Right across the side street from the Philmore is Sancho's Broken Arrow. A nice Dead bar. Get there early, though, because it gats PACKED!
Good spot for music after Fridays show is Quixote's True Blue for Zigaboo Modeliste (original Meters drummer). 7 S. Broadway. Probably cost you $3 for a cab from the Fillmore.
i have a pair of tickets for both denver shows and unfortunately i can't make it into town- first request gets em at face
What a show,things got started with a short but sweet jam,right into masons children.Good show starter I think.The jam after had hints of dark star if I remember right,and boom right into birdsong.A good version,Phil sounded a little reserved,the altitude you know.But in this man's veiw the show realy started with Midnight train.Rockin',I realy like Warren singing this tune.The sitting on top of the world was wonderful to hear,and the crowd went CRAZY!This song with it's cumberland overtones is goin' to be a rocker for sure.Taste like wine is a song I've wanted to hear for a while,and like I thought it also rocked.Here comes sunshine,warmed my soul,like the sun coming thru the clouds on a cold winter morning.The second set started with a cool little jam,into cryptical,not a long jam after but good.The wharfrat was nice to hear,right after a wharfrat meeting.Next was a meaty Otherone,with Mr.Trucks up there.At times it seemed like it was hard to turn corners,but when they did WOW!St.Stephen>darkstar>the eleven>darkstar what can I say!!!The stella blue was steller,the three guitars really worked on this one "comes cryin' like the wind".The fillmore has a curfue at 11pm on week nights so they played a fast celebration,but I love this song anyway its played.All-n-all a fantastic show,can't wait till tommorow and in vail.Thanks PHIL
I was ,oh 10 feet from Warren during tonight's unbelievable performance at the Denver Fillmore. Beautiful venue - extra points for the chandelliers and the stocked bars and the photos of past performers on the walls and the dozens of cute girls in attendance- if you were there you know what i mean!! No lot scene except the deadhead bar next door which was too crowded to get into. Lots of friendly folk - made some friends - but everyone out here seems to be wrapped up in string cheese!! Anyway - the second set was as good as it looks - except Derek was NOT there for the encore like the setlist says. Derek played along side Jimmy and it was like the teacher and the pupil. Although Derek needed no tutoring. They ripped the place apart and Warren's Stella Blue really touched a chord with the audience. They never really started or ended The Other One which leads me to believe that it may return this weekend. And they did not sing the newer plq version of it(see 11/17/01 Stabler). Tastes like Wine was a first set highlight - Warren seemed to put extra effort into it. And although it doesn't seem to get people excited, Midnight Train was played very well and it really fininshes strong. But the night belonged to the Second Set. The Wharf Rat was great. The Other One, which was teased in the first set, was dropped on our laps with no Phil bassline to lead in. And then it dissappeared. The St. Stephen was a surprise and it smoked. the Dark Star was tasty but they fumbled around a little at the beginning of it. And then The Eleven and then Dark Star again and I really can't describe it but you could imagine.............read the setlist for the details - i'm sure i missed stuff-i'm a little smoky in here. can't wait till today!!!
Great show. First set never got me going too well - I was pleased with the Mason's Children>Bird Song, but after that it was so-so. They definitely were leading up to the second set tonight. The only gripe I had was the lack of phil's great intro to the Other One - no bombs, though he dug in a few times later in the set to make up for it. Can't wait for tomorrow.
Sounds sweet. I'm so happy you got to hear HCSS, a must for spring tour. & Sitten on Top of The World! I can't wait to hear that!!! Thanks for the fast reviews guys. sweet dreams..
Now...THAT'S a show!
Makes the rest on the tour PALE in comparison!
And THAT'S been the point all along!
Not that I want to get in the middle...
It does look like the best set list so far...
HCSS To end a first set.....
This had to Rock
Good first set, solid second set, but man, Celebration is not an enore, IMO. Took the wind out of the sails a bit. I also was right in front of Warren, sounded good, set two was pretty jammin. All in all a good night, The Sittin on top of the world was a treat for me. Has that boogie woogie feel Barraco seems to like. The vibe was a bit subdude, I think the energy will be very bouncy tonight.
Best lookin setlist so far, hands down, by about a mile. Man I wish I was there!!
i agree about celebration for the encore. i love the song but when they encored that in philly 4/28/01 i fell down a little bit.
How about a little more info on Derek? Did he take any killer solos? With all the rumors about him and Panic floating around, must have been something going on in that young man's head.
OK. I'm still digesting the experience on just a few hours sleep, but I'll try to get my fingers and brain in sync for a few moments.
The beauty of the Grateful Dead is that they could be so many bands, from year to year, tour to tour, show to show and even set to set. Last night at the Fillmore, Phil paid his respects to the old school. Save for the new songs, no song played had been added to the repertoire later than 1973. In other words, all the GD songs played were older than many of the new folks in attendance. Just as an aside, I'm so thankful that young people can still be turned on to the Grateful Dead vibe after all these years and after the seeming end of the line that came in 1995. I love seeing the kids shake their bones and having their minds blown. And the fact that they get it in the same friendly, open atmosphere that many of us remember before the Dead got huge is just a blessing.
Nice jam into Mason's Children to open. Love the song. Always have. Never thought I'd see it live, and now Phil has breathed such life into it. My son is named Mason, and the song has another level of meaning for that. Mighty man, indeed! Birdsong is such a beautiful elegy to loss and transition and so appropriate in these troubled times. Personally, I prefer a little more uptempo reading of it, but that's just me. I was close enough to the stage to see Phil's "I Miss Jerry" sticker on his cabinet. That says it all, really. I enjoyed Midnight Train, though I wasn't familiar with it. I truly respect Phil and the Q for turning their creative energy to new compositions as well as old classics. I'm looking forward to spending many hours deciperhing the nuances of There and Back Again. The blistering jam into Sittin' On Top Of the World showed what this band can do - "scary good" as someone said! Tastes Like Wine. Beautiful. Warren really showed his emotional range all night. HCS to close the set. Personal favorite. I waited for years for the Dead to bring this one back and was overjoyed when they did. I'll cop to a moment of truly missing Jerry when the lead break came. As wonderful as these guitarists are - and they are - I couldn't help but recall Garcia's command of melody, tone and rhythm and I took an inner moment to acknowledge his absence.
Then on to set II...
I forget what song it was but at one point Jimmy and Warren were smiling and winking at each other as they let Derek take over the jams for a while. it was really fun to watch. It was like two big brothers being all proud of their little brother! Jimmy and Derek and John were smiling and laughing with each other all second set. It was great to see them having so much fun. As far as Celebration goes, I was hoping they would roll it into a Rider double encore. I guess we'll get it tonight!
When Derek Trucks took his place next to Jimmy Herring, the tone of the evening changed, for me at least. Here was a band with members ranging from 21 years old to 62, a core of musicians that touches so freakin' much of the music scene happening today. This was Phil Lesh and the Six Degrees of Separation!
So off we go. The jam warmed up, took a fully developed and funky turn and then dropped into the ever-haunting Cryptical. Jimmy and Derek looked like father and son standing there, exchanging glances, nods and smiles. Excellent. Dark Star teases led into a soulful reading of Wharf Rat. I had hoped to attend my first Wharf Rats meeting since starting my personal journey through the program some months ago, but alas. Nonetheless, the song resonated with such personal experience, taking me on a long walk through memory, and never before have I felt the hopefulness that I did last night as Warren sang, "I'll get a new start, live the life I should." How powerful, voice inside all our heads, always guiding us to belief. Then the Other One. I, too, was waiting on the bomb, but this intro fell somewhere between Bobby's weasely mid-80's sneak-intros and a true Phil intro. Love the song. So true and so real. Saint Stephen caught me off guard - it had been played in Bozeman and on the radio the day before - but if you ever hear me complaining about overplaying of St. Stephen, just put me out of my misery. Best version I've heard yet! What else from Stephen but Dark Star -> 11 -> Dark Star? Again I thought of the irony of young Derek Trucks, given trust of works from the elders and finding his place in them. The jam that led into Cryptical at the beginning of the set reappeared after Dark Star 2, leading me to believe that it is something in the making. And landed softly in Stella Blue. Again, thank God for Warren. Who else could pull these Garcia ballads off and make them his own? Stella was gorgeous, though I might have chosen a more upbeat closer. And the opera-singing woman behind me who tried to compete with Warren's highest-register leads at the end was just downright terrifying!
Think Phil feels the love? I do. The loudest cheers of the night came when the man himself stood alone at the microphone, and his humility and graciousness are a real inspiration in a world of plastic fame and fleeting achievements. Celebration was a fitting closer, and though I'll need a little time with this one, I'm looking forward to getting to know it better.
Ken Kesey once said that the Grateful Dead was an old friend, who always knew how to drape an arm over your shoulder when you needed it most. I've been going through many changes in my life lately, and the gratitude I have for that friendly hand is beyond words. And that's where I'll leave it...
See y'all tonight!
Starting reading above reviews...Black Cat, best setlist? Join Bucky in his retirement.
At about 5 we hooked up with Headlight and Carol. Hosting cities: Headlight sets the standard, owns the bar, and it is SO high...you just have to bone up. His thoughtfulness, foresight, kindness and IMMENSE generosity are unsurpassed...and he wins the incognito Western Roll Off..how'd he do that? Headlight, thanks for the tastings...you rock dude. Flavor after flavor...
Okay, okay, show. Show started at 7:15...not as crowded as last February by any stretch...
The Jam into Masons was really just an extended intro...the chording was there from the opening note. TC, whenever I hear this I remember Camden...great version...the vocals are really working here...nice blends...goes into a massive Jam with a major OO tease and some minor Dark Stars...jams are not noodled at all. Great BirdSong, some great jamming here too. I have always liked Midnight Train and it is getting there, particularly nice jam at the end, but difficult to disseminate whether or not the song is ending. Sitting on Top of the World is great fun, but needs work to be a biggie. Very fast, very "Doin' That Rag" like...nice. Tastes Like Wine was opus like. I barely heard it this fall, definetely missed it. Closer, HCSS...nice.
Second Set...Nice opening Jam into Cryptical which they do so nicely, but never long enough, in my opinion, into Wharf Rat...nice Rat, but I cop to being outside for most of it...Jam here, which whas pretty wacked into a serious Other One tease into a FULL ON HUGE Intro...into FULL ON HUGE Other One...I fully disagree about above post. This was a great great OO...Nice St. Stephen...this is losing the gutteral, but there were some very sophisticated jams in there...don't be looking for the GTBT out of this anymore...but I did have a new one...will remember it later.
More Jamming, with some hard core Space (2 notables), and, as I had called, it was going to be Stella or Moon...I had leaned towards the Stella...Chris, I didn't have your number, I apologize.
Finally, and MT, this is so for you..."Your Fat Man" stepped up...he ripped this slide lead at the end, when previously in all versions he has maintained composure...it was amazing...it was great, it was my peaking moment, and I missed you immensely because you would have gotten it...very momentous...
Celebration is a perfect encore, or anytime song. Last night was great...think Warfield might have had a higher energy. Just a hunch.
Notes: Crowd so much better than last year. Sound SUCKED, there was no guitar separation and this really bothers me, especially with Derek up there for the whole second set...I could not tell you whose solo the Stella's was...I will give it to Warren, but I believe it was both of them...they have been playing alot together.
Getting ready to hit the pillow we are watching Miami Vice and it was the Willie show, so went nite nite with visions of Hershey in my head.
Bucky, you may have liked song selection better, but it was all too too fast for you.
The Diner, cast out of Pulp Fiction...its all good.
I can unequivocally state that it's NEVER too fast for Bucky or I.
We would have been LOVIN' last night!!!!
>>>>I was close enough to the stage to see Phil's "I Miss Jerry" sticker on his cabinet. That says it all, really.
It sure does.. Thanks for the reviews Tom & Dewit. Have a wonderful show tonight!!!! :*)
WOW, What a smokin show. Thanks for the reviews.
Question to Bucky and KSK: 2nd set certainly appears to be your wish list to tee. Would you have rather just shown up for the second set to get your "MEAT" (taken from reviews of Boise)???maybe left before Stella or Celebration???
also, what did you think of the NYE set lists??
As for the first set, I love Mason's children, and this was a good one. Great BirdSong - the lyrical change is an appropo tribute to Jerry. The rest of the set seemed pretty lacking in energy (save HCS). The second set, WOW, thanks for the "Live Dead / Two From the Vault" !!! Stellar! Nicely framed by Wharf Rat and Stella Blue - Warren never fails to impress me, emotions flowing out for all to share, and share we did. Man, the croud was loving it. However, how could anyone not notice the absence of Phil's repeated BOMB DROPPING intro to The Other One? It crept in, and gradually, oh, here it is...
Who ever said it above was right, Sittin' on Top could be HUGE with a little work.
All in all, great show. I think it's kind of setting the stage for the next 3 nights, there was some - as my friend Kevin says - unfinished business.
Thanks PHIL for bringing it home to Colorado for 4 nights!
See you all tonight - Sunday
From where I was, about 50-feet straight out from Baracco, by the second set the soundboard had the place dialed in. (At least in front of the board, the sound's always bad at the back of the Fillmore in my opinion.) Derek Trucks came on and took the leads for the first couple of numbers in the 2nd set and then continued to do some killer slide guitar throughout. He fit in so well with the other band members that it was hard to believe he wasn't a full time member of the band. On Wharf Rat he was playing a wailing slide that filled in beautifully behind Warren's soulful singing. On Stella, the first lead was Jimmy's, the second was Warren's and the third and final was Derek's. All three leads were awesome! Can't wait to get back there tonight.
wow, this looks like a great show, great setlist. wishin for this one in sf last week...but maybe without the encore...who cares anyway, if im not disagreeing with keyshawn, i couldn't buy a response on this board.
If anyone has a copy of the second set on SHN that they can send me I will upload it to my site to share with all. Please reply to:
firstname.lastname@example.org if you can help share this awesome show!
A bunch of us all had the same comment this morning after last night's show -- "I can't even tell you what songs they played, but man they played!" We were so caught up in the whirlwind and dancing revelry down front and center that I didn't even realize they ripped a Stephen until I saw the setlist today -- it was that kind of show. I certainly got my Phil last night! I even gave away my ticket to tonight's show because last night so completely Philled me. See y'all at Rockygrass!
here is my two cents on last night....first set:jam..vey nice but definetly an opening jam with the band still just getting sound adjusted,masons...very nicely done with fairly good transitions but still a little loose,bird song, a long time in the waiting for this one great middle jam with jimmy really doing some nice work...maidnight train, maybe this one needs to grow on me but i just can't feel it yet...top of the world, HOT the best word to describe this rob really takes to the vocals and an awesome jam in the middle and folks this one has some REAL potential a very cumberland feel...taste like wine, again maybe with time i could come to like this one but i need to say warren pours some good emotion into this one, HCSS...nice set closer great noodling between jimmy and warren real treat to end with, overall...thought the set was very mellow and subdued for PLQ, heard several dark star teases throughout the set and felt that it might be coming a little later, some good songs but the playing never reached its full potential, this led me to believe for a big 2nd set.
set two:WOW!!! as soon as i saw Derek walk out with jimmy i knew my prior presumptions were looking up. Cryptical...i love how phil pulls this off and the vocals work well with him, wharf rat...maybe the best PLQ version ive ever heard derek's slide was bleeding behind warrens soulful vocals throughout the whole song and the crowd really seemed to pick up from here everybody singing dancing and having a GREAT time, other one...as people have priorly noted there was no real phil thundering opening but rob on the organ was spectacular and phil definetly laid some bombs throughout, St. Stephen...completely out of nowhere(played the previous two nights) but ALWAYS a welcome guest in my set book a VERY good version (not as good as 12/30) that had the crowd swinging in full force, DARK STAR...first of the tour and that showed in the begining but as soon as they dug in thee were some real juicy treats inside, THE 11...incredible lead in kept teasing and pushing farther and farther closer to the edge before bamm the full eleven great version with incredible jamming (rob) after the lyrics, DS V2...nicely led back into but fairly brief, jam...incredible to see the three guitarist really play around eachother (especially three of this caliber) dont remember to much other than it was Rocking and so was the place, Stella Blue...warren warren warren i think by the end of the night it was clear this was the only suitable way to close it Dereks slide on this was great and all 3 played beautiful solos but the clear highlight was warrens emotional "stella blue" really great, celebration...not a great encore song but it worked for me one this particular night (especially i knew it had to be short for the 11 curfew approaching), the crowd throughout the night was pretty good but i anticipate a jumping crowd tonight (as well as some very special tunes 1st help>slip>frank of the tour hopefully)overall...what year is this??? i mean thank you so much phil for letting us enjoy this great music especially at this high level in which your band brings it too...thank you
P.S. Phil please bring out the ALLIGATOR really would appreciate it...anyone want to trade tonight or at vail post back...peace
WOW! Is all I can say. The whole show smoked, but the end of the first set and all of the second set were the big highlights for me.
I don't think there are two guitarists out there that have more chemistry together than Warren and Derek Trucks. Some of the best guitar jamming I have ever witnessed live.
Most definately get yourself a copy of this show to know how special it was!
Last night we woulda missed "Birdsong" if we had shown up late.
We like "Birdsong". A LOT!
At "Stella"...we woulda looked at each other, smiled, shrugged our shoulders and said, "Who the HELL is better than US?! Who caaaaares WHAT they're playin' now"!
And, it may come as somewhat of a surprise, but of the new songs, I like "Celebration".
Ooohhh...we woulda had some FUN last NIGHT!
As for New Year's, that show certainly gets an "A" in our scorecard, no question. A few "dead" spots (those can ALWAYS be put to some KINDA constructive use ;>) ), but all in all a VERY well rounded...VERY, VERY well played show.
This time we're agreein'.
Great show...great setlist!
Looks like KSK still has a few surprizes in him, Celebration?!?! Not that I have anything against it (I heard it first @ NYE and loved it, so appropriate for the whole mood and scene) but I wouldn't have guessed you to have included it on your desired set list.
Let's not get CRAZY here!
I heard it once so far..12/2/01 at The Beacon.
I liked it, and as Mrs. Bucky had stated earlier that day, it, at least THAT evening, had a decided "Sugar Mag" flavor during the instrumental.
THAT I liked VERY MUCH!
Great place, great people, great music. Can't imagine a better place to see music, it was worth the trip form Delaware, I'll be back. Thanks Denver. Sound on the left side railing (with the stools by the bar) was fantatstic from the get go, Phil was popping notes during the lead in to Masons' and it was all gravey from there on in. You folks in Denver are spoiled rotten. The Fillmore is the antihesis of the Electric Factory; for every square inch of garbage in the Factory there is a garden in the Fillmore.
>>>Starting reading above reviews...Black Cat, best setlist? Join Bucky in his retirement.
Dewit, you are a pip.....
8 shows, one that looks great on paper, & you skip it by standing outside?
I bet if it was
Ship of Fools >
Dire Wolf >
You would be giving us a glowing report.
Sorry you missed the bus.
You must've really hated 5-27-00....
And, for those of you who are twisting what Key & I said, we like lots of tunes.
We just want the best. Or a couple of them.
Uh, who am I kidding?
WE WANT THEM ALL! AND NOT JUST IN COLORADO EVERY TIME THEY PLAY THERE!
And Candyman, Ship of Fools, Dire Wolf or SOTM ain't even on the 'F List' let alone the 'A' or 'B' lists......
I think the first set looks good.
Who wouldn't like Masons (it rocks) > Birdsong? I do agree with the guy who said the tempo could be faster on Birdsong by P&F though.
And, HCS is a great jam.
Even Tastes Like Wine is better than most slow Jerry tunes Warren does.
Candyman is not me Bucky, and I was only outside for Wharf Rat, and still heard most of it, but is it never has been a topper 5 for me.
Footnote: I believe that the lyric change in Birdsong didn't happen until the Orpheum and that it was after Kesey passed....the song is about Janis, so I have always assumed they changed the lyric in deference. This was a great show, it will be better on Sbd's...the sound really did suck and that is my pet peeve...
Tastes Like Wine a slow tune...more a crescendoing ballad with the hard core Warren touch.
>>>>>And Candyman, Ship of Fools, Dire Wolf or SOTM ain't even on the 'F List' let alone the 'A' or 'B' lists......
Jerry belting "I'D RATHER BE WITH YOU!" in Standing on the moon? One would have to be pretty cold hearted to not feel the Love.
>>>>And, for those of you who are twisting what Key & I said, we like lots of tunes.
We just want the best. Or a couple of them.
Bucky, You & key never seem to disagree. Tell me something, do you wipe eachothers asses as well?
No we don't.
AND, we don't kiss yours either.
But, if the situation arises, I'd wipe his. Or yours.
As I told my daughter, "You aren't ready to preach Jesus until you are ready to clean up somebody's crap & I don't mean a babie's - And then keep your mouth shut about it."
Now, enough about wiping rearends.....
I will be the 1st to admit our opinions are in the minority.
They are OPINIONS.
So are your rude responses - just YOUR opinions.
>>>Jerry belting "I'D RATHER BE WITH YOU!" in Standing on the moon? One would have to be
pretty cold hearted to not feel the Love.
Cold? Now aren't you being just a bit judgemental there?
I just happen to think the song is slow & boring & destroys whatever energy the Dead or P&F have built up. Dewit thinks the same about Dark Star & has said so over & over. Go ahead & slam her.
I'm so Sorry that I don't like SOTM. Please forgive me & my cold, cold heart. Or is it a cold & Foolish heart?
ALL I CARE ABOUT AT P&F IS JAMMING & MUSICAL INTENSITY. PERIOD.
SOTM has niether IMHO.
Maybe I should go put on 'The View' & eat some quiche to warm up my heart?
And, if you don't know by now, Mama, Key & I have been friends since we were the only 2 Mets fans at West Main St. School in 1973.
Oh, I forgot Scott Smith & Mike Demusis - 4 Met's fans....
And, we don't agree on everything, I like Bargain, & Light My Fire, he hates them.
And he likes NASCAR, & all I would do is put it on to cure insomnia. But, I am kicking his butt (and all the other gearheads) in the ESPN NASCAR Challange....... :^)
Just because we are of a like mind (more or less) regarding The Dead and Phil, does NOT mean we agree on everything.
There's SO much more to an almost THIRTY YEAR friendship, from the trials and tribulations of being 13 and 12 and all that THOSE ages brings...to being 41 and 40...being married 16 and 15 years...and having 6 children (3 each) between us.
We've had PLENTY of disagreements...some fairly nasty (as happens at times with MOST people who have long term friendships), but our friendship has survived, and actually THRIVED through it all.
And when it comes to music...we agree and disagree PLENTY.
The Who's "Bargain"?
If I NEVER hear that again, it'll be WAY too soon!
The Doors "Light My Fire"?
Led Zeppelin...Black Sabbath...Ted Nugent...all the way down to Frank Marino & Mahogany Rush and Uriah Heep ("Demons & Wizards"..."Sweet Lorraine"!..as in Mace, Bucky..lol), are all musical entities that Bucky holds in varying degrees of disregard, and which I hold dear.
My obsession with the NY Jets (my son is named after Joe Namath), and the torment I go through every season with them, is a great source of amusement to Bucky (although he is somewhat of a Jets fan).
NASCAR...the NY Rangers, both of which I have come to enjoy over the last 5-10 years, he scoffs at!
And there's a HOST of other differences between us, that are just too complex and diverse to enumerate and expand on within the framework of this forum.
HOWEVER...what we DO UNILATERALLY agree on is our INSISTENCE upon GREATNESS, when GREATNESS is attainable.
And on THAT...we will NEVER be swayed!
>>>We've had PLENTY of disagreements...some fairly nasty (as happens at times with MOST
people who have long term friendships), but our friendship has survived, and actually
THRIVED through it all.
Oh, btw, Mama, they were all HIS fault.....
What can you say about someone who hates Bargain?
But, we do agree that Stella Blew, always did, always will.....
And that anybody the Mets get is going to start suffering from 'Mets Disease', a severe drop in offensive production.
Look at Mo......
Listen HERE you, " %$@^#*& "!
Keyshawn said>>>>(my son is named after Joe Namath),
I wonder is it Joe "still sucks" or Namath "still sucks"...just wonder which way you used it. I still like George wanting to name his kid "seven"
Bucky said>>>>>the song is slow & boring & destroys whatever energy the Dead or P&F have built up
Hey man you are entitiled to your opinion no doubt. I just wonder do you have to believe that it destroys the energy? can't it take it in another direction? I just can't believe that your thread always gets cut when ever they play a slow song? I think I remember you saying you liked "comes a time" didn't you? That is slower paced than "stella blue". Not trying to change your opinions just trying to understand your headspace.
Star Quarterback in New York...sleepin' with Racquel Welch, Ann Margaret, et al...
Who the HELL had it better than HIM?!
Well that explains it boys. Thanks. Now I won't ask if you're joined at the hip. It's good you have one-another to stick up for.
Now, I know you think "Stella Blew" & so on & so fourth. Bucky, we've been down that road & back. Can't teach an old dog new tricks. ;*)
Funny thing about Me & Key:
We knew each other & periodically crossed paths (or partied together) until high school ended, but Key being a year older, we had each ran with a different group of friends.
We both saw our 1st Dead show on 9-1-79 in Rochester, 400 miles away from home, but we went with different people unaware that the other would be there.
I started going to lots of Dead shows right away, Key came along slower (Van Halen/Led Zep influence took a while to wear off...).
I'd see him at 9-6-80 or 3-10-80 & we'd hang out.
We had a mutual friend I'd see at her place of work, talk about the Dead & we started hanging out.
I'd drag him to such famous shows as 5-6-81, 7-10-81 & 12-5-81.
The rest is history, & we took as much grief then (almost) for our rather unusual opinions as we do now.
BTW, Key's told me his next son will be named 'Bucky Rhino'........
>>>>>Star Quarterback in New York...sleepin' with Racquel Welch, Ann Margaret, et al...
Who the HELL had it better than HIM?!
And, hopefully NOT with Robert Reed......
>>>> just wonder do you have to believe
that it destroys the energy? can't it take it in another direction? I just can't believe that
your thread always gets cut when ever they play a slow song?
It seems that the ranks of The United Stella Haters seems to be growing.
Read the reviews of 12-2-01 & maybe 7-26-01.
With the Dead, it was a formula thing, you knew the vast majority of shows would go D/S > Bob song > Slow Jerry Song > Bobby Rocker to close. So, it was a foregone conclusion.
With P&F, they are much more of a musical 'machine', or 'monster' or whatever you want to call it. They catch a HUGE wave, then, it crashes on the shore of Candyman Island, or the wave is lost in a wreck on a Ship Of Fools......
With the Dead, Peter & Stella were like a funeral dirge.
Wharf Rat was faster, so it had more 'Umph'. P&F's Wharf Rat is too slow. It was boring until Warren starts the wah-wah part in "I'll get up & fly away". At Roseland, those 3-4 minutes to start were the only boring moments all night.
On Comes A Time, the jam at the end was good, but, the magic Jerry produced was missing.
Sleepin' with Robert Reed?!
I said Joe NAMATH...not Joe PEPITONE!
And all this has what to do with the Denver show???
Sorry you missed it!
Ya gotta read the WHOLE thread, Headlight (this also ties into the 4-1-02 thread)...believe me...WE'RE sorry we missed it, too!
Well put my man. I never really liked Stella as a Dead tune for all of your reasons listed above. This summer a very kind dude called me up and let me listen to the Stella that night while I was on the Chatty, and it mesmerized me. Since then I have heard the evolution of the tune and I love it. I love the way they do it...not waiting for the last solo to bring us all up to Jerryland. As for Black Peter, Wharf Rat, Candyland (which I haven't heard yet), we are in total agreement, although I was never a Wharf Rat fan, ever...but it was ALWAYS better than the above...as for Comes A Time, I am a convert to that tune also. We do not really differ in our opinions on the old slow tunes...The Dark Stars, well, they are better, the 11.30.01 Dark Star after "Guitar Gently..." killed me for that Something Tease had me tossed in the air by Mooseman, we were both so psyched...he loves Dark Star as much or more than any Dark Star head...but we had lost all momentum by then. That said, it was the fastest most precise and best Dark Star I may ever hear. After it was over we got out of the Loge to spew the venom over the Something Tease...
So, I get it...mostly what I get is that there is a plethora of tunes to listen to; that in 18 months there are hundreds of tunes they have played, and hundreds more to come, and that it is all good...just not to all of us every night, and isn't that what the spirit of this community is about...to tease, cajole, coerce and laugh?
By the way, still looking forward to seeing you and Mrs. B again...as I really liked you both quite alot.
>>>isn't that what the spirit of this community is about...to tease, cajole, coerce and laugh?
close, D, very close.
"What we got -
Is something the naysayers DARE us to be
A place full of passion, where we can be free
to nitpick, to tease, to battle, to scheme
to blast, to explode, to spiral, to dream!!!!!"
Let me first say I love this venue. Although it could be ugly if oversold (like anywhere), it wasn't for this tour. This is now one of my favorite places to see a show. The sound wasn't great but it was good enough so that I didn't get hung up on it. The purple chandeliers were cool I thought. And the chick pretending to have a good time who was selling Fat Tire on the floor was cool. Just a great place to hear some music.
I thought the first set of this show was spectacular. The novelty of Mason's has worn off for the most part but I like it when shows start upbeat, so I'll take it. The Bird Song that followed was a major point of disagreement with the people I went with. I thought it was lovely. I especially like how the riff is played an octave or two lower like they do. My partners all thought it had no substance but I really enjoyed it. The other tunes were good Phil reads but the one that *totally stood out* was "Tastes Like Wine". It was emotional and had the perfect power ballad thing going <- never thought I'd say that, ever. The band was perfectly in sync and can really deliver on the "Gods must be crazy" part - very powerful. I saw Warren's band do this song last year and it just had no substance. Which leads me to another thought I've had for awhile - Phil brings out the best in Warren.
So second set came and Trucks was just in the way the whole time. I haven't seen anyone integrate three guitars well - no offense to Trucks - he's talented in his own right - but Warren and Jimmy have a special thing together that neither Warren and Trucks, nor Jimmy and Trucks, nor all three of them together have. With Trucks on stage there's just more of those guitar volume swell things they all like to do and little of the telepathic jamming that Warren and Jimmy do. It didn't work much better when they brought Weir up to play with them. Leave it at two guitars I say,
bring in a horn if you want another player.
Set was pretty good but the whole time I just wished Trucks would leave (which he did for Celebration, but that's not the type of tune I was looking for). But the set would have been better without him as he contributed very little and got in the way a whole lot.
Some people on this list don't like Stella? Even the Jerry versions? Wow. It's hard for me to imagine.
You hate Mason's Children, Birdsong & Derek Trucks?
But like Stella?????
I'm never one to go crazy over 'breakout' tunes just because they're breakout tunes.
To me, a tune is good or bad on it's own merits, not how often it's played, even if it's 35 years.
Having said that, Mason's ROCKS.
I certainly hope to hear it again.....
You know, I liked Birdsong fast. Give me a 1981 vesion that's 10 minutes, but Jerry played more riffs than in a 15 minute 1991 version....
And, Phil's slowed it down even more.
However, I still think that every P&F version I've heard, live or tape, was out there in jammyland; lots of fun.
And Derek, I've loved everything I've heard from him with P&F & have gone out of my way to get shows he's played at like 2-10-01 & 7-29-01 that I normally would look at 'on paper' & say "pass" to...
Now, I have to actually take 7-29 out of the package & listen to it.
Keysh: Joe Pepitone...........
What was he REALLY doing with his buddy 'Lemon' at 'The Itch'?
I agree with you (who says there's no such thing as miracles?) on that 'Something' tease on 11-30. B-O-G-U-S! Play it, don't start it & not play it.
And, in this case it IS the opening notes they play.
And speaking of fast Dark Stars, check out the 1st verse of 4-14-01, it's like a '69 version.
Yeah, you might.........
You missed the point of my question. "still sucked" is your last name. Like my kid would be xxxx "than". (actually in real life my first kid is gonna be named alphabet.)
just wanted to know what you named your kid.
I have that Dark Star, not bad, it just doesn't turn me on.
The separation sucked at this show. Derek shone like a star that night...the three of them have played together so often, I was disappointed, but Derek really added a lot to this show, and without the separation I can totally agree, although they do play so well together I did not feel they were cluttered or stepped on eachother.
I got ya now, LessThan!
The "Still Sucks" moniker is reserved for arrogant turncoats such as Keyshawn, who, through his own selfishness and impatience wouldn't wait one more season for the BIG $$$ from the Jets.
He, with his 100+ catches and ONE Touchdown...AND the Jets, who have been missing a physically big wide receiver, and a "big play" guy, miss each other equally as much.
As for my son...his name is Joseph William _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _...... otherwise known as "The Pulverizer"!
Definite Middle Linebacker material!
>(actually in real life my first kid is gonna be named alphabet.)
that should cost you less for lil' LT's therapy in later life than "chicken noodle" or "Bird's Nest"
and Mason's, DS, Birdsong not much beloved?????? No comprende.
(Dew, no picky deadheadness intended but listen to 6/30 Birdsong goes from "she" to "he" FWIW.
Actually, on Mason's Birdsong & Derek, I was referring to the post immediately preceeding mine, not Dewit.
Dewit's well known dislike for Dark Star is almost as legendary as my love for Dark Star & The Other One.....
We're going to kidnap Dewit, lock him/her in a room for a weekend, getting him/her to listen to 'The History Of Dark Star, 1967-2002'. If Dewit stats to fall asaleep, we'll shake him/her awake.
48 hours should do the trick.....
Dewit will earn 3 college credits, & will come out saying over & over in a monotone voice:
"I love Dark Star; Dark Star is great."
I love Dark Star; Dark Star is the best."
Then , we'll move onto 'The History Of The Other One, Part I, 1967-1974'.......
I like Dark Star slower ... much prefer, say 72, 74 to 69 for Dark Stars ... but you dont get those TIFTOO > Stephen > 11 > Caution etc etc etc .....
Bucky you heard 9/21/72? one of my favorites for the jam before the Dew
LMAO...the Other One from the Fillmore, was it this night?, was full out powerful. I did cop to that...Midy, I will check it out...the first time I heard it was the Orpheum and I noted it in a review...kind of weird that not to many have made note of it...and it certainly is not picky...when wrong, I love to know it, and correct my facts. I don't like passing on bad facts to the newbies, or the new converts, and it is very very cool that he does it that way.
By the way, I do like the way P&F do Birdsong...some versions are just extraordinary, others a nice little trip...
A perfect night for me...King Salomons Marbles, Tons of Steel, anything new, any breakout, and all covers; I love the P&F covers, especially the Van Morrison stuff. Can't keep away from it.
The "new" and the obscelete from the Dead repertoire signify to me the rebirth of the music and the lack of fear it takes for a band coming out of the "Dead" to forge forward.
Hmm, Dewit .. seems weird to me that on your list you want breakouts/new stuff ... who cares how often a song has been played, what counts is if it's good or if it's lousy ...
Hear! Hear!, Tyler.
I know I said this before, but in the 70's, Jerry made a comment in Rolling Stone I believe, that "We could play anything, even Louie Louie, & the place would go nuts.
So, in 1988, The Dead play Louie Louie, the people go nuts, everyone has to have a tape of it.
Meanwhile, Jerry's laughing his butt off at everyone worshipping him like some cosmic guru, & they don't even realize Louie Louie is a joke.......
Well Bucky, I enjoyed your story. You & Key definately have some history between you. Hold on to eachother cuz the 2 of you are really one of a kind.
Could it be possible that you both really like slow Jerry tunes but don't want to disapoint the other after all these years?hehe!
Slow Jerry tunes LIKED by ME:
"Birdsong" (IF this is being classified as a "slow Jerry")
"Comes A Time"
"To Lay Me Down"
"Sugaree" (I LOVE how P&F do this!)
Slow Jerry tunes TOLERATED by ME:
"They Love Each Other"
Slow Jerry tunes NOT liked by ME:
think we'd get along jes fine at a show, your takes on the slower stuff are pretty much in sync' with mine. I agree with Dewit in regard to bust-outs and surprises, especially when I'm there. That's always the best part of a show for me when something comes out of nowhere and just lights me up. Kinda like Xmas but you never know when it's coming, that bliss in the moment stuff. Like Xmas, once that novelty of newness is gone then, yeah it becomes more about how the music's played rather than just what is played, if that makes any sense at all ;)
"Birdsong" (IF this is being classified as a "slow Jerry")
NO! NO! NO! NO! NO!
We mean 'ballads', slowly sung, with a small instrumental in the middle, not much jamming like Birdsong or Sugaree....
Slow Jerry tunes fall basically into 2 catagories:
'The Ship of Fools slot', after the opening 2nd set & before the jam starts, like:
Ship of Fools
To Lay Me Down
Musta Been The Roses
Although, I know occaisionally some of them went into the first set near the end.
I've also seen FOTD, & Ramble On Rose in the early 2nd set slot in late '79-'80.
Also Althea (too) many times in '80-'81, but Althea is a bit too jammy to be classified as a 'slow Jerry tune', although it's boring enough to be one IMHO (sorry, 48 times burnt me out on this tune foever).
The other catagory of slow Jerry tunes would be those after the drums & before the Bobby closer:
Stella Blue (and yes, I REALLY hate it)
Black Peter (ditto)
Comes A Time
Morning Dew (The King of this slot)
Days Between (I hope it's many more Days between seeing THAT again)
I know. Comes A Time & China Doll were just as likely to be played pre-drums after the 'jam 'began, say after Playin' In The Band.....
But, basically that's what I mean when I say 'slow Jerry tunes'.
I was just including "Birdsong"and "Sugaree"..."just in case".
SEEEE..we DO have miscommunications every now and then!
When Warren broke into "Good Times, Bad Times" during the instrumental in "St. Stephen" at the Roseland 4/30/01, I was FLOORED! Bein' an ol' Zeppelin nut..I couldn't F**KIN' believe it!!!
THAT moment RRRRRRRRRRRRULED!!!!
that's exactly what I'm talkin' bout bro'! I hadn't heard Roseland yet and Jones Beach was my first Phil show and when they hit those first two notes of GTBT I was like holy shit!!! Can they do that? Definitely another in a series of musical conversion experiences for me. And that illuminates my point. At that show, that moment stood out profoundly (along with Warren and Jimmy trading licks on NFA and Midnight Hour), but when I go back and listen now I am probably more blown away by the Scarlet>Fire (although that NFA and Midnite still smoke!!!!)
On one level I love it all, but I happen to really love the breakouts and the new tunes, because they are new...I have seen tons and tons of shows by hundreds of artists...it is my passion. I think P&F do the best job on covers in existence...clarity, richness and respect. Each breakout or cover has their personal stamp on it, but there is no mistaking what it is.
The only tune I am not nuts about on the album is Rock'n'Roll Blues, and there were some excellent solos on the version in Denver...excellent.
So, I chose to always have the new, the odd, the breakout, but I have been that way from my first show in '77...what can I say. I like the light, the future...sitting in the past isn't me...which in no way means that I don't honor the legacy of the Dead...before Phil there was no better...of course I secretly loved JGB more...but hey, I am a veteran of almost 50 Midnites shows too...it is all personal, and all my liking or opinion...
Bucky gets that, probably doesn't love it, but I believe he respects everyone's opinion.
I have been pretty consistent on this for years...I get the feeling it bothers you Tyler. And I definetely left out Passenger, 1000 Stars and all of the new stuff I heard in Colorado...that shit was just plain fun and really really good.
>>>>>>>of course I secretly loved JGB more..
Ya know Dewit, I do too. I think more times than none, Jerry's energy was stronger w/ JGB.
On that note, has anyone seen JGB after '95? I saw a show in Killington VT at the Pickle Barrel. Wow was that a hot show! The dude filling in for Jer looked identical, & sounded almost identical. I spent most of the night w/ my eyes closed imagining it was really Jer. ( My headspace that night certainly had much to do w/ that) But it was very healing...
Key & Buck, what about Attics?
>>>Key & Buck, what about Attics?
Oops, I forgot about that one......
That should give you a clue.
Attics makes Wharf Rat seem like Goin' Down The Road.......
And, don't even mention Sing Me Back Home......
Real uplifting tune.
Dewit: So, if P&F played 'Louie Louie', 'Walkin the Dog', or 'Disco Inferno', it would be more enjoyable, or help make it a better show than seeing another Cumberland Blues in place of it?
BTW, P&F want to break something out, make it Big Railroad.......
"make it Big Railroad....... "
RB: Well my momma told me, my papa told me too,
WH: My momma told, papa told me too.
All: Shouldn't be here trying to sing these railroad blues!
No "Rock The Boat"?
Keyshawn Still Sucks,
The Jets still suck.
The Jets have always sucked.
Even winning the '69 Super Bowl,
the Jets still sucked.
Joe Namath never sucked.
I wish the Jets still owned Key,
so they'd suck even more.
Even with the Tuna,
the Jets still sucked.
Chrebet sucks Vinnie's Testa...
(I could keep going.)
Commitment to Excellence, huh?
If ya HAD beaten the "still suck" Jets in the last game of the season..then the playoff game with the Patriots woulda been in Oakland instead of in Foxboro. And THAT might've made all the difference...but, then again...maybe not.
The ONE thing you can count on with the Raaaaidaaas is that there is NO pride and poise...you lost your coach thanks to your dictator like attitudes and have proven time and time and time again that you simply CANNOT win the "big game".
Remember...even (to use YOUR own words)"winning the '69 Super Bowl, the Jets stiil sucked"...they DID GET to that Super Bowl by coming from behind to beat the Raaaaaidaaaas...27-23.
Even the Super Bowls' ya won...who'd ya beat?
The Vikings..0-4 in Super Bowls.
The Eagles...heh heh heh...a laughable...drugged out team.
And the "Smurf" Redskins.
Joe Namath had the BALLS to speak what he and the rest of the Jets KNEW afer watching the supposedly "invincible" 13-1 1968 Colts on film.
He guaranteed the win..and as Pete Lammons, the Jets tight end said in his Southern drawl..."We better stop watchin' these films...we're gonna get overconfident".
Lemme know when the Raaaaidaaas have the BALLS to win when they're NOT supposed to.
I would get a kick out of those as would everyone else...funny selection.
I don't harbor any needs to see to many Dead tunes. I like where P&F seems headed. I would love some breakouts like Brown Eyed Girl, the elusive Sympathy for the Devil, Elinor Rigby...I could think of a hundred other tunes.
>they don't even realize Louie Louie is a joke.......
a joke they played to us 7 times the first on 5/18/67
i was glad to see phil remembered the la bamba joke...hopes he remembers the louie louie one
i had a feeling this show would end up sparking debate
this shows looks great on paper and is if you like almost dead space jamming if i remember correctly (i havn't heard the tape yet)almost every jam(transistion)came to a stand still before becoming the next song
the next night was a much better show imo as were both warfields and for the people i saw walking out during soulshine...>ATTICS
hi dewit...so nice to meet you
"The Other One">
ALL with Derek...
"The Real Thing">
"Good Lovin' Jam">
"Night of a Thousand Stars">
And 4-5-02 was the better of the two?!
All I can do is shake my head in stunned disbelief.
yes as a whole show...4/5/02's first set seals the
deal unless you like
"Wharf Rat"> space>
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"St. Stephen"> space>
"Dark Star"> space>
"The Eleven"> space>
ALL with Derek...
than this was your show
dont get me wrong i loved em both (4/4 more)...but would have liked to of seen 4/5 with a little less improv
"Unless you like"...
Ooooohhh yeahhhhh..I LIKE!
That IS my show!
>>>>unless you like
"Wharf Rat"> space>
"The Other One"> space>
"St. Stephen"> space>
"Dark Star"> space>
"The Eleven"> space>
ALL with Derek...
than this was your show
What's with this Sympathy For The Devil thing?
It just seems SO un-Phil-like.....
Midnight Rambler, yeah, maybe.
Dead Flowers ala Max Creek, yes.
I can just see Phil singing "What's my name? Tell me, Tell me, What's my name." in that baritone voice........
Elusive cover tunes?
There's one that's been teased at a few time that they should play:
"What song is it you want to hear?"
"I heard it then....."
With Warren singing of course.
""""the next night was a much better show imo as were both warfields and for the people i saw walking out during soulshine...>ATTICS """
I bet you these folks were making a bee line for the Kings Court or Royal Court motel across the streeet to smoke some crack
personally, I thought both shows kicked ass, I love any set that opens w/ a jam-crypt, and I love any set that closes w/ a Help-slip-frank
phil delivered both styles and left me a very happy camper, like Bucky said, something about the water in colorado
royal court > "newly renovated"
So, somebody hook me up with 4-4.......
just because a phil show looks great or shitty on paper doesn't mean it is...maybe 9 times out of ten, but not every time
and here is my theroy as to why....
phil decides the sets ahead of time, which i like and has proven to work quite well nearly all the time...but when a dead show looks good on paper you can bet it was,due to spontanity of it
chris makes a good point we got both styles...and like many dead shows i attended that were or could have been all timers this show could have been an all timer if not for dare i say the discombobulation(spell check please)that was the second set...stella and celebration didn't help either as far as making this, one for the record books or to even write home about and i dont expect it to make many top 10 list before the year is thru
i was looking for...> dark star>NFA E:mr fantasy>bid u
but like phil said...you cant always get what you want
all in all still a great show...aren't they all?
>And 4-5-02 was the better of the two?!
You just have to trust those of us who were there Keyshawn, it was definitely the better of the two from start to finish...
As far as listening to the tapes of both and then making the usualy comparisons/evaluations, well, only time will tell!
For what it is worth, I spoke to a # of people who attended both Warfields, as well as both of the Denver shows and the consensus was unanimous that 4/5 was the Real Deal...
Love the sets, not the setlists...
hey headlight wazzz up ...and thanks again for the flavor...looking foward to more
Headlight, as we see eye to eye on very little, no surprise here.......
I'm used to other people's opinions of shows & songs not matching mine.
And, I'm used to 98% of the folks thinking EVERY show was killer.
I remember coming out of 10-15-83 & this guy's singing 'One More Saturday Night' at the top of his lungs.
Key & I both turned to him & said at the same time, unbeknownst to the other, "One Man Gathers What Another Man Spills!"
In 1992, most people thought the 2nd show at Giant's Stadium was better.
I thought the first night sucked until the drums, then Spoonful > TOO > Morning Dew with Steve Miller.
Very Good, & a dream of mine to see TOO > Dew.
Gee, too bad it wasn't another TOO > Stella Snooze.....
The 2nd night was more consistant, but marginal, & never came close to the level the first night reached post drums.
Now watch. If anyone reads this & was at both, they'll say the 2nd night was better.......
So, I'll take my chances & never get 4-5.
I already have more P&F shows than I need.
>>>and here is my theroy as to why....
phil decides the sets ahead of time
Yes, I often wonder this too.
Phil comes out & says things like "You make the music with us"
"You brought us to this height"
"Only in New York"
"You guys (Denver) give New York a run for it's money", etc.....
So, how, with a pre-planned setlist, does Phil, for example, KNOW beforehand that 4-20-01 is going to be THE night?
It has as much or more to do with the tunes selected as it does with the band's level of play.
Really, certain songs just bring out more juice than others.
As previously stated,
Good Lovin >
Dark Star >
Blues For Allah >
And I'm willing to bet my Other One collection on it......
Oh, BTW, Just my opinion.
>Now watch. If anyone reads this & was at both, they'll say the 2nd night was better.......
i saw em,thought first night was better and for the reason you stated...but put both those shows together and they might allmost touch the one they played 6 shows earlier in vegas also with too>dew and steve miller
a perfect illustration on how simalar sets can vary in production
and when they played bertha>good lovin to open set 2 the next summer at giants even though i was probabally one of a small # of people who realized they were doing it in that slot for the first time since '79 i know the boys did and check the tape... it rocks
but i agree bucky , when phil draws up a monster set the chances for a real keeper are greatly increased...just not on this night
my ex told me she remembers people crying , hugging and kissing at the 83 msg show..."sat nite" to funny
The best thing about that '93 show was the Playin' once Jerry fixed his guitar. Quite an out there jam into the Drums.....
I knew about Bertha >
I didn't think it was that well played though.
But what made me happiest was that they wouldn't end with Good Lovin'.
But, I still couldn't get my elusive Sugar Mag.
bucky ...you've never seen sugar mag? seriously?
i mean sugar mag is a biggie
i never saw st stephen though...but sugar mag was in the rotation totally...that's wild dude
i count myself lucky , there's only two songs i didn't see which were performed after my first show 7/9/89... big boss man(2X), push comes to shove (1x)
We have not seen any members, or former members of The Grateful Dead play "Sugar Mag" since October 15, 1984.
Truth be told...THAT'S the one I'D like Phil to "breakout", sans Bob, most of ALL!
I'd be dancin' UP the walls!!!!
I will have 4/4...in all honesty the sound as bad as the Beacon, and just about every other venue on the fall tour. 4/5 is excellent on disc.
Gideon, we never met, did we? Which is probably my fault.
Headlight, I will be in touch soon. Hope all is well, and send the best to Carol.
i thought we might of met briefly inside ,i was pretty wasted..but rev greene told me headlight was wearing a telluride hat so i spotted him on the floor and i introduced myself to him and carol and you?...anyway thats funny but if you remember someone slurring a recipe for angel hair pasta to you then we did meet if not then once again i'm looking foward to it
This is act III of my mini tour. I skipped the Montana and Idaho show.
Like in a shakespearian drama this was the major act.
But wait. First there was a dull set I. Besides masons it never took off. Bird song and HCS had no jams but noodling. Dull first sets are sometimes a sign for things to come. (e.g. 06-19-94 eugene).
Definitely one for Bucky (despite the stella dilemma). I agree that three guitars were not that easy to separate while hearing. BUT: above it all was Phil. I have never heard him louder. His bass notes were for most of the set the loudest instrument on stage. Nobody has mentioned that yet. His playing was fantastic. A gift for everybody who was there. He was always on top/ahead of the others.
First row on the balcony, dead center, same height as the speakers. That was the place to be. Lots of dancing room too btw.
The reason why people liked the next night better was because most were waiting for the helpslipfranklin’s. me too. Combined with two beautiful jams during unbroken chain made it THE night at the phillmore. The first set was tons better than this night. Space->low spark!!! Another reason for 04/05 was that Jimmy played lots better. More elusive chops. Better guitar separation.
You should listen to those tapes, Bucky.
this Phil show on April 4 at the fillmore was a good show but it was however the worst Phil show by far i've been to out of 7 shows i just thought the crowd wasn't there and the band wasn't there well keep jammin
I'll take a listen anyways.
I will have 4/4...in all honesty the sound as bad as the Beacon, and just about every other
venue on the fall tour. 4/5 is excellent on disc.
I have it coming.
But thanks any how.
BTW, Hearing Phil turned up so loud that you can't hear the other band members equally is a treat?
I think it stinks.
I want ALL the instruments to be the same level.
On alot of the shows, I have to turn the bass down & the trebble up.
On the Beacon ones from last fall, except for 12-1, I had to turn the bass down to the midpoint between 0 & 1/2......
tapes are a different thing compared to live. the sound was not really great but hearing phil above all is quite rare at indoors venues because the low end is often swallowed.
i will get cds from both shows soon. like last summers shows it is essential for MY ears to hear the tapes after the live shows. there are too many hidden details that are hard to listen to at the show (though i have a good ear for that kind of music).
i hope that i have cds from all SF and Col. shows soon. maybe you are interested in some...
hey was at all four colorado shows and would LOVE to get ahold of those. Would you please be willing to trade??? Thanks and peace