anyone got an extra? ticketmaster set an 8 ticket limit and they were gone in 30 seconds...
this show should smoke, any help is appreciated.
Ticketmaster had only 1000 tickets and they sold out in less than 2 minutes.
You will need a miricle to get into this one.
therefore my unhappiness with an 8 ticket limit...but life goes on.
The Dead at the Warfield......SWEETNESS!!!!
Does any kind soul have the skinny on the band's lineup for this Venue? Warren??
Anyone need a ticket?..........kiddin.. : )
They shouldn't play New Years at the Oakland Coliseum without some serious backing bands.
Succinctly, it was a new scene, a scene that doesn't understand the security realities of a post Jerry New Years in Oakland anywhere, or any cold Bay Area locale, expect the Watsonville Fairgrounds or something... warmer please...
Scarry actually, it was so empty there...
Fans were young and dumb and innocuous, it didn't hold up.
The Kaiser seems like a better bet for NYE next year.
"They shouldn't play New Years at the Oakland Coliseum without some serious backing bands."
Kind of the wrong thread for this discussion, but the way things are going, maybe Govt Mule opens the NYE show this year. Of course, just let Robert Hunter play a longer set, and that would be fine by me.
I don't know what you mean about it being cold and empty; it was packed with people both nights, and hot, musically and otherwise.
I was one of the folks gripping about the Coliseum before the shows, but it was actually very pleasant, with good service and unobtrusive security. I perdict another New Year's at the Oakland Coliseum, and that it will rock.
>>>>>>>> or any cold Bay Area locale
BWAAA HAAA HAAA HAA HAAAAAAAA!!
Cold!?!?! You wanna talk F-in' COLD, baby?!?!?!?
You west coasters just slay me to death!
Does anyone have an idea when this shows curfew is? I am trying to take the MUNI there and back again and need to know if the cars will be shut down.
My FedEx just came and it looks like I may have one extra for the 2nd WinterJam at the Warfield, seat is in the Balcony. e-mail is PBell615@hotmail.com
I am looking for cash/goodies exchange in the S.F. area.
"Does anyone have an idea when this shows curfew is? I am trying to take the MUNI there and back again and need to know if the cars will be shut down"
Last year's show lasted until around 1:00 am. We took BART and it was a mighty expensive cab ride back to Concord. Does anyone know if Hunter is opening again?
Scarry actually, it was so empty there...
1st night - not full, but close. 12.31 PACKED.
opener tonight - Golden Road - Warren on vocals!
I am so fucking juiced for the show tonight I cannot even begin to tell you.
Patrick I know doogels needs two tix so hopefully he is contacting you.
Please...no mickey singing!
have a great time everyone!
is this working - no setlist
So, anyone know what Warren sang during encore?
No reviews as of yet....strange.
The Dead, WinterJam 2, Warfield Theatre 2/9/04
Music Never Stopped
Built To Last (WH)>
West LA Fadeaway (BW)> Jam>
All That We Are (WH)> @Jam>
@Me & My Uncle
Just A Little Light (WH)
@Friend Of The Devil> Jam>
St Of Circumstance> Jam>
Drumz> Phil and Bill solo> Space>
Stella Blue (WH)>
Around & Around
Madman Across The Water (WH)>
Not Fade Away
Did Weir sing FOTD? Finally an Around and Around! Now that Warren sings more Jerry tunes, maybe bob can polish off some his classics, ala, Need a Miracle, Wang Dang, Picasso, All over now, etc
Bob Weir should not sing Althea. It's just wrong!
Ummm, Picasso Moon is a classic?
Looking forward to hearing how the new lineup sounded. What's Madman Across Water?
>>>It's just wrong!
not to start into the whole bobby doing jerry songs thing...but i felt the same way until i heard bobby doing wharf rat. honestly-great stuff.
Would love to hear some opinions on the groove. Was the show hot? Come on folks.....put it on the line.....your opinion that is.
Heard a couple of tunes on the stream and it did sound good. Three guitars worked well IMO!
I'd like to hear Bobby dust off Brother Esau. But cudos on having pulled out Born X-Eyed (I know this is not a new story but that song is quite a feat to pull off. It really surprised me. It has always been one of my favorites). As for last night, what's with Warren singing Terrapin? Is that correct?? Phil sings Terrapin with PLQ. What's up with that? I don't know if I want Warren singing Terrapin. The story is an old story that needs to be told by Phil (in Jerry's absence).
Madman Across The Water
Reginald Dwight Song
I want to hear about that Phil and Bill solo jam. That sounds like the goods.
Looks like Phil is going to lose some vocal time even more than this past summer. Looks like Mickey didn't lose any vocal time.
Hey Now! I am not sure how to describe this show. It had a very heavy groove, funky and psychedelic. They covered a lot of ground (space), musically and psychically. There were brilliant passages that shined, and a few others that bogged along a bit. A very curious setlist, especially in the first set. The second set had more of the traditional Dead structure. I am listening to the stream, which sounds great. Let's hear it for the Zone!
Weir did an excellent job on Althea, actually. It was a highlight of the first set. He also nailed West LA Fadeaway, and Me and My Uncle was great to hear. Appropriate for Warren to do Built to Last as his first number. Just A Little Light was the first song of the evening to send those creepy chills up and down my spine, and Stella Blue did the same. Warren sang Stella beautifully and with soul, and Heart, and MEANING. Weir did a classic Sailor-Saint combo, and I dont think I've heard a better Round-n-Round in 25 years.
Not too much from Phil vocally (except the sweet Unbroken Chain), although he did steer the ship through the bubbly spacy seas, leading with his bass, as always. I was surprised that Warren did most of the Terrapin vocals. I think that song really suits Phil. Just to mention the rest of the band, well they all are great. Jimmy wailing on the lead guitar, Jeff pounding the keys (he's a good player). Mickey seemed a bit understated last night (even though he sang two songs). Bill looked and sounded pumped up all night. The second set duet with Phil was a classic.
It was a strange vibe, and I don't think I am expressing it very well. The anticipation before the show, and all the folks shut outside on account of it being such a hard ticket to get, that all had an effect. When the show let out there were dozens of cops massed outside on Market Street with all kinds of flashing cop lights. Not sure what that was about. I don't recall seeing such a heavy police presence after many previous Warfield shows.
Why they played one show on a Monday night when the Warfield was empty all weekend puzzles me (Was Warren on tour 'till Sunday night?), and the night of the week effected the ambiance to be sure. The Warfield is definitely a theater that resonates loudly with Jerry's ghost, and I felt him Big Time last night. This was a genuine Dead show. The Dead live on, and for my love and money that is a very sweet fact.
>>>>>Looks like Mickey didn't lose any vocal time.
grumble grumble grrrrr mutter
Listening to Althea now...may take some getting used to. Both Bob's singing and Warren's playing may take some getting used to, but not a travesty.
I would LOVE to see them do Brother Esau.
>>>Phil sings Terrapin with PLQ. What's up with that? I don't know if I want Warren singing Terrapin. The story is an old story that needs to be told by Phil (in Jerry's absence).
RIGHT ON MAN
Phil brings the love
I was going to post this when I got home last night but the board was lcoked:
"The show was pretty damn good. The first set was OK but not great and it ended kind of abruptly.
The second set started mellow with some great spacy jams before drums. Terrapin station was powerful and played with confidence and elegance. Easily the best post you-know-who version I have seen. Drums was short but cool using mostly traps and some hand drums. Phil sat in with the last 1/3. Space was nice and spacy. Unbroken chain->Stella Blue->Round and Round E: New Song, Aiko Aiko, NFA was great. Fantasic energy and a perfect parabola of music all the way through the second set. Sent everyone home smiling.
This was not a rainbow and flowers type show. This was serious and concentrated music that bordered on dark (in a good way).
This line up was very cohesive and I think it is and will be a great band.
The only negatives for me was the overly crowded floor and phil too low in the mix. The mix was beter than New Years However.
For those who saw new years: I think this show was much beter."
I love phil- but my beagle sings better. Let warren do terrapin and bring the emotion back to the song.
Encore was Madman across the water, One of the Elton John's finest tunes(early 70's?)
you can argue that Warren has a better voice and it would be true..
to say that Phil doesn't sing with "emotion" is an outrage
Point taken, Perhaps unfair of me. Phil tries to sing with emotion it just doesn't translate harmonically. I feel his emotion during Unbroken Chain, I just don't like the way it comes out. He always sounds very flat which translates to my ears as lacking emotion.
>>to say that Phil doesn't sing with "emotion" is an outrage <<
I always considered phil singing terrapin to be an outrage. It takes more than emotion to sound good. I can sing with emotion at a kareoke bar... i'll still sound horrendous. I'm sure warren did the song justice
Anyway, glad to hear that a good time was had by many, although I'm skeptical that it'll surpass NYE. But who cares? I'm looking forward to hearing the show.
>>to say that Phil doesn't sing with "emotion" is an outrage
Lord Garth.....Get the Rack, Barb wire and red hot poker. Gotta get this guys mind straight.
>No emotion in phils vocals<......OY VEY!
>>Phil tries to sing with emotion
it's the "trying" that does it for me
hearing my hero sometimes painfully belt out those notes is a good thing for me
I know where you're coming from, from an objective standpoint Phil doesn't sound that great..
it's the subjective standpoint that I speak of..
when it comes to the sacred Jerry tunes I think it has more to do with the words, history and life of the songs. I'd rather hear these songs sang by Phil..the only person in the world who could loop in Jerry and set him free with the sickness. IMO the old Jerry tunes are very spiritual..that's why I want Phil to do them.
I really liked Warren doing Dew, WR and SOTM at the Beacon last December. Given the fact that it makes me miss Jerry too much I DID cringe when I heard the opening notes to SOTM..Warren sang it with such heartfelt emotion that I changed my mind and embraced it..
I just think Terrapin should be left for Phil
Hey.....Phils voice does not rule but his efforts do. He has cracked me up (and made me cringe) a few times during Eyes of the world and Terrapin and other tunes as well. Got to take the good with a wee bit of bad.
(((Phil singing Eyes)))
Maybe it was the set list, maybe they were playing too slow, maybe cause it was a week night, but I found the jams boring and the playing lethargic at best. A group of very talanted musician, who, IMO, just didn't get it together last night.
Please do not shoot me for this one but I love Warrens voice and think he should sing on just about every Jerry tune and then some on MOST nights.. Phil should do all his classic stuff such as Tom Thumb, Unbroken chain, and the rest... as well as some Jerry tunes. Phil and Warren could switch vocally on the same song from one show to the next.
Variety is the spice of life.
Keep us all guessing.
Nancy.......did not yet hear much of the stream but am quite surprized at your comment. Did you have a bad squat? Was the sound poor?
Highlight of the show for me was Unbroken Chain, the one song where they seemed to click. Perhaps lack of reviews = lack of nice things to say?
Sound was excellent, loud too. Go figure?
Just me I guess.
Lack of reviews..Not that many Zoners or people that post up reviews here were actually at this show..
Reviewing show from stream..altho valid..is a totally different thing than a review from an attendee...
and that it's only 8 in the morning...
they're still dreaming...!!!
...or heading off for work. Chow.
I am holding back because I don't want to seem ungrateful to the super nice people who hooked me up last night (Wizard and Wino.....thankyou so much. Pete, Canyon, Doogels, and zangmeister....grate to meet all of you. Canyon thanks for the disks!!!
This show was a complete let down for me. Besides MNS there was very little up tempo music. It really seemed to drag. Joan would have helped them out. She was sorely missed. The scene wasn't pretty. If the PLQ shows were sold out, this one was double booked. It was uncomfortable on the floor to say the least and people were pretty obnoxious where we were standing. We finally bailed and went into the hallway during throwing stones to get a beer and discuss what had gone down. It was the return of the old '95 type show. Guh!
Some of it was played musically well it just didn't hit it for me. Music was the high point and I should have realized it was all downhill from there when they went into self defense as the second song.
Althea was great.
I don't get into the dragging out of songs like terrapin. Its already long enough.
Warren seemed pretty tired to me through out the whole show.
FOTD was nice but after that first set, again I wanted something a little more up tempo. U
nbroken chain also seemed to have some good moments....although I am drained on this song it was the first time when the PLQ boys took over......thank god but a little to late.
Maybe in time this show will grow on me but everyone around me was also highly dissappointed. We left during the encores....I wish I had stayed for Madman.....its one of my favorite tunes....but hey...my train came immediately and I was psyched to be heading home.
Again I don't want to seem ungrateful for the many people who went out of their way for me. A million thanks to all of them especially wino who brought a phat jug of his own wine and to wizard for hooking us up.
I would not travel to see this band. I will hit shoreline and pray to god PLQ plays some shows.
It just wasn't even close to what these guys were playing.
MY opinion....sorry if it brings someone down. I hope others had a blast. I'm just trying to be honest here.
The phil and bill duet was a nice mix up. I definately enjoyed it...but the whole show was soooooo slow.
It seems so wonderful today. The morning sky was crisp and the day looked promising.
The boys laid down some solid ground work last night. I spoke with Warren after the show and he seemed happy with the results. The band acknowleged that there were some weak spots but, they realized that this was the begining of a new band that needs to work out the bugs.
Is seems that Warren spent most of the night trying real hard not to play a lot of guitar. His role (for the time being) will be second banana to Jimmy. When he did play.....it was good. Stella was deep and moving.
Kids! save your money for this tour. By the time they get to Red Rocks...look out!
(To Robert Minkin, it was nice to meet you and your charming wife. Can't wait to see your photos)
Yeah, what everyone said.
This is a new band (again)...they obviously need to play together...wait till they lock in though.
Zang - I agree the floor situation was a nightmare. Seats from now on for me at the Warfield. I agree the first set didnt really go anywhere, but I thought they hit some pretty tight jams during the second set.
Zang ...sounds to me like your beating around the bush here....enough of the sugar coating. what did you really think of the song selection and show?
Wizard, where did you guys end up....I wish we would have stuck together!!!!
Oh and to top it off some guy in front of me was hitting on this girl but when he tried to rub up against her, instead he rubbed up against me.....shudder.....
"Wizard, where did you guys end up....I wish we would have stuck together!!!!"
I know, I looked around for you but it was so crowded I gave up. We where most on the third tier of the floor. At one point we found our selves in the hippy mosh pit and had to bail out.
Sorry you didnt have a beter time.
Oh yeah - What was up with the agro police after the show out on Market? Was there a wookie riot during the show or something?
>>>Sorry you didnt have a beter time.
No worries....I'll live. Thanks again....I had a great time at dinner if its any consolation.
Geez..what a let down.
You had to be a true believer to enjoy this one. Imagine Phil Lesh & Friends with an incredibly lame rhythm section. Billy and Mickey together don't come close to what John Molo does. Warren tried his best, but in the end it was just not enough. Jimmy was great pumping out solos at ear splitting volumn while Warren's guitar playing was severely muted. The Mickey tune, one of the best played all evening, had a nice Allmanesque touch with Warren's soulful slide playing but it went down from there. There was a new song played in the first set, it would have been a good one if the drummers just knew how to keep it simple. Vocal harmony? There wasn't any despite Warren's best efforts. I've said it before..if sloppy playing is the hall mark of a good jam band- then the The Dead are the KINGS OF JAM.
Bobby Weir should stick to what he does best, Bobby songs. Althea, West LA- I mean what were they thinking? Did someone say that "he nailed it?" Perhaps it was too many $5.50 beers.
When the best songs are a Mickey tune and a Brent cover...that says it all! Ratdog and PLF are far superior than what The Dead has to offer at these inflated prices.
"Imagine Phil Lesh & Friends with an incredibly lame rhythm section."
I have to disagree with that statement. It was a mellow show, but I thought the playing was tight. Not every show needs to be a rock and roll extravaganza. Some of the drumming was quite good.
It obviously is a matter of taste, but I often like the careful and attentitive playing beter than dance-a-thon rockers. Really I like both.
Last night was not a stellar show, but I thought it was very good.
Ok my 2 cents I thought this was a very good show especially considering that this band is too big for the Warfield. It was just a bit cramped on the floor and it sounds like the spot I was in was the least crowded. The first jam in The Music Never Stopped was excellent.I do agree the Self Defense was a let down but that song is growing on me. I really liked the rest of the first set but you can definitely sense the band trying to get the sound right. In my opinion it was muddy again the reason being too much band for the venue. The second set reads like one of my favorite play lists. I really enjoyed Lost>Saint>Terrapin was sweet to my ears and I can’t wait to get the discs. Overall I had a wonderful time and enjoyed meeting all the zoners. All in all I’d have to say it was the best Monday night I’ve had in a long time. I can’t wait to see this band in some venues that fit it’s size.
Wizard you are correct....the playing of music was not so bad. I felt like they played each song fairly well....not unbelievable but pretty well.
>>Zang ...sounds to me like your beating around the bush here....enough of the sugar coating. what did you really think of the song selection and show?
Just trying to be honest
listening to this show has been great and all.. but i still don't hear how they're going to make up for the loss of Joan. Warren had a few great moments on b2l and little light and madman vocally and a number of great moment musically - but it reminds me of when bobby sits in with plq - cool to see a bob tune with plq (sorta) but the sound just never seems to fit.
hmm sounds like not only did you need a miracle, but $242.50. then again it doesn't sound like it was that much different than winter jam one.....
WARNING: HARSH REVIEW AHEAD!
Nancy in the Sky: It is not 'just you'. Compared to some of the better PLQ shows, this one WAS pretty clunky. Jams were mostly pointless, uninspired, yawn. Yes, Jerry's ghost WAS looming large. Energy was muy hyped beforehand - I think a lot of us who had become bored with 'The Dead' were psyched to see what Warren could bring to the table...I for one, was largely disappointed...
As a front-man, Warren was under-used, I would say. When he DID sing/play, the results were impressive: who'd have thunk that 'Built to Last' and 'Just a Little Light' would be 1st set highlights? For me, they were; the similarities between Warren and Brent's voices is spooky and great.
>> I always considered phil singing Terrapin to be an outrage.
Yes, well-said. Phil is awesome, sure he's got emotion, but let him focus on HIS tunes, leave the Jerry tunes to Warren. Yes. the 'Terrapin' last night was powerful, but, please guys, we don't need all three vocalists on the 'Inspiration' verse..I found that approach distracting, just let Warren have at it...
Bobbification: Sure, Bobby has written some great Dead songs, and with the GD he could be a great showman, but he has definitely become a liabilty, IMHO. Not only was he frequently switching guitars between songs, he friggin' switched axes DURING one song (FOTD). Also, his sad attempt to transform himself into the new Jerry continues...the gut...the beard..but the worst is his trashing of Jerry songs - IMHO, he butchered West LA, and Althea. You've written some of the best Dead tunez, Bob, please leave the Jerry to someone else! Even the 'Sailor > Saint' combo was just lagging...
Micky's 'singing': nuff said. At least he didn't do that 'Fire' rap that we all love to cringe to..
'E' for effort, guys. But here's my advice to all the East Coasters: Save your money (and your ticket stress) and just wait for Phil & Friends to bring the love. 'The Dead' is dead. Long live PLQ!
>Seats from now on for me at the Warfield
I decided the same thing a while back. I hate the Warfield floor, ALWAYS oversold and then they hassle you like mad to go out into the hallway and out of the aisles, and of course you can't go balcony with a floor ticket so WTF is one to do? I paid to see the show and I'm sure as hell not going to do that from the hallway.
I thought the energy coming on stage was terrific--it felt like a harder edge with Warren now in the band. It was a rockin' first set. I agree that it ended rather awkwardly and quickly (1 hour 10 minutes?). Felt to me that Warren was still getting his chops with the songs he hadn't done with PLQ. I really love hearing him sing Just a Little Light
The second set balanced out the first with a more measured pace. The Lost Sailor/Saint was more laid back and was a bit of a letdown from the last time I saw them do it in December 2002 at the Kaiser (which I thought rocked).
A friend remarked that there was quite a battle on stage during Althea. I noticed that it started off as one song and ended up another. I consider that to be such the quintessential Jerry song--very difficult for any band to get the same mood and atmosphere, especially one that's not on the same page as to where to take it.
Mickey looked tweaked quite a bit last night--the sound problems during Me and My Uncle really seemed to take him elsewhere.
I think Phil sounds better and better every time I hear him sing. He also did some nice harmonies with Warren on Built to Last. That he can do that without Barraco adding the third layer so beautifully really says to me that he continues to work hard on his singing, and it shows.
Lots of missed changes. I mean, how many times has Jimmy played Unbroken Chain? How does he miss a change in that? But it was still amazing to see the band with Warren. I wouldn't recommend that people skip this band. I'd like to see them play together for awhile and check them out again. Doesn't change my preference for PLQ shows...but well worth a night out.
BTW, the police presence was due to the huge number of people who didn't have tickets hanging out on the street. From what I understand, the cops were trying to disperse the crowd all night.
>of course you can't go balcony with a floor ticket so WTF is one to do? I paid to see the show and I'm sure as hell not going to do that from the hallway.
buy two tickets--one floor one balcony--voila you got the run of the place...and if you got kicked out--you still have one ducat to get you back in the bldg.
Well put there Barrry( I was not in attendence but heard the stream more than once).Perhaps a wee bit more practice and a little more direction or input from Warren will add to the mix. (Not to mention a better song selection) The music how ever was not bad. There were some good moments.
The cake as it came out of the oven was not what you were hoping for but with a dash of this and a sprinkle of that....who knows. Still early days for this band.
Keep the faith......but having said that I agree... lets cross our fingers and hope for a spring tour of the Q.
>>I for one, was largely disappointed...
As I was at my first GD show in 86. Give it a chance man - I think they rehearsed for one day.
as a listener today, and not an attendee, i second spanish jam's general opinion.
this is the first time these guys have played together in public. and for better and sometimes for worse, the alchemy involved in producing this music takes a while to cook up just exactly perfect.
Loved the show. Yes, it wasn't as energetic as others, and yes, I missed Joan, but I thought it was interesting nonetheless. There was a lot of playful teasing and the onstage battles left me wondering what was coming next on more than one occasion. Sometimes it felt like the band wasn't quite in sync with what they wanted to do, but it wasn't what I would call a boring show by any means. I was just happy to be in the show rather than out on the curb. Had seats in the upper balcony. Loved it...then again, I like the grass at Shoreline...lotsa room to dance.
i believe had they done a 3-day run starting on thurs or friday it woudve been much better for the band and the fans.....(mondays suck!) no wonder warren was tired etc. but not to worry just pull out any number of saturday phil shows from the last few years and say to yourself the day of the week can play a factor in perfomance and fan energy.
Newer Grateful Dead fans will enjoy this version of the band (Dead version 2.1). Sounding more like the 80's GD. I predict that hardecore fans will become alienated with Bobby and blame him for this weaker version of PLQ.
The Q is the real thing, no doubt about it!
Warren is to shed light, not to master.......
its not too late to say PLQ a 60-70 tour for the remainder of 2004, wow it rhymed and im dreaming.
can't wait for Red Rocks!
PLQ = THE REAL THING
jimmy noodles too much.
"Madman across the Water" is Elton John tune never thought Ide hear the Dead due a Elton song
Sorry Dwight didnt see your post
>>>>I predict that hardecore fans will become alienated with Bobby and blame him for this weaker version of PLQ.<<<<
I agree, its completely not fair to Bob but already there are more negatives than positives. The Bob bashing should start soon - too bad. I still think 3 guitars are a bit much for "The Dead sound" we are accustomed to. I think thats a mistake that people may still think that way though - that sound left with Jerry. There should still be plenty of good music in this lineup - just a little different thats all. We'll see, its only one show.
>this is the first time these guys have played together in public.
hmm I thought 2-14-03 was in public
The real question is DID ZIPPY GET SHUT-OUT!!!???
It's understandable that things didn't totally gel on this new lineup's first night --- there were some excellent moments, but I'm struck more by the ones that weren't. Maybe I need to hear the tapes and I'll realize I'm wrong (could've been the state of mind I was in - fairly out there), but there seemed to be a number of gaffes, particularly on the part of Weir and Hart. It seemed to me that these two aren't really listening closely enough to what's going on. Bob seemed to have several vocal miscues (even on his own tunes!). Was it me, or could he not recall some of the words in Throwing Stones, and possibly even some of the less complex tunes(forget Althea - how many times did he hear Jerry sing this one?). Mickey seems to be more concerned about putting on a good display of pyrotechnics on his drums (and microphone) than actually listening to what's happening and adding some nice polyrythmic textures. Bill, on the other hand, seems completely on top of things (and completely unassuming, as always). Unfortunately, Phil didn't seem able to really take charge of this show, and he's certainly the one who has the ability to. Jimmy sounded great, Warren had his moments, and I was impressed by Jeff's keys, especially in Unbroken and a few other tunes. I haven't really heard this guy enough (without Rob B.) to know what his playing's like, but it sounded rather good to me last night.
I don't know - I still love these guys, and won't stop seeing them until they (or I) are physically unable to tour anymore, but I've got to be honest about what I'm seeing. I just got the feeling last night that, as the saying goes, "too many cooks spoil the broth." It just seems that it's going to take this lineup some time to fit in all the elements here into a cohesive mix - I mean it's now the psychedelic, jamband version of the Outlaws - the "California guitar army."
BTW - anyone notice the ridiculously drunk asswipe who had to start wailing and moaning like a banshee from the lower balcony during the quiet moments in Lost Sailor?? Oh boy!! - can't wait to hear this on the audience tapes - NOT!!! Thank God security finally dragged him out - if he'd done it during Terrapin, Unbroken or Stella, I might have had to kill him. Hope they release a board of this show, cause that one tune is really going to hurt if he was picked up by the mics.
'Til the summer...
>>>The real question is DID ZIPPY GET SHUT-OUT!!!???
At point I watched a guy walk by me offering to pay $100 a ticket.....5 minutes later he had upped it to $125....10 minutes later...same guy $200
>>this is the first time these guys have played together in public.
>hmm I thought 2-14-03 was in public
Joan sang on a bunch of songs, i believe
>"Madman across the Water"
Govt. Mule plays this tune as well...
Wait a minute - where's Zippy??? Is *he* why the cops were so strong last night?
(BTW - I'm writing my memoirs of last night. I'm trying to do it well thought out).
Did anyone get a poster? They were out by the time I got to the doors.
Zippy was very intoxicated when we saw him last night. He might be holed up somewhere with a hangover.
>>>I predict that hardecore fans will become alienated with Bobby.
Hardcore fans love Bobby Weir. Its new PLQ fans that don't like Bobby.
I think Self Defense sounded great on the stream and I love Just A Little Light with Warren singing sounded just as good as the Q did on 12/5, also love the fact that Phil has never forgotten about Brent a great nod to him. R.I.P. Brent.
Wizard, you can have my poster.
Yes Alex, Bobby did forget the words to Throwing Stones. But that was the least of their problems last night.
All in all, tentative in places, and often kind of dark. Beasts slouching towards something new, with maybe some bad vibes still resonating from the sudden shift away from Rob and Joan.
I love that they sort out their shit in public.
>>>>>Hardcore fans love Bobby Weir. Its new PLQ fans that don't like Bobby.
Actually, I think a lot of PLQ fans are more hardcore dead heads than today's dead heads. For sure, the crowds at the phil shows I have been to were far more knowledgable, old school and hard core than at the dead shows I saw this summer.
And though this band does not excite me, I got no beef with Bobby--the best part about this band is that they do his songs, which I miss with the (far more exciting) PLQ
I've heard Warren do mad man solo too
>> The CA guitar army
Green Grass and High Tides FOREVER!!!
From today's SF Examiner:
THERE WAS A HUMAN BE-IN OF sorts outside the Warfield Theatre on Market & 6th on Monday, as The Dead appeared for one night only. "People were lining up at four o'clock this morning," said the Warfield's Dwion Gates. ... Here today, ganja tomorrow. ... Jewelry and brownies of specious nature were being proffered on the grimy sidewalk -- along with clay pipes ... glass pipes ... and porcelain pipes. ... All this street theater was accompanied, of course, by the obligatory obligato of a lone conga drummer. ...By nightfall, it was a full-fledged, noisy, tribal gathering under a low-lying, hazy, pungent cloud that wafted over the block between Taylor & Mason ...
The Dead's music -- as well as the scent of herbs -- was coming up through the floors here at The Examiner. The Dead sound is vibrant and, well, lively. The remaining Dead are a testament to being alive. With Grateful Dead originals Bill Kreutzmann ... Bob Weir ... Mickey Hart ... and Phil Lesh, now 62, and with a new liver -- this merry band represents the triumph of flesh over pharmaceuticals.
Winter Jam 2004
This was actually a very good concert. It was mellow and spacy and very jamed out, probably due to it being a monday nite. Many flubs in changes and lyrics but nothing I couldnt laugh and shrug off. It seemed at points like it was just close friends watching their friends have a jam session in a living room-it was very intimate. I saw many old fansincluding one who was around 87 y/o I think.
Music Never Stopped was a decent opener, sounded very disjoined at first but the jam was real jumping and charged. I was pretty diisapointed by the first notes of Self Defense but again after the lyrics another good jam arose. There was a couple of 80's songs like Built 2 Last and Little light that Warren just took over on. You will be surprised by the power these tunes-very heavy versions here and one even rocked the set to a close. West LA was about the only song the Weir sang and did very good on. I'd even say Bob nailed WLA. It was very funky and groovy. Me and my Uncle was marred by skanky microphone shrieks that were quite prolonged into the song. it a shame because otherwise a good version with bob on acoustic. this might have been where bob got pissed b/c all of the other songs he sang-even his own- he screwed up somehow. 1st set was kind of forgettable but in a good way..
you could see the band doing a huddle behind the equipment that meant set II was about to start. Bob acoustic again-starts off just bob and jeff, then warren comes out, then trickes out phil, jimmy , and the drummers. Was thinking at first Black Bird but FOTD started up. Bob did a little pause between lines in the first verse. seemed like Salior>ST. was forced, and bob mumbled some lines. but TerpSt. was monumental. first real jam of the nite almost. started the intro then it veered from the path for a while then I saw Phil say "get(go?) back" and kind of motion with his neck of his bass in a pulling back motion and the intro to Terrapin churned back out into the open. I was waiting for Phil to start singing, but noticed he- nor anyone else were stepping up. I thought uh-oh someone else is gonna sing, and warren did. I was bracing for far worse(like bob was gonna sing).
Great job by warren putting emotion in his voice and the song. would rather have phil sing it tho as he had yet to lead any song that nite and I like his singing. Drums was brief, with phil leaning on a amp watching. then he joins in with a melodic solo that had hints of terrapin(i think)the space was with every one on stage and was a kind of guitar-led space.UBC was awesome and had the best jam of the nite IMHO. that funky breakdown and phil perfectly accepable lyrics highlighted the show. throw in a stella Blue from warren that sent chills up and down my spine and I got my 50 bucks worth. the rest of the show was a party with weir finally shining in the action. there was a flub in T Stones.
show ends with NFA clapping/chant and the band fades out. also saw hart fumble the sticks a few times. sorry for the jumbled review, just trying to remember all that went down. all in all tho it was better than what i usually do on mon. plus a free poster!
Guess my expectations are too high - time to take my head out of the clouds...
Anybody know why the SFPD sent their entire force in riot mode down to the Warfield, after the show let out? We were lucky to be able to cross Market St. without getting killed by some overzealous rookie cops! Really freakin' ridiculous! I suppose making a few good drug busts is reason to send down half the city's police force!! COME ON!!!! Please tell me there was some real crime going on, or I'm really getting freaked. As one of my friends jokingly commented as we got the hell out of there, "this is the last time I come down here." Let's hope we don't have any replays of those infamous mid-90's tours.
Hey, it's a Monday night, what else they got to do?
WAaaaaaAAAAAAAaaay too many police officers last night. Before the show, they carried a girl out with one cop on each limb. Think Superman. She was pretty unhappy.
Anyone remember the lot after Snoquanamie? (sp?)
I love the mellow shows...
I thought it was great...
I even liked the keyboard player...
but Warren never got a chance to shine...
what cops we were smoking dope the entire time in line?
I hope the cops let Zippy sleep it off on the sidewalk..
>what cops we were smoking dope the entire time in line?
The cops that were there after the show.
"Guess my expectations are too high - time to take my head out of the clouds... "
Expctations are everything. Could I really have your poster?
What's up with this tune, "All That We Are" ???
Is it a Warren original?
Where can I find the lyrics?
Who's got the low-down on this nice ballad?
Oh, I found it....
All That We Are is a Phil Lesh song, first played by The Dead on 5 August 2003 (sung by Joan Osborne). Subsequently played by Phil Lesh & Friends with Warren Haynes on vocals.
"The Dead" Concert Recordings
5 Aug 2003 Verizon Wireless Amphitheater, Indianapolis, IN
10 Aug 2003 Jones Beach Theater, Wantagh, NY
18 Sep 2003 Verizon Wireless Amphitheater, Irvine CA
Very nice song.....Warren's just beautiful on it...
Just wanted to add that the reason they didnt play any other nights is because Warren is on tour with the Mule...played a show sat night in south carolina, and is playing TONIGHT in Talahassee, FL. The guy is a musicaholic!
I just got back from 11 hrs of driving out of the last 24 (Arcata) and admit Im kinda surprised by the prevalance of neg feedback. Saw mostly happy people during and after the show, myself included. Granted, setlist wise the show did not live up to the hype and expectations. That said however, I thought they played very well overall. Loved Warren as lead guitarist and on vocals-- Stella Blue??? Amazing IMHO. Anyone else on the left front of the floor know what was up with the "screamer lady"? Oh my lord. Take less X next time please!
Give these guys time to gel, get a couple of shows under their belt, and then watch out- there will be some scary good nights i have no doubt
"kinda surprised by the prevalance of neg feedback"
This must be your first visit to this web site.
Let me start off by saying that i was at the Alpine Valley reunion shows, and at the two Oakland (Kaiser) shows in December of 2002. I haven't seen any shows since they became "The Dead", last night was my first.
Last night started off great. The Music Never Stopped was ragin', and my first thoughts were that the rest of the night would be smokin. Ultimately, i would be a little disapointed. From what i've seen of "The Other Ones" and "The Dead", it seems as though Bobby and Phil are just not on the same page. It seems that they are both trying to be the bands' leader, trying to pull the other member's in thier particular direction. It seems like Bob is more song oriented, while Phil wants to lay out long drawn out jams. I feel like i will go into the next show wondering "Will tonight be a Bobby night, or a Phil night?".
Well, last night was a Bobby night. Like i said, it started out great, but seemed to lose steam rather quickly. Warren Haynes was awesome. Everything he touched turned to gold. From him singing Just a Little Light, a beautiful Terrapin, to the unreal encore of Madman Across the Water; he really is a pro's pro. The guy is just brilliant.
I really felt the boys kinda let the crowd down last night with the second set opener. Everyone seemed to be buzzing for a China-Rider, or a Help-Franklins. Instead we got an acoustic friend of the devil which was VERY mellow. Nice, but mellow. The Lost Sailor-Saint of Circumstance was nice, but never really developed. Things picked up a little after that, with a beautiful Terrapin. Drumz was short, but the Unbroken Chain really picked things up. The second part of the second set really was a lot more energized.
I am not trying to be negative here, i am just calling it as i see it. I love the boys, and had a good time; but something isn't clicking. I really felt that losing Rob was huge. He brought a lot of energy and enthusiasm to the group. Jeff is cool, but he was tough to hear, as there were three blazing guitars. I don't know, i think i could write a lot more about the whole Bobby vs. Phil vibe i get. All in all it was a good show. Fun show. I think that three guitars is a little too much for me. Personally if i had my choice, i would go see Phil and Friends with Jimmy, Warren, and Rob. I think that Phil and Friends gives Warren and Phil the musical freedom that they need. It just seems that they aren't getting that now, and i think that Bobby is the reason.
I just have to end by saying that i love Bobby, i just think that the band is confused on the direction that it wants to take. Personally, i like more jamming. Others might like more songs. Sorry for the long review, i think one could really disect this whole situation, as it seems like a very unusual dynamic is happening.
What do you guys think?
"It seems like Bob is more song oriented,"
The Ratdog show I saw had lots of Jams. Even started off with a freeform jam ala PLQ.
"It seems like Bob is more song oriented, while Phil wants to lay out long drawn out jams"
That is totally true...and always has been- i remember reading a Jerry quote that Bob didnt like meandering sgues between songs...wonder why?
"losing Rob was huge. He brought a lot of energy and enthusiasm to the group"
Thats the biggest question i have about this group- Why no Rob???
"Personally if i had my choice, i would go see Phil and Friends with Jimmy, Warren, and Rob. I think that Phil and Friends gives Warren and Phil the musical freedom that they need."
Also agreed, even though I had a good time last night and will probably go see this configuration again. P+F is still where its at for me too.
>>>>>"kinda surprised by the prevalance of neg feedback"
>>>>This must be your first visit to this web site.
They started out that FOTD REALLY slow before Bobby picked it up. At that point, he also stopped waiting extra bars to sing.
I thought a lot of the vocals (by both Bobby and Warren) were tentative. Bobby missed quite a few lines, and Warren seemed to periodically confuse his bandmates with his timing. They do such a good job of covering that up instrumentally, so you might not be able to tell if you only heard the show rather than seeing it. But there was lots of looking around, trying to sense each other's readiness to move on.
I thought that Chimenti was very good. Really liked him on the pipes, when he decided to take a turn there. I certainly miss Barraco's heart and spirit, but they're okay with Jeff.
I think that Warren makes Herring better. They play so well together, and that will come out as they continue to play together with this lineup.
Wanted to comment on the cop thing--the cops were there very early, due to the number of people without tickets. Apparently there was some concern about Warfield Security's ability to control the crowd.
I also saw a woman who apparently had a counterfeit ticket slap the shit out of one of the Warfield security guys. At that point, a couple of other security people hauled her away. She was fighting pretty good. But the guy who got slapped just stayed at the door, doing his job. All in a day's work, I suppose.
kinda surprised by the prevalance of neg feedback"
>>>>This must be your first visit to this web site.
-yes me too haha... ok my cover is blown i just signed up today so i could post...word to your mothers
OK I tried posting this before and got a webserver error so here goes ...again
I saw the NYE run which kind of sucked ad this was much mch better. So I don't know why there're some many complainers on this board. Oh wait it's a board, what else do you find on a board? <--that's sarcasm folks.
There was a bunch of energy in the bldg last night and the vibe was good and almost nervous. I think everyone was anious to hear the line up with Warren. The songs were punchy with an edge and the mix was LOUD. Never heard myself say that the mix was loud at a Dead show before. I always complained that they were trying to produce too much in the way of dynamics at the cost of being able to hear the tunes. Not last night, just the opposite.
Anyway, I noticed the Bob vs. Phil battle, particularly right before drums. Bob was trying to lead into another tune and Phil drove it to drums, which set Bob off, literally. With the raised hands off his head and dramatic stroming off stage. Such an actor. Phil was hiding behind his Leslie until Bob cleared out and then went to talk to Bob's tech and Warren, Chimenti, etc.
I think the only reason we got te Bill Phil duet is becasue Phil didn't want Bob to go off on him backstage, so he went back on when Bob returned and animatedly explained something to Warren. This was all quite visible from the balcony if you watched the drama unfold.
Bobby's guitar has waaaay to much treble. He cranked his gain on his rack up when he put on his acoustic before Me and My Uncle and of course we all got the added benefit of feedback which was excruciating. His poor tech was desperately trying to undo whatever Bob tweaked to no avail.
Bobby forgot the words to his own tunes a few times, but what's new?
I'm wondering if Gretsch and Fender are sponsoring Bob since he never plays his Ibanez axes anymore and switches between the Tele and the Gretsch hollowbody about every tune. The problem as I see it, is no matter what he plays or what effects he dials in his tone is thin, tinny and blaring. It was always bad, but this is new ground he's breaking here. <-- that was comedy folks.
As usual Bill and Phil held it together and Jimmy was leaning on them both as well as Jeff to help right the ship on occassion.
Warren is great and does ten times for the Dead what Joan did. Sorry Joanzers, I think she's overrated.
Warren seemed to be doing a lot of listening and actually learning on the fly (Lost/Saint. He'd lean over and watch Jimmy and Phil for cues a bunch of times.
Mickey: Seemed a bit out of sort bordering on mad all night. Love the guy, but someone please take the microphone away, please! I'd rather hear Phil sing. I know, I know Phil sing with emotion, but come on he sucks at singing and so does Mickey. We all have known that for years. That's why we'd chant "Let Phil sing, let Phil sing" back in the old days. Remember?
Jeff: He's a great keyboardist. He was throwing in jazz lines all over the place and generally serving as musical glue.
All in all it was a very goo dshow, I now it's hard to tell based on what I just typed, but it was. Now if these guys could just get along after 39 years, we just might get somewhere.....
Practice makes perfect you know. I wasn't there, but after a listen you've got to hold out that this band, by the end of the summer will rock. I mean if you've forgotten, take a listen to the 2/14/03 show. there are very "unsteller" moments to that..the Lazy Lightning for example. Who would have thought that that band could pull the rabbit out of the hat by New Years this year...which I thought, and I was there, was on par to PLQ, not better by any means, but up there in the realm of musical bliss that I think we all strive for. So yeah, practice..and then the six nights at Red Rocks will, I hope, blow the roof off...but wait, there's no roof there...
Long live the Q.
overall it was good show it started out great with the music never stopped but then self defense was a huge left down. It seemed as if the band wasn't really ready for the show there was technical problems all night. Not that i minded mickey's mic not working during self defense :-D i really liked that jam right before terrapin it sounded like phil was tryin to lead into terrapin and bobby wanted to play jack straw. Warren needs to play more i saw him standin there doing nothin too many times. If i can brighten up some of this pictures i took i'll post them later tonight
You know what kind of strange...Those Alpine Valley shows might have been the best shows The Other Ones/The Dead have done and they were the first shows - sort of...they were tighter then...I think...when I go back and listen to those shows they really were quite good!
just got back from the printers with my new t-shirt in honor of the show last night. it reads, simply, 'worst show ever'.
Got an extra shirt Cinderoo? At least post a pix.
Mine too but mine also reads
you meet the best people at a Dead Show!
>>>you meet the best people at a Dead Show!
Youa re one of those people Wino. Thanks again for the wine! That Pinot was excellent.
I haven't posted in quite some time... Probably summer of last year... I generally don't come to this baord anymore because I've found there is an unusual amount of negativity on the Zone these days. For those of you that are keeping it positive!!!!! THANKS! That's what this used to be all about!
So why am I here now? Because I've talked with several who also saw the show last night and had very different opinions as to what they saw.
My opinon... Well I had a a blast!
I went in with no expectations as I have for the past 26 years and came home with another great memory! The setlist was somewhat vintage and to me it felt like old family night for the hometown crowd! Everyone seemed to enjoy the sing-a-long's and there was plenty of dancing goin' on!
To be honest, I like the fact that this band perceives us as so forgiving (at least we used to be), that they will throw a practice-type gig our way and try on their new shoes with very little practice! Where else can they do that and where else do we see this band in a theatre this small.
Were they perfect? No.... They never have been.
Was the show a mind-blower? No.... But I'm really glad they aren't every time. I can sit at home with my stereo cranked-up to twelve and relive the mind-blowers anytime I wish to.
The truth is... I enjoy watching them perform live and I will continue to see what they have to offer as long as it's there! I'm sorry I can't be more miserable and jump in on the pile... But there really isn't a lot to complain about! I have a feeling that this band is gonna smoke when they get the bugs worked out!
Like the old song goes... "believe it if you need it, if you don't just pass it on."
(((((((( WOW ))))))))
now that was refreshing!!!!!!!!!!!!Hlpslpfrnk)
ok here goes...
1st set was a good one. surprised by the Althea. the Self Defense was played better than the ones from the summer. and now we get to hear the Dead doing Brent songs, which is a good thing.
2nd set was pure Ratdog, with the Unbroken Chain thrown in. the guess here is to get Warren used to the songs. with really only a day and a half to rehearse, not much they could play.
but you have to really listen to this show to appreciate what Warren adds to the band. Jimmy IS the lead guitar, Bobby IS rhythm guitar. Warren added these little touches here and there all night long that really made the tunes sound better.
Jimmy was on fire all night long. as was Phil.
second set: Saint>Terrapin & Stones>Around were too slow in tempo for my taste. as for that trainwreck of an Around & Around, just too sloppy, and i would put this on Bobby for that.
another surprise was the giving Warren a slot to shine in the encore. good choice of song for Warren to pick here.
of course it would be the logical thing to have Warren sing ALL the "Jerry tunes" and let Bobby stick to the "Bobby tunes", but we all know Bobby is not gonna let that happen.
the total volume of set 2 was much lower than set 1, but i didnt find any other major sound problems. Warrens vocals was low in the MNS but was adjusted after that.
Wonder if Warren wants to become Little Jerry and sing all the Garcia stuff...something tells me "no"
>>>>I hope the cops let Zippy sleep it off on the sidewalk..
?? Hope dudes alright. ??
Phenomenal City (The city of great music! 02/07- Modereko/Dave Nelson@Avalon, 02/08- Gomez@Fillmore, 02/09- Dead@Warfield, 02/11- DeepPurple@Warfield, 02/13- Jemimiah Puddleduck@Fillmore)
Phenomenal Venue (Thanks to the whole Warfield Crew for yet another GREAT experience!)
Phenomenal Family Energy (It was great to see you all again, cant wait till next show Got To Love Family!!
Phenomenal Musicians (Thank you Phil,Bob,Billy,Mickey,Jimmy,Warren,Jeff and the Dead Crew. We couldn’t have the experience without all over you.)
Phenomenal Music (Always positives and negatives, but overall EXCELLENT set list and very beautiful music)
Phenomenal Journey (As always, it is what you make of it, and my journey this evening was exuberant!)
Phenomenal Show (I can’t complain at all. I loved the whole show experience. I consider myself lucky and can't wait till the next local hometown show
Phenomenal Amount of SF Police outside the venue at the end of the show! Wow, was that needed? I don’t think so. If the police could only work that hard to get rid of the bums in front of the Warfield, I could maybe stand outside for more than 2 minutes without being harassed for money or cigs or having awesome conversations so rudely interrupted. FRUSTRATING!!)
Oh, and can't forget the Phenomenal stream on live365.com (I’ve already listened to the show twice and I’m still listening. Thanks to all the tapers and TaperRob!)
Read every post. Listened to the stream. Sounds like the only practically unanimous bummer is when Mickey sings. It throws everything and everyone off, everytime. Pleaaaaaaaase pleeeeeeeease take the mic away from the brother, once and for all. It's really the last huge kink we need to iron out.
Phil?? Bobby??? Billy?? Yeah, Billy, c'mon man. Someone has the &&#&#^$ to do it. You'll be our hero.
Peace..thanks for the music....and thanks for the reviews guys.
Hey everybody. It was really cool meeting you zoners out there. The pre-show meal and conversations were great. The wine was fine and the vibes were awesome. You guys rule. The show was really good. There were postives and negatives reguarding the show and the lineup last night. First off, I was really happy to hear Althea. Bobby missed a few words but it was still great. I could tell Jimmy was having a good time playing it. He really digs that song. It was my first Althea, having missed it during the second leg of the tour in Wisconsin last summer. I also really dug the Round n Round. That was a big surprise. The first thing that hit me as the band got into MNS was how much I missed seeing Rob and Joan up there. It took me a little while to adjust to Warren being up there. Initially, the sound was pretty muddy. I couldn't hear Bobby's guitar at all. They eventually improved the sound and Bobby was coming through a lot clearer. Warren played some slide during the solo of MNS and I was starting to worry that it might turn into an Allman fest. Luckily, Warren only played slide for two songs during the whole show. Warren singing Terrapin was bittersweet. I was expecting Phil to step up to the mic but instead Warren sang one of the most heartfelt and beautiful renditions since Jerry sang the tune. The flip side to this was that I felt really bad for Phil. Reguardless of how good or bad people believe Phil sings, he only had a handful of songs he actually sang with the band last summer, and I'm afraid this means even less vocals from Phil. Warren did a beautiful job on this tune, but I will miss Phil singing it. Jeff played great stuff on the keys all night. Billy was unreal. Mickey over did it a bit on the vocals. Phil started off the show with some serious playing. I heard some bombs right away. Something else I noticed. Jimmy was playing more like he does when he is in Phil and Friends and less like he did with the Dead last summer. More blazing fast guitar shredding and less thought out, heartfelt playing than he had done just a month prior at the New Year's run. Not better or worse, just more like the PLQ approach to his guitar playing. Warren played some great solos when he didn't pick up the slide, very well thought out, very heartfelt and reminiscent of Jerry, but he only played a straight lead a couple of times last night. Also, I felt bad for Bobby last night too. He seemed to have a tough time trying to figure out where to fit into all this musical chaos. It seemed like all the chemistry Jimmy and Bobby built over the course of the last two tours started to deteriorate due to Warren being up there. Three guitars is too much imo. Warren was very restrained though, and he didn't play his guitar for much of the show. He would just add these little fills that made the sound a bit more aggresive and play a couple of slide solos and a couple of straight solos. Jimmy is definately the lead guitarist. I just hope he doesn't lose the approach he used last summer with the Dead. Whoever thought the Dead last summer was Dead lite, will probably like this lineup. This was the Dead with teeth. They had a more intense, heavier, in your face kind of sound last night. It should be interesting to see how it all plays out. They will definatley be playing different tunes this time out. More Brent tunes. More new covers. It should keep things fresh. I'm not convinced this was the best move for the band. The last lineup kept getting better with every show, and I'm sure this one will too, but they were really exploring the grooves with the last lineup. Just listen to the Scarlet>Fire from 12/30. You could hear them really taking it out there, experimenting with the coda during the transition jam. It took them two tours to get to the point that they could play like that, and now they are starting all over again. I also liked the fact that the Dead had its own identity last summer. It wasn't Phil and Friends, and it wasn't Ratdog. It was unique. This lineup is too much like Phil and Friends. I'll still go, and see as many shows as I can, and last night's show was really good, it just wasn't as good as the shows I saw with the last lineup. Joan and Rob will be missed. Warren will add something new and fresh to the mix, but it will take a while for them to get in the groove again. The last lineup was in a postition to take us places we hadn't been to before. This lineup feels like PLQ with Bobby and the Rythm Devils. Don't get me wrong. I'm really happy I went. The Warfield was great, the zoners were great, the show was really good, and I had a great time. The band is gonna need time to grow. It's unfortunate that they traded Joan and Rob for Warren, becuase I think last summer's lineup is where it's at. They had it all. Except for Warren. Now they have him and many of you will be very happy. I'll see as many shows as I can this summer, but I don't expect this lineup to capture the magic of last summer. Then again, I might be pleasantly surprised. Thanks for all the kindness and good vibes. See ya down the road.
I was there last night. It was god damn awsome. I really look forward to seeing how they develop with more practice. As for the throwing stone flubs... it seemed that Bob was distracted by Warren not playing it right. At one point Bob stoped mid verse as if to say 'what the fuck are you doing?'. Warren seemed to want to take it to jazzy places PLQ style. In my opinion, I would rather see them just play the songs as written and build the jams off of that. It is ok though, they will get better. I love this music!
bitch bitch bitch.
will anyone ever be happy that the boyz are back?
Joan this... Donna that...
Phil isn't dropping BOMBS!
Bobby is butchering the tunes.
Mickey is not MC Hammer.
Jimmy ISN"T Jerry.
Jeff ISN"T Brent.
Rob got the shaft.
WE still have a band that IS ! ! !
what I really meant to say is...
send me a audio show of this and I will tell you if it was piss in you ears.
email me at firstname.lastname@example.org.
and we can work it out
Bob having gear problems? Go fig.
>>>WE still have a band that IS ! ! !
I think it's kinda disrespectful of the artists to expect so little of them that you are just happy they are onstage. Like they are a travelling museum and not a viable musical group. These guys are artists capable of great things, and when I see them, I will critique it with the expectation that they are still able to play moving and grooving music. To "just be happy that we have a band at all" is pretty condescending.
Just got to say that I thought there was some good stuff played at the show but then again I was not there. The opener was pretty good but must say to follow up with Self Defense......THAT TUNE IMO JUST SUCKED!!!!! Do not want to second guess any one but handing the ball to Mickey at such a CRUCIAL moment was.....to put it mildly..A FU K NG DISASTER and an error in judgment!
Just my opinion.
I had a blast at this show and was grateful to have gotten a ticket to such a small venue. Being from upstate New York I'm used to shows at much larger venues. Crowded on the floor at the Warfield? Waa! Muffed lyrics???? Missed changes!!! Oh my God! Not at a Dead show. While the set list wasn't my idea of ideal it was not hard to live with. After 25 years of seeing shows I try hard to look beyond the set list and listen to the jams regardless of what song they are in. I thought that most of the jams were incredible and came out of the show feeling like I did have my mind blown."One man gathers what another man spills."
Wizard, the poster is yours!
>and Phil Lesh, now 62
Phil is 63 turning 64 3/15...
>Bob having gear problems? Go fig.
He needs to dump that VOX piece of shit and get a real amp.
Lots of phony tickets at The Dead show. It's one theing for those guys to charge over $50 for their rehearsal and quite another to get ripped off for hundreds of dollars for the same privalage. BTW...they had a multi camera video shot going...I can't see how they'd have anything releasable from that unrehersed extravaganza:
Look What You Get
By: Bruce Bellingham
There were so many counterfeit tickets to the Dead show at the Warfield Theater on Monday night that a small army of police was called in to keep order while agents from Ticketmaster checked the crowd for phony ones. The process was so slow that many fans had to wait on the sidewalk while the show went on inside. “At least a dozen of my friends got burned,” said Robert Larrison, the intrepid and observant bike messenger. “They had to go away with nothing because they got bum seats.” A lot of those counterfeit tickets were sold at scalper prices, adding to the general unhappiness…At least one person was arrested. “She got so freaked out about not getting in,” Robert reported, “That she tried to bust through the line --- and got busted herself.”
>>>>>You know what kind of strange...Those Alpine Valley shows might have been the best shows The Other Ones/The Dead have done and they were the first shows - sort of...they were tighter then...I think...when I go back and listen to those shows they really were quite good!
I was just talking about this yesterday. Personally, I think it was cause there was an energy there--they hadn't done this in a while and were psyched, they felt fresh, it was like a special occasion.
If I had my druthers, these guys would play in their own bands, and then get together every 18 months or so (whenever it felt right) for a special event series of shows.
I remember when Jerry died, I thought this was the end of the music as we knew it.
Ratdog was going to be the next best thing (ha).
Since his death, I have gone to countless (Dead/TOO/PLF) concerts, always with a sh-tty grin from ear-to-ear on my face after the shows. Not every show has been great from start-to-finish but none of the 90's GD shows were.
"believe it if you need it, if you don't just pass it on."
I loved every single minute of this show, especially the Bob and Phil parts. WOW!!!
Thanks Stage Shadow! You may have not seen my post earlier in this thread... But I too threw down that quote (believe it if you need it....") So we're on the same page for sure!
We all need to get togther as a community and get this board back to the positive side it once was! I do realize not every comment can always be positive... Hey I have a few grovels myself from time to time... But to see comments like "Bobby needs to shave his beard" or "this band is total shit now" is really meant for another forum IMO.
And again... Thanks to all of you that keep the positive vibe here! See ya this summer!
Anymore, it shouldn't surprise me, but I find it incredible how much bitching goes on in here. What the fuck do you people expect? Even in the good ol' days of the Good Ol' Grateful Dead, they didn't "hit one out of the park" on every occasion. (I do note, and am grateful that there are also a lot of folks here who don't share the negativity of the nay-sayers.) Hurrumph!
Monday night had some powerful playing and some true high moments, at least that's how it looked and sounded to me. Thanks again to the Zone; it is great to be able to listen to the show less than an hour after it concludes, and the audio stream reaffirmed for me the strength (and strangeness) of this show. It may not be the best show the band ever played, but it certainly wasn't the worst either. This version of the Dead has lots of raw power, as well as great experience and skill, and once they get on a roll they are going to seriously ROCK.
I do understand the crowding issues, and am glad that I wasn't down on the floor. But if so many people - who apparently aren't getting off on the music - didn't feel they had to show up regardless, well, then there might be room to dance. And if there weren't hundreds more hanging out front without a ticket, then perhaps we wouldn't find half the police riot squad there as well upon exiting the building.
My favorite band at this time in history is the Q, and I sure hope that they will be back around again. The Dead come in a close second. Frankly, I'll go whenever I can to see any concert where Phil Lesh is playing. Phil is in the driver's seat, and the most exalted of our wizards. I hope he keeps making music until he's 106, and THEN gets a third wind and plays on some more. Not sure if I can keep up with that level of energy, but I am sure going to try! And if Phil and company don't always get it "just exactly perfect" every time, I will cut them a bunch of slack, and be back again and again. Because they have gotten me so high, so many times, for so many years, and I am certain that they will do it again on many glorious occasions yet to come.
"Anymore, it shouldn't surprise me, but I find it incredible how much bitching goes on in here"
That used to bewilder me as well, but I think I understand it now. People get so upset at the dead (or related bands) becuase they love them. Its like being married. People in a relationship are usually MUCH harder on each other and have higher expectations for each other than they do for their friends. Its the same with the dead. For most people, some combination of these artists have given them extreme joy and they are really in love. When the band(s) dont play to their expectations it can be heart breaking.
"if so many people - who apparently aren't getting off on the music - didn't feel they had to show up regardless, well, then there might be room to dance."
Amen to that. During the first set we where next to these people who seemed to be in their mid-20s or so. They had the right hippy costumes but all they did was talk to each other through the entire set and barely paid atention to the music at all. I just dont get it. It was like they where at a bar.
"I'll go whenever I can to see any concert where Phil Lesh is playing"
Thats the way I look at it.
It's funny to me that if you didn't like the show, its not ok by some peeps. Guess what, I have an opinion and its different from yours...its ok. Bitching, whining, call it what you want, but when I read a review I prefer honest feedback. If people had a horrible time...I want to hear about it. If people had a fantastic time I want to hear about. I am thrilled some people had a great show...nothing could make me happier...honest...it just didn't do it for me. Am I spoiled by too many good shows in the past year..perhaps I am but that's what I am comparing it to. (Redrocks, PLQ warfield, hepcats, shoreline were all a blast for me).
I swear there are more people bitching on this board about other people bitching...
...and now I am one of them
Warren singing "Terrapin" could make me a convert. Now just let him handle the "Inspiration" part alone and play the outro on his wah like w/ Phil and we're talkin.
I seriously doubt anyone was referencing you. Your post really wasn't that negative really, you just stated that you didnt like the show. Nothing wrong with that. I think what Roarshock is talking about is people who are nasty or personal in their attacks. Some people are just flat out mean.
>>>>>You know what kind of strange...Those Alpine Valley shows might have been the best shows The Other Ones/The Dead have done and they were the first shows - sort of...they were tighter then...I think...when I go back and listen to those shows they really were quite good!
Anyone who questions this, just go back and listen to 8/4/02's Eyes, first jam. Rob takes the first solo and Weeeeeeeeee! the band takes off.. is smokin! on FIRE! They are light on their feet..a free-wheelin' vehicle of transcendence.. able to make smooth transitions and change direction at the drop of a dime while still managing not to sound heavy and bogged down..
In a way that just isn't present at all anymore..even last summer to a certain extent, and definitely isn't there today after hearing the audio of monday's show. Warren's presence, and Rob's departure has just about destroyed any chance of that, as well as the precious chemistry Jimmy, Rob, Bobby and Phil had evolved over the past year and a half, that can NEVER be replaced. Rob said it himself..
"After having done the reunion, the whole fall tour, and the whole first leg of the summer tour, those Red Rocks shows (last summer) were when the band finally learned how to play together as a band.
It would take years, and years of playing - if you listen to The Dead in '66, '67, '68, they're going through all of these changes, but the band hasn't really gelled. Now, remember that this is subjective. This is what I think. 1969 was the first year for me listening to all the tapes I've listened to where they finally came together as a band. Those Dark Stars in 1969 were masterful. The band finally realized its own power and was able to finally harness it. The same thing with this band. I think it's unfortunate that the line up has changed all of a sudden, because I think that given another year, it finally would've gelled. Now, it's got to go through a learning curve again."
'What?' would prompt the surviving members to make such a drastic move, and throw away all of that valuable energy, experience and evolution so quickly like it was nothing - and go back to square one w/ a player that can't quite keep pace, will hinder their development immensely and keep them from evolving nearly as fast as the previous line-up was able to - especially at such a crucial time, considering the age of one of the most key components (64)..is a question that boggles the mind..
and will haunt mine for years to come.
You know it's strange.. but since the hasty, impulsive shakeup of this band..and after listening to monday's show, not even a small trace of that magical vibe exists anymore..
>and go back to square one w/ a player that can't quite keep pace, will hinder their development immensely and keep them from evolving
are you talking about bobby? bwahahahaha. i'm kidding, of course. sort of.
Nice analogy Wizard about the relationship we have with the dead...and I've been married for about as long as I've been into the Dead. Doesn't mean that we stop making love just cause, um, it ...you know. Don't need to go on and fake it either. Would be alot easier if love were truely blind.
>>not even a small trace of that magical vibe exists anymore..
Warren flew in the night before man. Go listen to 2/14/03 - very similiar. At least give it a shot. Jimmy and Warren and Phil, along with Bobby will find a path - albeit a different one.
The band rehearsed the day before and the day of the show at the theater. That doesn't allow for a lot of time to find out where everyones plce is in the arrangements of each song. And remember, the arrangements are different (and the keys at times) from the P&F ones.
You people make me sick....Bitch.....
Bitch...Bitch.Please stay home next time so it wont be so crowed and you wont be so bored and unhappy. Warren had been playing right up till Sunday and flew in for this show and probably no rehersal. This band will fly high after a few shows together. This bitch session started in the early 90's and hasnt stopped. What happen to positive vibes and appreciation of the remaining members trying to keep this spirit alive, when so many of you are tearing it down.
"your gonna miss me when Im gone."
I agree. I also think that it must be said that this will not be the permanent lineup. It can't be. Just look at Warren's schedule. He already has Gov't Mule, The Allman Bros, P&F, and now the Dead. He also sits in with just about everyone in the world. I can guarantee that if things are not going good, he will not stick around. There is SO much other music that he could be making, that he isn't gonna hang out for some Phil vs. Bob drama. Personally, i just don't see him "growing" in this role as he doesn't have the musical freedom that he has with his other bands. If they lose Warren, what will they do? Bring Rob back? I just can't see this lineup playing together that much. But these are all just my opinions.
Warren's with the Dead in lieu of Phil And Friends. He's making a pretty penny to do it, too. I'm one of the biggest ABB fans around, but I don't see that band being the road warriors they've been in the past. In fact, their end may be sooner than we realize. Shame. I want more Mule, personally, but I also love what Warren infuses into the Dead's music. I still think this summer is gonna absolutely smolder.
>What happen to positive vibes and
>we wouldn't find half the police riot squad there as well upon exiting the building.
nah, it's gavin newsom's san francisco now baby--if yer not buying plumpjack vino and drinkin' it as his restaurant or cafe--yer gonna have problems....he was elected to clean up the junkie mess....
it wasn't the "greatest" show i'd ever seen, indeed. but I did have a GREAT time going there. I was psyched to finally find a ticket, and just glad to see them play in the warfield. I went to last years warfield show too and thought that one was much better, or at least had much more energy. But, that said, Monday night was more "musical" than last years show i thought. the turning point for me was when phil and billy did their solo. they started playing and locking in right away. it almost looked like they were just hanging out at their rehearsal hall. it was so spontaneous and cool. jimmy walked up with his guitar, but could tell they were starting to go someplace with their playing, so he held off a bit longer before he joined in. you could see him step up, and then kind of back off for a few more minutes. the jams i thought also had some great moments. the vibe of the show, as people have mentioned here, was pretty slow. which was on one hand a drag, but once i got into it, it was kind of cool. a much different feel than the New Years shows and I kind of liked that. But what I liked the most about it, and all the shows i've seen (Grateful Dead, TOO, Dead, Ratdog, etc) is the COMMUNITY aspect of it. Phil mentioned that again after his donor rap about how great it is that there is this communtiy. And I must say that no matter how good/bad a particular show is I'm always glad to be at a Dead show rather than almost any other concert because it's just great to hang with all the rest of you/us and approach all the music like car enthusiasts at a summer picnic; hearing about other great shows, being able to look at someone and see them also get excited when a song is really smokin', hearing people talk about their trip to get their, etc. Put all of that together and even if the show has slow spots, or bobby doesn't sing Althea super awesome, I still come away from ALL their shows feeling a whole lot better than i did when i went in. So that's sort of my review. Also, I was freaked out (in a very good way) by how much warren sounded like Brent during "just a little light." I felt i was at a show 15 years earlier.
now, if chimenti would only start playing that Hammond more.....
Let me preface my remarks by saying this was my first show since Jerry died. I went in with an open mind, but left wondering if that was all there is. While it was fun at times, it reinforced my basic belief that they will never come close to what they had. Jerry was the heart and soul of the band and if there was magic to be created on any given night, he was always in the middle of it.
Last night felt more like a concert by the Phil Allman Band and at times, they sounded more like a Dead cover band than the real thing. There was way too much jamming that didn't go anywhere. It was if they were all waiting for someone to take charge and no one did.
But there were also some good moments when it really rocked. The first song was great and if they had kept up that energy, it would have been quite a night. But it was a pretty weak set list and felt more like a rehersal. They obviously could have used some more practice.
I think this was the first time Haynes and Herring have played together with the whole band and much like sports, it takes a while for a team to jell with new players in the starting line-up. Plus, Jerry was like a superstar who's so good that he can not only dominate a game, but make his teammates better, too.
I'm glad I came out of retirement to see a show, but standing for 4.5 hours in a crowded theater for that level of performance isn't my idea of a good time. Plus, there was so much secondhand smoke in there that the EPA would have listed it as Hazardous Air Quality.
To put it in perspective, it's great that these guys are still cranking out the music thirty-something years after it all began. Things change, life goes on and fortunately, the music never stops. But it will be a while before I go to see a show again and meanwhile, thank goodness for those decades of tapes!
it was interesting to hear the perspective of the "predrums drama" from the folks in the balcony; i was on the wall in front of jimmy and from there it only looked like bobby was mildly ruffled about not playing another tune before drums... not actually pissed. I saw him wave his arms and walk off but it didnt seem like anything more than bob being bob (overly dramatic)?
who was at the P+F NYE 01-02 and remembers the weird scene with warren walking off stage when weir insisted on going into sugar mags instead of (? cant remember)...glad to see that they seem chummy now
someone earlier said it right though- i dont see warren sticking around for long if theres alot of squabbling ...hornsby has pointed to the infighting as one of the reasons why he's "not interested" ...oh well.
just hope there are more than 3 token shows out here this yr- i think the "new" band will gel rapidly and be ripping it up on a nightly basis this summer. either way ill be there- cant wait!
I've read the words "permanent line-up" a couple of times in this thread, but it seems to me there won't ever be a "permanent Line-up" again. Just the core 4 and whoever they feel like playing with at that time. It kind of makes sense in that the reason Phil got the whole P&F's concept going was because he wanted to explore this material with lots of different musicians using their fresh perspectives on the music to help him aproach it in new ways. It won't always be great but they know what they are doing. Just remember
"In Phil We Trust"
>>Last night felt more like a concert by the Phil Allman Band
THIS is what 'The Dead' has been reduced to.
All in all it was a great show and this band should gel as they play more with each other. I still prefer PLQ though.
Tried to post rite after the show with the fresh untainted memory but the site was down. so here it is after another episode of "24" and the "OC". the floor was way too crowded, did people make a bunch of fake tix's or somethin?normally i can make space easily but the show was to mellow to go bumpin someone outta the way during Althea or Stella Blue, or Friend of the Devil, or or or... i actually waited mundanely in the long ass line all the way down the block in front of the theatre to get in so we missed MNS. The UNbroken Chain was truly Awesome---(went to church on mon this week). I'm psyched about the Dead ver2.1. I left during the end of Round & Round to insure receiving a poster. Here is a link to view it.
Dear Mr. Waves,
>What would prompt the surviving members to make such a drastic move and throw away all of that valuable energy....and go back to square one with a player that can't keep pace, will hinder there developement immensly and keep them from evolving..at such a crucial time...considering the age of one of the key components(64)....Blah Blah Blah>
Man I find it hard to contain myself here after reading such Bull Shit.
I can only presume you are talking about Warren as the new member who can not keep up and will hinder the developement of this band. ( If I am wrong I do apologize in advance) DUDE...YOU BEEN LIVING UNDER A ROCK OR SOMETHING. HAVE YOU BEEN HIDING IN YOUR CLOSET WEARING YOUR SISTERS PANTIES. WHAT WOULD PROMPT THE INVITATION TO JOIN THIS BAND IS PROBABLY A SUGESTION FROM THAT 64 YEAR OLD GUY (as well as other surviving band members)......YOU MAY KNOW OF HIM HIS NAME IS PHIL LESH, THE METHUSELAH OF WHAT THIS MUSIC IS ALL ABOUT. I GUESS PHIL THOUGHT HE MAY BRING TO THE DEAD WHAT HE HAD BROUGHT TO THE Q. INCREDIBLE TALENT, ENERGY, BRILLIANT VOCALS, AND A TRUE WORKAHOLIC ETHIC ON THE GUITAR NOT TO MENTION GREAT MATERIAL WHICH HAD CONTRIBUTED TO THIS BEING ONE OF THE BEST BANDS AROUND. GRANTED THAT PERHAPS FEB 9 WAS NOT A CLASSIC OR A GREAT SHOW BUT TO MAKE A JUDGEMENT OR A STATEMENT AS YOU DID BASED ON PLAYING TOGETHER AS A BAND FOR WHAT, A FEW DAYS IF THAT, IS ASSININE. SORRY DUDE BUT I THINK YOU MUST PUT A LITTLE MORE THOUGHT INTO POSTING. WHAT YOU POSTED IS PERHAPS A KNEE JERK REACTION. I HOPE IT IS ANY WAY.
THIS BAND IS LIKE A FINE WINE, A HABANO CIGAR OR A SINGLE MALT. THE PROCESS FOR REFINEMENT CAN NOT BE RUSHED. IT WILL SURELY GET BETTER WITH AGE.
And in respect to the magical vibe that does not exixt any more.....well dude...It was just one show..(Not Every day is Christmas) and am sure that vibe was there but your pesimistic view clouded your vision.
Perhaps you need a new pair of glasses.. and while your at it try and get the cotton out of your ears. There was some good leads and great moments by the band as well as Jimmy and Warren.
God Bless America and the Dead and ...
LONG LIVE THE Q.
OH YES AND ONE LAST THING THERE MR. WAVES,
And you drink the wine no matter how bad it tastes. After a few glasses, maybe it doesn't really taste so bad, especially since everyone else says it's supposed to be so delicious.
The wine tastes somewhat like licorice. Not everyone likes licorice, but those who do like licorice, really like licorice.
Setlist stunk, transitions werent always great, but I gotta say this band as a whole sounds a heck of alot better than last years. I was bored to tears by last years band, I'm sorry. To me, despite the mellow setlist, it was never boring. Terrapin is a song I've NEVER liked, but I was even digging that while hearing it. GIVE IT SOME FRICKIN TIME.
i can't wait for Red Rocks when all of the flow comes together.
everyone worried about the permanent line up, take it for what it is now because we are closer to the end than the beginning. in a few years, we will all be missing the entire situation, enjoy it while you can. if you are judging everything by one show, then the Greatful Dead and even JGB must have sucked as well in your opinion. it's only one show. get over it.
to all the people talking this band down, let all of us know when you try to do something new for the first time so we can all watch and then tell you how much you suck afterwards. or maybe even put YOUR music up for all of us to judge and rip apart. then maybe you will temper your posts with a little more thought and understanding. selah.
I guess. Is that going to be the answer all year? "Well, they need time to gel", uh uh "Every show can't be the greatest", er uh "They are like a fine wine", er er uh.........
I think that most of the people criticizing the band have been to a show or 50. I am pretty sure that people aren't trying to be jerks and put down the band when they write "negative" comments. People are simply giving their opinion, and it's funny to see people shoot them down for no reason. Look, we ALL love the boyz but there is obviously some problems. I think that everyone who was at the show on Monday was going with the intent to have a good time. I don't think anyone went with the intent to find fault. I know that i didn't drive 200 miles to the warfied so i could criticize the band. But when the same problems keep occuring with this group (Phil vs. Bob) you have to ask yourself; will things change? Will things get better? They might, i don't know. But right now, in my opinion, they have NO musical direction due to the obvious infighting; and i see no end to that in sight. I love the boyz, and i hope that they don't settle for mediocrity; because they are better than that and we all know it.
>>they have NO musical direction due to the obvious infighting;
What infighting are you referring to? Was there an argument on stage that I missed?
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When i said infighting, i was referring to musically. Whether it is Bobby getting pissed at Phil for going into drumz while Bobby wanted to play another song, or Phil shooting Bobby dirty looks for cutting a jam short. Or December 0f 2002 at the Kaiser when Bobby actually sat down during a jam cuz he was pissed at Phil for the direction of a song/jam. Maybe that's why Bruce Hornsby won't play with them. Too much drama. The shows ARE fun, but there is a lack of musical direction in my opinion.
I am a man with a vision (or I think I am). I believe this band will provide great results and tremendous satisfaction. It is not the band of 2003. I liked a lot of the music they did last year with Joan. But this show, with Warren, even what many called a weak show, was IMHO, musically very INOVATIVE. It was not a great show by any means(and perhaps a bit lacking in MANY RESPECTS) but that is the result of a work in progress..a metamorphasis( spell check!). Warren did not step up to the mike all that much like he did with the Q because he respects Jimmy and his lead role but given the freedom and the flexibility and the practice he will contribute to taking this band and the Phans to familiar territory and perhaps to another level. I really hope you all will give him the chance.
Nancy....that line about the wine not tasting bad.....was that from "fiddler on the roof"...LOL
or were you taking the piss out of me?
Guess so. Sorry.
All i know is that i seen a little anamosity up there on stage but For a first time in San Fran and the Warfield, what an amazing experience. It was amazing to see them where it all began. Born a generation too late? I guess so, or maybe this is our time. Lets help em make it rock, because this is all we have to hold onto - and they did a hella job puttin it togeather for us. It was Grate to see and be with you all. Hope to see you on summer tour. Till then Peace, Love and Stay safe.. PS it was nice to not hear Joan sing Jerrys tunes, It got a little weir up there but hells yeah.. Rock on boys. Sean from Long Island, New york _ From Sea 2 shining Sea_ in 38 hours................
Thats cool Nancy.....you were there......but at least we can agree to perhaps...disagree ....a little bit.
And not for nothing Nancy but you are right the show "as a whole" did stink....kind of!
Have a good day.
Kenny, It doesn't really matter what you or I think about all this anyway. So what if you liked it, or I didn't? The only thing that I think stinks is conformity.
>>>Whether it is Bobby getting pissed at Phil for going into drumz while Bobby wanted to play another song, or Phil shooting Bobby dirty looks for cutting a jam short.
C'mon. We're interpreting looks and movements on stage now? Give that a rest. Theere are no wrong directions when on stage with the dead and I highly doubt one of them would be pissed about it.
Just go to the show and have fun. All this stuff is just a waste of time, IMO.
I was merely pointing out that there were problems with the musical direction. You don't think Phil gets pissed when Bobby cuts a jam short? He does, because it's noticeable. I've seen it. I am not at the show to critique facial expressions, but when something is obvious like that, it's hard to ignore. Like Bobby sitting down mid-jam at the Kaiser last year. That was a little noticeable.
I love all the talk of "Just go and have a good time and don't worry about it". Everyone has opinions, and they are all valid. We have all seen the boyz many times and i think that if someone on this board has a comment, it should be heard and not disregarded just because it may not be overwhelmingly positive.
>>>>All this stuff is just a waste of time, IMO
That's why we're here!
From everything I've read I'm glad I saved my cash. But doing something new for the first time can be ruff. So far the first version TOO to me was the best. The Sax,and Bruce. I'd like to see The sax player and Bruce with them now Minis Jeff.
Never was a fan of Kimock and was very happy to see him leave the Q. But for years now the Q has been the best thing going in my book. I personal thing the Q is better than the dead in 94 & 95. But I will always LOVE and MISS JERRY.
LONG LIVE THE Q!!!!!!!!!!!!
>>>was merely pointing out that there were problems with the musical direction.
Lets give them at least more than 1 show to judge their musical direction or if someone is unhappy about it onstage for more than dirty look.
>>Lets give them at least more than 1 show to judge their musical direction
lets see... the core 4 have been playing together since the late 60's.....
the lineup of Phil, Bobby, Billy, Mickey, Jimmy and Jeff have been playing together since 8/2/02.....
they have had plenty of shows to get their musical direction together
on the bus ? or off?
Taperrob - thanks for the impressive info. Now really impress me and tell me the # of shows that group has played with Warren Haynes as a unit. Just those 7 musicians, say, since 8/03/02.
Warren Haynes is the is the strongest vocally and with the ax in the bunch and adding him may just take some time for all to gel.
>>>let's see... the core 4 have been playing together since the late 60's.....
actually 1966 is the mid-60's. Just so you have your info correct.
>>they have had plenty of shows to get their musical direction together
Whenever you add another musician it changes the dynamic.
maybe this is the outfit that can take "Soulshine" into the Top 40 with the bullet!!
I BT,ed the 1st set and I thought it was pretty good although during MNS,ed the slide DID sound like the Allman dead brothers band. Overall Not to bad of a 1st set. 1st time hearing Self Defense and the jam was great,but BABA Jingo sounding,and I like the heavier sound.I think this band will rock this summer.
Not only a good point Negman but the crucial point to mention when discussing the non stellar show and questionable song selection.
The Q are great for many a reason and a key ingrediant to that greatness is Warren.
I believe we will be saying the same in respect to the Dead by years end.
>>>>>>let's see... the core 4 have been playing together since the late 60's.....
actually 1966 is the mid-60's. Just so you have your info correct.
opps my mistake.. should have read "the core 4 have been playing together on and off since the late 60's"
and i say late 60's since Mickey didnt show up until late in 67..
and the band was formed in 65, not 66... just so you have YOUR info correct.
but with regard to the "musical direction", my meaning on that comment was that the band sans Warren have been playing together since 2002.. the direction should already be established.... read the Barraco interview.. they hit their stride at Red Rocks last year
to Richies comment on the dynamic change with a new musician added, yes i agree, but Warren has played with Phil and Bobby and Jeff and Jimmy.... Warren has played with everyone.... he knows most of the music already
just watching him during the show, he was more into listening and adding to the mix rather than playing like he does in the Q, except for the times he was thrown the lead parts....
i had no problem with the show as a whole (read review earlier on in this thread). problems i did have with it had nothing to do with Warrens playing....
btw, B&P ready for the show:
>>he knows most of the music already
Yes, but the Dead have different arrangements, tempos and even keys for the tunes from PLQ.
LIke I posted in the rumors section in response to: >>" I'd rather see Warren take on this important music than 3 of the 'core 4'"<<
Great Brian. Another Zoner just looking for a great cover band.. Many of you here have BIZARRE reasoning at best for this new lineup.. These are Bobby & Phil's songs. They have the emotion & storied history to sing these songs with THE FULL INTENT.. Not some golden throat coming in to cover a great song. FUCK, GET MICHEAL BOLTEN IN THERE!!!
You people are missing the true essence of these songs. THEY MUST be sung by the legends that lived them. >>" I'd rather see Warren take on this important music than 3 of the 'core 4'"<< IS THE DUMBEST THING I HAVE EVER HEARD IN THIS COMMUNITY...EVER!!!!!!
Go tour with DSO if ya wanna hear textbook Grateful Dead songs..
I don't give a fuck what ya'll think, but seeing Bobby & Phil sing some of these tunes is a beautiful thing. Phil does butcher a tune or 5. But the INTENTIONS ARE PRICELESS and DEEEEEEP! They're not simpley reciting lyrics, they are reciting THEIR LIVES!! Bobby singing Althea or Birdsong or Standing on the Moon, etc. is EXACTLY how to HONOR these CLASSICS...
It's time for many of you to get off the bus & join your favorite cover band's short bus.. The BIG bus contains a rich history & CANNOT be mimicked!!!!
I enjoyed the Warfield. BUT IT WAS WAAAAAAAY to thick. My biggest fear come true. This music needs space, PERIOD! You cannot achieve the "Dead sound" with 3 guitars. One being Warren's southern fried LOUD guitar. Too much shit going on.. We call it CLUSTER FUCK. and that's exacgtly what we got here now.. BUMMER.
I'll be out there this summer, looking for magic, goddamn right!
This is only my second posting, I just got started after the recent Warfield show. Been enjoying the in-depth analysis, man, do you guys take this seriously!
I used a sports analogy in my last post, saying that it takes time for a new line-up to jell. I also said that Jerry was a superstar who could not only dominate a game, but made his teammates better. That said, he's gone, just like Michael Jordan (except Jerry's not out playing golf and making Nike commercials).
This is a new team, with no one All-Star, but lots of good players. The original Dead core is still solid, but definitely older veterans, which means wiser, but not with as much raw energy and vitality. The new guys are younger (do you notice that Herring, Haynes and Chimenti all have long hair, while the boys have gone short?) and fresher and bring a different perspective and experience the music. How old were they in the Sixties when this all began?
For this team to be a success, they need to figure out their respective roles, as well as their strengths and weaknesses. There are no superstars here, but there are some damn good musicians and since we're talking in sports metaphors, a cohesive, balanced team that plays together and supports each other can often go even further than a bunch of superstars who don't understand the team concept.
That said, I thought Warren's singing was excellent, so why not let him use those pipes? Let the best man step up for whatever song. As for three guitars being too many, my take is that Bobby is the weak link, so let him play rhythm and sing, rather than try to keep up with two hot cats who are in a whole other league.
In my earlier post, I referred to the Phil Allman Band, which some took as a putdown. I want to clarify that. I LOVED the original Allman Brothers, the combination of Duane and Dicky was just plain awesome. But that was a different sound and this is the Dead, so that sort of "dueling guitars" will take a while to come together under the Dead umbrella. And given a choice of Herring solo or Herring and Haynes together, c'mon, that's a no brainer. Let them push the envelope and see how high it can go!
This being my first show in ten years (more?), I finally realize that the Jerry days are gone and nothing's going to bring him back. The Warfield show wasn't magic, more like an expensive rehersal, but it showed that these guys have some real potential. As for the "infighting," every team has its squabbles, that's why they need a leader to step up. Then again, how about a coach? Can't you see him signaling for a time out during a ragged jam or calling out songs from the sideline? Plus, they'd have to practice! Maybe I should send in a resume.
Anyway, let's see where this team goes in the playoffs come this spring and summer. The good news is that rather than sit around in their Laz'Y Boy recliners enjoying their retirement and grandchildren, they're still out there making music. I'd say a more appropriate name might be Not Dead Yet!
These guys are going to win the Superbowl I think, although Mickey's vocals are like a failed 2 point conversion, IMO.
>>This is a new team, with no one All-Star, but lots of good players
Phil isn't an All Star?
Hey, going back to Warren being a permanent member and all, the abb only play about 50 shows a year and this is the first time I can remember them not adding shows to the beacon run, but if anything would stop him it would be full heads on commitment to the mule imo, that may or may not be without Woody, I heard people ask him about his continued involvment with Phil and the ABB while trying to do his own thing with the Mule and he always says it's for the good cause. I for one would like to see him a permanent member for the forseable future and watch and hear the progression. I am a big ABB fan and I don't think they would be around right now if it wasn't for Warren, give the man time he will not disappoint. peace
Upon reflection, I think Phil is an All-Star, but bass players are the blue-collar type players on a team, not the lead scorers.
"As for three guitars being too many, my take is that Bobby is the weak link, so let him play rhythm"
Bob has never been just a rhthymn guitarist. I consider him an accent guitarist. He adds weird splashes of colors to the picture. He can be weak sometimes but under-amplified is more often the problem.
I loved this show, it was wonderful!!!! I went up there with my Dad and ended up having a great time, here is my review. Got the tickets from the Unbroken Chain people who were all very kind. We went to Subway about a block away from the show right before and then we were off to the line that stretched around the corner. Once inside we got some souvenirs and went to are seats which were front for lower lodge (THANK YOU UNBROKEN CHAIN FOUNDATION)
The entire show was a blast with everything sounding very good, Warren seemed to add a spark to the entire band. As "The Music Never Stoped" was in its ending I knew that the show was special. The entire set was magnificent especially "Althea" which had a haunting guitar tone. "West LA Fadaway" was done so well by Bob Weir it was incredible how well he can do that one. Warren sang songs with conviction and so did everyone else, I am very glad Warren is in the Dead.
The second set opened with JUST Bob Weir on acoustic guitar doing the into and the band joined him after a few minutes and then during the middle of the song he changes to an electric guitar. "Friend" was a strong version and is was followed by a treat "Lost Sailer">>"Saint of Circumstance" it did not disappoint and Bob Weir sang it well to. Next came a MONSTER "Tarrapin Station" once again sang by Warren, this one goes above and beyond as far as "Terrapin's" go and once again Warren uses his STRONG vocals and guitar playing to capture the audiences attention.
One thing I really liked about this performance was the mix, it was awesome. I could hear Bob Weirs guitar, Warren's, Jimmy's, Phil's bass, the keys and drums all at once. It also seemed like Bob Weir had more room then usual which I am into.
BTW Phil Bob and the drummers did a jam for awhile after "Drums" which was cool. After "Drums" and "Space" comes what may be the best "Unbrocken Chain" ever!! It was played indescribable well with Phil in a strong voice and played well and with both Jimmy and Warren plugging away at it to make it a definite highlight of the show. Phil last solo of this is unforgettable. "Stella Blue" captured my eyes and made me realize just how good Warren really is. He took the audience by storm capturing everyone’s attention. It was played well and sang well, get the tape, you need to hear this to believe just how good it was. "Throwing Stones" was a rocking thing if there ever was one, but the real surprise (at least to me that is) was how good "Around and Around" was, it rocked harder then any version I have heard. Again Warren had a presence that everyone there knew about. Seeing the Dead with Warren was just unreal, the rest of the band played and sang well but to me Warren stood out among the crowd of long time veterans. Bob Weir sang "Around and Around" acting as if he were still 20 again. It came off tremendously well to!!!
The crowd went crazy for several minutes before Phil came out to give a donor rap that was heart felt. None in the building expected what came next "Madman Across the River" an Elton John tune, the Dead played the heck out of it way better then Elton could have even dreamed of doing on his best day. He another encore was what I was thinking, WOW, "IkO iKo" bounces along and is a nice little sing along. No way a 3rd encore, but the crowd was going nuts so we got 3. "Not Fadaway" sizzles. The crowd is going bananas and at that point I now felt confident that the Dead were rocking again.
I was very impressed with this show and could go on forever about how darn good it was. The best advice I could give you is to get the tape, you will not be disappointed!
>>Upon reflection, I think Phil is an All-Star, but bass players are the blue-collar type players on a team, not the lead scorers.
Except in Phil's case...and Victor Wooten, Charles Mingus, Bootsy Collins, etc.
Ron, thanks for a very good review. I enjoyed reading your thoughts on the matter.
since alpine valley with TOO, everything's been downhill starting slowly but suddenly spiraling downward with breakneck speed. this setlist from 2/14/04 sucked and i think it's time we all unite and get off the bus. that will spark this band who's abusing us for our loyalty back into reality. let us all sing loud and clear: FUCK LOST SAILOR and all the other other crap they played at the warfield. a far cry from 3/29/83 huh guys.
"i think it's time we all unite and get off the bus"
You go first. :-) Opinions! Opinions!
>>Man I find it hard to contain myself here after reading such Bull Shit.
>>I can only presume you are talking about Warren as the new member who can not keep up and will hinder the developement of this band. ( If I am wrong I do apologize in advance) DUDE...YOU BEEN LIVING UNDER A ROCK OR SOMETHING. HAVE YOU BEEN HIDING IN YOUR CLOSET WEARING YOUR SISTERS PANTIES. WHAT WOULD PROMPT THE INVITATION TO JOIN THIS BAND IS PROBABLY A SUGESTION FROM THAT 64 YEAR OLD GUY (as well as other surviving band members)......YOU MAY KNOW OF HIM HIS NAME IS PHIL LESH, THE METHUSELAH OF WHAT THIS MUSIC IS ALL ABOUT. I GUESS PHIL THOUGHT HE MAY BRING TO THE DEAD WHAT HE HAD BROUGHT TO THE Q. INCREDIBLE TALENT, ENERGY, BRILLIANT VOCALS, AND A TRUE WORKAHOLIC ETHIC ON THE GUITAR NOT TO MENTION GREAT MATERIAL WHICH HAD CONTRIBUTED TO THIS BEING ONE OF THE BEST BANDS AROUND. GRANTED THAT PERHAPS FEB 9 WAS NOT A CLASSIC OR A GREAT SHOW BUT TO MAKE A JUDGEMENT OR A STATEMENT AS YOU DID BASED ON PLAYING TOGETHER AS A BAND FOR WHAT, A FEW DAYS IF THAT, IS ASSININE. SORRY DUDE BUT I THINK YOU MUST PUT A LITTLE MORE THOUGHT INTO POSTING. WHAT YOU POSTED IS PERHAPS A KNEE JERK REACTION. I HOPE IT IS ANY WAY.
Kenny, dude, it's only rock and Roll. Relax.
I really like Jimmy's playin but when I listen to shows like GD 10/20/89 as an example and listen to Jerry's jams in Estimated>Terrapin it's nights like those I really miss. Jimmy needs to take the noodling to a new high. Use those sounds Jerry liked to play with our heads so much. Hang on to the note and let it melt. Noodling's good but to noodle around the noodle, we'd be talkin some serious sheite.
Just my 2 cents.
>>It's only rock and roll<<
....BUT I LIKE IT!
Be cool whitman,
Thanks Warren for being there!
Anyone party at Lee's after the Spac last year?
What a party!
I was laughin' my nuts off for weeks after that.
Let's doo it again!
I got a bunk ticket out side before the show
i was real bumbed
i herd a lot of people did
What kind of a draw do you think this version of the dead will have? Sheds or Madisan Square Garden level. The Allmans are only doing 10 shows at the Beacon and they get a 3 week or so spot in July but they can't come close to filling a shed these days. I can't see how this situation would work with cobilling with the dead. Phil and friend yea but the dead are much bigger.