5-4&5-02 JazzFest - New Orleans

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Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Evan (Esegal) (68.32.12.20) on Friday, May 03, 2002 - 06:45 pm: Edit Post

I'm on my way to New Orleans this mornin',
Leaving out of Nashville, Tennessee(well, Philly)
They're always having a good time down on the bayou,
Lord, them Delta women think the world of me!!!!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Evan (Esegal) (68.32.12.20) on Friday, May 03, 2002 - 09:57 pm: Edit Post

Well, I'm bound on down to Baton Rouge, River Queen roll on,
Take that woman down to New Orleans, New Orleans.
I give up, I've had enough, forget my blues on down to the gulf,
she loves you big river more than me!!!!!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Evan (Esegal) (68.32.12.20) on Friday, May 03, 2002 - 10:11 pm: Edit Post

sorry, just one more classic:

Well, come on everybody take a trip with me
Down the Mississippi, down to New Orleans
They got the honeysuckle blaming on the honeysuckle vine
And love is blaming there all the time
They got the French boys swinging from a big old tree
Down the Mississippi, down in New Orleans

Well, come on take a stroll down on Basin Street
And listen to the music and the Dixieland beat
Oh, Magnolia blossom fills the air
And you ain't been to heaven if you ain't been there
Every Southern Belle is a Mississippi Queen
Down the Mississippi, down in New Orleans


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Evan (Esegal) (68.32.12.20) on Friday, May 03, 2002 - 10:27 pm: Edit Post

Date: 10/18/88
Venue: Keifer Lakefront Arena
City: New Orleans
State: LA
Set 1: Hell In A Bucket, They Love Each Other, Little Red Rooster, Loser, Beat It On Down The Line-> Greatest Story Ever Told, Peggy-O, When I Paint My Masterpiece, Bird Song
Set 2: Scarlet Begonias-> Fire On The Mountain, Estimated Prophet-> Eyes Of The World-> Drums*-> Space-> I Will Take You Home-> The Other One-> Wharf Rat-> Throwing Stones-> Not Fade Away
Set 3:
Encore(s): Iko Iko**, Knockin' On Heaven's Door**
Notes and Comments Other Artist(s): *w/ members of Neville Brothers, ** w/ the Bangles


LAST GD PERFORMANCE IN N.O. W/NEVILLE BROTHERS


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By LordHenry (Terrapindew) (68.8.14.25) on Saturday, May 04, 2002 - 04:48 pm: Edit Post

HAVE A GRRRREEEAAAAATTT TIME !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:O!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Evan (Esegal) (205.188.192.189) on Sunday, May 05, 2002 - 03:31 am: Edit Post

no more do i
wheel
again and again
beautifully broken
casey jones


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Evan (Esegal) (205.188.192.189) on Sunday, May 05, 2002 - 03:39 am: Edit Post

celebration and in no order - sorry guys
unbroken
broken arrow
masons children

sorry i tried- going back out to the quarter and figure out a setlist for ya

good lovin encore

oh- terrapin tease to open show

and mule was hot hot hot!! herring p;ayed with mule


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Evan (Esegal) (205.188.192.189) on Sunday, May 05, 2002 - 03:43 am: Edit Post

thorazine shuffle and soulshine were extra special


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Evan (Esegal) (205.188.192.189) on Sunday, May 05, 2002 - 03:45 am: Edit Post

frien of the devil somewhere too


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Evan (Esegal) (205.188.192.158) on Sunday, May 05, 2002 - 04:04 am: Edit Post

and shakedown of course too was in there


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By gideon (Mobetterdead) (216.78.154.160) on Sunday, May 05, 2002 - 04:47 am: Edit Post

am i at the right thread?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Georgie1 (Georgie1) (63.185.74.6) on Sunday, May 05, 2002 - 04:54 am: Edit Post

no more do i
wheel
again and again
beautifully broken
friend of devil
casey jones

celebration
shakedown
broken arrow
patchwork quilt
the chain
mason's

good lovin' w/robert randolph

I think.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By shag (Clifton_Hanger) (152.163.201.184) on Sunday, May 05, 2002 - 05:28 am: Edit Post

stop exposing your breasts off the balcony of the Tropical Island and give us a review of the show...


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Georgie1 (Georgie1) (63.185.74.96) on Sunday, May 05, 2002 - 06:02 am: Edit Post

Highlights for me: beautifully broken, shakedown, unbroken chain, mason's children and the encore.

As Phil said during the donor rap, the N'awlins jazz fest has grown into a monstrous affair. When he plays on the fairgrounds' main stage tomorrow, there will be a sea of humanity of at least 100,000: locals, people in town for the fest, etc., and the percentage of hard core phil heads will be small. He has an hour and a half in the afternoon, after Ratdog and before the Nevilles, and it will be interesting to see how they handle it. If they play like they did tonight during mason's children, the crowd should go nuts. That literally exploded out of the chute, after they nicely wound down unbroken chain--itself a showcase... Shakedown was nailed, vocally (God, Warren's a great singer), and the middle jam made my hair stand up. Beautifully broken from the 1st set may have been the single best moment. Not one I've liked/appreciated before, tonight I finally "got it," and the guitar and vocals are just unbelievably sublime... Harrison's ghost was in the house... For the encore they brought out Robert Randolph on steel. Rumour had it he was going to play the whole 2nd set. I thought he added a lot and it was too bad he was only on for one tune. A great time was had by all during good lovin'. Jimmy was beaming, trading licks with Randolph. Hate to say it, but who needs Weir. This was better than the Beacon. Rob sang it great and come to think of it, he also did caution (!) earlier in the 2nd set, how did I forget that, and he sounded just like Pigpen.

Nice venue, good acoustics. Not 2000 though, as mentioned on the zone. More like the Kaiser... Everyone heads out to the clubs after the show. Heard Warren sat in w/ someone earlier in the week.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Evan (Esegal) (152.163.194.212) on Sunday, May 05, 2002 - 11:30 am: Edit Post

The best part of this is that the new tunes are becoming the highlights!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Evan (Esegal) (152.163.194.212) on Sunday, May 05, 2002 - 11:37 am: Edit Post

and it's again worth mentioning that Gov't Mule kicks ass


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Jimmy is Amazing (Singjimmy) (141.152.239.129) on Sunday, May 05, 2002 - 01:05 pm: Edit Post

Hey Evan, us Phans up here in Philly are jealous, seems like you're having a great time. Was it as good as Colorado? That high altitude can make you kinda dizzy ;-)

Tonight should be amazing!!! Can't wait for your post show update!!! You are the "pager man" tonight!!

Got an extra tix for Phillies 5/8 if you're back in town.

JimmyPhan420


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Jimmy is Amazing (Singjimmy) (141.152.239.129) on Sunday, May 05, 2002 - 01:08 pm: Edit Post

P.S. The Colorado CD's are AWESOME!!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Bucky (Bucky) (130.132.243.23) on Sunday, May 05, 2002 - 01:14 pm: Edit Post

Man, That has to take the cake as the poorest looking setlist by P&F EVER. :(

Flame Away..... :)


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Bucky (Bucky) (130.132.243.23) on Sunday, May 05, 2002 - 01:17 pm: Edit Post

>>>The best part of this is that the new tunes are becoming the highlights!

PLEASE tell me you're only joking.

Good thing there wasn't a Dark Star, TOO, 11, St Stephen or Viola in there to weaken the show....


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By gideon (Mobetterdead) (216.78.154.160) on Sunday, May 05, 2002 - 02:06 pm: Edit Post

on paper it does look kinda weak...wait a sec...i got it...phil's obviously tellin the story about widespead's punk ass coweredness and how P&F's don't play that shit :)

mason's to close set two had to kick ass though i'm sure


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By LordHenry (Terrapindew) (68.8.14.25) on Sunday, May 05, 2002 - 02:26 pm: Edit Post

Dont Start BUCKY, these are peoples opinions, and theres no need for you to be sarcastic.

Looked like a pretty fun show, that Unbroken>Masons must have been amazing!
They should bust out a nice jazzy Caution tonight.
Phil is the JAZZMAN!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By seshmelesh (Seshy1) (205.188.192.152) on Sunday, May 05, 2002 - 02:55 pm: Edit Post

sunday song w/bobby today. & how about that easywind? wish I could be there w/ u all, have fun & be safe.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By gideon (Mobetterdead) (216.78.154.160) on Sunday, May 05, 2002 - 03:14 pm: Edit Post

lord henry
hey bro...i'm gonna try and hit that frost show since i'm off on sundaze
i've only got that seattle 74 on analog
i'll be sending that 3/29/90 out to ya next week

LT said the masons was "super hot" :)


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By LordHenry (Terrapindew) (68.8.14.25) on Sunday, May 05, 2002 - 03:24 pm: Edit Post

Hope to see you there Gideon!, I've got a phealing Phils gonna bring out something special for the old frost amp.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By shag (Clifton_Hanger) (64.12.105.29) on Sunday, May 05, 2002 - 03:24 pm: Edit Post

Thanks for the review, Georgie. It is surprising that weren't a few more guests. It will definitely be a madhouse today. It was bad last Saturday at the fairgrounds; today might easily hit 125,000.

Warren plays with so many folks it's hard to keep track of. check out jambands.com for blurbs on him and Schools sitting in with Jerry Joseph on Wednesday(Mikey from WSP had to bail due to the still officially-uncomfirmed pancreatic cancer), as well as the very cool entire Mule slowly taking over every instrument at the Thursday moe. show at the Orpheum, doing Thorazine Shuffle, then slowly giving moe. back their instruments. I would have loved to have seen that.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By iannai (Mule) (66.19.99.76) on Sunday, May 05, 2002 - 03:26 pm: Edit Post

C'mon Bucky...do you seriously want them to play the same exact setlist every show to qualify on paper as a "good show" in your book!? I like the songs you do too, but I reserve my judgement until after I've heard the show on disc...

I can wait to hear more reviews from those in attendance, bring it on!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Matthew Baxter (Helpontheway) (66.109.232.228) on Sunday, May 05, 2002 - 03:29 pm: Edit Post

Face it, BUCKY is someone who just won't be happy with a Phil show unless it features the "oldies" like Dark Star, St. Stephen, etc...He made a total ass of himself in the discussion board concerning the definition of a "DeadHead." STOP LIVING IN THE PAST!!! Phil and Friends is a VITAL band, the Grateful Dead is a DEAD band. Once Phil puts out 2 or 3 studio offerings, i'll bet a good 75% of his shows will be dedicated to his own material with a few Dead songs mixed plus maybe one long Dead jam (Dark Star, Viola Lee, etc.). I for one, would LOVE this format!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By shag (Clifton_Hanger) (64.12.105.29) on Sunday, May 05, 2002 - 03:35 pm: Edit Post

I saw a Deadhead sticker on a Cadillac...

don't look back, you can never look back.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Keyshawn Still Sucks (Keyshawnsucks) (205.188.196.52) on Sunday, May 05, 2002 - 04:38 pm: Edit Post

I just saw what they played last night.
It's LAUGHABLE...unless of course, I was there.
Then, I woulda been BOOING..and I DO MEAN BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOING!!!
You guys think THAT constitutes a great show? There better have been 12-15 minute SONIC, and I DO MEAN FEROCIOUS...jams WITHIN EACH, and segueing INTO, EVERY song they played last night, for THAT to be the case!
New?! If THIS is what they're gonna do...then that truly is a shame!
For that one, I'd want my money back!!
:( :( :(


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By gideon (Mobetterdead) (216.78.154.160) on Sunday, May 05, 2002 - 04:42 pm: Edit Post

lol


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By LordHenry (Terrapindew) (68.8.14.25) on Sunday, May 05, 2002 - 05:00 pm: Edit Post

>>I saw a Deadhead sticker on a Cadillac...

Whoa, I am taking off the stickers on my car right now, hmm maybe I should leave them on...but I drive a stagecoach.

Keyshawn, oh BOOOOOO yourself!!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Keyshawn Still Sucks (Keyshawnsucks) (205.188.196.52) on Sunday, May 05, 2002 - 05:05 pm: Edit Post

BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!
:( :( :( :( :( :( :(


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By JD (Drunkeneagle) (66.81.131.124) on Sunday, May 05, 2002 - 05:26 pm: Edit Post

geez, i wouldn't have been booing, probably just a bit bored. im sure there were some good jams, but IMO (and like i said on the warfield post), the lists are getting pretty square.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Keyshawn Still Sucks (Keyshawnsucks) (205.188.196.52) on Sunday, May 05, 2002 - 05:33 pm: Edit Post

Now...THERE'S a guy who GETS IT!
AND...his name is NOT "Bucky" or "Keyshawn".


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By LordHenry (Terrapindew) (68.8.14.25) on Sunday, May 05, 2002 - 05:56 pm: Edit Post

what is there to get??

If the band played songs like Viola, 11, DS, yadda yaddy, everynight, the whole thing would get old, and fast! I am glad they are experimenting with their setlists, you cant look at just what songs they play but as the show in whole. Like Phil says, each shows set represents a journey or a mystical adventure.

You can critique a setlist, but man you havent even heard the show!! You gotta be clueless....
SHAD UP and listen to the MUSIC PLAY...then go ahead and talk about it.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Keyshawn Still Sucks (Keyshawnsucks) (205.188.196.52) on Sunday, May 05, 2002 - 06:19 pm: Edit Post

No...no way.
These songs are NOT what I'D be looking for at a show.
The whole PREMISE that propelled this band to GREATNESS, is the fact that they took the GREATEST of the pieces of music that we hadn't heard the Dead even attempt, let ALONE play with a PURPOSE for, in most cases, DECADES (check MOST of the post '91 "Dark Stars'", for example), and played them with such FERVOR, such PASSION, such VEHEMENCY...it BLEW US AWAY!
How can you equate what this band is offering now, with THAT?!
It doesn't have to be the SAME "Dark Star">"St. Stephen">"The Eleven", et al, every night.
But THIS?
I've been listening to this music for long enough...I don't need to be hit over the head to KNOW when a band is not fulfilling its POTENTIAL.
You want them to throw a "new" tune or two in their show each night, that's fine, but gives us the GREATNESS too!
You guys are very RICH on talking about "selling out" the philosophy...the ideals.
What it looks like to me, is that Phil put out an album...ok...CD..and he's SHOWCASING...PROMOTING that CD...to generate sales.
Of THIRTEEN songs played (including the "Good Lovin'" encore) a FULL FOURTY PERCENT of this show consisted of songs on the "There and Back Again" CD.
What does that tell you?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By LordHenry (Terrapindew) (68.8.14.25) on Sunday, May 05, 2002 - 06:43 pm: Edit Post

>>The whole PREMISE that propelled this band to GREATNESS, is the fact that they took the GREATEST of the pieces of music that we hadn't heard the
Dead even attempt, let ALONE play with a PURPOSE for, in most cases, DECADES (check MOST of the post '91 "Dark Stars'", for example), and played
them with such FERVOR, such PASSION, such VEHEMENCY...it BLEW US AWAY!

You dont think Phil's Masons Children can do that?? Isnt hearing Unbroken Chain just as sweet as St.Stephen or the Eleven for that matter?
I am just trying to get at the fact that these songs have great potential, they are already magnifecent, and by playing them they can improve their quality and expand more. Sheesh Masons is jammed out! theres rarely one under 15 minutes. I just think your limiting yourself to older material you know (and enjoy) well. The new songs are bursting with creativity and energy, they have just been born!

and yes I think Phil is promoting the new album, why not? that doesnt mean hes selling out. This band has written a whole bunch of songs together since last spring and they've been playing them a whole lot way before this cd was even thought of.

>>Of THIRTEEN songs played (including the "Good Lovin'" encore) a FULL FOURTY PERCENT of this show consisted of songs on the "There and Back
Again" CD.
What does that tell you?

That tells me that Phil and Friends, esspecially Phil, oh yes and Robert Hunter, really like these new songs, and they want to share them with us. Sure theirs song we dont like, but others do and thats important. Phils been playing for more than 35 years, this is the future, let him and yourself explore the vast world of music.

If we want to go back and forth all day long about this topic, I suggest you start a thread in other stuff, this place is for reviews. No one wants to read us debating. Unless....

Oh well back to washing my car :)


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Keyshawn Still Sucks (Keyshawnsucks) (152.163.205.51) on Sunday, May 05, 2002 - 07:07 pm: Edit Post

"Mason's" I'll give you. That IS more what I'm talking about.
"Unbroken Chain", I'm sorry, is not "St. Stephen", "The Eleven", "Viola", or a FULL "That's It For The Other One".
And Henry, they weren't playng these songs to the EXTENT they are now...now that the CD is coming out for public sales.
As has been said before...Phil has set this high standard...why should we be happy when they give us less than their best?
Don't kid yourselves..."they want to share them with us", you say.
I say it's a HELL of a coincidence that with an impending public on sale date for a new CD in a few weeks...all of the sudden FOURTY PERCENT of a show are songs from that CD.
There is NO WAY these songs stack up to what he/they COULD be playing.
Hell...where's "Dear Mr. Fantasy", with the DUAL DOUBLE TIME guitars, even?
It just seems that they and the general population of us, the fans of the music, are concentrating the efforts on the "new", just for "news'" sake.
Play some new...experiment some...that's all fine.
But if they're gonna do THAT, then also play what SHOULD be played.
The GREATNESS.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Paul A (Muadib) (152.163.204.177) on Sunday, May 05, 2002 - 07:08 pm: Edit Post

Someone should change the title of this conversation from Jazzfest to Same Old Fucking Agurment; that way no one will come here looking for a reveiw. This is the review section. Not the bitch about the same ol fucking thing. Sorry, Buck and Keysh. Love ya both but give it a friggin rest already. We all know your opinion. Bitch about it in a show review for a show you were at (or at least have the discs).


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Matthew Baxter (Helpontheway) (66.109.255.5) on Sunday, May 05, 2002 - 07:20 pm: Edit Post

BITCH ALL YOU WANT KEYSHAWN...

I didn't see you play in the Dead for 30 years. YOU don't own the Dead legacy! You should just be grateful that Phil is still out there at 61 as vital as ever. I can tell you that he was ZERO desire to spend the rest of his touring years just playing new interpretations of old Dead tunes. Eventually, his shows will mainly be consitituted of Phil songs. Kinda reminds of what Hornsby started doing in '93. He stopped playing most of The Range songs and started playing mainly his own solo stuff in concert. A good 50% of his fans left and the scene is all the better for it. And NO Keyshawn, the Dead's "legacy" is that of pulling out surprises for 100 percent of the show and not pandering to what some old fart from 60s San Fran wanted them to play (i.e. NO MORE St. Stephen's after '77, except for a couple of times in '83).

Bottom line is that Phil is going to do what Phil wants to do. Hopefully losers like Bucky and Keyshawn will leave the scene for good...or go on tour with the Tri-Chromes :-)


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By shag (Clifton_Hanger) (64.12.107.152) on Sunday, May 05, 2002 - 07:57 pm: Edit Post

so what happened at the fairgrounds today?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By shag (Clifton_Hanger) (205.188.201.188) on Sunday, May 05, 2002 - 09:22 pm: Edit Post

hmmm... the second set Bret posted doesn't look much like that reported above, and the date is wrong, altho I guess technically most of the show was played after midnight.

perhaps the second set is the Sunday fairgrounds set, and the second set from 'Saturday night' has been omitted?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Keyshawn Still Sucks (Keyshawnsucks) (152.163.213.46) on Sunday, May 05, 2002 - 09:42 pm: Edit Post

Muadib:

We know you...have met you...like, and respect you. (That's actually kinda lyrical...LOL). You're right...it IS the same ol' f**king thing. But, all we're doing is (at the risk of sounding pretentious) to paraphrase Ted Kennedy, at his brother Robert Francis's Funeral at St. Patrick's Cathedral in June of 1968..."we see a wrong and try to right it".
EVERY time we voice an opinion OTHER THAN thanking the merciful heavens for ANYTHING P&F send our way, we are LAMBASTED?
Why is THAT?

As far as Matthew goes...well...we have paid our dues, and have the right to critique any way we see fit.
You guys think that we are ONLY negative. Please refer to the last several posts on the 4/1/02 Show Review. From there, check the remarks on the shows that Bucky and I list...which are PLENTIFUL. I think you might gain a different perspective on what our thinking is.
The "surprises" are all well and good...but isn't it the ACTUAL MUSIC BEING PLAYED, that this is all about?
Why should we be bowled over with (here we go..this is JUST an example) a "Candyman" in an unexpected middle of a second set...when another "slow Jerry" such as (just two examples now)..."Morning Dew"...or "Comes A Time" are SO MUCH better... so much more POWERFUL...MUSICALLY?
Unless, of course, you're going to make the argument that "Candyman" is the MUSICAL equal of those two.
It's the MUSIC that these guys produce, that sets them apart from everybody else.
We're looking for the INCREDIBLE MUSIC these guys have shown they can make.
To call us "Losers" and "old farts from 60s San Fran" for EXPECTING them to deliver on the potential that they have, is ludicrous.
The pieces of music are what they are.
We never have, and never will, be satisfied with less than the best.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By LordHenry (Terrapindew) (68.8.14.25) on Sunday, May 05, 2002 - 09:52 pm: Edit Post

what is the real set?? whats going on?? I wish I was at jazzfest:) :) :) :)


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By easywind (Easywind) (68.1.178.128) on Sunday, May 05, 2002 - 10:11 pm: Edit Post

Hey guys,

Most of us come here for reviews of what was played today, not some ranting about music that none of us has even heard. How ridiculous is that? We all have our idea of a perfect set list, but if they played the same one every night, it really would end the fun in a hurry. Obviously they want to write new stuff, and obviously a great many of us want to hear new stuff. I for one am absolutely certain that the next Terrapin Station (or Dark Star for that matter) will still be written, and that a lot of the material from the new record is excellent. If you don't like new stuff, I suggest you follow a Dead cover band. How long to you guys expect musicians of the caliber of these guys to play in a cover band? From where I am sitting, the song is the launch ramp, but the real discussion about a PLQ show is the quality and energy of the jams, segues and performances.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Keyshawn Still Sucks (Keyshawnsucks) (152.163.205.52) on Sunday, May 05, 2002 - 10:34 pm: Edit Post

Which IS the real set list?
"Uncle John's"..."Cumberland"..."The Music Never Stopped"..."Cassidy"..."Help">"Slipnot">"Franklin's" sure looks better than whats listed above.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Mirmel (Mirmel) (66.92.186.116) on Sunday, May 05, 2002 - 10:49 pm: Edit Post

People that critique a PLQ show, based 100% on the setlists and % of primal GD songs are missing what kick-ass R&R it ALL is...

IMO


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Keyshawn Still Sucks (Keyshawnsucks) (152.163.205.52) on Sunday, May 05, 2002 - 10:55 pm: Edit Post

LOL...Yeah, right!
I'd suggest reading closer.
And...if you think that either The Dead OR Phil & Friends is "kick-ass R&R"...I've got two words for ya:
The Who
:)


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Matthew Baxter (Helpontheway) (66.109.255.190) on Sunday, May 05, 2002 - 11:34 pm: Edit Post

Keyshawn...three words for ya:

DARK STAR ORCHESTRA


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Keyshawn Still Sucks (Keyshawnsucks) (152.163.207.83) on Monday, May 06, 2002 - 12:28 am: Edit Post

I've seen 'em. They're not bad..but not the REAL THING either.
We never said NO NEW songs..just not a PROLIFERATION of them.
Which of these new songs has the driving force of even a "China">"Rider"? Which, in and of itself, is fairly routine fare. The only one that could even be considered in that realm would be "Night Of A Thousand Stars". Maybe.
We want what we want.
When these songs evolve, expand into what a "That's It For The Other One", or "Viola", or "The Eleven", or "Dark Star", or even "Help">"Slipknot">"Franklin's", or an "Eyes", or a "Playin" (btw...SCREW Bob...THAT one they SHOULD play more than just the occaisonal appearance with him) or the aforementioned "kick-ass R&R" of "China">"Rider" are...let us know.
Let them "experiment" on you.
Call us when they've got VIABLE, JAMMABLE pieces of music that can go "toe to toe" with the best of the best.
You won't be hearing many complaints then.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By shag (Clifton_Hanger) (205.188.199.152) on Monday, May 06, 2002 - 12:56 am: Edit Post

will someone please post the setlist?

okay, I guess I'll have to go search the Ratdog boards and see what I can come up with...:(


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By shag (Clifton_Hanger) (205.188.199.152) on Monday, May 06, 2002 - 01:08 am: Edit Post

yes, the "second set" posted at zone.com for "Saturday 5/5" is in fact the setlist from the Sunday Jazz Fest fairgrounds show, with Bobby guesting from Music through Franklin's.

sounds like good stuff, which might even make Bucky & Keyshawn happy (might not;). maybe someone will finish their hurricane soon and give us a review...


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By gideon (Mobetterdead) (67.32.172.107) on Monday, May 06, 2002 - 01:14 am: Edit Post

since there haven't been much reviews i see no harm in shootin' the same ol' shit

set 2 vail 4/6/02
Welcome to the
Underground >
Strawberry Fields>
Caution >
Hard To Handle
Viola Lee Blues>
Beautifully Broken>
Viola Lee>
Casey Jones> Viola
E: Golden Road
the spring cd's are around...listened to this 3x all ready ...good stuff

while yesterdays show didn't have an all star line up, any suprises and a bunch of new songs.
Key having listened to live music for many years you must be used to it?
And have probablly seen hot ones that match the above criteria

i just don't want phil & friends to play to many dark stars , or they might end up like led zepplin or the who :)
runnin' the risk of gettin booed if they don't play stairway to heaven or baba o'riley


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Georgie1 (Georgie1) (63.185.77.164) on Monday, May 06, 2002 - 01:35 am: Edit Post

1,000 Stars wo/Jimmy (technical probs.)
Uncle John's
The Real Thing
Cumberland
Music Never Stopped wo/Warren
Cassidy
Liberty
Help
Slip
Franklin's

Tom Thumbs


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Green Bandit (Bandit420) (12.253.121.13) on Monday, May 06, 2002 - 02:19 am: Edit Post

would be very GRATEFUL to trade anyone (gideon) for any of the colorado and warfield spring shows...please help a fan out! thanks and peace....
The Green Bandit


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By LordHenry (Terrapindew) (68.8.14.25) on Monday, May 06, 2002 - 04:36 am: Edit Post

Wow, looks like an interesting set, did bobby sing in Help>Slip>Frank??

Cant wait for the reviews!!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Keyshawn Still Sucks (Keyshawnsucks) (64.12.101.169) on Monday, May 06, 2002 - 06:27 am: Edit Post

No "Stairway To Heaven"?
On that, no booing.
"Ten Years Gone" does the same thing for me that "Stairway To Heaven" does.
"Baba O'Riley" however, is a MUST.
POWER. (In all its bombast AND subtleties)----->
There IS no substitute.
:)


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Keyshawn Still Sucks (Keyshawnsucks) (64.252.14.83) on Monday, May 06, 2002 - 09:15 am: Edit Post

And...speaking of bombast AND subtlety, for anybody who cares, you should give a listen to the Jam after "He's Gone", and into the "Drums", ("He's Gone" was dedicated to Bobby Sands that night) from the Nassau Coliseum, 21 years ago today...May 6, 1981.
Bucky and I were there.
The late Dick Latvala, in his review in Deadbase, has called this one of the most incredible 15 minutes in Grateful Dead history.
Bombast and subtlety.
YEAH!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Georgie1 (Georgie1) (63.185.74.91) on Monday, May 06, 2002 - 09:45 am: Edit Post

Ratdog augmented by Trombone Shorty and Irving Mayfield, local hotshots, was good and I'll leave it at that. They're not as powerful as P&F, but so what? HOWEVER, Bobby proved to be a rally killer later on in the day...

Phil and Friends were uneven. 1,000 Stars followed the basic format as on that KCBO show, which I really like (thanks, Zone), but without Jimmy's blistering lead. Technical problems. Then, just when the show started to cook, at Cumberland, Bob came out and Warren, per usual, left for one song. This is the third time I've seen Phil share the stage with Bobby and I'm afraid it's becoming a bit predictable. They have to change the mix, and without Warren everything seems to come from the left side and it just kills the momentum...But the crowd seemed to enjoy it and by Help/Slip things were progressing quite nicely, thank you, when an extremely awkward moment occurred.

Warren was building up a killer solo in the middle of Franklin's, playing these clean and crisp notes with his slide. Not just sliding it up and down, but playing distinct notes like a lead guitar. It was starting to soar amazingly, they were showing him on the big screen, the crowd was going wild, when, BOOM, Bobby cut him off for the next verse. Warren was dumbfounded to put it mindly (more like a death stare), and he just threw his hands to his sides and walked back to the amp rack. It took him, as well as our heads, a good two minutes to recover. You almost have to hand it to Bob for choosing the most opportune milisecond in terms of harshness.

He did not return to the stage for the encore, which was Tom Thumbs. With that, the monied crowd left to head back to NYC, but those who stayed were treated to Warren and Bob sitting in with the Nevilles, at different times, as well as Bob joining the Meters for a couple of tunes later that night at the Orpheum.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Keyshawn Still Sucks (Keyshawnsucks) (64.252.14.83) on Monday, May 06, 2002 - 09:51 am: Edit Post

Keep Bob off the stage!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By gideon (Mobetterdead) (216.78.155.82) on Monday, May 06, 2002 - 10:20 am: Edit Post

bob cut someone off in the middle of a jam...naw that's not like him :)

nice call on the 5/6/81 he's gone and respective jams...a gem for all times


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Keyshawn Still Sucks (Keyshawnsucks) (64.252.14.83) on Monday, May 06, 2002 - 10:23 am: Edit Post

:)


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Howard H. (Howardh1) (207.87.243.64) on Monday, May 06, 2002 - 10:38 am: Edit Post

Keyshawn, you need to get a life.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Keyshawn Still Sucks (Keyshawnsucks) (64.252.14.83) on Monday, May 06, 2002 - 10:59 am: Edit Post

Well, hello to you too, Howard...and WHY is THAT may I ask?
I work within the "Corporate World"...on the 'net...and can keep the window open all day and check in periodically.
My life is PLENTY busy (as has been documented on the "Workingman's Blues" thread under "Other Stuff").
It doesn't pay to speak from ignorance, pal.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Tom Melvin (Thom) (128.175.82.175) on Monday, May 06, 2002 - 11:17 am: Edit Post

Bobby? Killing a jam?? NOOOOOO!!!!! Say it ain't so. Someone call 60 Minutes, we've got a real story here!

One of the best things about P&F is their ability to let a jam work itself out without thinking about it to much. Bobby ALWAYS thinks about it too much. I love the guy and all the great music he's been a part of throughout the last 29 years of my life, but keep him off the stage when Phil's band is on, he adds nothing and can distract quite a bit. If you want to hear the Grateful Dead, put on a tape!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By stick man (Stick) (63.80.112.44) on Monday, May 06, 2002 - 11:36 am: Edit Post

I was in the 3rd or so row, saturday night, and i am uncertain as to what all the fussin' is about.

This isn't the Grateful Dead, and we should not expect it to be, or we will suffer disappointment.

I miss Jerry, as I missed Brent, and so on, and so on.
This is a different trip altogether folks.
And from where i was standing, it was righteous.
I saw Micky, and Bembe Orishe in atlanta last fall, and it was super smokin', i however could have done without the few dead covers...

I find them to be a little contrived...
I know they know how to play those songs...but i have been on the bus for a while now, and personally dig it, when the bus goes to new places.

just my humble opinion, if you need to flame me, the address is: space@whitelion.net, feel free to bring it ;)
NOW: New Orleans rocked, i was there from friday morning, and left after one last dip into the Quarter after the Saturday night show...and i saw the police presense, but my entire trip from atlanta to N.O. and back, i saw no ploice action whatsoever...i'm sure folks got busted, but i didn't see any of it, it was a real peaceful time,
the only complaint i have, and i am going to bring it up, because someone should,
The trash that was left behind on the auditorium floor, was disgusting.
Not point any fingers, but if you left your space filty like that...you should be ashamed of yourself.
NOTHING BUT FOOTPRINTS, REMEMBER?

anyhow, P&F was killer, The mule, rocked, and
I myself had a righteous time,
looking forward to Phil this summer in ATL.
peace
stiCk


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By rastafari (Petertosh) (205.188.196.32) on Monday, May 06, 2002 - 11:37 am: Edit Post

HEY...
WHERE'S EVAN???
Anyone heard from him yet?
I hope he didn't disappear in NO...


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By michael (Eastatlhead) (165.121.249.211) on Monday, May 06, 2002 - 11:49 am: Edit Post

Picky head review - mediocre 5/4/2002

With the history of the Dead and New Orleans, I think I just expected a little more than a show with half the tunes from the new CD.

I've seen (and heard) Celebration and Patchwork Quilt a couple of times each and both of these were solid versions.
No More Do I & Again and Again - this was the first time I had heard either of these tunes and I was just trying to take them in. Neither had any real energy that sucked me in, but it could be that I was listening a little too hard.

One thing that really drove me nuts was that all the big jams seemed to totally deconstruct before they would start a new tune. Did any one else notice this? I enjoy a long energetic jam that goes somewhere, but instead of jamming into a tune, the jams just seemed to fall apart. The only 2 jams that worked themselves into songs seemed to be jam into The Wheel and the jam between UBC->Masons

Ok - there were some stellar moments. The Wheel was slow and melodic with a pace remniscient of a nice '76 version. Beautifully Broken is a Warren tune I really enjoy. FOTD and Casey Jones had a ton of energy that was really needed at the end of set 1. Shakedown got everyone out of their seats. UBC is always welcome. The Mason's Children closer was huge and possibly the best version of this one I've seen so far. I really like it in the closing slot.

The Good Lovin' Encore was fun, but it took a while for Robert Randolf to get on the same page with everyone else and his part of the jam seemed a little sloppy and frenetic until he got into the groove.

Anyway - the Big Easy, was big fun. Not the best show I've seen, but sometimes it takes a few lackluster ones to make you really appreciate the great ones.

Hope everyone made it home safely, and I'll see y'all this summer.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Georgie1 (Georgie1) (63.185.75.218) on Monday, May 06, 2002 - 12:07 pm: Edit Post

Some other random thoughts from the show:

Fairgrounds not as crowded as Saturday, Buffett folks gone...Not as hot... With a couple of fold out chairs and a blanket you could create a nice space on the grass... When Jimmy was finally ready to play (UJB) he made up for it by extending and shredding the opening and middle portions... Warren's guitar just gets better everyday, that's why to say this band was better a year and a half ago doesn't make sense... Jams between songs truncated, still intense... Liberty: weak... Weir sporting white goatee, did most of the singing when he was out, traded verses with Phil during Franklins... Saturday show better... During donor rap, Phil spoke movingly about all the artists and energy surrounding the Fest. But will he be back next year? Doubt it.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Evan (Esegal) (205.188.196.43) on Monday, May 06, 2002 - 12:11 pm: Edit Post

Too much Bobby in the PLQ set yesterday. After Sat. nights fun yet average Phil show, I was hoping for a rockin' one setter yesterday - hopefully similar to the set 1 on new year's. But we got Bobby instead and tons of him. The video screens kept focused on him about 75% of the time (nice beard-more than a touch of grey!!). Now I love Bob - but I came here to see PLQ and especially Warren. And Bobby stepped on Warren's toes more than once. I even enjoyed the Ratdog set for once - but please keep Bobby with Ratdog. PLQ is not the same unless Warren is in charge. It was a fun fun weekend, but the music lacked the punch of Denver. Sorry I didn't call Mark - my phone died at the fairgrounds. The eats at the show were unreal!! And someone owes me my wooden pipe back!!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Keyshawn Still Sucks (Keyshawnsucks) (64.252.14.83) on Monday, May 06, 2002 - 12:13 pm: Edit Post

Hmmmmmmm...based on some of the reviews coming in, it seems I wasn't too far wrong regarding Saturday night and the "new" songs, huh?
WHERE'S the JAMS?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Evan (Esegal) (205.188.196.43) on Monday, May 06, 2002 - 12:13 pm: Edit Post

And, why did they eliminate my favorite verse of Night of 1000 stars???? "Flippin through the pages of my soul, my heart rears up and swallows me whole. These were the moments of my life, since dissected with a thick blount knife" is not on the studio album nor being sung. They played this verse on 12/30 but not since. What gives?????


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Evan (Esegal) (205.188.196.43) on Monday, May 06, 2002 - 12:20 pm: Edit Post

UJB and Cumberland were the highlights. Bobby shouln't sing Help - his timing is off and Barraco sounds better. It was hard to listen to.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Evan (Esegal) (205.188.196.43) on Monday, May 06, 2002 - 12:23 pm: Edit Post

The new songs are fine and need to be heard live in the context of the show to appreciate. You will warm up to them Keyshawn - trust me. Just keep Bobby off the stage and we'll have a great summer.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By rastafari (Petertosh) (205.188.196.32) on Monday, May 06, 2002 - 12:26 pm: Edit Post

EVAN..thank Jerry you still are alive...
SOMEONE GIVE EVAN HIS WOODEN BOWL BACK...
you smoked than took it...UNCOOL...
Evan, we all know that you don't like Bobby, unless Garcia was standing beside him...
glad that you had a good time though...
what are you going to do today?
it's boring back here w/o you...
where's Katy?? O O
It sounds like Phil just wasn't himself this weekend? Bland setlist, Too many people, too hot, Weir...
well, next up...THE VIBES...
WHERE'S KATY!!!!!
call me later on my cell or I'll call you after 3 my time...
Find that waitress, go gamble and relax...
see ya tomorrow...

peter tosh...

by the way...the square was packed with ass yesterday!!!
packed with ass, packed with ass, The square was packed with ass...YEAH!!!!!!!!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Evan (Esegal) (205.188.196.43) on Monday, May 06, 2002 - 12:36 pm: Edit Post

Don't get me wrong my brother - Saturday night was great and i'm glad I got to experience the madness that is Jazzfest on Sunday. The best part was running into people that I haven't seen in 10 years by accident. Now THAT is what this is all about- bringing people together. And THAT is why this weekend was special and why I will continue to travel the country in search of old friends and new ones. (plus, all of our sports teams have been eliminated - when's Eagles training camp start??) Oh, don't forget that you're engaged dude - save some for me!!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By rastafari (Petertosh) (205.188.196.32) on Monday, May 06, 2002 - 12:42 pm: Edit Post

Engaged??? what's that///Just kidding, of course.
I'm SO glad that you had a great time...
Funny story about running into that dude that you haven't seen it 10-15 years...
"Larry?"
"No, Dave."
He still took the $3 Bowl ..it got us through Golden Gate Park though...Where's Eve look-a-like?
Dude, I'm saving all that ass for you. I'm now the perfect point-man...Shoot-Score for A.I...Assist to Peter Tosh...


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Roadweiry (Roadweiry) (208.4.81.229) on Monday, May 06, 2002 - 01:07 pm: Edit Post

Screw phil and friends and screw ratdog. they just need to all get back together...with Micky billy and vince and find some dude that no one knows to play lead.


Peace.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Bucky (Bucky) (130.132.243.47) on Monday, May 06, 2002 - 02:15 pm: Edit Post

>>>>I work within the "Corporate World"...on the 'net...and can keep the window open all day
and check in periodically.

Yeah, Keyshawn works in the Corporate world......

But he can't keep from getting a stain on his shirt at lunch.

The under/over for Keyshawn's first stain on his shirt is 1 & 1/2 minutes after the duck sauce & crispy noodles arrive.

And I'm taking under........
:)


BTW, I posted a nice fairly long reply last night (see what I started again - LOL!), but my computer crashed.
I took it as a sign that I've had enough of this silly back & forth debate & it's time to bow out of it.
What's left to say?
"Give me Dark Star or give me a refund" as Patrick Hempry said......

I WILL say ONE more thing (yeah right you're thinking):

If I WAS at the show saturday, you can be sure the CORRECT set would've been posted first time........


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Chris Harris (Chatl) (206.97.16.130) on Monday, May 06, 2002 - 02:53 pm: Edit Post

First Jazzfest, all in all an incredible, over the top time.
what a way to spend a weekend!
I thought sat. nite's show, while top-heavy w/ new songs, was a good one, and I had a great time. Granted, it was not a show like 4/20/01 or a new years or even a Phillmore show from the past 2 years in intensity, but myself and everyone around me seemed to be having a great time. I expected to hear a lot of the new songs, b/c when a band puts a new album out, they want to play the new stuff. I thought it was in keeping w/ the spirit of jazzfest to come to town and show off the new wares and the old good ones, that is what keeps music fresh, no?
the caution jam in the second set was badass, but did seem to lack the rave up ending that the one in Vail had. No complaints here though, I took a bunch of friends who had never seen PHil before and they LOVED it.
--Bucky and Keyshawn , you certainly have a right to your opinion which I respect ( and a constitutional right to be wrong, please bear in mind :-)) but it is a downer to come home and check the board and read from armchair monday morning quarterbacks about how the show probably sucked when you were not there and have only seen the list. Save the disparaging comments until you have at least heard the show.
-anyone who has never been to jazzfest, do yourself a favor and go!
looking forward to Atlanta in July!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Brother Dallas (Brotherdallas) (68.63.57.67) on Monday, May 06, 2002 - 02:54 pm: Edit Post

Was it me or were those shows boring.
Phil has one of the best bands in the world yet for some reason the song selection is uninteresting and the music has no energy. They take it out and never bring it back. I loved this band last August, worshipped this band, bragged about this band. Someone tell me what has happened to this band.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Brother Dallas (Brotherdallas) (68.63.57.67) on Monday, May 06, 2002 - 03:02 pm: Edit Post

The best thing about Sat. night was Gov't Mule.
The worst crime: having Robert Randolph on stage and playing Good Love. What a waste. Jimmy, who might be the finest guitarist is never loud enough. And the show was so uninspired, the sound man was sleeping at the board. Honest.
That's how bad it was.
Bobby's band on Sunday blew the stage apart. DJ Logic is a nice choice to be in that band. I really wish I would have seen Ratdog on Sat. instead of Phil. I can't believe I am saying this.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Keyshawn Still Sucks (Keyshawnsucks) (64.252.14.83) on Monday, May 06, 2002 - 03:09 pm: Edit Post

Chris:

If we're so far off base, Monday Morning Quarterbacking-wise, how is it that the reviews that are coming in are bearing US out?

And Bucky?
I'm NOW carrying a spare shirt in the car!
:)


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By LordHenry (Terrapindew) (68.8.14.25) on Monday, May 06, 2002 - 04:10 pm: Edit Post

>>I really wish I would have seen Ratdog on Sat. instead of Phil. I can't believe I am saying this.

Get this man to a hospital fast, hes losing his sense to determine crap from genius!

And anytime I say, Ratdog, I mean R-A-T-Dog, or wait...do I mean B-E-E-F-Ball.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Brother Dallas (Brotherdallas) (68.63.57.67) on Monday, May 06, 2002 - 04:19 pm: Edit Post

Did you see the shows this weekend Lord Henry?
Did you see the crowd reaction at jazzfest when Bobby's band was playing compared to Phil's incarnation. I like Bobby I don't love his band, however I and others thought he put together a good show. Phil god love him, I wonder if he listens to his shows. I don't want the old dead, I just think Phil was better last summer.
Oh, Phil should really let Warren and Rob sing all the time, their voices are amazing. While Phil singing was a novelty with the Dead, now he is more than an acquired taste.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By LordHenry (Terrapindew) (68.8.14.25) on Monday, May 06, 2002 - 05:46 pm: Edit Post

Hey Brother Dallas,
Sorry if my coment was rude, I was just joking. :) no offense.

I just have a very hard time believing that any Ratdog show could be better than a Phil Sojourn. I personally think Phil and the boys get better every time they play, though some nights are not as sectacular as others, they seem to raise the bar every night they play.
This is just my opinion, but I dont think most of the people at Jazzfest who are there to see none Dead/Jam bands dont really understand Phils music. Its like those bunch people I saw at the warfield who were sitting down the entire time. They dont seem to get in the groove of jams and like more songs, Jams can be a mindbloggling experience for good or worse. I havent heard the shows yet as to make a straight judgement, but this is from past experienes. And everyones opionions vary and I should respect them for what they are.

I am glad people are enjoying Ratdog, I was just very dissapointed at the 12/30/01 show and lost a lot of faith in the Ratdog.

Peace my friend


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By LordHenry (Terrapindew) (68.8.14.25) on Monday, May 06, 2002 - 05:48 pm: Edit Post

Oh yes and WARREN is made of SOLID GOLD!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Evan (Esegal) (205.188.200.22) on Monday, May 06, 2002 - 05:58 pm: Edit Post

I saw that Warren snub of Bobby too - I don't know about you, but I don't Warren all pissed off when he's playing. Weir did the same thing on NYE and Warren took off for a song. Warren wants to blast off and go for a nice long ride and that's what I'm looking for. I have too much respect for Bobby and hate to keep ripping him, but why is it that Warren plays all the time with so many various artists and is consistantly excellent, and he and Weir can't get on the same page? Our time with PLQ may not be long, so let's keep the Quintet focused on blowing our minds as they have been. And keep the special appearances down to Derek Trucks (see 4/4), Dylan in Aspen this fall (wow!!), Dickey (still waiting for that Blue Sky at the Beacon-play that Mtn. Jam though on Bret's Soundzone-excellent!), and Willie (see the Camden show that Rasta spent in the port-o-pottie).


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Dewit (Dewit) (152.163.207.208) on Monday, May 06, 2002 - 06:17 pm: Edit Post

I see this is the review of Jazzfest, not Saturday night...Ratdog was really really good...end. Warren didn't snub Bobby, stop making that shit up. It is quite obvious that certain songs do not require all of them...next person, Bobby didn't snub Warren during Cassidy...one comment...Bobby, Jimmy was behind you, not down Jerry way...

The songs were great...I will always prefer to see Phil and Friends solo...standouts: the opening slide to Cassidy by Warren...the Music Never Stopped leads by Jimmy...The Real Thing, because I love it...Tom Thumb because its been to long, the really really good Franklin's which was winding its way thru my mind like a liquid freight train, great slide, lead and rhythm..."the ROCK STAR" that Jimmy is!!! Rob was great all weekend. Molo continues to move me, and I have never been a drum fan...

Special huge thanks to Phil and John Molo this morning for the amazing nice thing they did for a fellow zoner...and John, you can borrow my phone anytime...and you give great hug!!!!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By gideon (Mobetterdead) (216.78.155.82) on Monday, May 06, 2002 - 07:24 pm: Edit Post

that sounds a bit better...bring on the tapes!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By CJ LaCroix (Riverman) (24.158.223.132) on Monday, May 06, 2002 - 07:48 pm: Edit Post

New guy here. May 4th was my first gov't mule and phil and friends show. Some of the jams did get a little bogged down w/ phil but all in all it was an outstanding concert. This is only coming from a dude who's seen some of the best bands since the mid-70's, greatful dead included, and I would definitely shell out another 40 bucks for a repeat performance. Also, to the humbolt county cutie with the cheesecake, thanks.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By john (Aiq) (65.138.109.5) on Monday, May 06, 2002 - 08:19 pm: Edit Post

i was not there. i live two hours away. bread, or the lack thereof. hold that sympathy, it's cool.

dj logic is a permanant member of ratdog? when/why did people accept that scratching an old album is a musical instrument?

phil's current band is da shit! and i'm really sad i won't be hearing them this year. thank allahgodhayzeusbuddhakrishna that people tape and trade!!!!!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By dossman 58 (Dossman58) (68.100.84.238) on Monday, May 06, 2002 - 10:31 pm: Edit Post

hey Dewit, sorry we missed you at the funky's...

The Aiko>Wanna Dance>All came for you w/ Bob was great. Brian Stolz could be the guitar player nobody knows in this ??? band. That guy kills me. Hope Papa Funk gets outta the wheelchair soon. The Meters opened into feelin a little bit under the weather. PERFECT ( and a perfect show to a great weekend )

next fest..SNAFU with us

A quick post for both shows w/ Phil and Bob. The First set at the Aud was a bit slow, but the second set made up for it all. The disc will bear it out. Robert Randolph kicked ass on the Good Lovin, IMHO. How does a person who was not even there review a show? If you guys don't like Bob, don't go to Chicago later on this summer, when the past lives again for better or worse. I hope all incarnations of all these bands exist in their various formats. Something for everyone, ya know? Strength in Diversity or something like that. The Sun was sucking the life out of me on the Fairgrounds when it was out, and it wasn't much cooler onstage. Nonetheless, everyone has an opinion and should be heard. I had fun, and thanks to all the zoners I met there in the Big Easy! YOu all were FANTASTIC! See you on the road this summer. Special Thanks to SCHNEE and DEWIT!!!!!!

Please folks, quit raggin Bob. 30+ years in the biz. Show a little respect. If you have nothin constructive to say, just keep it to yourselves. It stopped being amusing in the 70's... The Ratdog set at the 5/4 show was great and I saw dead shows that were worse. The horn section was truly fitting for the venue. I say he recruits the best players for whereever he is. It adds a lot.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By dossman 58 (Dossman58) (68.100.84.238) on Monday, May 06, 2002 - 10:36 pm: Edit Post

and Evan !!! those posts at the thread start are great... especially the New Orleans one. Saw the GD pull that out in Toronto at the Eyeball show. A late pal gave me a wonderful copy of the 88 show. These shows didn't get to the GD w/Nevilles level, but it sure was fun down there! The Radiators kicked ass too!!!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By LessThan (Lessthan) (32.102.11.40) on Tuesday, May 07, 2002 - 12:15 am: Edit Post

I had decided during the Beacon shows last fall to stop posting reviews becuase I FELT I was putting to much of myself into the review and KNOWING that it is different for each person made a review kinda pointless. I also will always say when it comes to someones art if you cant say something nice don't say anything at all, why take the effort to rip someone? But I will certainly take time out to say that if you aren't at a show you have pretty big balls critizing it.
If you two want to bring that stuff up after every fucking show do me a favor and just start a different spool of threads titled "KEY AND BUCK RATE THE SETLIST". EVERYBODY GETS IT HERE OK? WE KNOW YOU WANT TO HEAR THE JAMMY JAMS. WE GET IT. You can post anything you want and freedom of speech and blah blah blah whatever....just don't poision every single review thread with your inane arguements about how this song has this amount of jam possibility or that amount of jam inertia. If you weren't at the show you have NO CLUE as to what happened....hell I was at the show and I have no clue what happened.

You want to rehash this same arguement again and again I am asking you PLEASE..for the love of mike just start one thread and contain it to that thread. You can just bump it to the top after each show.

This is just my opinion, nothing personal, ok?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By 024 (Deadicatedmamma) (24.216.41.194) on Tuesday, May 07, 2002 - 01:33 am: Edit Post

>>>>The Radiators kicked ass too!!!

THANK YOU THANK YOU THANKYOU Dossman!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The Rads, one of my all-time fav cover bands. They do rock your bootie! It's so nice to see someone who's been touched by the Rads. I've been w/ em for 10 years strong.. They love it here in Minne. Two places to see hot Rads shows, New Orleans & Minnesota.

Finally someone around here besides myself has had the chance to appreciate a hot Rads show. Hallalouja!!!!!!!!! BTW. The Radiators have been around for nearly 25 years. Complete dance your ass of music!!!!!
THE ORIGINAL FISHHEAD MUSIC. This is very exciting news!!!!!!!! :*)

http://www.radiators.org/


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By midyswel (Mightyswell) (66.83.9.70) on Tuesday, May 07, 2002 - 09:23 am: Edit Post

> hell I was at the show and I have no clue what happened.

I resemble that comment...

Did anyone besides myself have a problem with all the dread-rats choosing Phil's show Sat. to be their forum to protest for decriminaliztion of marijuana? Of all the bands and all the venues, can't they just stick to Widespread or Ratdog or whoever? It was stupid, silly and only served to create tension and negativity around the venue. if that's what's in store for the summer the scene won't be pretty.

favorite sights and sounds from Jazzfest:

watching the 6'5" blonde transvestite boogying to zydeco version of ABB's One Way Out in the quarter, then seeing the little frat guy come running out into the street, puke, then back inside to get another drink...

the Steal Your Face/ Crawfish Flag at Phil on Sunday.....

All the local food at the fairgrounds, like crawfish cakes and oyster/artichoke soup MMmmmmmmmm...

seeing THE Big River...

hearing new songs live...

watching my wife get off on Phil AND The Mule...

Unbroken>Masons

Cumberland Blues, Just Like Tom Thumb's Blues

air conditionaing and cold water!

meeting new zone friends


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Keyshawn Still Sucks (Keyshawnsucks) (64.252.14.83) on Tuesday, May 07, 2002 - 09:38 am: Edit Post

Wellllllllllllllllll...how should I put this, LessThan?
Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm...
I'll say this...we have been listening to this music...going to shows...for nigh on a quarter century now.
We know these pieces of music very, very well. There is no denying that there are pieces of music DESIGNED to "breathe deeply" i.e. expand, evolve in many different directions, and there are those that are not.
We favor, as you said, the MANY, MANY pieces of music that can go in those diverse directions.
When we see a setlist filled with the songs that we KNOW do not fulfill THAT potential, we do not necessarily HAVE TO be there to KNOW on that particular night, they did not play to the fullest extent within the style which we favor.
As the reviews from this weekend, ESPECIALLY this past Saturday night, are bearing out.
No...if we are not there, then we did not ACTUALLY hear it.
However, the sheer amount of time over the last quarter century put in listening to THIS music, grants us the KNOWLEDGE to KNOW, within a "reasonable tolerance" percentage, what BASICALLY went on.
And, as I've said, the Reviews here, for the most part, ARE bearing that out.
As far as "poisoning every single thread"...please scroll up and check out my post of May 5 at 6:42PM. In that, I suggested, for those who believe we are ONLY negative...to check out the last several posts Bucky and I made under the 4/1/02 Show Review. There, we list the dates of MANY, MANY Phil shows which we have reviewed, in sometimes MINUTE, note for note detail. You might just see our logic and thinking in a different perspective then.
You're right about one thing though....
We DO have "big balls"...always did (sometimes to our detriment)...and have never been shy about expressing our opinions or views.
And, as you...this is NOT personal...its our VIEWS on what we know about the music, that's all.
:)
NOW...all that being said, lets you and I get back to what's REALLY important.
The PROLIFIC and DIVERSE talents of Pete Townsend!!!
:)


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Greg Gorden (Gordo) (24.158.223.132) on Tuesday, May 07, 2002 - 10:44 am: Edit Post

For my first post I can say only this, you good folks worry too much. I know y'all have high expectations and want PLF to push the outer limits every night, but you can have a good time, too - which is something I see missing in most of the posts. For a person who has seen a ton of shows and has an abundance of tapes, etc., seeing Phil and Gov't Mule was pure fun. Sure, I think the Mule smoked and PLF was great (with some of the Phil jams bogging down and the new tunes hard to decipher in the sometimes muddy mix), but for the most part it was great just to see folks coming together and having a great time. Every night won't be perfect, musically, but these guys are human. Also, I think it's great that this community has so many opportunities to see music they love and enjoy, real living music, not Britney Spears crap that floods the airwaves. Why not celebrate that and just take it as it is and not nitpick like a bunch of old retirees sitting around the rest home? Because, frankly, that is what most of you sound like. To paraphrase Joni Mitchell, you don't know what you've got 'till its gone. Maybe that is a thought some of you should remember before dogging the musicians and people in your community. Also, I'd like to take this opportunity to thank all of those who put this music out onto the net so people like me, with limited opportunities to see it live, can catch a audible glimpse and appreciate what y'all get to see and hear and experience on a regular basis, thanks!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Rev. Bud E. Greene (Randomposter) (66.32.105.101) on Tuesday, May 07, 2002 - 11:26 am: Edit Post

"NOW...all that being said, lets you and I get back to what's REALLY important.
The PROLIFIC and DIVERSE talents of Pete Townsend!!! "


maybe this time The Who will change their setlist at least once instead of playing "lets see action" every single night. I have toured with the who and its the same repeated listless show all tour long and I would probably bet with this new tour they will break out their old setlists from 2000 and repeat the same shows again.But i am probably wrong because nissan and the drug companies will want them to play their commercials!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Keyshawn Still Sucks (Keyshawnsucks) (64.252.14.83) on Tuesday, May 07, 2002 - 11:31 am: Edit Post

Well Rev. I'm not "touring"...I'm going to ONE show. On my Birthday...at The Garden.
As far as commercialism...well "There and Back Again" comes out to the public in a few weeks and a FULL FOURTY PERCENT of Saturday nights' Phil show consisted of songs from that CD.
Thats ok though, huh?
:)


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Countryman (Countryman) (152.163.204.213) on Tuesday, May 07, 2002 - 11:43 am: Edit Post

I second what Gordo said; let's lighten up a wee bit here folks, and dig it while you can.

And you Bobby Bashers ought to consider that, there's always pros and cons to having guests sit in with a cohesive and tight jam band. It was often fun to catch that odd show where the Dead would have a guest jamming, but truthfully, I never expected those shows to my favorites, just because of the nature of the beast.

Having said that, I would love to catch a Bobby night among my Phil and Friends experiences, for the excitement of hearing Bob and Phil play the olde songs together and because I happen to think Bob is still a great singer and great player.

Just my 2 cents.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By 024 (Deadicatedmamma) (24.216.41.194) on Tuesday, May 07, 2002 - 12:32 pm: Edit Post

>>>>Why not celebrate that and just take it as it is and not nitpick like a bunch of old retirees sitting around the rest home?

LOL! Wonderful observation Gordo. :*)


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Keyshawn Still Sucks (Keyshawnsucks) (64.252.14.83) on Tuesday, May 07, 2002 - 12:37 pm: Edit Post

Why not, you ask.
Because...now...I'm speaking for MYSELF only here...although I think Bucky would concur...
That's what I/(we) am/(are).
We ARE tough...and we want what we want.
BUT...we are also LAVISH with our praise...when praise is warranted.
Somehow, I DO get the feeling I'm older than the VAST, VAST majority of the "posters" here.
And, if I may take the liberty, Bucky AIN'T far behind me in age.
:)


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By CJ LaCroix (Riverman) (24.158.223.132) on Tuesday, May 07, 2002 - 01:40 pm: Edit Post

Let's see.... I'm old enough to buy beer twice (42), and Phil's about what,61? We should enjoy each and every show like it's the last one. Who the hell knows, it just might be. I hope I can still rock like that at 61. Particularly, if like Phil and do it for the pleasure of it, not because my pensions not big enough and I'll have to greet people at Wal-Mart with a smile and a hello. He works because he wants to, not just to please us. I'm beginning to rant. Sorry.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Keyshawn Still Sucks (Keyshawnsucks) (64.252.14.83) on Tuesday, May 07, 2002 - 01:53 pm: Edit Post

Welllllll...here's a guy who's the same age as myself.
But CJ, do you really think Phil does this soley for "the pleasure of it"?
Money and the lifetstyle he and his family enjoy have nothing to do with it, huh?
Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm....
:)


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By CJ LaCroix (Riverman) (24.158.223.132) on Tuesday, May 07, 2002 - 02:10 pm: Edit Post

I would imagine being in The Greatful Dead didn't exactly promote an IRA account. It just seems to me the guy's having too much fun. As the son of an organ receiver, I can understand a second lease on life promoting major individual changes in lifestyle. Who knows, he might be doing it just to promote organ donatorship. Sounds a bit altruistic, yet if so, more power to him. I'm sure the money doesn't hurt either.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Keyshawn Still Sucks (Keyshawnsucks) (64.252.14.83) on Tuesday, May 07, 2002 - 02:17 pm: Edit Post

Point well taken.
:)


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Headlight (Headlight) (66.113.26.32) on Tuesday, May 07, 2002 - 02:52 pm: Edit Post

>BUT...we are also LAVISH with our praise...when praise is warranted.

I'd gladly do without either of your praise, lavish or otherwise if it meant that we didn't have to wade through the rest. Just speaking for myself!

This place is already way to full of negativity without a regular dose in the Show Review threads from people who weren't even at the shows. As far as that goes, even for people who were at the shows, but at least they have that experience to draw from.

BTW Key, I'm 47, not that I can fathom in the least what that might have to do with anything relevant. I'll still dance the heinie off anyone half my age...


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Bucky (Bucky) (130.132.243.90) on Tuesday, May 07, 2002 - 03:38 pm: Edit Post

"ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ"

Less Than:

Read my post from Monday afternoon.
I quit.
I'm as sick of arguing with people like you as I am with the new songs & new breakouts.

I'll just count the days between now & GOTV......
Gee, I can't wait for 'Musta Been the Roses'
:)


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Huck Lewis (Huckberry) (162.83.188.60) on Tuesday, May 07, 2002 - 03:49 pm: Edit Post

my review is coming....and it will be a tome...I will segregate it so as not to clutter up.

HOWEVER...anyone who went to NOLA expecting Dark Star or Viola is smoking crack. It's all about the new album and exposing people....and that isn't a bad thing.

Sat. The Wheel had huge jams....drippy shit. Caution??? Unbroken>Masons....yum, works for me, in terms of ancient of days, truly, it does.
And Sunday? Smoking Franklins....totally. But that gig is like a Festival, man, it's all upbeat and light....Cassidy, Music Never...Liberty....1000 stars....you know....I always figured it would be like that. Dark Star at 4 in the afternoon in the sweltering heat with zydeco echoing in the background? Um, NO. Anyway, continue...more later...but I kinda thought these shows would always be a little....oh...FOTD, Casey...and truly....one of my highlights....was Again & Again.

Shoot me now....hee hee hee...


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Bucky (Bucky) (130.132.243.90) on Tuesday, May 07, 2002 - 04:09 pm: Edit Post

>>> Again & Again.

Don't you mean Around & Around?

Sorry, couldn't resist....

:)


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Huck Lewis (Huckberry) (162.83.188.60) on Tuesday, May 07, 2002 - 04:14 pm: Edit Post

No, mannnnnnn. I hate R&R, truly, roach. Good versions, sure, whatever, I dont dig. But Again& Again....Bucky....a bus worth getting on...dreamy ride....:)


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Keyshawn Still Sucks (Keyshawnsucks) (64.252.14.83) on Tuesday, May 07, 2002 - 04:16 pm: Edit Post

Headlight:

I said that I believed MOST people were younger than myself...not all.
And where the age comes in, is sheer TIME.
Life experience.
We keep saying you guys are HARPING on the negative things we say.
Why not take our suggestion of checking the last several posts made under the 4/1/02 Show Review. Look at the MANY, MANY dates listed there. Check THOSE shows and our remarks, out.
See how "negative" we are on those. (Wry laughter)
You would see we DO enjoy ourselves and the VAST MAJORITY of the music.
BUT..it seems that its too easy to say we're negative because we don't drool over every little nugget thats offered.
And..I'll say this once more...NO...we were not there this weekend.
But if you read through this thread I see FAR more reviews along the lines of "negativity" from people who WERE there.
If we don't know, because as you say, we weren't there...then how come we seem to be right?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By midyswel (Mightyswell) (66.83.9.70) on Tuesday, May 07, 2002 - 04:36 pm: Edit Post

Bucky, don't mean to bust on you bro' cuz you clearly know the terrain but... how do you reconcile your purported religious beliefs with what comes off as a bunch of self-agrandizing arrogance? Aint it all about walking the walk?

Huck, you nailed it. This was not a normal show or a particularly Phil-knowledgeable crowd. It was the perfect forum to feature so much new material.

In regard to Ratdog's reception two observations:

1) ANY addition (excepting a DJ) is gonna be an improvement to Ratdog's sound, especially when it's a coupla ringer horn players (and they were outstanding!).

2) The converse cannot be said for Phil & Co. Period. Any tinkering with the five basic ingredients will dilute/muddy the formula.

I LOVE Bob Weir, but they shoulda given him the hook after Cassidy. Like I said, Phil's all about the class.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Headlight (Headlight) (66.113.26.38) on Tuesday, May 07, 2002 - 05:06 pm: Edit Post

>If we don't know, because as you say, we weren't there...then how come we seem to be right?


I don;t know, but can offer a couple of ideas...

Maybe you've heard the expression that bad news travels fast?

Maybe the people that didn't have a good time and thought the shows were lame couldn't wait to get online and express themselves.

Maybe the folks that did have a good time and thought the shows were good are still traveling. Maybe the positive folks have better threads to post in trying to staunch some of the other ton of negativity flowing throughout the Zone these daze!

I see a lot of negativity about Bob, but I'm sure we're all used to that by now. Why should we have to be though is the point!

Like I said I don't know.

I saw the list you and B posted, but unfortunately with the dial-up I've got, going back and rereading some, what I am sure are fairly lengthy posts, is not in my cards.

I'm sure you both are and can be positive, so you don't have to prove anything along those lines to me.

What I am not sure is can you be good Zone citizens and quit raining on everybody else's parade?

It all goes back to those things we all should have learned a long time ago and which I hope you are passing along to your own three children, if you don't have something good to say, don't say anything. What's the harm?

Do you feel the absolute need to be the balance of power here? Is it some sort of ego thing that we all must read the bad with the good?

Don't we all get enough of that with the world in the shapes its in today?

I'll leave it alone from now on, because I doubt if any one or more persons' opinions or attempts at phriendly persuasion is going to change your behavior.

Keep on keeping on!

I promise you this, that if you ever come to CO, I'll treat you just as kindly as I would the Zoners I've already come in contact with and that's a fact!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By LessThan (Lessthan) (162.33.155.189) on Tuesday, May 07, 2002 - 05:30 pm: Edit Post

have you caught my disease huck?...
It seems so...
I don't know why but I just love the pregnent pause of a fat ellipse...


Keesh, and Buckster, I want to say that I was not in a very good mood when I wrote that and even after toning it down considerable it still comes off to harsh in the light of day. You guys don't poison every review thread and I know it. I understand your points I just don't agree. But that doesn't give me the right to confine you to one spot in our community. For that I apologize.

But for the being there not being there part...I still don't buy it. Sorry but I don't care how much music you have lived IMHO you shouldn't pass judgment on that which you don't know. You never overreached yourself and actually criticized anything but the song choice, I know, but my point is hey man what is done is done. If you want to post your opinions of a show go right ahead but I don't see the purpose of regurgitating the same old argument in over the top tones of sarcasms when all you are talking about is the supposed flow from one song to another at a show you didn't attend. But enough of that let me reiterate that I give you your due and see your points have a logical air of consideration about them and only hate when it becomes a huge pissing match.

Nola... what do I say? Well for the first time in my life the show was second on my priority list.

I hereby OFFICIAL enter my vote to START one seasons tour in NEW ORLEANS EVERY YEAR LIKE CLOCKWORK!!!!!:):) Jazzfest was a nice stage to play but it will drain my bank account every year...can't do it...But if PLF plays every spring opener there!!!WAHOO!

The city is alive and happening...There was not enough days in my vacation to eat the food I wanted to.

MMMMMMM red beans and RICE...

I want to say I never would have come to NOLA if it weren't for Phil...I have always wanted to see New Orleans, but new felt the draw was enough till Phil showed me the light...

More reviewing to come after Huck gushes...


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By JD (Drunkeneagle) (66.81.137.167) on Tuesday, May 07, 2002 - 09:27 pm: Edit Post

>>As far as commercialism...well "There and Back Again" comes out to the public in a few weeks and a FULL FOURTY PERCENT of Saturday nights' Phil show consisted of songs from that CD.

Bingo, keyshawn. It's a summer showcase for sure. Not the direction I was hoping this band would go when i first saw them two years ago. I have seen the new songs (more than i would have hoped) and they are not very strong...they're ok, but come on...the real thing? oof. and to see people going ape shit over songs like liberty or standing on the moon is just too much, those songs never did anything for me at dead shows, let alone phil shows.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Schnee (Schnee) (65.139.35.90) on Tuesday, May 07, 2002 - 09:33 pm: Edit Post

I dont know about anyone else but I still hear the Jammy Jams . . . Keysh, Buck, I hear where you're coming from but I think your misdirected. For the record I phoned these lists in and I figure that you knowledgable heads out there "get it" and I dont have to clutter up the Zone with "Jam".

I also want to add a quick comment here about whats going on in this board. Phil and his message are about finding love in the music. My committment to this site and to the community were born from Phil's phoenix like emergence back into our community. These boards have always been proof to me that you guys were ignited by the same match. To come home from a week that inspired more love thru music than I can really put to words right now and find the fucking train wreck that has happened in parts of this discussion board really make me sit back and wonder. I dont want to change a thing about this board but Im not sure I can continue to support a "free-speech" forum that is so completely negative.

Maybe that crazy email virus has somehow gotten into our DNA. This board represents US, OUR community, to the public, is this how you guys really want to represent?

As far as Jazzfest was concerned, it was awesome!! I danced harder and longer than I have ever on ANY tour. 20+ bands, 7 days, and waaaaaay not enough sleep. Thanks to all the people who made it fun for me. Ill see you there next year Phil or not!!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By CJ LaCroix (Riverman) (24.158.223.132) on Tuesday, May 07, 2002 - 10:00 pm: Edit Post

Hey Schnee,
You're welcome down here anytime. Concerning your last post: Right On.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By LessThan (Lessthan) (162.33.155.189) on Tuesday, May 07, 2002 - 10:14 pm: Edit Post

I think that you hit the nail on the head. I also have to say that when I finally did get my laptop in New Orleans on MONDAY, the things I found did strip the glow of the weekend away.

I don't have any ideas on how you can keep someone from expressing themselves however they want and still get the depth and breadth of a community as the one we have here.

I still believe the analogy of the cocktail party is the best one I have found.

Schnee before any rash decision is made let's talk about some other options or suggestions I would like to make to your team.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By dossman 58 (Dossman58) (68.100.255.157) on Tuesday, May 07, 2002 - 10:33 pm: Edit Post

Yeah, what Schnee said... ;-)

The jazzfest is ALL about the love of music. ALL music. Music is love. Get it? As for commercial value of the album, It's been pretty generous, and mostly unheard of offer up the digital boards for an artist as huge as Mr. Lesh. I wish him and Bob all the best in their artistic endevours. Thanks Phil, and Bret and all Zoners who make this site and the PLQ scene continue to flourish in style. With or without PLQ, what a GREAT scene Superfly has goin' on down there. Returning for certain in 2003!

On a more serious note, PLEASE send the healing vibes to Brother Art Neville!!!! Papa Funk deserves all the Love too!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Schnee (Schnee) (65.139.35.90) on Tuesday, May 07, 2002 - 11:48 pm: Edit Post

LT and anyone else dont panic yet, this was just a reaction. I havent talked to anyone and dont know what the gang thinks. I probably should not have said anything but I had .02 left from nola burning a hole in my pocket . . .


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Matt Kane (Sugahkane) (209.245.7.97) on Wednesday, May 08, 2002 - 12:24 am: Edit Post

we landed on the dance floor of the Muni Aud. right in time for the Casey Jones set closer. we bought ourselves a couple of $5 beers and headed to the upper back balcony for the second set. and if you didn't enjoy the shit out of this set, then that is your loss. the song selection was hot, and the playing was hotter. i was doing karate kicks and chops all over the place. "All you need is a touch of mojo hand." then, one of my friends crapped his pants when they launched into Mason's Children because he is naming his expected baby "Mason." (i'd like to send a special thanks to his lovely pregnant wife for granting him a New Orleans Jazzfest kitchen pass). and a "Good Lovin" encore, i mean c'mon, the only kind of lovin is GOOD!

the Jazzfest daytime set was fantastic as well. more great song selection, and hot playing. sure bobby flubbed a few licks and a few lyrics. but it wouldn't be bobby weir if he wasn't doing that kind of thing. but it was sure nice to see him, and then with the Nevilles, and then with the Funky Meters later that night. by the way, we saw Bobby Weir eating dinner with Ratdog and friends including Brian Stoltz (Funky Meters - guitar) at Jacques-Imo's restaurant on Friday night.

back to the business at hand. all Phil Lesh and Friends shows are worthy of A+ grades. i feel lucky and blessed to see him perform material he wrote with the Grateful Dead back in the 60s and 70s, as well as anything new that he creates.

don't tell me this town aint got no heart,
sugah kane


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Georgie1 (Georgie1) (168.191.50.94) on Wednesday, May 08, 2002 - 01:00 am: Edit Post

Boiled crawfish and fried oysters at Frankie and Johnny's. Omlettes to die for at Camellia Grill. Driving down St. Charles with the old streetcar, and the trees, the old houses with the porches... There's Dylan's... Anne Rice's... The galleries in the quarter, Frenchy's, and the Greek dude who does the posters... Bands, bands, bands. More music than you can dream of. Never stops. Friendly people and the weather ain't that bad.... Yeah, I'm glad Phil got me down there too. The shows were great and I can't stop laughing at this board. I'll definitely be back.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Keyshawn Still Sucks (Keyshawnsucks) (64.252.14.83) on Wednesday, May 08, 2002 - 08:33 am: Edit Post

WOW!
I tip my NY Jets Baseball Cap to ALL of the posts made here since my last one yesterday afternoon.
ALL very perceptive and astute points.
The whole thing is really about LOVE after all, right?
Our intention, and I'm sure Bucky would agree, is really not to "rain on anybodys parade", although, as we pull no punches, I'm sure a lot of the things we say can be construed in that manner.
We ARE "old timers"..."old school" in a lot of ways, and yes Headlight, both Bucky and I teach our children what we HOPE is the correct, polite, and courteous way of approaching life.
Sometimes...HELL...a LOT of the time, we, as I'm sure this applies to all of us, don't always practice what we preach.
We are VERY opinionated...in the EXTREME! LOL
We have VERY definite ideas and ways of looking at things.
As long as we've known each other, Bucky and I, which is this September...30 years...have ALWAYS relished the good fight...the good debate.
The comments we make are really just to try and have a voice in keeping P&F as INTENSE as they were when Phil relit the torch with this amazing ensemble of musicians.
If you guys could've seen our reaction(s) the first several times we saw this band (the first time was with Warren and Derek), you wouldn't have recognized us! LOL
I told my wife (who is not a 'Head) several times..."The kids are on YOU...I'm goin' on tour with these guys...see ya in a month"!
And I was only half kiddin'! :)
What I'm tryin' to say is...we hope what we say is taken in the spirit with which it is intended...even if things DO sound harsh, we're really just trying, in our own way, to keep what we found for the first time with Phil on November 10, 1999 at the New Haven Veterans Memorial Coliseum (which we went to on a lark, just to see...and BOY! did we see!), as INTENSE as it was and continued to be for the next couple of years.
That's where we're comin' from.
Peace...
Keyshawn

And..by the way...I don't know who "Kona" really is, but I mostly like his views, ESPECIALLY his take on his favorite "Jerry Ballad"..."The Wheel".
..."couldn't you try jus' a little bit harder...couldn't you try jus' a little bit more".
Peace and love to him and his wife, Linda.
:)


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By LessThan (Lessthan) (162.33.155.189) on Wednesday, May 08, 2002 - 09:20 am: Edit Post

>>>>>>LT and anyone else dont panic yet, this was just a reaction.

That is how I took it so no worries...

My full review is coming soon but want to throw out a few moments that are still crystal for me...

the first bite of redbeans and rice right as Jean Knight kicked into Groove Me at the congo stage on friday...rouning the corner at P O'B's and seeing birthday boy's sorry ass...hurricaines....Having that first wave of Huckleberry wash over me at the Sat show, I think it's neat!...rollin' rollin' rollin' through the deserted streets with the bicoastal contingent...having my friends come home at 2am to find us throwing down in their hotel and asking if we need more beer...Schnee strapped in and 'all about the Stan' waiting by the elevator with every tooth showing and two thumbs up...Running into Doss and wife on the field sunday...watching the sun burst forth during Help...having DNC and PHILZONE dancing next to each other for the whole show on Sunday...

as you can see while I have music moments in my head it is the people moments that have my heart today...


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Christian Anderson (Skinman) (4.17.69.142) on Wednesday, May 08, 2002 - 12:09 pm: Edit Post

You know what? I had a blast at Jazz Fest and at the show sat night. Really good people and really great times with my brothers, JW JO, and the French brothers......As for all the reviews ( the negative ones), I could care less. I HAD A GREAT TIME AND THERE IS NOTHING YOU CAN DO ABOUT IT!!!!!!!!!!! :)

By the way Bucky and Keyshawn are just dicks.....so really who cares.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Chris Harris (Chatl) (206.97.16.130) on Wednesday, May 08, 2002 - 12:16 pm: Edit Post

That's more like it.
quite simply one of the best weekends Ive ever experienced from the food and fairgrounds, to the saenger theatre and all the late night shows,
that was one hell of a weekend. I took some good friends who have somehow missed out on the Phil train to the show saturday and their smiles were as wide as the mississippi river. met a ton of cool folks and wanted to thank everyone for playing!
I was so impressed by PHil & Co. returning to New Orleans to show off their zany brand of jazz, which we all know is the best, and cant get over what a good time it was.
cant wait for summer! Thanks again Phil and Friends and thanks to the kickass people who run this site. I sure hope the rolling rider made it to the big easy.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Keyshawn Still Sucks (Keyshawnsucks) (64.252.14.83) on Wednesday, May 08, 2002 - 12:23 pm: Edit Post

Christian Anderson:

Nowwwww... THAT'S the "kind", "ideals laden" way of extending the "olive branch".
Keep it up, pal.
Our sides hurt from laughing at your naivete'.
:)


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By TylerRoss (Tross) (65.213.98.202) on Wednesday, May 08, 2002 - 12:30 pm: Edit Post

People on this site can be way too insecure ... if you had a good time, it shouldn't matter what anybody else said about the show, especially if they didn't hear it ...


That said, I agree with MOST of what Keyshawn and Bucky say about setlists ... I take the paradoxical view that I want them to vary the setlists and play new material ... just not when I'm there! :)


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Christian Anderson (Skinman) (4.17.69.142) on Wednesday, May 08, 2002 - 12:47 pm: Edit Post

Why would I want to "extend" anything to you? My opinion is merely that you guys are "dicks". I don't consider myself to be insecure at all. I had a great time, you didn't and thats that. See you in the summer when you are complaining about yet another setlist or that you didn't hear the SHIT YOU WANTED TO.

Why should you care what I say...it is just an observation.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Keyshawn Still Sucks (Keyshawnsucks) (64.252.14.83) on Wednesday, May 08, 2002 - 12:53 pm: Edit Post

You're a funny guy, Christian.
How do YOU know WHAT kinda time myself, OR Bucky had this weekend?
And...one thing...you will NEVER find either one of us using ANY sort of obscenity DIRECTED at another PERSON on this site.
Keep that "good lovin' vibe" flowin', pally.
THAT'S why the laughter.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Keyshawn Still Sucks (Keyshawnsucks) (64.252.14.83) on Wednesday, May 08, 2002 - 12:57 pm: Edit Post

Tyler:

ANOTHER 54 Ring Gauge, 7 1/4" Hoyo De Monterrey Excalibur 1066 for you!
:)


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Georgie1 (Georgie1) (168.191.50.175) on Wednesday, May 08, 2002 - 12:59 pm: Edit Post

"Good music is music that I want to hear.
Bad music is music that I don't want to hear."

-Fran Lebowitz


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Bucky (Bucky) (130.132.243.29) on Wednesday, May 08, 2002 - 01:01 pm: Edit Post

Why Am I Even Here?


>>>>>Bucky, don't mean to bust on you bro' cuz you clearly know the terrain but... how do you
reconcile your purported religious beliefs with what comes off as a bunch of self-agrandizing
arrogance? Aint it all about walking the walk?

Which is arrogant?
A. My 'religious beliefs'
B. My Dead/Phil opinions
C. All of the above

I know I have a history of liking to 'break balls'. Sorry, that's me. At least it's good natured, not mean spirited like someone else who uses alot of different names around here......
But, I would give you the shirt off my back too. That's also me.

And, I know I hit like a sledgehammer.
Be patient, God's working on me.
But, a good Evangelist DOES need to have strength in his convictions, & that's why I was made:
To speak the word of God & the Good News to a dying world.

I often wonder why I even started back on the Dead/Phil thing.
I got saved & laid down the idol of Dead Music worship, getting rid of most of my rather large tape collection.

It was quite an accident that I returned. Keyshawn showed me a bunch of P&F setlists 3 days before P&F arrived in New Haven on 11-10-99.
I said "That's It For The Other One, St Stephen, The 11, Dark Star, with Warren Haynes, let's go."
I saw, I listened, I was hooked. Again.

I've spent most of the last 2 years using P&F as a good escape as I ran from our mess of a life, God Himself, Christians just as imperfect as myself (but in different ways) and the calling He has on my life.

But, on 9-11, I realized that we are in the Last Days & this is NO joke.
No more hiding, no more running.
The Truth is too important.
And, the consequences too severe.

And, a funny thing has & is happening here:
God is using me to speak the Truth into your lives.
There have been people touched. They have & do talk to me privately.

I've debated leaving here as I realize how trivial these matters like what song Phil plays are in the scope of things.

Then, this 'still small voice' reminds me why I stay:
"I love them & have sent you to them."

Peace, Bucky

PS: I'm not looking for another endless debate, but you asked........


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By midyswel (Mightyswell) (66.83.9.70) on Wednesday, May 08, 2002 - 02:04 pm: Edit Post

Bucky, love you man, and if we ever meet I'm sure I'll feel even more so. As to the source of my perception,

>If I WAS at the show saturday, you can be sure the CORRECT set would've been posted first time........

see what I mean, yeah all in good fun and I've got no problem with people stating setlist/show preferences and when we love something we may state our preferences strongly. My deal is there's a whole lot more integrity in actions than words. I was just observing the seeming incongruence in saying you're all about being an instrunent of God and then acting out of what seems like major ego, kinda dilutes the credibility a bit, dontcha think? And I'll quickly own that's MY shit and I apologize if I offended. Guess my deal is I don't condemn your beliefs, I'm very at peace with mine, and yeah, given the heavy times in the world AND the zone, don't we ALL bear a responsibility to treat each other with as much love and kindness as possible. All about the LOVE baby!!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Christian Anderson (Skinman) (4.17.69.142) on Wednesday, May 08, 2002 - 02:05 pm: Edit Post

I really do apologize for my behavior. Its a wonder I have made it this far in my 32 years. I really wish I had some ecclesiastical white out so that I would stop this preposterous attitude. But what can I do.......I feel bad really I do. If I only knew where to "find" God....maybe I could ask him if he could make Phil put together better setlists....as for what you guys did this weekend.....I really don't want to know.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Keyshawn Still Sucks (Keyshawnsucks) (64.252.14.83) on Wednesday, May 08, 2002 - 02:30 pm: Edit Post

Speaking for myself, there's "nothin' left to do but......
:) :) :) "


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Schnee (Schnee) (65.141.28.21) on Wednesday, May 08, 2002 - 03:19 pm: Edit Post

>If I WAS at the show saturday, you can be sure the CORRECT set would've been posted first time........

HA! Not likely. Nola is far far from home and the incorrect setlist had nothing to do with who was at the shows. Bucky dear, I know you and I know your heart but please remember we do this from the goodness of our hearts and when we rely on others to help us well sometimes things go awry in the confusion. With music going on 24/7 down there things get confused in the shuffle. Remember guys this is a fan site, we do our best, try to have a sense of humor about it.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Dewit (Dewit) (64.12.103.167) on Wednesday, May 08, 2002 - 06:12 pm: Edit Post

What Schnee said...and more. My review to come.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Bucky (Bucky) (130.132.243.17) on Wednesday, May 08, 2002 - 08:29 pm: Edit Post

Gee, I bet Dewit loved it:

No Dark Star or Other One to bore people with....

>>>Bucky, love you man, and if we ever meet I'm sure I'll feel even more so. As to the source
of my perception,

>If I WAS at the show saturday, you can be sure the CORRECT set would've been posted
first time........

Now, let's get this straight:
The reason I said what I said about the setlist being correct if I was there can be found at the top of this thread.

There's a bunch of incorrect & half setlists posted.

So, my point was, bash me for not liking a setlist, but at least I can remember what they play.......
Now, just how reliable is someone's review if they can't even remember what the band played?

I mean, what are we talking here?
12-15 songs?
It's not like it was The Who in 1989 when they played 40 something songs.
But Key & I sat down & came up with all of them, even though we were under the influence of Dragons or Dolphins or Bears (oh my).

And Schnee, get my message?
Respond if you like.
First, let me say that you at 'Admin' do a fine job, & allow & tolerate things other websites never would; See Me & my preaching or Jamman/Luke/Sal/PhilMcWade & his constant mean-spirited rudeness, or even the responses we elicit.....
Second, I realize that y'all at Admin. depend on people you don't know for setlists sometimes, especially from Middle America, & they're not always correct.
These lists were on the review thread, not the 'official' setlist posting anyhow.

BTW, I'm still trying to find 'Blue Train' between China Cat & Rider from Jones Beach 7-26-01......
:)


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Keyshawn Still Sucks (Keyshawnsucks) (152.163.207.79) on Wednesday, May 08, 2002 - 08:39 pm: Edit Post

Bucky:

We were flyin' with "Superman" the night of July 3, 1989.
Reeeeeememmmmmmberrrrrrrr???
:)


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By ^^ (Mongbat) (65.59.97.25) on Thursday, May 09, 2002 - 02:15 am: Edit Post

One thing I'd like to say is that what Phil has done with Unbroken Chain is amazing. This song is a fuckin' POWERHOUSE. In my honest opinion, this song can stand toe to toe with any other song Phil is doing at the moment. I was not at Jazzfest but the versions of this that I saw on 7/27/01, 11/26/01, and 11/30/01 are amazing.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By gideon (Mobetterdead) (66.21.228.78) on Thursday, May 09, 2002 - 02:34 am: Edit Post

yes mongbat
i feel the same way
i wish bucky and key would add this to their most wanted list
my first non dead chain was 11/9/99 and man o man


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By JohnniePoe (Lloyddobler) (12.73.239.58) on Thursday, May 09, 2002 - 04:07 am: Edit Post

I am new here and hope I don't post anything out of line. Looks like a lot of interesting musical conversation goes on in this forum.
I am from New Orleans and have been at every JazzFest since 78(8 years old back then, cool parents). And, while I don't feel I really need to verify my opinions, I saw the Dead regularly from 89-95 and Phish(sorry to use that word here) religiously from 93 on.
I am somewhat disappointed to see the criticism of the setlists from Phil's Jazzfest this year. Look at any band, jam or otherwise, and you will realize that they are not going to pull out the absolute meat that hardcore fans desire during Jazzfest, especially at the Fairgrounds shows. Whether it was the Allmans in the 90's(not that they change it up too much anyway but you knew you were going to get a Whipping Post encore) or Phish in 96(fun show but nothing really out of the ordinary) or even a Widespread Panic day Fair Grounds show, the bands know that they are there to please a diverse audience. I even notice it from my favorite local bands. George Porter Jr.doesn't tear it up at the Fest nearly as much as he does on a random Saturday in February at Tipitinas. That's just the way it is. JazzFest is about experiencing New Orleans, eating some crawfish bread or some equally exciting cuisine, and cruising around having a good time. No matter how many hardcore fans of Phil or whatever band you may like travel down to N.O., 95% of the folks at the Fest this year weren't going to get a kick out of a 25 minute Viola Lee or Other One, etc.
Point is, DON'T JUDGE the future of Phil's shows by the setlists here in New Orleans. Had you been here, I guarantee you would have had a blast. And I also guarantee that Phil and Co. will bring "the heat", or the tunes that you desire this summer and in the tours that follow.

That being said, I'll bring out the hardcore music fan in myself and make a few comments. I'll echo the posts that I believe are right above mine and say that Unbroken Chain is unreal. The 5-4 Chain sent me out of my gourd. What a jam! What a song! I was introduced to the Dead by a friend playing Mars Hotel one day and have always been in love with this song. The places that Phil and the boys brought me that night still bring a smile to my face. Unbelievable energy on the floor that night at Municipal. I lost myself dancing during this song only to look up from time to time to smile at my friends or strangers dancing around me. This song is a powerhouse, on an equal with The Eleven, etc(although the 11 was #1 on my wishlist). Great Wheel to open, quality Shakedown, and Mason's kicked more ass than you know.

Criticisms that I agree with: I wish Robert Randolph had come out a little bit earlier. Only seeing him on Good Lovin was a little bit of a downer(although it was a damn good Lovin') and he needed a little more time to mesh with the band. Herring needs to be turned up a little bit more, as much as I love Mr. Haynes I like hearing Jimmy playing a little bit more. I'm also a little bit down on some of the new stuff. Just sounds like late, cheesy, Almanns ballads to me(never been a big Soulshine fan,etc). But I think its great that Phil gets to show his chops on some new material.
As for the Bobby argument on Sunday's Fairgrounds show. I remember the incident that some of the earlier posters commented on where Bobby really cut off Warren and it was a little bit of a downer. I am not a Bobby basher but I will admit that I'd rather not see him with P&F. Doesn't quite work for me. But, as I said before, I guarantee that the majority of the crowd at the fest was thrilled to see Weir and Lesh on a big stage again.

Anyway, sorry for the length, had a bunch to say and I hope at least a few had the time to read this. Enjoy the discussion.

Last thing. Best thing at the Fest by far was the first Sunday night at Tipitinas. Steve Kimock Band is the greatest thing out there today. It's not just Kimock, that whole band is jawdropping. I had to work at 9AM on Monday but couldn't leave Tips until the last notes were played(5AMish). I wish Phil and Steve hadn't had their differences but I urge everyone to check out SKB.

Peace to all.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Georgie1 (Georgie1) (168.191.42.213) on Thursday, May 09, 2002 - 10:55 am: Edit Post

Yeah, I did forget caution and should have been writing things down, but when you're scrambling back to the room to file an "early" report, and evereyone else is at the clubs, it was simply forgotten. To be honest it was a bit incidental. I know it's a legendary tune on Anthem, and the Dead stopped doing it blah blah... but it was very short. The highlights WERE Shakedown, UBC>Mason's. Shakedown, in that position, how great is that. You don't think that song has jam inertia?? The funny thing is, the way it worked out- not mentioning caution until in the later review- everyone jumped on the setlist... BUT, if caution had been properly listed, would that have turned lead into gold for those not there? You see, it didn't matter. Wasn't memorable. Anyway I need to head out to to the tiny t-master over in Yorktown Heights to cop for Irving Plaza- let's hope there's no line- and if I get lucky enough to attend the show and happen to do a review, YOU can be sure it will be right.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Keyshawn Still Sucks (Keyshawnsucks) (64.252.14.83) on Thursday, May 09, 2002 - 11:18 am: Edit Post

Damn Gideon...Bucky and I saw Phil for the 1st time the VERY next night...November 10, 1999 at the New Haven Coliseum.
As for me...I've heard several "Unbroken Chains" on tape (CD), but as of yet, have not seen one live.
They can play that ANY TIME I'm there.
They have found ways to expand...to evolve...on the theme, and that's what I/we are looking for.
Until I see one in person though, I've got to rate it JUST a notch below the "Dark Stars"; "Other Ones"; "Violas" , etc.
BUT...its sure got the POTENTIAL to woim ( :) ) its way into the All-Star Starting Lineup.
:)


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Bucky (Bucky) (130.132.243.32) on Thursday, May 09, 2002 - 01:39 pm: Edit Post

Unbroken Chain:

Boring, slow Song,
GREAT JAM IN THE MIDDLE!

I especially liked the versions in the Fall with the big Warren led jam out of the song.......

Did you expect me to say anything different?

Gotta go run a Brownie meeting.......

EEEK!!!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Christian Anderson (Skinman) (4.17.69.142) on Thursday, May 09, 2002 - 02:18 pm: Edit Post

Hey Bucky......Tell me how many times you have seen Unbroken?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By sjf (Irisguy) (63.215.234.101) on Thursday, May 09, 2002 - 04:11 pm: Edit Post

same as it ever was...same as it ever was...same as it ever was...LOL

some things never seem to change

the new songs are awesome and check out how evenly they spread them over the 4 winds tour (which i still may post reviews for some day)..this band jams more than ever don't worry or fret children..

have faith

lets hear about the jazzfest thingy


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By sjf (Irisguy) (63.215.234.101) on Thursday, May 09, 2002 - 05:08 pm: Edit Post

buck-keysh...maybe the word "children" is a bit strong but i cant tell you how dissappoointing to come back in here and see the same old wind blowing through here...

its really SOS, sorry to say, and as I just started read to these reviews today I can tell you I've simpy been scrolling past your familiar comments, then the usual responses, and then down to wherever someone has started to actually talk again about the subject...the show...

i wonder how many people over time have not bothered to post their intended reviews of the shows when they see you guys go on and on about something you wish would happen at a show you didn't attend but didn't..it really looks extra silly when you haven't been around here for awhile, blieve me..and then we all most likely miss out on possible reviews of the shows that actually did happen...

I'll admit, i'm a bit extra PO'd at you 2 right now..care to know why? I just read the Idaho reviews (minus your comments). Remember the local guy named Matt who saw Phil and Friends for the first time that show? remember him saying he talked to folks from the bay area who clued him into "let jimmy sing"? that was me..

it was special hanging out with him and the locals who rode every note. They are verrry thirsty, not at all spoiled. You would probably look down on their enthusiuasm as somehow uneducated (not true, he knew the music well) or overemotional and ready to accept just about anything. I found them to be refreshing and conscious, considerate. good hearted folk. all smiles. we could all learn a lesson from this crowd and their energy. especially that 7 foot guy who gracefully danced through the crowd..

Anyhow, I hope y'all realize your words affect good folks like Matt in a negative way and they are likely to never return (along with their fresh insights)...The guy was cool, if you asked him a question about the show, shows in Ihaho, etc. instead of hammering him with the same old snide sad critique you may have learned something new...

take it for what its worth, i only say this because i care about y'all, the zone...peace


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By GravyTrain (Gravytrain) (68.6.115.34) on Thursday, May 09, 2002 - 05:29 pm: Edit Post

as the days go by....once in a lifetime

JohnniePoe, welcome. You related to Edgar A...? Anyway, found myself nodding all the way thru your post, except at the end, for the SKB comment. PLQ is the hottest thing out there. Have you seen them at one of the smaller venues? I know they're not playing Tipitina's, but some places are still under 2,000....hey, it's the Zone, no?

Schnee--thanks a bunch for helping to keep this fan site going! A sense of humor will get us all through lots.

George(?) is right about Caution not really being the point. it's not much more than mojo hand...but whatever...the > or jam or interisland travelling is where it's at!!!

I Love Unbroken Chain--all of it. I'm not gonna tell you how many I've seen live cuz that whole "deader than thou" crap is crap.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Keyshawn Still Sucks (Keyshawnsucks) (152.163.205.56) on Thursday, May 09, 2002 - 06:34 pm: Edit Post

SJF:

FOIST things FOIST............................

CONGRATULATIONS to you and your lady and I wish you all the happiness in the world and the best of what marriage can bring!
:) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :)

I just read what you wrote here.
You know us...how we think...maybe Bucky somewhat more than I.
You say you are "disappointed" in the two of us, and have "scrolled past many of our familiar comments".
One I hope you didn't scroll by is my post above, on THIS thread, on Wednesday at 5:33AM.
That, at least tries to illustrate where our logic comes from and why it is that we feel so strongly regarding these particular issues.
We're not trying to hurt or intimidate anyone as everyone views their own experience with the music differently.
The Idaho thread took a nasty, somewhat personal tone, NOT initiated by either Bucky or myself, and that's certainly unfortunate.
As for THIS (Jazzfest) thread...there are many people who actually were there to witness the music who seem to echo our feelings and sentiments.
I know reading THROUGH it all can be somewhat...HELL...very tedious, but much like yourself and others are replying to US, regarding not knowing the full picture without having all of the facts...wouldn't it give you a clearer idea of how these 2 threads developed into SUCH STRONG discussions...debates...arguments...if you DID read fully through our comments?
What you're saying by just passing over what we have said is tantamount to exactly what you're saying we are doing.
See what I mean?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By LessThan (Lessthan) (162.33.155.189) on Thursday, May 09, 2002 - 09:38 pm: Edit Post

http://www.nola.com/jazzfest/gallery.ssf?/nola/images/1323/index.html


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By gideon (Mobetterdead) (216.78.154.135) on Friday, May 10, 2002 - 02:30 am: Edit Post

well key and bucky that show in philly was my first and much like yours in new haven ...i've been hooked ever since... i may be a tad bit more accepting of sub-blow your fuckin mind shows...but thats cause i love every thing from jerry noddin' so hard , that some songs turn peeps off forever (a good thing) to the cheesezest walkin blues...as i've said before you two and many a friend have ,"kept it real" for us ..."the boys can do no wrong" music lovers .......and thank you ....though i think stella blew cause ...she needed the money


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Keyshawn Still Sucks (Keyshawnsucks) (205.188.200.21) on Friday, May 10, 2002 - 07:11 am: Edit Post

LOL..
A wise old man said a long, long time ago...and it's just as true today, as it was then..........
Stella blew...always did...always will!
:)


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Christian Anderson (Skinman) (4.17.69.142) on Friday, May 10, 2002 - 11:05 am: Edit Post

Here is the thing. I have seen a lot of Phil and Dead...enough to know that I will never complain about any show unless someone dropped dead on stage. Then the only reason I would complain would be because the show would be cut short. I bust on the boys on ocassion ...but it is always funny and entertaining for me and my group of friends. New Orleans smoked...there is no doubt about it. If you think otherwise then I guess you were not there. I had a smile on my face from ear to ear all weekend. I couldn't stop grinning! If you were at the show then I know you know.......if you weren't then jealousy rears its ugly head again. Well with that said then I will see you all in the summer. I will be the one smiling my ass off and dancing like a devil right up front by Barraco.

See Ya


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Keyshawn Still Sucks (Keyshawnsucks) (64.252.14.83) on Friday, May 10, 2002 - 11:10 am: Edit Post

Hey...
"one man gathers what another man spills"....right?
My ears "see" it differently, that's all.
As far as being jealous...well...I've never been to New Orleans, and would love to go, its (from EVERY account I've EVER heard) a PARTY CITY!
The food...the sights...must be unbelievable.
However, with 3 kids at home it AIN'T the easiest thing to do.
BUT..as far as being jealous of the shows last weekend...'fraid not.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Steven Hult (Jackstrawww) (65.207.230.195) on Friday, May 10, 2002 - 07:06 pm: Edit Post

wow....I'm speechless.....
except that he's no Randy Moss, of course neither is Wayne Chrebet, or whatever his name is...

oops, did I get the wrong thread?

See ya'll in Vegas....

And here's hopin for a Stella, personally dedicated by Phil to Keysh as part of his donor rap, just to piss 'im off.....


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Dewit (Dewit) (205.188.199.159) on Friday, May 10, 2002 - 10:15 pm: Edit Post

JohnnyPoe, I echo much of your post. The show was a good time, and I will put a review up at some point. Maybe Zen and I can put our two heads together and do a song by song.

I had a blast at Ratdog, but left to the head and the Gospel tent at Standing on the Moon. Unbroken Chain is just a great tune, and I have shared many great ones with LessThan. I love that he made a special trip up to us to share part of that tune with me. Ditto for the No More Do Is.

A huge huge part of our day was for sure dancing with Krispy and the hubby. What a day...DNC and P-Zone united, and it was great. Krispy, you rock!!! We even talked about it today.

A huge Jazzfest highlight will always be the incredible Mule show on Friday night. Kimock may have been great at Tipatina's, but Mule at the State was truly out of this world. Again, got to hang with some really amazing people from the Zone, all good fun, hugs, vibes and dancing.

"...best post-Woody Mule show...". For me, best Mule show I have seen or heard, and for sure one of the best shows I have ever been to.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Keyshawn Still Sucks (Keyshawnsucks) (64.12.105.48) on Friday, May 10, 2002 - 10:33 pm: Edit Post

Steven:

The scenario you paint has actually already happened...albeit without the direct dedication to me.
April 30, 2001 at the Roseland Ballroom in New York.
The encore, after Phil's donor speech was "Stella".
Which, you might be surprised to hear was JUST FINE with myself AND Bucky.
Of course this was AFTER a "59th St. Bridge Jam"..."St. Stephen">"Good Times, Bad Times" Tease (and this was the ORIGINAL, out of left f**king field GTBT from Warren, ..."I don't care what the neighbors' SAAAY">"St. Stephen">"Golden Road" to end the first set..AND "Birdsong"...a full blown "Terrapin", and "Help On The Way">"Slipknot">"The Eleven">"Slipknot">"Franklin's" to end the second.
Ya wanna play "Stella" THEN...I say FINE...who the hell cares WHAT they play after THAT?!
And by the way...it was "Stella">"Box Of Rain".
A nice way to catch our breath and recover from the ONSLAUGHT that was THAT show!
:)


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Krispy (Krispy) (151.197.245.30) on Saturday, May 11, 2002 - 11:43 am: Edit Post

Dewit - No really, I insist, it is you folks that rock! :) It really must've been meant for us to meet. Our friends had set up camp right behind Greater & LessThan. I'm surprised we didn't meet the night before in fact as I had on my HOTW shirt :)

(((SJF)))!!! I haven't poked around in here enough to read up on things (damn, this place is huge!), but from the looks of the above post, congratulations are in order!! Right on!!!!!! Much love and hugs to you! My Scott and I have been married for 13 1/2 years now and it just keeps getting better! I wish you the same! Hope to see you soon!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By LessThan (Lessthan) (162.33.155.189) on Saturday, May 11, 2002 - 02:51 pm: Edit Post

13 1/2 years NO WAY you looked like you were like 23 or something....

We will dance again have no fear...


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By J.W. (Driver) (68.39.1.47) on Saturday, May 11, 2002 - 11:28 pm: Edit Post

whats up zoners- it has been a long time since i have posted...i am no longer a "suit" that sits behind a computer so my internet access is quite limited.

i was reading through just about every post on this thread. it is so great to see that the folks that went to jazzfest had a great time and enjoyed the experience of new orleans, the music, the people, all that good stuff. i was there too, and i enjoyed the entire time immensely.

as for the shows we saw...gov't mule on friday rocked, of course. with warren haynes, how could it not. but the topic here is p&f. the show was wild. they jammed, they were tight, and they had a good time, which was plainly obvious from where i was standing.
as for the folks that did not like the setlist (keyshawn, bucky), that sucks for you. it is real easy to sit there and read a bunch of words on the screen and say, damn, that sucks. glad i didn't waste my time. but you were not there. you did not feel the energy, you did not participate, you did not dance. you sit and criticize....i think phil knows what he is doing up there, regardless of what they play. they have a new album coming out. is it considered "selling out" to play the new tunes that they have spent countless hours working on? most of the songs on the album we heard last summer and fall tours. why no complaints then? or did i just miss those posts? i don't care if you have seen 2 dead shows, none at all, or every one they ever played. THIS IS NOT THE GREATFUL DEAD people. this is a new band with new dinamics. if you don't like what they are doing, then dont go, period. don't get on and bitch about a setlist that you did not even see. that is just ignorant. dark star, st. stephen, TOO, yeah, they are great tunes. but doesn't it make it more special to see them when they are not being played at every show??? IMO, it certainly does.
now i respect opinions, i try and take what i can from them. but seriously, i cant take others seriously when they are talking out their ass.

and whoever said that unbroken is a mediocre song with a good jam has their head so far up their ass that it is not even funny!! i have seen phil do about 15 unbrokens, and i will NEVER get tired of seeing that live.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By J.W. (Driver) (68.39.1.47) on Saturday, May 11, 2002 - 11:44 pm: Edit Post

oh, i have one other thing to add...

i was just re-reading a few things...there was some mention of the mule sucking, of warren not playing up to his potential on sunday, etc...

keep this in mind folks- mule played jazzfest thursday. they played a very high energy show on friday nite. they played another show on saturday. warren had countless appearances with other bands- he also plays with p&f. barracco was doing double duty, mule and p&f. warren was down there for a week or more. now i could be wrong, but maybe, just maybe, warren was a bit SHOT OUT from being the most wanted man in the musical culture we all enjoy.

give the guy a fukin break.

hope to see you all again (at least those that appreciate the music) on summer tour.

and one more thing- skin, jho, rope, it was a blast and i look forward to our next musical experience together.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Bucky (Bucky) (130.132.243.116) on Sunday, May 12, 2002 - 01:01 am: Edit Post

SJF:

Don't you realize that YOU too are just the same as we were when YOU last posted?
Kinda like Robert Young on 'Father Knows Best'.....

Maybe someday when I grow up, I can be just like you.
:)

BTW, Good thing I didn't 'scroll past' you in that parking lot at 1:30AM when you locked your keys in the car on 11-20.

That's where the rubber hits the road, my friend, it's not about what P&F plays.
That's just fun (hopefully).

And BTW, I know the street runs 2 ways.
I realize I drive you crazy, but, you still came here & spent a day cutting down overgrown trees & bushes so we could prepare our yard for the fence we need to build to keep our autistic son confined.
As I said before, you don't know how much it meant to us.
Thanks.
That's also where the rubber hits the road.

Relax. "It's only Rock-N-Roll". Well, music, not life.

And if you want to get on somebody about 'negative vibes', at least I'm not you-know-who posting hateful nastyness under numerous 'handles'.......


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Christian Anderson (Skinman) (4.17.69.142) on Monday, May 13, 2002 - 10:33 am: Edit Post

Right on Driver!!!!!

More tickets for us......and no complaints.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Keyshawn Still Sucks (Keyshawnsucks) (64.252.14.83) on Monday, May 13, 2002 - 11:03 am: Edit Post

LOL
:)


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By mikeV (Vness) (158.252.68.161) on Monday, May 13, 2002 - 11:43 am: Edit Post

JW Driver,
yeah I have to agree I saw Warren on Sat and Sun. and he pours his heart into what he does. By Sunday, he looked abused like it was all catching up to him in a hard kind of way. Like when they showed his face on the screen. His voice by Sun was also shot, like on UJB. but I hail his spirit, I just wish he would take it easy sometimes, this crazy touring schedule of his has to be taking years off his life. In Indy, RedRocks, Aspen and many other places he'll be playing two and three shows a night. Whew


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Christian Anderson (Skinman) (4.17.69.142) on Monday, May 13, 2002 - 01:13 pm: Edit Post

Yo, know what...I don't think it is going to take years off his life. Read last months Relix and you will see. He is not a drinker or a rager by any means and he loves LOVES to play. I think the best thing to do is not catch him on a stretch like that. Somewhere in the middle.....Jerry used to get shot out by the end of a stretch too.....See the First and Only Rueben and Cherise he did with the dead at cap center.....I beleive that was at the end of a three or four show run. It happens to the best of them.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Christian Anderson (Skinman) (4.17.69.142) on Monday, May 13, 2002 - 03:00 pm: Edit Post

Who is posting on different handles? Thats a little gay don't you think?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By gideon (Mobetterdead) (216.78.155.103) on Monday, May 13, 2002 - 03:33 pm: Edit Post

>>>See the First and Only Rueben and Cherise he did with the dead at cap center

oh i guess i was hallucinating at nassau,orlando and buckeye :)


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Keyshawn Still Sucks (Keyshawnsucks) (64.252.14.83) on Monday, May 13, 2002 - 03:55 pm: Edit Post

LOL
:)


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Bucky (Bucky) (130.132.243.116) on Monday, May 13, 2002 - 04:30 pm: Edit Post

>>>>See the First and Only Rueben and Cherise he did

Is that with Corned Beef or Pastrami?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By J.W. (Driver) (151.196.242.228) on Monday, May 13, 2002 - 10:25 pm: Edit Post

harsh..


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Christian Anderson (Skinman) (4.17.69.142) on Tuesday, May 14, 2002 - 07:45 am: Edit Post

Point is....Sorry I didn't have my handy dandy Dead reference guide with me.......Jerry, as you all know used to hack the shit out of certain songs.......I didn't think I was in a contest Bucky , Keyshawn,........Warren is not going to sound good every freakin night. You guys need to relax and enjoy what you have. By the way can I buy your Dead encylopedias from you? They seem to come in handy whenever you guys want to show how smart you are, when did you guys leearn to read? I will pick up my booby prize for my miscalculating...Thanks.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Keyshawn Still Sucks (Keyshawnsucks) (64.252.14.83) on Tuesday, May 14, 2002 - 08:17 am: Edit Post

Hey Christian...
Look back.
Neither Bucky or myself said ANYTHING to you regarding the correction on the number of times "Reuben and Charisse" was played.
Bucky made a, if you can call it that, a JOKE, about the "Reuben" being with Corned Beef or Pastrami...and I merely typed...
LOL
:)
Scroll up and read the posts again.

And one other thing...
Our knowledge does not come DIRECTLY from Deadbase or any Taping Compendium, at least not at the time we are expressing these viewpoints or citing dates, shows, jams, tunes.
This is an ACCUMULATED knowledge, accrued from attending shows, listening to the hundreds upon hundreds of tapes/CDs, and yes, perusing through the various publications, all of this spanning the last quarter century.
It's a knowledge we POSSESS, NOT a knowledge we frantically have to thumb through a book to obtain at the moment.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Christian Anderson (Skinman) (4.17.69.142) on Tuesday, May 14, 2002 - 09:18 am: Edit Post

Wow I am impressed.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Keyshawn Still Sucks (Keyshawnsucks) (64.252.14.83) on Tuesday, May 14, 2002 - 10:24 am: Edit Post

No need to be a wise guy.
I'm just stating things the way they are.
I don't see you retracting the statement which YOU made stating we are making things into a "contest".
Nothing could be further from the truth, as, if you DID go back and look, we said NOTHING about the number of times "Reuben and Charisse" had been played.
That's all.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By gideon (Mobetterdead) (68.60.0.75) on Tuesday, May 14, 2002 - 10:40 am: Edit Post

dude i mentioned the reubans because i was at all four of them and have a good memory...deadbase was never even consulted on that one...all it was , was good natured ribbing :)


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Keyshawn Still Sucks (Keyshawnsucks) (64.252.14.83) on Tuesday, May 14, 2002 - 11:38 am: Edit Post

Gideon:

Thanks for clarifying that!
:)


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Christian Anderson (Skinman) (4.17.69.142) on Tuesday, May 14, 2002 - 11:53 am: Edit Post

Like I said I am impressed. Wow! I really feel like I am in the presence of greatness....


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Keyshawn Still Sucks (Keyshawnsucks) (64.252.14.83) on Tuesday, May 14, 2002 - 12:06 pm: Edit Post

As well you should be.
:) :)


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Christian Anderson (Skinman) (4.17.69.142) on Tuesday, May 14, 2002 - 12:13 pm: Edit Post

Like I said....I am always impressed by people that continue to keep up with the diatribe when I stopped caring a while ago. Get back to work Key....The Jets still suck. That is one thing that will remain a constant in your life.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By dyer o'connor (Dyerwolf) (205.188.193.33) on Tuesday, May 14, 2002 - 01:26 pm: Edit Post

Christian,
Gotta come out of lurk mode for this...
I've been watching the volleys going back and forth across the net and I tell ya Christian has made some mighty fine points all over the thread.
Never in my life have I heard anyone criticize a show based solely on a setlist. Not even having heard any boards or even auds. Sometimes I'm not wildly keen on a show that I'm listening to, but I know had I been there it would have had a whole different dynamic.
Not only was criticism of the unheard show rampant but there was derision flying towards anyone who might have derived a teensy bit of pleasure from said show. Smacked of major Deader (Philler) than thou shit!

As far as the new songs, I've really enjoyed "No More do I" and, of course, "Night of a Thousand Stars". Love "Welcome to the Underground". Warren, you can play that anytime. The Vail one was a crusher.
"line up a long shot..."
dyerwolf


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Keyshawn Still Sucks (Keyshawnsucks) (64.252.14.83) on Tuesday, May 14, 2002 - 03:03 pm: Edit Post

You guys are TOO FUNNY!
Keep thinkin' you're gettin' gold when its really tin.
Think what you want...like what you want.
If you ACTUALLY READ all of the above, you would have seen that MANY people who WERE actually in attendance bear us out.
But...thats' alright...you guys just be grateful he/they are "still up there doin' it"
As for me...I don't settle for less than the BEST.
I've been there to see what this band is CAPABLE of. (i.e. 10/16/00...4/30/01...7/21/01, just to name 3).
Not to mention numerous others which Bucky and I DID list under the 4/1/02 Show Review thread.
There's PLENTY to LOVE about this band and this amazing ensemble of musicians.
BUT...god forbid we don't worship EVERY NUGGET, it's like we're axe murderers.
Like I said...you guys are TOO FUNNY.
And Christian?
Ohhhh..the remark about the Jets REALLY HOIT!
AH HAHAHAHA!!
TOO FUNNY.
:)


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Christian Anderson (Skinman) (4.17.69.142) on Tuesday, May 14, 2002 - 03:08 pm: Edit Post

Yo thanks alot Dyer!
Its nice to know that people out there on the zone actually appreciate what they are seeing hearing or otherwise. If I don't make it to a show and I see the setlist.....I don't rag on it. My first inclination is to ask how was it. The problem with guys like Bucky and Key ( not that I rag on their said knowledge) is that they make it hard for anyone to enjoy the show that they saw. My suggestion is that when you do not go to a certain show....do not POST. If all you are going to do is rag on that particular show. And fellas I do not really give a shit whether they played a certain song 50 freakin times.....reffering to "I must have been hallucinating when I saw it in Orlando...etc. etc. etc......You must be the same freakin idiots I saw at RFK when I caught my first Dark Star....." It wasn't as good as Hampton"...Well I didn't get the chance to see the Warlocks show....enuff said. Thanks to evryone who has something positive to say...I hope I see you down the GOLDEN ROAD TO UNLIMITED DEVOTION!!!!!!!!!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Christian Anderson (Skinman) (4.17.69.142) on Tuesday, May 14, 2002 - 03:24 pm: Edit Post

Yo I keep getting GOLD DUDE!!!!! What are you Ponyboy Curtis with your poetic verse? Soon you are going to tell me that you think No More Do I is a slow boring song with a nice jam......well I saw the first one in Bethlehem and again in NYC and then to open on sat at Jazzfest. The song rocks....as for Tin...well I guess DAR, Holmdel, Hershey,Merriweather,NYC, and Jazz Fest was a waste of money....shit you know what? I think I am going to stop hitting shows and go to church and find God like Bucky....Maybe there is something I am not doin right. Awwwwwwwwww shit I forgot to mention 2000...Tower theater shows and a bunch of others....Man what was I thinking spending all that money?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Keyshawn Still Sucks (Keyshawnsucks) (64.252.14.83) on Tuesday, May 14, 2002 - 03:25 pm: Edit Post

ONCE MORE:
It was NOT Bucky NOR I who corrected the number of times "Reuben and Charisse" had been played.
And let me understand YOU'RE thinking here, Christian.
We shouldn't express our feelings other than to heap praise?
We keep telling you ( a collective "you")...LOOK at the 4/1/02 Show Review thread. The last several posts made we list NUMEROUS shows which we BOTH were at...ONE of us were at...or NEITHER of us were. We listed AT LEAST 15-20 Phil shows. Check THOSE dates...see our comments regarding THEM.
ORRRRRR...do YOU just want to be negative because you don't like and/or agree with what we say?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Keyshawn Still Sucks (Keyshawnsucks) (64.252.14.83) on Tuesday, May 14, 2002 - 03:26 pm: Edit Post

Keep goin' Christian...I keep laughing harder each time.
What happened to "stopped caring a while ago"?
:)


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Christian Anderson (Skinman) (4.17.69.142) on Tuesday, May 14, 2002 - 03:36 pm: Edit Post

No I really don't care about the R and C thing....I just think you guys gotta let go, breathe and just enjoy yourselves. I think your posts are very negative..It seems to me like you feel you have to get on and bash everyones good time. I have seen enough posts to verify that.And no that doesn't include just mine. I am glad that you can laugh...its a start.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Christian Anderson (Skinman) (4.17.69.142) on Tuesday, May 14, 2002 - 03:39 pm: Edit Post

By the way its a good way to occupy my time. I get a kick out of it....I really do not care. I just like messin with your head.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Keyshawn Still Sucks (Keyshawnsucks) (64.252.14.83) on Tuesday, May 14, 2002 - 03:42 pm: Edit Post

My feelings exactly.
It IS a good way to kill the workday!
:)


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Chris Harris (Chatl) (206.97.16.130) on Tuesday, May 14, 2002 - 03:54 pm: Edit Post

keysh and bucky,
i dont think there are that many people that disagree w/ your attitudes and opinions on appreciating the MOST the songs w/ the greatest jam potential (i.e. cryptical-other-one; dark star; ect) and shows that are greater than the sum of their parts. I think there is a consensus, though, that when people click on Phil and Friends Reviews threads, they would rather read a post that contains a review from somebody who was there preferably, or has heard the show at the very least, instead of something like, 'judging from the setlist, this show looks like a stinker', and I am glad I was not there'....you guys are of course entitled to your opinions, and i find myself agreeing many times w/ the substance of your argument, but, id rather read about reviews, where it says reviews, and not have to refer to countless above and former posts to find you guys heaping praise on shows. that kind of stuff should be contained in another thread.
take care!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Keyshawn Still Sucks (Keyshawnsucks) (64.252.14.83) on Tuesday, May 14, 2002 - 03:57 pm: Edit Post

That's a fair statement, made intelligently and concisely.
Point for you, Chris.
:)


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Chris Harris (Chatl) (206.97.16.130) on Tuesday, May 14, 2002 - 04:20 pm: Edit Post

keysh and bucky,
i dont think there are that many people that disagree w/ your attitudes and opinions on appreciating the MOST the songs w/ the greatest jam potential (i.e. cryptical-other-one; dark star; ect) and shows that are greater than the sum of their parts. I think there is a consensus, though, that when people click on Phil and Friends Reviews threads, they would rather read a post that contains a review from somebody who was there preferably, or has heard the show at the very least, instead of something like, 'judging from the setlist, this show looks like a stinker', and I am glad I was not there'....you guys are of course entitled to your opinions, and i find myself agreeing many times w/ the substance of your argument, but, id rather read about reviews, where it says reviews, and not have to refer to countless above and former posts to find you guys heaping praise on shows. that kind of stuff should be contained in another thread.
take care!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Chris Harris (Chatl) (206.97.16.130) on Tuesday, May 14, 2002 - 04:22 pm: Edit Post

whoa, sorry for repost, have a grate day!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Keyshawn Still Sucks (Keyshawnsucks) (64.252.14.83) on Tuesday, May 14, 2002 - 04:24 pm: Edit Post

LOL...I was like..........
WHAT?!
Isn't that the same.......?
:)
I wonder how that could happen 26 minutes apart.
Doesn't the act of "posting" essentially wipe clean the white "Add a Message" screen?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Chris Harris (Chatl) (206.97.16.130) on Tuesday, May 14, 2002 - 04:27 pm: Edit Post

i guess i lose the point i won :-)


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Keyshawn Still Sucks (Keyshawnsucks) (64.252.14.83) on Tuesday, May 14, 2002 - 04:28 pm: Edit Post

Nahhhhh...keep it.
With Bucky and I, you're SURE to need it!
:)


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By ^^ (Mongbat) (65.59.96.69) on Tuesday, May 14, 2002 - 08:29 pm: Edit Post

Q: What about "Dark Star"?

Garcia: "Dark Star" we could bring back, but Ió"Dark Star" is so little, you know? I mean, "Dark Star" is only like three or four lines.

Really, "Dark Star" is a little of everything we do, all the time. So what happened to "Dark Star" was, it went into everything. Everything's got a little "Dark Star" in it.

I've never missed it, because what we were doing with it is everywhere. I mean, our whole second half is Dark Star, you could say. But I have nothing against "Dark Star," except that like I say, really it's a minimal tune. There's really no tune. There's just a couple of lines and that's it.

So it's hard for me to relate to what is it about "Dark Star" that people like, apart from the part that we get weird in it. Because that's what we did with it, we got weird in it, we didn't dwell on the lyrical content, certainly.

Q: Sometimes you'd throw 49 songs in the middle of it and come back to it.

Garcia: That's right. So "Dark Star" is an envelope for me, not really a song.

But we may bring it back sometime. In fact, I won't say that we won't bring back "St. Stephen," or "Cosmic Charlie" for that matter.

But it's much more interesting to me now to think in terms of well, let's write new songs. I mean, if I have a choice between resurrecting old tunes and writing new songs, it's going to be new songs. Because it's likeóit's essential that we stay interested. And there's only so much you can rub up against your own past, and keep loving it. It's fragile; finally it breaks down. Ultimately you can use it up.

So, I mean, ultimately it'd be great if we could come up with a whole lot of new tunes. That would be the best thing in the world that we can do. Every time we do come up with a few new tunes it enlivens everything else. So that's what I'm looking forward to, and that's the next priority in terms of what it is that I'm doing in the Grateful Dead.

---------------------------------------------

Possibly this is the same way Phil feels about the direction of his band and writing new songs.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Evan (Esegal) (68.32.12.20) on Tuesday, May 14, 2002 - 10:06 pm: Edit Post

Thank You!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By J.W. (Driver) (151.196.239.200) on Tuesday, May 14, 2002 - 10:24 pm: Edit Post

it seems to me, keysh, that you listen to alot of dicks picks. becuase i would hasten to say that TOO, darkstar, st. stephen, the eleven, are on every dicks picks. that is clearly an exageration, but nonetheless, you get my message. are those the only songs that make up a good setlist? i think not. and i reiterate my earlier point-- if you were not at the show, then i really don't think you can give a fair assessment of what happened, regardless of what the setlist was. yeah, there were some people that were there that thought the show could have beeen better. but look at the scene, it was not an obscure venue, it was not an unknown show that was going on. of course it was new orleans and jazzfest, and they have an album coming out 2 weeks after these shows. it is not going to be an old school show with all of the dicks picks favorites.
and again, if you don't like it, or you think there are only a few good shows that phil has played, then you have a very closed mind. that is not directed toward anyone in particular, but you have to keep things in perspective.

and skinman is my boy, and he has some solid contributions to the board.
one thing we need to keep in mind, which has also been stated previously- is that this is a review board. review the show, don't knock others that were there and said it was good and you werent there and say it sucked.

I WAS THERE AND IT ROCKED.

beat sittin at home, that is for sure.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Christian Anderson (Skinman) (151.196.239.200) on Tuesday, May 14, 2002 - 10:33 pm: Edit Post

look keys......I think that we got off on the wrong foot ....I have seen a lot of shit. I will deny all dickheadness..........but thats just who I am. When I see somebody writing what I THINK ARE BAD POSTS..... i will make sure I retort..thats it and thats that...nothing more nothing less....Now after all this I wish you were there. Its like when Darth Vader saved Luke. Or vise versa. You get my Drift!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By J.W. (Driver) (151.196.239.200) on Tuesday, May 14, 2002 - 11:01 pm: Edit Post

oh, and another thing- there were dark star teases on both days at jazzfest, and a nice tears of a clown tease on sat. nite.

that is always nice.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Keyshawn Still Sucks (Keyshawnsucks) (64.252.14.83) on Wednesday, May 15, 2002 - 01:42 pm: Edit Post

Bucky and I were listening to "Dick's Picks" long before there was such a thing.
We had/have had virtually all of these shows for years and years.
When you get right down to it, the reason, I believe, we are so steadfast in our thinking, is that P&F played WHAT...and...the WAY...we had always hoped The Dead would play when we were going on a regular basis, which was '79 through '84. We went back in '87...then not again 'til '91 through '93.
When we were going heavily (the '79 through '84 period) there were no full blown "That's It For The Other One"'s...no "Dark Stars'", save for 12/31/81 and 7/13/84.
"St. Stephen" just 3 times, all in the same month...10/11/83..10/15/83..and 10/31/83. I caught one, Bucky two.
No "Viola's"...no "Elevens", let alone "The Eleven" in the middle of a "Help">"Slipknot">"Franklin's"!
"Morning Dew" in "our heyday" was played MAYBE 3-5 times a YEAR.
VERY few "Dancin's" were played.
We DID get to see MANY, MANY incredible shows, for instance...
09/06/80
05/06/81
07/10/81
09/26/81
12/05/81
04/23/83 a 19 minute "Other One"...a veritable MARATHON for its time.
10/11/83 the "St. Stephen" return at The Garden
10/15/83 the 2nd "St. Stephen"
09/10/91 the 2nd "Dark Star" with Branford
09/14/91
Ahhhhh...I could go on and on. These are just some of the GREAT ones that we saw.
But, for the most part when we were going, in my/our opinion, The Dead never really played, on a night by night, tour by tour basis with the PASSIONATE CONSISTENCY with which P&F have displayed so prominently...coupled with the tunes...and JAMS...the likes of which we never, or rarely saw, and ALWAYS wished we WOULD'VE, seen The Dead play.
Those two factors combined is why we are so steadfast and vehement in our thinking.
Exploring "new" territory is all well and good, but by the very virtue OF being new, this means these tunes have not developed their "sea legs" yet, which, to us, detracts from the general "jamability" within, and consequently, since they are "feeling" their way through these songs, the jams into and out of the "new" material is not quite as instinctive as it might be, and therefore, by the new tunes we HAVE heard in shows that we've attended, those jams are somewhat truncated.
We are not condemning ANYBODY for wanting to see P&F expand their musical horizons.
It's just that until these songs develop, WE would rather not hear more than 1 or 2 a show, as it detracts from OUR perception of the musical experience WE are looking for.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By J.W. (Driver) (67.201.218.167) on Friday, May 17, 2002 - 02:03 am: Edit Post

i must say you make a few good points. but i am drunk right now and only have time for a brief relply. you mention "feeling" thier way through these songs-- isn't that the best time to see a band? to see them do a new tune a few times and see how they make it develop, with time, practice? that is one of the most exciting factors at a show- wow, they have only done this a couple of times, i wonder what they are going to do with it this time??
that seems like a great fan, that appreciates what they are doing, all around. of course, there ar ebetter versions, better shows than others, but dont take away from a band becuase they play new material. i thought that was this was a key issue- they play, we listen.
i don't critixcize eanyone- i appreciate the laugh i can get here. but let us give respect where respect is due.

and keysh, you have a much better basis of comparsion, at least from what i have seen/read. but this is not the dead.
this is phil and friends.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By gideon (Mobetterdead) (66.21.229.47) on Friday, May 17, 2002 - 07:32 am: Edit Post

>>>feeling" thier way through these songs-- isn't that the best time to see a band?

i think so and of course certin songs are better suited for this than others as far as jamability

however of the 17 i fought the laws that i saw in a 58 show span 3/14/93-8/27/93...only one sounded diffrent....4/5/93 spring tour closer on da island, drank a bunch of fire water (110 proof cinnamon schnapps) ,pass out during set break,come to during i fought the law...i'm like to my phriends "you fuckers let me miss the whole second set"
they're like "no dude , this is the opener" :)

sometimes the songs that we hear are just songs of our own

i also think anything more than 3 songs a show from the new album would be a bit to much...when you think of all the chapters in the phriends repertoire that they have to tell a story with


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Keyshawn Still Sucks (Keyshawnsucks) (64.252.14.83) on Friday, May 17, 2002 - 09:46 am: Edit Post

Driver:

You also make some valid points.
HOWEVER...where I'm comin' from...I go to ONE...MAYBE two shows on a given tour.
The familial responsibilities that 3 kids (14, 11, 5 1/2) bring, along with my career responsibilities, severely hampers the time allocated for touring.
Like, NONE!
LOL
So...while I agree to some extent that it is pretty cool to see how songs, as well as instrumental jamming, develops, the fact is, with the limited time I've got...when I go...I basically want them to play the WHAT...and...the HOW...that I've enumerated above.
That STILL leaves plenty of options as to what to play...all I'm saying is that to go to one or two shows...and see them concentrate their efforts on the "new" DOES detract from the musical experience that I'M looking for.
I realize that this is a different band than The Dead, and maybe it WILL evolve into the majority of the music being created for THIS band.
But, at this point I'd rather when I'M there, they keep the "experimentation" on the newer stuff to a minimum.
That's not to say they shouldn't play new things when I'm there.
Play them.
I would just prefer that not to be the FOCUS.
But, when you have a new CD coming out, and the record company wants to sell the product, they ARE under a certain pressure to make THAT the focus.
At this late date would Phil be playing this "Bonnaroo", ESPECIALLY most likely, it seems, WITHOUT Warren due to HIS prior commitments?
I'm fairly sure that this is at the behest of the record company, and you can also be fairly sure that what he/they will play there will be a VERY healthy portion of the "There and Back Again" CD.
I realize what I'm saying may sound at the very least "selfish" and more, "closed minded", but the simple truth is, that with the one or two shows I DO get to, I'd like them to give ME what I want.
I don't think thats' so bad...after all, what I'M looking for is the GREATEST of the GREAT!
:)


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By J.W. (Driver) (68.32.120.41) on Friday, May 17, 2002 - 11:50 am: Edit Post

no, that is not bad. i want to see certain things too, trust me. i am always in the mood for several things they don't always play alot...but since you do only go to a couple of shows a year, then you risk seeing a show that might not have had as strong a setlist as, say, the nite before. those are the risks you take i guess.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Keyshawn Still Sucks (Keyshawnsucks) (64.252.14.83) on Friday, May 17, 2002 - 02:21 pm: Edit Post

Yup...it is a risk, but one I MUST take.
When this band is ON...whew!
:)
But, by the same token, I'm sure you can see why I'm rootin' FOR some stuff...and maybe AGAINST some other stuff.
For you guys who are hitting multiple shows, you'll get your "No More Do I"'s, your "Again & Again"'s..........when I'm there gimme a "Viola", a "That's It For The Other One"...a "St. Stephen"..."The Eleven", maybe even in the middle of "Help">"Slipknot">"Franklin's"...a full "Terrapin"...a "Dark Star"...a lonnnnnnnng "Birdsong"...a JAMMIN' "Dancin"...a dual double timed "Dear Mr. Fantasy"...along with the usual arrays of "China Cat"'s..."Riders"..."Scarlet"'s..."Bertha"'s..."Cold Rain"'s..."Golden Road"'s..."New Speedway Boogie"'s..."Casey Jones"'s..."Sunshine of Your Love"'s..."Tomorrow Never Knows", and the like!
:) :)
:) :)


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By J.W. (Driver) (68.32.120.41) on Friday, May 17, 2002 - 03:06 pm: Edit Post

all good things, i enjoy it all man, i enjoy it all.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By sjf (Irisguy) (65.59.79.20) on Tuesday, May 28, 2002 - 01:19 am: Edit Post

i like this visual of a stealy flag with a crawfish in the center!

hi people...sorry for the lack of follow up...my internet situation (still no cable modem)..has been in slippery limbo...

Krispy...cool to see you here...and at da Plaza...and thanks for the kind word..

keysh, buck..what can i say? maybe its like waves on a rock...perhaps i'll wear you down over time to see my real point..(thanks, keysh, btw)

we both agree its mostly the jams are what we are hungry for...

well, ever think of where they come from? The Jams... where do they originate and/or flourish? Listening! thats it...listening to others..leaving others the space to chime in equally and then playing off their ideas..not sticking to one same idea, being open and listening to new input...thats what Branford said about the band "they have big ears"..

yeah, yeah, the band had plenty of rehearsed themes, jams (mind left body)and the like but i think we can agree its the surprising exciting adventurous unpredictable "whoa" moments that really moved us with their raw primal unconscious intensity or loving fragile subtle delicate soothing quiet...

there was a sign above the doorway to enter the Avalon Ballroom that said it all.."may the Good Lord shut your mouth and open your eyes"....

anwyays, personally, i always took that as a life lesson of some significance and importance...

people like Matt (i was right, i emnailed him and he is indeed the very cool local guy i met at the show)..have alot to say...if you listen before charging in with your usual likes and dislikes list...and let the show reviews take a natural course...maybe ask a question about the show...

...and believe me, i know EXACTLY what you and Buck want and like, you've "made that one thing perfectly clear"..i don't neeed to scroll back to a particular point you made, i know you 2 want long, involved or ferocious jam moments or a combination of the 2 that PLQ has blown us away with on a consistent basis...we LOVE them for this...and we want more...there's a huge amount of love and respect in this music...

..read the setlists and relax, its gonna be 2, maybe 3 new tunes a show, far from being the focus...we can let go of those scary Brother Essau played every show past memories, ok?

this band is still jamming better than ever...

and give a whirl to listening to cool locals like matt tell their tale for a change, for yer own sakes...they have a fresh perspective...just listen...shhh, listen...to...what...the...flower...people...say

ok, forget the flower people, i just want to hear about the show...

i have a great idea, keysh and bucky...its based on a previous post...every tour you could create discussion somewhere, maybe in "other" and follow the tour, show by show and critique what should have been played, especially in light of all the great shows you guys attended..(couldn't resist..hehe)...it would be like a post-game wrap up sports show...like maddog and whats-his-name..i bet it would be a hit!

viva la Bird Song!!