any word on the order Willie and Tuna will play?
tuna then willie then 2 sets of phil. hope this doesn't change i'd rather bump an opening act than bump a set of phil. the bumped phil's 2nd set when willie opened out west.
I was wondering why phil had only one set on that one night. What are the chances in Camden? Why did they scrap one of his sets? Was is planned? Also, what times? Show time says "Promptly" at 4:30. I figured with the opening acts and typical concert "fluff" phil should come on about 7:30. Any thoughts on that?
Dead Sighting (Citing):
This is old-school listing these things, but if I put it onto a newsgroup i didn't think anyone would see it.
On the simpsons today, homer and the fam are helping to clean up maude flanders' stuff. Homer says (paraphrase):
"You've go to move on. Ashes to Ashes, turn, turn, turn". Or something like that. Anyone else see this?
blood-drive on sat at the red cross on spring garden street across from the electric factory. don't forget.
I missed the simpsons...again! doh
The 7/11 sandstone show was originally scheduled for one set, and then they change the Official list to read two full sets. Phil should be on by 7:30 or 8:00 at the latest if you are going to get 2 full sets, but I would not hang out in the lot and miss Willie!
Re-tread of 7-11 Sandstone the day after:
Why Only One Set? Two reasons: Willie played 31 songs and did not leave the stage until about 7:40. Phil played a Wooly Mammoth of a show. He took the stage at 8:20 played until 10:20. The band to a short break, Phil came out, thanked the crowd and reminded us all of the importance of being organ donors, and introduced the band. He then leaned over toward Rob/Jimmy and said "Let's just goof around with this one, in G". At 10:40 out comes Scarlet>Fire.
By the time Phil got on stage the band had to 1. consider the curfew issue and 2. Dark Star got so far out there that there was no way to bring it back and take a set break. This was a real treat and I'm glad they did not try to reel it in and play two sets! I just wish I could have planned my head accordingly. I thought the break was going to come after patchwork, but then I could start to hear Dark Star coming. As it started to take off I thought well we'd get a DS reprise they'll take a break and then pick it back up. NOPE NADA, first verse is coming. Surely this will be a first verse only, then a break and they'll maybe pick it back
up. You guest it! Nope, here comes the 11 and the show goes on. I felt that there was a real Spanish Jam feel coming out of the second verse of DS, don't know if anyone else felt it or if it was just me. I did not total feel my groove until mid-way through Cosmic Charlie. I do not know if it's being in the bright sun and having bombs drop on us from the beginning or what. As the sun set and the moon began to rise the teeth and growl of the show came out (DS/11/DS).
(2hrs) Jam>Friend of the Devil>Jam>Cosmic Charlie, China Cat Sunflower> I Know You Rider, Patchwork Quilt> Dark Star (1st v) >The Eleven> Dark Star (2nd v)> The Wheel
(20 min) E: Scarlet Begonias> Fire on the Mountain
What Treat! The changes in this band over the past year are remarkable (Warren & Jimmy)!
For those waiting in the wings for the band, Enjoy! I'll be waiting for your post.
For those others get up and GO!
And Remember Don't Miss Willie it's worth it!
Based on the way the last Philly blood drive went, if you are going to go I suggest getting there very early and don't bother to make an appointment.
i wasn't sure if i should make an appointment or not...i was just gonna go and see what happens. was phil really there? i hope i can get there early but if i can't at least i tried
Whose got my ticket for this one?
I also need a rider to take the wheel in NJ for me.
Meggy, I went in April and had an appointment for 1 or something like that. I got there 2 hours early and they were letting anyone go on a first come first serve basis. They were extremely understaffed (they should be more prepared this time) I waited for hours and didn't get in until after Phil left. Still got a signed poster and I could have sent other item up for him to sign as they told us when he was leaving and were all very cool. I was just kind of pissed that I actually had the foresight to call in advance and got no special treatment and didn't get to meet Phil.
After Phil left, so did most of the people waiting in line. Bunch of losers.
Anybody know of a good campsite b/t Philly and Hershey? Coming down from Boston and would like the outdoors, cheap, and always best accomodations Mother Nature can provide. BTW, I must say I have enjoyed Phil and Friends over the last year SO much more than the Dead from 92-95, with a few rare exceptions (Chapel Hill, '93).
just saw hartford show. cant wait for camden hopefully i all works out and i get a ticket and make it there. lookin forward to another great time. to bad ratdog wont be there but i can chill with willie.
well paul at least you gave blood. i hope i can make it there early. i might look at a new apartment so that might hold me up but will make my day better. i would love to meet phil. my uncle is having liver problems and is waiting for a new one. i helps to see that phil is more than better after his transpkant...gives me some hope!
Though some folks might be interested in a HOT TUNA happening. Caught Jack & Jorma in a tidy little gig on the Blues Cruise on last night, out of South Street Seaport, NYC, gently swaying on the tide, drinkin' some wine, nice little nugget under glass, looking at my sweet wife's face bathed in blood red sunset,hair back on the breeze, Brooklyn drifting by... hesitation blues,How long Blues, 99 year blues, serpent of dreams, House of the Blues (Johny Cash)Been so long,I see the light, Sanfransisco Bay Blues didn't keep a set list so these are not in order, and there was more good stuff I cant remember.
Drifting past the statue of liberty, green and crimson in the sunset,listening to Jack & Jorma weave what they weave so well, was a really memorable experience.
Buckwheat zydeco will be coming up on the Blues cruise in a couple a weeks check it out, it's a party !!!
Looking forward to Jorma and Phil making some more music together in Camden !!
"If you don't know Jorma, You dont know Jack!!"
San Francisco Bay Blues on the "Blues Cruise" was really cool man. I never heard that song on a boat before! As far as the Sunsets, right on Gerry, they made a great evening! Jorma's been so long was smoking hot and sung with a lot of intensity. Jack Cassidy is a man of many facial expressions, especially when he digs low down into Jorma's song. A REAL TREAT AND ALWAYS A GOOD TIME! Still, other then the scenic bonus its a tough venue for me. The boat is really crowded and the back ground "chatter" was too much. Wait till the fall when the dynamic duo play the bottom line. Last year, the jam intensities got to such a level in there that during water song some dudes cellphone went off and the WHOLE place broke out laughing! Jorma looked over at Jack and said "Well, its a good thing it wasn't mine!"
I'm going to see Jorma & Jack tonite in Northampton,MA...The Iron Horse! Seats 'bout 150...Then off to The Beach!
Last day at work before heading north..tons to do....yessir I am one happy camper, well, I'm gonna be....Hot Fuckin' Tuna here I come!!!!!!!!!!
gregschmeg- Good observations bro, I gotta agree with you, it coulda been a whole different scene if we had gotten in line for the blues cruise five minutes later, or if my wife wasn't as quick in snagging our stage side seats! I was definately feelin for the folks crowded into the standing area on the floor, or worse yet, the folks watching Tuna on the monitors below the main deck where the "stage " was.
They definately sold more tickets then they should have. The damand for the some of the traditional Blues Acts they get on the cruise is not so severe, and the boat doesn't get as crowded. Still I'd have to chalk it up as a way positive experience. Besides, there's always loud exhuberant drunks screaming at Jorma, over the music, at almost every hot tuna show, I've learned to shrug, and live with it !
you can tune a piano, but you cant TUNA PHISH.
Anyone know when Willie will probably take the stage? I want to be sure I don't miss any of his set.
Blood Drive in Phila, 700 Spring Garden (turn up Eighth to park free) 8 AM to 2 PM. Phil will be there 11 AM to 2 PM SAT July 28.
I went in April with friend who had 11:15 appoint, but he had to wait until past 12:30 when I was done. Get there before 11 if you can, it was very crowded at noon! They make you do a long questionaire and not happy if you have recent tattoos or England visit, etc. Be early, you want to get to Camden parking lot after 2 anyway.
And YES we did meet Phil, even 30 sec chit chat and Smiles! Plus a signed poster..
Sunwave (Corbin) for camping between Phila and Hershey go to library and maybe KOA has some? Otherwise here's 3 ideas-
PA State Park at French Creek 610-582-9680 could take a reservation if any avail (summer weekends fill state parks), not sure if you would arrive before Camden (or instead at 2 AM?), but probably no pets, no beer etc. This is SE of Reading PA.
Hershey Campground, forgot name, next to the Hershey amuse park, in 1998 we had tent 5 feet from train tracks that had long 3 AM freight trains (2nd night it didn't matter). Don't know if you can reserve, consider arrival time again! Didn't see too many other campground choices that year, so-
Camp in my back yard? I have lots of nice trees (shade!) but not much open or level ground. Could fit a tent or 2. However I will leave here at 2 PM FRI for Holmdel show (and also Camden, but Hershey is earlier), so if interested give me your e-mail or phone number asap. I am 6+ hours from Boston see PA map where I-95 and PA Turnpike cross (they don't connect) and should be here 1 AM SAT until 2+ PM(?), or meet at Camden? It would be 2 hours to Hershey for 3:30 show, buy me breakfast after shower, carpool?
Another option for camping is any of the spots in Lancaster. Lancaster is almost in between philly and hershey. It's probably a full 1.5-2 hours from camden, but from there it's less than 30 minutes to hershey. It's just kind of fun becuase you can check out the omish, get some dutch family style grub, and, despite the religious undertone, most people have a live and let live attitude out there.
Just a thought.
Regarding the Blood Drive:
If you're an Organ Donor, or want to become an Organ Donor, The Red Cross & Phil will have Organ Donor cards available at the Blood Drive. You have to sign this card with 2 witnesses present...In April, I had Phil sign my Organ Donor card as a witness...JC Jaunis was my other witness. Think about it...You get to carry Phil's Autograph around with you!
French Creek is about an hour west of Camden. Unless you're coming from that direction I wouldn't recommend getting there before the show. If you wake up early enough, it's only a few minute drive to St. Peter's Village, which has a small stream with many boulders and rocks to climb/jump around on. Nice mixture of families, heads, and bikers go there. French Creek also has a frisbee golf course.
Funny thing is I live only 10 minutes from there but never would have thought of it as a place to camp.
Thanks for all the kind recommendations, sounds like we won't be hurting for a tent spot. And getting in a round of disc golf is always a plus. Say, strange request, anybody know Jimbo and Becky Hixenbaugh? Some PA folks I've been trying to find, they may have been at some of these shows as they've been out all week (answering machine). Haven't seen them since Buckeye lake '95 (Traffic opened, played RainMaker prior to a huge MW T-storm, washed everybody out, remember that?) and would love to hook up with them.
I saw Phil last year at the formerly e-center, and i can't remeber if there was a good scene or not. Does anybody know how the lot scenes have been this year?
Last year there was a huge shakedown in the paved lot by the bridge. I dont know if they even tryed to control it. It was the size of three city blocks and went on till 2-3 in the morning! I dont see it being any different this year, but then again the SPAC didn't have water so you never know.
Looks like I am headed to Camden.
Scored an 8th row ducket and have a driver..
See you clowns there
Right on Cryp.
Camden will most likely have the biggest Shakedown of tour. In 2000 they were only allowing you to drink inside the fenced in lots and would make you go back in if you tried to take it out into the street. I saw a cop tell a kid who couldn't have been more than 17 to drink in the lot, not the street.
This is also the only venue that ever took my weed at the gate.
well they'll have to pry my cold dead hands off that can of Budweiser if they want it.
Sunwave, Yes I remember all too well the Buckeye thought it was 94 not 95 though. Got delayed by work, even though on the road and got in to late to see Traffic; already raining by the time we got parked so didn't bring in my DAT.
I'll always remember the big shit-eating grin on Jerry's face as they broke out the Mighty Quinn; it was like he knew that this was one of my favorites and was saying "you should have brought in your deck..."
Just to keep the positive energy going; because I got held up by work, I told my boss we were going to take a couple of extra days and we went on up to the Palace and caught Jerry's birthday shows.
What a tour that was... Eugene to RFK...
Way to go Broda!
I will see your ass there, and raise you one this time!
Any word on wether Jorma and Willie will sit in with the boys?
From the USAToday live chat with Phil.
>Cumberland, Maryland: Do you think there will be any interaction between you and Willie Nelson on stage?
>Phil Lesh: Absolutely- I sent him some Jerry songs to choose from.
Dude I can't wait. I'll be Camden. I was at SPAC and Hartford and it was awesome man. This time I'm gonna try and hook up with those 18 year old hippy chicks. I know a guy who did and he wasn't even a good look'n dude. All I know is that he got some real action. Later y'all.....
The scene at Camden should be pretty decent. There are plenty of lots but , the ones by the bridge were replaced by the campbell field. Home of the Camden River Sharks! There is actually a game that day so go early so you don't have to end up in gridlock
Oops, maybe it was '94, yes, now I remember, how the images all seem to bleed together. Can't wait to see Willie and Phil!!!!!!!!
Yesterday I was about to post a message that would have noted how it used to be imperative to get to this venue plenty early lest you end up in MAJOR gridlock and traffic chaos but that it seems to have been much better recently. Now you tell me they've built a ball field and there's a game on Saturday??!! DEfinitely bad news. So I'd strongly advise you folks that can (I can't as usual) to arrive early and/or take the ferry from Penn's Landing (I know folks who swear by this method, but you have to get on the boat right after the show).
Does anyone know if Camden has a curfew? I'm concerned that we may be in for a one setter and I'd like to have my head prepared for it.
And yeah, Corbin, it was '94 for the last Buckeye show and speaking of bleeding, remember how the on-stage intercom was bleeding into the house feed that night (probably 'cause of all the moisture)? I was getting a chuckle out of it. The rain made that show special, somehow.
See y'all tomorrow!!!
You had to go and tell them about the ferry! Thanks dude. Nah, just kidding. It does run up to an hour after the show though, so that's cool. I called to see if I could get any info about times etc.. They said that the show will probably go until 11. I don't know if they have a curfew per se. I've been there after 11 before but, I don't know. I hope it's two sets.
I don't know about you all, but i am ready for this show.
spent all morning getting sodomized by Army budget people
and i mean sodomized
Cryp (et al),
I'm with you. I am more than ready. Gotta contain it tho'. Still a half day of work/sodomy and still no baby sitter!! Any volunteers? Great kids! Be your best phriend!!
In the construction buisness, we refer to that as a PeePeeWackin. Comparable to getting your dick slammed shut in a car door. Although ive never actually done that, those who have say it dreadfully painful.
don't use the ferry. the line is ten miles long to get over to the show. you don't have your car to tailgate, cooler, chairs, etc... i made the mistake of taking the ferry once. plus you have to pay. where has Ramblin' Rose gone?
Just a feeling...I think we'll get two sets of Phil @ Camden...and I think we'll get to see Jorma, Willie, and Phil...it just feels so right.
the lot scene...yeah, get there early. the lot by the bridge which is no longer thanks to the ball field...made such a great Shakedown...always left alone until every other lot cleared out, plenty of time to shake it on down...hard to say what lot you should head to this time...but there's no doubt in my mind that we're in for a good ol'time...
the blood drive...DEFINITELY get there early. When Phil came through in April, I don't think there was too much said about it...kinda low key & it was a zzzzoooooo...can't say for sure since I was on a plane to Jazz Fest...but I hear it didn't matter if you had an appointment. this time around, people are talkin it up...such a good cause does deserve the word...I even heard the local public radio station (88.5 wxpn for philly) make an announcement about it. the station has been talking up the show for sometime, but now they are talking up Phil's appearance at the blood drive. Red Cross is one of my corporate clients...I think I need to call in some favors!!!
Buckeye '94...woo hoo!!! bleeding into the house feed and moisture...I don't know what you're talkin about...just kiddin, but I was havin an especially hard time that day makin heads or tails of anything so I just blamed anything & everything on the party favors we had that day...oh yeah, Might Quinn was mighty fine
I wonder if the Red Cross has spoken to Phil and asked him to do some public service announcements...?
It would be great to show the rest of the conservative, mainline members of society what good doobies us Heads really are and can be.
I'm not a conservative, mainline member of society, but I play one at work. Stupit question:
where is this blood drive and what time is it supposed to start?
Ditto that party favors comment, Bkind, I was in another state of mind that day. What fun, really enjoyed Jerry doing "I want to tell you" by the Beatles. Great cover tune. I think I remember Bob going up to the mike to say "Is this thing on" and it snapped at him and he jumped back, crowd cracked up.
>I'm not a conservative, mainline member of society, but I play one at work.
if they only knew what the hell went on after the 5pm whistle blew...
>I'm not a conservative, mainline member of >society, but I play one at work.
>if they only knew what the hell went on after >the 5pm whistle blew...
oh yeah...if the big boss man here heard my whistle blowing...I'd be out the door with an unemployment check in hand - guess I wouldn't have to worry about findin time to go on tour...
hey Sunwave - FYI, I think the blood drive is from 8 am - ?? with Phil scheduled from 11a -2p ...i don't have the exact addy handy, but it's right around 8th & spring garden in Philly..maybe 6th or 7th...walking distance from the eFactory if you know where that is
Camden im sure will be fantastik...always a killer scene yet i cant believe they destroyed my faveorite parking lot with that beautiful view of the river and all... anyway...
i wanted to point out the high possibility of a HELP ON THE WAY>>>SLIPKNOT>>>FRANKLINS TOWER.
Im not saying phil works like this but i have been studying the setlists and happened to notice that phil has played this every five days starting with july 3rd. figure it out. if my math is right and there is a certain air about the ecentre we are in store for some serious shit
see you there
p.s. i have an extra ticket just hollar my name
Just posting to say, I'm getting on the bus with Camden, riding it through to Charlotte. Hope to meet some philzoners. Wishing myself and everybody else a safe, hassle-free, tour! peace, Hilary
wowie zowie skippy and his oreo cookies last night at pnc. a mother of a show. i thought they were closing the 2nd set with revolution. i would have been happy with that but we still got 4 more. +2 encores what a show cant wait until tonight. i should start saying today by now, the birds are chirpin' out there.
Hey Now people,
I have AT LEAST 2 tix for tonight. Left lower pavilion, midway up, inside four seats to the isle. Probably have 3 as the wife had to bail at the last moment. Face or like in kind. Call me
617-851-3189 mobile I'll be to Camden late- like 3ish.
ok - what happened tonight.. the west coast can only take so much excitement.. leads to earthquakes. etc.. betcha phil rocked the rictor scale tonite!!
PHIL RULES !!!!!
Here's the list...Thanx Brian for the call, FRANKL for bein' home...
Jam (Wish You Were Here tease)>
Watchtower>Jam (Wharf Rat tease)>
Doin' That Rag
GDTRFB(reluctant Willie pulled back on
stage, sings "going where the water tastes
like wine") There was a willie song before
GDTRFB, but we don't know what it was.
Rumour says "Cloudy Monday"
Here's the list...Thanx Brian for the call, FRANKL for bein' home...
Saturn Jam (some of it is Pink Floyd-ish,
then a serious reggae jam)>
Dear Mr. Fantasy>
Jam (Cumberland Tease)>
Waiting on Encore...
yes TryPtanite, what is PL&F gonna set off this
Last weekend it was Mt Etna!
Whoops...a little premature on that encore stuff....
And here's the Willie song...
Here's the list...Thanx Brian for the call, FRANKL for bein' home...
Jam (Wish You Were Here tease)>
Watchtower>Jam (Wharf Rat tease)>
Doin' That Rag
Will The Circle Be Unbroken w/Willie Nelson
GDTRFB(reluctant Willie pulled back on
stage, sings "going where the water tastes
Saturn Jam (some of it is Pink Floyd-ish,
then a serious reggae jam)>
Dear Mr. Fantasy>
Jam (Cumberland Tease)>
She Said, She Said>
The Other One>
Thank You, Dan!
I wish I were there!!! Phil, come back to Denver soon!
What an amazing set list. Sounds like Phil did not dissapoint. Everyone who saw the show I'm jealous as hell! Can we get some details??
Phil,Willie,Warren and everyone kicked ass tonight!
I've got one question, though. Before Phil came on, there was a man in a wheelchair on he aisle between general and reserved seating holding a sign that said "7-28-01 - the Wheel". Then Phil comes out and opens with "the Wheel".
This was a monster show. The jams, particularly in the early going of the second set were liquid beauty. (Is Warren the most beautiful slide player since Duane Allman, I ask you?) The opening of set 2 through Mason's Children seemed to take about 45 minutes. Incredible lyric jamming. After that they turned the power up and just rocked. They set up a fantastic groove in Mason's and that power carried them through. They returned to Dark Star for the second verse after a beautiful Days before She Said. Dark Star itself went some scary places after Days. The Other One was a total shock, dropped on us like a bomb. Shakedown was incredibly powerful. Passenger was a grungefest. By the way, the first Willie song was, I think, Uncloudy Day.
well we can feel the shock waves comin' from tonites show all the way here on the golden shores.. what a setlist as usual from the best band on the planet!!!
The Jam out of the Wheel teased Shine On, not Wish You Were Here. Also, there was a smoking ,but short, Caution Jam out of Fantasy. God, am i toastyed.
Great Weather again!!! Hot Tuna sat and bounced feet with fingers flying for an hour with Phil and more watching at times. Even did an encore.
Willie played 1 hour and 40 or so, very fine guitar and nice singing, including a song with Phil on bass(!). (in his set was Will The Circle Be Unbroken not done with Phil).
Phil set 1 had long Wish You Were moments, later jams went so many places and spaces thru Cumberland paces into Doing That Rag! They stopped that thrill to roaring cheer, and out came Willie with guitar & mic, shows Jimmy & Rob chords fast to do 1 song (mic not up much at first), went to leave and Phil keeps him on for GDTRFB with Willie singing and featured guitar too.
They pounded together a very strong beat for Mason's, was so great while it lasted! I think they could have kept that rocking jammin going longer, I would have loved more, it then spun & did some weaves for nice Dark Star playing and then verse. Next it did go out there and then some darkness, and surprisenly mixed into Days Between which jammed into a Dark Other place/beat - and yes The Other One, with bomb and Spanish Lady verse and then spaced into Dark Star (did they sing that again? gee She Said was in there too), followed by Shakedown!
Phil said he met 150 or so at the Blood Drive ... then we were rocking out with Passenger.
Phil was onstage at 7:50.. Watch said past 12:20 when we got outside (slowly), and as I thought, gee set 1 wasn't too long (was it?), maybe the break was, or some stuff happened in set 2 since they kept playing more.
Is this Saturn Jam kinda feel like jammin on He's Gone intro? That was early set 2. Piece of Mountain Jam flavored set 1 maybe before Rag. Beatles songs on between Phil sets. Nice crowd, seemed fairly filled with room to move too.
Uncloudy Day was indeed the first Willie Tune,and that 2nd set was one of the best sets ever. by ANY band on the planet
All I can say is I showed my face, I do exist and all beyond the She Said was a major gift. Met some very cool people, I know, its about time. Brian, Hershey is the place...has to be. Glad I am going, because we know last night was all of my very favorite songs....killer save in my book, that She Said.... but hey, thats why they have so many tunes in rotation.
the willie tune uncloudy day is actually a traditional southern gospel tune. its in one of my dads old church hymnals. this song was probably written before willie was born. this show had some great moments but it seemed like they couldn't jam their way into songs as smoothly as at the pnc show which absolutely blew this one away. dont get me wrong the show was great it just didnt live up to the night before.
Sorry, dont want to bite here, I am pretty sure it was Shine on Your Crazy Diamond, and a very long instrumental Hes Gone, Wharf Rat all over the place too..........
Set 1: Felt like a post space GD segment as they worked through fine versions of Wheel> Watchtower. Rag was super tight, although Rob forgot to switch on his mic for the start. It was great to see Willie up there jammin, but I couldn't hear a word he sang for the 1st song (Uncloudy Day?). He said his thank you's and was walking off stage when Phil grabbed him and got him to stay on for another song. It looked like Phil was asking him if he knew some songs. After Willie shook his head no twice, he got a big smile and plugged his guitar back in an they fired up the GDTRFB. Saw it the night before, but it was fun seeing it with Willie. He stepped up for a few guitar solos too.
Set 2: Mr.Fantasy was over the top, only to be followed by an equally rockin Mason's. I'd rather not see a Dark Star>Daze>Dark Star. Just too much darkness and space for my sober head. She Said>O1>Shakedown kicked it into high gear. It was obvious Phil was watching his curfew as they cut the jam in Shakedown short to leave time for a straight ahead rockin Passenger encore.
Overall I thought everything was very well played and I had a blast. The He's Gone teases were punishing, maybe Hershey? Comparing it to PNC the night before, I'd have to say I liked PNC better.
THANK YOU PHIL!
Fantastic show but major POLICE BRUTALITY!!!!!! If you witnessed a plain clothes officer driving a black Mercury minivan club a guy in the head in the parking lot where they let us set up boothes at about 6:15 please report it to Camden Ploice Patrol Division Commander Jim Phillips at 856-757-7016. I wouldn't be surprised if the guy he clubbed suffers permanent damage...perhaps he could lose his life!!!!
What a show! It was my first for this tour and I have three more to see. We took my nephew, who is 10, to the show his first and he was freaking out. He is into Iron Maiden and groups like that. We had a good laugh after Dark Star when he said with a totally serious face, "What happened, can't that piano player play?" That was some awesome jammin outta Dark Star! We will have to take him to more shows! Can't wait for Merriweather!!
"I'd rather not see a Dark Star?....too much
darkness?.........." never thought I'd hear that
said. She Saaid>Other One>Shakedown. The brutality!
Once again, Phil did not dissappoint. Seeing Herring and Haynes together was a real treat. They meshed well and seemed to be having fun. Did you guys listen to Herring tear apart that watchtower? Wow! Willie joining the group to close set one with gdtrfb was historic.
Mason's children was sweet! great feel, kinda up-beat.......beautiful vocal harmonies. Agree the Days Between in between Dark Star verses 1 & 2 was a bit much........somewhat saddening. I miss Jerry.........
She Said, Other one, and Shakedown really rocked the house.......Passenger rarest break-out of the tour so far, if you ask me.
I think he said Dark Star > Days Between are too much similar feeling, maybe need some happy dancing mixed in the swirls.
Come on, who else left the lot early enough to see Phil play with the Willie Nelson Band minus bass?? Confirm and they will write it so.
Looking for a Walrus again at Hershey, but since I already got Mason's and Shakedown I should just smile for "anything".
Clock onstage facing performers of openning acts, with "End Time" 5:30 on chalk board for Tuna (7:30 for Willie), as time and curfews require some "management" considering. The ringing in my ears is not my alarm clock, but I do have to get in car now to go (starts at 3:30!).
The Willie song "Uncloudy Day" can be found on (among other albums I'm sure) his "Troublemaker" album. Beautiful song.
Yeah...whatever...maybe you should just stay home...I thought the Dark Star was awesome...like Phil says..."This music wants to be played"
The music is playing the band....The quintet is an unbelievable manifestation of a cosmic tap to the infinite beauty all around...The music is such a stunning experience that it aligns my brain waves in so many weird ways then tangles them up in a knot and mysteriously untangles them back into some "other one"....
Seeing Phil up there playing is nothing short of a miracle...We are so blessed to be able to witness this music...Phil almost didn't make it through just a few short years ago...So I say...whatever incarnation the music manifests itself in through these guys is a gift....
I know that Jerry is Standing on the Moon and smiling with a tear in his eye thinking "I'd rather be with you."
Phil has a sticker on one of his amps behind him on stage that says..."I miss Jerry"
Jerry's presence is everywhere...
What a gift it is to see these musicians...
Next stop Hershey!!!
What will they play next? ("Freebird" in Atlanta?)
Phil did come out with Willie....although I'm struggling to remember what song it was. When Phil unplugged and gave way to Willie's bass player, Willie said something like "Stay right there my friend", but Phil just shook his head and walked off with a big grin on his face
I believe Phil joined Willie for Milk Cow Blues. It seemed as though he was having problems with his bass. Willie asked him to stay for another tune, and Willie's bass player offered Phil his ax. Phil gracefully declined.
The last three nites were completely fulphilling. As my buddy said at Jones Beach when I asked him if he wanted to move to the Phil Zone for second set, "It's all the Phil Zone now."
Just wanted to say thanx for all the reviews. Its about time to see all the possitives outwiegh the negative here the past few shows. Me and my wife thank you!!
Also, the other night , I had a dream that the Friends played HIGHTIME and U.S. BLUES in Charlotte in one week!!
Phil>>If you have any of your staff monitoring this forum, Make that dream a reallity!!haha
Im sure it will be grate anyway!!
Again thanx to all you Heads. Yall are realy taking us back in time!
open letter to 'fans' in commuter parking lot
I have been a serious fan since 1980. I've been to many shows from Alpine Valley to UVM to South Carolina and EVERY Hockey arena in the Northeast.
I always enjoyed the music and the scene. On Friday, however, I was forced from the parking lot by an angry mob. My wife and I were taunted and forced to leave.
What did we do to provoke this reaction???
We pulled up in our new convertible sports car which we were enjoying on a perfect summer day. I was wearing a polo shirt (my tie-dye was in the trunk) Since when does being a 'deadhead' include being intolerant to anybody that appears different - and showered?
We were shaken up as were exited to the highway and found the general parking lot. We were still upset until the lights went down and the Wheel began to play. We never looked back from our front row seats.
the above posting belongs to pnc bank center from phriday. we continued on to camden and had a great time on saturday. The crowd we sat with was friendly. I loved watching Phil watch Jorma, Willie was great and Phil IS the music.
PS we had a great ride home to long island - listening to string cheese all the way.
I would like to thank God that we all have Mr. Phil here with us and his new friends creating new music, playing older music and just having fun in general! We are all blessed as music fans to have Phil still around here with us today! Instead of arguing all the time with one another, lets' try to talk and reason then maybe we as music fans can really help make a change in the world!
Have to agree with the last two posts. Phil looked like he was thirty years old and having a blast. He sprinted on the stage like a rabbit to play Milk Cow Blues. Besides hearing him play with Willie it was a hoot just to see him move like that having so much fun. He was clearly enjoying himself during Hot Tuna reacting with surprise and pleasure to some of the stuff Jorma and Jack did. (and well he should have it was a great set)
He is laughing on stage, directing the band, spreading the joy of this music. It is beautiful to have him doing this. I am grateful for this time.
Help me please people. The security situation at Camden was horrible. I must tell my story brothers and sisters. I attempted to enter the show on sat night with a sheet of rolling paper and a bottle of Doans. The security guy immediatly demanded that I come with him. I was taken to a room where I was beaten and forced to undergo medical examinations against my will. I was then strapped into a chair and forced to watch pornographic snuff films for the entire time of the show. During this time, two security guards were brought in to hold my eyelids open.
I was fianally released at 3:00 am. I located the head of security and explained what happened. All he said was " Aside from that, how did you enjoy the show?" Has anyone else had a similar experience at this venue?
I just heard on the news a minute ago that the riot at Camden was caused by the police trying to arrest 8 nitrous vendors. They resisted.
This all happened during the show (so, of course, I missed it) but there was a real dark vibe in the lot after the show.
On the bright side, this show was beautiful. I hit 10 shows this summer and this was my only Dark Star. I was starting to get worried.
Maybe it was just in my head, but I thought the Floyd thing at the begining was a Dark Side jam. Kind of like Breathe. Whatever it was, it was very loose. Pure improv.
This show gets a B-
I think this was a dark vibe show completely.
I was immediately put off by witnessing three cops bust a dude for drinking a beer near the waterfrom park. Then the scene was just a little bummin. I mean, fun, but clearly this was like, Philadelphia- uptight cops and some fans that acted like little punks. ( nothing to do w/ punk rock)
The first set was okay, Rag was very short and Wheel was like 40 minutes. I saw the band huddled near the drum set before the show, Phil was waving for everyone to huddle. He seemed irritated.
Second set jammed forever, Fantasy was like 45 minutes long and Darkstar, while impressive was a bunch of noodling and tinkering on stage, which left me irritated. I was waiting for someone to play a song or riff, but it all sounded like a sound track to a national geographic film on whales. Constant screaching and moaning.
I do not believe anyone wanted to sing that night. Darkstar was just another tune to fill in and drag out the show- It was nice and jammy and other one>shakedown was awesome! Passenger rocked- all of a sudden the show picked up steam. Don't get me wrong this show had hot spots but was overall very sleepy- people were leaving in droves by mid set two.
Phil needs smaller venues- Maritime Hall was great !
I was in and out of this show- shitty neighbirhood made west oakland look like Pacific Palasades.
Phil thanks and to all thaks for a rgeat sumemr tour- Hartford was a super Hot show and is my choice for show of the summer, it was A. Peace all.
where was all this shit going down?
I saw nothing at all resembling this type of behavior by either the cops or anyone going to the show.
It was all in the far lot, Cryp (which is where I parked)
My friends saw a car chase and then shortly after had about 50 cops with riot gear close the lot down.
Although the news this morning blamed nitrous dealers, I heard through the grapevine that is was over a 10 pack (which, I guess, is as good a reason to resist arrest as any. If I was going down for a 10 pack I think I'd make a run for it too)
This makes 3 shows I was at this summer where the man used pepper spray (that I know of). I think that sucks
DAZE!!!! So sweet. Maybe some found it a little too explorative, understandable if you came hoping to groove all night. BUT, Days Between - Darkstar will be a favorite of those getting these shows on tape or CD. Also, the He's Gone instrumental melted over the whole crowd like a warm blanket. dear mr. fantasy, she said, otherone, shakedown, passenger made for a great second set.
One other funny note: The ushers in the front section were questioning Rob Barraco as he tried to sneak out into the crowd to watch Hot Tuna for a few songs. Finally after a brief explanation, Rob slipped into the fifth or sixth row with some friends for some Tuna. Pretty cool.
Lady Shabbazz and I turned out to be a Drunkey Monkeys for this show. I hate New Jersey and Hot Tuna\Willie Nelson\Phil Lesh is the only thing that would ever make me go there for any reason what-so-ever.
The lot scene before the show was pretty cool. Hung out with Jill\Bob and their friends. Tough lot to vend posters in. Met up with some cool people here and there, though! Drank many beers.
Inside, we missed most of the Tuna set. Damn! Paid $7 for beers far too many times. Spent way too much cash. Drunkey Monkeys is right!
Willie's set was fantastic. I love Willie! Seeing Phil step out on Milk Cow Blues was great! I thought he stayed out for Rollin' in My Sweet Babie's Arms and Mountain Dew...Met up with TapeCat at this point who introduced me to Muadb! Woo-Hoo! The rabbid Zoners! Cryp found me right about then. Time for some more beers...
TapeCat later introduced us to BackOnTheBus (Or, as it were, YackOnTheBus). He also sent Dewit up to meet me prior to the first set! I can't tell you how much I love seeing the Zoners!
I caught 3 shows this summer, this being the third, so I was starting to get some repeats...Wheel was a repeat from SPAC, > Watchtower was VERY nice! I'm pretty sure that was a first for me. Then hearing Willie on the Unclouded Day > GDTR was great. Did I mention that I love Willie?
Set Break. Time for some more beers. Hurry up! They stop selling after the break!!
Saturn Jam> Jam> Dear Mr. Fantasy>
VERY SPACEY jams leading up to the Fantasy. Very LONG jams leading up tot he Fantasy. Got to the Fantasy and said, "Whoa! What the shit was just happened?!?"
Jam> Mason's Children>
'Nother repeat from the SPAC, but who's complaining?!?
Dark Star> Days Between> Dark Star>
Finally! I knew it had to hit at Camden or Hershey! Glad I chose to go Saturday night! Woo-Hoo! I proceeded to "dance" like a man possessed.
She Said, She Said> Other One> Shakedown Street
Of the 3 shows I hit, I got an OtherOne at all 3. And, at Finger Lakes, it was a Cryp > She Said > Other One...I just felt like I was reprising my summer shows. Shakedown was a repeat from SPAC, but, again, I was dancing like the Drunkey Monkey that I was...
Stellar. Straight forward version of the tune. Nice powerhouse to end the show.
Afterwards, the lot was FULL OF NITRUS. Everywhere. Sickening!
I'm off the bus until Fall Tour...Have fun down South, y'all!
Ok, I have some definite opinions about this show and I am surprised there hasn't been more debate about it. First off, I think it's necessary to understand that we all know what a gift this music is and how lucky we are to have Phil out there doing it. But, I don't think that automatically means that the music is above some criticism at times. I'm sure even Phil himself would encourage thoughtful commentary, positive or negative on the music - so for those who say "if you don't like it go home" I say take a step back and relax.
The scene outside the show seems to me to have virtually nothing to do with the music inside - well, let me add that probably 90% of the "scene" outside was cool, but the 10% that wasn't stands out all the more. Things that tore down the Dead's scene, or at least contributed to it. Nitrous. Everywhere. More nitrous than I have seen at a "Dead" show in years. I saw 3 separate instances of Heads falling FLAT ON THEIR FACES in the lot and getting up with blood all over the place, knocked out teeth, etc...People, what are you doing to yourselves and why are you bringing that shit into the scene?
If there was a riot I didn't see it and from what I could tell the cops were non-existent in the lots before the show - but if you left the lot w/a beer then you would be busted.
The lot looked like a fucking minefield after the show. Broken glass and trash everywhere. Does it take that much effort to throw your garbage into the trash?
A few other comments about the scene - this has bugged me for years but there is an obvious difference in the intensity level in the seats versus the lawn (at many shows anyway). I'll never understand why people buy tickets for shows and then proceed to talk straight through it. With a band like Phil's particularly on this jam-heavy evening, to be able to *listen* is key. Anyway, it seems like out on the lawn there is way more in the way of blabber through entire songs, obnoxious drunken behavior (ie. people pissing on the lawn right in the audience) while in the seats the focus is much more intent on the music. If you are there for the music great, otherwise maybe you should just stick to the bar.
I dont know if you all saw the scene in the lot, but these cops had bats and were smashing and threatening anyone who got in there way. Those with cameras were also threatened and had them confiscated. (possibly just there film). It was my understanding from friends who witnessed this that one punk smashed a bottle over an undercovers head. When a black van or SUV came crashing through a barrier and the cops with bats came flying out. One mother nursing her baby had the kid ripped out of her hands and subsequently smashing her head into the car she was next to. I understand to an extent the police coming down on the kid with the bottle, but to take down anybody who stood in their way is utterly ridiculous. Im attatching something from a previous message. I hope that anyone that witnessed this or especially caught it on tape will report this incident, or at least post a message so that the victims may be helped. Camden Ploice Patrol Division Commander Jim Phillips at 856-757-7016.
How about the dude that fell off the wall where the last section of pavillion seats are?
cracked his head wide open and got hauled out on a stretcher
The music by and large was fantastic. Different from the Hartford gig I saw last week. As interesting as the Days-Dark Star and related jams were, I thought that would have been better in a theater - perhaps it would have made a difference to be in the seats rather than on the lawn but it, as interesting as it was, seemed to put large segments of the audience to sleep or drive them to the exits early. Actually Days was intense but the instrumental passages seemed to lack focus at times, particularly in transition points where it sounded like Phil would play some sort of rumbling line on his bass and Warren would just be running up and down the guitar with his slide. A little repetitious in my opinion. And I don't think you can say that the segments of people leaving the show were "not there for the music" necessarily - I mean even the most obsesses among us might be put off by 35 minute jams on occasion, particularly if they seems uninspired at points.
Making magic every night, and in the case of Dark Star making magic from almost empty space, is quite a task, no doubt about it - and I make no claims that what they are doing up there is anything short of miraculous at points. In my opinion though this Dark Star was not "progressive" so much as stuck on repeat. It might make for a better listen the 2nd time around though on CD at home.
Hilights for me included just about everything else, especiallly the Other One and Shakedown. The Wheel at the beginning was awesome and I did see that guy in the wheelchair with the sign - pretty cool, maybe he got to make a request to Phil at the blood drive.
I have never seen Willie before but I felt like I had a hundred times by the end of his set. It bored me - again, I think the setting would have been better suited to a theater. It was wonderful to see this living legend and his set had some moments but by and large I thought it was on the sleepy side.
Alright then, I'll be at Maryland and the two NC shows as well. I hope the scene lacks some of the obnoxiousness that I saw at Camden, and frankly I hope that he saves the 35 minutes jams for the indoor theaters on fall tour.
Oh, definite Shine on You Crazy Diamond teases at the beginning, along with the He's Gone as well. Hmmm, with those and the 2nd set tunes I have to think Jerry, or rather, Jerry's absence, was on Phil's mind last night. Thinking of it that way those jams in the 2nd set make more sense - wow, not I really need the CDs of this show.
A little addendum here - the people who sold me the 2 goo balls I had in the lot are guilty of, shall we say 'false advertising' - something else that contributed to me having a less than stellar time at this show - being lied to that is.
No matter, I'll be back on Tuesday night! :)
Ok, so I give Hartford an A+ and Camden a B-. As far as the scene goes Camden was definitely a D, and that wasn't helped much by the dump of a city the venue is located next to either. Rural is better than urban for show "scenes," no doubt.
Sounds like a bunch of f*ckin losers ruining the scene, what else is new!
Wow - was all the rioting going on during the show? What precipitated this, the N2O vendors and trying to shut them down? What about after the show? I don't know, I was on the road immediately after the show so I don't know how harsh the cops may have been in shutting down the scene. What the fuck - why is this shit still happening at shows in 2001?
Police brutality? Idiot drug dealers? Yikes.
Yeah apparently it happened around 5:30 I was already in the show, but friends that arrived late witnessed part of it. It appears an undercover was busting someone and a kid smashed him with the bottle. Thats when it all broke loose. Upon returning to there car they were greeted to a line of police in riot gear and bullhorns who were literally counting down from thirty telling them to clear the lot now. You couldnt even put anything in your trunk without them harrassing you to leave. Im not condoning the stupid kid, but the cops need not harrass and attack innocent people on their way to a 'criminal'.
I expected the scene to be absolute shite. It's in Jersey for cryin' out loud. Jersey is the armpit of America. Flame on if you must, but Jersey is one big strip mall where you can't make left turns. I expected asshole cops and subsequent "less than kind" people in the lot...
And, I saw a few assholes in the lot. I just avoided them in favor of kinder, gentler people. And there were plenty of them!
I didn't see anyone get busted by the cops. Went in early, left as soon as it was over. I did see the "Quality of Life Enforcement" van rolling thru.
The worst thing I saw was some Jamook selling the Crusader Rabbit show. Cryp told me I shoulda kicked him right in the nuts...I think he was right.
The nitrous dealers at Camden are not heads. They are the local mob. No shit. If you don't believe me, just look at one of the guys selling the shit. They do this for every concert and sporting event. Yes, that's right, you can get nitrous at a Philly football game.
no wonder there is a courtroom in the basement of the stadium
nitrous at a sporting event?
Just to clarify the innocent people that were attacked were NOT nitrous dealers. At least not the incident that is being spoken of. Personally I am totally against the stuff. The people were friends of my friends, (and regular old family) hence the concern for posting.
I didn't mean to imply that everyone involved was a nitrous dealer (or even a nitrous user). I know many innocent people were abused. I just heard on the radio (88.5 wxpn) that the riot was caused by attemping to arrest nitro-dealers.
OK. No problem. Im not local to the area and dont know what if anything was presented to the media on the subject. Thanx for the info. Im off to lunch folks.
it sounds like the east coast is as friggin nuts as it was in the 80's/90's. Saw many a great show from washington d.c. to albany new york. But always found the 'scene' kicked up a few notches over the midwest and west coast. Those easterners are some wound up folks.
Just some random thoughts about Sat night’s show. ..
Pre-show: I didn’t park in the main shakedown lot (which was under the Benjamin Franklin bridge), but in my parking lot, I saw a police wagon making quick strikes for nitrous tanks and some cops on foot asking those with balloons to release them. I saw no arrests, just tank confiscation. Also, Why don’t beer drinkers bring plastic cups to these shows? My buddy Ed who came cup-prepared was constantly needled for cups by the goofballs who seem to think they don’t need to bring anything to these shows. Ed was kind enough to share his extras.
Weather was perfect. 70 degrees low humidity.
Willie Nelson was ok, not too exciting. Place was half full for his set. Played some old Hank Williams tunes. He also played Whiskey River and Down on the Bayou. His rockabilly style music made for a pleasant, late afternoon jaunt through the general seating area outside hill in the back of the venue. Phil’s appearance for Milk Cow Blues was nice, but uneventful. I thought it was a bit awkward that Phil didn't stay as invited for the last song. (Mountain Dew I think)
I sat right behind the soundboard for the Phil’s set (got to see Candice at work - great job on the lighting Candice!). This was a very different show than I’ve heard or seen from the PLQ. I recently wrote some negative comments about last years Camden show 7-28-00, (exactly a year before this Camden show) under Matt Vernon’s topic “Phil Essentials ” in the PhilFreak Tape Talk section. As the show unfolded, I was thinking how ironic it was that Phil was playing many of the same songs as last year’s Camden show. (Wheel, Days Between, The Other One, Shakedown) It was almost like he was trying to show how this line-up could outshine last summer’s group. Of course they did. From the opening jam it was evident that this was gong to be one of those dark-themed, chunky shows as was the case of Camden 2000.
Also, I don’t think a show with this line-up has had the opportunity for as much free form jamming as this one. Kind of reminded me of the spring 2000 style of few songs, long jams. When Phil gives his band this much rope, they can either make beautiful improv or crash and burn. In this show they did both. My general observation is the extended jams (ugly, beautiful or cookin) evolved into a lot of dead ends. The jams from this band usually dissolve neatly into a song. On this night they kind of were left hanging.
As usual we were treated to a number of teases. I heard Shine On You Crazy Diamond, Wharf Rat, Tomorrow Never Knows, Norwegian Wood, He’s Gone, Cumberland, Mt Jam and Breathe teases. Dark Star was teased all night until they finally played it.
To me, Wheel signified that here we all were again… same place one year later (with 365 Days Between)
Watchtower was the first set highlight… Powerful and dark
Doin that Rag fit nicely and was played and sung very well
They stopped after Doin that Rag and brought Willie out. It was nice to see Willie on stage with the boys and they certainly were pumped. But The 2 songs with Willie Nelson just didn't work or fit. On the first one, Uncloudy Day, either Willie’s mic was not on or he was wispering. Either way, Willie’s lyrics were very cloudy.. He wanted to leave the stage, but Phil corralled him and after some discussion he stayed for a GDTRFB. I guess it was the only Phil tune Willie knew because it’s unusual to see PLQ do the same tune two nights in a row. (And then they played it with him again the next night in Hershey). Willie’s presence seemed to make Phil and especially Rob very happy.
Second Set opening jam “called Saturn Jam” with its Pink Floyd “Breathe” undertones was beautiful.
Mr Fastasy was nice. Great bass line. Soulful Warren vocals.
Mason’s Children was my highlight. Very upbeat. Nice harmonies This version is IMO much tighter than any tape or disc Dead version I’ve heard.
I have ambivalent feelings about The Dark Star/Days Between sandwich. Both fit into the theme and flow of the show. Both have not been played much since last year, but it seems Phil likes to break both songs out in his Phila leg of his tours. I wonder why. I thought Phil’s vocals were good for Days Between and it fit nicer into this year’s cool clear summer night than last years hot sweaty afternoon version. I heard Warren's Pink Floyd-type slide-work during the song and it really worked well. I know most of the crowd does not like this song. My friend Ed actually fell asleep during this tune.
The She Said>Other One>Shakedown ending was all great stuff. This years’ Warren sung Shakedown blew last years Paul Barrere one away.
Onward to Merewether Post for me, LG, Ed, Wil, Frank and Duck. I'm predicting a monster Help/Slip/Franklin’s.
Thanks Phil! You, Jimmy, Warren, John and Rob are the best!
peace and music to all
Cryp- i saw that guy- he was throwing up blood all high on mushrooms- dude i hope you are okay wherever you are!
The venues are getting to big for Phil. I have relocated to the east after ten years in Berkeley, CA and I must say, california shows are where it's at- the dead shows rocked out there and Phil does too!
Mellowness, kind- little security- especially in CA and no major assholes in the way of first time fans- we all were one at some point (first timer)- but I will say i was never an asshole so i don't mind bashing the assholes who exist.
Leave your Baby at Home! So many fucking mothers and fathers with their infants- or even toddlers- folks the show gets out at 1230- if your kid under 5 leave him at home- seriously- I know I will get shit for this but seriously- talking babbling crying kids are not appreciated at a show.
Second- leave your fucking dog home! For crying out loud.
And please, as has been mentioned by several here- shut the fuck up during the show!
I will take my Hartford show and relish it- great scene- people and awesome music- hartford- the only A+ I ever gave a show by Lesh.
I am sorry to be negative, but not all reviews are always good. This is more about the scene than Phil- who i love and think is a great leader for his cause not to mention musician. But as i posted earlier-this show gets a B-.
See ya all in the fall! - Hopefully!
It was right in front of us...we were off to
the left (facing the stage) of the taper's section..
DIRECTLY behind TC's stand....
I missed the whole incident as i was fixed on the stage and only noticed it once the stretcher was there..
then security stood there with a flashlight over the pool of red until some guy came and mopped it up.
not left, right of the taper section..
Brendan, I think many of those kids you saw really enjoyed themselves as did their parents. I used to say no to kids, but now, I've eased up and think it's ok to bring them to some venues. Hershey was nice for kids. The mid west was nice for kids. But I don't think children should be brought to indoor venues (or sold out venues).
As for the dog comment, I did a good portion of this tour with 3 dogs (none of which were mine) and I was not happy about it. Don't ask why I did it, but leave the damn dogs home. My car's going to stink like dog for months.
And as for shuting up during the show, do you realize that some people have friends who they may not have seen for years but run into at a show? They're not allowed to talk to them? I understand if someone is too loud too long, but don't be one of those anal people who think it is a sin to utter one word when the band is on stage.
Or one of those tools who cup their ears like they are listening to Sir Neville Mariner and the Academy of Saint Martin in the Fields Symphony
it's a fucking concert
Kids begging for CASH! What the hell is with that. I've heard of spare tickets, food, beer, water, cigarretes, BUT CASH! Is this a new one? Some girl and her alternative lingo posse was in front of the entrance BEGGING FOR CASH. The sick thing was seeing some sucker fall into their trap. Actually feeling bad for this numnut and her bullshit story. Maybe mommy and daddys check didn't clear. Either way, I saw her again that night in the beer line! IPA IN HAND! WTF?
Another pleasant interlude- Some dude I know that has been on tour from Red Rocks did tell me about the "ntirous posse" of Philadelphia. And apparently its really big business. Go figure.
Wow, although I was at this show from reading the
reviews of the crowd scene outside I'm wondering
if it was all just a dream . There was a fair
amount of nitrous dealing going on in the lot we
parked in, but nothing that excessive. There
didn't seem to be that much of a "dark" mood to
the crowd we saw either. I missed the whole
busting of heads that apparently went down, but
since I wanted to see the whole show I was already
inside well before it went down.
Hot Tuna was a nice choice to open the
festivities, playing an hour long set with many
classics. Before I Know You Rider Jorma made a
comment about Phil knowing a lot more verses to
the song. We were sitting up close (7th row of
the "pit") and were able to see Phil, Rob and
Jimmmy checking out Jorma's set. They were called
back for an encore, which is pretty good for the
first band of the night.
Willie's set was a lot of fun. I'd never seen him
before and thought he put on a good show. One
song right after another, no real talking to the
crowd, miscellaneous tuning or anything else.
Just play the song, finish and start the next. It
was cool when he brought Phil out for one number,
apparently Phil had some problems with his bass so
he didn't stick around for the set closer. I'd be
inclined to go see Willie again based on the set I
saw. During his set we saw Phil and Jill standing
on the side of the stage for a while, Rob also
seemed to be getting really into it.
Phil's two sets were all about long jams. First
set highlights for me were the Watchtower and
bringing Willie on stage for a couple of songs.
Even though the GDTRFB was a repeat from the night
before it was fun. Everybody seemed to be having
a great time.
Second set started with a long jam that worked its
way to Mr. Fantasy, which was outstanding. They
continued to jam, and then dropped into a massive
Mason's Children, which rocked hard. Quite a
treat seeing them jam through this one. Out of
Mason's into an exploratory Dark Star->Days
Between->Dark Star which was well done. The She
Said->Other One->Shakedown rocked from start to
finish, the band jamming out and the crowd under
the pavillion dancing the whole time. Passenger
for the encore totally ripped, a fun way to end a
great day/evening of music.
After the show we headed to our car and left
pretty quickly since we had a long drive ahead of
us. Again, we missed whatever bad craziness was
(cupping ears and yelling at Cryp)
"Dude, shut up! I'm trying to watch the show!"
My main complaint of the show is the incompetance of the guy working the camera. When Jimmy was ripping, there was a 20 foot image of Warren moving the hair out of his face. The camera would stay there until a split second before it was Warren's turn to rip, and then the carera guy would anti-climacticly switch to Jimmy just in time to catch the first chord of him strumming during Haynes' power jam. I'd fire the guy personally.
Concerning the rouge cops, I didn't see too much "L.A. style" policing, but my buddy did here a 7 foot, 300 lb pig mutter "fucking scumbags" as we and a group of granolas walked by the pack of three pigs.
Jones beach and Hartford were head and shoulders better than the Tweeter. The show was not bad, just mellow.
Glad I have been skipping this branch-shut up during a show where the music is the whole point, be careful and say please and thank you, do not have tanks in full view, and use trash cans. Don't be blatant with your drugs, and respect the rules, for what they are. 99 out of 100 times you will be left alone, and not picked on by the law. All coming from someone who doesn't party. The Camden/Philadelphia police are assholes, always have been, nothing new here, so why all of the surprise. The only incident I did see was a jerk in the parking lot, eyes wigging on something, sucking on a balloon. Cop on a bike goes up and attempts to take the balloon, and the freak screams as if he's being beaten, and fights the cop over his balloon. What the hell, I would have beat the creep up...News Flash here, we are not God, and if doing a few things like not openly displaying tanks, putting beer in a cup and general politeness makes a scene better, why are there not more doing it...and I don't mean all of the fine folks I met. Hey, when did the guy fall, I was sitting with TC, and missed all of this.
It was DIRECTLY behind where you and TC were sitting Dewit...
and you saw how high those pavillion seats were off the walkway...
i saw people hopping up and off that ledge all night and was waiting for someone to bust their ass
SOB i was in those pavilion seats left side section 203. Good seats, a little dangerous but plenty of dancing room. Saw the stretcher, missed you guys. Next time.
Maybe it's not a matter of few losers ruining the scene. maybe the scene just plain sucks. That's what I think anyway. The music is great though.
Kids are cool at a show, if they don't cry, don't puke and don't get lost...also when you are down close have them wear earplugs.....
they had IPA at this show?! damn that sounds good
at Alpine Valley security was going around gently popping people's balloons with pins then walking away...one guy near my car had just taken a good hit, relishing it, lots of baloon left, then suddenly POP! i've never seen a more perplexed face in my life. gawd that was hilarious..
Kids are great at shows.
You can use them to barter in the lot for a lighter, pack of smokes....cold beer...burrito..what have you.
Cryp, I take it you have no kids to cramp your style. I respect that...alas, we actually have two things in common!!!
None that I am aware of.
Like we could ever handle little Cryps running around!?
I hope you wil lgive me the benefit of the doubt that I am not an anal asshole who wants evryone to be quiet+ I am talking about people just babling into nowhere, I understand seeing people you have not scene, that happens to me all the time.
Talking with out stopping at a show is downright annoying, at one point, I honestly had difficulty enjoying the show with all the gabbing...but hey, a 27,000 seat arena will bring chatter boxes who loose interest in Phil and gab, because they are there for the first and probably last time.
ok Brendan. I will give you the benefit of the doubt. What I find really annoying is when I can be heard by the person next to me at a normal volume but the guy 3 rows over seems to think he needs to scream every word at the top of his lungs.
The riot was just on the 6 oclock news here but I missed all of it but the last few seconds. The last thing the reporter said was something very close to "This weekends events will be taken into account when hiring security in the future". Looks like Camden won't be partying any more. The fact that it was a P&F show that is going to cause them to increase security sickens me.
I thought that the Camden Show was AWESOME!!! It was just as good if not better than Hartford. Hartford did have a better shakedown street, but the guys at the door in hartford had rubber gloves on and were going through your pockets. I really enjoy seeing the kids at the shows. The family is growing! If they bother your show, extend them the courtesy of moving away from them. THIS WILL KEEP THE (YOUR) BAD KARMA DOWN. If you come to a show expecting people to be quiet and not talk, vomit, gag, belch, fart or cry, scream, throw frisbee's or bring their loved ones, (dogs, kids or other wise) maybe you are carrying some heavy baggage or too many chips on your shoulders.
why is it always night and day?
can't you voice concerns and not be called "negative"? can you be responsible to young childern and loved "family" pets w/o being accused of having a "chip on your shoulder"?
some kids in certain situations might be cool, but not all..so when is it appropiate? when not?
what if someone is vomiting and shouting while holding a newborn baby in one arm and a leash with 2 pitbulls at the end in the other? i guess i have "heavy baggage" if i'm concerned for the baby or other folks...
if we really want the scene to stay as cool as possible we should learn to talk about this, maybe by looking at what would make US welcome to return to any given venue in the future or to not have security hovering over us like hawks...
we need to earn freedom in some situations..
yeah, so I hate to be the voice of sarcasm and reality in this topic, but did they state what the proposed cause of the riot (if you caught that part of the cast) was exactly. I really hate to inform those that want to blame a scene, that quite frankly is a decrepit remnence (sp?) of what we all once knew, on the cause of this "catastophre" whereas it was the officers blatantly using unjust violence against individual people. It, given the condition of Camden, was status quo for the officers (be it they were not feds.), to justify thier actions through blame on the victims. Basically, those of us who have an open mind to the reality of the world and the conditions that surround our circumstance must understand that we are going to be targeted and not allow ourselves to be quieted by our own masses. Alot of people through different sources have questioned the legitamacy of the situation that occured, however as stated previously, do not allow a scene that is a shadow of what it used to be become a device for 'them' to use upon ourselves. On that note. Goodnite
On the topic of nonstop talking at a show, just listen to an aud of 2.9 or 2.10. They didn't shut up all night, and it was beyond annoying. A concert is for listening to the music, or allowing others to do so. If you want to gab all night, go to a bar. The admission and the drinks are cheaper. Sorry, my two cents. Of course, never minded a chat in the good ole days of DRUMS/SPACE...but I think we kept it down, I never heard it on a tape, hey, remember tapes.
must agree with most that camden was amazing
we were chillin in the lawn behind a family with their kids who made friends with another little kid on the lawn, and i must say it totally added to the show watching them dance around and loving every minute of it
as far as the parkin lot goes
gettin to the car only to find out i woudl not be getting my post show grill cheese, but instead fifty police in full out riot gear was totally insane
i read some article nbc put out that said they're cracking down due to neighbor complaints (bullshit)
but hey, its a shame, and thats all there is too it
hope everybody who was there enjoyed it as much as i did
only wish i was catchin more of the tour
Neighbor complaints? The place is a crack town.
They need to get work done in those crack houses!
KEEP IT DOWN!
Now that, is very funny!
Work to bedoen in them crack houses+ baaahahahaha!
The hilarity abounds
As I said earlier, I missed whatever went down in
the parking lot and didn't see any coverage of it
in the newspaper or on the TV news, so I can't
About the thread regarding taking kids to shows, I
have mixed feelings (for the record, I don't have
kids and have no intention of ever having kids).
If parents are responsible with their kids it's
probably a good thing. By responsible, I mean
don't take them to indoor shows (too loud and
smokey, IMO), keep your head together and above
all else keep an eye on your kids. They are going
to see some things that they probably shouldn't
such as people smoking a lot of pot and consuming
other drugs and probably some drunken stupidity
(especially if alcohol is being served in the
venue). If they are very young they won't know
what is going on. If they are of school age they
might, and it's really your call as to whether or
not they can handle being exposed to this sort of
stuff. Outdoor shows with a nice lawn where you
can set up a blanket away from the biggest crush
of the crowd (after all, you can't realistically
expect that dancing people who constantly bump
into full-grown adults are going to somehow avoid
stepping on your kids) can be a good thing for
young kids. Hopefully, they get into the music
and the fact that most of the people there are
giving off a good vibe.
Dogs at shows, on the other hand, I am totally
opposed to (and I have two dogs). What the heck
to people do with their dogs when they go into the
show? Leaving them in the car is wrong because
they stand a good chance of overheating, leaving
them tied to the car is a good way to give
somebody else a free dog. Dogs generally don't
like the crowds and confusion that makes up a
typical Shakedown Street, too much sensory
overload for them. Find someone to take care of
your dogs if you are touring, put them in a
kennel, or decide if you are responsible enough to
have a dog (we leave the dogs at home for a
one-day show and leave them with my parents when
we go away for a couple of days).
Talking about them crackhouses, maybe next year the city can lease them to the nitrous vendors for the night. Camden would get some much needed revenue, the gashogs could get their fix without falling all over the place, and parking lot traffic would be a lot easier to deal with. Food for thought, no?
you are a genius...
Scott for Camden City Planner!
nice one scott,
Any thoughts on how you would fix newark, nj? besides building a fence and dropping a bomb?
Have Phil play an extended fall run at the new Arts Center. Then refer back to the Camden plan.
YES! You are a genius my friend!
NJPAC - PHIL TOUR FALL 2001!
plenty of nitrous houses to use. Easily accessible by mass transit! Unlike Camden, every thing is totally legal in Newark as long as you are a tax abiding citizen! 1/2 step on the Passaic! Possible big river blues? DEEP ELM????? And im sure ALL the fine citizens will be MORE then happy to great us all (might cost a cigarette or too). Could possibly be bigger then when the Pope Mobile came through.
And while we're at it, maybe we could put some locals to work sitting the dogs and kids. Hell, to hear you tell it, they could be PAID in cigarettes.
Brother, a cigarette tip goes a LONG WAY IN NEWARK.
Whew! what a thread to follow; glad I got the the venue early...
Woke up at the rest stop on 195, took care of business and headed on into Camden.
Lots weren't open when I arrived; approximately 12:30 or so, not sure, didn't bring a watch. Parked on a side steet near the venue. Talked to a couple of people and found out there was a pizza place just a block or so further from the venue, behind the Level 3 building. Not to worried about walking around during the day. Place was called New York Pizza and the ownere was very kind. Had a couple of slices and he gave me three for two on a couple more for after the show. Took them back to my car and off for a walkabout around the venue; acclimation and o find a ticket. Nice venue, reminded me of Riverport near St. Louis at least from the outside. Called home to let my honey know I was OK and what had transpired the night before.
Very few early arrivers, probably because they knew when lots would open and didn't wnat to just drive around. No box office open either.
Spent some time down by the river; met a few Kind people and when I came back by the lots were open and people were setting up. I took a walk through the VIP lot on the way back to my car and scored a lower level ticket; Section 100 Row P Seat 1; Thanks Richard for letting me have the aisle.
Back to my car to change my clothes; went back to the pizza place, since the had a clean bathroom. Ate another piece, washed down with soad and off to the show. Had to pass through the lot across from the venue and that was where the majority of the notrous was after the show. No one parked there at the point I went in. Wanted to see Jack and Jorma, so went right on in. Seats were great, 16th row aisle towards the center. Good sound all over the venue, lawn and all.
You all have seen the set list by now; not a whole lot to add there.
Not much mention of the light show, it was truly superb from the pavillion, not sure how it came across from the lawn. We had a severe aisle nazi, but he was just doing his job. Kept pulling creepers out through both sets of P&F. Rendevouz point became lawn section 3.
I do want to reiterate what Puckewedan said:
Saturn Jam (some of it is Pink Floyd-ish,
then a serious reggae jam)>
Dear Mr. Fantasy>
To call this a serious reggae jam was an understatement. This thing, probably shook the town.
Last but not least, I need to say a few words about the post show activities.
I know that a few people didn't like the DS>Days>DS; Carol and I are friends with a couple, who are about to have a baby. Deanne had been ordered to bed for High blood pressure and right at the opening of Daze, I had an awful premonition of something bad happening to her or the baby. I finally shook it; convinced myself that everything was gonna be alright. After the show, I just had to call home to find out though.
I had left credit card in car, travelling light for these Jersey shows, so had to get back and get it before calling home. Had to walk by the lot with all of the nitrous and it was truly hideous. It looked bad and sounded worse. Most of the people, I saw in it looked roasted and toasted. Got my card and back the same way; wasn't sure if the cops would let me back to the phone I had used before the show, by the river, but hooked up with a couple guys I had met and one of them let me use his cell phone to call home. Carol assured me everything was OK with Deanne and the baby. I decided to get on out of town, as the police presence was starting to look massive.
Stopped and spoke to an officer, told him my situation and that I just wanted to get out of town and start heading up to Boston, but wanted to stop somewhere more quiet to call home, because I am sure I freaked Carol out, when I called on the cell from the lot. This officer was way cool, the officer I spoke to before the show was also cool and the ones I spoke to on the way back to my car were also, so soory for the brutatlity, but I didn't expereience any of it thankfully.
Bout the time I got to the car, all hell broke loose in the area; Firetrucks, sirens, lights etc... Ate my pizza standing by the car and decided to wait the situation out.
Things finally settled down after about 15-20 minutes and I attempted to follow the officer's directions, only to get turned around. Ended up at a dead end, with a cop and tow truck facing me down. The TT driver asked where I was heading and got me on the turnpike; found a rest stop and what a treat. Ice cream at the rest stop, boy thay could use that in Colorado and several other states. :-)
Got up in the AM, socialized with a few Phriends, headed up to Boston.
Favorite bakery (Biscotti's) had just closed the week before. :-( Favorite resturant (Terramia) was still in business, had a great meal, found another bakery and haeaded back to my car.
It had been towed... :-( Kind kid took me to the facility and fortunately I had a $100 bill in the car, which they relieved me of, they only take cash.
On to Nashua and some sleep.
See you all in Atlanta on Sunday; if anyone wants hook up and get something to eat on Saturday night, just let me know on the Peach to Beach thread.
Sorry to be so long-winded...
Randall, thanx for putting that reggae jam back in my head. I knew Phil was playing roots (e.g. the new Soulshine arrangement), but remember thinking during that jam that the man is now a frickin' DUBMASTER. He could teach Lee Perry and Mad Professor a thing or two.
Another couple of good places there on Hanover/Salem Headlight:
The Daily Catch
try em out next time you are there
personally, to solve the problems with playing camden
i think phil should move back to the factory or the tower
the whole balcony moves with the crowd at the tower
and as far as the nitrious busts goes.....thats not a phil problem, its a philadelphia problem....fu center shows, eagles games...its everywhere
and....in other regurads to kids at shows
i was one of those kids at one time
and i wouldnt give up those times for the world
i saw a whole culture that very few my age got to
and i think its the best thing in the world for a kid to have a certain amount of exposure to that kind of thing......gives you teh real effect of what can happen when you're stupid
as long as you've got responsible people looking after them, its all good.......however i do agree witht he indoor venue deal--not a good idea
The nitrous problem is definitely a Philly problem. I'm from Philly and as soon as we pulled into the lot I knew I was back home. Its a shame, but honestly the lot wasn't that bad overall. It was a great day, and in general people on Shakedown were in good spirits. I know a bunch of people who were vending in the lot and they didn't have any problems themselves, but one of my friends did actually get pushed by the cops during the whole 'riot'. He saw what happened and from his description, it got pretty bad. It also seems like both sides were to blame, but we all agree that pushing through innocent people, and driving through them, is not neccessary. The people at these lots are generally, fun-loving peaceful people, and when the cops show up looking to start trouble, they're eventually going to find it. It really is a shame but there's realy nothing we can do about it (especially in Camden.)
On a happier note, I was able to make it to the blood drive and had a great time. Things weren't that packed at all. I showed up at around noon and I was out by 1:30. Thats includes giving blood, sitting there for 10 minutes so the volunteers don't freak out, waiting in line, and a solid five minute conversation with Phil. He really is an incredible human being. He talks to everyone like they are his new best friend and you really get the sense that he means everything he says. You also get the feeling that he really loves what he's doing right now. His face would glow when anyone would ask him how he was enjoying playing with his Friends. He's having fun and we're having fun. I think its great that he uses his fame for a good cause that you know he obviously cares about quite a bit. And to get his crowd to give blood is quite an accomplishment. I felt really good leaving the Red Cross and I would really recommend you all go the next time he has a blood drive. But if you do go, please give blood, I guarantee you'll feel a lot better if you do.
I'm from right across the river in Philly and I'd like to see Phil start booking gigs at the Mann Music Center, just on the opposite side of the Philly skyline. It has a Much better atmosphere than Camden! There is lots of grass (as opposed to all black pavement) statues and fountains across the parking areas. Much better sound too! A lot of times better settings provide for a much better time!
Ok, I dont often post on here. But I looked for a long time for a website with some insight as to what I saw go down in that lot last weekend. This place seems to be it. Last weekends mini-riot was absolutley out-of-hand!
Many numerous heads (including females!!) were being hit and beaten and tossed into patty-wagons for no other reason than being in the wrong place at the wrong time. These cops were hitting any and all people that were in their way. And we all know how the shakedown is, its full of people. That is the way it is. But these cops drove their cars down the middle of it, knocking down peoples stands of glass and grills and other belongings. And then the vendors had the luxory of getting beat up after rightfully declaring WTF!!!
I saw no nitrious on the shakedown, it was all in the outskirts of the lots, yet the cops come flying down shakedown?? Umm, ok.
I can assure you that I will be calling that phone number and thank whoever it was that put it up. Last weekend truely was an outrage and I hope bands will soon just give up on playing in that shithole of a town called Camden.
Thanks for listening to my ramblin...
from what i've heard undercover cops were arresting a drug dealer and a group of swillie scumbags started throwin bottles at the cops instead of letting the cops take the kid away. granted the cops overreacted but it started because of assholes who think drugs are legal and it is there right to sell them. in an urban setting such as camden the police can be pretty brutal if provoked SO DON'T PROVOKE THEM. when shit goes down move away from the melee don't move closer, boxing in cops make them nervous and often violent and finally if you sell drugs on lot don't be suprised if you get arrested. if you get popped in camden you must be a really bad dealer cause it's one of the easiest lots to work unless you're really greedy, the undercovers don't work hard at all to be "undercover". and all you jersey bashers have obviously never been to south east jersey or north west jersey it's really preety nice in those places. and the armpit of the country is gary, indiana midwesterners crack me up bagging on jersey i mean what's in indiana, corn? what's there to do, nothing?
Rev, I deny everything. I wasn't even at Camden so there must have been an imposter. I was at an AA retreat.
Ha Ha Ha! Good to see you Back On The Board...I was worried that you were in a ditch somewhere in New Jersey curled up in fetal position wearing nothing but Cryp's sweatshirt...
Having traded the last of my clothes to the mob for balloons, no doubt. Nope, just got back from an idyllic vacation, tho the morning after Camden was pretty tough...but I bet you and the missus weren't much better off....the same friends who led me down the path of destruction in Camden had the decency to take care of me and keep me from falling in the river. I was freezing on the boat ride home....would certainly have died if not for Cryp's loan.
Do as I say, not as I do.
Whoa! What the hell happened in Camden? I heard something on the news about several violent incidents at 3 different Tweeter Center shows. The Phil show was dubbed as a Willie Nelson concert for some reason. I haven't seen Phil since last year's outrageous 3 day Tower Theater stand because I'm just too fuckin' poor. It's a shame what "the scene" has become. The PHILly area always seems to get a bad rap although the Dead loved to play here. One of the postings above is correct, if you see trouble MOVE AWAY! Cops are less likely to feel threatened if yoy give them breathing room. Be safe out there my phriends and hope to be dancing with you soon!
I dealt with at least four different officers, before and after the show. They were all friendly, courteous and professional. Believe me I didn't look all that good after the show, I'm sure. ;-)
Course I didn't give them any grief either.
I'm happy to say I missed all the badness, including the nitro dealers....all I saw before the show was two guys pulled out of a pickup truck, I know not what for. I also saw cops driving around ignoring the beer drinking. Apparently, from the above, much of this happened during the show....moral of which is to make sure you attend the show if you are going to show up.
Did anyone else catch the smokers lounge? I'm not a smoker, but that was ingenious. And the port-o-let was clean!!
Yeah, BOTB, the smoking lounge (sponsored by Camel) was at many of the venues this summer (as was the pringle guy, but I ignored that). I think I got about 10 free packs of cigs this summer.
BTW, it was very nice to meet you. :)
Same here maud...a friend of mine was 7 days w/o smokes, and they probably got about 5 more years of smoking out of him. Got a laugh out of folks selling 2 packs of cigs after the shows. I also dug the folks giving away pens, including sharpies, at Charlotte. Marketing rules!!