it...when i go out to dinner with friends its not just about the food...its about being with friends ..enjoying conversation..hopefully a few yuk yuks and hoepfully a somewhat enjoyable meal...you are the fucking gordon ramsey of further...never satisfied.........all i can say is if you dot enjoy the whole experience whether the music is 90% or 80% then do us all a favor and give your ticket to somebody who might have a better time than you...and to the person who said everyone around him was complaining...where were you sitting...everybody i was around and this goes for all 5 i went to love it..appreciate it for what it is...critiquing every goddam fucking note is for people who have nothing beter to do with their time.....i guess you have the perfect job...the perfect family...are in perfect health...have the most perfect wife and kids and home and lifestyle...becasue if not you must be miserable....are you a sports fan? does your team win every game and play perfectly every night?...to my knowledge the only team that was perfect was the 73 miami dolphins 17 and 0....theres nothing wrong with reviews but just because jon missed a chord or wasnt up to your standards..imo you are way expecting too much...and im going to keep on your ass til you respond......EVERYBODY GO TONIGHT WITH AN OPEN MIND AND PLEASE HAVE A GOOD TIME AND DONT LISTEN TO THESE PEOPLE THAT RIP WHAT BOB AND PHIL ARE DOING...THEY ARE DOING IT FOR US THE BEST THEY CAN...I SERIOUSLY DOUBT THEY NEED THE MONEY....BE KIND AND GOOD NATURED AND GET YOUR REWARD WHICH IS 7 PEOPLE TRYNG TO ENTERTAIN YOU FOR THE BEST THEY CAN FOR 4 HOURS AND 40 BUCKS....LOVED LAST NIGHT....SOME OF YOU PEOPLE WANT TO MAKE E PUKE...THE REST OF YOU ARE GREAT AND GET IT...ITS FUN AND IT IS FUN....ITS NOT LIFE OR DEATH...IMO ANYBODY WHO RIPS IT EVEN IF THEY ALL FALL DOWN ON STAGE DOESNT GET IT....DOESNT MAKE YOU A BAD PERSON...JUST MAKES ME THINK YOU HAVE NOTHING BETTER TO DO....MY GRANDMOTHER WHO IS STILL ALIVE AT 93 SAW FRANK SINATRA WHEN HE WAS 82 AND OBVIOUSLY ON THE DECLINE AND WHEN I ASKED HOW IT WAS ...AND I QUOTE ..IT WAS GREAT ...HE WAS GREAT HE ALWAYS WILL BE GREAT AND I HAD A BLAST....THATS A 93 YEAR OLD WOMAN TALKING...SOME PEOPLE NEED TO FIND SOMETHING BETTER TO DO WITH THEIR TIME THAN RIP A 70 YEAR OLD BASS PLAYER AND 62 YEAR OLD GUITAR PLAYER...I GUESS YOU WANT THEM TO RUN A MARATHON AFTER THE SHOW OR DO 50 PUSHUPS TO SATISFY YOUR NEVER ENDING NEED TO RIP THEM.....YES THEY FORGET WORDS OR CHORDS SOMETIMES...SO FUCKING WHAT..AND SOMETIMES THEY ARE TIRED...I DONT KNOW ABOUT YOU BUT I GET TIRED AND GRUMPY SOMETIMES AND DONT BRING MY A GAME TO WORK EVERYDAY...SOME OF YOU PEOPLE ARE DRIVING ME FUCKING CRAZY...THANK GOD ITS MUSIC AND NOT AL QAIDA...SORRY TO RANT..BUT I FELT THE NEED TO SHED MY OPINION..AND I DO LIKE AND RESPECT EVERYONES OPINION BUT I DONT HAVE TO AGREE WITH TI AND FOR THE HATERS I DONT AGREE WITH IT AT ALL....WOULD YOU RIP PHIL IF HE SAT ON A STOOL ...PLEASE..............EVERYBODY GET A LIFE...FAMILY AND HEALTH ARE WHATS IMPORTANT...WHETHER IT WAS CORNELL 77 OR A CLUNKER ISNT...HAVING GOOD TIMES WITH GOOD FRIENDS AND BEING CIVIL AND BEING A RESPONSIBLE HUMAN BEING TO EVERYBODY IS WHATS IMPORTANT...NOT EVERY GODDAM NOTE THAT SOME MA PLAYS OUT OF AN AMPLIFIER THAT DIDNT TURN OUT TO YOUR SATISFACTION....COME TO THINK OF IT...ALL YOU HATERS GOT YOUR WISH LAST NIGHT ...THEY PLAYED YOUR SONG...I CANT GET NO SATISFACTION....AND IT WAS GREAT...SOORY FOR THE RANT...GRATEFUL BILL

did bob sing days between? that is the definition of buzzkill - it tanked the 4th of july set2

YES BOB SANG DAYS BETWEEN....i liked it...better than i thought he could do it...i thought he did it to the best of his ability

Gratefulbill-
do you think that john k has more 'ability' on JG ballads than our bearded would-be ballader in the capri pants? I love this band but wish bw would just stop steppin on JG ballads in set2 - the decision on lead vox in that set2 slot is often a setmaker or breaker for me: JK's Dews, China doll or So Many roads are soooo good that my ears hunger to hear him on days between as well
-Doc

On the long ride home last night I was turning over in my mind what I might say to express how I felt about the evening, as well as the larger picture of where this evolution has come. I kept coming back to how this is actually a true band, rather just a fine collection of players that are fighting hard to maintain the flame.

To acknowledge what is being accomplished each night, I still need to start with what the individuals are doing up there and I might as well start with John. He does have the most challenging assignment, doesn't he?

One would think John is under a tremendous amount of pressure, but I agree he handles the hardest job in show business with amazing grace and to my ears and mind has achieved success. The guy is obviously flat out talented. How could he not be?

How many would give anything to be able to assimilate the style and have the ability to execute playing like someone who was unlike any other player that went before him (even if Jerry picked up influences and styles from a myriad of others, he still melded it all into a unique blend that had never before existed and was for many the single most captivating element of the GD). Yet, unlike with DSO, John is not emulating a style from a particular era (like playing a '72 Sugaree vs. an '85 version); he's playing it his way, every night. I submit he is forging his own path.

Sure John is making the music sound the way it was meant to be played; he understands it, better than anyone who has stood in his spot before him, but he carries it off with an amazing blend of skill, artistry, reverence, passion, respect, subtlety, nuance, and I could keep going and still run out of adjectives that would not adequately describe what he is accomplishing every single night.

So before some naysayer says it, "No, he's not Jerry". However, in FURTHUR, unlike DSO, he isn't trying to be. He's his own man up there and we're lucky to finally have someone complimenting Phil and Bob who is equal to the task and more than manages to make the music sound the way it was intended. No one else since 1995 was capable, even if they were all talented and all made for enjoyable evenings, but there was always something missing. Well, "the missing" is finally back.

Unlike Woz (30?, really??; OK, I'm jealous!), I've only seen 11 FUTHUR shows, and while some have been better than others, all have been professional and all show strides in this adventure becoming a legitimate "band". Everyone on that stage is making huge contributions.

I was never very keen on the importance or value of back-up singers, but Jeff and Sunshine are the reason the vocals on FURTHUR's more challenging songs sound so damn good. These 2 are hitting every high note and making it sweet. And they are animated and they are having the time of their lives up there while doing it. Just listen to them backing last night on IKYR or FT. Those songs sound terrific with them providing the vocal foundation; they are so much more than back-ups. Then you have Chimenti and Russo.

Chimenti is the only non-newcomer, but he has stepped-up to become a more essential element in FURTHUR. Without the second lead guitar that P&F often employed, Chimenti has become the other player to provide great lead explorations on these tunes. It seemed like he had at least a half dozen solos last night that were simply stunning. Try listening to last night's Jack Straw and not having your jaw drop and he does this every time he takes over a song.

Last, but by no means least, is Russo. I love this band with a single drummer and Russo has been a monster back there. I thought Molo was the most capable, but for a guy who didn't know much about this music, Russo has become my favorite drummer in making it all work. Is he a little flashy? Well shit yea! But Russo makes whatever he is doing all work and interesting. I have never heard this music have so many imaginative percussion elements thrown into it. And NO drum solos are needed for it to happen. It is almost as if he is soloing throughout. Russo throws such ingenious shit into every song and he is driving this band along with Phil to higher heights. Just when you think he can't rev it up more, somehow Russo does. Does everyone enjoy the tempos of the faster material? Thank you Joe Russo!

FWIW, on the show itself, I heard several repeaters last night, having seen 4 shows of this tour before last night. Here is how I know it is all working - I didn't care about the repeats. Many were a notch better than the prior versions I'd hear (e.g., Jack Straw and China/Rider - and there was nothing wrong with the versions I'd heard at Coney Island either). While the dreaded Corrina would never make my dream set-list, even that one was time well spent, because they played the hell out of it. And the Viola Lee was a short stand-alone, but also oh so tasty (again, Chimenti went ape). I found that second set last night interesting in that the songs were all jam-worthy tunes and yet most were played as single pieces (with plenty of jamming packed into them). And that SLIPKNOT! was unlike any version I'd heard before. Now that is saying something and proves this music can still be kept fresh. Can’t believe it has been 40 years on this ride and it is still a freight train; can't wait for round 2 in Philly. Who's with me?

Shout outs for hospitality and good conversations to Lites, Schnee, Fafa, and Jojo. Great seeing you all and meeting some for the first time. Ok, time to relax and recharge for tonight.

docta jones and i love that name sure i would have loved to see jon sing it but obviously bob pulled the power play and ZONE DEAF YOU ARE 10000000% ON THE MONEY THANK GOD THERE ARE PEOPLE WHO GET IT...ZONE DEAF FIRST BEER IS ON ME AT NOKIA

that my point- why are we still pulling rock star power plays in this band- let the music play the band, not egos..enjoy tonight you lucky coasters!!!! Look for an Allah>Dew ala 6/27 - JK will get that ballad slot tonight

Nice review Blackie!

Good stuff, man.

BTW ZONE DEAF is 100% right..Bobby chooses the wrong JG songs to sing, but that guy can find a keyboard player (he brought Brent into the GD too) Jeff is amazing, but could Phil and Bobby have gotten anyone better than Russo/JK/chimenti for this band? No, becuase there isn't anyonne better, and the backup singers really help it out too

Anyone who's read my comments knows I can be a crankypants. All I can say is that I thought the show was great. It had everything it should have had and really hit the spot. I even enjoyed my first Corrina in 15 years (which I hate and despise).

I was there with a newbie and I told him that, in the grand scheme of things, counting the peaks of great GD shows I've seen, this was an 8+. About as good as this band can get with it's aging crowd being unwilling or unable to get sucked into the psychadelic vortex.

The 2nd set had superb energy through and through. The full (contiguous) China>Rider in the middle of the set was such a treat with a great JK solo and lots and lots of interplay and energy. Chimenti has his own clear musical voice always ready to converse with the other musicians, sometimes at times when they don't seem to even be expecting it, which is great. No "supporting player" here. Just the way it should be.

The Days Between was lovely and an absolutely necessary relief from the previous energy. The HSF was absolutely fine. I, personally am rather sick of the combo, just as I am tired of the stand alone Know You Riders that Phil had been favoring as a set closer for some time. I get HSFs like Bucky gets Dark Stars I guess. But it was still realy, really solid. Was the energy as high as the first half of the set? No. But it had what you needed if you looked at it right.

For those who read my post in the Music section, I am happy to announce that Bobby didn't flub the opening lyrics to Playin' in the Band for the first time in recent memory that I am aware of:-). It was an excellent, completed rendition. There was only one section where they had a little disagreement in the jam and I was happy to see that too.

Frankly, with what I heard last night I am actually more concerned about them being able to rise to the occasion again tonight. Here's hoping.

The Mann is undr-bathroomed. Long lines for the boys pretty much whenever you went. Girls, not so much. I'm wondering if they converted some of the mens' facilities to womens' somewhere along the line.

For tonight, who's got my Philadelphia PA, Baltimore and DC now to open?

Wow! Had just a great, great time last night. A show filled with tight, concise versions. Complete Viola Lee, complete Playin', China>Rider played together. They totally nailed the guitar hook in the transition from China to Rider and just a rockin', rockin' Rider. Sorry, but calling Days a "turd" is just ignorant. Bobby did a fine job and Phil and Russo created a majestic, towering drive to what I've always thought is one of the very best late Garcia/Hunter compositions. Great, exciting ensemble playing throughout the show. 33 years on the bus for me and I couldn't POSSIBLY ask for more from what Phil and Bobby are putting out with Furthur. Can't wait for tonight. Peace.

Agree on DAYS BETWEEN. It was not a favorite of mine even when Jerry did it, but the song has developed and grown on me to the point that I can respect and enjoy the treatment it is getting now from Bob. BW puts a lot of emotion into the song and like I said, I respect how he's handling the tune. Just one thing though, when the hell is he going to break out some of his own MIA material? Lazy Lightning>Supplication where are you?

I have to somewhat disagree on what sounds like complaining that Bobby is taking too mnay JG tunes. I think he is still perhaps finding a balance between what he is retaining for himnelf and the ones John is singing. I think the balance is almost there and personally think most of the ones Bobby is doing he is doing justice to.

Some people here are so out of touch with the positives in life. The show was cooking and if you could not open your heart or mind to enjoy it then please stay home. I am so tired of wanna be deadheads and old farts partying at the show clogging the lot and buying tickets then complaining about a few songs...either you don't get it anymore or never did.

The lyrics to "the shoe fits' are for you my friends. What else do you want to do on a hot summer saturday night...go to the movies? sit at home? what else do you want in life?

The pavilion was hot and the sound was muffled but the scene was happening and fun was abundant.

PLayin was a great highlight and had a late 70's style jamfest...althea was well played and standard...cassidy was spacey as hell. China rider had the crowd on its feet and going sick, eyes had everyone swaying and help slip franks was pretty standard actually but one of my faves.

If you saw a friend of yours play in a band would you write on his wall that he sucked? That is why I hate people being negative. These guys are deserving more respect than people are giving them in these reviews. Having fun is your responsibility not the bands...I felt the show was a lot of fun and everyone was diggin it. If you did not enjoy it then I feel bad for you becuase life must really suck for you.

two most positive scrips of BW on Days Between last night, which I ASSUME had to be better than the 4th of July version: "fine" and "to the best of his ability." That is not good enough - 'One of the very best late G&H compsitions' DOES deserve better than that - it deserves John K on vocals!
Doc

People are entitled to their opinions, and have the right to give them here. If it was all sunshine and moonbeams I wouldn't put any stock in the opinion anyway. Doesn't make them haters, just makes them honest critics. If you go for the music, then you should comment on the music, and it doesn't matter if the scene is cool if the music isn't. I heard Phil say it in the old days, "this is a music scene, not a party scene" and if it's good enough for Phil, it's good enough for me. Plan to have fun and hope for the best, but always be honest, whether you loved it, hated it or somewhere in between. Enjoy!

Not sure what SLIPKNOT! you heard, Brendan; it was anything but standard. Otherwise, I concur in full with the rest of all you said.

cloudy knight you are truly a dope...obviously you weent at any dead shows in 93-95 when jerry was basically in a coma and a walking cash atm on a prop....if your going to kill the music with right on reviews then you better kill most dead shows 93-95..i was there ...most of them were brutal and painful to watch a great guitar player killing himself with drugs and cigarettes...he coldnt even play near the end...but thats ok with you...you rip a 70 year old man and a 62 year old man and a 41 year old guy with impossible shoes to fill...thank christ im not your friend neighbor or kid

and it definately does matter if the scene was cool...would you go to somalia on vacation...? you fucking idiot...would you go visit iran or iraq? and if no why not.....cause the scene isnt cool...you are truly a clueless dumbass who thimks its 1979 at msg...its 2010 in case you dont know.....you would probably rip les paul who played well into his early 90,s....you are clearly just a bag of negative wind who sucks up everyone elses valuable air...

and hats off to everybody who had a good time last night im with all of you...cloudy knight were you even there?

cliudy knight have you ever been to a caribean island and had maybe a bad breakfast or lunch or dinner or god forbid bad weather...did that ruin your whole day or vacation...the music is just part of the day and at 4 hours from 8 til 12 i guess the rest of your day must suck...i know 1 thing for sure...i wouldnt want to hang out with you before during or after a show.....you make me ill......and just for asking who the hell makes you the musical expert of this chat....do you work as a music critic ? did you got to berkeley? do you even play an instrumen or are you in a band..?

my father was a high school math teacher and you remind me of him...if my dad gave you a test with 100 questions on it and you got 1 wrong but still got a 99 he would hammer you on the one you got wrong instead of complimenting you on the 99 you got right...you are just impossible to please...please dont ever go....and i will constantly and relentlessly read all of your comments and posts and respond....and you still havent answered me? were you there last night?

Bob will never sing Days Between great, but when the band gets the dynamics perfect as they did last night it hardly matters.

"I kept coming back to how this is actually a true band,"

Exactly what I was thinking last night. The music was fresh, bold, original, and vital. Stop comparing it to anything else and accept it for what it is and it will take you to great places.

and 1 more for cloudy knight ...ive seen the dead at red rocks with jerry and just for your information 1 of the 3 shows i went to was a clunker ....did it ruin my whole experience you fucking idiot? no it didnt...i had a great time and went back the next night and it was pure magic ..so that debunks your stupid ass theory that its all about the music...no its not ...if you worked for me...and i do have my own company i would fire you in 2 seconds because you are truly not somebody who looks at the glass half full...your definately a half empty kind of guy...not somebody i would enjoy being with...if you were my brother or kid id probably punch you to wake you up out of the jerry fog that you are in...you belong on star trek the next generation so you can beam yourself back to nassau coliseum 1980

Bill:

I think you're talkin' to yourself at this point. And you made your point. Give it a rest in trying to counter CLOUDY; clearly he has a POV and I am sure some share in it. We don't, but take your own advice and go enjoy the next show and let CLOUDY wallow, if that is his want. Just saying.

tom you are right on brother

blackie you are right my brother...my time should spent better...so i just decided to get in the car in an hour and go to the show

doc you are 100 % right but we dont make those decisions

Hello all you from "in-town" and out-of-town to PHIL-ly Furthur Phestival! I thought last night's show was smokin' (did Steve see the same show?) especially for a band coming off a whirwind road trip from W VA, NY, Maine, Canada, etc. I just wanted to pass along a "hi-dee-ho" to Jack Straw from W VA - peace be with you, brother. Enjoy the show tonight and I'll see all you attendee zoners on Shakedown Street. Adam Dean

Right on black now that I recall it slipknot was totally sick and Jammy. The HSF is one of my favorite sequences. If anyone is going tonight just FYI the upper pavilion is very muggy and sound was IMHO better in the terrace near the lawn. The brightness of the big screen was too bright but the sound wailed and there was a cool breeze.
The other highlight from last night was hc sunshine (first of tour) and it was during hcs that they turned up the sound .

What a fun show!! Stoked for nokia!

Had seats in front row of orchestra, only the small pit in front of us, so right infront of JK & the backup singers Great show! Thought is was incredible from beginning to end - the energy never stopped!

Phil came out 1st at about 8:20, apologin for their lateness. I got the sense then they were gonna make up for it & certainly did! Show started off great, with Golden Road gettin everyone into it. HCS was sweet! Great jammin. JK sang it, but after they were jammin Bobby almost started to - he got out half a word then stopped, realizin the mistake, pretty damn funny. Jack Straw was great - after those 1st 3 songs i knew it was gonna be a good night.
Muli Guli brought the crowd down a bit being unfamiliar to most, but i was into it for that later part of the song. Dear Mr Fantasy was an incredible version. Im a fan of Corrinna unlike a lot of people, and this version was hot. It sure felt to me that we were sending love & positive vibes to the band & they were feeding us in return! Satisfaction was good but not great, I'd like to see them tackle another Stones song. When they ripped into Viola i was ecstatic! Another fav. Played well to end a damn great 1st set IMO.
2nd set opener - PITB!! They did not take it "over the top" but nice jamming. Then Althea - another fav, and this was HOT. super version. Cassidy was just OK, didnt do a lot for me, & thought it was a little short version. (ironically i got a haircut Friday from a Cassidie, never had met her before, named after the song! LOL) China was tremendous. In lots of these song the band just gelled & jammed, takin it higher & higher, awesome. Rider after of course was just as good. Eyes was incredible! Brought the whole 2nd set up a notch, fantastic. Days was the only ballad/slow songf they played all nite, and it brought the dance party to a stop temporarily. Then the party kiccked in again with Help. Sweet Help, and Slipknot was very interesting, good version, hot jamming in it. Franklins ended a great 2nd set fittingly. When they came back out for encore, i wasnt even thinkin about it being Saturday, LOL, and bobby said something before they started like "we wanted to remind you it was saturday night, just in case yuo forgot". Fitting. Very nicely done encore, if not "super special" LOL.

Many highlights for me. The band seemed to be really playing well together. Russo keeps the train chuggin along full spead ahead. Backup singers are a nice addition. I LUV Sunshine back there, sexy lady w/ a great smile swayin'.

The 1st 3 songs of the show were hot, especially HCS. The band jammed well on that one. Then Corrinna & of course Viola. 2nd set faves were Althea, Eyes Help>Slip.

if you have any doubts - DO NOT! see this band!! The line to buy the CD of the show at then was so long or i would have bought it, for whatever that is worth.

yes Brendan - the jam n Slip was pretty trippy. It was really nothing like Slipknot.

Couple other points - the boys all song ver well last nite! No problems at all. Their voices were good. I can see where smoe might want JK to sing Days, but Bob was fine.

Jeff Chimenti is the man by the way! is he the most under-rated, least appreciated musician around or what? Off the hook.

And anyone that doen not like JK is insane, he is phenomenal. Paying "homage" approriately but doin his own thing too.

Bobby had some interesting playing last nite, a couple things I thought were neat & unusual, even for him. i seem to rememeber that early, like in the 2nd & 3rd songs.

"Phil came out 1st at about 8:20, apologin for their lateness."

That's funny.
Since when is starting an 8PM show at 8:20 considered late for these guys?

Since it was a 7:30pm show.

They mentioned a truck went off the road for 6-8 hours, and he credited the crew for there being a show at all.

I would love to hear a return from Eternity. Maybe it's just me. I think the lyrics are appropriate for this discussion

My Second Verse, Is the Same as my First:

We each have a point of view, each valid all its own. Phil was awesome this night, and not that night. Bobby's voice was terrific that night and raspy this night. So and so didn't look at so and so and so on and so forth... The more I read these reviews, the more I realize how great this band is and how amazing this audience is and how much more I still love and appreciate this music - more and more. I can't think of any other band (in any lineup) or group of True American Troubadours in my life that can conjure up this much love, criticism, Americana, tears, debates, opinions, joy, commentary, reviews, details, excitement, attitude and many more adjectives and adverbs that I'll let you fill in. My point is that I really feel that something importantly powerful is taking place, and has - dare I say - returned to remind us of what it was we lost or left so many days ago. "Come back to the healing waters and let them wash your wounds and woes before venturing back into the wild world of life". It's only a concert in the end, and you can't take it with you. But what you remember and share is what it becomes and what a great sacrament that is to bestow! I like to think that the muse still resides in the halls of all these shows: watching and listening .... feeling around the corner for those lucky few who looked right into the 'strangest of places' when they least expected it and found a new sensation coming from their heart! Just like (Scurve) stated - I too never thought I'd get to ride these grooves this high again. They are no replacement for rides gone by, they are just different rides: still trying to find that same joy that can take us all a bit higher in our humanity = Our love of music, life and adventure. Our sense of camaraderie when we see a SYF or hear that oh so familiar guitar-lick in the wind. Or whatever it is that hits you. This phenom will probably not happen again with such power, interest, love, and all the things that make it what it is again in ours or our childrens' lifetimes. We are the luckiest of fools! All of us!

I love the bus!


-- and in the End, the Love you take is equal to the Love you make --


Quadrivium Medicament

Amen Adam! Couldn't have said it any better bro!

you said it Adam........

Some moments that "were" last night that "IT" what "IT" is that we love....

..toward end of 2nd set, one of many beach balls bounces on stage, only this a huge one. Phil kicks it, but it only goes forward a little to Bobby, and then he boots it hard offstage to the delightment of the fans.

...also, being right infront of the backup singers up front, i had been watching Sunshie a bit & waving to her, and she noticed. So then i blew her some kisses and she blew a few back. Just one of those moments, priceless....

gotta enter my feedback since this is my only show excpet for maybe GOTV and Nokia. LOved everyhting especially the great food and virtually no lines up top on the outer track. Had dinner wiht my new bride and jammed out to some great outdoor music. Saw my old flame from HUmboldt State Univ. and chatted for a while at the break. Very cool to see old friends! I thouhgt a highlight was cassidy. Spacey jams with a nice rich tone on JKs guitar. A slinky Eyes and rager of a china>rider. I love taking it easy at shows these days and getting some dinner, grabbing an ice cold German beer from a place with NO LINES. and again, up top, NO bathroom lines. Beautiful pine trees and just magnificent suroundings---of course minus the complete ghetto this place is in the heart of whereby if you strayed just 100 feet in the wrong direction you might get popped for looking funny. It was that bad. This was a crack whore's delight this neighborhood and park, but the Mann center was a complete Oasis. On the way in I was actually afraid for alot of people who might not see things in the right light. Great hot night of music and just swaying to the tunes. Enjoy all!

Ted (Stellablu122) - Boy you were right about a lot of things in your post to me, my friend!

Don't anyone get me wrong - Before I heard Furthur in December and saw them live in February, I hadn't been to a show in 17 YEARS. I just didn't like the sound of the reunions without the fat man. But there have always been two types of people at shows (since I've been going): those who want a few beers, maybe a joint, and to dance to some great music while buying another shirt for their collection and see some friends - and the bottom feeding, nitrous sellers and other scene exploiters/leeches/opportunists who profess to take part in a scene that wants to take care of itself and do the right thing, but always leaves a mountain of trash and discarded balloons everywhere they go. Shakedown Street was a garbage dump by late afternoon. You can always tell who is there for the concert and who is just there to make money off of Deadheads.

Tonight's music was transcendent - It was one of those night that I kind of wish I still did psychedelics.

I also got some wonderful, hand painted toddler clothes for my wife who is 8 months pregnant. My son is going to look super cool. And I still love this band and this scene.

I went into my attic and found a Spring 87 Tour shirt that I bought at my first show - It smelled like mothballs, but I am 40 and was wearing a shirt I bought when I was SIXTEEN years old today. Pretty cool.

Great show. Thanks for sharing.

As I was getting carried back to where I belong at Sunday's EPIC show, I came to realize my difficulties with Saturday's show emanated from my ever-increasing claustrophobia - which was raging in my 9th row seat and found no relief as I wandered through the very crowded aisles looking for a mellow (and dry) place to chill.

After unsuccessfully trying to purchase a seat in the center section of Orchestra A for Sunday's show, I decided to pull up a beach chair on the lawn outside the venue. Smart move. Very kind scene with clear sound and video, no hassles, no lines and free cold beverages (in my truck which was parked 100 feet away). I quickly recognized what had occurred the previous night.

I apologize for the negative commentary in my earlier post.

I will give Saturday's show another listen - as soon as I have had a chance to listen to Sunday's show a few times !! LOL

I like what Claude E . Knight said. People who can't handle a critical review should listen to what the guy has to say.

Btw, i can tell why i fidn't have the best time at 7/10 just from the the personal attacks on this page. This show was full of drunk assholes who couldn't keep their shit together and quite frankly i have a hard time distinguishing you all who personally attack on these boards versus said assholes who ruined the show for me. To each their own, but everyone deserves respect. While the reviews might not be great, they show a better example of respect than you posers will EVER know.

Understood, Mr. Steve, we've all been there.

By the way, anyone know where to get a download. Haven't seen the last few nights uploaded onto archive. Been enjoying the stream, though. Thanks,Rob.

thanks for the pix updates and setlist info!!

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On the long ride home last night I was turning over in my mind what I might say to express how I felt about the evening, as well as the larger picture of where this evolution has come. I kept coming back to how this is actually a true band, rather just a fine collection of players that are fighting hard to maintain the flame.

To acknowledge what is being accomplished each night, I still need to start with what the individuals are doing up there and I might as well start with John. He does have the most challenging assignment, doesn't he?

One would think John is under a tremendous amount of pressure, but I agree he handles the hardest job in show business with amazing grace and to my ears and mind has achieved success. The guy is obviously flat out talented. How could he not be?

How many would give anything to be able to assimilate the style and have the ability to execute playing like someone who was unlike any other player that went before him (even if Jerry picked up influences and styles from a myriad of others, he still melded it all into a unique blend that had never before existed and was for many the single most captivating element of the GD). Yet, unlike with DSO, John is not emulating a style from a particular era (like playing a '72 Sugaree vs. an '85 version); he's playing it his way, every night. I submit he is forging his own path.

Sure John is making the music sound the way it was meant to be played; he understands it, better than anyone who has stood in his spot before him, but he carries it off with an amazing blend of skill, artistry, reverence, passion, respect, subtlety, nuance, and I could keep going and still run out of adjectives that would not adequately describe what he is accomplishing every single night.

So before some naysayer says it, "No, he's not Jerry". However, in FURTHUR, unlike DSO, he isn't trying to be. He's his own man up there and we're lucky to finally have someone complimenting Phil and Bob who is equal to the task and more than manages to make the music sound the way it was intended. No one else since 1995 was capable, even if they were all talented and all made for enjoyable evenings, but there was always something missing. Well, "the missing" is finally back.

Unlike Woz (30?, really??; OK, I'm jealous!), I've only seen 11 FUTHUR shows, and while some have been better than others, all have been professional and all show strides in this adventure becoming a legitimate "band". Everyone on that stage is making huge contributions.

I was never very keen on the importance or value of back-up singers, but Jeff and Sunshine are the reason the vocals on FURTHUR's more challenging songs sound so damn good. These 2 are hitting every high note and making it sweet. And they are animated and they are having the time of their lives up there while doing it. Just listen to them backing last night on IKYR or FT. Those songs sound terrific with them providing the vocal foundation; they are so much more than back-ups. Then you have Chimenti and Russo.

Chimenti is the only non-newcomer, but he has stepped-up to become a more essential element in FURTHUR. Without the second lead guitar that P&F often employed, Chimenti has become the other player to provide great lead explorations on these tunes. It seemed like he had at least a half dozen solos last night that were simply stunning. Try listening to last night's Jack Straw and not having your jaw drop and he does this every time he takes over a song.

Last, but by no means least, is Russo. I love this band with a single drummer and Russo has been a monster back there. I thought Molo was the most capable, but for a guy who didn't know much about this music, Russo has become my favorite drummer in making it all work. Is he a little flashy? Well shit yea! But Russo makes whatever he is doing all work and interesting. I have never heard this music have so many imaginative percussion elements thrown into it. And NO drum solos are needed for it to happen. It is almost as if he is soloing throughout. Russo throws such ingenious shit into every song and he is driving this band along with Phil to higher heights. Just when you think he can't rev it up more, somehow Russo does. Does everyone enjoy the tempos of the faster material? Thank you Joe Russo!

FWIW, on the show itself, I heard several repeaters last night, having seen 4 shows of this tour before last night. Here is how I know it is all working - I didn't care about the repeats. Many were a notch better than the prior versions I'd hear (e.g., Jack Straw and China/Rider - and there was nothing wrong with the versions I'd heard at Coney Island either). While the dreaded Corrina would never make my dream set-list, even that one was time well spent, because they played the hell out of it. And the Viola Lee was a short stand-alone, but also oh so tasty (again, Chimenti went ape). I found that second set last night interesting in that the songs were all jam-worthy tunes and yet most were played as single pieces (with plenty of jamming packed into them). And that SLIPKNOT! was unlike any version I'd heard before. Now that is saying something and proves this music can still be kept fresh. Can’t believe it has been 40 years on this ride and it is still a freight train; can't wait for round 2 in Philly. Who's with me?"

AMEN!

Here are some clips... Video seems to be a bit better on YT but audio is much better on Vimeo so take your pick...

http://vimeo.com/channels/119916
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7UAsBy2UJms

William...don't ever let anyone tell you that you have no passion.....great to see someone with such passion. Whether I agree totally or not.....passion goes a long way in my book. Hat's off.

ive been told that thank you.....im going to say less and do more...thanx rbutze

Right on Joshua! Congrats on your upcoming addition to your family.

I know why I thought about Brent on 710--he Chementi is playing his key board! Did anyonme clue into the fact that it was 710--as in 710 Asbury Street?? I thought we would here a sick caution>new potato>cream ouff>hurts me too>Lovelight....great fun show though and I think I will certainly take in the vibes. BTW---not Black Throated wind, but makes me wonder where is that tune? And brother essaue--love to hear that too--but BTW the neighborhood was the most aweful I have ever, ever ever been in and that saus alot.

I loved the show....box seats....AWESOME!!!!!!

Would it kill the venue to put out a few porta-johns for the ladies? I guess having no roving 5-0 around most of the lot made up for that.

I left feeling as though it was a quality show. Nothing was over the top, nothing too cold. I can always do without the gap filler Corrina, but finishing with that Help>Slip>Frank really polished out the show nicely.

Black Throated wind, but makes me wonder where is that tune?

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Great version done the first night at MCU Park (second show of the tour) early in the first set.

Tennesse Ed-

You mentioned the Big Orange Ball that Bobby punched at the end of Rider (after the accapella part) he already had his fist up in the air, well I have to say I put that big ball in motion (proudly) it was hit twice after me tho,I watched intently,but after he hit it Phil then as you know totally outta character kicks it like that. Fucking best part of the night for me. Great show, was there both nights had a blast, was in the Phil Zone night 2, and he was on fire, God Bless him. Read his book recently, Searching for the Sound, its a great read you guys should check it out if you havent already....

re: Claude E . Knight and Willima F Anton jr.
As someone who has loved every post-Jerry Grateful concoction -- and I've caught em' all with the exception of a few of Billy's projects (like Backbone, Trichromes, BK3)-- I gotta say to Grateful Bill: "Lighten up Francis!"

There's a difference between slavish devotion and critical thinking, just as there is a difference between critical thinking and relentelss bashing.

Comparing Knight's original post to Anton's comments, ya gotta wonder who the "hater" really nis . . .

Knight:
"People are entitled to their opinions, and have the right to give them here. If it was all sunshine and moonbeams I wouldn't put any stock in the opinion anyway. Doesn't make them haters, just makes them honest critics. If you go for the music, then you should comment on the music, and it doesn't matter if the scene is cool if the music isn't. I heard Phil say it in the old days, "this is a music scene, not a party scene" and if it's good enough for Phil, it's good enough for me. Plan to have fun and hope for the best, but always be honest, whether you loved it, hated it or somewhere in between. Enjoy!"


Anton:
"cloudy knight you are truly a dope"
"thank christ im not your friend neighbor or kid"
"you fucking idiot"
"your stupid ass theory"
"you are truly a clueless dumbass"
"you are clearly just a bag of negative wind who sucks up everyone elses valuable air..."
"you make me ill"
"your definately a half empty kind of guy...not somebody i would enjoy being with...if you were my brother or kid id probably punch you to wake you up out of the jerry fog that you are in"


Right on Slydell!
"To each their own, but everyone deserves respect."

steven glickman....those are definatley my quotes and i stick by what i said...the only part im going to be critical of is the fact that you put cloudys entire post word for word and with mine you only took out the parts that upset you.....and i stand by exactly what i said.....wednesday night im taking my wife and thursday night its guys night out with going to a fine restuarant before hand with 3 dear friends and having a stretch limo drive us to and from the show and if the show is good well thats good and if the show is great well thas great and if the show is a clunker well you know what its still going to be fun because its not all about every note they play...its about being with good friends and nice people and having fun laughing joking eating drinking and listening so some great music and if john flubs a chord or bob forgets the words i could personally care less....they dont have to play for us..they arent doing it for the money...so if anybody wants to rip me for having a good time and not hving it be all aboiut the mucis let them have their post and space here....could you imagine having gone to your first show in 93-95 and i was bad...and we all have a first show....mine happened to be good ...9-5-79 msg.....ripping people who have a good time and enjoy it is doing a disservice to people who like the scene and dont ruin it for anybody else by either being totally drunk obnoxous or an asshole...sometimes if been to great shows in the worst of all places and sometimes ive been to bad shows in the best of places.....its all about having a good time and being kind to your fellow concertgoers...its not about every note.....the only eople who should be true critics of the band played would be a reporter for the new york post or rolling stone magazine whos job it is to go and critque...as for the 99.9999999 % of the rest of us at the show its not about note for note....if i hear a killer morning dew and blues for allah and then they completely train wreck stuck inside of mobile...its still a good time and a great show....i hope for the sake of this room they play well wednesday and thursday and i do hope for al of you in attendance you do have a good time and get there and home safely....thank grateful bill

William - I'm not gonna spend too much time on this, but: I'm not "ripping you" for having a good time -- hell I always have a good time at shows, even if the performances aren't technically stellar. I'm simply pointing out your agression toward people who do find meaning in applying thoughtful critical thinking to the performance itself. If the technical quality of the performance is less of an issue for you than connecting with friends at scene, good for you. In the same way the some folks prefer microbrews over Miller Lite, some Deadheads (including the band -- I once heard Weir or maybe Garcia, critique the complacency of Deadheads by saying that if the band played a crappy show, the audience should run them out town) find their musical bliss in top notch musicianship, mastery over the instruments and technical prowess rather than, or in addition to, the social energy of crowd.



For me, the values I find appealing about Grateful Tribe include respect for our brothers and sisters, even those that disagree with us. I find the vitriol of your language, as well as your dismissive attitude, toward Knight, and those who come to shows looking for something you're not especially interested in, to be in stark contrast to Slydell's coment about respect. If "its all about having a good time and being kind to your fellow concertgoers", how can you lay into a fellow head the way you've done to Knight? I can't see anthing kind in anything you wrote to him.

As far as what I chose to quote from you, I could really have quoted all your notes to Knight word for word, because each of them almost entirley expands on the point I'm making about your hosility toward a different approach to experiencing live music.

And as a reality check, let's not kid ourselves about the money. I certainly believe these folks do not play solely for the dough, but I'm equally certain that financial remnuneration is also one of their motivations. And I say this with support and agreement; I love my work - and I want a decent paycheck. Check out Bobby's comments in "Festival Express." Playing in the band may be a deeply gratifying spiritual experience for these guys -- but it's also a job. Not to mention that they have bills, too, and I'm sure that neither Russo, Chimenti, nor Kadlecik could afford to give it up and sit around eating bon bons all day!

You you, me me.

Peace on ya!

mr glickman...read my review from wednesday at nokia and ironically it was right below cloudys....i dont know the man but i had to be standing ten feet from him because i was in the general area he described....it was brutal and painful to watch and i felt bad for bob....bob i still had a great time

Dude - the point is your hostility, not your approach to the actual experience. Respectful disagreements do not include the kind of vitriol you've expressed above. Based on what I've read here, I can't imagine I'd be interested in reading more of the same.

Woa oh what I want to know is -- are you kind?

Peace out.