2013-04-27 ~ Boardwalk Hall - Atlantic City NJ

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Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Stu (Stus) on Friday, April 26, 2013 - 07:54 pm: Edit Post

Now this should be an interesting evening. I have an extra on the floor section 6 row 20 (about back of board). If anyone is in need I would like $75.00 for it. Leave an email or phone #.

With that out of the way, may I just take a moment to say (complain) that for me the most enticing part of the Grateful Dead scene had always been the love and support and respect we showed the band as well as each other. I find this fairly lacking in both the behaviors (constant talking during shows) and rhetoric (mean and nasty posts) that have become part and parcel to this scene. I can stop going to shows at any time and at least know I have experienced the possibilities that come with these bands. I wish to continue, but I grieve for the good people out there who come "searching for the sound" but only get to hear some lame conversations of those around them. Blast away if you must, but at least I will be aware the next time they play Alligator and try to listen to that and not all the other "important stuff" going on around me.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By joegs (Joegs) on Friday, April 26, 2013 - 08:52 pm: Edit Post

I hope Bob opens the show with a roaring Hell in A Bucket - and screams "Unable to dance I'll crawl" as an f-you to all the people dissing him over last night.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Dan Schubel (Daed99) on Friday, April 26, 2013 - 09:23 pm: Edit Post

Stu and Joegs...I couldn't agree more. I am going tomorrow and hoping for the best. I never understood the Bob bashing. It took the perfect mix to create and sustain the grateful dead and he was always a big part of that mix. When I saw the video of last nights show it made feel very sad (and old). Hope I get "that feeling" once again tomorrow night after 34 years of listening with my eyes closed and my mouth shut.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By papito (Pchulo58) on Friday, April 26, 2013 - 09:43 pm: Edit Post

THis is gonna be one smokin' show. I'm psyched and can't wait to head down GSP tmw. The boys won't let us down. Still a few ducats left. Come on down y'all and shake them bones.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Adam Dean (Adamdean) on Friday, April 26, 2013 - 10:55 pm: Edit Post

I am very impressed, Stus! Way to go, pal. You passed the thread test with flying colours! Y'all enjoy the show and <<<<<boblove>>>>> from all of us @ The PhilZone!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By jeremybear (Jwilli169) on Saturday, April 27, 2013 - 02:49 am: Edit Post

Touch of Grey opener for sure....Bobby will want to make up for last night!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Tom (Cassidy) on Saturday, April 27, 2013 - 04:06 am: Edit Post

Grate thread start Stus! It will be the best one for this show with second place going to whoever puts one up in the "other" section for people who are too cool to post on the Furthur review thread.

Perfect T-Up to put it in Adam Dean lingo

I am probably not going due to the 2.5 hour drive and the grate weather predicted here. I am not sure what will happen. Is Bob in too much pain to play, will he come out rockin', will he take the night off?

No matter what happens BoB wrote half the music to all these songs we love and they are some awesome tunes. He is capable of playing his hybrid rhythm rock style


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Tom (Cassidy) on Saturday, April 27, 2013 - 04:26 am: Edit Post

in top-notch form. I always hope Bob plays his thick chords and fills that complete these songs. He has played really well recently when I saw him in Broomfield and some of the Cap shows too. I always hope his tempo will be fast and his guitar won't be to treblesome but that is not always the case. I still know this band is one of the best touring right now.

This band can still be grate! I wish they would use Phil's sound guy and that Bob will rock loud and fast with the band. Doesn't always happen but last night there were a lot of shithead comments on this board.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Tom (Cassidy) on Saturday, April 27, 2013 - 04:35 am: Edit Post

I hope everyone has a grate show whether you are in AC live or listening to it free through TR stream or other.

Bottom line is I hope they figure out how to keep this band together. Bob and the boys have rocked in this venture and can again!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Fred (Stellagrace) on Saturday, April 27, 2013 - 07:38 am: Edit Post

Great posts. Thanks all. To everyone at the show tonight: give the boys (and Sunshine) our love.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By mcauleyb (Nadnerb70) on Saturday, April 27, 2013 - 08:21 am: Edit Post

Adam keep in mind you have failed the thread test twice so don't get to excited. Instead of congratulating you should be bubbling with question for the best and brightest 'threadsters' in the Zone. I'm holding online classes at philzone.info for threadstarting...cone join us it's just 45 bucks per day and you get you own comments template as a gift so you just fill in the blanks. We do commandeer your 401k and 22% I automatically tacked on to the 'thread foundation' where wharf rats and school kids teach adults the art of threadstarting. It's an ancient tradition started by the Gore family when he and tipper were firing up ye ole Internet.

Big show tonight. Estimated is a lock. As is Fire and help slip...


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By pamela shreve (Akahasha) on Saturday, April 27, 2013 - 08:56 am: Edit Post

Looking foward to tonights show,Bobby may you be philled with light and love from all,the trees,the streams,the mountains and dreams...


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By piegolfer (Piegolfer) on Saturday, April 27, 2013 - 09:14 am: Edit Post

Stu you are right on..I can't believe how much talking goes on, people on dates that think the music is in the background; my cure is to zone all the talking out if you can and focus on the music...good luck tonight, may you find a good space to listen.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By tmcb (Tmcb0167) on Saturday, April 27, 2013 - 09:52 am: Edit Post

Very good chance for tonight-Hell in A Bucket/Estimated/Loose Lucy/Truckin hopeful for Here Comes the Sun and Time. I was at Thursday-you can't unsee what you have seen-Phil was great for rallying but it was too much to overcome. I will be in the 3rd row streaming good vibes to Bobby tonight. I do not want to raise expectations(I had 'high' hopes Thurs), but I do feel they owe me/us a little bit for what transpired. Stay positive and have some fun-it's Saturday Night!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Lahead (Lahead) on Saturday, April 27, 2013 - 10:06 am: Edit Post

Race is on! In honor of George Jones tonight.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Michael and Jerri Lind (Jerrimike) on Saturday, April 27, 2013 - 11:08 am: Edit Post

All the comments above are exactly the reason I come to this board. The positivity is fantastic. Stu, Tom, and everyone elses comments have me pumped up for a great show and a fun positively influenced discussion board tonight. I've never understood going to a show spending the whole time talking like a bunch of friends around the coffee table as if there was no band playing. As for the Bobby haters that doesn't even fit into my head why there is so much of that. See everyone tonight.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Alex MacDonald (Cell151) on Saturday, April 27, 2013 - 11:23 am: Edit Post

God Bless Bob Weir and Furthur, keep it rolling boys! Cant wait for tonight. Enjoying the Ride !

Cause when he's driving his chopper
Up and down your carpeted halls,
You will think me by contrast quite proper.
Never mind how I stumble and fall.
Never mind how I stumble and fall


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Fred (Stellagrace) on Saturday, April 27, 2013 - 11:27 am: Edit Post

I wonder if there is any way to organize "quiet sections" at shows. Any thoughts?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Mark Roth (Stellajew) on Saturday, April 27, 2013 - 12:00 pm: Edit Post

I too hope to see Bobby come roaring back tonight. I am glad he has his privacy but not idea why JK stated he took an Ambien instead of a painkiller when there are still lots of people saying it was booze. The Ambien story and a strong return tonight would be very encouraging. Booze and the band taking the stage without him tonight will add a lot to the heartbreak of the whole thing. Truckin' or Hell opener. Guess we'll know soon enough.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By s russell (Russell42) on Saturday, April 27, 2013 - 12:02 pm: Edit Post

I'm fired up for tonight and think they will come out roaring as well. I'm assuming taperrob is on the scene but does anyone know for sure?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Stu (Stus) on Saturday, April 27, 2013 - 12:26 pm: Edit Post

I try to tell folks like it is. Imagine your child, seven or eight years old up on the stage playing their violin at a school concert. Do you think you would appreciate or tolerate some lame conversations at that particular time?

I have been going to these shows since before my kids were born. These performers are my family (along with many others in the audience who feel the same way) and deserve the attention and respect that should be given.

I have to place some of the blame on today's parenting skills, the "here, take this cell phone, Wii system, car, and some cash and go behave yourself" mentality. People are not taught about respect,self respect, limitations on personal freedoms, and the fact that just because you want to do something does not make it okay to do it. That is not what community is about. There is room for everybody in this here forum, but it does come down to the music and the music loses when there are constant distractions. I have no problem with standing, dancing, singing, twirling, or jumping up and down. This place is a CHURCH, and deserves the same limitations that a civil society would prefer be seen in a church setting. A little respect, a little quiet, a little attention, and maybe we can gleam a little bit of that light that used to put those sunny smiles on our faces, and that heart melting love in our hearts.

Please.... and peace


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Mike Fitz (Meee) on Saturday, April 27, 2013 - 12:28 pm: Edit Post

here here stu Are you taking offerings?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Mike Fitz (Meee) on Saturday, April 27, 2013 - 12:29 pm: Edit Post

please let TRob be there


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By TheOtherRob (Robrizzo) on Saturday, April 27, 2013 - 01:13 pm: Edit Post

Confirming TRob's attendance.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Chris Durfee (Cdurfee99) on Saturday, April 27, 2013 - 03:10 pm: Edit Post

For$100.00 a ticket this was a truly pathetic spectacle! Does the band think we're idiots? One ambien does not do that to a person, of course if mixed with vast amounts of other pills and alcohol thrown into the mix, it could. Bob was not with it the night before, and obviously has a severe drinking problem. So he doesn't warrant any pass whatsoever for unbelievably unprofessional behavior to a paying crowd, with tickets waaaay overpriced for the music being displayed. Out of the 9 nights, only 2 , maybe 3 shows were truly excellent. Certainly woefully inconsistent, leading to Thursday's ultimate debacle. Jerry mumbled, fumbled lyrics, but NEVER came close to falling onto the stage. At least he had a shred of dignity and knew when to exit.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Mike Fitz (Meee) on Saturday, April 27, 2013 - 03:12 pm: Edit Post

go get high Cdurfee


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Chris Durfee (Cdurfee99) on Saturday, April 27, 2013 - 03:20 pm: Edit Post

If you get high the music sounds better DUDE! Your like a no newbie!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Chris Durfee (Cdurfee99) on Saturday, April 27, 2013 - 03:29 pm: Edit Post

I know one thing, and that's tonight is gonna be seriously much, much better! Maybe gonna be the best show of this mini-tour.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Fred (Stellagrace) on Saturday, April 27, 2013 - 05:11 pm: Edit Post

Two or three excellent shows? By my count there were seven. And even the first Monday was very enjoyable. What Bobby and Phil have given to this community cannot be measured by the ticket price. Let's get ready for tonight.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By ess kerph (Scurve) on Saturday, April 27, 2013 - 05:11 pm: Edit Post

It doesn't matter anyway.....


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Richard Butze (Rbutze) on Saturday, April 27, 2013 - 05:20 pm: Edit Post

Cdurfee, you bitch about only 2 or 3 good shows, claim Bobby has a severe drinking problem, but then let Garcia off the hook for standing up, when he had a drug habit that plagued him for years even to to point the band wanted intervention, and the last year or better of Dead shows were marginal at best........interesting.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By s russell (Russell42) on Saturday, April 27, 2013 - 06:20 pm: Edit Post

Looks like an hour earlier show time tonight 7 pm?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Chris Durfee (Cdurfee99) on Saturday, April 27, 2013 - 06:28 pm: Edit Post

Bobby doesn't have go that route, ala Jerry, none of us want to see that!!!! Forgivable what happened, absolutely, forgettable, no way. I mean it's good to move on already, but it was a pretty big deal!!
Won't, can't happen tonight! Full cylinder, at least 8 song 1st set, wall to wall, arena energy barn burner!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By JesterC (Tiger_trance) on Saturday, April 27, 2013 - 06:32 pm: Edit Post

wow Cdurf, u just blew a hole in the good vibes rolling out in this community! Bitch about ticket price ~ DON'T GO! Bitch about your pathetic assumption that Bobby is a drunk ~ DON'T GO! Bitch about out of 9 shows, only 2 maybe 3 shows were truly excellent ~ DON'T GO! Those of us who are Dead to the Core, take the good with the bad, we don't lay expectations down, we enjoy the musical journey because [like Stu said] this is Church to us man!! This is my way of escape and to 'play in the band' I have been 'blind all the time I was learning to see' and I am always 'searching for the sound and listening for the secret!' It's a jam band, it's improv ~ the music is living and when they boys get lost, you hang on because they will bring it around. For instance, Bobby lost it a little in 'Jack Straw' on Tues the 16th [just like Jerry, forgetting lyrics], but man they tore the fuckin' hell out of the rest of that song, like they always do!! Why? Because it's a symbiotic relationship w/ the band and the audience and they get that! CDurfee, you just don't get it man!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By JesterC (Tiger_trance) on Saturday, April 27, 2013 - 06:37 pm: Edit Post

CDurf, chances that they make it up for the other night ~ Good, but they march at the their own beat. They will do it because of the relationship they have with their truly deadicated brothers and sisters. Not for people like you, who EXPECT them to do it and will surely BITCH if it doesn't happen! You will whine again tonight if they don't lay it down like you want! Get lost man!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Scott Greene (Talkchpvzntru) on Saturday, April 27, 2013 - 06:50 pm: Edit Post

My first post to this site where hopefully the talk is cheap and the vision true:

I was amongst the faithful on 11/25/78 in New Haven when after an hour or so of pre-show preparation much of the crowd was "primed", only to see Bobby & Mickey walk out and have to explain that Jerry was sick, could not go on, and that there would be no show. Needless to say Burger King near the arena ran out of food that night and only had milk and cookies available.

I was not present at the 8/9/95 Ratdog show when Bob as the leader of Ratdog, heartbroken, took to the stage in Hampton Beach, Va. to begin the journey down the road as the torchbearer of the music that has brought myself and all of us so much happiness, has so moved us, has touched on so many of the ideals and values that have come to shape and define us as we became adults.

Years ago the chatter was about bootleg live cassette tapes and which versions of which tunes were better from which shows; positive stuff. As the years have combined, unfortunately I see and hear so much energy spent with a cynical posture towards the music and the band members. It seems many have way too much time on their hands totally overanalyzing what they consider to be negative aspects of each chord or each lyric or each show. Years ago there was way more patience amongst the crowd. Bob would flub lyrics on Playin' and a huge ovation would follow as if to say "we're with you, we're on the same team."

We are extremely lucky to still have live shows and this music available. There has been commentary in the last couple of days of unprofessionalism and irresponsibility. Messages critiquing Bob, and the band for not stepping up as the designated driver and taking the keys from Bob's hands. Just curious, how many of you making such comments may have at some time or times, left a Dead show, related Dead show, or a totally unrelated event and driven the car (this time talking literally not figuatively)or allowed someone else to drive the car when there was the risk of real injury; where there was much more real irresponsibility? How many of you had on occassion showed up at work one morning after a rough night and weren't really "there" for your customer, client, coworkers or boss? So maybe you should think twice about throwing stones. What you lost out on the other night was your perception of a dollar value associated with the product you received as a consumer. Not taking the keys in real life carries a much heavier weight.

Bottom line, Jerry, Bobby, Phil, Pigpen, Mickey, Billy, Donna, Keith, Brent, well you get the picture, we are all human, we make mistakes, sometimes embarrassing ones. If Bob truly needs attention on a longer term basis, we are hoping that he pursues it or is guided properly, and that we have learned the lessons from '95. The big picture is what is important. Bob has been a guiding force and deserves all the support and love that he will no doubt be smothered with tonight.Maybe for tonight, for the first time in a while, the naysayers can remain silent, the criticism can be guarded, the tendency that often permeates our society to hit people when they are down, can be tamed.

Guys go out there tonight and kill it, we are with you, this is a time to be positive and to fulfill all your wishes. The energy you feel tonight should feel palpable as yours always has for us. Now can someone give me a heads-up as to where I can go to catch the live stream?
Go get 'em Bobby Ace, you are much loved.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Brent Zeller (Bcz) on Saturday, April 27, 2013 - 06:56 pm: Edit Post

Streaming?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Village Charlatan (Gentle_jack_jones) on Saturday, April 27, 2013 - 06:58 pm: Edit Post

Poor Cdurf. Never did see the light... But maybe one day.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Spud (Billyc) on Saturday, April 27, 2013 - 06:58 pm: Edit Post

Enjoy Furthur tonight. Could be the last with Bob in the mix.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By jake (Gdjake) on Saturday, April 27, 2013 - 07:02 pm: Edit Post

So you think the entire summer and fall schedule is gonna get canceled Spud? Sure hope not. Especially since this was a simple mistake unless you don't take JK (and thus Bob) at his word. On another note hoping a stream turns up!! Really wanna hear this!!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By indifferent samaritan (Hounder) on Saturday, April 27, 2013 - 07:03 pm: Edit Post

oh boy this is gonna be epic! Hi Adam!
much love bro, treats to the pups.
Epic Itells ya


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By JARie (Jarie) on Saturday, April 27, 2013 - 07:08 pm: Edit Post

you know it's gonna get stranger
let's get on with the show


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Troy C (~bus~) on Saturday, April 27, 2013 - 07:17 pm: Edit Post

Let's go!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By cosmicC (Charliem) on Saturday, April 27, 2013 - 07:18 pm: Edit Post

Looks like taperrob is up and running. Thanks, Rob. Thanks Furthur. (((((BOBBY))))

Looking for The Race Is On tonight.

http://www.ustream.tv/channel/taperrob


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Chris Durfee (Cdurfee99) on Saturday, April 27, 2013 - 07:19 pm: Edit Post

Easy there Hester ( killer)! So much for peace, love, and brotherhood, you don't have to get verbally violent, with Dead quotes thrown in, punctuating confrontational rhetoric, I was only writing, not offending your entire existence!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By cosmicC (Charliem) on Saturday, April 27, 2013 - 07:25 pm: Edit Post

slow Jack Straw


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Jackstraw11 (Jackstraw11) on Saturday, April 27, 2013 - 07:26 pm: Edit Post

Any sign of Taper Rob. Searching for the sound.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Jeffrey LaPlante (Zipster) on Saturday, April 27, 2013 - 07:26 pm: Edit Post

Don't you all know what Jerry would say about all this talk, "C'mon Man!"


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Troy C (~bus~) on Saturday, April 27, 2013 - 07:26 pm: Edit Post

Booby sounding strong though, vocally anyway.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By cosmicC (Charliem) on Saturday, April 27, 2013 - 07:27 pm: Edit Post

stream link is a few posts up


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Jackstraw11 (Jackstraw11) on Saturday, April 27, 2013 - 07:30 pm: Edit Post

Thanks Mr. Charlie.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By jlm3 (Rosieyes) on Saturday, April 27, 2013 - 07:30 pm: Edit Post

yeah this Jack Straw is brutally slow... :P


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Troy C (~bus~) on Saturday, April 27, 2013 - 07:31 pm: Edit Post

Nothing a good nights sleep wont cure!
Love that Jack Straw jam


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By David Kay (Serodavid) on Saturday, April 27, 2013 - 07:40 pm: Edit Post

Broadwalk Hall
Atlantic City, NJ
04/27/2013

Set One

Jack Straw
Crazy Fingers


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By David Kay (Serodavid) on Saturday, April 27, 2013 - 07:47 pm: Edit Post

Broadwalk Hall
Atlantic City, NJ
04/27/2013

Set One

Jack Straw
Crazy Fingers >
Bird Song


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Michael and Jerri Lind (Jerrimike) on Saturday, April 27, 2013 - 07:52 pm: Edit Post

evening everyone...looks everyone is in a good mood...didn't realize the early start! How they/bobby sounding?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By cosmicC (Charliem) on Saturday, April 27, 2013 - 07:53 pm: Edit Post

This is sounding good. Just took an unusual turn for bird song, and I like it


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Richard Butze (Rbutze) on Saturday, April 27, 2013 - 07:54 pm: Edit Post

Scott G.....well stated, one minor correction. It was Hampton Beach, NH...not VA.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By David Kay (Serodavid) on Saturday, April 27, 2013 - 08:01 pm: Edit Post

Broadwalk Hall
Atlantic City, NJ
04/27/2013

Set One

Jack Straw
Crazy Fingers >
Bird Song >
Cumberland Blues


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Michael and Jerri Lind (Jerrimike) on Saturday, April 27, 2013 - 08:04 pm: Edit Post

phil is thumping!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Jennifer Stoker (Jnurse48) on Saturday, April 27, 2013 - 08:04 pm: Edit Post

GO BOBBY!!!! Just awesome!!!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By David Kay (Serodavid) on Saturday, April 27, 2013 - 08:07 pm: Edit Post

Yes nice post Scott G ... but let's not forget Vince, TC and Bruce


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Michael and Jerri Lind (Jerrimike) on Saturday, April 27, 2013 - 08:07 pm: Edit Post

bobby is sounding gooood!!!!!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Hilary Klein (Hilary) on Saturday, April 27, 2013 - 08:08 pm: Edit Post

nice energy


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By douger (Douger) on Saturday, April 27, 2013 - 08:08 pm: Edit Post

phil is in the zone and bobby has his rhythm back


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By JesterC (Tiger_trance) on Saturday, April 27, 2013 - 08:09 pm: Edit Post

Durf, you still don't get it man! you are offending the entire existence of all us who are 'there'! There was no confrontational rhetoric, I am only defending what this thing is all about! maybe when you are 'just writing' ~ you think about what you say and in what company you are saying it in. Folks remarked at beginning of convo how pleased they were that nobody was laying down harsh words, then you come along and blow a hole right through that. People don't want to hear that on here man. You should ask yourself about peace, love, and brotherhood. by the way its Jester


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By David Kay (Serodavid) on Saturday, April 27, 2013 - 08:14 pm: Edit Post

Broadwalk Hall
Atlantic City, NJ
04/27/2013

Set One

Jack Straw
Crazy Fingers >
Bird Song >
Cumberland Blues
Doin' That Rag


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Tree (Tree1270) on Saturday, April 27, 2013 - 08:15 pm: Edit Post

"Sitting in Mangrove Valley chasing lightbeams
Everything wanders from baby to Z
Baby, baby, pretty, young on Tuesday
Old like a rum drinking demon at tea"

Love it!

:-).


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By douger (Douger) on Saturday, April 27, 2013 - 08:16 pm: Edit Post

everyones doin that rag!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By JesterC (Tiger_trance) on Saturday, April 27, 2013 - 08:17 pm: Edit Post

I love it man, they're rippin' that jam in the Rag!!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Jackstraw11 (Jackstraw11) on Saturday, April 27, 2013 - 08:21 pm: Edit Post

Thank you Mr. Cosmic. Guess this for you


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Jeffrey LaPlante (Zipster) on Saturday, April 27, 2013 - 08:22 pm: Edit Post

Cosmic Charley how do you do?
Truckin' in style along the avenue
Dumdeedumdee doodley doo
Go on home, your mama's calling you


Calico Kahlia come tell me the news
Calamity's waiting for a way to get to her
Rosy red and electric blue
I bought you a paddle for your paper canoe


Say you'll come back when you can
Whenever your airplane happens to land
Maybe I'll be back here too
It all depends on what's with you


Hung up waitin for a windy day
Kite on ice since the first of February
Mama Bee saying that the wind might blow
But standin here I say I just don't know


New ones comin as the old ones go
Everything's movin here but much too slowly
Little bit quicker and we might have time
to say 'how do you do?" before we're left behind


Calliope wail like a seaside zoo
The very last lately inquired about you
It's really very one or two
The first you wanted, the last I knew


I just wonder if you shouldn't feel
less concern about the deep unreal
The very first word is : How do you do?
The last: go home, your mama's callin you


Go on home
Your mama's calling you
Calling you.....


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By David Kay (Serodavid) on Saturday, April 27, 2013 - 08:23 pm: Edit Post

Broadwalk Hall
Atlantic City, NJ
04/27/2013

Set One

Jack Straw
Crazy Fingers >
Bird Song >
Cumberland Blues
Doin' That Rag
Cosmic Charlie


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Jackstraw11 (Jackstraw11) on Saturday, April 27, 2013 - 08:24 pm: Edit Post

Or for all those bloggers that are Doin that Rag. Always Grateful


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Mike Fitz (Meee) on Saturday, April 27, 2013 - 08:27 pm: Edit Post

Dancin opens second!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By cosmicC (Charliem) on Saturday, April 27, 2013 - 08:28 pm: Edit Post

It has always been a favorite, thanks JS11. Mama's calling now


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Kev (Deadheaddad) on Saturday, April 27, 2013 - 08:30 pm: Edit Post

Looong time since I posted anything, but thought I would share my 2 cents on the above topics.
1: If you MUST carry on a conversation, cell or personal, take it to the mezzanine so I can enjoy listening, please! I don't need or want to know about your business or drama.
2: Bobby gets a total pass on the other night. Look at what he has given us for over forty years. One incident and some clueless people want to come down hard on him. If you have not had any incident in your life that didn't disappoint someone else, then you are lying to yourself.
3: If all you want to do is bitch about ticket prices, lackluster shows, (which are VERY rare), and such, please stay home. you ruin the vibe for those of us that show up with no expectations of what will be played or how it will be played. That is one of the great joys of seeing this band, never knowing what will happen next.
Peace to all and enjoy the rest of the show/tour


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By David Kay (Serodavid) on Saturday, April 27, 2013 - 08:30 pm: Edit Post

Broadwalk Hall
Atlantic City, NJ
04/27/2013

Set One

Jack Straw
Crazy Fingers >
Bird Song >
Cumberland Blues
Doin' That Rag
Cosmic Charlie
Midnight Hour


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By s russell (Russell42) on Saturday, April 27, 2013 - 08:32 pm: Edit Post

that ending seemed odd to me. Cosmic Charlie and Midnight Hour lost a lot of steam compared to the start of the set.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Mike Fitz (Meee) on Saturday, April 27, 2013 - 08:32 pm: Edit Post

nice Kev!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Tree (Tree1270) on Saturday, April 27, 2013 - 08:33 pm: Edit Post

Right on!!!

"It's a rainbow full of sound, It's fireworks, calliopes and clowns"


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By BEW (Cnmn) on Saturday, April 27, 2013 - 08:33 pm: Edit Post

What the (*& is going on here and what did Bobby say...


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By s russell (Russell42) on Saturday, April 27, 2013 - 08:34 pm: Edit Post

Truckin at some point in the second...maybe opener.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By douger (Douger) on Saturday, April 27, 2013 - 08:35 pm: Edit Post

Thats Bobby hollywood style!!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By s russell (Russell42) on Saturday, April 27, 2013 - 08:35 pm: Edit Post

It wasn't Bob it was Phil which doesn't happen often.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By David Kay (Serodavid) on Saturday, April 27, 2013 - 08:37 pm: Edit Post

Great first set and good form from Bobby Ace. Too late to stay up for Set 2 here in England but looking forward to hearing TRob's stream in the morning.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Michael and Jerri Lind (Jerrimike) on Saturday, April 27, 2013 - 08:37 pm: Edit Post

Midnight hour not a fav at all but heck im thrilled with how well everyone is doing and if the first five/six songs are any indication of whats coming in the second then bring it on! all in all a very very pleasing comeback. way to go bob and phil is on for sure...way to go boys!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By BEW (Cnmn) on Saturday, April 27, 2013 - 08:37 pm: Edit Post

Short first set?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Chris Durfee (Cdurfee99) on Saturday, April 27, 2013 - 08:38 pm: Edit Post

Jester, point taken! See ya summer '13!!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Chris Durfee (Cdurfee99) on Saturday, April 27, 2013 - 08:40 pm: Edit Post

Was just worried about bob.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By passenger (Tomripple16) on Saturday, April 27, 2013 - 08:46 pm: Edit Post

well I just made the last tune but sounded good to me ! I can't imagine why after one rough night ,fair weather friends turn , who said this may be the last time Bobby could be in the mix ? that may be the lamest thing I've heard yet ... wake up you negative knuckleheads I left the live chat the other night because so much bashing pissed me off royally I hope this side is not going to be the same < keep it light , and , a keep on Truckin'


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By JesterC (Tiger_trance) on Saturday, April 27, 2013 - 08:47 pm: Edit Post

Right on CDurf, it's all good brother!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By BEW (Cnmn) on Saturday, April 27, 2013 - 08:47 pm: Edit Post

We're all worried about Bob...Some very tight and smokin moments in the first set...However, seemed they were a little tentative ... there were times I couldn't hear any guitars and times JK rocked...and the set seemed a tad short...HOPE Bobby doesn't grab something in between sets to add more sparkle to the night...


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By matthew congleton (Chefmc37) on Saturday, April 27, 2013 - 08:48 pm: Edit Post

the race is on is only played the show before the kentucky derby


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Michael and Jerri Lind (Jerrimike) on Saturday, April 27, 2013 - 08:51 pm: Edit Post

wide open second set I think...in and out of viola two or three times?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By M.Laurentus (Mhlsr) on Saturday, April 27, 2013 - 08:54 pm: Edit Post

The Race is on was played MSG 9/20/93.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Tree (Tree1270) on Saturday, April 27, 2013 - 08:54 pm: Edit Post

Bucket to open the second


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By cosmicC (Charliem) on Saturday, April 27, 2013 - 08:58 pm: Edit Post

They should do Race tonight as a nod to George Jones, who died yesterday.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By JesterC (Tiger_trance) on Saturday, April 27, 2013 - 08:58 pm: Edit Post

I've been in that venue before, it's not one of my favorite places ~ the sound gets lost in there from time to time! look for nice 2nd set!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By JeremyDude (Jeremydude) on Saturday, April 27, 2013 - 09:05 pm: Edit Post

Thanks Taper Rob - Sounds Great - wish I was there with you guys chilling, dancing and frying in the taper zone. Nice to hear bobby up and strong, drinking by the fire and listening in, thanks so much and kudos for the boys on stage delivering the kind for all to enjoy while weir on the bus - see you soon - Enjoy the nite - Peace N Roses - Jeremy TaperFreakBookDude

PS - Stevey TTTTTTTTTTTTT - Hello


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By JDR (Sandflea) on Saturday, April 27, 2013 - 09:16 pm: Edit Post

Soo jealous of all you guys that made it up there.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Jackstraw11 (Jackstraw11) on Saturday, April 27, 2013 - 09:21 pm: Edit Post

BOLO for an Estimated. Don't worry bout me. Nah nah.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By scott flachs (Stealthhippy) on Saturday, April 27, 2013 - 09:21 pm: Edit Post

Tell me what this is please???smokey here


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By JeremyDude (Jeremydude) on Saturday, April 27, 2013 - 09:22 pm: Edit Post

Psyched for 2nd Set - Crown Royal pouring heavy and adding logs to the fire - Any chance of some pictures, weir be all the freaky people, who make the beauty of the world and a shot of that big old tiled dome vaulted box of a room, good times tonight for sure on the boardwalk - Peace and rocking out 2nd set one mo saturday nite


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Michael and Jerri Lind (Jerrimike) on Saturday, April 27, 2013 - 09:23 pm: Edit Post

Boardwalk Hall
Atlantic City, NJ
04/27/2013

Set One

Jack Straw
Crazy Fingers>
Bird Song
Cumberland Blues
Doin' that Rag
Cosmic Charlie
Midnight Hour

Set Two

Space>
Mountains of the Moon


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Jackstraw11 (Jackstraw11) on Saturday, April 27, 2013 - 09:23 pm: Edit Post

Sound on stream reminds me of the big red barn in Ithaca


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Michael and Jerri Lind (Jerrimike) on Saturday, April 27, 2013 - 09:35 pm: Edit Post

Boardwalk Hall
Atlantic City, NJ
04/27/2013

Set One

Jack Straw
Crazy Fingers>
Bird Song
Cumberland Blues
Doin' that Rag
Cosmic Charlie
Midnight Hour

Set Two

Space>
Mountains of the Moon
Saint Stephen


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Michael and Jerri Lind (Jerrimike) on Saturday, April 27, 2013 - 09:39 pm: Edit Post

who thinks there should be a > between mtns of the moon and Stephen?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Michael and Jerri Lind (Jerrimike) on Saturday, April 27, 2013 - 09:45 pm: Edit Post

man they play a lot that almost eleven ham during stephen


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By s russell (Russell42) on Saturday, April 27, 2013 - 09:47 pm: Edit Post

Jerrimike...I thought there should be but not 100%..just didn't hear the pause but i was spacing out a little by that point.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Michael and Jerri Lind (Jerrimike) on Saturday, April 27, 2013 - 09:53 pm: Edit Post

one vote to none...you win Russell


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Sound Lover (Zeno_marx) on Saturday, April 27, 2013 - 09:53 pm: Edit Post

Classy move for the band to not make this about Bob and make a "Bob show". A small gesture, but an admirable one.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Mike Fitz (Meee) on Saturday, April 27, 2013 - 09:56 pm: Edit Post

BOBBY!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Michael and Jerri Lind (Jerrimike) on Saturday, April 27, 2013 - 09:56 pm: Edit Post

Boardwalk Hall
Atlantic City, NJ
04/27/2013

Set One

Jack Straw
Crazy Fingers>
Bird Song
Cumberland Blues
Doin' that Rag
Cosmic Charlie
Midnight Hour

Set Two

Space>
Mountains of the Moon>
Saint Stephen>
Dark Star>
Let it Grow


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Bruce Kaufer (Gr8fuldadbk) on Saturday, April 27, 2013 - 09:58 pm: Edit Post

Bobby sounding STRONG! Welcome BACK BOBBY!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Kev (Deadheaddad) on Saturday, April 27, 2013 - 09:59 pm: Edit Post

So far Bob sounds good, both on guitar and vocally. Let it Grow is sounding very nice! Hopefully the other night was a miniscule blip on the radar and will be forgotten soon!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Bruce Kaufer (Gr8fuldadbk) on Saturday, April 27, 2013 - 10:02 pm: Edit Post

Haven't we ALL had at least 1 or 2 of those ourselves? Time to move FURTHUR!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By DMcG (Dave_mcgrath) on Saturday, April 27, 2013 - 10:04 pm: Edit Post

Hey Tom Banjo,
St. Stephen will remain so
Shall we go ... You and I while we can?
Let it flow, let it grow...rise and fall
Rise and fall. Listen to the thunder shout
"I am .... I am!" So it goes
Since the world began


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By s russell (Russell42) on Saturday, April 27, 2013 - 10:05 pm: Edit Post

Yeah...... Band sounds just fine.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By spencer jones (Docta_jonez) on Saturday, April 27, 2013 - 10:08 pm: Edit Post

rise and fall....rise and fall


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Bruce Kaufer (Gr8fuldadbk) on Saturday, April 27, 2013 - 10:14 pm: Edit Post

dark & mean like his critics!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Michael and Jerri Lind (Jerrimike) on Saturday, April 27, 2013 - 10:14 pm: Edit Post

funny...reading posts under the discussion board with peeps who have made thousands of posts on this site...they are about the same age as me...and they can't get past the fact it isn't 1972 anymore...they can't help themselves...they have to compare what they want to hear versus what they do hear and appreciating it. Never accepted the band evolved with ebb and flow, different playing and sounds as the years passed...they don't say that...but its clear and why I stick to this thread. Way more postive


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Bruce Kaufer (Gr8fuldadbk) on Saturday, April 27, 2013 - 10:18 pm: Edit Post

one of the greatest gifts the Grateful Dead have given me over all the years since I first saw them in '69, was TO LIVE IN THE NOW!!! Cherish what IS, not WAS! Take this gift and LIVE & ENJOY!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Hilary Klein (Hilary) on Saturday, April 27, 2013 - 10:20 pm: Edit Post

Days Between. Always makes me think of Jerry.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Kev (Deadheaddad) on Saturday, April 27, 2013 - 10:21 pm: Edit Post

Exactly as Jerrimike says. Sort of like Let it grow. The music grows, the band grows, evolves and even changes, but the point is still the same. to go Furthur. To keep pushing. Musically, personally and as a community. If the music didn't change with the times we would be stuck with the same old thing. what fun would that be?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By phil (Philandjenny) on Saturday, April 27, 2013 - 10:22 pm: Edit Post

Listening to Days Between down here in Sydney........many thanks taperrob. Like (most)people here, I was so sad to see the vid from the other night and well pissed off to read some of the comments on here.
Glad to hear Bobby back on course tonight,stay well mate.
Cheers from Oz
Phil :>)


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Electric Blue (Electric_blue) on Saturday, April 27, 2013 - 10:25 pm: Edit Post

.. and tuning in from Bangkok,,, sounds great !!!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By s russell (Russell42) on Saturday, April 27, 2013 - 10:29 pm: Edit Post

The energy they can build in a set when they are on is killer. turn it up!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Troy C (~bus~) on Saturday, April 27, 2013 - 10:30 pm: Edit Post

Nice!
didnt see that coming


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Michael and Jerri Lind (Jerrimike) on Saturday, April 27, 2013 - 10:30 pm: Edit Post

Boardwalk Hall
Atlantic City, NJ
04/27/2013

Set One

Jack Straw
Crazy Fingers>
Bird Song
Cumberland Blues
Doin' that Rag
Cosmic Charlie
Midnight Hour

Set Two

Space>
Mountains of the Moon>
Saint Stephen>
Dark Star>
Let it Grow>
The Days Between>
Dark Star>
Help on the Way


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Michael and Jerri Lind (Jerrimike) on Saturday, April 27, 2013 - 10:31 pm: Edit Post

uh oh...stream down


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Kev (Deadheaddad) on Saturday, April 27, 2013 - 10:32 pm: Edit Post

Anyone else lose the stream?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Kev (Deadheaddad) on Saturday, April 27, 2013 - 10:32 pm: Edit Post

Not good, not now. Damn


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Troy C (~bus~) on Saturday, April 27, 2013 - 10:32 pm: Edit Post

yeah..:-(


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Hilary Klein (Hilary) on Saturday, April 27, 2013 - 10:33 pm: Edit Post

Wah


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By ess kerph (Scurve) on Saturday, April 27, 2013 - 10:33 pm: Edit Post

yup


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Kev (Deadheaddad) on Saturday, April 27, 2013 - 10:33 pm: Edit Post

Might be back, YES!!!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By DMcG (Dave_mcgrath) on Saturday, April 27, 2013 - 10:34 pm: Edit Post

I lost the stream


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By ess kerph (Scurve) on Saturday, April 27, 2013 - 10:34 pm: Edit Post

it's back


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Troy C (~bus~) on Saturday, April 27, 2013 - 10:34 pm: Edit Post

back!
in time for slipknot!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By DMcG (Dave_mcgrath) on Saturday, April 27, 2013 - 10:35 pm: Edit Post

It's back ...


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Hilary Klein (Hilary) on Saturday, April 27, 2013 - 10:39 pm: Edit Post

niiice...


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By DMcG (Dave_mcgrath) on Saturday, April 27, 2013 - 10:40 pm: Edit Post

How many of you smiled when the slipknot fell into Franklin's?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Michael and Jerri Lind (Jerrimike) on Saturday, April 27, 2013 - 10:41 pm: Edit Post

Boardwalk Hall
Atlantic City, NJ
04/27/2013

Set One

Jack Straw
Crazy Fingers>
Bird Song
Cumberland Blues
Doin' that Rag
Cosmic Charlie
Midnight Hour

Set Two

Space>
Mountains of the Moon>
Saint Stephen>
Dark Star>
Let it Grow>
The Days Between>
Dark Star>
Help on the Way>
Slipknot>
Franklin's Tower


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Jennifer Stoker (Jnurse48) on Saturday, April 27, 2013 - 10:41 pm: Edit Post

AWESOME!!!! Furthur is unstoppable!!!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By JesterC (Tiger_trance) on Saturday, April 27, 2013 - 10:42 pm: Edit Post

well well well, i'm glad to hear the slipknot tonight. they left us hangin friday night at the Cap, hahaha I love em' man, it's the gift they give of unpredictability! thanks for the journies boys, looking forward to many more~!!!!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Michael and Jerri Lind (Jerrimike) on Saturday, April 27, 2013 - 10:43 pm: Edit Post

:-) :-) :-) all you haters out there...hush...and listen to the music play! :-) :-) :-)


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Troy C (~bus~) on Saturday, April 27, 2013 - 10:43 pm: Edit Post

Bob's like, "Take that, Bitches!"


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Hilary Klein (Hilary) on Saturday, April 27, 2013 - 10:45 pm: Edit Post

Very chunky.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Jesse Wright (Jrw926hotmailcom) on Saturday, April 27, 2013 - 10:45 pm: Edit Post

Nice 2nd set and overall show. OMSN encore?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By s russell (Russell42) on Saturday, April 27, 2013 - 10:46 pm: Edit Post

Holy cow!!!!great..he whole band is saying take that bithces.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Troy C (~bus~) on Saturday, April 27, 2013 - 10:48 pm: Edit Post

russell..right on!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Michael and Jerri Lind (Jerrimike) on Saturday, April 27, 2013 - 10:50 pm: Edit Post

crowd likes it...do they have time for brokedown then a touch


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By s russell (Russell42) on Saturday, April 27, 2013 - 10:50 pm: Edit Post

I wish that shit could go on all night. stream sounded incredible to me...as did the band starting toward the end of MOM.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Fred (Stellagrace) on Saturday, April 27, 2013 - 10:51 pm: Edit Post

Great show. Pleasure spending the evening with everyone. Peace until the next run.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By DMcG (Dave_mcgrath) on Saturday, April 27, 2013 - 10:51 pm: Edit Post

Lost the stream again :-(
Truckin encore perhaps?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By brian lukow (Chopper5star) on Saturday, April 27, 2013 - 10:51 pm: Edit Post

now thats some amazing furthur!
one more saturday night i assume


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By brian lukow (Chopper5star) on Saturday, April 27, 2013 - 10:52 pm: Edit Post

now thats some amazing furthur!
one more saturday night i assume


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Troy C (~bus~) on Saturday, April 27, 2013 - 10:53 pm: Edit Post

nice!
no omsn!....sing it Bob!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By phil (Philandjenny) on Saturday, April 27, 2013 - 10:53 pm: Edit Post

what else could the encore be LOL, Good on you Bob
Phil xxxxx


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By brian lukow (Chopper5star) on Saturday, April 27, 2013 - 10:53 pm: Edit Post

ha ha ... i'm wrong again!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By DMcG (Dave_mcgrath) on Saturday, April 27, 2013 - 10:54 pm: Edit Post

(((((Bobby)))))


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Jesse Wright (Jrw926hotmailcom) on Saturday, April 27, 2013 - 10:54 pm: Edit Post

Bobby will get by and sometimes high.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Hilary Klein (Hilary) on Saturday, April 27, 2013 - 10:56 pm: Edit Post

Try to keep a little grace.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By DMcG (Dave_mcgrath) on Saturday, April 27, 2013 - 10:58 pm: Edit Post

Try to keep a little grace!
Grace grace, God's grace!
Grace greater than our sins!
We will survive!
Try to keep a little love
Every silver lining's got a touch of grey


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Jesse Wright (Jrw926hotmailcom) on Saturday, April 27, 2013 - 10:58 pm: Edit Post

Furthur brings the love. Thanks TaperRob.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By dan k (Phunky58) on Saturday, April 27, 2013 - 10:59 pm: Edit Post

fantastic run, got the chills bigtime during help-->slip-->franklins a huge thanks to taper rob for sharing the love with us :-) see ya on summer tour


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By DMcG (Dave_mcgrath) on Saturday, April 27, 2013 - 11:01 pm: Edit Post

Wow!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By douger (Douger) on Saturday, April 27, 2013 - 11:02 pm: Edit Post

thanks for taking it Furthur...


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Kev (Deadheaddad) on Saturday, April 27, 2013 - 11:02 pm: Edit Post

Thanks To Trob for the stream! Very nice set 2. No problems with Bob that I could hear. Crowd seems very amped, must have been a very warm and fuzzy feeling in there tonight, nice.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Michael and Jerri Lind (Jerrimike) on Saturday, April 27, 2013 - 11:03 pm: Edit Post

Boardwalk Hall
Atlantic City, NJ
04/27/2013

Set One

Jack Straw
Crazy Fingers>
Bird Song
Cumberland Blues
Doin' that Rag
Cosmic Charlie
Midnight Hour

Set Two

Space>
Mountains of the Moon>
Saint Stephen>
Dark Star>
Let it Grow>
The Days Between>
Dark Star>
Help on the Way>
Slipknot>
Franklin's Tower

Donor Rap

Encore

Touch of Grey


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Troy C (~bus~) on Saturday, April 27, 2013 - 11:03 pm: Edit Post

Thanks taper rob for the stream!
you rock!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By passenger (Tomripple16) on Saturday, April 27, 2013 - 11:07 pm: Edit Post

Great show fun to share the music ! see you all soon . P.S. This band is fucking Awesome !


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Jackstraw11 (Jackstraw11) on Saturday, April 27, 2013 - 11:09 pm: Edit Post

Thanks to taper Rob and CosmicC for the tunes. Appreciated. So glad Bob bounced back. The energy must have been amazing. Whew. Thank you for a real good time. Bid you all GN. Until the next time.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Michael and Jerri Lind (Jerrimike) on Saturday, April 27, 2013 - 11:13 pm: Edit Post

thanks taperrob...killer second set...vibe inside the show seemed awesome...thoroughly enjoyed that...thanks bobby-love you man...thanks phil-my God are you good! thanks to the dead for all the joy they have brought me and my family and thanks to all of my phriends...see ya'll next time :-)


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By spencer jones (Docta_jonez) on Saturday, April 27, 2013 - 11:23 pm: Edit Post

stream was sick. re-listening to first set Bobby is on it, the Bird song is thick. great LIG and Days and Touch inS2. Good rebound Ace- still bullshit on the 25th though. Should I just stay away from #9 of a 9 night run next time I look to travel to jump on the flying saucer with you guys?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Village Charlatan (Gentle_jack_jones) on Saturday, April 27, 2013 - 11:24 pm: Edit Post

After seeing 8 of the 9 nights at the Cap and couching AC, I'm beyond satisfied. This band just keeps getting better and better. Really stretching the experience Furthur and Furthur. Said it before and I'll say it again, "Jerry would love this band".
See ya'll this summer!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By S. Gordon Lee Doss (Drdman58) on Saturday, April 27, 2013 - 11:39 pm: Edit Post

TR. thanks as always and good to see you again at last weekend's stretch. Time to git some well deserved rest, and kick that colds ass. See you in Brooklyn or possibly at TXR, but off to Jazzfest first. Be well, travel safe. the Dr.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Rachel Reinhart (Ladywithafan823) on Sunday, April 28, 2013 - 12:33 am: Edit Post

bout shat my pants during that St. Stephen, Weather Report. GO BOBBY!!!!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By pamela shreve (Akahasha) on Sunday, April 28, 2013 - 12:34 am: Edit Post

thanx tr.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Stu (Stus) on Sunday, April 28, 2013 - 02:05 am: Edit Post

Just got back from a splendid show in AC. Everybody has their opinions and mine goes like this....

Song Selection...stellar. No throw away tunes tonight. Classic show start to finish.

Playing..everybody stepped up and rocketed off. And for the Weir blasters out there, why not consider rehabbing your dementia?

Saw a nasty security issue right at my side where it took about 8 bearish security people to drag some poor fightin fool out of the arena. Neither security or the guy they were after had any shit together whatsoever.

Crowd was pretty noisy, but mostly from the young and drunk. Only calling it as I see it. I will leave it at that and hope that people wise up and realize that this Band won't go on forever and that any opportunity to see them and listen is a gift which once squandered will be gone.

For those complainers and whiners amongst us, please realize what the band does they do for themselves first and foremost as artists. If you do not like what is going on and feel unsatisfied, please, for yourselves, find something that makes you happy. There are loads of us out there who live for the opportunity to spend some time with these people and be part of a community that respects and honors the efforts of all involved. If you can't get with the program, change the channel and find your place in this big world. Life is too short and there are enough areas where negativity pervades. Please don't shit in our house.

Wake up to find out that you are the eyes of the world....if ya don't like what you are lookin at look somewhere else. Pretty simple, aye?

5 and half hours to Cooperstown....who is driving?

Peace till then


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Andrew (Jake0712) on Sunday, April 28, 2013 - 03:59 am: Edit Post

Just got back from AC. Have to say, the music was unbelievable. I was never a big fan of JK, however he's really coming into his own. JK tore up the joint tonight! Seriously thought tonight had some of the best post GD music since JG passing. It was a statement show...


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Adam Dean (Adamdean) on Sunday, April 28, 2013 - 08:25 am: Edit Post

Too funny, Nadnerb70. How do I enroll? I want in!!!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By JeremyDude (Jeremydude) on Sunday, April 28, 2013 - 10:08 am: Edit Post

Thanks Taperrob and Thank you Furthur for a real good time. Was hopin for maybe a little "the race is on" rip George Jones - Toady's listening will be WKCR 89.90 FM NY 10am to 12pm "The Moonshine Show" - streaming live on www. wkcr.org - No BS commercials either - Peace n Roses on a Sunday


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Patrick T Collins (Patricktr) on Sunday, April 28, 2013 - 10:25 am: Edit Post

A fine performance last night, and for those who did not see it, a touching close; after "Touch," Phil walked over to hug Bob, apparently spontaneously, and then the other band members did as well. And while they were at it, they all had to walk around the stage hugging each other, then the group bow.

Yes, way too much crowd noise, and why one goes to the trouble of going to the show and then having a conversation during it remains a mystery, but we are used to that. Not used to the negative and nonsensical posts here and on YouTube regarding Thursday, or comprehending why anyone would bother, but this life is full of the unexplained, some pleasant, some not.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By highnote (Stringtwang) on Sunday, April 28, 2013 - 12:33 pm: Edit Post

Did not attend but listened to the stream. About three songs in, I started to get a really strong image of Garcia in my head. Then I was just sensing that spirit of the Grateful Dead as they dug into the core catalog. When I saw that Bob and Phil were both wearing black, it confirmed in my mind that this was a call to the muse and an homage to Jerry. Perhaps the dedication of the the bar at the Capitol was tainted by Bob's inability to perform and they wanted to produce a more appropriate realization of their collective musical vision. It seems the muse descended and all was well. It sounded beautiful to me. And the picture of Phil and Bobby at the end of the show tells it all -

"Without love in the dream, it will never come true".
bandp


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By tank09 (Bornin69) on Sunday, April 28, 2013 - 02:37 pm: Edit Post

i would like to thank the furthur band for the great music.
i would like thank all those who made all the arrangements to make it possible.
i would like to thank taper_rob.
i would like to thank everyone else who participated.
i am going to go out on a limb and say all the necessary slight adjustments have been made to the course and call it a success and leave it at that.
nuff said.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Est0mtd Brett (Est0mtd) on Sunday, April 28, 2013 - 03:08 pm: Edit Post

I was at this show last night and let me tell you ..Bobby was in FINE form..He was spot on in my opinion..and what about JK..Almost every song he shredded the guitar all the while head turned sideways and just watching and pushing Bobby to play his A game and to me he brought it..That Midnight hour vocally and musicaly reminded me of the great Midnight hours of 1985..Furtur has yet done it again..Thanks to all and especially Taper Rob..


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By missemeveryday (Rtmcdo) on Sunday, April 28, 2013 - 04:35 pm: Edit Post

We were there. 7th row Phil's side. What a show. Didn't see this above, a special shout out to Jeff Chimenti. He tore it up, at times he seemed to lead the transitions even more than did Phil. Everyone had their A game going. The hugs n high fives at the end said it all. Thank you Furthur.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Crazy Fingers (Avalon_story) on Sunday, April 28, 2013 - 08:18 pm: Edit Post

what a great way to end this mini tour, as someone else so aptly put it. The stage seemed far away compared to PC, which was an adjustment. I thoroughly enjoyed AC and got my Stephen, to boot!!! There was some speculation (by myself and others on this board)that it was out of rotation. Sweet surprise!

Bobby did great! My final comments on the whole "Bobby falling down" topic are that, it would have been much worse if he was 25 years old, but after so long, just thank God he's alright. None of us will EVER know what really happened, but we can speculate all we want. Something happened but he's on his feat playing so it wasn't permanent.

A note that was touching, was that Phil got a HUGE crowd applause when he came out for the donor rap. We wouldn't let him speak. What a loud applause. The band was clearly pleased with themselves as well and rejoiced on stage.

Another epic show in the books. And epic for many reasons be it end of tour and last show, bobby's glorious return to stage on an even keel, or even the "we will get by" phrase in Touch of grey that seemed to speak to the entire dead seen, as well as the Super Storm Sandy ravaged victims that are still getting their lives back together. In either case, "We will survive."

Later,

CF


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By tank09 (Bornin69) on Monday, April 29, 2013 - 12:55 am: Edit Post

this is one thing the govt. ought to do, but the govts. head is so far up its ass it won't.
so if i was a billionaire and was willing to spend and from the northeast or anywhere for that matter and really wanted to fuck with the govt. and those southern white douchbags,and really subvert those fuckin asswipes, i would give the black communities money for jobs to rebuild there communities. you only spend what the larger local community can do over say 5 years. no large national companies plus probably other important details. the devil is always in the details.
better housing, better education, better opurtunities, etc. thats it, i guarentee if done honestly and with the local communities involvement and no penny pinching,
it would not only help the particular local community, it would set an example of whats possible with money and resources and opurtunities. it would take people, time, money, but its still would help people.
it would also lead to other unknowns and that is one thing the govt. don't like, unknowns.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By tank09 (Bornin69) on Monday, April 29, 2013 - 01:27 am: Edit Post

that is the frontal attack. rebuild america one local community at a time with locals doing most of the work if possible overseen by someone that cares.
then out of nowhere comes the sneak attack. the no nukes mass occupation of america. basically people occupy wash. and a few other major cities and don't go anywhere until an agreement is made to (not sure of exact details)but something like work toward a nuke free world with immediate lowering of weapons count. lets say an agreement is made and the govt. reneges, then we continue the mass occupation once a year, shut as much down as possible, fuck em.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By tank09 (Bornin69) on Monday, April 29, 2013 - 01:35 am: Edit Post

the harsh part is you gotta get the fuckin democrats and the fuckin unions, and the fuckin catholics and im sure there other fuckers on board. the catholics will eat this shit up. they stand outside these abortion clinics forever. you don't think they will get on board this shit.
the democrats are basically stupid shit followers.
who the fuck knows anything about the unions, but they are democrats.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By tank09 (Bornin69) on Monday, April 29, 2013 - 01:48 am: Edit Post

there's the plan. just in case its needed. hopefully the govt and private citizens will step up and do there part and i can get back to minding my own fucking business. i am never coming up with another fucking plan again.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By tank09 (Bornin69) on Monday, April 29, 2013 - 01:59 am: Edit Post

how u might ask did the plan come about
honestly i don't know
but i am about 99 percent sure it did not happen overnite.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By tank09 (Bornin69) on Monday, April 29, 2013 - 02:13 am: Edit Post

the primary problem was never a matter of trust.
i just never had it. my solution really came about a month ago. i was hand building my second tube amp. i am lucking i didn't get bit by the b+. i was fortunate to have someone show me how to safely test for the b+ so as not to get hurt a few months before on my first build. anyway, building the amp showed me that i have to respect science, since the b+ can really hurt u. that was the part that was missing, i had no respect for science. once i was able to balance the art and the science, viola.
i recommend none of what i have done to anyone.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By tank09 (Bornin69) on Monday, April 29, 2013 - 02:33 am: Edit Post

i would probably just prefer this whole little plan be passed off as a lark, brushed aside, put in a closet, forgotten about, and go about other important more worldly day to day business.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By tank09 (Bornin69) on Monday, April 29, 2013 - 02:44 am: Edit Post

some of you might be thinking we waited all this time for this shit.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By tank09 (Bornin69) on Monday, April 29, 2013 - 02:50 am: Edit Post

would it be too much too ask for no one too take any offence at what i believe i have a constitutional right to say, thank you very much.
speech is a protected right in the united states of america.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By tank09 (Bornin69) on Monday, April 29, 2013 - 03:19 am: Edit Post

believe it or not
i do not consider writing my strong suit, but since i do know how to write a bit i figured i would give a written synopis. this synoptic has been filtered and colored through so many lenses i have not a clue of the accuracy. i would say oil painting and music would be more accurate or a better overall picture. but having said that the written word does have a certain allure as well. personally i have no idea what reality is, but even though i have no idea what reality is, i sort of feel art can be a representation of it.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By tank09 (Bornin69) on Monday, April 29, 2013 - 03:35 am: Edit Post

goodnite


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By tank09 (Bornin69) on Monday, April 29, 2013 - 04:27 am: Edit Post

no. 9
n0. 9
nQ. 9


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Richard Butze (Rbutze) on Monday, April 29, 2013 - 07:28 am: Edit Post

tank needs help


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By mcauleyb (Nadnerb70) on Monday, April 29, 2013 - 09:03 am: Edit Post

The odd trail off to end this thread and this tour is fitting. But u just can't let it end this way. This was fun and the band did everything I expect a Dead band to do. Nothing overly exceeded my expectations and nothing fell short except that I would have preferred something more upbeat in the 'days between' slot. Very enjoyable Dark Star as well as help>slip>franklins. I was pleased with this show at every level however the venue had looooong lines for beers and bathrooms. Not set up very well for intermission. Sound was solid and Bob I was straight back and couldn't see too well. After Capitol shows this venue felt huge. It's an ice rink right on the beach. I love the venue really. But they need to organize vending and lavs better. The crowd was into it and I could tell some had not seen in show in a while and not yet in this tour which was cool. Big crowd. Thanks Furthur and thanks Phil!! Keep bob in line- ha! Cheers! My pick fir best song of my 4 shows- Duprees!
The show was my last until summer in Brooklyn.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Stu (Stus) on Monday, April 29, 2013 - 09:14 am: Edit Post

Lay down my dear brothers lay down and take your rest.....


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By tank09 (Bornin69) on Monday, April 29, 2013 - 01:06 pm: Edit Post

here's where i try to clear up any confusion.
here's where i backtrack and take back a lot of what i have said.
at best i am a gentelmen's c. i don't know how seriously what i say should be taken. i really am not qualified.
i gave up perfectionism along time ago. i make many mistakes everyday. when i built this amp i keep refering to i made many mistakes. it was physically and mentally one of the most challenging, yet also very rewarding things i've done, just building an amp and making mistakes and learning a thing or 2.
when i paint on a canvas, i made and continue to make tons of mistakes, yet i have found with art good is good enough sometimes.
i don't hate anyone. i like people. i like to see people do well and be happy.
i don't hate republicans or people who work for large corps. or wealthy people who don't share.
most everyone likes money or at least spending it.

if you clean up a couple salty words i used, everything i say is very mainstream.
i have ancestors who fought in the civil war for the south.
demands
citizens united overturned
all money out of politics
this is a start.
use the threat of organized mass protests to shutdown the govt. to get them to budge.
i do not want to see another presidential cycle and a do nothing congress like the one we just experienced and continue to experience.

and these protests would not be to get our way, but to be heard. the govt. for some reason either does not hear or is ignoring us. all we want is the corruption out and more careful consideration of important issues without being influenced by outsiders or outside money. we are not asking for much.

the part about rebuilding america one community at a time should really start with the urban communities with the help of the locals and the working class and the middle class and the upper classes doing there part.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By tank09 (Bornin69) on Monday, April 29, 2013 - 02:07 pm: Edit Post

even though what i propose is probably legal and must be peaceful, anytime you go up against a massively corrupt govt. with massive amounts of weapons, there is bound to be a bit of a grey area.
which is why it is important to be organized and include as large a segment of society as possible.
it should probably be done in the open - even going so far as to keep the govt. abreast of what is going on.
it has to be taken seriously, it cannot be a party atmosphere. they have to know we are not kidding.
it will have to include all ages. this is not the young peoples responsibilty although they will play a big part but will have to include lots of middle ages and older people as well to balance everything. if not done correctly things could easily go wrong. must be organized, can't be a slow start, or a half measure start, must have a good start.
i don't know about anyone else, but this would be a terrible inconvience for me and i'm sure everyone else that decides to get on board. that's what the govt. always has on its side, the inconvience, the apathy, not being organized, people getting out of line. this is simple stuff, limit the agenda too a couple issues, reach out to other national groups to see if they would be on board. i don't think there's been a good old fashion protest in a long time, so a good protest may actually be just what the doctor orders, regardless of the outcome. might just be good to exercise a little liberty.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Jerry H (Uncmozo) on Monday, April 29, 2013 - 02:10 pm: Edit Post

And now, back to Further show reviews only -
The key word I walked away with was 'Redemption'. Bobby, the band, the fans, everyone and everything was redeemed Saturday night. My faith in the band was redeemed, the music was redeemed, what a fantastic thing to be part of. The music was as good, if not better, than anyone had any right to expect. The band was happy, the crowd was great. The heartfelt cheers of the crowd at the end of the show said it all. Walking out onto the boardwalk and seeing that bright moon in the sky reminded me Jerry was watching. I think he approved. Saturday night we all came Further.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By tank09 (Bornin69) on Monday, April 29, 2013 - 02:23 pm: Edit Post

is doing nothing an option
hmmmm

i don't want to see anyone get hurt
i don't want to get hurt


doing nothing is always an option, but there are probably better options that if done right no one would have to get hurt


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By tank09 (Bornin69) on Monday, April 29, 2013 - 02:59 pm: Edit Post

this would probably have to been done at least a year out, but before the next pres. election.
get a few smart 20 somethings to run the internet youths on social network sites and slowly get them in line.
get the mainstream organizations to run the grass roots efforts.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By tank09 (Bornin69) on Monday, April 29, 2013 - 03:07 pm: Edit Post

thanks for your patience.
i think i am done now.
just wanted to get this out there.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By tank09 (Bornin69) on Monday, April 29, 2013 - 03:52 pm: Edit Post

zzzzzzzzzzzzzz


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By tank09 (Bornin69) on Monday, April 29, 2013 - 04:11 pm: Edit Post

please be the last post.
as u may recall i mentioned earlier that a new game had started with a new deal. this game is an honest game. i know the cards i'm holding and i can see the cards the govt. is holding, so i feel there is a good chance the govt. will fold and see the errors of their ways. people are watching

let it marinate a few days
i need a minimum of 2 days of recovery, maybe more.
peace out


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Jerry H (Uncmozo) on Monday, April 29, 2013 - 06:54 pm: Edit Post

WTF ??????????????????????


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Richard Butze (Rbutze) on Monday, April 29, 2013 - 07:43 pm: Edit Post

I second that, never seen anything quite like that......wonder if he liked the show?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Crazy Fingers (Avalon_story) on Monday, April 29, 2013 - 08:36 pm: Edit Post

Tanko,

Do you fancy yourself a writer or a poet? If so, you may want to pursue other career choices, orthe nearest mental hospital. I find your manic lame dribble to be incoherent, oblique, uninventive, and boring. Truly awful writing my friend. Pease discontinue your posts. And is your monopolization of the posting area supposd to be a random art form or something? Looks more like litter.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By tank09 (Bornin69) on Monday, April 29, 2013 - 09:26 pm: Edit Post

i thought we were already 2 years into obama's second term. it turns out we are only a couple months into it. everything can be put on hold for at least another year. i would say 2015, maybe.
it occurred to me its possible i may have offended someone, so if the admin. could delete all my posts that would be great.
hank no.9


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By tank09 (Bornin69) on Monday, April 29, 2013 - 11:13 pm: Edit Post

all i'm saying is if the current political situation in america continues and we wind up in 2 years with the same kind of campaign we just went through. we should organize a massive peaceful occupation until we get money out of politics, before the next presidential election. hopefully none of this will be necessary.

that's it. move on. nothing more to see here.
don't read anymore into it.
have a good day.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By tank09 (Bornin69) on Monday, April 29, 2013 - 11:19 pm: Edit Post

yyyy


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By tank09 (Bornin69) on Monday, April 29, 2013 - 11:35 pm: Edit Post

is 700 bucks in free concert tickets the going rate for a vision
i feel used


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By tank09 (Bornin69) on Tuesday, April 30, 2013 - 12:37 am: Edit Post

i believe the anger in my posts is a resentment i never dealt with concerning the govt. if i had any resentments toward the grateful dead or furthur most of these were dealt with years ago, during a long period of recovery. the anger in these posts, i am 99% sure is not directed at further/dead. since i know no more or less with what happened than anyone else i dont know why it is there.
a better version might be one without all the swear words and even then, i don't know.
this was an unfiltered version- the bad and the good. believe it or leave it
its a bit heavy, but everything is cool in my book.
as far as i'm concerned a vision is a good thing.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By tank09 (Bornin69) on Tuesday, April 30, 2013 - 01:21 am: Edit Post

its possible this was not my first vision. i may of had one when i was about 17/18/19 years old. at that time i had no way of expressing it. so while all i wanted to do was express it, i did not have the verbal or written way to express it. i was kind of like a babbling idiot for years, not all the time of course. now after this vision, i feel a weight has finally been lifted, i never understood what this weight was. this is a happy day.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Jerry H (Uncmozo) on Tuesday, April 30, 2013 - 06:34 am: Edit Post

Can the administrator please TAKE OUT THE TRASH?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Richard Butze (Rbutze) on Tuesday, April 30, 2013 - 07:09 am: Edit Post

I went to bed thinking it was gone and done with. Tank, I truly feel bad for you as you are a person with some serious issues. I hope it can be resolved. I also hope it is not the result of bad drugs, too many drugs, or????? Seek help my friend. Plus, also recognize that you have dominated a review posting site and not your private playground or editorial page. Respect others, please.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By mcauleyb (Nadnerb70) on Tuesday, April 30, 2013 - 07:13 am: Edit Post

Can we please take away Tankos log in rights....

Tankos needs his mommy and daddy


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Stu (Stus) on Tuesday, April 30, 2013 - 10:42 am: Edit Post

ahh, leave the kid alone. Makes what I (and half you other wackos out there)who post here seem almost normal.

In one of his posts the dear brother says "hopefully the govt and private citizens will step up and do there part and i can get back to minding my own fucking business.".

Well shall we(as private citizens and members of this government by the people) lovingly say to him that we are on it, so you may go on minding your own fucking business? Apparently he does not want to be part of the solution, just wants everyone to fall into his dream without doing the work. We will get back to him when he returns from school, as his childish ideas and lack of language skill attest to the fact that next year grade 5 will treat him better?

Oh Stu, that ain't nice...


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By WEIRd PHIL (Weirdphil) on Tuesday, April 30, 2013 - 10:56 am: Edit Post

i brought my son to this show instead of the capital show and I am glad for me it was the best of the run

great time in AC great show to end the run


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Michael (Thegunkman) on Tuesday, April 30, 2013 - 12:13 pm: Edit Post

I have no idea why Tank is posting on a concert review site. But amongst all the verbal wanderings are some good ideas. Some not so good ones also. Seems like he (I'm assumming he, hell, maybe Tank is a woman for all I know) needed to express himself, so I'm glad he was able to do that. If we all lived in a more repressive country the authorities may well have been knocking on Tanks door this morning. The U.S.A. has plenty of serious problems that must be fixed. At least we still have freedom of speech, more or less.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By tank09 (Bornin69) on Tuesday, April 30, 2013 - 12:28 pm: Edit Post

monsanto is a piece of shit company.
they are messing with our food supply and farmers.
the only way they could do what they have been doing is to pay off justices and congressman.
the money should be followed and anyone involved should be thrown out of the govt. for being incredible stupid.
anyone in the govt. who supports more nukes should be thrown out of govt. for being incredible stupid.
anyone in govt. who doesn't believe in global warming should be thrown out for being incredible stupid.
no high speed rail for california.
all rail money should be spent rebuilding california's communities, starting with the urban areas and working poor and middle class.
california should stop being so fucking punitive with all the fees and shit, and help people get the skills they need to open a small business if they choose.
tax the oil companies. if they don't like it they should get out of california.
pension reform.
if done right, america's glory days are not behind us, but in front of us.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By tank09 (Bornin69) on Tuesday, April 30, 2013 - 01:11 pm: Edit Post

i shouldn't probably call anyone incredible stupid.
i just feel mistakes have been made by allowing corporations and lobbies to basically corrupt our govt and i just wanted to point this out. i feel they will see the errors of their ways on there own, the errors are not hard to see.
put the people first.
the people can't wait while washington sifts through all the bullshit that has been dumped on america. the republicans should take the lead and release funds immediately to the states to address the conditions of housing, and opportunities, etc for the urban areas as well as the working and middle classes who have been squeezed as well as money for small businesses.
money should be spread out and not siphoned off by local officials or dirty companies who have bribed officials for contracts and only seem to help themselves and very few actual people.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By tank09 (Bornin69) on Tuesday, April 30, 2013 - 01:23 pm: Edit Post

i may have kicked up a bit of dust.
i have to wait until it clears a bit before my next move, over and out


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By tank09 (Bornin69) on Tuesday, April 30, 2013 - 01:30 pm: Edit Post

this is a gift
a gift with rough edges, so be careful
but a gift
and a good thing.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By tank09 (Bornin69) on Tuesday, April 30, 2013 - 01:54 pm: Edit Post

i have laid the groundwork for my cover story.
my cover story is the artists story.
now all i have to do is transition into that story.
an artist can get away with certain things other people may have a harder time dealing with.
with all the other things going on the world today, people have more important things to do than worry about this. this is my business and we will work it out together.
be happy.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By tank09 (Bornin69) on Tuesday, April 30, 2013 - 02:01 pm: Edit Post

all i did was smoke some legal california mmj,
and i must have had a reaction. i have no recollection of anything. i'm an artist. all i do is paint funny pictures. i think it will play.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By tank09 (Bornin69) on Tuesday, April 30, 2013 - 03:26 pm: Edit Post

i have a sense of humor always and also about this.
this was a pipe dream and as such most of it should not be taken to seriously. i don't even think it should be acted upon. the govt should clean up the mess it has made, but people should also be responsible and keep and eye on them. just in case someone takes this too seriously. people should as a general rule mind there own business and not worry about what others are doing, except in this case i broke the rule, since i guess i thought it needed to be said. thats why i like painting, since it is one thing that allows me to mind my own business. everybodys different though, and it takes a village of all sorts kind of people with all sorts of interests to form larger communities. people should be living there lives, not worrying about the fuckin govt. which is why i think they ought to clean up there act a bit and let people mind there own business and create some opportunities for themselves and others.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Richard Butze (Rbutze) on Tuesday, April 30, 2013 - 03:45 pm: Edit Post

Tank, yes you have exercised your freedom of speech, and as Michael said, at least we still have that. However, you have made about 33 posts (last count) or so and you have exercised your rights in a forum that probably is not the right spot. Had you taken two posts to briefly outline how to improve the country and maybe at least one about the music then it might have taken on some credibility. However you have rambled all over the map. I suggest you learn how to write and clearly state your beliefs and thoughts, then take it to the right forum. In your last "rant" "this was a pipe dream and as such most of it should not be taken seriously". Really dude? You go on for 32 posts then come to this. Please STOP, get some help, learn how to write and effectively gather your thoughts.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By tank09 (Bornin69) on Tuesday, April 30, 2013 - 04:34 pm: Edit Post

almost done.
i decided to quit my job and paint about 2 years ago and i wound up on food stamps. now i will try to get back to the middle class values i grew up with. i want to get back to my bong and middle class life. once i figure out what the goldmine needs to get up and running, the goldmine will be open for business.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By tank09 (Bornin69) on Tuesday, April 30, 2013 - 05:23 pm: Edit Post

if i told you all that went down it would burn off both your ears.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Crazy Fingers (Avalon_story) on Tuesday, April 30, 2013 - 09:04 pm: Edit Post

Tanko,

I know I have chastised you in the past, but seriously, do as you may its a free country.

You seem to want to talk politics. When I was a student at Humboldt State University in Arcata, CA back in 1992 there were many radical views and we all came down on special interests, lobbies, the government etc... But now, I need more than rhetoric to take arguments and points seriously. You make some broad sweeping statements that I m sure are valid, but they would have more impact if you documented your claims. It's hard to take it seriously if you don't. Substantiate your claims with references. Thats what all good writers, essaists, and researchers do. This is my last comment on this thread. See ya around everyone.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By tank09 (Bornin69) on Tuesday, April 30, 2013 - 10:36 pm: Edit Post

things are getting clearer. i see now i was wrong about a lot of things.
the first part i think has past.
now things are getting more personal and i don't think they are appropriate on a public forum.
i don't know the full story and i don't think it is done yet, but basically it includes things like Love and Failed Returns and Heroes.
Bob and Phil and Furthur are my Heroes.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By tank09 (Bornin69) on Tuesday, April 30, 2013 - 11:10 pm: Edit Post

all i know is i hitched a ride, possible unauthorized. this story is over for now. i cannot continue to post without the express written permission of others.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Richard Butze (Rbutze) on Wednesday, May 01, 2013 - 07:14 am: Edit Post

thanks crazy, you saved me one more post.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By David Jancy (Djancy75) on Wednesday, May 01, 2013 - 01:57 pm: Edit Post

Hey tank09...put the pipe down and walk away.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By tank09 (Bornin69) on Wednesday, May 01, 2013 - 03:26 pm: Edit Post

i guess everybody has a different definition of good clean fun.
btw the way, the posts were brought to you by the good folks at:

fugovtcrooks@altcommdevices.ipartiallyhatethefuckininternet.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By mcauleyb (Nadnerb70) on Wednesday, May 01, 2013 - 09:03 pm: Edit Post

Tankos you are an ass get a life. It's hardly worth logging in just to post this.

But since you do read these ( I haven't read a thing you've posted) take some advice; go home go to bed and work on being productive the next day.

I'm tired if your dumb posts as its affecting the energy of this board.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By tank09 (Bornin69) on Wednesday, May 01, 2013 - 09:46 pm: Edit Post

*conversation*

hey man, i was listening to some good tunes on the philzone site the other day and then after the shows i shared a vision about it.

"you shared a vision on a website"

yeah.

"there's no way that can be appropriate"

what do you mean. i thought the internet was the new technology of the future. you mean this doesn't happen all the time.

"you're crazy"

well now i'm starting to feel a bit weird about it


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By tank09 (Bornin69) on Wednesday, May 01, 2013 - 10:39 pm: Edit Post

but since this weight has been lifted and this has helped, at least myself, i am not too concerned right now whether it was appropriate or not.

but for next time, even though i know you don't like to give advice, what advice would you give to someone like myself or anyone for that matter, who does not want to make a mistake when about to do something important.

"think before you act"


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By tank09 (Bornin69) on Wednesday, May 01, 2013 - 11:17 pm: Edit Post

i don't like to keep any stone unturned so i came up with an alternative theory.

this was some 1950's stanford mind experiment that went really well, imo of course.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By tank09 (Bornin69) on Thursday, May 02, 2013 - 12:44 am: Edit Post

you have just been mind fucked


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By tank09 (Bornin69) on Thursday, May 02, 2013 - 12:56 am: Edit Post

or skull fucked


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By tank09 (Bornin69) on Thursday, May 02, 2013 - 01:52 am: Edit Post

hahahahahahahhahahhhahahahahahhahahaha
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ahahahahahahahahahahahahahahhahahahahhaa


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By tank09 (Bornin69) on Thursday, May 02, 2013 - 02:11 am: Edit Post

hahahahahahhahahahahahahahhahaahhahahaha
hahahahahahahahahhahahahahahahahahahhahaha
ahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaah
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hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahhaahhaah


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By tank09 (Bornin69) on Thursday, May 02, 2013 - 02:20 am: Edit Post

zzzzzz


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By tank09 (Bornin69) on Thursday, May 02, 2013 - 02:30 am: Edit Post

i know its not perfect but, good enough should count for something.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By tank09 (Bornin69) on Thursday, May 02, 2013 - 02:33 am: Edit Post

hahahahahahhahahahahahhahahahahahhaahahah
hahahahahahhahahahahahahhahahahahahhahaha
hahahahahahhahahahahahhahahahhahahahahhahaah
hahahahhahahahahahhahahahahhahahahahhahaha
hahahhahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahhahah


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By tank09 (Bornin69) on Thursday, May 02, 2013 - 10:21 am: Edit Post

help on the way


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Dolly Dagger (Jillluvsphil) on Thursday, May 02, 2013 - 11:52 am: Edit Post

whoa ! it's the weird subculture of review thread posters ~

who knew?!?!

and apparently assholes abound *all ovah* the PZ


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Dolly Dagger (Jillluvsphil) on Thursday, May 02, 2013 - 11:54 am: Edit Post

repost from other stuff ~

************************************************** *****************************

guess it's ironic when words cannot adequtely express something but you wanna share with the world

when technology is finally such that stream of consciousness can be captured, I will be golden as many fabulous review ideas/snippets have been flowing thru my head since sunday.

the #1 gratitude I wish to express is the great good comapny I had the pleasure to keep ~ beginning with Daughta2K & Friend ~ such a super great surprise, and she and her girl C are inspirations, as young women of this generation are so strong and honest and real. Wow what a blessing to have a nice reconnection with the kiddo of an outrageously wise funny and talented woman who I miss oh so much ~ Mootha !!!

also had a super close room for a super good deal with another good zoner pal which was likewise the cat's meow (:

also got to hug our Rosnata which is always, always a pleasure. I am so super glad he & DS got the tic hookup they needed. Zoner friendships are a miraculous thing and warm my heart all the time

most fun 3D first time meeting 100% goes to our Mistress Merri !!! honestly nothing like i expected ~ a much more glowy gorgeous angelic, wicked woman than I anticipated beautiful inside & out, and had fun fun fun except I agree that hippy boy shoulda been ditched much sooner for mo better girly time post show beach fun lololol

the show~

theshowtheshowtheshow

ya know that is the bottom line as to why I am ever there. well, seeing Beloved Peeps & doing my Red Gypsy thang too (;

so I had a lil anxiety with 7pm start about when they would actually begin... plus my tic was not floor but I wanted to be down there & didn't know what to expect. what I didn't realize until later was that Boston impacted the "backpack" rule, and, altho I was hassled on the way in, mildly, ("the next people will take that from you") I got in everything I wanted & needed, including not one but two waters lolol. and the place was never any less of a free for all from there on out !

basically, I entered sec 106 where I had an actual tic, then proceeded to saunter down the stairs and into the floor the moment the music started. It would surprise me to hear anyone had issues of any kind there. this place ROCKED ! even tipped my personal guard at the end with a phatty he so well deserved & I hope well enjoyed~

found my dear 710 and we hung thru the show at various points, and I am pretty certain there was one or 2 zoners that crossed my path, but am uncertain as to who maybe there were none and I was fully shunned lol. Oh yea I did spot a zone couple later & def let them be lolol

oh, I got a Sylvia & Tiff hug, which was lovely

annnyhoo, as I always say, you see who you are meant to ~

and that was how it was. non zone~wise, (gasp lol) ran into some locals from Philly & was blown away by some of the Love I was shown, kinda randomly..

the LOVE was truly the theme bottom line and meaning of this night ~

Phil Steered the Ship Drove the Train Thundered His way through the Show ~ Bobby was flawless and humble yet prankstery powerful, showing Us he is, indeed, stronger than dirt, & one crash ain't gonna make him burn

it was really uplifting, fun, vibrant, energetic, swirly, balletic, majestic, rippin' and gentle all at once and at various points in the night

Doin that Rag

DS>LetitGrow>DS

I don't even know what else but it all felt perfect in it's context, meaning & execution and, I for one, was 100% thoroughly pleased and satisfied. it was truly one of those shows where the RAUNCH and Power & the Glory and mad alchemistic genius is flowing from and through the musicians, and US and the venue and the Universe. at least it was for me

and, the real life truth is, for the past few weeks my life has been at one of it's darkest points. this past weekend could have gone very differently, and the messages I got, both of the cosmic, up for interpretation type, as well as real peeps speaking actual words to me

"the world is a better place with you in it"

and always, doing readings is such a powerful, powerful thing to do, such a gift I so passionately love to share with and use to help guide peopleÖ

all that brought me back to the reality of who I am and that I matter.

And the Mountains of the Moon didnít hurt !!!

you never know what impact your words will have on another person.

thank you from the deepest part of my heart & soul, Raquel (& parking lot guy!)

I love me

I love Phil

I love BOBBY

I love Us

I love Life.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By tank09 (Bornin69) on Thursday, May 02, 2013 - 01:27 pm: Edit Post

into slipknot

**break**
i have to take a previously scheduled 24hr break.
to be continued sometime friday. just a couple more drops left, probably spread out over a couple days. thanks for the kind words.
**break**


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Dead Ahead (Tommy) on Friday, May 03, 2013 - 12:42 am: Edit Post

Thought Atlantic City was the best Furthur show i've seen since they've gotten together, and one of my favorite post-Jerry shows period(which is a bold statement, I know). It just hit me that way, the band played ona superior level, the song selection blew me away. JK was great, best I've heard him, Jeff Chimenti was unbelievable, Phil was loud and proud, Russo was totally all over it, and Bob was..well..just exactly perfect. His playing supported JK and Phil beautifully all night, and he was really locked in with Russo at a couple points that just made the music so tight. Right up there with the best post-Garcia I've attended like Phil 7/21/01, TOO 7/25/98, 8/4/02, ratDog 3/27/04, 11/3/07 etc. Real quality performance!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By mcauleyb (Nadnerb70) on Friday, May 03, 2013 - 08:47 am: Edit Post

Tankos the fact you are at shows is actually scary. I just hope I'm not there when you are. Your behavior on this board is actually a form of stalking. It's to be condemned and I wish the system administrator would wake his but up and shut down your privileges.

Please give warning if which shows you attend so I can avoid you. Your behavior is seriously clinically sick. And I happen to know a thing or two about psychology.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By tank09 (Bornin69) on Friday, May 03, 2013 - 02:44 pm: Edit Post

**please keep in mind that i do love bob and phil and the grateful dead extended family.**

i have decided to share a deep and dark secret i have been holding onto that i have never shared with anyone. i feel sharing this is the only thing i can do, to be free of this dark secret.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By tank09 (Bornin69) on Friday, May 03, 2013 - 03:23 pm: Edit Post

**please keep in mind i have always done my own thing**
**please keep in mind i think i have succeeded in what i am about to share.**
**please keep in mind i never really know what's going on when it comes to the grateful dead so i could be totally wrong**
**please keep in mind these posts have a few different levels to them and this dark secret only pertains to one level. this is a not to be taken too seriously level. this pertains to why i had all those hahahaahhahaha's a few posts up**
**please keep in mind i think old wounds have healed enough to safely reveal this secret.**


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By tank09 (Bornin69) on Friday, May 03, 2013 - 04:06 pm: Edit Post

hahahhahahahhahahahhahahahahhaha
hahahhahahahhahahahahhahahahhaha
hahahahhahahahahhahahahahahahhaa
hahahahahahhahahahhahahahahahhah
ahahahahhahahhahahahhhahahahahha
ahahahhahahhahahahhahahahahhahah


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By tank09 (Bornin69) on Friday, May 03, 2013 - 04:15 pm: Edit Post

into franklins tower

give it a good:


ring ring ring ring ring ring ring ring ring ring ring ring ring ring ring ring ring ring ring ring ring ring ring ring ring ring ring ring ring ring ring ring ring ring ring ring ring ring ring ring ring ring ring ring ring ring ring ring ring ring ring ring ring ring ring ring ring ring ring ring


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By tank09 (Bornin69) on Friday, May 03, 2013 - 06:38 pm: Edit Post

happy 44th birthday to me.
to has to be the best present i could ever ask for.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By tank09 (Bornin69) on Friday, May 03, 2013 - 06:55 pm: Edit Post

yes, by one of many coincidence this past couple of weeks, it really is my birthday.

if i can help myself, i will never do this again.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By tank09 (Bornin69) on Friday, May 03, 2013 - 09:08 pm: Edit Post

i will have to read up on it,and even then, i am pretty sure it is not mine, but yours now.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By tank09 (Bornin69) on Friday, May 03, 2013 - 09:17 pm: Edit Post

to do with as you wish. i have let it go.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By tank09 (Bornin69) on Friday, May 03, 2013 - 09:19 pm: Edit Post

i am pretty sure this is just tip of the iceberg stuff.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By tank09 (Bornin69) on Friday, May 03, 2013 - 09:22 pm: Edit Post

i am pretty sure this is just tip of the iceberg stuff. how this turned out was actually totally unplanned on my part. give it a couple more days to finish and see how it feels in the end.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By tank09 (Bornin69) on Friday, May 03, 2013 - 09:48 pm: Edit Post

this will end sunday for sure.
i would seriously consider banning all users from the site or this thread except tank09 until monday.
i would not do anything for a year.
i will get in touch with you or you get in touch with me.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By tank09 (Bornin69) on Friday, May 03, 2013 - 09:57 pm: Edit Post

i would save all the posts and put them in order, it may or may not be important. after monday i would delete all my posts. if you cannot ban all the other users, keep the site open and just delete my newer posts after they are copied.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By tank09 (Bornin69) on Friday, May 03, 2013 - 10:01 pm: Edit Post

i have a sense of humor, but there are a couple of different levels to this and some of them are serious. again, i do not consider these mine anymore and i have no control over what is done with them. knowing what i know, i am just trying to be helpful.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By tank09 (Bornin69) on Friday, May 03, 2013 - 10:06 pm: Edit Post

did you delete one post. that whole p***k thing is over in my book. i am sorry i acted the way i did. its not possible for anyone to understand these posts in this short of time and things are not as they always appear. that post is actually the most important post for this to possible be useful to anyone but me, i think.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By tank09 (Bornin69) on Friday, May 03, 2013 - 10:32 pm: Edit Post

zzzzzzzz


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By tank09 (Bornin69) on Friday, May 03, 2013 - 10:54 pm: Edit Post

i will give you a hint. any post with a lot of swear words is probably only meant for more dedicated eyes and not for public viewers with weak stomachs. nothing i say is original, it is all cobbled together from other sources. while the way i said it is actually original, as far as i know. again i am only a 70% student and i may have made mistakes, this is not a science, but i did try to follow some kind of rules. as far as i am concerned it is already working and will continue to work as long as people take it serious.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By tank09 (Bornin69) on Friday, May 03, 2013 - 11:00 pm: Edit Post

might have made a mistake. i do not think copies are really needed. actually, do not listen to my most of my advice.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By tank09 (Bornin69) on Friday, May 03, 2013 - 11:24 pm: Edit Post

agh, my control issues. clearly i'm almost down.
apparently, i still have some of my control issues even though i'm almost sure i'm better than before.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By tank09 (Bornin69) on Saturday, May 04, 2013 - 11:25 am: Edit Post

encore

terrapin station suite

soon you will not hear his voice


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By tank09 (Bornin69) on Saturday, May 04, 2013 - 01:17 pm: Edit Post

***take a moment to point out a couple things. these are sketches and based on real events and i'm sure others can come up with there own examples. to me these things seem wrong, but i can't be 100% sure about it.
a)a single mother with one kid living in a single room makes $1200 a month and is also on food stamps.
she gets a motor vehicle red light ticket for $500.
how can this added stress not adversely affect her and her dreams. traffic tickets should not be so punitive imo and not be used to raise more money for local and state coffers.
b)local officials in irvine, ca decide to build a great park. they have spent close to a billion dollars over 10 years and as of now they have actually only spent 20 million dollars actually building the park. nobody is in jail over this, and i am not saying they should be in jail, but they shold be kicked out of offices they hold and not be trusted with public funds.
c)california is in a pension crises. no details on this. abuses should be stopped right away.
d)judges and congressman local and federal. it is clear most of them are allowing themselves to be corrupted by corrupters(lobbyist,wealthy individuals,large corporations,etc). imo, people are born with everything they need to know and should not allow others to pay them off to make bad decisions that always seem to adversely affect the public good and have other adverse consequences as well.***


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By tank09 (Bornin69) on Saturday, May 04, 2013 - 01:32 pm: Edit Post

***los angeles,ca has two 100,100 capacity stadiums within 10 miles of each other and now there are discussions to build another one right between these two. what, is los angeles planning, feeding the christians to the lions again. and why is usc a private college practically being given a public stadium for free. what are they teaching the students at these colleges.***


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By tank09 (Bornin69) on Saturday, May 04, 2013 - 01:47 pm: Edit Post

***everyone needs room to grow. there has been so much bullshit spread, especially the last 10 years or so nothing has room to grow. lets stop shoveling the bullshit and get on with actually growing something worthwhile. these corrupt govt. officials should also be given some room to grow a backbone and say no to all money from outside sources for a start, knowing that the eyes of the world are now watching, and are ready to act if the need arises.***


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By tank09 (Bornin69) on Saturday, May 04, 2013 - 02:23 pm: Edit Post

at this point, i'm assuming i have some control over this and can stop at any time. my plan is to stop tomorrow, so i can transition into something else, fuckin a.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By tank09 (Bornin69) on Saturday, May 04, 2013 - 03:10 pm: Edit Post

if i had more time to think about it, i suppose i could have hopped on a plane to washington and told them my story, but i just couldn't be certain they would take it well and not just ship me off to Guantanamo Bay.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By tank09 (Bornin69) on Saturday, May 04, 2013 - 03:17 pm: Edit Post

i suppose i could have told the catholic church, but again i wasn't sure how they would take it and didn't want to mistakenly be burned at the stake, with an apology after the fact.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By tank09 (Bornin69) on Saturday, May 04, 2013 - 03:30 pm: Edit Post

whether it was trust or a gamble, i figured i could share it on philzone, while ruffling as few feathers as possible.

**afternoon break**


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By tank09 (Bornin69) on Saturday, May 04, 2013 - 04:00 pm: Edit Post

it might have been better to say unsympathetic feathers.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By tank09 (Bornin69) on Saturday, May 04, 2013 - 04:04 pm: Edit Post

i mentioned i make mistakes, nothing ought to be taken as a personal attack against any individual.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By tank09 (Bornin69) on Saturday, May 04, 2013 - 06:09 pm: Edit Post

a lot of what is say is based on the idea that we are all connected. typically u hear people pray for peace or that they want peace. well what exactly is peace. i haven't seen much peace lately, although i did start to feel something akin to peace, but its been so long, i forgot what peace fells like. so everything is connected, all action has a reaction. if a group of people share a common, more precise vision of what peace might look like, the larger community has no choice but to change as well. if one person changes, this always effects others as well. so if one group of people change, this will effect the larger group as well.


my point is i think there needs to be a more concrete and precise vision. i believe most of this vision is already shared to a certain degree, but thought i would offer it up as a blueprint, that can be tweaked to whatever people feel or think is best for them and there circumstances.

no one is required to go along with this. this is totally by choice. at worst it might require a slight change in thinking.

hope this clears everything up.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By tank09 (Bornin69) on Saturday, May 04, 2013 - 09:19 pm: Edit Post

at least to my way of thinking, i don't think there's any reason this would be classified as "holy", per se.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By tank09 (Bornin69) on Saturday, May 04, 2013 - 09:24 pm: Edit Post

i just used some reason,logic,ethics, and morals
and told a story and had a good bit of fun doing it,
because i smoked some good weed. you decide.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By tank09 (Bornin69) on Saturday, May 04, 2013 - 09:41 pm: Edit Post

no, i thought decision making processes take a long time.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By tank09 (Bornin69) on Saturday, May 04, 2013 - 09:44 pm: Edit Post

okay, then it's going to be played out


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By tank09 (Bornin69) on Saturday, May 04, 2013 - 09:53 pm: Edit Post

remember i mentioned i am a 70% student. i used an educated guess on the last one. the good news is they both end in a happy ending


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By tank09 (Bornin69) on Saturday, May 04, 2013 - 09:56 pm: Edit Post

one is guaranteed the other is not


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By tank09 (Bornin69) on Saturday, May 04, 2013 - 10:01 pm: Edit Post

come to think of it, i probably used totally the wrong words in the previous post to describe it.
i just think trying to do something is the right way to go, but i also think you have to have a good plan.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By tank09 (Bornin69) on Saturday, May 04, 2013 - 10:08 pm: Edit Post

they say a picture speaks a thousand words. i tried to upload a photo, but u see i run a unix based computer with the debian os. the thing is i barely know how to run it. i have actually done some downloads with, but i find them incredible difficult to figure out and they can take days for me to figure out. so i went to my local library where they run window os and tried to do it there. fucking turns out they disable the right click button on the computers, and i just didn't have the fucking time to try to figure it out. even then i still don't think i could figure it out.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By tank09 (Bornin69) on Saturday, May 04, 2013 - 10:11 pm: Edit Post

why might u ask i am running a unix based machine i barely know how to use.

because its more secure


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By tank09 (Bornin69) on Saturday, May 04, 2013 - 10:21 pm: Edit Post

of course that's not the real reason i use a unix based computer. but the real reason is kind of personal and i am not sure u would understand.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By tank09 (Bornin69) on Saturday, May 04, 2013 - 10:26 pm: Edit Post

okay, i'll share it with u then. i have been through so many fucking computers in the last 10 years, there was no way i was going to buy another one. this was the only one i could get for free.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By tank09 (Bornin69) on Saturday, May 04, 2013 - 10:41 pm: Edit Post

i think i have a lot of good ideas. most of them seem to be in that gray area between the mainstream and the alternative.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By tank09 (Bornin69) on Saturday, May 04, 2013 - 10:51 pm: Edit Post

sssss


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By tank09 (Bornin69) on Saturday, May 04, 2013 - 11:23 pm: Edit Post

i don't know why i have been so talkative the last couple days. maybe its because my food stamps have run out for this month and my food intake has been a bit off this last week or so. but that's okay, my stamps come in monday may 6, 2013 and then i can go back to eating again.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By tank09 (Bornin69) on Saturday, May 04, 2013 - 11:39 pm: Edit Post

i hate asking for money


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By tank09 (Bornin69) on Sunday, May 05, 2013 - 12:41 am: Edit Post

one of the reasons i have enjoyed oil painting so much the past couple of years is that it has help tremendously with slowing down and focusing my thoughts. i had no idea this much. honestly, i didn't know i had it in me. believe me when i say that none of this was planned. i just went with it.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By tank09 (Bornin69) on Sunday, May 05, 2013 - 12:49 am: Edit Post

2nd encore

biko-peter gabriel

the man is dead

the eyes of the world are watching


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By tank09 (Bornin69) on Sunday, May 05, 2013 - 01:04 am: Edit Post

its really just a blend of things. there is nothing pure about it.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By tank09 (Bornin69) on Sunday, May 05, 2013 - 01:28 am: Edit Post

i honestly feel this has been a worthwhile excursion, with very little downside.

**for the most part i am using words like excursion after i look them up on google to find out what exactly is the meaning of a word like excursion. i have done this on a number of words in this story.
i don't know whether this helps**


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By tank09 (Bornin69) on Sunday, May 05, 2013 - 01:45 am: Edit Post

i'm sorry, i lied. i thought i could take that liberty since i am telling a story, but now i am not so sure, so better safe than sorry. i do not get my stamps till may 8, 2013, but i wanted this to be over sunday, so i lied.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By tank09 (Bornin69) on Sunday, May 05, 2013 - 01:57 am: Edit Post

what i want to know here is if there is anything going on except entertainment.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By tank09 (Bornin69) on Sunday, May 05, 2013 - 02:11 am: Edit Post

even though i admitted to lying there, that does not make the other parts true.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By tank09 (Bornin69) on Sunday, May 05, 2013 - 11:21 am: Edit Post

3rd encore

it's all over now, baby blue

take what you have gathered from coincidence


these post are dedicated to all the men, women, and children still with us and to the memories of all the men, women, and children no longer among us.


THE END


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By tank09 (Bornin69) on Sunday, May 05, 2013 - 02:13 pm: Edit Post

thank you for keeping the noise to a minimum during the performance. now that it is over you may:

clap clap clap clap clap clap clap clap clap

clap clap clap clap clap clap clap clap clap

clap clap clap clap clap clap clap clap clap


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By tank09 (Bornin69) on Monday, May 06, 2013 - 12:00 am: Edit Post

believe me you when i say there are things i would definitely not share on the internet, people could really get the wrong idea.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By tank09 (Bornin69) on Monday, May 06, 2013 - 12:02 am: Edit Post

gratefully


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By tank09 (Bornin69) on Monday, May 06, 2013 - 12:10 am: Edit Post

it seemed like something was missing. it seems like i should show more gratitude. i think i am grateful or will soon be, but the past 3 weeks have been a bit rough with the pre show stuff, the shows, and then the aftermath here.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By tank09 (Bornin69) on Monday, May 06, 2013 - 01:54 am: Edit Post

am i talking to myself here, is any of this starting to click.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By tank09 (Bornin69) on Monday, May 06, 2013 - 02:21 am: Edit Post

i never really believed it before, but i guess the pen really is mightier than the sword.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By tank09 (Bornin69) on Monday, May 06, 2013 - 02:41 am: Edit Post

i'm not so sure it was just blowin in the wind, it definitely seem to require some work on my part.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By tank09 (Bornin69) on Monday, May 06, 2013 - 02:58 pm: Edit Post

parking lot scene after the aftermath

lido shuffle- boz scaggs


all out of love - air supply
what are you thinking of
what are you thinking of

rosanna- toto

macarthur's park- richard harris
someone left the cake out in the rain
i don't think that i can take it
since it took so long to bake it
and i will never have that recipe again, oh no

come on eileen- dexy's midnight runner's


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By tank09 (Bornin69) on Monday, May 06, 2013 - 03:10 pm: Edit Post

holiday- madonna
holiday, it would be so nice


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By tank09 (Bornin69) on Monday, May 06, 2013 - 04:38 pm: Edit Post

fall on me - rem
buy the sky and sell the sky

bad -u2

give me one reason - tracy chapman

dirty work- steely dan
i'm a fool to do your dirty work
i don't want to do your dirty work, no more

angel from montgomery- raitt and prine

it can happen to you- yes

one more for the road- ronnie lane

books

just to show how slow on the uptake i can sometimes be, i just got around to reading ken keseys- one flew over the cuckoo's nest and Jack Kerouac's on the road a couple of years ago. i tried to read them when i was younger, but i never could get through the whole book.

albert camus-the prisoner
albert camus- the plague
plato- republic

i went through a period of time along time ago reading a lot about the mafia, not anymore.
i read a few books a year if i'm lucky or hit a book streak. can't go through a whole list.

movies
i can't bring myself to list much
marathon man- i think i have seen it twice
is it safe, is it safe
that line always cracks me up

the help- i liked it

i just wanted to list a few things to show how
easy it is to get distracted by other things. that may have been partially what happened to me, i got so distracted by other things, i almost forgot to do my own thing.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By tank09 (Bornin69) on Monday, May 06, 2013 - 07:05 pm: Edit Post

deep background
here's where the details start to get fuzzier.
i played a lot of sports when i was younger. by the time i was 18 i really had no idea how to play guitar because i never practiced.
i keep referring to certain things as vision. i am calling them this as a matter of course, but i don't know really what the correct term might be.

i mentioned i have had two visions. this one, which is more of a non-personal, larger community type and the one when i was younger, which was a more personal vision/dream, i think.
it turns out the first vision i had after reading plato's republic. combined with a childhood dream made for a confusing stew. let's just say i did not handle it well. i tried to suppress it and control it which are the worst things one can do, especially with heavy alcohol or hard drugs. this went on totally unsuccessfully for a few years. eventually around twenty-eight i started a period of recovery where i went back to school and held the same job for about 6 years and had a couple of almost practically normal relationships with women.

so the other night when this latest thing happened i knew i could not risk holding onto it so i shared it with no idea of the consequences.
it might be worth it to look at this way. i had a "vision" and shared a "version" of it on the internet. so even though the "vision" is mine, the "version" i shared now belongs to the internet and i don't consider it mine anymore.
most people may want to simply ignore it, others may want to view it as a story with some funny parts in it or the really interested may want to interpret it. i'm sure there are many ways to look or not look at this. i don't know what to tell you.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By tank09 (Bornin69) on Monday, May 06, 2013 - 07:46 pm: Edit Post

the only dance move i know is the two-step.
i can two-step around something for a long time without ever addressing it.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By tank09 (Bornin69) on Monday, May 06, 2013 - 08:26 pm: Edit Post

did u want me to mention the arrests and jails, the detoxes,rehabs,half-way houses, homeless shelters, even though i knew i was acting very strange and for all intent and purposes i was acting a bit crazy , i knew something they didn't know so i never went along with the idea i was crazy for very long.
we have been living in a very sick society for quite a while where, for example, there is a lot of abuse of power, the local,state,and federal corruption, some religious people who don't believe in science for some reason and wanted that view accepted as mainstream, the questionable business practices of some companies,
the gangs and drugs and violence, the list could go on and on. these things won't work out well.
so today i feel a bit vindicated and without lifting nothing but a pen have proved myself "right" and them "wrong", to my satisfaction.
for some reason i think they will slowly start to see the errors of there ways.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By tank09 (Bornin69) on Monday, May 06, 2013 - 09:10 pm: Edit Post

boy in the bubble -paul simon

these are the days of miracles and wonder
this is the long distance call


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By tank09 (Bornin69) on Monday, May 06, 2013 - 10:01 pm: Edit Post

i figured i better get out in front of a couple things. better to hear it from me, "right".


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By tank09 (Bornin69) on Monday, May 06, 2013 - 10:29 pm: Edit Post

everything else is either not true or not worth mentioning at this time.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By tank09 (Bornin69) on Tuesday, May 07, 2013 - 12:54 pm: Edit Post

bankrobber-the clash

gloria-laura branigan
the voices in your head

the harder they come-jimmy cliff
the harder they fall

dreaming-blondie
dreaming is real

celluloid heroes-the kinks
everybody's a dreamer

road to nowhere-talking heads

get up, stand up-bob marley and the wailers
you can fool some of the people some of the time
but you can't fool all the people all the time

while you see a chance- steve winwood

soul salvation-english beat

everyday i write the book-elvis costello
everyday, everyday, everyday i write the book


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By tank09 (Bornin69) on Tuesday, May 07, 2013 - 01:05 pm: Edit Post

rags and old iron-nina simone
All he was buying was just rags and old iron


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By tank09 (Bornin69) on Tuesday, May 07, 2013 - 05:11 pm: Edit Post

hopefully this brings us all up to date and current.
from my song selections it might look like we are still in the 1980's, but looks can be deceiving and i'm pretty sure we are current.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By tank09 (Bornin69) on Tuesday, May 07, 2013 - 05:52 pm: Edit Post

it might be time for something different now.
how about a trip around the world to see who are allies are. living in california, our first stop is mexico. as far as i'm concerned mexico has always been our friend. they are having some issues now, but hopefully we can cooperate constructively and work them out. heading furthur into central and south america, we see america's past of meddling in things that are none of america's business and this has probably caused a lot of brutality and violence. hopefully that era is over and slowly, by focusing on the needs of the people down there, things will improve for everyone. canada, eh. heading to europe we stop in france. great country, i think paris was built as a work of art, i could be wrong. italy, when i went to the train station to use the toilet, they had a big room with many holes in the ground and no toilet paper and no privacy. being used to american plumbing i thought this utterly barbaric, but they are still our ally.

germany deserves a special mention imo. after ww2 i believe they were not allowed to build up an army, so for the past 60 years they could spend most of their money domestically and not on the military. they build some top quality expensive items that are second to none and exported to foriegn countries. they have built up quite a bit of alternative energy and i think are against nuclear energy as being unsafe. i am not an expert but germany must be considered as a model of what can be done if a country does not spend so much on the military and old energy.
eastern europe-i have ancestors from south of russia, so i have always liked most of the people from eastern europe and russia. russian society is quite out of balance as well. alot of there poorer citizens have it rough and they have a bit of a alcohol problem as well. africa-here's where i believe earliest man rose up out of. i don't know why some parts of africa seems to have
it rough. i was friendly with a girl from tanzania and i really liked her and her friends from tanzania and kenya. after we clean up america, there must be a better solution for africa. we are not going to stop everywhere, but let's make a couple more stops. middle east- there seems to be some tension here. i feel most of the people of these countries are our allies and its a minority of people and extremist who are fanning some flames. too much to be dealt with here. china? the big question mark. north korea- very close to a line they don't want to cross. iran- should really reconsider how they want to go foward as a country unless they want to become like north korea. alot of young people over there who are our allies. after the shaw was kicked out a lot of iranians came to america. a few of them lived in my neighborhood and after getting over some different customs, most of them turned out to be quite nice. i also met a lot of students from different countries when i went back to college and i never met anyone i didn't like something about.
i am going to go out on a limb and say every country in the world is our ally whether we or they know it. i don't think we have a choice.

as i mentioned earlier, its not one thing, its two things. nukes and social justice for the poor.
north korea is like a friend who tells us something we don't want to hear. what are they telling us. that america cannot continue to treat the poor in america and around the world(with unjust policies)so those at the top 0.6% can take all the resources which they could never use. this is unjust to the everyone, but effects the poor the worst. the middle class gets squeezed and the regular rich people get lumped in with the super rich. the 0.6% has been trying to spread the untruth that poor people are poor because of some fault of there own. if they only work 100hrs a week for 20 years they can save a down payment on a house and then get a loan and they and their kids and grandkids can spend the next 100 years to pay it off. imo, north korea is doing us a favor, whether they know it or not.
some of america's policies at home and abroad are wrong and should not continue. syria has been caught between the old way of doing things and the new way of doing things, no "easy answers" here.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By tank09 (Bornin69) on Tuesday, May 07, 2013 - 08:08 pm: Edit Post

i don't feel i have much mojo right now, so i figured i can quickly go through some sticky issues. these are the kind of things where if your not careful, you can get stuck for years.

education-good for kids to learn reading, writing and arithmetic. best for older kids to do the best they can and learn from any mistakes they make.
women-i love women and think they should be respected as equals.(for the most part) i can be a difficult man to deal with sometimes, so i am not a good example. not a good idea to try and control women or children for that matter.
no more sticky issues right now.


i am going to say this completes part 2. if you were not watching carefully, we scored a few posts back and now lead 1-0 in our game. if we were playing english soccer and were england, we might sit back on defense for the rest of the game and play it safe, only to have the other team score with a minute left to tie the game and then say something like "darn, chaps i thought we had this one. but we are americans born with a sense of adventure, so the only logical thing to do is to go furthur.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By tank09 (Bornin69) on Tuesday, May 07, 2013 - 08:29 pm: Edit Post

oh gosh, did i say something wrong. i feel as those i might have. what could have it been.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By tank09 (Bornin69) on Tuesday, May 07, 2013 - 08:33 pm: Edit Post

this is non-required reading.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By tank09 (Bornin69) on Tuesday, May 07, 2013 - 08:53 pm: Edit Post

i was brought up in a home and a school where women were equal. now that i am older, i have come up with my own values that are similar but they are also different. to me the issue of equality never comes up in my everyday thinking. but i know there a lot of women in america who are in controlling relationships and they bring up children in very controlling environments. every culture is different. in cultures where the idea of inequality or equality never come up, chances are it is healthy. but here in america the issue does get raised and we as a country have to decide whether its right having kids from controlling environments be in the same classroom as kids from non-controlled environments.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By tank09 (Bornin69) on Tuesday, May 07, 2013 - 09:14 pm: Edit Post

isssssss


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By tank09 (Bornin69) on Tuesday, May 07, 2013 - 10:18 pm: Edit Post

i will have an ending tomorrow, if i can get to it, or thursday. i think it should be a good ending and it will be a happy ending to this story as well.
no expectations, please.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By tank09 (Bornin69) on Wednesday, May 08, 2013 - 12:00 am: Edit Post

zzzzz


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By tank09 (Bornin69) on Wednesday, May 08, 2013 - 12:54 am: Edit Post

i have tried to leave politics out of it up to this point, but shucks, i just can't stay quiet any longer.
i have never met obama, but he seems to be a pleasant and agreeable person. i generally like people with these qualities. on the other hand, i don't like unpleasant and un-agreeable people as much. obama is very well educated and seems willing to listen to other ideas.

the republicans in congress seem to have been trying to turn us into a christian version of iran. they should at their earliest convenience, come out of their stupor and accept that science is real and is perfectly compatiable with religion. they should start backing the president before they are accused of being un-american.

the last people in the world the president should be listening to are the republicans that seemed to want to turn our country into a non-science believing, iranian like christian country where everything is controlled. is this fuckin clear enough.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By tank09 (Bornin69) on Wednesday, May 08, 2013 - 01:13 am: Edit Post

from,
a slightly controversial figure from the 80's.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By tank09 (Bornin69) on Wednesday, May 08, 2013 - 12:18 pm: Edit Post

i am not a scientist, but i have been around people who are scientist and mathematicians during my life.
science and math are real and have been accepted for centuries as being real.
why have we been having what seemed like a national debate for the past 15 years about evolution as being the most important thing in the world. i have read the book, on the origin of species. it is a very complicated book and even if a person understood it, it doesn't mean its true or you are required to believe it. whether the theory is right or wrong does not change the current issues we face today.

it is not reasonable for an american citizen today to not believe in science. just because a scientist says something does not mean its true either. a scientist is required to state a theory and then to prove it. let's take global warming- i have not read much of the details, but there seems to be a scientific consensus that something is happening called global warming. i think we should move beyond trying to prove its happening and now actually try to come up with some solutions, based on real science and math.

there is a difference between science and technology as well. scientist and mathematicians along with others, built nuclear weapons,a lot of them. whether it was a good idea or not, to even build one, the idea that we now have tons of these and more countries are trying to build them is not something we should accept as being normal.
we should really start to get in the mind set, that we need to start to disarm weapons and get other countries on board as well. who is going to do this disarming, scientist and mathematicians along with others. even if i wanted to disarm a weapon, i have no idea how to do it and it could take me years or forever if i tried.

the flooding of new orleans, the new york/new jersey hurricane, the japanese tsunami, to me these are all signs of something being out of balance.

we need to use science and math to come up with newer and cleaner technologies, while at the same time use science and math to get rid of the old technologies that are causing us problems like national disasters.

we need to stop building prisons and hospitals and start building a healthier society that is less punitive and less stressful.

lets look at new jersey for a moment. i believe it was given about 50 billion dollars in aid. it takes a long time to spend 50 billion dollars and chances are a large percentage of that money won't get to people who need it, but will be siphoned off by local officials and con men.


public money has to be spent more wisely and people have to take more personal responsibility to see that it is spent so that it actually does good. giving some con men 400 million dollars to build a solar plant, only to go bankrupt shortly after is not good policy. we need people who take this stuff more seriously to do the work and not con men out for a quick buck.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By tank09 (Bornin69) on Wednesday, May 08, 2013 - 01:20 pm: Edit Post

these floods and droughts and some other things are not natural disasters, they are unnatural disasters. if we continue with the way we have been doing things we will just be sitting back waiting for the next unnatural disaster that decimates a large area and then spend another 50-100billion so they can rebuild. this cannot be looked at as a cost-benifit analysis or a business decision.

we need a long-term plan(30 years or so) and take concrete steps now. like finding scientist and mathematicians who put science and math first, not politics or some other personal belief and armed with the idea that there is a problem and there is a solution, i think they can come up with some long-term plan of steps to take. if we find some good people it won't take that long to come up with something.

in the meantime, to occupy the people who have been screwed over the last 15 years or so, start a domestic program that focusing on the most in need and try to produce some constructive results.
i believe people are willing to do there parts as long as its not the same old bullshit being shoveled. all the classes, but the middle class with the most reasonable notions will probably play a large part. upper classes should want to chip in and do there part as well.

govt. programs will have to be realigned to this new way of seeing things. money will have to be juggled around, and other creative steps taken to work around any resistance. there really should not be any resistance, but if there is, it should be ignored.

we can't afford to listen to points of view that do not accept math and science.

math is not 100% certain,imo. science is not 100% certain,imo. art is not 100% certain. religion is not 100% certain,imo. grow up. but clearly some ideas are better than others and some beliefs are clearly not helpful as others.

technology has gotten a bit out of hand and a lot of egomaniacs who confuse there ego with god have built a lot of crappy shit and done a lot of crappy shit that is fuckin with our environment.
no more govt. money for these assholes.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By tank09 (Bornin69) on Wednesday, May 08, 2013 - 01:31 pm: Edit Post

what it looks like i'm saying is we should support obama and the administration because i think they are open to listening to reasonable ideas. we should try to get other people on board with supporting the obama administration as well. democrats have to take the lead and accept that we cannot get bogged down in the old washington bullshit and we need to work around the republicans in the short term if we have to. hopefully they will get on board,soon enough.
i feel the obama team is open to listen to ideas.
i really don't think people are as far apart on issues as the media or extremists or just plan nut jobs make it seem. everything i say is very reasonable and doable. there is no reason democrats and republicans can't work together if they put there country first, not there politics or personal beliefs or ego's first.

if this does not seem to work in the next couple of years, we then go to plan b.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By tank09 (Bornin69) on Wednesday, May 08, 2013 - 03:25 pm: Edit Post

now that wasn't such a chore, was it? i feel better for speaking up. whether anyone is listening and willing and able to do anything about it, is another matter. i am not in the results business. either way it is a happy ending. if people are willing and able to do something, great. i think this is the preferred route. i am not going anywhere, i will be around to help, if needed. if it seems too much to bother with, that's okay as well. i said my piece and either way i will continue to have a good time and a high time and a happy time, while trying to help others if i am able. but i no longer have to wonder why things are the way things are with respect to all the bullshit that has been slung around. it turns out the bush years, with all the neo-con assholes, was sort of like a mass-national delusion, not based on science or reason or art or reality, but some made up bullshit by a bunch of old fucking douchebags. but i am not angry anymore at anyone. people make mistakes, it won't be the last time.
there is plenty of blame to go around on everyside. let's try to get past it and move onl let's try to learn from our mistakes and not repeat them. now that i got that out of the way, i can hopefully end this thing here.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By tank09 (Bornin69) on Wednesday, May 08, 2013 - 03:39 pm: Edit Post

if you know anything about computers, they run on software. after a period of time, the software is out of date and does not work the same as when it was new. an update does not erase everything and start from scratch. if keeps the basic framework of what is there and just updates and fixes or replaces things that are out of date or don't work as well so the computer can run better.
this has partly been an update to a perspective of what is really going on with regards to current issues we face. some people may not want this update. others may only want part of it. the point is, it is available to do with whatever one wants. this is also a beta version, which means it still has mistakes and bugs and can be improved upon.
it also turns out i am a bit of a multi-tasker, so there are actually a few other things going on here, as well.

this transmission is now over. we are sorry for the interruption.
please go back to your regular scheduled programming.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By tank09 (Bornin69) on Thursday, May 09, 2013 - 01:24 pm: Edit Post

i forgot to mention something semi-important. if we want this era of peace to last we have to treat it as a gift and not take it for granted. those that treat this as a joke will have to be re-educated. this is now an era of real peace, not a half-measure peace. as such, the old way of doing things will not work well. at this time, according to my count we have most people on our side. the .06% percent have decided to join us, it turns out they are not as stupid or indifferent as they seem. they now see it is in there best interest to pitch in, as opposed to risk losing it all. there are still a few holdouts. some of these republicans are quite stiff and i wouldn't be surprised if someone else was pulling there strings, but they are still a bit resistant. the final holdout is the military industrial complex. we are now in an era of peace. peace is better and stronger than military solutions. peace is not greedy so all we want now is half the military budget to create a new industry called something like, peace industries. peace industries might have a few govt. officials in it, but the main purpose is to get money to private citizens who care about people and peace so they can build a better future for all. i don't have the details of how exactly this will look or work. the military still has a use, but its mission must be changed to reflect current realities and this era of peace. u cannot have an era of peace and be planning for and building weapons for the next war. this is a major point, we cannot get distracted by another war because we need to focus on no nukes, global warming, and rebuilding america one community at a time. what kind of things will this peace industries do- spread the message of peace and all the good things that come with it around america and eventually the whole world. it will focus on building decent housing,make sure people have decent food to eat, make sure people get a decent education, create jobs of all kinds, including a focus on entrepreneurs starting small businesses. it will also make sure the government stays out of people's day to day affairs as much as possible. it will also include a dept of ethics and morals, to make sure things are done right and well. half-measures will not work well. we have to stop living as if everything is a threat and accept that life comes with some uncertainty. why am i confident enough to say all these things. i have a secret weapon. this country has not had a decent peace for probably 20 years. this means most young people under 20 have never really experienced external peace. now that they have felt peace and how much better it is than what we have had the past 20 years, i am certain this will push us over the top and we can now demand more from our govt. officials. it is basically a forgone conclusion. you cannot have peace and war at the same time. you have to pick one. i have made my choice. i choose peace. there it is. this peace will not be gotten by force, it just must be accepted as a reality that is happening now. we scored again and we won the game of peace 2-0.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By tank09 (Bornin69) on Thursday, May 09, 2013 - 03:55 pm: Edit Post

the people can't force it, but the current administration can take action on the people's behalf and say no more to the war machine. some people have been living under the havoc the war machine has created for over the past 50 years. those days are over. the war machine has to take its place below peace. peace has the stronger and better hand now and now is the time to fund the peace machine with war machine money. out with the old way and in with the new way.
the same with the top .06% who hold onto too much of america's wealth and resources. the current administration must take action and start to claw back some of this wealth and spread it out domestically to the other classes.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Bob (Jamspace) on Thursday, May 09, 2013 - 06:06 pm: Edit Post

Just in case you haven't noticed, you're the only one posting in this thread for a week. No one is interested. Time to STFU and give it a rest.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Josiah Babcock (Josiahbabcock) on Thursday, May 09, 2013 - 10:29 pm: Edit Post

Here here! This is a SHOW REVIEW board. Let's keep it to THAT. Please. Take your political masturbation elsewhere.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Richard Butze (Rbutze) on Friday, May 10, 2013 - 08:08 am: Edit Post

Tank, a solid week of postings. You think that the current administration will listen to reasonable people? If you represent reasonable, NO ONE will listen as you can not state your ideas in a clear concise manner. NO ONE has listened. You appear to be a very frustrated individual seeking attention. You should also be aware that you could be drawing attention to yourself, as a person who needs to be "watched" which then means you could jeopardize this site and other well meaning folks on it. Your thoughts have gone beyond sharing and self centered. Seek help. AND STOP. Please.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Comic book colors on a violin river (Cumber~lyn) on Monday, June 03, 2013 - 10:29 pm: Edit Post

lol !!!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Chuckm (Cmonk4406) on Tuesday, July 09, 2013 - 03:48 pm: Edit Post

Ok, I think Tank has some serious issues to work out! Never saw so much non-show related ranting in one show's thread. WOW!! Electro-shock therapy only sounds scary Tank. lol


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By tank09 (Bornin69) on Tuesday, July 16, 2013 - 02:32 pm: Edit Post

greetings,
i had not planned on saying anything until after the acid test was graded. there seems to be a bit skepticism with regards to an average student getting a 100% on an acid test. (most students take either a pass or fail). i think they are looking into possible cheating. i stand by my answers not yet taken. enough about the acid test.


ps. i am not a micro manager, as long as things follow more or less certain parameters.
justice has to start somewhere. i do not think snowden has committed a crime. all charges should be dropped against him as a matter of justice. the info he leaked has been a good thing for america.
zimmerman took justice into his own hands and killed a 17 year old , he was guilty of something, but the jury has spoken.
this is a great opportunity for obama to announce (this is a sketch) the rebuilding of america for all people, apologize to people of color and poor people who have been scapgoated for too long. he can also acknowledge the great strides america has made with regards to race and poverty. announce some public/private funds/program tbd at a later date and not include too many specifics, since this will be worked out later. justice has to start somewhere and it makes sense to me to start here to avoid social unrest. i feel people want some sort of amends here.

it is important to know if the feds will be on the side of justice, before moving on to the state and local levels, where tons of bullshit will have to be cut through.
after this we will turn our attention to the middle class, where most people reside.

btw,

i am willing to work with obama's team as a paid advisor if they are serious about the change they campaigned on. alot more bullshit has to be cut through and it will probably take some coordination. thanks to snowden i can save a couple bucks on a fax and team obama can consider this my resume and get in touch.

pss. more details to follow at a later date.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By tank09 (Bornin69) on Friday, July 19, 2013 - 03:25 pm: Edit Post

to be cont. under 2013-04-25


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By carthorse (Bornin69) on Sunday, October 13, 2013 - 02:41 pm: Edit Post

wreck of the john b - jimmie rodgers

sorry for posting on pz and sorry for only focusing on one thing at a time.
i'm fairly certain the republicans are "missing the boat" on this one.
a couple of quick points:

they are in no position to negotiate for anything. they will never get there way on this.
if they decide to get in line with the pres and dems, they have a shot at getting
some of the things they "supposedly" care about, like fiscal responsibility, but not
at the expense of "the people" who are already being "squeezed". things have become
unnecessarily punitive for "the people" at "the bottom" and "the middle", due to many things,
one of which is a lack of a "cooperative spirit". united we stand, divided we fall. it has
already been decided we are going to rally around the pres and the dems, to unite the country, for the good of all, "theoretically speaking".

if the republicans don't accept this, then the other option is default.
this works for me, but i'm not sure how this will work for other "people".
i feel/think/believe things have become so tangled we may need a fresh start.
lets declare bankruptcy and wipe out all debts and start with a clean slate. i mean on the world level as well; get rid of all debts to every country and every person. we bring it
down to it's foundation and rebuild starting with land reform and wealth distribution.
sure, the people at he top with the most to lose will feel they are getting "screwed", but
most people will benefit.

what is the way forward? i'm doing the republicans a favor here. they ought to stop being so
negative and arrogant and stop listening to the "wacky tea party". things are changing
and they ought to accept this and get on board with it. there is no stopping this, the cat
has been let out of the bag. it is just a matter of how well and orderly things happen.
we have to do a better job of building and managing good and decent communities; and building and managing a healthy economy. we the people have to stop the egomaniac and
corrupt and controlling local, state and national figures from disfiguring our american dream.


is america a teardown country?(do we take it down to its foundation and start fresh).
or can america be remodeled? (do we take an inventory and keep what works well and fix what needs to be fixed and get rid of what doesn't work well).
america is going through some changes in direction- we now have peace and justice as a couple of our ideals to move toward.

the us govt ought not negotiate with terrorist(ie. republicans).
the republicans are standing in quicksand. they can either try to drag the rest of us down
with them(they will fail,btw) or they can decide to stand with us on firmer ground.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By carthorse (Bornin69) on Tuesday, October 15, 2013 - 11:13 am: Edit Post

i just remembered something important.
we need to raise taxes on the rich, before any deal is reached. this is a deal breaker.
the rich need to pay closer to 35% and not 15% like they are able to do now.
america cannot be a ponzi scheme or a tax haven. no other industrial country has
rates this low.
other democrats must know better than me, the tax changes that we need.
the time to change this is now.
everything else can be dealt with after this. there is no point in a debt deal without a
tax increase and tax changes.
we need new revenue now and we cannot wait.
the republicans may not like this, but these tax cuts have gone on for 10 years and
ought to end now.

no debt deal without tax increase. hopefully, the
prez and dems see things this way, as well.
all other negotiations ought to be dealt with
after a deal is reached.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By carthorse (Bornin69) on Tuesday, October 15, 2013 - 05:36 pm: Edit Post

just think, if the republicans (and democrats for that matter) had listened to the president
or read the papers, they would have not tried to negotiate over the debt ceiling and
we could have avoided a default. it is now to late to come up with a deal before thursday,
and since i remembered the rich are not paying their fair share and have not yet accepted
we are all in this together, our demands have now changed.

a tax increase and a closing of some tax loopholes is now mandatory. nowhere in the world
today, do the rich get a 15% tax rate. this crime/travesty must end now. the rich must pay
closer to 35%. 35% of something is better than 15% of nothing. not all of our problems are
related to money, but the people at the bottom and the middle are being squeezed partly
due to this. we need new revenue now to get some relief to the bottom and middle classes, as well as to start rebuilding america.
everyone has to start accepting we are in this together and we have to learn from our
mistakes and start making better decisions that affect us all.

the elites and republicans are no longer running the show. the people have now spoken
and our leaders who serve the people are now expected to act accordingly.

the president ought now inform the people, the congress and the senate that the only debt bill he will sign must include a tax increase/closing of tax loopholes and nothing else.
how america spends it money will be decided by the people and congress after this is taken care of.
i don't see any other way of getting the republicans to raise taxes other than this way.

the other issue which might best be dealt with now, is campaign finance reform. it's possible
this could be left for another day, but maybe not.
congress and the senate should outlaw all campaign contributions on the federal and state level. we should have modest public financed campaigns. there are plenty of able bodied,
educated citizens to choose from, that ought to be able to do better than what we
have witnessed the last 10 years. we need people who feel we are in this together and will
work for everyone and the common good, so the people can be left to live a life of liberty to pursue happiness.

i feel/think/believe the republicans will accept this once the reality of default hits home.
nobody knows for sure what will happen in default, but remember the republicans brought us here. there is nothing furthtur to discuss or negotiate at this point. worst case scenario is all
debts are wiped away and all the paper the wealthy hold will be worthless. so most people
will benefit.

i feel/think/believe this is the way foward. the pres and the dems and the people must
stand united and once the republicans accept a 35% tax rate on the rich, which is the norm in the world and reasonable, we will unite with them as well.
we want justice and we want it now.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Chuckm (Cmonk4406) on Wednesday, October 16, 2013 - 09:12 am: Edit Post

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Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By carthorse (Bornin69) on Friday, October 18, 2013 - 03:13 pm: Edit Post

i agree with the president's assessment that there was no reason for the debt crises from
our point of view, but apparently the republicans thought it was necessary and they fucked
up, but at least now the republicans will listen to and go along with us, as opposed to the tea party, whose true colors were shown and rejected for now. the democratic party has been
around a long time and we have stumbled and made mistakes in the past, but we are back
and ready to roll.

we won! john b did the honorable thing and admitted defeat, he said"they fought the good
fight and lost", hence, we won.

but being good democrats we want proof. once the following conditions are
met, the proof we need will be satisfied.

i thought president obama laid out a very nice course of action. i just wanted to add
a couple things. i know president obama didn't refer to the outcome as a win in an interview, but in washington d.c. this is a win and for democrats a win matters. even though president obama won the election, he is a democrat, and party comes first. democrats aren't called the tax and spend party for no reason. the only difference this time, is we are going to spend at least some of the money more wisely.

1)a tax increase to 35% for the top rate on all income, no 15% or 20% tax rates. with a min.
tax of 30% even with deductions.( we are really not raising taxes with this one, btw, just getting
rid of tax cuts that never worked as intended for the country.)
close tax loopholes for corporations, etc. that don't work.
**note** no one else speaks for me. unless either the republicans or democrats personally speak with me about how to spend money more wisely, i don't take responsibility if the democrats fuck it up. the pres and the speaker need to trust each other enough, so that when the speaker gets the revenue, the democrats don't spend it all on big projects run by political insiders which wind up bankrupt. my jobs bill is geared towards men and women who are willing and able to work and individuals who have education and skills and strengths including artist types, but have not yet been utilized, geared toward middle class jobs(but everyone is welcome-even the well off) as well as lower income or lower skilled, who will rebuild and strengthen our local communities. either way, we need more revenue and i trust president obama enough to let him decide which way to go.

2)congress should take up the farm bill and the immigration bill and after debate, ought
to pass both of them in some form as soon as possible, no later than dec. 21, 2013.
i have some concern about the immigration bill, but i believe america can add another
11 million people, already here, over the next 15 years. i think we ought to pass something
and the senate has already passed this, i'm no expert, but i think it's probably okay.
farm bill seems okay. the republicans need to show they can pass a bill and stop being the
do nothing party.

3)come up with some sort of budget and debt ceiling plan before their due dates.

4) i would like to see a jobs bill as well. this will be a different type of job bill. with this bill
we are going to keep an eye on how its spent, and it will be paid out more on a month to month basis, to make sure we are getting results. the democrats have to show they are capable of doing the footwork to get some results. personally, i think we need to try some
of the tried and true methods as well as new ideas. let's get the tax increase and closing of loopholes money passed as soon as possible, so we will have the money by april 2014 and
we can spend some time coming up with ways to spend the money domestically. once we know the money is going to be available, we can finalize ideas on how to spend it. it is very
important democrats don't fuck this up.

an economy is a cycle and money should circulate from bottom up to the middle up to the top
and then down to the middle and then down to the bottom and then up to the middle and then
up to the top and repeat. right now the top is just vacuuming money out of the economy
and not circulating it and surprise , the economy is sputtering.

i know lot of people are struggling and i'm concerned they might not have a merry christmas, if something is not done soon. by passing the tax increase soon, we can make sure the law is changed dec 31, 2013/ jan 1, 2014 and the money will start rollling by april 15, 2014.
we set the job bill to start on april 1, 2014 or sooner, if possible. this will get people on focused on something else, besides all these issues, and everyone will be happier.

i'm excited about the affordable care act. i think the people ought to start getting behind this.
this will be good for our country. everyone ought to have access to healthcare including
preventive care. we need to get people to take some responsibility for their health, and
providing decent care is part of this. people ought to stop listening to the lies and distortions
and just sign up and not worry about it. people should stop referring to this as "obamacare"
and start referring to this as the affordable care act, imo. affordable healthcare has been
a democratic goal for along time, this is not a new idea, and will in the long term lead to a better cost/benefit ratio for healthcare.

we can't do nothing, so until we try some things and come up with better ideas later, we go
with what's on the table. this is an ongoing process that has been difficult to get going, but
given some time, i think we will get a better handle on things and see that it will work and
we can tweak at as we see fit.

note- people should remember, president obama won 53% of the popular vote which is
70 million people, not counting those under 18 years old or those who did not vote. when you mess with the democratic party, you are messing with more than 100 million people. when you add in the grand old party republicans, you are talking about close to 200 million people.
we do not have to fear the tea party or listen to them.

hopefully, i am signing off until next year, while the democrats and the republicans cooperate.
if not, i will be back, sooner.
i can be reached through email, if needed.

*optional*

i looked at the farm bill and it seems like something the republican house should be able to pass with little complaint. personally, i would like to see a bill decriminalizing cannabis attached to it.
a) cannabis is a plant or herb, thus it falls somewhat under farming.
b) we ought to legalize all the pot smokers in america, before we legalize immigrants.
c) we need to differentiate marijuana from hard drugs, like cocaine and heroin/opiates.
cocaine and heroin/opiates have much more risks and downsides. we need to be honest
with people, especially younger people. we need to discourage young people from excessive
drinking or pot smoking and let them know these carry risks as well and they are not
for everyone. there is nothing wrong with abstinence or experimentation or moderate use,
but abuse of these does cause problems for society. we need to get the message out
there that abuse of cocaine and heroin/opiates for most will lead to problems and these substances ought to be avoided as much as possible by younger people. i am not interested in looking at any of the exceptions, but stating as a general rule cocaine and heroin/opiates lead to problems and most people would benefit by avoiding these.
having said all this, i believe people should have access to opiate pain medication. opiates, as far as i know, are still the best option for people in pain, and if used as directed,
can be used safely. we should keep opiates available for doctors to prescribe, but
put in a national database to track these prescriptions and put a personal limit on the amounts.
a junkies well being should not be our priority, but we still have to try and treat these people
humanely, whether that means jail or rehab or a support group, is up to them, if they can't function in civil society.
the best thing is for people to avoid messing around with these, as much as possible and search for a more meaningful happiness.
i believe, if our country has a cocaine/herion/opiate problem, we can deal with this humanely by cutting down on demand, and without resorting to another war on drugs.
my personally feeling is, if young people decide to drink or use weed, they should keep it
occasionally or very moderate, and a lot of them would benefit by avoiding it.
my personally feeling is, all or most people would benefit by avoiding cocaine and herion.
so legalizing cannabis, on the grounds that many americans already consume it, and will continue to consume it, plus it is a much better option than cocaine and heroin.
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Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By carthorse (Bornin69) on Monday, October 21, 2013 - 12:10 am: Edit Post

it would be so nice if some moderate republicans would work with us.
the only group behind the republicans(not including the tea party) right now is the chamber of commerce. we're trying to put across the message we are on their side. as soon as they cooperate with us and raise taxes(there will be no opposition from large corporations and the top 0.5% - the corps and top 0.5 understand why we need more revenue.) we can jumpstart the economy and for everyone's welfare this should be done now before christmas.

*an option*
even though the democrats will get their tax increase one way or the other, we need it sooner rather than later. even though we don't need to negotiate with the republicans, why not offer them a deal(this is solely at the discretion of pres. obama.) if the republicans will raise taxes immediately without a fight, we will delay a part or two of obamacare for 1 year, to give the republicans a victory of sorts. this will give the people who are caught up in hysterics time to come to some acceptance that these changes and more are coming and they will be for the better and it is not the end of the world. continue offering individuals the option of signing up for low cost-subsidized healtcare and maybe delay the part for businesses. maybe make the first year optional without fines. again, i support obamacare so these are just ideas. once the economy improves next year, businesses will have less to complain about. the republicans have to realize they have about a 1% chance of winning the 2016 presidential election because the democrats agenda is working and will work even better once my plan is implemented.

it would be so nice if we could simplify somethings like taxes, without a fight.
why not lower all the tax rates 5 points and get rid of all deductions and tax loopholes, etc.
let's go to a flat tax rate and stop making these things so complicated.

the cost of living has gone up so much for regular folks in america. rents and mortages, federal, state and local taxes, dmv fees, fines and tickets, gas, electricity, etc. have taken such a bite out of family budgets, there is a lot less left for other things. this has squeezed regular folks and then they see the govt. and large corporations and connect the dots and see these things are related. . america can't expect the top 0.5% or large corporations to do the right thing if they are not obligated to do it. but, we can demand they pay their fair share of taxes. i feel they have legally? underpaid there taxes due to govt. mistakes and now we need the full 35% with no deductions or loopholes.



capitalism has been around a lot longer than any of us. america created an environment which encouraged entrepreneurs and gave them the freedom they needed to start a business or such and strike it rich. the only thing are govt. asked of them was to pay there fair share of taxes to preserve the environment for capitalism to continue to exist. but greed and excess and business and govt. corruption and influence have harmed the environment for
capitalism to thrive and hurt many in the process. the first step to correct the environment for capitalism to thrive once again is to make sure the top 0.5 of individuals and large corporations pay there fair share, which ought to be 35% with no deductions or loopholes.
not everyone in america is going to be a billionaire, but every citizen in america lives under a capitalist system and is part of the environment that makes capitalism possible and
therefore it is important that they share in the wealth of america as much as possible.
making sure the top 0.5% of individuals and large corporations pay their taxes, so part of their
success can be spread around benefits everyone.

my feeling is the top 0.5% of individuals and the largest corporations are paying much less
than 35%. let's pass some tax increases and close loopholes and deductions and make sure
they are paying their 35%. that's all we want and as long as they do, they should be free
to live their lives as they see fit and other people should stop bothering them or blaming them
for america's problems, once they start paying their fair share, if they are not already. i
know their are plenty of decent people with wealth and plenty of decent companies. i can now say, i'm fairly certain most of the smart money is behind the democrats. were not greedy and
were not looking to interfere with business or people's lives. we're making sure people and businesses are paying their fair share and as long as they don't mess with us, we won't mess
with them.



freedom does not mean any individual or business be allowed to do whatever it wants.
wall street should not be able to do whatever it wants. we have to make sure no more madoff
ponzi schemes or mortage meltdowns or bubbles are allowed free reign.

the democrats may need more money for social services and least in the short term.


sketch of a jobs program- which, if done in a certain prescribed way, will be just what america
and our economy needs in the short term and the long term. if we can announce something
before christmas, all the better, the sooner the better, really. we can jumpstart the economy and give the people the stability they need.
2 jobs programs- one traditional democratic jobs program done thoughtfully but quickly.
and then one job program run by me in a traditional and a non- traditional way.
my part of the job program needs a little more leeway with regards toward rules on the lower level/ street level, but the money will be spent wisely.
this needs to be a joint federal govt. program with an office in each state.
so we need a typical washington head office type of person with some support staff.
then each state needs an official type of person with a support staff.
then under that staff is another staff for regions.
then under them will be the people with determining where money ought to be spent and making sure it is showing results and the money may or maynot be given out by filling out forms or paperwork, it might be given out based on the possibility of showing results or at least willing to work on it on a month to month basis. results in certain art and science are
sometimes harder to quantify by numbers, which is why we need to use different criteria.

areas of concern and goals of jobs program.
jobs program(arts and science jobs, jobs for people with certain skills, jobs to rebuild
communities, jobs for people doing charity work, preservation society jobs, etc).
basically, unless we really want to create a peace program as a cabinet level program,
i think it might be better to fold the peace program into the jobs program and maybe run it
as a branch of the homeland security program.
goals-
a) to jumpstart the economy.
b) to smoothly over a period of time, transition the economy into a healthy economy.
c) to oversee our national effort to combat global warming and work with other nations cooperatively to come up with a sustainable course of action. this entails coming up with a team to oversee govts. progress and making sure it stays on course.
d) to oversee efforts to avoid violent conflicts in world affairs leading to a more peaceful
approach and eventual goal of disarmament.
e) remembering this is a 30 year plan with an approximate 3 -5 smooth transistion period.
f) more tbd at a later date.
g)
i figure my part of the job program should be 30 billion dollars annually for 3 to 5 years.
the democrats part should be (30 billion ?) i will let them decide on their figure, because without being in the loop, its hard to say.

i did wonder to myself whether i am serious when i say i want to be a part of a jobs program.
the answer is yes, i would want to be a part of the program, since i do think, if done
right it is just what we/america need. of course i would have to be given leeway with regards to how i do things. i ought to mention nothing i write should be taken as a demand or telling other people what to do. i am just sharing some thoughts on what i think needs to be done
to stay on course and even though i have a sense of humor, i am very serious about
certain things. i have a somewhat flexible schedule and i am willing to put the time necessary
into this, to make it work.

i wish i could get some sort of down payment or other type of payment. it would really help to facilitate this mostly theoretical plan of action into the actually reality of action, which is what we need to happen as soon as possible. we need our traditional govt. to continue going about its business as it sees fit, but it needs to cooperate a little quicker than govt. normally acts, on this matter and get some funds for this jobs program.

i would like to wish g w bush well as well as his father g h bush well. they both served our country and deserve our respect. a bit of trivia(it is quite possible i voted for g h bush in 1987 when i was 18. i can't remember 4 sure. i was kind of an open-minded democrat who didn't know much. i know i had some good fun back then for a couple years at least. g w served through some good times and some tough times and got us through.
please remember this was just a little story done for my own reasons and was not meant to
be a personal attack on any person or any group of people or to place blame on any person
or group of people. i believe forgiveness is important to move on with one's life if one is stuck.
forgiving oneself and others.

the word on the street- the only thing that's going to appease the people is a good "pork" dinner.
if you're hearing anything else, you're misreading what they are really saying.
let's pass that tax increase and closing of the loopholes so all the top 0.5% and all the top corportations pay a flat 35% tax: no deductions, no incentives, no credits, no nothing but an across the board 35% no questions asked tax.
let's pass this tax increase and closing of loopholes this week.
president obama may have to make the first move.


pipe dream - a hope, wish, or dream that is impossible to achieve or not practical
all i need is a 30 billion check delivered or deposited in the jobs program account.
seriously, i would take a govt. or a contractors salary to serve my country in this capacity.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By carthorse (Bornin69) on Monday, October 21, 2013 - 01:25 am: Edit Post

where else but in america could a person go from having $5 in their pocket, to the top 0.5% in one day. that would be if i asked for a 0.5% cut of the jobs program for my salary.
and i would be ripping the govt. off to do it.
all kidding aside, the govt. would actually be getting a good deal. i could be paid much more if
i worked in the private sector.
i'm just wondering how much is the right amount of money to be paid if this job existed.
these things are important, what if this thing turns bad, i don't want to be the one left holding the bag.
lets get it all out in the open so there is no misunderstanding at a later date if things go wrong.
totally kidding.
so we have a govt. salary, a contractors salary, and a 0.5% cut of the jobs program.
with very little reflection i would guess a contractors salary would work best for me personally.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By carthorse (Bornin69) on Monday, October 21, 2013 - 01:43 am: Edit Post

is congress going to take the monday off? do they think the world has not been watching them and what has been going on. everybody wants this passed.
the top 0.5% and large corportations will thank you.
they have been underpaying and even though it will work, if it doesn't they can fight it in a few years.
increasing taxes will work on all fronts. and is
actually not controversial, but out of step in the world economy.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By carthorse (Bornin69) on Tuesday, October 22, 2013 - 01:26 am: Edit Post

we will possible have to make the tax somewhat retroactive. these companies were taxed 35% but through loopholes and deductions paid less than 35%. we helped them then, now they need to help us. they made record profits and now the country is in 17 trillion dollars debt and regular folk are being squeezed. so we still need to do the 35% tax from now on, but will also may need to do a second bill to get back the past 3-5years. so if a corporation paid a tax rate of 15% instead of a true 35%, we need to get back the 20% they didn't pay for a period of probably the last 3-5 years. i haven't run the numbers. the govt has to figure out how much
more of a tax increase the govt. needs come april 15, 2014. i know i need 30 billion for my jobs program. the democrats need at least 30 billion or possible more for their job program.
plus we pass a farm and immigration bill , we could pass just these this year and any extra revenue goes toward paying down the debt. we know these top companies and others and the profits they made and we know the taxes they paid. these are public records. so we have
to find out what is a fair share. we should go to these companies and share our concerns with them and try to get a voluntary settlement out of them to avoid the retroactive tax. share with them the new tax increase and closing of the loopholes bill that will be passed, the true flat rate 35% tax. and wish them a good day and let them spend there 65% leftover any legal way they want. i will share a concern. even though we should raise the top rate for individuals
to 35%, i am not certain we should go after back taxes. maybe maybe not.


a corporation is not a person. an individual is a person. an individual has to be treated differently than a corporation. we have to make a distinction between an individual and a corporation.


we've only just begun- the carpenters

not looking to pile it on.
all we want is for john b to let go of controlling the house.

i want a "pork" taco, i want roast "pork", i want "pork" chops, heck i want a swimming pool
full of bar-b-que sauce and "pork" baby back ribs. i want to grease up and get a little dirty.
let's have some serious fun- good, clean, wholesome american fun.

we aren't looking for payback. one of the problems with the last administration is it went to
far to the right. we aren't looking to make the same mistake and go to far to the left. but,
before we do anything else we need to go to the left for at least 3-5 years to correct some
of the problems of going to far to the right. this is where domestic spending comes into play.
after this correction we should be able to moderate again.

just to be clear, none of the money in the jobs program is "pork". it is necessary domestic spending on things that are important, which will benefit everyone.
the jobs program will not be a secret program, but it will be a low-key program. it will have oversight, but it will have it's own set of rules.
i think the jobs program is where i can do the most good.
right now our commander in chief is a democrat and people have to accept democrats have a different vision of what course we ought to take and this is the course we are taking. democrats have to realize we are the ones who are managing things now and we have to start taking this responsibility seriously.
remembering we are managing things for all americans, rich and poor, democrat and republican, man and women and child, young and old, and everyone in between. once we get the funding we need, we can really get down to putting in the footwork.

once the govt. starts functioning properly, people can go back to minding there own business
and proceed to live their lives more or less however they wish. businesses can go back
to minding there business and stop interfering in the govt. the economy is important and once
business realize all the govt. more or less wants is it's 35% they will have the certaintly they need to know what is expected of them. once the people see govt. is listening to there concerns and taking action to correct these concerns they will be given what they need to get back to focusing on there own lives and they will have the confidence they need to spend freely.

an oath of office to congress trumps a tax pledge. a tax pledge don't mean shit.


we can sign an agreement with russia to send some of our corrupt congressman to siberia.
or we can label our corrupt congressman terrorist and send them to Guantanamo bay and have them waterboarded to have them admit who is corrupting them.


we want an up or down vote in congress and the senate on the tax issue and other bills in front of congress. the time of obstruction and maneuvers and waiting is over.

am i missing something? i can't imagine anyone being behind these republicans anymore.
are the democrats not being assertive enough? does govt. think we are going to
let go of fixing this injustice? everyone with some skin in the game, has to realize until we get
our 35%, we are going to grind it out on a daily basis. do they question our character or our resolve?


my suspicion is large corporations like exxon-mobil, walmart, apple, mcdonalds, goldman-sachs, real estate rental companies and all other corporations are not paying there 35%. they start off at 35% and then start with the deductions and loopholes and expansion costs and write-offs. this is bad for the people and bad for the govt. they need to pay a true flatrate 35% tax and then let the corporations use the 65% leftover for whatever they want. no more tax deals between corporations and congress. as an aside, business should not be allowed to make deals with states or local govts. as well. as an example, walmart(btw, i go to walmart every once in a while, i just question the benefits to the public over some of their business practices) wants to open a new store in a state. local govts. then pee themselves and offer whatever they need to, to get the walmart store. walmart gets sweetheart deals and then to make up the difference local govt. nickel and dime everyone else, use the police to raise money, and go after small businesses.

my suspicion is boehner and cantor are putting these corporations interest before the people of the united states of america by not allowing an up or down democratic vote. the american people as well as myself have a very short memory and we are willing to forgive and forget
as long as they do the right thing. we don't think republicans are bad people, they are serving their country and working hard, but they are not perfect and do make mistakes. we have made our case and the republicans have admitted defeat. stop trying to control things that are out of your control and allow the votes to take place and lets start putting aside our differences and start working together for our own sake as well as for the american people.
i like having checks and balances. we have listened to the tea party and the republicans and appreciate their input, but in a democracy majority rules and the democrats are now in the majority. i am willing to believe john b did what he did for the good of the country. he stood up for what he believes in and made a stand. and it did make things more clearer as to what the problem and what the solutions are. it really put into focus we need more revenue and where to get that revenue from. its not like democrats have all the answer, but we have some
good ideas and we have a lot of hard working people willing to put the footwork in to be successful. plus we will keep america safe and we will work to keep other countries from resorting to violence(which never works as intended) to solve disputes.

worst case scenario-my endgame strategy is simple if we have no resolution before
feb.7th. we wrap the tax increase and closing of loophole bill around the debt ceiling increase and veto any deal which does not include the tax bill.
without more revenue, there is no reason not to default on our debt and we are tired of playing games with obstructionists and manipulators. we can't work for peanuts and solve
these solvable problems with our hands tied. anyone with any sense understands this.
i am trying to avoid any ugly scenes between the full weight of the govt. and these obstructionist. if the full 35% tax is voted upon sooner rather than later, i'm hopefully
we can avoid going after corporations and individuals and putting them in jail or clawing back
funds.

as i see it, we are drawing nearer to a resolution so now might be the right time for a little reflection.

question: the reason i started posting these post was/is?
a) i needed quick money for beer and pot.
b)i wanted to see a true flat rate tax of 35% on corporations and the top 0.5% of individuals.
c)i saw the govt. on a bad course and in denial about serious issues including our economic
environment and our natural environment.
d) all of the above
e)none of the above

come on people, this is going to be on the test.
if you think you know the answer please send your answer along with $5 to cover the cost of beer and pot while i grade your answer.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Chuckm (Cmonk4406) on Tuesday, October 22, 2013 - 01:33 pm: Edit Post

And the answer is....e) None of the above. Why you ask? Why would so much time about a political issue be in a show review thread? Just wonderin'.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By carthorse (Bornin69) on Wednesday, October 23, 2013 - 04:01 am: Edit Post

good answer, but without a payment i can't grade it or answer it.

i guess a large part of the job i would mainly be doing while running the job program is the global warming part.
i would basically be in charge of studying the problem and then coming up with the solution and then present it to the president and some sort of global warming committee. they would then decide if that is the way they want to proceed. many others have done some footwork on the issue and other related issue and will continue, but what's missing is the big picture.
it turns it out, the only reason i wrote the first plan out was to sell if i could sell this second plan to the govt.

what we need is a big picture kind of guy who sees the big picture and then manages all
the different parts to make sure they all cooperate and are working toward a common goal.
lets say the democrats represent science and technology.
lets say the republicans represent faith.
neither of these alone or together represent the whole picture.
we are going to call the third part, the jobs program, and that will represent art.
without the third part, art, all solutions will fail.
art is the part that is going to get the parts working together in the short term and then art will be the glue that keeps us together for the long term.


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you have to understand, i do things in my own way. and i don't always do it the easy way.
for whomever in congress is holding up this tax bill, it will get worse before it gets better.
do you want more pain or are you ready for the healing to begin.

we need to get a congresswomen/man and a senate women/man to write up this tax bill and
this job program.

update on jobs program. we have a good sketch of the jobs program, but maybe we
need to fill in a couple gaps.
this is a program funded by the federal govt. to work with local communities that are either under served or served and lacking funds for the basics and invest some time and money because we are confident it will pay off in the short- term and the long-term.
or
a community that is under served or served but lacking funds for things with intrinsic value like art and music.
we get them the funds they need so they can fully appreciate the arts. we work with local communities and invest some money and time. we are confident this will pay off in the short-term and the long-term.


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president obama may already know this. no one takes any responsibility for the hard decisions in america. i will take the responsibility for the jobs program bill being a success, if i run it, since i know it will work. when the tax increase is done, if it is done in the tough but fair way i prescribed then, yes i will take responsibility for that one as well since i know that one will work as well, but if it is not done in a tough but fair way and turns into something else, then no, i will not take any responsibility for it. i'm trying to keep it simple. if the president has a better plan or someone else has a better plan, let me know.

to receive the full benefit, my way has to include the jobs bill. i would get it done. i'm not usually confused with someone who likes to wait.
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we should have a pow wow of just the big wigs. my job title within the jobs program will
be the manager. so the manager would be there. the president would be there. the speaker would be there. the leader would be there. the minority leaders would be there. it comes down to just these few people to make this decision.
we should keep the actually meeting on the down low.
btw, i would be willing to serve as the manager for a 3-5 year term. see, the democrats are 99% guaranteed to win the 2016 election. which means the democrats will be setting the course for the next 7 years. that's a lot to chew on, i know, but facts are facts, and sometimes hard to deny. we have 3 years til the next pres. election. if this seemed like a good time to leave, then i would. if it seemed like i could still do some good, i would stay till 2018. the point is i would leave govt. service no matter what in 2018. the republicans have no choice, but to learn to accept change. and if they change with the times, they will have a shot of winning in 2020. i


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By carthorse (Bornin69) on Thursday, October 24, 2013 - 01:28 am: Edit Post

once the big wigs get together or the six nations get together(if you prefer) i know we can hash it out and start signing bills.
my jobs program is mandatory if we want this to be successful.
the only thing which is going to mollify the people is the jobs program and at this point, it doesn't matter where the funds come from. whether the govt. wants to juggle some accounts and move funds around is fine. the tax increase is coming, but if the govt. needs more time
to do it right so be it. the jobs program must be signed this year and funded this year if possible or early next year at the latest. no more waiting or stalling. we need action now.
we need to get some money to some people who have some long range plans. we have no choice but to make some tough decisions from now on. we need people who not only understand things like implications and outcomes, but are capable of achieving desirable outcomes long-term.


times are tough. we have a 17 trillion dollar debt. the oil companies have been taking in record profits and cheating uncle sam out of his share. we need to levy a special tax on the oil industry. we need to levy a 100 billion dollar special tax on the oil industry. the oil under america is america's oil. the oil companies are large corporations whose job is getting the oil out of the ground and into our cars and homes and other uses. its really been a grand industry, but there have been costs that the industry has decided are the govt. costs and not there costs. they have been shifting there costs onto the govt unfairly. this levy is in addition to collecting a full 35% from now on and in my view, retroactively for past 3-5 years. in addition to this, we collect an additional special levy of ballpark $100 billion. let's say exxon mobil made a $100 billion dollar profit over the 3 year period of 2008,2009,2010. that means uncle sam should have gotten at least 35% or 35 billion dollars. what is the difference between what they paid in 2008,2009,2010 and 35 billion? the answer is the difference is the minimum i want the govt to get from exxon-mobil for back taxes in a special levy. i want this to appy to all the oil companies. not trying to be too hard on the oil industry. we need the money more than they do, plus it's our's. they will continue to make plenty more money, but they will also continue from now on to pay our 35%. if your curious, no pipeline right now. we are moving way to fast on that one. we are not there yet. we can wait at least 3 years on that one. we need to study it more, seriously. i think its partly crazy to risk underground water to contamination from fracking. no arctic drilling either, at least for a while. again, i just don't think were there yet. although i think shell has at least temporarily pulled the plug on it for a while. so, with no fracking, no pipeline and no arctic drilling the oil companies have nothing
to spend there profits on. i think if we have this conversation with them, they would be willing to settle this matter very quickly. the govt. is allowed to levy taxes. this is for democrats and republicans. we are all here for the long term, but we also have to make some decisions in the short term.


this is an example of what i think has been a problem in govt. for a long time. the lobbyists working for large corporations and a few private individuals have been writing all the bills of our country for so long, no one in congress or the senate may actually know how to write a bill. the lobbyists have also basically been telling the senators and congressman how to vote on most everything. this tax increase and closing of the loopholes so certain individuals and large corporations pay 35% instead of a 15% is a no brainer. our govt. needs to set its own policy. govt. policy and private business do not share the same goals. this is where we find out who in the congress and the senate is corrupt. supporting this tax bill is good for the country and a good way for the congress and the senate to tell the people, who exactly is calling the shots. is it large corporations and a few private individuals who employ lobbyist who tell our congressman and senators which way to vote. or are the newly baptized senators and congressman, who from now on realize it's bad govt. policy to accept money from someone whose goal is to get them to vote their way, which is not always a good way. even though the people like the job the democrats are doing, especially lately, we need to gain some trust back. we need to be sure the democrats are in fact on the people sides, or are they still trying to tow the very tricky line between the people and big business. its like the people aren't
quite getting why is this so complicated. i think the lobbyist have been running away from the hill in droves lately and now there is no one left to tell the congressman and senators what to do. maybe some have seen this coming, maybe some haven't and they were not prepared.
were saying that's okay. we are here to help. if congress and the senate and the president work the tax bill through the process and vote whatever way they decide, keeping in mind all the current/very recent developments, we will consider them innocent of the charges before them. but if they continue to be influenced by big business and the like, we will consider them guilty of the charges before them.
i don't relish any of this, ya know. i crunched the numbers and this is the only way, ya know.


# it's a brave new world with the affordable care act, commonly referred to obamacare, here.
i'm kind of kidding here. some people seem to be in hysterics over this. i honestly don't understand why.

some goals.

for any equation to be successful we need to remember to put the people first.
this does not mean we don't need a strong govt. our govt. has the responsibility of protecting
and deciding on the future of our nuclear warheads, among other things, and for this reason alone, we don't want a weak govt. we want a stronger and better govt. that serves the need of its citizens better.

our govt. has to do an inventory. we need to know if our govt. spending is too much, or too little, or just right. we need to do a 3 year inventory to get a budget that works for all
people. chances are, the total budget is appropriate for now, we just need to think about spending it in a different way. we need a defense budget, but the facts are, over the next few years, we need to get down to an essential force and stop the huge contracts that could be better spent on other things. our govt. and govt.'s around the world need to cut down on the amount of spying done domestically and internationally. we want to work on building stronger
relationships domestically and internationally and these can't be built with petty spying going
on. no country in the world has any secrets that anyone with a computer can't figure out by reading some stories.


we need to lower the cost of living for the lower classes and the middle classes. the cost of
living has become a burden for many by putting the squeeze on them.


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this is the moment you have all been waiting for. can you pass the acid test?
if anyone wants to see if they can pass the acid test. here is the question. can you solve the problem. the solution is in the book(all my posts).

the question: the reason i started posting these post was/is?
a) i needed quick money for beer and pot.
b)i wanted to see a true flat rate tax of 35% on corporations and the top 0.5% of individuals.
c)i saw the govt. on a bad course and in denial about serious issues including our economic
environment and our natural environment.
d) all of the above
e)none of the above

if you think you know the answer please send your answer along with $25 to cover the cost of beer and pot while i grade your answer. you have until november 1, 2013. hint-the solution requires some writing and some other action and no one fails who succeeds.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By carthorse (Bornin69) on Wednesday, November 20, 2013 - 07:25 pm: Edit Post

what else can i say.
the jobs program is still solid.
the govt. and people have to remember to keep doing the day to day stuff and not be out of touch with day to day reality.

democrats and republicans? have to stand up for higher taxes on the top 0.5% and large corporations. they have to stand up for the affordable care act/obamacare. they have to
stand up for more money and resources for the decent/half decent citizens who need housing
and food and other assistance. the cost of living has gone up and rents and mortages are
taking to big of a bite out of a lot peoples paychecks. we have to come up with a short term as well as a longer term solution. the govt. spends a huge amount on this every year, and it
may not be getting the best bang for the buck as they could?

we are not at war with islam/muslims.
iran and north korea are already both on notice.
2 cents of iran, even though i differ to the white house team on this one.
even though isreal is an ally, we can't let them dictate american policy. america and isreal
have to be more open and honest with less secrets.
we have to ask iran now if it only wants nuclear power or if it wants nuclear weapons now or later.
if all they want is nuclear power, we ought to let them proceed if they want, while advising them
we are very cautious nowadays about nuclear energy and the long term costs associated with
it, so while we don't recommend it right now, we aren't yet totally against it?. there are more important issues right now, so while we don't recommend new nuclear power now, we are leaving for another day what the future of nuclear energy will be in america.
the real question is whether iran wants nuclear weapons and whether or not this is their decision alone or a decision for other countries, as well.
if it wants nuclear weapons, it should let us know now. while the answer would start off no, if we had our way, we would be willing to think about it a while and be open minded. if iran does
not want nuclear weapons an agreeable solution ought to be easier and any open, proven action toward nuclear weapons by iran could be dealt with immediately, with no negotiation.
if iran did want nuclear weapons, they could read the above, and then come up with a different answer. really, everyone ought to chill out for three years and see what way the wind is blowing in three years. if we have our way, the world will be moving toward how to achieve a nuclear free future. believe it or not, nuclear weapons are not the worlds most pressing problem right now, global warming is.
isreal and palestine both have to work toward getting back to better relations. isreal is not
going anywhere. i think they ought to stop building settlements and work toward giving some
land back to the palestines or come up with something better. sorry to say, there are more important issues now, so this issue can wait as well.

// i would like to see all the girls in pussy riot from russia still in jail - released.//

the following should not cause any panic or distress. i think people who think/believe or are willing to think/believe global warming is real, will be better prepared to deal with the consequences of it. the best thing we can do about it; is to do something about it by taking
action. remember, these things happen over a period of time. i saw some news of a climate
change/gloabal warming rally, held in poland . they had a number of speakers from different
countries including the Philippines and a train load of belguims who made the trip by train.
it really brought home the reality of how the consequences of man made global warming
are happening now, in expected but also unexpected ways.

ping pong
ping pong
ping pong
ping pong


thailand tusnami new orleans flood
japanese tsunami/nuclearmeltdown hurricanesandy

Philippines typhoon some american disaster?

here is a concern of mine.
it seems like the weather pattern is ping ponging between asia? and america?
it seems like the period of time between these events is shortening and becoming unstable?
if we do nothing, the likelihood of some weather disaster happening in the next 6 months
would have to be high, within the next 3 years it would have to be really high. weather conditions are becoming very unstable due to man made warming, theoritically we could see multiples disasters every storm season. i don't see how we can continue to gamble with the consequences of not taking any immediate actions against some of the causes of man made global warming.
we ought to immediately stop all burning of coal and all coal production and anything to do with coal. we should have been doing something for the last 20 years, but we haven't, so now we have no choice. these storms and disasters are coming if we do nothing. for america's
own good, we ought to see if this makes a difference, i think/believe it will, although this whole Philippines typhoon caught me off guard and has changed my thinking a bit. this global warming thing is happening sooner and in other ways not anticipated and i now think/believe
we need some profound changes quickly, if we are going to do what we can about the consequences. we can't wait for the people in denial about this to come around, i don't think
we have the time.
it is in america's best interest to do this for america's sake. other countries will either follow
america's example or they won't. it would be in china's best interest if they also stopped burning coal immediately for the foreseeable future as well as the european union.
we can reassess the situation in 6 months. global warming is our biggest threat right now and we now need a profound change. to take no action is basically immoral(not good). pledges or treaties or trading carbon credits is not the action we need right now and is basically doing nothing. govt. leaders will have to give an account of why they did nothing if they do nothing
and imo ought to be brought up on charges of crimes against humanity.
this has been a warning against doing nothing.
the govt. is not a business. how we deal with global warming is not a business decision.
private corporations should not be setting govt. policy.
america and china have to slow down.
america wastes a lot of energy.
america will have to get serious about conserving energy.
america will have to cut greenhouse gases immediately and come up with longer term cuts
that will have an effect, like 50% .
america and china will both have to cut the most, like 50% with other nations cutting there's
somewhere between 0% and say 35%.
to prevent disasters, it is realistic for america and other countries to make these profound changes, immediately and over a longer term. the consequences of doing very little over the last 20 years are already known- disasters and suffering. if we do nothing, we will possibly/likely see worse consequences within the next 6 months to 2 years and i think
govt. leaders should be held accountable and charged with crimes against humanity.


the affordable care act is a good act and will eventual work. who said it was going to be easy.
good for democrats who speak up. senators and congressman have to be able to see the (national interests) big picture and the (local/state) smaller picture.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By carthorse (Bornin69) on Tuesday, December 03, 2013 - 03:03 pm: Edit Post

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everything will be alright
we're not constrained by reality
magical thinking
//ha ha ha//

here is my hand
i have a pair o' *****


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By carthorse (Bornin69) on Tuesday, December 03, 2013 - 03:18 pm: Edit Post

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here 'tis


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By carthorse (Bornin69) on Wednesday, December 11, 2013 - 05:17 pm: Edit Post

the only version of christianity i like is the one in which peace and justice are seen
as the fruits(goals).
any other version is not the christianity i was brought up on.

i don't like the versions where war and violence and injustice are accepted. the versions where people act as if they can do nothing while people suffer injustices and the evils of war.
the version where people ignore all the signs of the causes of injustices.

we need to plant a seed, in all the bullshit, that will actually grow into the fruits we want( peace
and justice).
the reality is, peace and justice are not far off, if we find the courage to stand up for the values we all ought to believe in, and take some action. the good thing about my plan is all we need to do is take a first step by raising the taxes on the top 0.5% and large corporations, enough so we can ease the burden(injustice) that has been put on the middle class and others. we need to remind people of the value of love and charity toward all men and women and children.

we need to tell the kock brothers and all the other conservative/ tea party bullshitters to fuck off once and for all.

any budget plan without a tax increase of some sort on the top 0.5% and large corporations
is unjust and ought to be dismissed as bullshit.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By carthorse (Bornin69) on Saturday, December 14, 2013 - 03:51 pm: Edit Post

the real sodomites of today are in the govt., particularly the republicans.
the republicans in the house and senate are a bunch of koch sucking sodomites.
these republicans suck koch for money. it is not limited to the republicans, but they
are the biggest hypocrites.
the koch brothers use their money to corrupt and influence public officials.
the koch brothers have turned the supreme court and the houses of congress and local
govt. and local institutions into a bunch of koch sucking sodomites.
the worst thing for a public officials soul is to be corrupted and influenced by outside individuals or groups of individuals. and the worst thing for society is to have corrupted koch
sucking sodomites governing.

good thing for the koch sucking sodomites is we believe in redemption.
give up your koch sucking(overturn citizens united and enact publicly funded elections)
and go and sin no more. and don't forget to tax the rich and large corporations.
until these steps are taking, the republicans will be known as koch sucking sodomites.

*corruption is not limited to the republicans. the democrats are being corrupted
by outside groups and individuals as well. the gall of the republicans is they profess to be
"christian", yet there actions and policies seem anything but, especially with regards to
the rich and needy.*

the american people who work for private companies or who are entrepreneurs don't want
to work just to support a bloated federal govt. and local govt. including police and fireman
and teachers and pay them what have become outrageous salaries and benefits just because
they have unions. the weight of all these salaries and benefits is out of whack. the unions are corrupting the democrats as much as businesses and the rich are corrupting the republicans.
we have to get rid of all campaign contributions and normalize salaries and benefits and focus on the work they do and getting good results. the american people also don't want large corporations manipulating local and state and federal govt. to get an unfair advantage
and limit competition and keeps raising the cost of living for average americans. much more
could be said about all this, but can wait for now. the govt. and the courts have just stood by and done nothing to remedy the abuses, since the unions and large corporations
make campaign contributions to the same people who set the salaries and pensions.
this is bullshit and corruption.


please remember, i am just pointing some stuff out, and i am not judging anyone's soul here.
just trying to be helpful and point out that the condition of a person's soul is important, which
is why learning about morals(good/bad)and ethics(right/wrong)when you are younger
is so important. having life experiences with consequences is another way to pick some
of this stuff up. but, living an affluenza life of privelage with no consequences seems to me to be a way to an immoral and unethical life. clearly justice in america is not blind. the
privileged are given a pass and then the judge compensates by being overly harsh
toward others, especially the underprivileged.

the democrats have to remember the republicans are bullies. the democrats have to
stand up to them. the republicans have forgotten about humility and helping others.
please remember i'm not trying to blame the republicans for all problems, but as far as i can
tell, the republicans seem to be the ones in the way of moving realistically forward.

expecting a bunch of corrupt sodomites to do anything worthwhile is wishful thinking. that
is why i came up with a 30 year plan to solve some of these issues realistically. the govt.
already spends so much money every year on these issues and even though it has done some good, considering the amount of money spent, one would expect better results. i think
it is more realistic to take the pressure off people trying to get them to have some miraculous
overnite change, and go with a more realistic miracle of a slow change over 30 years. instead
of just giving people fish(food,shelter,ipads,tv's)let's get back to the idea of teaching them
how to fish(education,jobs,being of service) which in the long and short run, will show
much better results.

the democrats and the moderate non-sodomite republicans have to get more serious about
this. do they want a teardown or a remodel? we will not only bring america down to its
foundation, but will will bring it all the way down to the ground unless we get the okay and
payment for the remodel. trust me, when i say america's foundation is solid. it ought to be
built upon, not completely torn down. the problem has been that a lot of the stuff on top of
the foundation was down very shoddily by a lot of shoddy contractors and corrupt govt. officials.
america was built by immigrants and people of all different religions and cultures and beliefs
and we believe all people ought to be welcome and live their lives as they see fit. having
said that, americans take a pledge of allegiance to the united states and i feel people have to choose one country to pledge allegiance too. so while all are welcome and ought to enjoy the
same rights as anyone else in america, we ought not tolerate people working against america's best interest. we have plenty of allies in the world. these allies are first and foremost the people of other countries and ought not to be the govts. of others countries.
all govts. ought to put their people first and not others countries govts. first, before the people.
we first and foremost want what's best for the american people. there has been way too much
bullshit between govts. that don't put the people interest first. we would like to be allies with
all countries around the world, but we can also accept being neutral with countries that have
there own growing up to do, and america ought to let other countries go forward however their
people wish to go forward, and america ought to stay out of others countries progress. having said that, we really ought to revamp the united nations into something with better results.
we ought not blindly sit back while other govt. or people commit atrocities against others, keeping in mind, america is no longer the worlds policeman. peace around the world is
in everyone's best interest and we ought to set up a united nations to keep the peace around
the world, with sanctions or interventions when necessary. by the way, the only united nations
i would be interested in seeing is a non-bullshit united nations.

america has it's strengths and weaknesses like any other country. we ought not push american values on other countries or cultures that have there own values and ways of doing
things. just as america is on a 30 year plan, other countries are going to change as well, since the laws of change state, if one thing(america)changes, other things(other countries) change as well. as long as people accept the change, things will go smoothly, but when
people resist change, because of fear or ignorance, things go less smoothly.

i see no reason why the democrats and the moderate non-sodomite republicans and the people don't make a stand now in this budget battle. this is no field of dreams, build it and they will come, pie in the sky bullshit scheme. this is a real plan that needs real money and resources, paid for by the rich and large corporations, collected by the govt. the money is
there, whether it be out of country profits by american corporations, or millionaire and billionaires paying 14% tax rates, or large corporations that have manipulated govt. and gotten tax breaks or shifting money around already in the budget. lets cut the bullshit and take the action necessary now to get the money. if the democrats and moderate non- sodomite republicans cave into the republican sodomites, things will get just get worse for everyone. sodomites should not be running the country. if we take a stand now, and things get a bit worse in the short term, but we get what we want, things will be better for everyone
in the long run. this is where trust and courage to take a stand come in. life is not a joke and this is not a joke, this is serious. having said that, i do have a sense of humor that i believe gets me through, and i don't like to take anything i don't have control over too serious, but if we don't act there will be serious consequences to pay for everyone.

i think we have waited long enough for congress to come around. they don't have to understand everything to get this thing started. this plan does not replace everything else the govt. and the people are doing. this is in addition, along side everything else. as i have mentioned, some things are working, but other things are not working and could work better with better results with this plan.

having said all this, i am not a govt. insider, so these decisions are not up to me. other people
in the govt. will have to decide how to proceed. but keep in mind, my part in this is a small
part and the price to pay is a small price, considering the consequences of not acting or
doing the same old shit that is not working anymore, because expecting a bunch of sodomites
to get good results is unrealistic. there are a lot of decent people in the govt.(including the misguided sodomites, if they have a change of heart and mind about a few things) and a lot of
decent americans(including the misguide sodomites if they have a change of heart and mind about a few things) who i believe can bring about better results, if given a good plan and the money and resources to carry it out. that's all i'm saying.

capitalism can survive in america, as long as people understand capitalism is not a form of
govt. and we create the right environment for it to continue to exist. the sodomites in govt. and the sodomites in business corrupted each other and corrupted capitalism which has brought us to where we are today. the stock market upheavels and real estate upheavels and wars and many other problems were all partly due to unregulated capitalism and corrupt govt. and businesses and have been bad for america.



feliz navidad- jose feliciano
i want to wish you a merry christmas
from the bottom of my heart


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By carthorse (Bornin69) on Friday, February 28, 2014 - 06:30 pm: Edit Post

today is the day that will be remembered in history? as the day the us govt. willingly
or unwillingly enslaved the entire country and world through bad govt. policies. of course this was entirely avoidable if the govt. would have paid up.
the us govt. needs to step up and take what is said here a bit more seriously? am i wrong?
i am standing up here as someone who knows what i am talking about, keep in mind 70% of the time, and i am the only one offering a plausible solution that has a chance of working
out. the serious part in all this, is we need a shorter term solution that will work in the short term and the longer term. if we want to do our best to avoid certain consequences, i am comfortable
stating that my plan is the only one i am willing to be any part of. i am not willing to participate in
any govt. which continues with bad policies that are either outdated, not working as intended,
doing more harm than good, or that only have advantages for a very few people- basically things like tax breaks for the top 0.5%. we need to get rid of some or all or america's complex laws and amend everything so it is very simple. too much complex stuff that's outlived whatever purpose it had(the -people who write all this complex stuff is to take advantage of
less complex people. instead of the govt. serving the people, the people are now serving the
govt due to corruption and other people taking advantage of less intelligent people.

the us govt. needs to look at me as a type of doctor with a prescription for what ails it, who does not go out looking for patients and does not work for free, and does not make housecalls unless everything needed to make this housecall is provided. the us govt. has the resources to make a decision about whether to hire me, and do what it has to do to hire me(in a friendly and non-threatening way as possible). so even though i have a sense of humor, this is actually a very serious plan, that was not easy to come up with and is actually
very difficult, and your kidding yourselves if you think anyone else can oversee and manage this plan. i am pretty sure i know what i am doing, remembering the 70% rule and remembering the only way this would work out is if people are willing to do their parts for their
own benefit as well as our collective benefit.

one way to judge the seriousness of the govt. is by them getting the money for the plan.
this is a real external plan of action. one that actually requires people to work together
in real cities and towns and villages and states and the country. my plan is a plan for all
the people of america. we are all americans and we all have the same rights under the constitution. no one ought to have or want any control over another person. americans have become a bunch of control freaks and
surveillance freaks and today is the day we have all become enslaved in america.
we need our freedom back and the cost of that freedom is 30 billion dollars( i am not
sure if i am even able to bring myself to mentioning whether i am willing to negotiate for less than 30 billion).

it seems to me the us govt. is playing with fire. not taking me serious has serious consequences if i am correct about a few things, then the us govt. is taking at least one
very bad risk with regards to global warming right now. americans, imo are too stimulated by
too much oil and other stimulants(meth,coke,energy drinks,etc)and are making decisions not based on reality. i saw clip of pres. obama about a year ago, where he sounded like a exxon-mobil representitive. an exxon-mobil message is they are not in the oil business but the
energy business. they don't make gas, they make power. disregarding the facts that oil is a dirty form of energy and is basically the main offender of global warming, because we are using so much energy but also wasting so much energy. americans are so stimulated and have become so materialistic they have lost touch with other important areas of human nature. as of right now xl-keystone is a no-go unless you hear different from me and only me.
i would need to personally hear in person from pres. obama why i ought to change my mind. this issue is the line in the sand we need. we need to know who is for the people and my plan and who is against the people and my plan. saying global warming is a fact is the easy part.
taking the steps and actions needed to manage global warming is the real test of how
serious our govt. is on this issue. as of right now, it is basically business as usual with very little or nothing actually being done. there is no way to manage global warming without
cutting oil and coal use. this is a fact. we need to change the way america conducts business
and the way americans treat and take care of others. global warming and economic crimes
and injustices are linked together. the reality is i will have to basically be blindly trusted
to do what needs to be done. i will need the authority to tell people and corporations what
to do and what not to do and will have to have federal agencies backing me up. remember, on the one hand a lot of things in america will change, while at the same time, this will all
be done short-term over a few years and long term over 30 years, so as not to harm anyone
or freak out people. taking bits and pieces of what i say and someone else trying to solve this will not work. remember, america has known about global warming for 25 years and has basically done nothing and not only that, they have done so many wrong things, so as to make a difficult issue, more difficult.

if the us govt. thinks it can go ahead without dealing with me, that is there prerogative, but
again i believe to a certain extent, the us govt is playing with fire and they do not have the understanding to deal with what is going on here and now and seem to me heading on a course to doing evil, whether knowingly or unknowingly. until we cut oil production and coal
production and experience the results of this, a lot of people will remain out of touch with things they are neglecting in their natures, like a sense of right and wrong and good and bad.
this is one reason why i think the catholic church and other religions or any person who cares about these things might join in on this. the us govts. policies and lack of action on
this and many other policies is really anti-reality anti-ethics anti morals and has serious consequences for our country as a whole, but more importantly on every citizen of america.
a country full of people doing whatever, without regards to basic traditions of morals and ethics or science(real science) and religion(catholic church and offshoots of catholic traditions). the catholic church is and will continue to be a part of the solution. i partly follow
an idea of a western thought tradition. meaning pre-greeks, greeks, catholic church,
picking up in the 1600's and now. basically western thought, some sort of inner reality(thought,belief,religion,etc) and some sort of outer reality(govt,society,citizens,etc).
the idea of a public and private right and wrong and good and bad. we need to stop forcing
an unnatural idea of right and wrong and good and bad, and let people's own (conscious)for the most part guide them? but we have to fix the big picture. the big picture is the one i am
concerned with. if we have an us govt. with immoral and unethical policies and laws, which
go against reality and man's true nature, the people get very confused with their own sense of morals and ethics and this leads to a bad society. i understand what needs to be fixed in
the big picture and once we get on a better track nationally, americans will be free at last
and things will improve for all people.
kudos to russia and the people of russia for the olympics. i thought they did
a good job. i usually catch a bit of the olympics on tv. most years. the opening ceremony was
a highlight(and possible ought to be replayed to schoolkids as some sort of benchmark). i thought the russian iceskaters did well in combining technique and art as well. congrats
to everyone who was a part of it or participated in it.

kudos to pussy riot. i thought i heard they were in new york before the olympics, and then
the next thing i know, they are getting arrested in russia during the olympics. the next day they get whipped and beaten by volunteer cossacks. and then the next day they release a great video"putin will teach you to love the motherland". getting whipped by volunteer cossacks showcases a problem in russia and america for that matter. why did these volunteer cossacks think they had a right to whip other russians, like they did. something gave these volunteers the idea this was ok. my experience in america has not been this drastic, but
some americans seem to forget we live in america, the land of the free, and they trample on the rights of others while trying to impose there will on other people. trying to impose ones
own will on another person is a distortion of human nature and ought to be classified under a bad thing. anyways, i thought pussy riot came out of nowhere and made a statement.

listen, i have never met pres. putin or pussy riot, but i am going to say i support them both. they both have something to offer and there is no reason they can't live and work together. i feel pussy riot is a plus for russia and putin.

kudos to bill moyer from pbs as well. he runs a show on pbs and talks with guests
about current issues in america. i saw 3 shows the past couple weeks that really hit
closer to what is wrong with govt. and govt. policies. guest bill mckibben really lays
out what i feel is an accurate picture of global warming and govt. inaction, etc. guest mike lofgren talks about the "deep state". guest david simon also was worth watching.
bill moyers has been around a long time and his show is really hitting its stride lately.

i may have mentioned this already, but russia is an american ally(not saying there perfect) and any congressman or senator who says or acts differently is wrong. putin has in hindsight
been right about not going along with any us govt. bullshit all these years. american spies or
us govt. meddling too much in other countries and causing all sorts of problems while offering no solution except the word democracy is and has been bullshit. we all want good govt. that takes care of all its citizens and immigrants and allows them the freedom there human nature needs to live life. we don't want surveillance and control and oppression. any transistion
from oppression to freedom is going to need a period of adjustment. the people have to
remember that freedom comes with a cost and the more freedom the more cost. people ought to consider only enough freedom to free the mind and the soul and the body from the oppressors, so they may function according to there own natures.

although the timing might not be the best, whats done is done, in ukraine. there is no reason
to believe this can't be worked out given time. i have not really been following this until recently, so i am partly uneducated about what is going on there, but i support ukraine and the people of ukraine. i also support russia. i suspect ukraine wants more freedom and respect for human rights. there is no reason this can't be worked out peacefully to everyone's satisfaction.

america is going through its own transition right now as well and there is no reason it can't be worked out peacefully . there is no reason america cannot take care of all its citizens and immigrants. we need all of the us govt. to function and take the action necessary to get back on course. i don't think americans can keep putting the tough decisions off until after the next election, hoping reason will prevail.

the republicans in congress have to start trusting someone. what they are doing is wrong.
if they don't want to trust the democrats or the president, the only other choice is to trust me and my plan. my plan and myself can be trusted. truly, they have no choice but to trust someone. the biggest evil in the world today has something to do with the us govt. i believe what the republicans in the house are doing is evil. they are out of touch
with current reality(think global warming) and out of touch with 99% of americans(think economic injustice). they do not have a realistic way foward, so either they have to go with democratic ideas, or my plan. i could just as easily do my plan with republican support.

i don't like to throw out the word evil, but in this case i really think the us govt. is playing
with fire and i am saying i know what to do, and we have to act sooner rather
than later. once the shit hit the fans, i may or may not be interested in helping.
i do not understand everything that is going on, but i do understand human nature and what is
going on is offensive to man's nature and to the divine. it is entirely probably the pres. and congress do not understand why what i'm saying is so serious, but if they don't trust me
they will find out why.
it turns out i am the only one able to implement my plan. i thought i might be able to explain
myself and my plan so another person could implement it, but i was wrong about that.
once i get funding, i am a self starter and one of my strong traits is managing others.
if given funding and a few contact people within the govt. i can start this thing up almost immediately and the change will be instant. and i can assure everyone, until this happens, the change people are waiting for is not going to happen. the govt. and its policies have harmed
a lot of innocent americans and until congress pays up, this will continue.
what sets america apart is our founding fathers came up with a constitution which separates church and govt. it allows freedom of religion, but maintains a separation of church and govt.
we need people in govt. who understand the difference between how to form and maintain a good govt. and religion. america cannot morph into some meaningless blend of bits and pieces of bullshit from every single person. if you try to please everyone, you please no one.
america has to get over this false notion that everyone's opinion matters the same. we have
to start realizing that some people are wiser than other people, and the reality is, wise people
are few and far between. not listening to someone who speaks wisely is really an offense
against god and man's nature and has consequences.

(i ought to add here, i am not the type of person to take personal advice from. i am not here
to personally solve everyone's individual problems, except in the sense of having a good
govt. that is in tune with god's will and man's nature, ought to allow people to live more worthwhile lives without so much bullshit due to bad policies that take advantage of people and mangle man's true nature. one of the points i am trying to make, is americans have had
their true nature mangled by corruption and ignorance as well as other reasons. we need to
get real people inside govt. who can actually bring about the change we want. just wanting
to bring about change is not enough. we actually have to know what changes will bring about
the changes we want- and i am saying i know more or less what to do, because i have thought
it through and have partly put it into practice. real happiness in this life and the next one, has to do with the condition of one's soul and morals and ethics are the things that keep a soul in good condition. catholic tradition has been concerned with this question
and is a decent external yardmark for people, imo, remembering the 70% rule applies to the catholic church as well, imo.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By carthorse (Bornin69) on Sunday, March 09, 2014 - 09:59 pm: Edit Post

i am not one to meddle in other countries affairs, but what the hay.

big picture solution to the china and the dalai lama issue.
i think it would be best for china and the rest of the world, if the dalai lama returns to
the new tibet which would be controlled by the dalai lama and tibet, with as little inference from
china as possible. things may have changed alot in tibet in the last 10 years or so, so compromises may have to be made. but i believe tibet and the dalai lama ought both be restored. i believe the dalai lama and Tibetans ought to decide who the next dalai lama ought to be. this is the way i see it.
lately, i have seen a number of positive changes in the way china presents its views to the west and the rest of the world. china is one the world leaders and with that comes responsibilities and i believe they will live up to those responsibilities.
for china, "the way forward is remembering the past". meaning, china ought to get back to
confucious and mencius as the way forward. Confucian thought played a much larger
part in government in the past, than it does now in china. neo-confucian thought spread through korea and vietnam. for a time passing a confuncian school of thought test was
required to get a job in the government.

people have to remember that buddhism is not a western based religion or a form of government. confucianism and platonism both include political ideas and ideas about what government ought to do and what governments ought not do.

with regards to the russian and ukraine issue. a couple thoughts. i believe russia has acted
reasonable and within their best interest, possibly a bit heavy handed, but whose to say. i believe the us and eu statements are appropriate, but i also believe for the time being russian concerns ought to be given the benefit of the doubt. most if not all of the "arab spring" uprisings have not gone really well. whose to say this one would be any different. plus the arab springs seemed to be about establishing democracy, where
ukraine was or still might be close to a democracy. ukraine/kiev has to ignore what russia is doing and a) come up with a good plan b) either tell the everyone the plan or tell everyone
you need help coming up with a plan. i think it is in ukraines, russian and eu interests to work together to come up with a solution. the solution will probably include a better and fairer distribution of money that takes care of everyone. some people will still get more than others,
but the human rights of the have-nots cannot be sacrificed so the few can take an unfair share. people will want more personal freedoms and not be discriminated against.
* the right of revolution or right of rebellion is the right or duty variously stated throughout history, of the people of a nation to overthrow a government that acts against their common interests.*

i believe most if not all ukrainians and russians want to resolve this peacefully. the best way to achieve this is to not split the country in two, which seems to be the main challenge these days, think iraq, syria, etc. i do not believe russia ever intended to annex crimea and
i will be surprised if putin signs off on annexing crimea. i believe the troops are there to prevent any violence. if i were the eu and us i would advise against any sanctions against
russia for the moment and focus on using diplomacy to help the ukraine govt. in kiev.
i imagine russia feels certain americans helped fuel this rebellion and does not apprectiate this. but it seems to me this euromaiden thing grew organically within ukraine, although
it did seem to receive some moral support from around the world, including america.
i do not feel america is responsible for starting this rebellion, but now that it has happened, america does support the idea that this rebellion happened for a reason and would like
to see it worked out peacefully, which seems to be the consensus on all sides.
russia values its security and would probably like to see matters taken care of quickly
and things returned to normal, but it is possible this thing will need more time and effort
to solve if people want something that will actually work. if this thing looks like it is going to
drag out a bit, i see no reason the russian troops can't go back to their bases and be just as effective. the international community not respecting russian interest in this issue is not helping the issue. how can the international community ignore the violence that has
followed the arab spring and expect russia to just sit back and hope it doesn't happen in ukraine. personally, i think the ukraine issue is different and i didn't get the feeling ukraine was going to break out into violence, but apparently russia wasn't willing to take a chance, and i don't necessarily disagree with them. ukraine has to come up with something that works
for the whole country including crimea.


americans have been partly misreading what has been going on in the real world. our congress does not have 10% positive ratings because the people think they are doing a good job. most of what is coming out of congress is out of touch. their are some positive notes.
john b's immigration bill. i endorse the john b republican immigration bill. there were about 5 or 6 key points. i would keep it that simple. its possible a couple minor changes, like a sliding scale fine. those with more pay more(within reason) and those with little will pay less or $1.00.
plus, we will possible have to help some of the immigrants if they need help.
we will have to have monitors to protect the immigrants rights as well as to protect
america's best interest. i have faith this will for the most part work out, keeping in mind
a couple of other higher priorities that need to be taken care of first. think 30B. and i think in
25 years they should become citizens if all goes according to the plan.

i thought the presidents budget was another step in the right direction. but we need more and washington needs some outside of the usual circles programs and participation. washington and obama have continued so much from the bush/cheney years that never worked and never will work. the old ways are not working anymore. we need people in govt. who understand the world is changing and what are the ramifications.
obama is cosigning so much bush/cheney bullshit. i believe the federal govt. is still full of people who are working against america because they are working against obama. we have one commander in chief- pres. obama. i believe our cia and our nsa and are out of control and need to be reigned in. america should not be stirring up trouble in other countries and has to do a better job of not monitoring its citizens. john "100 years war" mccain ought to retire. the reality is not that obama is weak, but america is weak. obama needs an america
that takes the action necessary for peace and justice(cutting the war machine down and taxing the rich and spending the money wisely). and only congress can help obama achieve
these goals. only then will obama's word mean something to the international as well as domestic audience.


america's foriegn policy is terrible and out of touch with current reality. as bad as it is, until we change our domestic policy and start addressing the economic injustices and the discrimination that exists in america, we run the risk of being isolated from international affairs
because our actions up to this point have not worked out well for our country or other countries and why would they continue to listen to america when we get them bad results.
the american government has been slow to come around to my point of view and as a result
is behind the times. we need to show the international community america knows what it is
doing and can be a world leader again, without just stirring up trouble with no concern about the results. t he us govt. has to start supporting obama more, with better policies and better intelligence and more constructive participation


if america has been wrong about not doing anything about global warming all these years,
and i believe it has been wrong, it logically follows that a lot of other things that are going on are also wrong, like economics. we need a new way of thinking about these issues
and having a dialogue about how to put into action a better plan. it doesn't make sense to go from one crisis to another and spending lots of energy and time on something using old ways of doing things that haven't worked and expecting decent results.

albert einstein quote- we can't solve our problems with the same thinking we used when we created them

i have been a fierce advocate of using my plan with government support. i offer up the most realistic way of dealing with these issues and once america learns a better way of dealing with issues, it will have a snowball effect on everyone else in society at large in a constructive way.
americans elect officials to act in their(the peoples) best(common) interest. for whatever reason, i do not believe our elected officials are acting in our best interests.

the right of revolution or the right of rebellion is the right or duty variously stated throughout history, of the people of a nation to overthrow a government that acts against their common interests


clearly the world is changing. most countries around the world clearly want peace. the
only way to insure a real peace is to work toward economic justice as well. i do not believe you can have a real peace without righting injustices as well. pres. obama is clearly on a
path toward some kind of peace, but the question is whether it is real or just fool's gold. whether it is going to include some sort of economic justice or is it just all for show.

it is clear to me the old ways of doing things do not really apply anymore. the american war machine has to be cut in size and has to change to fit current reality. russia is a country that has the right to rule its country as it sees fit. america has very few options that will actually work in this situation. to cut to the chase russia has nuclear weapons. there is no reason to think this situation would turn out well if america tried to solve it militarily. the old ways will not work. the same reasoning applys to china. the dialogue coming out of china lately is very promising, imo. russia and china both have nuclear weapons, and it is in everyones best interest to keep russia and china as allies and on decent terms.
russia and china have both been around longer than the united states and both countries have issues, but so does america.


the time for a palestine-isreal peace deal is now. isreal has to take the lead and offer
up a real peace deal. i do not foresee a better peace deal
for the palestines in the future. if the reality of gaining land, aid(money and resources), more freedom and better relationships with closet neighbors, doesn't appeal to palestinians, i don't know what will.

i think an isreal-palestine peace deal is close at hand and will be historic if done right.
i think palestine/arab league ought to agree that isreal is a jewish state, but add, that will never discriminate against any race, religion or creed. but i don't think either statement should hold up a deal, but the palestinians and isreals have to remember this is a real deal peace deal in their best interest to sign sooner than later.


we have been in Afghanistan for 12 years. pres. karzai of afghanistan is not happy with
the us. govt. and i believe he has a right to be angry. americans or anyone else should not
be raiding afghan villages and afghani homes and not commit crimes against there culture
or way of life.

International womens day gives us an opportunity to celebrate the many achievements on the journey to gender equality. It also gives us pause to assess where we are in that journey. We are reminded daily that millions of women in developing countries struggle for personal and economic freedom, including the freedom to learn, work, and participate.

We cannot solve our problems with the same thinking we used when we created the
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i believe russia is at its best when it is a counter balance to america. due partly to
american policies that have shown terrible results around the world, russia has had to step into a quasi lead position in world affairs. i respect russia and pres putin whom i believe up to this point has been and most likely will continue to be the most able to lead russia. i respect america and pres. obama whom i believe up to this point has been and most likely will continue to be the most able to lead america. russia and most of the objective world have
seen that what america has done around the world lately has not shown the kind of results
normal people usually equate with something good, plus russia sees everyday america has the same problem the rest of the civilized world have, economic injustices, the few taking more
than their share and the rest fighting over the scraps. now, you have to remember, the civilized world takes great care to make the picture as rosy as possible, and some countries are better than other countries in taking care of the whole population, but at the end of the day, some peoples human rights are being abused by another group, whether this is through
direct or indirect ways. whether we are talking about america or ukraine, part of the solution
is getting more from the elites, both in the form of money and constructive participation.
//definition of constructive- helping to develop or improve something : helpful to someone instead of upsetting and negative.//

i included this definition to hopefully make a point. i believe that the only way america can be constructive in ukraine is to address some of the economic injustices in america first. americas elites pay 14% tax and the rest of us fight over the scraps. is congress listening.
listen, i am not trying to stir up any trouble here, but my patience has worn thin.
i feel america has to take the lead on this issue. how can america expect to be taken seriously around the world, when our own house is in such disorder and what we have done around the world seems to cause such disorder. the problem is not just about money and
resources being controlled by a few, its also about constructive participation. instead of trying
to control everything so much, these people have to let go and let constructive participation take over along with new ideas and ways of solving things.


i believe, for whatever reason, i have a better understanding of why russia has done what
it has done, and i feel i have a better way of dealing with russia. i believe the main reason
troops went into crimea was to avoid any violence in ukraine due to the overthrow, the kind of violence that has followed the arab spring. pres. putin told us all as much. russia made a decision to send in troops and if looked at objectively does not seem all that unreasonable.
none of this prevents ukraine(kiev) for forming a govt. which is more in tune with the
protestors demands. so far, russia has not indicated a willingness to help come up with a govt. that will work for the protestors. russia is under no obligation to help, except that it might be in their best interest to help. that leaves the eu and us, unless some individuals step up in
ukraine or elsewhere who can come up with something. this is a new russia and must be approached with a new way of thinking, not the old ways of thinking about russia.

*my soviet encounter*
in 1984 the olympics were held in los angeles. i was at a los angeles area theme park and all of the sudden i saw the soviet girls gymnastics team. they all had their red jumpsuits on and were as cute as could be. i could not believe i was in the presence of real soviets. to me this was a big deal and for some reason this memory popped up recently. these were the good old days.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By turpentine station (Bornin69) on Wednesday, May 21, 2014 - 05:05 pm: Edit Post

** if you agree america needs to cut its use of fossil fuels to avoid melting the polar ice caps, you do not need to read any further. if you want to read my "argument" why i think we need to
cut our fossil fuel use to avoid melting the polar ice caps, you may or may not want to continue
reading furthur.**

based on new information that has come to light recently a couple of things have become
clearer.

the climate is becoming more hostile for humans due to the melting of the polar ice caps.
1. part of the solution has to be to cut coal production and use immediately and to cut oil production and use immediately. people and countries have known about the problem of global warming and the solution to global warming for at least 20 years. other countries signed the kyoto agreement and have taken modest steps, but china and the united states are the 2 biggest polluters and both ought to get serious about cutting back on co2 emissions.

before it fades into the back of everyones minds, i figure i will give my opinion about the
latest global warming news concerning the melting of polar ice caps, which i now believe regulate the earths temperature or bias if you will and i believe we are running too hot due
to excessive burning of fossil fuels and releasing too much c02 into the atmosphere, which
is causing warming and melting of polar ice caps. the us govt. needs to cut fossil fuel use from current level. i say we need to cut coal use by 50% and oil use by at least 20% but maybe more. we need to do this immediately and see what is the effect on the melting polar ice. i believe what we will see in say 5 years if we cut our fossil fuels and co2 emmisions, is that our environment will improve and we will see we do have an effect on our climate. is accepting this too much for people to appreciate. all the science says is the polar ice caps are melting due to the increase in temperature (especially the last 20 years) due to the excessively amounts of fossil fuels and c02 that is being burned and emitted into the atmosphere which is causing a temperature increase and the polar ice caps are now melting at an alarming rate.
i don't believe the us govt has a choice but to cut coal and oil use and reduce c02 emissions.
1. the science is in. 2. things will get worse if we don't accept this reality and take immediate and appropriate action. 3. the govt. will realize it is not in their best interest to listen to and believe what people filled with too much hate and ignorance say, ie global warming deniers,
racists, etc. yes america will change, by accepting global warming, but there are plenty of reasons why this will be a good change.

republicans are going to have a hard time denying this issue and continuing to ignore their
role in solving this issue. the republicans main concern seems to be that trying to solve this issue will destroy the economy and not solve the issue either. yes, the economy will change, but it will be based on a firmer reality. sidenote: beijing, china is very polluted.
a study found a 30% mortality rate for the bejieng population due to smog/pollution. that means 3 in 10 people in bejieng will die because of pollution. the implication for the other 7 in 10 people would be sickness and a large impact on their quality of life. the chinese are going after their own chinese dream, which is great, but the reality of pollution and global warming are catching up and i believe china will have no choice but to address these and other issues and slow down.

we do not need people in our us govt. who deny climate change and stand in the way
of those who think we ought to solve the global warming issue by reducing coal and oil use and c02 emissions. i think more republicans need to stand up and acknowledge the good job pres. obama has done by getting us to this point and support action on global warming.

a large number of republicans and tea partyers have now been branded as a bunch of racists(filled with hate and ignorance). i believe everyone has a bit of a racial bias when it comes to others and to a certain degree this is normal and acceptable. but when this bias is too high it becomes racist and these people are filled with too much hate and ignorance, then these people should not be listened to in my opinion. hate and ignorance lead to war and injustices. we all need love, but these racists need a little love to help rid themselves of hate and ignorance. again, some racial bias is normal and life experiences can add some additional racial biases, but when hate and ignorance distort reality racism becomes a problem for the person holding false views and for society as a whole.

america has to stop ignoring global warming and take action. the us govt cannot keep putting off until after the next never ending election and fundraiser. we need to set a new us govt policy- immediate 20% reduction in use of oil and 50% reduction in coal. (maybe more)
this way the senators and congressman can decide to stay in office or drop out and the people running for office can know what this new reality is and see if there views can accept this reality. our economy and our environment will see a change and we need the best people we can get to lay the groundwork. we don;t need corrupt senators and congressman who steal from the us govt along with lobbyist and insiders and pretend they are self made men living the american dream. i think republicans are in trouble this midterm election if they run a bunch of ignorant climate deniers and hateful racists. i think the kind of people who ought to run should be people who understand climate change is real and america and the world are changing. we want people who will govern and manage things well so the majority of people get their needs met and the majority of people can be free of the tyranny of the few(corrupt govt. and energy companies and ignorant elites).


here is my unverified fantastic claim that i think is true, basically meaning my understanding
of what is going on with global warming melting the polar ice caps. i think the polar ice
caps have something to do with regulating the temperature of our climate. i think we our using and wasting too much fossil fuels and other co2 contributors. i think we are melting the polar ice caps due to too much burning of fossil fuels and co2 emmisions. i think we need
to cut our use of fossil fuels and co2 editors. i think by doing this the polar ice caps will stop melting in a few years and our climate will improve remarkably. i think a cooler climate(achieved by cutting use of fossil fuels and co2 emissions) is the only sustainable climate and the best climate. we waste so much energy in america and we have so little to
show for all this wasted energy. america is not managing its natural resources well.

the us govt has to start regulating the energy section. oil/energy companies in other countries and in america have now become the biggest obstacle to peace and justice in the
world today. oil companies make deals with corrupt governments in every single country.
a few people take all the money and the locals and surrounding communities and states see very little. all the benefits go to a few, but all the problems go to everyone else. it is time
for everyone to wake up and realize global warming is caused by fossil fuels and it is not just for the few to benefit. we need to consider oil money as for the people money now.

simply put. the 2 main reasons america has to change.
if america does not cut fossil fuel use and co2 emissions the polar ice caps will
continue to melt and oif the ice continues to melt it might be impossible to stop and we will all
be fucked. and i am not talking about 100 or 200 years from now. it will be unimaginatively bad for every single living being much sooner. we know global warming is causing the polar ice caps to melt and we have no technology available now or in the near term to cut the causes of global warming, so the only solution is to cut fossil fuels and co2 emissions.

wars make no sense. if for some reason, that makes no sense, world war 3 starts, we will
all be fucked. it will be unimaginatively bad for every single living being. as long as the world lacks peace and justice, the world will continue to be very unstable. too much corruption
and greed has led to the few with too much control over money and resources, which has led
to huge numbers of people lacking the basics of food and shelter and security.

stable governments are ones which manage resources and money well. any country with
a few elites and large amounts of people lacking the basics of food, shelter and security,
will be unstable. what i see as the main problem of the middle east is the few taking all
the oil wealth and large amounts of the population left completely out of sharing in the benefits. even worse is when religion is used to try and justify these actions as something other than greed and corruption and ignorance of the few. before the arab spring, people could not speak up without risking the wrath of middle east oil regimes, so terrorists sprung
up and spoke out and attacked america, since it was complicit with these regimes. america should have made sure these middle east regimes spent oil wealth on all the citizens , but if they did that, the american people might demand the american oil companies spend american oil wealth on all of america's citizens. this is the reality in my view of why the world is lacking in peace and justice and is so unstable and has led to a denial of global warming.

my vision of the future is one in which america works together to get rid of excessive wealth concentrated in the few and gets rid of as much poverty as possible. we try to get to a point where everybody has the basics of food and shelter and security. this future is only possible if we take the action necessary to cut fossil fuels and co2 emissions and american citizens learn what being a good citizen consists of. the idea of taking care of all our citizens. america citizens need to get back to the idea of contributing to the common good and not just taking.
social injustices have put enormous pressures on large parts of the population just to survive, let alone be able to be concerned with the common good. we need to take the man made pressures off large segments of the population, so these people have the freedom to live their lives without tyranny and injustices stifling their growth. people need a decent environment and a fair amount of time to flower. we need to protect our children from social evils and our children need to remember all good children deserve favor.


stock market update. i am not opposed to the stock market and i would like to see the stock
market continue, but i do feel the market is broken and needs to be updated. america is 17 trillion dollars in debt. the market crash of 2008 required huge amounts of public money to
be spent. the govt(treasury, fed reserve, etc.) actively participated with private individuals and public companies to manipulate who would be bailed out and how they would be bailed out. even today after all these years, something does not sit right about this, but as i mentioned earlier, i would like to see a free market without any manipulation continue into the future. people who work hard or who have money like to save some of that money. so every month americans put money into the stock market. this fact alone makes part of the stock market a bit of a ponzi scheme as long as americans continue to put money into the market every month. im not saying there is anything necessarily wrong with this, just pointing out a ponzi scheme works as long as new money keeps coming in, but with the stock market, this money people invest is then put to work to make more money for the people who work in the market and the investors. i am just doing a simple sketching here, so i am leaving some stuff out. my issue with the market is how the money is invested. it seems only a few are benefiting from the money americans are investing. but the american people bailed out wall street with public money, so the public should see some of the benefits of the stock market, through better investments by wall street that actually go to local communities and actually help them.
for this to work, everyone involved will have to become more concerned with the actually well being of others. instead of the hate and ignorance and greed we come up against from those who don't want to change. people will have to learn to become more peaceful and loving and understanding. when the us govt. cuts fossil fuel use the economy is going to change. the stock market will then change as well. part of the ponzi scheme nature of the stock market,
more energy = more growth, will no longer be valid. the stock market will have to adapt this
change and i am sure other changes as well. either the stock market can deal with this on its
own or the us govt. will have to step in and make sure through regulations and if need be manipulations, to make sure the market can work through this. sidenote: clearly the us govt and the stock market are intertwined. i am sure govt. officials and private individuals are sharing information. the govt. is telling people on wall street what it is doing and people on wall street tell the govt. what it wants from the govt. they are sharing this information privately, before the public is told.

** the most important point i am trying to make is: the key to everything and the first step toward a solution to global warming and a host of other issues is for america to cut the use of fossil fuels and cut co2 emissions. if the oil and coal and other industries don't want to go along with this, the us govt. will have to order/mandate the cuts and enforce the cuts with
the full weight of the govt. behind them.
even though i got a c in physics, i am pretty sure physics will back me up on this. if we continue to let the polar ice caps melt, the speed with which the ice will melt will speed up a lot quicker than we think and the climate will become more unstable and more hostile for human beings and will get out of hand a lot sooner than 100 years and a lot sooner than people think. we are already experiencing a more unstable and hostile climate and people concerned with the environment have been trying to explain this to the us govt. for years.
you cannot fight global warming or expect to adapt to global warming. we have run up against the law of nature. if the climate heats up the polar ice caps melt and the climate becomes more hostile.
we need to accept mother nature knows what she is doing. mother nature is using the polar ice caps to regulate a healthy climate for human beings to live. by burning so much fossil fuels over the last 100 years, plus burning so much currently, we reached a tipping point 20 years ago and by taking no action we have reached where we are today. if we cut our fossil fuel use we will find a level of fossil fuel use which is sustainable and keeps our climate
healthy for us.

ignoring global warming and the causes of global warming is ignoring reality.
ignoring causes of human suffering , especially the main cause of poverty, which is
the few taking so much, which always means a lot of other are left with very little. to me,
it doesn't matter how the few got so much, what matters is this always means, a lot are left with not enough. this problem has been confounded by the oil wealth of the last 50 years and has gotten much worse recently, especially considering all the problems associated with too much burning of fossil fuels. the oil boon of the last 50 years with the energy and wealth it has brought has changed societies quite a bit. along with tv and internet and other forms of communication, the average person can get all the information needed to connect the dots of economic injustices being committed on a daily basis, due to the unwillingness of govt,(composed of citizens) to do anything about it. this has been going on for at least a couple thousand years(there may have been some decent govt. before recorded history) with no govt. every addressing this issue<if> i believe this is basic law of human nature.


i am sharing this view, which i consider the wise view, and the only wise thing for the govt. to
do is accept this view and act on it. wisdom requires action. wisdon is knowing the right thing to do and the right action to take to get a good outcome. slowly and hopefully surely , the govt. seems to be coming around to this view. the govt. has to remember it is 20 years behind in some respects due to lack of action and has been up against a tremendous amount of misinformation and also too much information. too much information and too much misinformation are 2 things that are possibly preventing the govt from seeing what is happening and what actions it ought to take.

i don't know why some people did not listen to al gore when he came our with the movie.
al gore acted with honor when he conceded in an election that was disputed.
instead of republicans in us govt. listening to the experts and/or learning about global warming and why we need to cut fossil fuel use, the republicans seemed willing to do anything so no action is taken to cut fossil fuel. the republicans have now been branded as ignorant racist, which clearly some of them are. ignorant because they are wrong about global warming and the need to cut fossil fuels. racist because they have not dealt with civil rights. instead of just accepting they were wrong and accepting the reality of global warming and instead of just accepting in america we are all born equal and we all have rights, they hold onto to hate and ignorance which are both not good. if the republicans would just accept global warming and the need to cut fossil fuels and accept they need to work on being more loving and respectful toward all people they will be forgiven their transgressions and then all americans can work on being better citizens for their own sake and for the sake of others. i would always encourage people to choose love and wisdom instead of hate and ignorance.

so i think pres. obama now has the moral authority to act on cutting fossil fuel use.
i think he should act before the election, sooner rather than later. this should be the new reality and incoming senators and congressman should know this. we don't need to elect any more climate denyers or racist to govt.
i think the pres. should also act to more or less stop deportations. republicans have indicated
a willingness to pass some sort of immigration reform, so i think this is enough for pres obama
to stop deportations.

the reason i think the govt. should accept my plan is this is very serious and we want to make
sure this leads to peace and justice and not a global economic crash or world war 3. these are very real possible outcomes of this if this is not handled in the wisest way possible. i repeat i have not had any contact with the govt. up to this point, so i will not take any responsibility for any consequences if i am not personally consulted by the govt. to provide the wisdom i possess in this matter. cutting fossil fuel use is the only possible solution and it is bound to have all sorts of consequences, but guided by wisdom we can work this out peacefully and with justice.

we have options. we can deal with a global economic decline of 25%. we will just have to
distribute the 75% more broadly. we will still have rich and poor people, but we will have to
take more from the top 0.5% and regulate industries more and people are going to have to dig deep and find the better part of their nature's. remember, most people will be too busy to notice any interruption in their lives, if this is done right. this is the only way if we want things to be better in the future. ignoring the reality of global warming and doing nothing about it will never lead to a better future. the only way to a better future is to accept global warming and
take the wisest action we can come up with.

after the govt. announces the cuts to fossil fuels, the govt. can deal with the consequences.
can the coal industry survive. i think it can, but i think it needs to be cut at least 50%.
i don't know exactly how much we need to cut coal use, but i know it has to be at least about
50% and maybe more once the experts way in on this. remember, i think i am about 70% wise
so i think it is always a good idea to get a second opinion. most of what i say about fossil
fuels is shared by many experts and probably a majority of people if given the correct info.
coal will probably be around in the future but either highly regulated or taken over by the govt.
will oil industry survive. i think it will be around for the future although i think it will need to be more highly regulated by govts. oil will need to be cut at least 25% maybe more after the experts way in. i think the future of energy will include more solar energy for sure and probably more wind energy as well. i do not think we should build anymore nuclear plants.
once we stop letting the private energy companies, whose main purpose is profit, to stop dictating to the govt. how energy should look in america and the govt. starts regulating energy for the public good, we will see a growth of alternatives and innovation while continuing, at least in the near term, to use fossil fuels.


i am not against the top 0.5% or rich people or anyone for that matter. i have pointed out
that concentrating too much wealth at the top is bad for everyone. over the last 10-20 the wealth in this country has changed and it has been concentrated at the top and has not trickled down. i am not looking for billionaires to have some sort of downfall. i would like for them to see there is a need for constructive participation

america has been so badly managed the past 20 years and the first step in changing course for a more peaceful and loving and understanding country and a sustainable planet for human beings is to cut the use of fossil fuels. the reality is the oil,gas,electric,coal,water industries will all have to be more regulated and possible taken out of private control. these industries are mainly concerned with profits, so they have no reason to limit waste or take responsibility for the problems they have created by being managed badly.

america does not have a healthy or sustainable economy currently. a majority of people in america are needlessly suffering do to corruption and greed and ignorance or to put it more kindly, a resistance to change. the people who try and defend corruption, greed, igonorance
by denying global warming or denying that there is such a thing as a better economy are going to fail. the koch brothers spend their money to get other people to spread lies and ignorance about the reality of global warming, because if the koch brothers were called before
congress and forced to testify about their views on global warming, they would look like the idiots they are, if they deny the polar ice caps are melting due to greenhouse gases. the koch brothers are basically just a couple of billionaires who risk being turned into full on dbags if they don't change course. there are people who are struggling to make a living and we have a bunch of billionaires complaining.

climate change causes a more hostile climate. it does not cause a cold area of the world to become some nice warm tempature or some hot area of the world to become some nice cool tempature. global warming will cause more hostile climates everywhere and for everyone.
the polar ice caps are what keep our planets climate cool enough for life and we are now melting the polar ice caps and have now effected the climate adversely. i am saying we should listen to the scientist and experts who have studied the issue and we should also
lsiten to me(wisdom is knowing what to do and what action to take) and listen to the majority of americans who want to see change. we have no choice but to cut fossil fuels and accept a new economic model which will bring about more peace and prosperity and happiness for more citizens of america and for more people around the world as well.

i will mention i have received no financial support for writing this,and i have no contact with anyone from the govt. or any other groups or organizations. i have written this for my own peace of mind.

pulled from the headlines.
not to pick on donald sterling, but i would like to point something out here. i think he should be forced to sell the team and donate his half of the sale price to pay for community improvements. he is a billionaire and we need people to step up and try to make a difference
in other peoples lives. he has the money and he needs to make amends for what he said
so its a win win situation. the money could pay to rehabilitate neighborhoods and people. maybe donald sterling could set an example of what a large infusion of money can do for people in need of basics like food and shelter and education and work and freedom from fear and want.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By turpentine station (Bornin69) on Friday, August 01, 2014 - 01:37 pm: Edit Post

Be happy
Think good thoughts
Love is the answer

I showed 2 paintings in a local public art exhibition in june. It was good
exposure and a good experience. I did not sell anything and I did not
get a commission to do a painting, which was something I thought I
could get. I actually talked to another person about a commission and
I felt like I was close to getting one , but I didn't close a deal.
I took a bit of a crash after this, waking up without cash credit or
any income. i will scrap by and things will work out for me, but I don't
know how or when, but in the meantime no one ought to expect anything
from me due to lack of funds.

I think the first thing the us govt ought to do is approve my plan. It
turns out my plan is just how to full fill LBJ's great society plan,
taking into account current events, and renaming it the
good/decent/civic society filled with good/decent/civic citizens plan.
If the us govt. wants to go slow, we could start the plan in california and get the ball rolling. California has a lot of important decisions to make about its present condition and its future condition.
The federal govt ought to legalize marijuana and let the states
regulate it. We should end the war on marijuana and the 750,000 arrests
a year and any stigma associated with being a marijuana user. The
federal govt has to consider something else besides continuing the war
on drugs as is. The war on drugs is causing lots of problems around
the world and continuing the war is not the answer.
just because a kid smokes some weed, this does not mean they have a drug problem and require treatment.
Israel ought to accept peace with Palestine including Hamas is the only
way forward that will work out well for Israel. The international
community does not accept the lies and murder(4 Palestine kids bombed
near the beach witnessed on TV) and I don't think America will much
longer. Israel will not get what it wants through war, it will only
get what it wants through peace. Israel and palestine ought to sign a
peace plan which Includes everyone for the time being.
The us govt. should sanction the isreali govt. and cut off all assistanceas long as it continues with the lies and indiscrimanate killing of civilians.we have been down this road of occupation for 45 years and it is wrong to continue it and it will also not work, which is the other reason not to support it. Isreal should end the occupation of palestine and give them back the land they took and let palestine build the future without interference or control from isreal. this is the only way i would support isreal and thisis the only way i think the us govt ought to support isreal. once isreal stops theoccupation and lets palestine rebuild, palestine and hamas should be held accountablefor any violent actions toward isreal and america should support isreal ifthere are problems, which i doubt there will be. Isreal should leave hamas alone.the isreali govt. is standing in the way of peace in the region and the world by its failed policies. peace is the way foward and isreal should not be supported by the us.govt until it accepts peace. the world is not going to forget the war crimes beingcommitted by isreal or any other countries. i am not saying palestine is totally innocent in this, but the fact is, isreal is the occupier and isreal bears more responsibilityto end this and give palestine back the land they took from them.while i semi supported russia and putin earlier, russians action in the east of ukraine are harder to support. ukraine and russia ought to be able to work out these issueswithout the violence that is happening in the east of ukraine. the whole crimea thingis probably going to have to be re-thunk. while i am not totally opposed to russias annexationof crimea, due to russias military ships being in crimea, i dont know if ukrainians will accept this or the international community and it will probably hurt the crimea economy in the long term.first things first though is to try and stop the violence in ukraine.calling all these groups or people around the world who you do not like terrorists is not helpful.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By turpentine station (Bornin69) on Sunday, December 14, 2014 - 05:23 pm: Edit Post

First off, in case I forget, I would like to wish everyone a joyful christmas / joyful holiday season.

Getting right down to the business at hand, this 2014 spending bill going through congress right now is garbage and I would never put my signature on this bill.
This spending bill is insane. It is basically the same spending bill we have had the last six years. We were 18 trillion dollars in debt 6 years ago and we are 18 trillion dollars in debt in 2014. This spending bill is part of the problem and does not address many serious issues facing america. Almost 700 billion dollars of the 1.1 trillion dollar bill go to the military. 700 billion dollars is more than the next top 10 defense budgets of other countries. This sends the wrong message to the rest of the world, but more important it has devastating consequences on the poor and the middle class of america.. not only is this budget insanity^2 it is an immoral document as well.
There is no new domestic spending in this budget.
There is no mention of global warming in this budget or any money allocated for the global warming issue. In fact there is a section specifying no money can be used on any green or sustainable housing.
This budget is mean spirited.
There is no money in the budget for new job creation.
No money in this budget to help our black communities.
No money in the budget to help our immigrants.
There is a part in the budget that breaks an indian treaty and takes land from the indians.
There is the wall street give away putting the tax payer on the hook for wall streets greed and recklessness.

There is no tax reform in the budget. No solution to the banks and wall street owing americans homes due to unaffordable mortgages and not american citizens owning there own homes.

The American people are looking for either the pres or the dems or the repubs to stand up to the the corporations and the rich folk who are turning America into something it is not. The American people are being oppressed and the 63% of people who did not vote, along with some dems and repubs have had enough. The American people want the police to be more like community service officers who work with the people and our on their side as opposed to tools of oppression.


Ny gov. and ny congress passed a law, to allow people who bought 90 million dollar apartments in nyc, to have there property tax bills lowered from $230,000 dollars a year to $20,000 a year. No wonder the police killed an unarmed black male for selling untaxed single cigarettes, they need the revenue.


The fact is, a lot of wall street is about selling tax evasion derivititives. These derivatives have no real value or benefit to the american public. There only purpose is so the rich and corporations can avoid taxes.
Wall street is also about money laundering. The fact is wall street is used by foreign organized crime and foreign billionaires (think chinese insiders and russian gas billionaires) who use wall street to not only launder money, but to avoid paying american or chinese or russian taxes or european taxes.
And american companies use foreign tax havens to avoid paying american taxes. America should stop all forms of tax evasion, both foreign and domestic. America should have a flat 30% tax on all income or profits over 1 million dollars.

It might be time for england and ireland to leave the EU. The EU has done some good, but there is only so much immigration the EU can take and not risk losing each countries identity. I think immigration is good, but eventually it has to slow or stop to make sure people are being integrated and treated humanely.
England, as well as all countries have to maintain there traditions and identities as much as possible, or at least the good parts. The american immigration system also needs to slow down or stop immigration to assimilate and make sure the immigrants are being treated humanely. Ameica has to accept these immigrants are here to stay in america, for the most part and they will slowly integrate over time and they need to be giving time.

We have to remember, countries form over generations. We can not fill up california with immigrants and leave native californians with no land left to house future generations. All real estate sales and land development ought to stop in california. California will become a place with no land for future native califronians to live in state. Callifornia has to focus some resources on keeping black communities and fixing them up. I am pro immigration, but I believe we have come to a point to slow or stop it for a while and start dealing with the immigrants we have. California needs more federal money. California has the largest population and the largest immigrant population and california needs real policy and funds to humanely deal with this issue.

The us govt. is going to have to crack down on organized crime in amercia and around the world, which
Is why we need our govt. to pull together. We need a unified force and plan to do this justly. I am not talking about the drug war here. The reality is drugs are not going anywhere. We have to accept this.
We can solve this problem by ďlegaliziingĒ(this would have to be worked out) and making deals.

Lets say a russian oligarch or arab oil man has 1 billion dollars invested in wall street. America ought to tax this 1 billion dollars at 30% and tax all future income at 30%.. then america ought to talk with russia or the arab country and either give them there share of the 30% if they spend the money on poor or middle class russians or arabs. Basically the money ought to be spent on food, housing,energy needs, jobs,education, etc.
This 2014 budget is so far from the reality we are living today and it is so short sighted and unsustainable in the long run and does nothing to deal with the issues america faces today.

2 truths. Global warming is real and man made and has real consequences if we do not deal with it.
Income inequality is growing in america and is not just. We know the rich and large corporations are taking more and more and going to great lengths to avoid taxes and helping the poor and middle classes.
These are 2 of the big issues and there is nothing in this budget that deals with these or even hints that washington understands these issues and how to go about dealing with them.

My plan is simple. Deal with these 2 problems first. Get rid of the entire or most of the tax code. Tax all income or profits above 1 million dollars at 30%. Get rid of all tax deductions and tax avoidance schemes.
If too much money is collected the govt. can lower the rate, but the us govt has to let the rich and the corporations know who is in charge and the us govt has to take away the misuse of power the rich and corporations hold over the american people.
If anyone in congress does not believe global warming is real, they should be forced to leave congress.
98% of scientist say global warming is real, the issue was settled a long time ago, but has been lied about by certain corporations and politicians with very short sighted thinking.

America still has a huge problem with unaffordable mortgages that has yet to be dealt with. We have to stop wall street and the banks and the us govt. from selling out of country and selling are land to foreigners.
The chinese have already bought 10 billion of california property and 25 billion in the usa.

We need a us govt that will stand up for the sovereign nation of united states of america. We need to protect and help native americans as well as americans who have lived here for 300 years or 200 years or 100 years who have built america into what it is today through generations of hard work and sacrifice.
We need the us govt. to untangle america from foreign interference and we should not interfere in foreign affairs. We ought to help other countries and not turn them into debtor nations.

The solution to our problems will include more regulations in all areas of american life- energy, financial, health, housing,food. I say will have to use the big picture to solve these problems.

With christmas coming up, I am going to tell you the political reason why I think jesus christ was hung on the cross and killed. Jesus was handed over to the authorities because he advocated helping the poor. Jesus knew why there were poor people. Jesus knew there were poor people because the rich took more than they needed. The jews handed jesus over because they benefited from this arrangement. The jews only cared about jews, they did not care about non jews or jews who did not agree with them. This is the reason we have poor people today. We still have the rich and corporations who take more than they need and we have a govt. that does not tax them appropriately. God is not to blame for poor people. The rich and corporations and the us govt. and criminals are to blame for poor people. We need to get rid of the jewish economy we have and go to a christian economy that works for everyone and not the few.
So the cathlolic/christian message to help the poor, has to be understood to mean, the money to help the poor should come from taxing the rich and corporations and letting good christians and good jews and good blacks, etc help the poor and those in need with the money. The middle class has been squeezed too much and does not have the resources and actually needs help as well. The poor and middle classes have to stand up and demand action on this.
This is what I would say to other countries as well. Let all countries go after tax evasion and use the money to help the poor and middle class. This message has to be understood, if con men or crooks get involved it wont work. This only works if decent people/men/women of good will are involved.


The us govt has to understand I am one of the good guys and the smartest person in the room concerning global warming and economic inequality. This is a sketch of how solving thses issues will look.

In the last election in 2014, the democrats won about 18% of the vote and the republicans won about 18or 19%. 63% percent of the population did not vote. I think it is very unwise for the dems or repubs to ignore them. I am responsible for my own actions. I am not responsible for the actions of others. People have a right to self defense and self preservation. What the private sector(corporations and rich people) are doing is unjust and leading to oppressive conditions. If the us govt. does not step in and protect the poor and middle classes from the misuse of power(evil), these people have a right to defend themselves, and they could go off any minute. My plan right now is a peaceful plan and a good plan, and if the govt. does not act soon, all sorts of unpleasant things could happen. Iím talking about gloabal warming consequences and social unrest/uprisings.which I have no control over.

America is also going to have to write down the 18 trillion dollars in debt. This debt is not a moral debt.
It was built up through financial crimes.
I am giving the us govt. or corporate america or rich people until about april 2015 to take some sort of action on addressing and funding these issues. I want to see real action and real funding. If the govt. does not like my plan come up with something else, but time is running out.
I will do what I have to do see this through, whether its massive demonstrations, shutting down commerce, shutting down the govt or open rebellion or martial law(military rule). Let me just say the gloves will come off. Global warming and income inequality are now 2 truths which have seen the light of day.



Thanksgiving is a time to be thankful and grateful for all of our blessings. Christmas is a time of joy and celebration of all our blessings. It is also a time to remember there are still people in need in our communities, in our country and in the world. Lets get right size this holiday season and prepare a realistic way forward to a future filled with peace and justice.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By turpentine station (Bornin69) on Thursday, December 18, 2014 - 05:34 pm: Edit Post

I support the EU lifting sanctions against Russia. Russia had a strategic interest in seizing Crimea. This is going to take a while to figure out how to resolve and I am OK with Russian rule in Crimea as long as ukraininians interests are protected in crimea and as long as ukrainisns can still have access to beaches. Ukraine and Russian have to focus on peace and a govt. Which works for all. In the meantime Russia has to compensate Ukraine for seizing Crimea, maybe with free gas. Everyone including the EU has to look at this long term and with everything else going on in the world, sanctions confuse the real problems like Income inequality.
I would support a french decision to sell the aircraft carrier to Russia if that's what they want to do. Russia is and will continue to be a partner in world affairs.
Btw, I am not trying to pick on China or anyone else, but there are real issues in America and the world that need to be addressed and we can't ignore any elephants in the room. I actually appreciate some of the transformations going on in china and the job the Chinese govt is doing, but having said that America is not china and china should not try and copy everything America does. I want to see Chinese traditions and historical culturws continue and be preserved along with moder nation, which is what I would like all countries to do, respect there historical cultures and people while modernation happens at a slower pace in industrial countries.
The Dutch will come out looking bad not taking care of migrants/ immigrants this winter and there will be repercusuons.
If members of the senate or congress are conducting an illegal war or illegal acts against Russia they ought to be stopped. We don't need outdated members of congress or the senate conducting Charlie Wilson wars around the world.
If Pres Obama has a federal govt that can stand up to the banks and wall street and the military industrial complex he ought to do it. Let's start arresting the white collar .5% criminals and start shipping them off to newly confirmed harry Reid hanging judges.
Mitch mxconnell seems like a dupe for the Chinese govt and ought to rethink his course of action. His first action ought to be stopping foreclosures of american citizens homes and allowing the banks and wall street to sell them to china and other foriegn countries. Kentucky ought to understand Mitch is putting foreign interests ahead of American interests.
There is no reason to build keystone pipeline now.the myth that foreign oil is bad for America is a myth. Trade is part of life, we just have to do it better for all involved.
Taxing the rich and going after tax evasion and tax avoidance and tax shelters along with writing off debt around the world and starting fresh with a Christian economy is where its at.
The reality is we may have to shut down wall street and the banks for a month or so and audit the books and do a deep cleaning. Allowing immoral financial crimes against the American public and the larger world to continue will not be tolerated.
The time is getting close where people are going to have to pick a side. Do you support the side which puts god and people ahead of money, or do you choose to put money first. A Christian cannot put money before God or people. A Jew who puts money before God or people is not a Jew either.
A new day is coming. It would be nice if the govt believed me and trusted I kind of know what I'm doing.
Til next year.
Viva la revolucion.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By turpentine station (Bornin69) on Thursday, December 18, 2014 - 08:09 pm: Edit Post

If you don't understand what I say, don't worry about about it, give it some time and space.
If a person does not understand calculus, that person should not question the science and math, that tells us the global warming problem we face is real and man made and we need to take immediate action to finance and implement policy that addresses the issues.
We will need regulation guareenteed.
1 policy we ought to finance with federal money is roof top solar power for the west or sunny parts if the USA. Fed govt either builds or imports the the best solar panels and create lots of jobs installing the panels for free on rooftops. Start with California, where solar will work perfectly with existing power. Peak demand is daytime when solar works best. Its possible the govt. Might have to mandate solar for whole neighborhoods at a time. We have to show young people we are serious about this and we need something tangible. There is no reason California should not do this eight now. Other parts of America could do wind power or wave power or solar. Not every state has to take the first steps together. But the federal govt ought to fund the states ready to take action.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By turpentine station (Bornin69) on Thursday, December 18, 2014 - 09:52 pm: Edit Post

We are going to find out what's up with our govt soon. Do they think were joking or kidding around about these issues? We have given them almost 2 years to address these issues. We have given them a plan ready for approval and funding.the only thing to fear is fear itself. No decent person has anything to fear from my plan. People will still have homes, people will still have jobs, there will still be people who have more than others. We are definitely going to take some off the top and spread it around. I envision getting rid of a lot of mortgages and property taxes. People should own there homes outright without nobody coming around to take it. I envision free energy and water. We are going to tax the rich more and tax others about the same or less but give them more tangible things that benifit them.
There's no reason for oil or electric or water companies to make profit at the expense of oppressing citizens. We have evolved enough to know this. Private companies exist to make profit, not conserve energy. Private companies have put profits before the well being of people and our collective environment. These jobs are not going anywhere, but they will get different priorities when they are regulated.

The Irvine company in California should be taken over by california. This private company has fucked up southern California with its expansion and greed. For that matter all housing construction by private and public companies should stop until a new plan for the future of California and its citizens is worked out. The Irvine co is as oppressive company there is.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By turpentine station (Bornin69) on Thursday, December 18, 2014 - 11:06 pm: Edit Post

//democratic pep talk//
60 million people voted for b. Obama.
1 million people voted for m. Mcconell.
1 million people voted for j. Boehner.
Each state has 2 senators.
Each state has a certain amount of congressman based on population.
Each state has its own interests. Every state is more or less able to run its own govt how it chooses, as long as they don't run afoul of the federal govt or national norms/values.
Democrats have to run democrats who know their state but agree with democratic principles.
Democrats have to come up with some principles to stand on, so people want to vote for them.
The 63% who did not vote last election will come out to vote democratic if people think the democrat is willing to fight for them and our shared values and principles.
Democrats will lose and our country will lose if our democrats are not willing to fight for the people. If democrats are seen as bought and paid for by wall street, banks, corporations,oil, etc, the people are done supporting that and democrats in office and democrats thinking of running in 2016 better realize this.
If Obama is willing to stand up for the 63% who didn't vote and the 17% of democrats who did vote and everyone stands unified behind Obama and a federal govt ready to put a stop to the insanity of this budget. We need funding for democratic priorities, but also funds for new challenges we are facing today. We have a plan and someone willing to put it into action. Let's get rolling.
Democrats dont need dirty money to win if they run on principles like 30% flat tax on income over 1 million, but democrats in office now have to stand up and realize we are in a battle for the future of America and the future of mankind and this job should not belong to the Republican party or wall street or the banks or to corporate America. They have their own interests and their interests are not the same as the goverents interests or the peoples interests.
//talk 4 gop//
Conservative by nature don't like change which is why we are getting the same budget the last 6 years, matter how insane it is. Change is coming, let go and let god(and Obama and the dens) take charge. We for the most part respect middle America and the south and have no problem protecting the little guys and family farms and businesses and small town traditions and values, but the world is changing and we need the big boys and girls from the big states to take over the federal stuff. California and other big states are not going to sit by while little states representitives and senators abuse their power and hurt Californian citizens or any citizen or immigrant for that matter.
Once middle America and the south realize the unnessasary hurt and lies they have inflicted on American citizens by putting money above God and reason, they will have some explaining to do.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By turpentine station (Bornin69) on Friday, December 19, 2014 - 01:38 am: Edit Post

Dick Cheney is from wyoming.
40% of USA coal comes from Wyoming. All or most of it is shipped out of state. The federal govt. Ought to regulate and stop all excavation and shipment of coal in Wyoming. The federal govt. Ought to completely shut it down about April 1st of 2015.
The Democrats ought to get all remnants of dick Cheney's influence out of our govt. Especially with regards to our energy policy, but basically everything.
Our new American course starts with funding for grassroots democratic causes and of course funding for my plan.
I want a 50% reduction in military spending this year if possible. I mostly want to cut out the contractors.
We need to spend more domestically smartly and as long as were at it, morally and wisely.
I know what I am doing, which is why I insist things ate done my way. It doesn't mean I don't like input.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By turpentine station (Bornin69) on Friday, December 19, 2014 - 01:56 pm: Edit Post

Motto 4 2015
Confiscate and seperate.
Too big 2 fail means they have already failed and it also means they are just the right size to break up. Let's have the federal govt. Confiscate all bank assets and separate out exactly what assets they hold. American citizens have been harmed by unaffordable debt and foreclosures.

The federal govt ought to confiscate all Goldman Sachs assets and separate out exactly what they are holding. How much of their business is phantom and tax avoidance and tax evasion for USA clients as well as foreign clients. This should happen to all wall street firms.

Aig should be put out of business. Stock market and commodities and derivities should not be insured either by a private company or the govt. Either these things are sound investment instruments or they are not, and in that case should not be sold. Wall street should not be crooked or a ponzi scheme or tax avoidance scheme or gambling. We have to shutdown wall street and the banks for a while and open them up again after a deep cleaning. If we have to arrest and jail ceo's and officers at these corporations to do this, so be it.

The federal govt ought to confiscate all utility companies in America and make them non profit.
Supplying natural resources which belong to all citizens of America to American citizens can best be done with regulation without a profit motive.

Food and housing are basics everyone needs. The private sector has failed the middle class and the poor. The govt ought to step in and regulate housing to make sure middle class and the poor housing needs are met before allowing any new private construction. The govt has to step in and stop the greedy landlords of America bleeding large sections of America society dry.

America is not for sale.
The govt has to step in and protect our American traditions and values from being sold like a sack of potatoes. If America loses its traditions and values and deprives its own citizens of freedom, it will no longer be able to call itself America, the land of the free and home of the brave.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By turpentine station (Bornin69) on Monday, December 22, 2014 - 11:30 pm: Edit Post

Sorry, but there is a catholic church in Waikiki called St Augustine's. I wonder If the Obama's will go Christmas Eve or Christmas day?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By turpentine station (Bornin69) on Monday, December 22, 2014 - 11:59 pm: Edit Post

I'm sort of kidding about that, it does look like the pigeons are coming home to roost on the mainland, though.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By turpentine station (Bornin69) on Tuesday, December 23, 2014 - 06:07 pm: Edit Post

Everything I have written up until today is superceded by the following. I believe this is a breakthrough in the policy and the actions we need to take and the funds we will need. Nobody should be sitting at home waiting for these bills to pass and nobody should stop pursuing other avenues. If people are involved with voter registration they should continue with registering people to vote, as an example. Education and hard work have historically worked well for people trying to improve their lot in life and they ought to still be respected. America protects minority rights and what may work for the majority may not work so well for some minorities, whether we are talking race, religion, creed, or having a liberal arts degree as opposed to a business degree. We need to make sure we are not unfairly judging people who are different from us.
Congress needs to send a strong message backed by a large amount of funds to various minorities that they matter, whether it is african americans, or liberal artists or immigrants or the working poor or non-working poor, etc.

Putting solar panels on the roofs of 200,000 homes a year is basically a large part of the solution america can take on global warming. The other part is completely shutting down coal production in wyoming.
Back in september there was a huge 500,000 person global warming march in new york city. I believe the climate movement ought to see these 2 things as areas of focus and make sure these steps are taken. This does not mean all other areas ought to be ignored, but I stand behind these 2 things. Who knows what the climate deniers are going to do, but we do not need to react to there lies, since we now have a plan of action of our own, that will work and is backed by clear thinking. Mainstream media might launch a sky is falling blitz to deflect us from there participation in spreading these lies. We can hope for the best and hope clearer heads will prevail in early 2015.



5 bills the house and the senate and the president ought to pass and sign into law.
The first thing, we the people need to do is get a lobbyist or two and then get them to
Talk to a senator or a congressman to introduce the bill, as well as informing the president of these bills and getting him to do what it takes to push these through. We need someone to write up the bills as well.
As of right now, someone else is going to have to take the initiative and find a lobbyist and a congressman
To get this going. there must be a lobbyist and a congressman in california we can work with. I personally do not know any lobbyist or congressman, so I am at a disadvantage, which is why, for this to work, other people are going to have to step up. If people know congressman or lobbyist I am willing to
Meet to take care of any final touches or work out any kinks.
Once we find a lobbyist and a congressman to work with us and find someone who can actually get our plan directly to the president and his administration, we will set up a 24 hour(maybe 12 hour)7 day a week demonstration in washington dc to get passage of these bills. So, we can either work with grassroot democrats or work with protests already going on or we can start our own demonstrations, but the point is we now know what we want and are in a position to demand it. Instead of a demonstration with very general demands for change, we have very specific demands.
Passage of these bills is the way forward, to correct the wrongs and damage done by having such bad policies for the past 15 years or so and putting us on solid ground to move forward and continue the work of forming a more perfect union.

I am not going to lie to you, passing these bills will forever change america, but as god is my witness, it will be for the benefit of all. 2 or 3 of the bills must be done in the right way, with a proper ceremony and blessing. It turns out, which I think I mentioned before, I am the only one who can do 2 or 3 of these bills the way they need to be done and I am not kidding about this.

5 bills with descriptions to follow.
a) sonny boy panels inc. - this bill will include 3 billion dollarsa year for 5 years to put solar panels on 200,000 homes a year for a 5 year total of 1 million homes. This will be rolled out in about 10 western or midwest states and be totally paid for by the federal govt., meaning free to the homeowners. I figure the cost of 1 home at about $10,000 to $15,000. We will use the best panels, the most efficient and longest lasting we can get. If we have to build a plant in the usa to do it right, we will. We will be a totally independent company, with the full backing of the federal govt. and us army if needed, and we will not pay any permit fees or any taxes to local govts. And if anybody interferes with our work, the consequence will be immediate arrest. We will work with local communities and we will use already established companies if they need or want the extra work, but will we also do hiring. This is not a bottom line company, meaning creating jobs and making a profit are not the main motive in this, although they are important parts of this. The main motive with this, has to do with climate change and the benefits of clean energy done right. This project will show that clean energy done right will work as intended and will change america and the world. This project will save homeowners over 30 years about 30 billion dollars. if each houseland spends $100 dollars a month in electricity, thatís $1200 dollars a year. Multiply this by 1 million households and multiply this by 30 years and you get over 30 billion dollars. putting in solar panels will cost 15 billion dollars, so actual dollars saved will be over 15 billion dollars over 30 years.
Another point- we want the govt. to pay but we do not want the govt. to carry this out and we do not want con ed or corporate america to do this. They will not do it right. We want to do it and we want the full weight of the federal govt. behind us.

Who will be opposed to this bill. The coal industry and the power/electric companies like con edison. This will cut into there businesses no doubt. This is more of a direct threat to the coal industry, but coal is the biggest contributor to greenhouse gases, so tough luck. The coal industry has lied about this for so long and has torn apart america with these lies. Con ed might not like the scale of this and they will feel threatened, but for this to work we have to take bold and immediate action. Con ed. And the power companies will still be around with good jobs, but things are going to change there and everywhere for that matter. We will also need to work with the power companies. Problems will arise for the power companies if they do not go along with this and interfere or hinder this. Solar power of this scale will effect the financial markets and public and private companies. I believe this will lead to more regulation. Without regulations the financial markets will not understand this and markets will become unstable. It is possible homeowners might not like a mandate to force them to accept solar panels. I think most homeowners will see the benefit of having free power for 30 years. If some people really donít want the panels, we wonít force the issue, unless we have to. We would probably start with middle class homeowners that live in neighborhoods and do whole neighborhoods at a time. This program will have to be done right, so I have no choice to be in charge of seeing this through or at least getting it started. If the east coast wants to start up a wind or wave or solar program, I would support this, but I will probably not run it. I think people of california and the western states are ready for this and we need to show how clean energy done smartly and right is the way forward. I am tired of getting other states to see this. If other states go against california and the people on this, this will be considered like an act of ďwarĒ on california and the people.

B) tank # 09ís job plan- this was the original job plan offered up almost 2 years ago and ignored. It is no being resubmitted for approval. This bill will be $30 billion dollars. this bill focuses on people who have been ignored by the govt. and private businesses and also people who have been harmed by greed and corruption and judgemental people and the high cost of living and the effect its had on the poor and middle classes. There are a few sub sections in this bill. Part of the money will go to all types of artists and educated people who have been neglected in this all or nothing competitive and capitalistic system that has stopped being a benefit to so many. I would like to create an outlet for people to ďcompeteĒ with the mainstream and show people how real art differs from advertisement art. People making movies or records or art without a guy or gal in a business suit controlling them. I like the idea of a small basic income for people who want to pursue a different path than being a business person. Basically a way for some young adults to not be forced into a wrong field of work, since they arenít given enough time and money to find there way in life. I would also like to include a basic income for women, so they are not forced into making bad decisions because so many men have made bad decisions. I also believe monks and nuns and priests and possible others, fall into the category of people who may need a basic income so they can be given time to find there way in life. Another category will be to help rebuild americaís black communities. I would like to see black america seen as more of a national treasure. Lets make sure black communities have the basics like food and decent housing and energy needs and schooling and jobs. I would like to go into a community and set up shop and have the funds available to get the job done. I see taking over whole neighborhoods and buying all the land and getting rid of all rents and expenses and basically get rid of everything that hasnít worked and doing stuff that will work better. Once people get the basics and get rid of all the pressures and oppression the govt. and corporations have used in the past, black communities will thrive. Black people will still have to take personal responsibility for the lives they create, but they will have a better foundation to work with. This is not a pie in the sky plan.
We want to keep blacks who are climbing the ladders of success to keep up and not fall back. We believe in integration, but the future I see will still have black neighborhoods in it. We are not going to be building mansions on the hill for every black person in america. Another category will start a global warming ďthink tankĒ to monitor global warming and make recommendations to the govt. we will also start a ďwatch over americaĒ think tank which will make sure american govt. or american corporations are walking the line and not abusing their power and oppressing americans or innovation.
And we will also come up with ideas to reshape our military to get rid of the military industrial complex and shape a military where honor can be achieved and kept forever.

c) the democrats/president obama infrastructure and rebuild American roads and bridges, etc bill.
This bill will be about $300 billion dollars. I will most likely not be involved with this. This is not my area of expertise. It seems self explanatory and will create lots of jobs and is sorely needed. If there is oversight to cut down fraud and waste there is no reason this will not be successful. There is no point in passing this bill without passing the 2 above bills though. This bill will not help me and will not help lots of other people, so we need to pass all of these bills. I will not be satisfied and will continue doing what I am doing until funds are made available for all of these bills. This bill alone will not satisfy my demands.

d)this is an american communities bill. This will be ~105 billion dollars. most likely I will not be apart of this bill. This will include money for all sorts of grassroot organizations to improve american communities. There will be sections that deal with getting money to organizations whether they are church groups or grassroot groups that in turn help local communities. I am sure a lot of people have a lot of good ideas, so they will have more to say on the subject. I see focuses on housing, food, school, jobs. I see focus on immigrants and making sure they have enough to live humanely and are being treated humanely. I see a focus on groups finding out what poor communities and the people who there need to improve their lot in life and get rid of unnaturally pressures and oppression. There will be a foucus on black communities and minority communities as well as lower middle class and middle class communities. New housing, money to fix up old housing, jobs and job training.
Another section will deal with buying as much of america as we can to make sure it is not sold to foreign countries or developed by short sighted developers who donít see the consequences of there actions. for this to be done right, I may need to be a part of this. I want to buy as much of america as possible to keep it from being overdeveloped or sold to foreign countries. I want to buy farms and houses and main street america and rural areas not already protected and keep it from falling into the wrong hands. I would like to get rid of all property taxes and rents or mortgages on this land. This land will be bought by america for americans forever. I believe the american govt. should not be paying rents on any property and I would eventually like to see all rents and mortgages and property taxes removed for most or all americans, as well. Rents and property taxes in america have gotten ought of control and have greatly contributed to everyone being squeezed.

e) contribution to united nations fund to help poorer countries deal with climate change. 50 billion dollars. I believe the united nations has a 100 billion dollar campaign to help poorer nations. This will send a strong message to the rest of the world america is serious about climate change and we are serious about taking action and supplying funds. This will also send a strong message to the financial markets around the world. All of these above bills will send the right message to americans and the rest of the world as to americans faith in the future and making the necessary investments and actions.

63% of Americans did not vote in the last election. If we have 200 million eligible voters, this would be 126 million people who did not vote. My feeling is this is about the number of people left out of the last budget passed in 2014. Congress totally ignored the voices of 126 million people. These 5 bills will help america right the ship and it will make things better for all, even those who voted(I voted). Congress needs to send an immediate message to african americans that america cares about them and we are willing to supply funds to right some wrongs. These protests going on right now have more to do with just police shooting black people. We need to give black people hope that things will be worked out. We cannot just throw money at the problem and expect to solve it. We need to know what has failed in the past and what may or may not be working now as well as try my approach. My approach is give people the basics, without the threat of taking it all away and overtime lives will improve. We are not just going to give people stuff or money and walk away, we have to stay until it takes off, about 3-5 years.

I repeat here, I am not able to do this on my own. We will need to get congress people and lobbyists and the president involved. We will have to put up some demonstrations if our demands are not met by about april 1, 2015. We need funding and congress controls the purse strings. We either need lobbyist or congress people or the president to push these bills. Between now and april 1 2015 we need to be heard and get our message across, especially the sonny boy panels bill. I need concrete evidence that congress has been made aware of our bills and whether they accept or reject them. They need to be made aware that rejection of these will be considered like an act of ďwarĒ on california and its citizens and america.

They should have been made aware of this almost 2 years ago. They should have been cutting the military budget in half, raising the taxes on the .5% to at least a minimum of 30%, they should have been getting rid of corporate tax loopholes and stopping corporate tax evasion. So now we are done compromising our values and principles and we want this Ĺ trillion or 500 billion in new spending passed immediately or before april 1, 2015 and we can figure out how to pay for it later.

Theoretically, I suppose google and apple could donate a billion dollars each and fund the solar panel idea or the state of california could fund it and get it done, but I believe global warming is a national issue and the federal govt. has to realize this, plus the solar panel idea will change the energy industry and have an effect on the idea of what is an economy and financial markets, so the federal govt. ought to take the lead.
If they pass, I suppose we should see if the state of california or private or public companies want to get behind it. California has to realize rising see levels will effect the whole coastline and all the coastlines of america, which is why I donít understand why more wealthy californians who live on the coast donít appreciate this. Global warming is already causing different weather patterns than what we have seen and global warming is already killing part of the ocean due to too much carbon dioxide in the ocean. Income inequality is also something that will only get worse if we donít take action. Believe it or not, the solar panel idea plus these other bills will help to solve these problems. California has to wake up to the fact that it has been attacked by outside interests intent on keeping the status quo.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Goes to shows (Bornin69) on Thursday, March 26, 2015 - 05:28 pm: Edit Post

I am trying to bring this episode on the philzone to a conclusion. I believe my work here is done for the most part. No one has gotten in contact with me and I have not gotten in contact with anyone. I have tried to present my views as an intelligent way forward for the united states. I have expressed a willingness to work with the Obama administration or even the CIA. I believe the CIA needs and American govt. needs to respect the rights of minorities and minority opinions more than they have. We need a govt. that respects the views of environmentalists more. Not all environmentalists are equal and not all opinions are equal, hence the CIA needs a better barometer of what constitutes intelligence in the 21st century. Peace and justice, respect for life and liberty, respect for all people, focus on food and shelter, education and work free from slave like conditions, end to oppression and fear mongering and war mongering. Respect and monetary support for the arts and humanities with an understanding that not all work cannot be measured in monetary terms. An end to the greed and inequality that are destroying our basic American values. We need to put an end to the govt. threatening to starve large segments of the population, especially the black community, every single year, by threatening to cut off food stamps for people. America sends food every year to iran, but threatens americans with starvation in the hopes that will get them to work. Republicans ought to be forced to travel to places where others are starving or do not have enough to eat and see for themselves why people who are starving or without enough food, do not have the energy to work.
The crimes of republicans and others in govt. and of large corporations have been exposed and republicans views are not holding water anymore. Corrupt American govt. has been exposed. We know the oil and coal and energy corporations have been lying and corrupting our govt. for years. The oil industry is the #1 reason for corruption and strife in the world. People who are holding onto these false ideas are becoming unhinged and exposed. We ought to get rid of the world oil market and let countries make whatever deals they want with the people with oil. Deals that benefit the people and not the oil industry. The world oil market exist so oil insiders can manipulate and steal from the people. We need oil deals that benefit all sides and all people. America ought only by oil from countries that spend a minimum of 30% of revenue on the whole population, with a focus on providing food and shelter and education to people who have been left out of oil money, like minority populations or the less fortunate. America should do its part to get rid of the corrupt energy oligarchs and princes, who ignore large segments of their popuations or even regions. Oil money should be spent on regions without oil profits, so these regions do not become unstable and threaten the regions with oil profits.
Without knowing what the insiders of govt. know, I cannot continue to react to every wrong thing I think the govt. is doing. If the govt. is not wiling to hash things out with me, they are more or less own their own. I do reserve the right to speak up, if I feel a reason to speak up, but I am not going to continue to react to every wrong or idiotic thing people in the govt. or private individuals do.
Blessed are the peacemakers, for they shall inherit the earth.



Pope francis calls for abolishing the death penalty. I am going to have to agree with him on this due to the nature and depth of injustice in america. It is very hard to apply a just punishment in an unjust world. If we lived in a world where peoples basic needs of food and shelter were met, and peoples basic human rights to life and liberty were met, we would be living in a different society.
I am going to have to take back any previous references to ďhanging judgesĒ and any other comments that might have been inferred to mean, I support executions. I am not looking for revenge, I am looking for an end to private individuals and private and public corporations corrupting our govt. officials for there sole benefit to the detriment of the american people. The corruption has spread and infiltrated every facet of american life, but this is not what is going to send people to jail, the cover-up, if it continues, is what is going to send these people to jail.
Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable. John f. kennedy
Although I have no intention to resort to violence, I donít speak for the 100 million americans who are being treated as second class citizens and have there basic human rights violated everyday by a corrupt govt. controlled by a few elites and the oil industry.
I am out of the loop. If the govt. does not accept the help I offer, there is nothing more I can do on an open forum. I do not know why the govt. is doing what it is doing, since I am not in the loop. Since I donít understand what the govt. is doing because I am out of the loop, its hard to offer any more suggestions. CIA stands for central intelligence agency. Do they have so much intelligence they cant use anymore.
We know for a fact the oil and coal and energy companies in this country have spread lies and deceit to confuse the issue of global warming. This is one reason we need strong independent govt. scientist to protect the public interests, from paid liars. The republican and right wing agenda is starting to crack and we are definitely seeing these people becoming unhinged. Some of the things republicans and right wingers are saying and doing are not going to be forgotten and these people are not going to be able to continue with spreading lies and deceit and think they can get away with it.

Republicans have so much faulty thinking about how things work. I have been trying to point out areas where I think they are most wrong, as well as trying to convince them there is a better way to move forward. We are seeing before our eyes who the worst of the war mongers are in america and the world. If we do not stand up to them and take away the power(evil) of these people now while we have the chance, this infection of injustice and war will spread. It is not in americaís best interest to act in half measures. We need a full measure of action, by our democraticly elected govt. to take away the power(evil) of these individuals and corporations, who spread lies and deceit and cause all sorts of evils in america and around the world. Why and how do these misguided people think they can solve all the problems around the world, when they canít even see or solve the problems facing americans. Why do they continue to try to fix other govts. Around the world, when ours has its own problems. The war mongers and energy corporations and other corporations have put their monetary interests above the interests of the american people.
We can cut our military budget in half and be safer and create a more peaceful world.
Innovation is america is not going to happen as long as we continue to keep the status quo and the problem with the status quo is its not working.
I want to see a publically financed election this year. I do not want to see a bunch of bullshit ads paid for by a bunch of lying sacks of shit, so we end up with a bunch of corrupt govt. officals like we have now.
There is no reason we cant keep unfit people ought of this election. There is no reason we cant have a slate of reasonable democrats and republicans and independents or whatever, who can make there case civilly why they are fit to lead and what kind of future they see.
Even though I donít believe voting is enough to avoid America falling apart, we ought to make an effort to get all people to vote, if we have an election in 2016. Things are messed up and if we donít start listening to more reasonable and more intelligent and less corrupt people, I feel we will face some upheaval in America, possible violent. I have been espousing a peaceful and just way forward, but if no one in govt. listens, well ya know, shit happens.
Changing our energy sector in america through regulation will be good for our economy. I firmly believe we have to cut our coal use by 40% immediately and we have to cut our oil use as well. We are not going to get the innovation we need to be successful and survive the future, without putting a stop to the energy sector leading america. The oil industry wants to control the entire worlds oil supply. The oil industry is the source of most of the wars and injustice in america and around the world.
Saudi arabia has the ďbestĒ oil and probably the most oil in the world. Every country wants oil and saudi arabia wants to sell it. Why cant obama make a deal with saudi arabia for oil. America will pay $40 a barrell, as an example(lets set a fair price for both sides). We could get rid or the world oil market which is rigged and can so easily be manipulated and unfair. We have to make sure trade is fair around the world and benefits all sides and all the people, not the few.
Americaís economy must change to reflect the reality of global warming and income inequality. Confronting these issues responsible will not damage the economy, but will strengthen and grow and make it more fair and better for everyone. We need a full measure federal and state response and we as a country need to be united that we are doing the right thing. The federal govt. and California cannot wait any longer. We need immediate action and financial support to do this right. The people who donít understand or deny the problems of global warming and income inequality will come onboard over time, once the federal govt and California act.
Obama has all the power he needs with the 14th amendment to take decisive action. Republicans have been undermining Americas best interest for the past 6 years. They have been exposed as shills. A number of them could be charged with suspicion of sedition, imo, and sent to Guantanamo bay to be rehabbed and brought back to sanity.
With it being lent, now is the time for wrongdoers and all people to repent. Jesus saves. This statement means different things to different people, but for me means a return or reconnect with a more wholesome life based on the 10 commandments and freedom from alcohol or drugs if they are distorting ones thinking and actions too much. A life not solely based on consumption and material possessions, while disregarding the suffering this seems to cause others. Over consumption and an over materialistic view definitely are causes of others suffering. The poverty in America and around the world is partly due to allowing billionaires and the financial crimes of international bankers in America and around the world. These people as well as the war mongers steal from the less fortunate and the middle class with the help of corrupt govts.
As long as there is life, there is hope. We need to keep hope alive for young people and keep them on a path toward a healthy and happy life filled with blessings. I am probably more open minded than some people, but I also believe in the basics. We have to keep the idea of love and marriage and living an honest life a reality for young people. There is so much on tv and the internet and in schools that make it so easy for young people to go astray, whether its violence or random sex(stdís) or shortcuts to material possessions or conforming to hateful ideas. Having said all this, I do believe in redemption for people who go astray, while at the same time, I believe it best not to go astray. This is the 21st century and we have to accept this.
I believe Americaís Sodom and gammoroh was the 1980ís crack and aids crisisís. we learned the damage drugs can do and we learned the damage sex and stdís can do. I believe hiv was partly a response to out of control sex, among gay people, but also straight people. We know stdís are real and we know the damage that drugs can do is real. Most have moved on. The evangelicals want to continue to blame gays for what is a corrupt govt. problem and lack of action on global warming and inequality problem.
In America all people have rights, whether you agree with them or not. We have to respect the rights of women, lbgt community, people of all colors, and people who smoke weed, etc. as long as they do not infringe on the rights of others. America will never go back and allow the worst of the excesses of the 1980ís but some individuals are always going to push the envelope, whether for good or bad. America is becoming more tolerant of minority populations and this should not be stopped by hateful and ignorant people, who hate people just because they are different.
sex is mostly a health issue for me, but it is also partly a ďreligiousĒ issue as well. We need a healthy population. If people get hurt from sex, we should help mend them and educate them about what has historically worked, like monogamy or marriage or protection or abstinence. Personally, I believe a lot more in love than I do sex. I donít believe heterosexual men ought to have homosexual sex and I am not even sure if I believe in homosexual sex. These views are fairly standard views, so if people want to experiment or ignore these views, they will have to suffer the consequences if there are any. I am not interested in policing peoples bedrooms and I donít think anyone else ought to either, unless we are talking about predators or coercion.
Gays and lesbians and transgender ought to be accepted and protected in society. as long as things donít get to out of hand. These communities have dealt with a lot of the issues that arise and the larger society ought to work with them to avoid these people being preyed on or discriminated against or for the spread of diseases.
Women need to be respected. I believe we need more national women groups who speak for what is important for women in the 21st century. I do not think any rape is acceptable . with regard to date rape or acquaintance rape or school rape or alcohol rape, I think all rape should be reported and names ought to be kept in a database. If someones name keeps popping up, they may be a predator and should be penalized. Rape is not a normal thing. Violence toward women is not normal. Women who have been wronged have to do what they can to avoid being a lifetime victim. America has to do a better job of protecting and educating women against abuse. America has to do a better job raising more emotional and physically balanced men. Part of this has to do with poverty. There is a difference between healthy and unhealthy sex. Personally, I think it may be in Americas best interest to crack down on internet porn and internet violence and internet hate. We have freedoms in America, but we can also crack down on abuses and the excesses and to protect our children and citizens. California should also get rid of the porn industry in California as well. Let some other state or country have it.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Goes to shows (Bornin69) on Tuesday, March 31, 2015 - 05:30 pm: Edit Post

Blessed are the peacemakers for they shall inherit the earth. From the sermon on the mount in bible.

Cardinal burke partly illustrates why I consider myself a 70% catholic or more accurate a moderate catholic. As opposed to just uplifting those who stay faithful to the end to strict religious teachings concerning marriage and the upbringing of children, Cardinal burke attacks and tries to bring down moderate catholics with views that accept modern realities. While I agree with uplifting those who hold strickly conservative views who remain faithful until the end with those views, I do not believe in splitting the church over sex issues. I respect cardinal burke view and I am not attacking him, but will attempt to explain why I believe accepting moderate catholics with moderate reasonable views is better than splitting the church in two. Who is going to argue that raising children in a home with loving parents whom are married is a bad thing? No one, but there are larger issues at play here.
I am sure cardinal burke likes art and music, but I bet he does not support any living artists or musicians. I would bet he loves the art and music of people long since dead, as long as he doesnít read about their personal lives. The personal lives of artists and musicians ought to be nobodies business. This has been the problem of the catholic church and society in general. They do not financially support ďrealĒ artists and musicians and by not supporting them, they have allowed all sorts of youth destructive and life destructive popular cultures to take their place with very little benefit to society.
Artist and musicians have always seemed to live a bit outside the norms, but this has always been due to the nature of creativity. Now we have a choice of financially supporting those who hold moderate values to avoid all the financial support going to those with no values.
The same could be said of supporting moderate women and gays with views and values moderately different than very conservative views. Under the pope, the catholic church and society in general is moving and has been moving in this direction. I believe in one catholic church and its not the moderates who are trying to split the church, but a very conservative part of the church, who feel uplifting there values can only be achieved by tearing apart others with more moderate values.
Having said all this, I do not speak for the catholic church as a whole. I speak up for what I feel are issues within the catholic church and society. The catholic church and society have to understand all things are not equal. Everybody needs and wants what is needed to live life. In modern society that means money. The world is full of people who want shortcuts or who will decieve others to get money or commit crimes, with corruption at the top of the list. This is why I support the idea of supporting everyone. Modern society is so corrupt and some people will do anything for money, society has fallen apart. Judge not least you be judged. Parts of Sociey have become so judgmental, not for the good of mankind, but to steal what is needed to live life from those ďjudgedĒ. I believe the catholic church is under attack from those who want to steal what rightfully belongs to the catholic church. The catholic church has to become one church to defend itself from Ďnon-believersĒ who are only interested in stealing resources and money from the catholic church. Ungodly ďnon-believersĒ do not deserve to share in the bounty of riches collected over 2,000 years by those who have lived faithfully within the catholic church. The church has to separate moderate catholics from ungodly ďnon-believersĒ if its wants to survive and thrive into the future. The catholic church does not control all the resources and money in the world. The money and the resources the catholic church does not control is the money the catholic church has to do a better job of making sure all people share in. modern corporations and elites have collected and have control over the majority of resources and money today, and they have done this in a very short period of time, oftentimes through crime and corruption. I am saying, we as a society have to take care of all people, even those who do not live up to our ideals, but this does not mean we just give everyone a mansion on a hill. We as a society have to try to lead people on a path of righteousness through education and work over long periods of time.
We have to get rid of rewarding quick schemes and corruption that never work over the long haul. We as a society have to accept people have been harmed and unfairly judged and discriminated against, and we understand this will take time to fix, but we have to take the first step, because without action these issues will get worse and bring down all of us. Conservatives within the catholic church and conservatives within govt. have been preventing financial support for moderate causes. The catholic church and the american govt. have to end this financial discrimination and understand moderates values are at minimum equal to conservatives values. They both have value. The difference in moderates and conservatives has to do what is the best course of action for those who donít hold moderate or conservative values, meaning those outside the church or ďnormalĒ values of society. We cant just abandon people who do not share are values, but at the same time we ought not reward criminals.


The conservatives in the catholic church have to understand that the moderates within the catholic church are equals. The conservatives within the united states govt. and around america have to understand they are equals of the moderates in america. We have to all work together to solve issues constructively. We cannot divide the catholic church and we cannot divide america. We should not be attacking each other, when the enemy is outside the catholic church and outside mainstream democrats and republicans. The conservatives have to finance the moderates within the church and within america.


On another note(s)



We donít have a global warming problem in the year 2030, we have a global warming problem in the year 2015. Who is making the decision not to cut co^2 now. We need to cut oil use and coal use and regulate energy now. Are the elites and corporations running the country or are congressman and senators and the president running the country. Do we have a problem here? Do the people need to arm themselves to take back the country from the elites and the corporations who, if they are running the country are making terrible decisions. We the people either need to see immediate action on global warming by making an immmeditate 40% cut in coal and/or by fixing the tax code to get rid of all tax avoidance schemes used today so the rich and corporations can avoid paying there fair share. These are now the only two acceptable actions the people will accept to know that the federal government is not corrupt. Both of these will be good for the whole country. If we do not see immediate action on these two issues, the people will assume the country is run by elites and corporations. The people will then have no choice but to arm themselves if they are not already armed and take back there country. What I am saying is that here in america we expected the govt. to be for the people and protect us, but if the govt. has now decided to be beholden to the elites or corporations, moderates who otherwise would not think of arming themselves are going to have to start coming to terms with possible arming themselves. I believe moderate values and moderates are under attack. Conservatives are attacking moderates, thinking moderates are the problem, when the real problem is outside of conservative and moderate circles. And I am pretty sure I am not talking about liberals here. There is no such thing as liberals, all liberals are moderates. The democratic party is a moderate party. The democratic party is inclusive, we accept all people, we strive for the america dream and have middle class values. Even if people donít believe in america anymore because they have been treaty poorly or wronged over the years, we accept them in the democratic party. We accept anyone who still has hope of potentially being able to say they still want to believe in america and its dream of equality and want to live a better life. So the democratic party includes the moderates(middle class values) plus anyone else who wants to vote for a better life and getting back the american dream. If we have an election in 2016, it would be a mistake for anyone not to vote. I am speaking here to everyone, but what I am saying is the democratic party has to make sure all people of color and all people who have been discriminated against and all people who normally do not bother voting, the democratic party has to make sure these people vote.
The democratic party did not lose the last election. Through voter suppression and gerrymandering the republicans won more seats in congress and the senate, but cheaters never profit. Ha, ha, ha.

On another note

I am not sure I will make it to any fare thee well events this year, but I cannot foresee the rest of 2015, so who knows what tomorrow may bring. If the opportunity to attend an event presents itself, I could certainly see myself attending an event. I have enjoyed some of the official and non-official events so far over the internet and 1 event in person which was fun. I just have not been able to do much traveling lately which has prevented me from attending more events.

I am looking forward to the pope visiting america this year. I would like to attend the washington event, but I donít know If I will be able to. If the vatican wanted to send me 10-20 tickets to this washington event I would find a way to attend, and bring with me a local contingency of people. While I donít feel I have to meet the pope or even know if the pope would want to meet me, part of me would like to meet the pope or someone from the vatican. I may have to speak with a local priest or bishop first to follow correct protocol.

Isreali has to accept americas policy is changing. America supports the two state solution to bring peace to the region. isreali has to accept america no longer supports the occupation and the violence associated. As long as isreali takes real action to end the occupation and bring about a peaceful two state solution, america will always support isreali against foreign or domestic aggression. Iran, the arab world and muslims and anyone else have to accept a world with a peaceful isreali nation. Iran and the arabs and the muslims do not have to blinded trust what anyone says, the only thing they ought to trust is real action taken by isreali (and america if needed) to end the occupation and bring about the two state solution. The world is tired of isreal and iran causing problems in the region. The rhetoric on all sides ought to end and peaceful actions ought to begin. As long as isreali actions work toward peace in the region America will always defend it against aggression. The same could be said of jews around the world. Jews around the world ought to be respected. Its possible there are jewish criminals, but the same could be said of any group of people, most people in a group are decent enough and some might be bad apples.

I suuport a nuclear deal with iran to end sanctions against iran. There is a form of nuclear power that uses thorium instead of uranium. Although I am no nuclear expert, I have read the spent throrium fuel cannot be weaponized and is not as radioactive as spent uranium. I believe spent uranium is used in nuclear weapons and is also highly radioactive for 200,000 years. see fukishima nuclear disaster in japan for what can happen if there is a nuclear meltdown. All countries on the planet have to start coming to terms with the nuclear waste being produced and the safe containment of it for 200,000 years. All countries have to realize the world has too many nuclear weapons already and does not need anymore. All uranium nuclear reactors ought to be at least 20 miles from populations of people in case of an accident. Thorium nuclear reactors maybe a better alternative, but I am not an expert and I donít know all the details, but I do believe you cannot get a thorium meltdown. I believe the war mongers want uranium nuclear power to build more nuclear weapons, this is the only thing that makes sense in light of what we know about the dangers of meltdowns and storing spent uranium for 200,000 years. I do not support an iran with nuclear weapons. But iran needs to see real action on the part of isreali and the west that isreali and the west want peace. I believe we can make a good faith deal with iran to slowly undue the sanctions on iran in return for guarantees that iran will not make nuclear weapons and will work toward a peaceful region. Actions on the part of the west and iran ought to be the only criteria as to whether the deal once signed will work over the years. Iran is not going to be able to bullshit its way to nuclear weapons. Isreali and iran ought both shut the fuck up and work toward peace in their own countries and in the region.

America has to understand it does not control the world and all the countries in it. Russia, china, india, pakistan, etc are all sovereign countries we ought to respect and let them decide for themselves how they want to govern domestically and cooperate internationally. America ought to stop interfering and get back to working with these countries if they want our help. China has been americas largest trading partner and will continue to be a large trading partner, but the reality is the current trade gap cannot continue. We cannot carry china or any country at americas expensse to its own citizens. Just like every other country in the world, china is going to have to make some changes in how it has expanded and built up its country.


The uneven distribution of resources and wealth is an american and world problem. America has to lead the way on focusing on actually human beings as opposed to things like 1% worldwide growth or things that donít focus on how actually human beings are being treated. We need to understand income inequality is real and will lead to social unrest and human tragedies if not addressed.



I see two ways forward- one good and one bad.
The bad choice is (1) income inequality and social unrest. (2)Taking no real action on global warming- meaning future cuts is not doing anything. (3)Allowing the war mongers to start world war 3.
Or the good choice. (1)Taking action to tax the rich and corporations there fair share and spreading income and wealth to everyone. (2)Taking immediate action on global warming with immediate cuts and regulations. (3)And solving issues peacefully around the world and keeping a leash on the war mongers and reigning in military spending.

I do not trust the govt. enough right now to do the right thing. The govt. has no choice to change its actions or we are all going to face the consequences. So far the changes have been mostly superficial. I am not only speaking about congress and the senate here, but also the federal reserve, epa, energy, and dea, etc. We need to protect human beings from corruption and ignorance of at least past actions of these agencies. This is why america needs a manager, to get all the govt. and all the agency to work together for the people and not special interests. We need the govt. to do what govt ought to do and we need to make sure the private sector is doing what the private sector ought to do. We need to guard against corruption and crime.
We need to take a more holistic approach and realize the whole govt. is connected and realize the govt. and private sector our connected as well.

We need to fix the problems created by rewarding public employees with outrageous salaries and benefits that are not sustainable and skew all salaries and benefits in the private sector. Fixing this issue will require fixing a host of other connected issues as well, but it has to be done and done well. If we do not fix this it will fall apart on its own and be worse for everyone.

Obamacare seems to working. I believe it has cut down on fraud. I believe having a healthy population is good for everyone. I think healthcare out to focus on positive outcomes and not so much the bottom line.
Healthcare cannot alone solve all problems. Poverty is a much larger issue-adequate food and shelter.
We need hospitals and medical profession understand they have to treat everyone. If hospitals have to build clinics to better treat immigrants communities they ought to accept this as part of their mission. The medical community is being paid huge amounts of money by the govt. and they have to accept they cannot keep outrageous profits and ignore large segments of the community. While at the same time I understand they need to be protected from lawsuits. It is not realistic to spend large amount of time and money treating an immigrant who does not speak English and has no doctor relationship at the expense of treating other people who may be citizens, but at the same time I believe ER should treat everyone. So the solution is for ER to continue to treat everyone and at the same time build community clinics that are free of charge for the immigrants and paid for by the hospitals and medical professionals. As long as the medical community does not try to steal from the govt. and charge outrageous sums of money for care, the govt. will work with hospitals to build clinics, im sure. We should focus on outcomes and not so much the bottom line. We have to end the bullshit in healthcare. America spends 3 trillion dollars a year. This is more than enough to treat everyone. I go to an ER or doctor to be treated, not to be treated as part of their bottom line profit and for the most part I am treating well, even though I donít have a long term doctor patient relationship.

I went in to fill a common non-narcotic prescription the other day and noticed that narcotics are now schedule 2, meaning they are harder to get and no refills are allowed. This was not a solution I would have liked to see necessarily. I would have preferred a state and national database and crackdown on pill mills and high powered narcotics. People in pain ought to be able to get pain med, especially older people. Vicodin used properly is probably the safest narcotic for common back pain issues, but now regular doctors might be afraid to prescribe it or may not even be allowed to prescribe it.
Young people, with exceptions, should normally not be given anything stronger than vicodin, if they should be prescribed anything at al. the same could be said of most older people and common pain. Big pharm, in the name of profit has come up with all sorts of high powered pain med, whose benefit does not seem to outweigh the problems in most common pain situations. I hold to my belief most people are better off avoiding pain meds if they can, but if they cant vicodin(between 5mg and 10mg) used as directed is there best bet. The problem is that big pharm is mainly concerned with profit as opposed to public health. The other problem is people sometimes do things not in their best interest. Again I am no expert and I donít know what the best answer is, I was just surprised about the rescheduling. If only marijuana was as easy to reschedule.
I donít support the use of marijuana. I support marijuana being decriminalized or legalized. I do not support how mmj is being regulated or not regulated now. We need people who understand mmj to be in charge of regulations. Not all mmj is equal. Some people know what they are doing, others less so. I donít believe this is a huge issue, but we want people who care about other people in this business/field and not people who just want profit. Mmj has potential, but is not for everyone. Having said all this, it seems to be working okay and ought to continue and probably spread to most of the country. Again I am not an expert, I donít know. The problem is and will always be finding what works for the individual. Like most things in life, certain things work well for certain individuals but finding something that works for all people is a lot harder, which Is why It might be a good idea to avoid most/all drugs and avoid/limit alcohol use, with exceptions.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Goes to shows (Bornin69) on Monday, April 13, 2015 - 03:29 pm: Edit Post

SIMPLFYING MAN MADE CLIMATE CHANGE.
MAN MADE CLIMATE CHANGE IS A SCIENTIFIC FACT.
MAN MADE GLOBAL WARMING IS CAUSED BY TOO MUCH FOSSIL FUEL BURNING AND CO^2 BEING TRAPPED IN OUR ATMOSPHERE WHICH IS WARMING THE PLANET AND MELTING POLAR ICE.

THE EARTH HAS AN ATMOSPHERE. THE ATMOSPHERE KEEPS HARMFUL RAYS OF THE SUN OUT. A HEALTHY ENVIRONMENT TURNS CO^2 INTO OXYGEN(PLANTS AND OCEANS,ETC.). WE HAVE BEEN PUMPING SO MUCH CO^2 INTO THE ATMOSPHERE, IT IS NOT BEING TURNED INTO OXYGEN, BUT IS COLLECTING IN OUR ATMOSHERE AND WARMING THE PLANET. THIS WARMING OF THE PLANET IS CAUSING LOCALIZED CLIMATES TO CHANGE AND UNSTABLE WEATHER. THE WARMING IS ALSO MELTING POLAR ICE. THERE IS A POINT AT WHICH ONCE WE PASS, THERE WILL BE NOTHING WE CAN DO ABOUT ALL OF THE POLAR ICE MELTING. WE MAY HAVE ALREADY PASSED THIS POINT OR WE MAY HAVE TIME TO STOP OR REVERSE THIS.

MAN MADE CLIMATE CHANGE IS A SCIENTIFIC FACT. MAN MADE CLIMATE CHANGE IS AS TRUE AS ďTHE EARTH RELOLVES AROUND THE SUNĒ. THE ONLY WAY TO STOP AND/OR REVERSE CLIMATE CHANGE IS TO PUMP LESS CO^2 INTO THE ATMOSPHERE. AMERICA CUTTING COAL PRODUCTION BY AT LEAST 40% NOW IS THE ONLY WAY OF FIGURING OUT IF WE CAN STOP GLOBAL WARMING AND THE MELTING OF POLAR ICE.

AMERICAN COAL IS A 50 BILLION A YEAR BUSINESS. 40% OF 50 BILLION IS 20 BILLION.
WYOMING PRODUCES 40% OF COAL IS USA. WYOMING PRODUCES 20 BILLION DOLLARS OF COAL, OF WHICH WYOMING GETS ABOUT 6 BILLION DOLLARS. THE USA ECONOMY CAN WITHSTAND A 20 BILLION DOLLAR HIT. THIS FIGURE WILL BE LESS BECAUSE SOMETHING ELSE WILL TAKE ITS PLACE. THE COST OF NOT CUTTING COAL IS A FIGURE MANY MANY TIMES 20 BILLIION. THE PEOPLE WHO PROFIT FROM THIS 20 BILLION DOLLARS ARE THE ONES WHO DO NOT WANT THIS CUT. THE EFFECT OF CUTTING COAL WILL HAVE ON THE USA ECONOMY IS MINIMAL. THE COAL COMPANIES AND OTHER INDIVIDUALS HAVE CORRUPTED GOVERNMENT AND HAVE LIED TO THE AMERICAN PEOPLE. KOCH BROTHERS AND OTHER COAL COMPANIES HAVE LIED AND CONFUSED THE ISSUES. THE KOCH BROTHERS HAVE COMMITTED AT MINIMUM CRIMES AGAINST HUMANITY AND THE ENVIRONMENT. DICK CHENEY HAS AT MINIMUM COMMITED CRIMES AGAINST HUMANITY AND THE ENVIRONMENT AND SHOULD BE SENT TO THE HAGUE FOR TRIAL. FOR PERSCPECTIVE SAKES, AMERICA SPENDS 3 TRILLION DOLLARS ON MEDICAL CARE AND 1 TRILLION DOLLARS ON THE MILITARY INDUSTRIAL COMPLEX.
A 20 BILLION DOLLAR HIT TO THE ECONOMY DOES EFFECT A NUMBER OF AMERICANS, BUT THE EFFECT TO THE ECONOMY IS OVERBLOWN/LIED ABOUT.

IF WE DO NOT CUT COAL USE AND CO^2 THE POLAR ICE WILL MELT, SOONER RATHER THAN LATER. THIS IS NOT SOMETHING WE WANT TO SEE HAPPEN. THIS IS A SCIENTIFIC FACT AS MUCH AS THE EARTH REVOLVES AROUND THE SUN. THE GLOBAL WARMING THAT IS MELTING THE POLAR ICE IS MAN MADE - THIS IS A SCIENTIFIC FACT. THE WARMING AND MELTING OF POLAR ICE IS NOT PART OF THE EARTHS REGULAR CLIMATE CHANGE OVER THOUSANDS OF YEARS AND THIS HAS BEEN PROVEN SCIENTIFICALLY IF ONE LOOKS AT THE PEER REVIEWED SCIENCE. I AM NOT A SCIENTIST BUT I HAVE SEEN THE SCIENCE AND I HAVE TAKEN CALCULUS AND PHYSICS SO I AM ABLE TO INTERPRET THE DATA. THE SCIENCE IS A 99.9% FACT THAT GLOBAL WARMING WE ARE FACING IS MAN MADE. I FIND IT DISTURBING WHEN CLIMATE DENIERS DENY THIS AND TRY TO OFFER ANOTHER EXPLANATION. CLIMATE DENIERS ARE WRONG. DENYING CLIMATE CHANGE IS LIKE SAYING THE SUN REVOLVES AROUND THE EARTH. THAT IS HOW STRONG THE SCIENCE OF MAN MADE GLOBAL WARMING IS. THERE HAS BEEN ALOT OF SCIENCE OUT THERE FOR THE PAST 20+ YEARS.

THE TRUTH WILL SET YOU FREE.
MAN MADE GLOBAL WARMING IS CAUSING POLAR ICE TO MELT AND RASING SEA LEVELS AND CAUSING UNSTABLE LOCAL CLIMATE AROUND THE WORLD. THIS IS A SCIENTIFIC FACT AND ANYONE WHO SAYS DIFFERENTLY OUGHT TO BE DISMISSED AS A PERSON WHO THINKS THE SUN REVOLVES AROUND THE EARTH.
THIS SCIENTIFIC FACT SHOULD NOT BE KEPT AS A SECRET. PEOPLE DO NOT HAVE TO UNDERSTAND MAN MADE CLIMATE CHANGE COMPLETELY TO BELIEVE THIS. THEY OUGHT TO BELIEVE THIS JUST LIKE THE EARTH REVOLVES AROUND THE SUN IS A SCIENTIFIC FACT. THIS SCIENCE IS COMPLETELY CLEAR THE WARMING WE ARE FACING NOW MELTING THE POLAR ICE AND RAISING SEA LEVELS IS DUE TO THE EXCESSIVE BURNING OF FOSSIL FUELS/TOO MUCH CO^2 IN ATMOSPHERE.
CUTTING COAL AND FOSSIL FUEL USE IS THE ONLY WAY TO SOLVE THIS PROBLEM AND YES THE MELTING OF POLAR ICE AND RAISING SEA LEVELS IS A PROBLEM AND NOT NORMAL.
MAN MADE GLOBAL WARMING IS A REALITY THAT IS NOT GOING AWAY AND WILL HAVE SERIOUS CONSEQUENCES IF WE DO NOT CUT CO^2 NOW. ENVIRONMENTALISTS ARE ON THE RIGHT SIDE OF HISTORY AND REALITY ON THIS ISSUE, WHETHER OR NOT OTHERS UNDERSTAND THE ISSUE FULLY. THE UNDERLYING ISSUE IS THE COAL AND OIL AND ENERGY SECTORS HAVE LIED AND DECIEVED POLITICIANS AND THE GENERAL PUBLIC ON THIS ISSUE. THE SCIENCE WAS CLEAR ENOUGH 20 YEARS AGO, BUT INSTEAD OF ACCEPTING THE SCIENCE AND MAKING CHANGES THE FOSSIL FUEL INDUSTRIES LIED DECIEVED CORRUPTED AND WE HAVE WITNESSED THE MELTING OF POLAR ICE AND RAISING SEA LEVELS AND UNSTABLE CLIMATE THROUGHOUT AMERICA AND THE WORLD.

BUSH/CHENEY WERE BY FAR THE WORST/MOST WRONG GOVT. AMERICA HAS EVER SEEN.
THE OBAMA GOVT. HAS BEEN THE MOST CORRUPT GOVT. AMERICA HAS SEEN.
OBAMA HAS HAD VERY LITTLE HELP FROM OUR CORRUPT INCOMPETANT COWARDS IN CONGRESS AND SENATE. WHEN OUR FINANCIAL MARKETS COLASPED IN 2007/08? THEY SHOULD HAVE ONLY BEEN BAILED OUT IF THEY ACCEPTED REGULATIONS. THEY FAILED FOR A REASON, THEY WERE NOT WORKING. WHEN THE AUTO INDUSTRY FAILED, IT WAS FOR A REASON. THEY SHOULD NOT HAVE BEEN BAILED OUT UNLESS THEY BUILT BETTER ENGINES WITH BETTER MPG. BOTH OF THESE INDUSTRIES WILL EITHER NEED TO BE REGULATED/MADE TO WORK BETTER OR THEY WILL FAIL AGAIN.
OBAMA REALLY HASNíT MADE THINGS BETTER, AND THINGS WONT GET BETTER UNTIL WE FACE MAN MADE GLOBAL WARMING AND INCOME INEQUALITY. WE KNOW THESE THINGS EXIST NOW, SO OBAMA SHOULD DO SOMETHING NOW IF HE HAS THE COURAGE.
HE MAY NOT HAVE THE SUPPORT FROM OUR CORRUPT INCOMPETANT COWARDS IN CONGRESS AND THE SENATE, BUT HE DOES HAVE SUPPORT FROM THE AMERICAN PEOPLE. REMEMBER, THE TRUTH WILL SET YOU FREE. WE KNOW MAN MADE CLIMATE CHANGE IS A SCIENTIFIC FACT AND WE KNOW INCOME INEQUALITY EXISTS. MAYBE THE POPE AND AMERICAN CATHOLICS (CHRISTIANS, JEWS, MUSLIMS AS WELL) AND OTHER PEOPLE OF GOOD WILL CAN GIVE OBAMA THE BOOST HE NEEDS TO TAKE ON THE LIERS AND DECEIVERS. THE AMERICAN PEOPLE NEED TO SPREAD THE WORD THAT MAN MADE CLIMATE CHANGE IS A SCIENTIFIC FACT AND INCOME INEQUALITY NEEDS TO BE ADDRESSED. PEOPLE HAVE TO STAND UP TO LIES AND DECEPTION. IF WE GET THE AMERICAN PEOPLE TO STAND UP AND SPREAD THE WORD TO EVERY AMERICAN WE CAN MAKE THE CHANGES WE NEED PEACEFULLY.

** THE CATHOLIC CHURCH/ROME CAN DO WHAT THE GOVT. DOES NOT SEEM ABLE OR WILLING TO DO. THE CATHOLIC CHURCH CAN SAY THAT MAN MADE GLOBAL WARMING IS A SCIENTIFIC FACT. AMERICA IS FILLED WITH CONGRESSMAN AND SENATORS WHO ARE COWARDS. THESE CONGRESSMAN AND SENATORS ARE CROOKS AND INCOMPETANTS AND HAVE BEEN DECEIVED. AMERICANS AND PEOPLE AROUND THE WORLD CANNOT RELY ON THESE PEOPLE TO DO THE RIGHT THING. I BELIEVE THE FEDERAL GOVT. KNOWS MOST OF THIS, BUT FOR SOME REASON THEY ARE NOT TAKING THE STEPS NECESSARY TO WAKE PEOPLE UP TO THE FACT THAT THE POLAR ICE CAPS ARE MELTING DUE TO MAN MADE GLOBAL WARMING CAUSED MAINLY BY THE EXCESSIVE BURNING OF FOSSIL FUELS. THE FEDERAL GOVT. HAS NOT CUT COAL USE YET, WHY? THEY OUGHT TO IMMEDIATELY SHUT DOWN THE WORST COAL FIRED POWER PLANTS IN THE SOUTH AND IMMEDIATELY TAKE OVER AND START REGULATING THE ENERGY SECTOR.


THE SOUTHERN PART OF THE USA HAS A LARGE SEGMENT OF THE POPULATION WHO IGNORE SCIENCE AND THE TRUTH. A LARGE SEGMENT OF THE POPULATION IN THE SOUTH DOES NOT CONSERVE ENERGY. THE FEDERAL GOVT. OUGHT TO SHUTDOWN THE WORST OFFENDING COAL POWER PLANTS IN EVERY SOUTHERN STATE THAT HAS SHOWN NO INCLINATION TO CONSERVE ENERGY/CUT DOWN ON FOSSIL FUELS. THE SOUTH SHOULD VOLUNTEER TO CONSERVE ENERGY AND BUILD GREEN ENERGY OR THE FEDERAL GOVT. OUGHT TO FORCE THEM TO DO IT. THE WHOLE COUNTRY OUGHT TO CONSERVE AND BUILD GREENER ENERGY AND BETTER TECHNOLOGIES(LIKE MORE MPG FROM AN ENGINE).


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Goes to shows (Bornin69) on Monday, August 24, 2015 - 03:20 pm: Edit Post

Have not heard from the Vatican or the us govt, so I will probably not be seeing the pope in person this september. I did get a chance to visit the east coast this summer, and had a good time and it felt good to get a break from California. It was also nice to know I am not on the no fly list. I have had a chance to read the popes encyclical on care for our common home and it addresses a number of important issues that have been ignored by the united states in particular as well as china, these are the two main offenders of crimes against the environment and The international bankers are the other main offenders of income inequality and economic injustices in the us and around the world.
Popes to list.
Get the us govt and govt. around the world to take serious steps to address climate change. The number 1 step ought to be to cut coal use 40%. I donít know why people in positions to speak up have not backed this. Climate change will not be addressed without cutting coal use In the us and china in particular.
Get the us govt. and govts around the world to take serious steps to address global income inequality. This means taking on the international bankers around the world. It may take the militaries involvement if the international bankers and billionaires and corporations do not cooperate.
Get the us govt. to stop foreclosures and get the mortage holders to take a haircut. Mortages today are part of a fraud and Ponzi scheme committed by with govt. and wall street and us and international banks.
Get the us govt. to tax those with the most at least 30% taxes. The govt. should use the military in the united states to attack the billionaires and corporations if they do not cooperate.
The cost of living for the bottom 50% of people in the united states has gone up, but their incomes have not. This is the great injustice today. The rich have taken all the profits and put all the costs onto the poor and middle classes.
American politicians, especially republicans, like to say how Christian they are, but there policies have nothing to do with Christian thoughts or ideals. These republicans have been deceived. They serve money. They do not serve god or the people. If they continue in their ways, they will be labeled as anti christs. The war mongers in congress and the senate and in the us govt. can no longer call themselves Christians. The people in congress and the govt. who only seem to serve the corporatations and billionaires and banks creating income inequality and economic injustice can no longer be called Christians. The us govt. policies are a large part of the problem in America and around the world. A number of us policies are anti-christian. Christians should not support anti Christian policies.
Weed is a plant grown by planting a seed in the ground. This is more natural than fermented alcohol. Weed ought to be legalized and treated like alcohol. Safe if used responsibly but can potentially cause issues. 15 million americans use weed on a regular basis. Their right to use a plant as medicine or however ought to be legal and respected.
The war on drugs has not worked and will never work. The us govt. should not stand in the way of a more rational approach to the issue of drugs.
Take the step to legalize the 12 million immigrants in the us. Get their fingerprints and photos and other info. Make them citizens over the next 10-30 years. Stop all or most legal immigration for the next 10 years or so, until America disperses these immigrants over America. America needs to rebuild itself focusing on the black communities and immigrant communities and the middle classes of America. America has accepted millions of immigrants every year from around the world. America needs to stop immigration and focus on the lives of its own citizens first, but also on integrating the immigrants here. Stop all or most of the abuse of people coming to America to have their baby born here. America does not need a wall with mexico.
Americans needs some sort of moral and ethically rebirth. Too much focus on consumption and material things. America does not need billionaires and corporations who do not pay their taxes and do not give to charities that actually help people in need. The republicans and the billionaires and corporations have us on a track toward hell on earth(doing nothing about global warming and economic injustices).
The pope should get the us govt. to fund my 500 billion dollar plan to build a heaven on earth over 30 years.
Sorry I donít have my notes with me, so I have had to wing this, and may have left out some stuff to pull everything together to make sense.
Ps. I made up an acid test and no one has passed it yet. It wasnít much of a test. It was basically a test to see if someone would send money over the internet to a stranger. Im not sure if its important, but Its still up. Honestly, I really donít know what an acid test is. I was just playing around and having some fun.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Goes to shows (Bornin69) on Friday, December 04, 2015 - 06:36 pm: Edit Post

ROUGH DRAFT
Climate change and other matters of importance Ė update dec. 2015

Climate change and income inequality are the two major priorities.
Climate change Simple solution is cutting oil and coal production and use 30% immediately.
Imcome inequality simple solution is a minimum 30% tax on all corporations and high net individuals and criminals immediately. Have an amnesty program if necessary. Getting rid of all tax shelters and tax avoidance.

Until the usa govt. or other govt. around the world take these two issues more seriously and actually take immediate action on these issues, bad and unpleasant consequences will continue to happen, including terrorism and genocide and wars and corruption of individuals.

The climate change conference in france(cop21) shows that world leaders are at least appearing to be concerned about climate change and its consequences. Cop21 actually gives me some satisfaction that the action necessary for a sustainable and just environment will be achieved, if not now, in the foreseeable future. My understanding of the issue, is that until one or more govts or countries actually make the cuts to coal and oil now(not in 2030) and tackle tax avoiidance, govts are more or less not taking it serious enough and things will get worse. This seems to be a fact and this is what leads me to believe things will change and we will see cuts to oil and coal( without the price of energy(oil and coal) going up), as well as tax collection on the rich and corporations going up. So while cop21 does give me some hope, govts around the world have to step up their game.

Saudi arabia- whether the saudi govt is complicit in the misinformation campaign against climate change and complicit in terrorism around the world, the fact remians saudi arabia is a problem in both of these as well as income inequality. So few have so much oil money in saudi arabia and other gulf states. Some of this money gets into the hands of people who are greedy and support terrorism-fact. The same could be said of texas and other big oil states or countries. Oil money going to so few, while the costs of oil get spread to everyone else is a huge problem. Exxon mobil and the bush family and Im sure others in america are basically putting saudi arabia govt. interests(not the average citizens of saudi arabia or the region) ahead of americas interests. Exxon mobil and others have been proved as disgraces to american values. We need to regulate on a worldwide basis. Saudi arabia has to cut there oil output by 30% and the saudi govt. has to share 30% of profits with regular citizens in saudi arabia and the region to create a peaceful region, where people have the basics of food and shelter and education(no religion forced on them) and no oppression.

Russia- who knows what russia is telling us is true or false. Usa and europe need to be more straighfoward and honest when dealing with russia govt. to tackle the issue of climate change and tax avoidance. Russia needs to cut its oil production/c02 by at least 20% now, maybe more and work on income inequality and improving the lives of more of its citizens. Like all govts they need to share the wealth more, so people have the basics of food and shelter and education.

China- china needs to slow down. They need to cut oil and coal use/co2 by at least 30% now and tackle tax evasion and avoidance. They need to share the wealth as well with all there citizens. As long as people treat others with the golden rule all (more) people can share in prosperity. China is on a path of genocide due to pollution. Countries around the world can help china achieve the success they want, by cutting oil and coal going into china as well as cutting down on trade with china and cracking down on tax avoidance. Pollution in china is real, as are the consequences. The long term consequences of not cutting co2 are also very real.

India- india has pollution issues as well. Other countries can help india by getting solar or wind power to rural people. Getting water and plumbing to rural communities is also needed.

We need to make sure britain, australia and canada are all on the same page. Prince charles indicated with recent remarks on climate change these countries are on board. Going after tax shelters and avoidance is the other side of the coin, and I think they will come on board in time. The people are not going to sit idly by while major countries continue to be involved in tax shelters and avoidance schemes to avoid paying there fair share.

United states- republicans seem bent on destroying america while the democrats just stand by. America was built on equality. Not a perfect equality, but the idea all people have potential if given the chance and opportunities. For a long time only the rich were given the chance to thrive. America was built on the idea all men and women ought to be given a chance. Big oil /exxon has played a huge role in destroying the american dream, by allowing a few people to become extremely wealthy, while at the same time not paying there fair share and actively undermining our institutions which made america a great(but not perfect) country. The corruption or our federal govt and local and state govt. by people with too much money is destroying america. American ideals should be about shared prosperity. We need to tax oil money and all wealth more, until we achieve a more equal society. The outsize influence of oil money is bad for america and bad for the world. America needs to cut oil and coal use 30% immediately by regulation and not raise the price for consumers. America needs to tax all income and weatlth above a certain amount by a minimum of 30% until we achieve a better income quality for all citizens.

Isil- I donít claim to understand everything about isil, but I believe it to be a manifestation of years of bad policy decisions by american govt. and other govts around the world. Or as a terror organization of oil producing countries to somehow scare people to avoid looking at certain govt. policies- climate change and income inequality/tax avoidance. Or as an apocalyptic cult. I donít think what some of what they do is right, but I also believe some of what american govt. and other govts around the world do is wrong. Isil is not operating in ways most people understand, but the same could be said of the republicans in congress and senate. Isil is bombing and killing people around the world, but major news corporations are the ones spreading the terror to everyone by constantly covering it. Republicans and major news corps, such as fox and cnn are definitely involved in spreading terror in america and other countries. Climate change and income inequality are bigger priorities than isil. If we take action on climate change and income inequality, we will go a long way to solving terrorism now and in the future. Actions will need to be taken against the immediate threats of terrorim, but terrorism will continue as long as govts. Continue to not take action on cutting oil/coal/co2 and income inequality. The consequences of 20 years of bad policies by govt. around the world will probably continue even after we take the positive actions necessary to combat climate change and income inequality. Meaning terrorist actions may already have been put in play and cannot be stopped. The solution is to take action on climate change and income inequality now and turn the tide to a more peaceful and just world.

There have been 3 recent terrorist attacks around the world. One in paris and two in america. These all illustrate very serious violations of civil society and are all wrong. the calfornia terror attack illustrates some of the problems within california as well as america. So much money and resources have been spent on militarizing are police departments the last 20 years, while the cost of living has gone up disproportionately on the poorer among us. As opposed to spending money on improving the standard of living for the many, communities around america have spent all the money on the few and on militarizing the police. So many americans have been wronged and discriminated agaisnt for so long. If local, state and federal govt. donít make some changes to make all peoples lives better, it is possible these types of terror attacks will continue and there will be nothing to stop them. Average people have been pushed to the brink by corruption and crooks in america and around the world.


Muslims and islam are not the problem. Muslims, jews and christians all believe in one creator and share a lot of history together. Christians believe wronging another is wrong, meaning we turn the other cheeck. Muslims and jews do not believe this. So when govt. wrongs christians they donít always use a stick to fight back, where as when muslims are wronged they will use sticks. Christians should not be afraid of muslims or think they are the enemy. The reality is christians and muslims and jews and humanists and others have been wronged by corrupt and complicit govt. actions and greedy crooks. The fact that some muslims are fighting back should be as no surprise. The idea that american military or european military or police have not committed barbaric acts is false. Milatary campaingn alone will not solve this problem and could make it worse. We donít want to inflame 1.6 billion muslims around the world or the millions living more or less peacefully in america. im sure there are some crackpots amongst them, but christian crackpots are just as dangerous. Not wronging people and sharing resources will go further in solving terrorism, although some terrorism is clearly being done by misguided and delusional souls.

I really question if our us senate and our us congress can solve these issues. America has several serious issues that have come to light over the last couple years and our senate and congress have not done anything to show they are willing and able to solve these problems. Whether its corruption or just plain being out of touch with common people concerns, something aint right. The republicans in the senate and congress not passing a law to keep guns out of the hands of terrorists on the no fly list, shows something aint right. They are either so corrupt they have lost the ability to think and act or they are working to destroy america. I am not kidding. There is such a backlog of steps the congress and senate need to take to show the american people they are fit for office.


Military solutions- I am serious here. The us military ought to bomb exxons headquarters in texas, to show the oil industry we are serious about climate change and income inequality. The us military ought to bomb a couple of gun manufactures in the south, to let the nra know we take gun control seriously. The 2nd amendment specifically states regulation as a means to allow and control gun ownership. Every state ought to have a well regualted milita to regulate guns and keep them out of the hands of crackpots etc. the us military ought to arrest and remove from office all the people in congress and the senate and replace them with non corrupt citizens who have a better understanding of good government. Govt. is not the problem, the problem is bad government by crooked and corrupt people. The military should not be in the business of protecting an immoral and unethical oil industry. We know by now the pluses and minuses of oil. We should regulate oil and coal and pay a fair price for it. We should make sure the profit is spread to more people and not the few.

One of the problems with america(and other countries) is the unequal distribution of wealth. This is partly due to corrupt govt. and greedy corporations and individuals. To illustrate part of the problem, I will use my local city. The city has about 80,000 people. The median income is high, and the total comes to about 5 billion dollars. the city budget is about 260 million dollars( I donít think this includes schools). The police and fireman get about 100 million of this 260 million budget. The art council gets about $150,000. So the arts and artists get about $150,000, while the police and fireman get $100,000,000. This partially illustrates part of the problem with current economics. The problem is not only that the fireman and policeman and teachers and govt. employees get paid these amounts, but that artists and others are totally ignored when it comes to budgets. So to pay these few people who are deemed as more important than others these salaries, the cost of living goes up for everyone else, while everyone elseís incomes do not go up. So the lower income people and certain artists are pushed out and society starts to fall apart and people wonder why. In this cities budget, the problem is not so much paying the police and fireman and teachers this, but the idea the free market will take care of everyone else. The rich are out of touch. The police have become oppressors.

The rich and govt. is out of touch with average citizens. Don trump sounds like the beast more and more. His contempt of average citizens is not hidden. He is supposedly a billionaire, but complains like a baby. His hate speech is out of touch with whats wrong with america. don trump and other fat cats is an example of whats been wrong in america the last 20 years. Their greed and ignorance and corrupting influences on local and state and federal govt. and avoiding paying their fair share. Their days are numbered, imo. They are out of touch with american ideals and values and they have wronged too many americans for too long. The genie will not go back into the bottle anytime soon. The rich need to take a more proactive step in rebuilding local communities. They need to choose more wisely how they spend their money. American consumption is out of control and not a path toward happiness. There are a lot of con men willing to take money and not deliver.



World bank/international bankers. There are about 200 countries in the world. 82 of them are listed as tax havens or tax shelters. All of the major countries in the world are now tax havens. Its not just the cayman islands etc, its all major countries. Instead of the rich and corporations paying their fair share and spending money in local communities they put there money in tax havens and tax avoidance schemes. All the major govts are complicit in these immoral and unethical activities. Whether itís the rich in america paying a 15% or 20% tax on dividends or whether its corporations keeping profits offshore to avoid taxes or private individuals stashing money in off shore accounts, its all bad for the economies of countries. America is 18 trillion dollars in debt, this is not prosperity. The world bank/international banking has a huge part to play in tackling global warming and income inequality around the world. They are a main reason action has not taken place. We need to switch from a carbon economy to a sharing economy. We need to share ideas and technologies to tackle climate change. We need to share info to put an end to tax avoidance. The world economy has also been corrupted by organized crime. What the world bank did to the greek people seems very wrong. the loans made to the greek govt. benefited so few, while the costs of these loans has now been unfairly placed on average greek citiizens and the poor. America must not let this happen to the american people. Our way of life is being jeopardized by greedy bastards(american and foreign) and corrupt govt. officials. America needs to cut itself off from the world bank/international bankers.

Now is the time to tackle income inequality and climate change. We know what we need to do, there is no reason to put off cutting coal and oil/co2 and implementing a 30% tax on the wealthy. As long as our leaders act with honesty and our citizens act with respect toward all men and women and children we will succeed in changing toward a non carbon and a sharing economy, which in turn will lead us toward a more peaceful and just society for all.


All is not lost. The good man/women/child or the half decent man/women/child has nothing to fear in this life or the next life. A certain amount of people will probably continue to suffer needlessly due to their wrong actions. The poor have needlessly suffered more than necessary due to corrupt govt. and greedy and ignorant individuals and will continue to suffer needlessly until some better govt. comes along or the rich rejoin the human race and continue to work toward improving society. There is a lot of misunderstanding in the world. Most people would be better off minding their own business. No one in this life is perfect. No one(I imagine) has a perfect understanding of life. Most people, if given the chance understand honesty, but that does not mean most people understand truth. All people have opinions, and some are not afraid to share their opinions, but that does not mean all opinions are equally valid. Opinions can be closer to being false or closer to being true or somewhere in between. The reality is, global warming and income inequality are our two greatest priorities. My solution is cut all co2 30% and tax all wealth 30%. My opinion is more true than anyone elsesís, as far as im concerned. My solution has come after coming to terms that there is a problem and then coming up with a solution. This has been done over 20 years. There is no reason to listen to people who have denied these problems or even helped spread misinformation over the last 20 years. If it took me 20 years to come up with a solution, the idea that we would listen to some crackpot (republican)denier(s) is ridiculous, thank you very much.

Unless or until one or more govts take action to actually cut oil or coal or co2 now, immediately, all people should assume all govts are still corrupt and they are not taking this seriously. Actions speak louder than words.

Unless or until one or more govts take action to get rid of all tax havens and tax schemes and tax avoidance, all people should assume all govts are still corrupt and they are not taking this seriously. Actions speak louder than words.

Actions on these two issues are the first priorities. Things will get worse until action on these issues is taking. Even if action is taking, there is a possibility things could get worse, because of people undermining the common good or just plain misunderstanding or ignorance on the part of people who donít understand these issues. Taking action on these two issues ought to be considered good counsel and govt. or people do not need to fully understand why taking these action is the right thing, all they need to do is accept this is good counsel(peer reviewed good counsel). Things will only get better when action is taken on these two issues.