I'm heading here for my 1st time at this venue. Any advise? What's the venue, parking, security, hotel/camping scene locally like? Thanks!

great camping here! www.ekoostik.com no hassles no bad attitudes camping,at our very own frontier ranch home of Hookahville.This is the safest most hassle free place to camp!!! hope this helps some of you. info at the botttom of the page.

Lookin' forward to this show...Gotta 3 1/2 hour drive...Last time I was there was when the Other Ones played...7/12/98

Damn good show that was

Thanks for the info on the camping Roger. I was planning on making the 5 hour drive back to Flint, but camping sounds much better. I'll be there.

Anyone planning on getting a hotel I would suggest getting some reservations. Last time I saw a show at Polaris I tried without reservations and I went almost to the Michigan border before finding a hotel with a vacancy.

just found some good camping less than 20 min. away at a beautiful park.
http://www.dnr.state.oh.us/parks/parks/alum.htm

en route from creek and to darien

boogie down yall!!!

what time will the parking lot be open?

i would bet they opened up frontier ranch camping to keep the early traffic down at the venue, at least that might be part of the reason.

for plq in 01 there was a mile long line of cars waiting to get into the lot by about 3 o'clock. we shut off the engines and broke into the coolers right there in the middle of the highway. i'm sure they don't want that situation again!

the lot is listed to open at 3:00 as are the gates. That seems late to me being that the show is scheduled to start at 5:00. My guess is lots will really open at noon-ish.

i got the info here. doesnt say much
http://www.germainconcerts.com/2003/event.asp?eventID=62156

peace
-B

Has anyone gotten their tix from deadtix for this show or any others on this leg?

No still waiting for Florida tickets. Saw on a post awhile back that Sunrise and Tampa are to go out today. I e mailed Dead Ticketing a few hours ago.

Not too much longer folks...

Lookin' forward to it...

Hoping for an electric EL PASO like they did in the old days, maybe a CANDYMAN, DEAL, but most of all a JACK STRAW opener OR closer...That would be friggin' sweet my friends

>>JACK STRAW<<

yes, indeed!
or ... black-throated wind, weather report, unbroken chain, high time, rueben and cherise, peggy-o, etc...

Not to be picky, but anything else!

Totally forgot about Weather Report, Choo Choo...Thaqt would be great as well

calling a mighty quinn with dylan, maybe as the encore? dont quote me on the encore part, if they played tmq during the first set, it would be off the hook. also calling a box of rain for this show.

Not much longer folks...Feel like it's gonna be a damn good show...Gotta 3 1/2 drive from NE Ohio so I'm leaving plenty early...

Anyways, everyone have a safe journey to and from

BTW, are cameras(your normal kodak kind) being allowed in the venue? Wanted to take some pics...

if cameras are allowed, dont use it during dylan. hes a dick about such things.

<if cameras are allowed, dont use it during dylan. hes a dick about such things


Yeah I forgot about that...Anyway, see y'all there!

Forget about hearing Terrapin, 11, or Unbroken Chain

No HCS yet though....

See everyone tonight!

After reading reviews here all Summer, here are a few observations. Am I off, or does anybody else see these?
- There are too many band members. Or, eliminate a keyboardist (I'm too big a P&F fan not to keep Baracco) and add another lead guitarist. Sounds like people think Jimmy is really good, but the solos need to get to another level at times.
- I would also say lose a drummer, but that would be sacriligious, right? i always thought the Dead sounded best with only Billy.
- It seems the first leg of the tour up until Redrocks, the setlists were all over, no themes or continuity or good transitions. It seems that with the exception of Joliet, the transitions and setlists since Florida, are a lot better. Did the band just need to play together enough to start to really gel?
- A lot of folks are saying it sounds like Ratdog with Phil, but we've got Phil, Rob, and Jimmy from P&F, so isn't it more like P&F with Bob? And speaking of, didn't it seem that Jerry kept Bob in check somewhat and now with too much free reign he turns off a lot of people? just a thought, not neccessarily the way I feel. Some songs are "his" (Playin', WRS, any cowboy song), but there must be balance.
- Joan. It seems everyone was a little nervous at first, but now she seems like the best thing to happen to a Deadhead's libido since.....
I can't wait to hear her on Reuben& Cherise, Sugaree, or Morning Dew from last night. Generally the opinions here are right on, and it seems that she has surpassed everyone's expectations. Here's to an awesome show tonight, and hopefully next time they will come a little closer to where I live so I don't have to live vicariously throught these reviews !!

The Dead - Columbus, OH 8/6/03

Set 1:
Jam>
Uncle John's Band>
Hell In A Bucket
Only The Strange Remain
#Big Boss Man
#Subterranean Homesick Blues
#You Win Again
Dancin' In The Streets>
Cumberland Blues
Loose Lucy

# w/Dylan

You Win Again...that's pretty sweet. I was thinking that it would be cool if they played that this tour...but i never really thought they would.

Who sang it?

The Dead - Columbus, OH 8/6/03

Set 1:
Jam>
Uncle John's Band>
Hell In A Bucket
Only The Strange Remain
#Big Boss Man
#Subterranean Homesick Blues
#You Win Again
Dancin' In The Streets>
Cumberland Blues
Loose Lucy

# w/Dylan

Robert Hunter

Set:
Standing On The Moon
Stagger Lee
<<unknown>>
Deal
Stella Blue
Ripple
Boy In The Barroom

The Dead - Columbus, OH 8/6/03

Set 1:
Jam>
Uncle John's Band>
Hell In A Bucket
Only The Strange Remain
#Big Boss Man
#Subterranean Homesick Blues
#You Win Again (Dylan vocal)
Dancin' In The Streets>
Cumberland Blues
Loose Lucy

# w/Dylan

Robert Hunter

Set:
Standing On The Moon
Stagger Lee
<<unknown>>
Deal
Stella Blue
Ripple
Boy In The Barroom


Set 2:
@Jam>
@A Little Piece For You>@Jam>
@Me & Bobby McGee>Jam>
Night Of A Thousand Stars
Even So>
Golden Road>
Drumz(Mickey jammin on Beam)/Space>
Jam(Joan vocalization)>
China Doll>Jam>
Uncle John's Band Reprise>
Box Of Rain
Donor Rap
E:Liberty

@ Bob acoustic

thanks to Fritz

During the setbreak is it quiet and focused on Hunter? or is he just playing to people in line for beer and bathrooms?

That's if he's playing between sets this time around.. maybe he's not.

How's he sounding too? I've always liked him a lot as a performer

i think its great that the boys and joanie are giving us this space and time. I finally found some mp3s with dylan. round and round. I've always loved the good time, put the roof clean off, rollick of this tune.
At this point in his life, it must be a trip for dylan to be in front of such a great crowd. The universal vibe i'm getting in lots o' the dylan chats is that you go to a show as an observer and that bob gets some kind of reverence.
If i/we know our experience, he's probably more than ever feeling like he's playing in the band. At least since he was playing with "the band".
sounds like he doesn't quite have the piano chops i hoped he did, but for some first set fun, i'm really glad it's happening like it is.

i think warren's the only one who pull's enough weight to put booby in check. but if he's in the band, things really change. I have to believe he and joan could really harmonize like wow.

Warren is not the solution for this band. He does not fit. He is a great player but he is not as open to the audience as one needs to be in this band. Time and Rob singing more and Bob singing less is the answer. Give them the time they need to find the solution.

Second set looks a little lacking on paper but the first set looks decent. How was Subterranean Homesick Blues? Seems like that would be a tough one to pull off. I've seen Dylan do it with his band and they had a hard time with it.

what happened in the lot? I heard mace was dispersed into the crowd...

Subturranean Homesick Blues was the absolute highlight of the show, IMO. Whoever said the second set looked lacking...well, it sounded lacking as well. Aside from the first set Cumberland, the absolutely scorching Subturranean Homesick Blues, and the always fun Golden Road, nothing really set me on fire at all. It was nice and all, just not full of that elusive "X" factor energy I'm always looking for.

Lots of jams that kind of went places, just not very interesting places.

Before the show, a rather ominous looking cloud started making its way toward the amphitheatre, complete with the occasional bolt of lightning.

About 5 minutes before the band came out, a nice rainbow appeared, and the cloud started dissapating. No rain, beautiful sunset.

It was nice of Jerry to stop by and say HI like that.

As far as the lot after the show, I couldn't tell ya. I was out of there pretty quick after the show. I tend not to hang around at that place at all.

Warren putting Weir in check? LOLOLOL!
How? By playing arena rock blues riffs from the 70's? By singing like the guy in Molly Hatchet?
By covering Little Feat and Bee Gee songs?
Weir's an original. Even Garcia had a hard time figuring him out.

>Weir's an original.

Word!

overheard at the fremont art and wine fest KSJO booth:

[q] Who's Molly HAtchet?

[a] Aren't they death metal?

This buisiness about Phil and friends with Bob sitting in or Ratdog with phil and what not has got to stop. That is so rediculous. I have seen both and this new Dead is not anything like the either of those bands. Remember that bobby sang half or more of the songs even when Jerry was around, why should that change now. It is normal for bob to sing his tunes and cover some Jerry tunes. Bobby was always a singer in the band. Phil sang two songs, Tom Thumbs and Box of rain. And for years he never sang. Its nice to hear Phil sng some songs but having Joan and Bobby sing alot is perfectly normal and could be expected. I'd rather hear Bobby sing the Deads music than Rob or Warren Haynes. Bobby was there from the start folks. Come on! 1965 Haight Ashbury till now. He has earned the right to sing those tunes and if Phil wants to sing too, then go for it. Its up to them. But there is probably a reason why phil never sang all the time with the Dead. Hmmmm What could that be?

Bottom line, This is the surviving core members of the Grateful Dead doing their thing--lets let them do it their way. Joan is awsopme too. Didn't like her at first, but I think she adds a real spark and has a beautiful voice. Later

Seanmm, how about this one....if they let Joan sing too much, they'll sound like Bonnie Raitt.

Seriously, they are trying to find their groove. Bobby singing all songs is not right. That's the heart of the comment about Ratdog...if they let him sing every song. If they let Joan sing every song, then they sound like Bonnie Riatt. If they let Phil sing every song, then..... They'll come up with the right mix.

The point that doesn't seem to be disputed is that Mickey needs to lose his mike.

>>>Weir's an original. Even Garcia had a hard time figuring him out.<<<<

Olo,
I think Weir is kindof of a wierd fellow to, but that is cool We love him for it, and what he does do, he does it well He doesn't need somone to keep himm check. Warren is kindof a wierdo to

back from the show...

missed dylan b/c i sat in traffic for almost an hour, met up with fritz, daydream, kook and their show mates (nice to meet you all).

i thought the show overall was really played well but imho it lacked in that something was missing (mostly the 2nd set). all the jams were executed pretty well for the most part.

loved the songs that dylan did with the band. his voice did sound a bit horse but it was still great to see him. big boss man was good. couldn't believe they played subterranean homesick blues, one of all time favorite dylan tunes. awesome. you win again....damn where did that come from? again, awesome.

the end of the first set was pretty smokin in my opinion. a nice dancin with a defenite 77'ish rhythm to it. cumberland was probably the highlight for me with the exception of box of rain.

second set just seemed weird to me. it was played really well but i guess i just was bummed a bit about the song selection. i kept on thinking...new phil song, bobby mcgee, 1000 stars, ratdog tune, pretty mellow drums. i defenitly like all those songs and like i said they were played well but i guess it just wasn't the combo that i was really hoping for. figured for sure that they would have something big for post space. china doll was really good, defenitly one of the highpoints of the second set. ujb reprise...i'm thinking "cool, but ok whats next." then box of rain which like i said was my highlight of the evening. love seeing phil sing this song, i'll take it every time, especially a great version like last nights.

liberty encore. nicely played, not what i really wanted to hear.

good show, great time, back at work, feel like shit.

see ya in darien.

>>Seriously, they are trying to find their groove. Bobby singing all songs is not right. That's the heart of the comment about Ratdog...if they let him sing every song. If they let Joan sing every song, then they sound like Bonnie Riatt. If they let Phil sing every song, then..... They'll come up with the right mix.



if Bobby sings His songs, then have Phil, Joan, Rob and (cough)Mickey sing the Jerry songs..... that would be the right mix....

oh and Make Jimmy Sing.. but we will save that for PLQ

i'll tell you what happened in the lot.i couldn't
find a cheap ticket so i decided to hang in the lot. under cover cops were busting people all
day.tackle people for smoking a joint.then later on at the end of shakedown closest to the venue
cops tackled a guy. everybody crowded around and
were yelling at the cops who were being very brutal to this man. 1 dude 4 cops. after people
around started getting crazy the cop pulled out
his gun and waving it around people backed up but
people were still yelling and started to throw
beer bottles at the cops. they then started to leave but people were very angry at there display
of athority. the cops called for back up and abunch of cops came but everybody stood there ground cops were lined up. and everybody was
dancing right infront of them and not moving
(beatles were playing in the back ground)then it
calmed down and i left. the cops did pepper spray
people. fuck that venue

fuck the police

WHAT?

how the hell did i miss all of this? well, i guess i'm glad that i did though. thats a shame.

oh yeah...i forgot to mentinon...

hunter is awesome. sounds to me that he is playing much better than the fall. a lovely standing on the moon, stella blue, and a rowdy tune boys in the baroom. good lord deliver our kind.

TO the above post..lets see Chin. You showed up without a ticket, couldnt find one, and decided to still hang out... how many years has the band begged us not to show up without a ticket. Then, the cops do their job by enforcing the venue's (and band's) rules about vending. Cops are then abused with beer bottles (because they displayed their authority) well, duh! it is their job to display authority isnt it. instead of saying fuck the police, how about showing up at a show with a ticket?

That's about right, Taperrob. Not too much of any one guy singing too much.

Reminds me of the tape from Laguna Seca (7/29 or 7/31/88). There's a guy in the audience in front of Weir. Weir says something like "Now here's a guy with a sign that says Let Mickey Sing. He's obviously never heard that. I mean...you can have it if you want it." LOL!

Priceless.

NO TICKY! NO SHOW!

I enjoyed the show VERY much...Had a good drive from NE Ohio and was pleasant...Got into town and hung around the lot, lookin' at shirts and listenin' to peoples stories...Went inside and listened to Dylans set and he and his band are pretty damn good...

I was pleased with their first set...Nice rainbow that appeared in the sky for a few minutes

Nice UJB into Bucket...Stuff with Dylan was great(nice to hear You Win Again) as was the Cumberland & Loose Lucy...Stayed right in my seat and listened to Hunter...Nice job he did...Stella, Deal, Ripple...Nice

As for me I wasn't disappointed with the 2nd set very much at all...Got to here some songs I haven't heard live before or not in a while...Absolutely LOVED that jam between Bobby McGee, Night Of 1000 Stars, and the one into Golden Road...Probably the highlight for me for that show...Golden Road got the place groovin' alright...The rest was good although the Box Of Rain needed a little more punch to it...The Liberty encore was very good...Now that I've heard Joan I really don't know what all the complaining's about...I thought she was just fine and lookin just fine

Surprising got out swiftly...Not a bad drive home except for the fog towards Cleveland...A very exhausted self got home around 4:30am...Damn good night...Hopefully next show will be in Cleveland area though

EDDOS
you never went to a show without a ticket fuck you
i did try to leave but i was blocked in. i left as
soon as i could. the cops were not doing there job
there were taking advantage of there authority. beating people one cop even pulled out a gun on
a little kid. but there just doing there job.
fuck it. why stick up for family. just tell them
to go home cause they don't have 52.50 that night.
ill just jump off the tour and leave all my friends. why stick up for are own kind when they
are treated like shit. lets just sit back and watch. someone asked what happened in the lot and
i told you what i saw. now im made to feel like
a prick because i didn't have a ticket.this is why
i don't post on the philzone. more luv on phish lot then on this thread. this is my last post on
the philzone i feel no luv. if your gonna bitch at
least don't bitch about family. i didn't like what
i saw i thought people might want to know. the whole thing was cought on tape maybe you'll see it
and next time you wont be so quick to be an asshole about it. my feelings are hurt thank you
very much

hey CHIN--I appreciate the reply on what happened in the lot. I had heard about it--they talked about it last night on the radio, but that was it, and not much detail. It's especially nice to know that in the end no one got hurt!

and, I'll agree--Buckeye Lake is better for the dead.

Hey, what about the camping at Frontier--anyone do it? Any surprises in the night (impromptu jamming by any locals maybe???)

>>this is why
i don't post on the philzone. more luv on phish lot then on this thread. this is my last post on
the philzone i feel no luv. if your gonna bitch at
least don't bitch about family.<<

When "family" is starting to do exactly the same things that ruined the scene 15 years ago, which in part led to the end of THE GRATEFUL DEAD, the man SHOULD bitch! To preserve the scene we need to be responsible.

And if the lot is more important than the music, then Phish is where it's at.

how many shows can a fella see for 50 bucks? there is extras around. you get a ticket for 20, you can get in twice like that and still have 10 bucks for a popsicle. nobody wants to sit in the lot wallflowering, but there is worse places to be if the elusive wild ticket is no where to be found.
fuck abusive police. period.

It's hard to please every one out there in never never land. I didn't see the Dead till 83 and didn't start to go on the road til 86 due to my age. I actually had a rough time getting over Jerrys' passing like most of us. I'm probably part of the small minority unfortunately that went inside to every show that I showed up at. In the older days which I wasn't really a part of I often wondered when talking to some of my friends and then asked them how many shows did you see this summer or fall or whatever tour it was? I used to get answers like this. I went to 16 shows. Then, I asked? How many did you go into? Most of the time it was none maybe 1 or 2. I never really understood that at the time but I do now. Getting back to the post Dead it's been pretty good fun unfortunately I've only seen 1 show this summer at Vernon Downs and probably won't see a show till this fall. It's also sort of wierd now because I'm not a kid any more so I sort of feel old at the shows now. Well, sorry for all the complaining and yelling that I just did. I have to say some thing once in a while.

oh, and yeah, bobby played a fine foil to garcia. i loved it when he'd kind of look out of the corner of his eye at bobby in sort of a 'wow, this cat is such a weird phenomena' unbelieveing, kind of way.
maybe warren is a little rufff, more carnie than carnival and your right bobby doesn't exactly need to be "put in check" but here's this. bobby's horses doesn't pull my load on tunes like- i dunno, the ones that IMO make up a defining part of grateful. I guess joanie just has to do it, she'll be the night nurse...
so yeah. hey osborne- try to get it will ya?

joan sure sings a sexy crazy fingers!

Worst Dead/Grateful Dead show I have ever seen! Dylan is painful to listen to these days. Highligt of the night was Cumberland and Robert Hunter. It's just not the same anymore. I saw the lawn seats half full after Drums/Space, everyone left. Disappointed they were going through the motions and expected us to buy it.

Chin, I respect your ability to hang out at in the parking lot with your family and friends. But come on man, you also have to respect the fact that part of teh reason the Dead died during the mid 90s was because of the people who went to shows without tickets. The band was mostly isolated to ugly large venues because of people going to shows without tickets. That doesn't give the police the right to attack and use unreasonable and unnecessary force. But, I believe it does give people the right to become alarmed at what you witnessed. As such, if you plan on going to shows without a ticket, I wouldn't become surprised when people show disdain toward that choice. That choice has a history of killing the Grateful Dead - and despite thousands of pleadings from Jerry in the late 80s and 90s, people didn't listen. I have nothing wrong with you wanting to visit your family and friends, but by all means, don't get ticked when people take offense to your choice of going to shows without a ticket. That scar, my friend, is still pretty raw and by no means has healed.


>>this is why
i don't post on the philzone. more luv on phish lot then on this thread. this is my last post on
the philzone i feel no luv. if your gonna bitch at
least don't bitch about family.<<

When "family" is starting to do exactly the same things that ruined the scene 15 years ago, which in part led to the end of THE GRATEFUL DEAD, the man SHOULD bitch! To preserve the scene we need to be responsible.

And if the lot is more important than the music, then Phish is where it's at.

the music is now and was back in the late 80s and early 90s more important than the Shakedown Street....

By (Musicfan74) on Thursday, August 07, 2003 - 02:09 pm:
Columbus Dead

well an interesting night of music, but probably the weakest performance I've seen by the remaining dead members.

Enjoyed Joan much more than I expected. She did a nice job on China Doll.

basically, like the previous reviewers, I felt the show didnt really ever get going in a direction... the Band seems to lack a clear leader to drive the set... instead it seems to meander quite a bit. Highlights were clearly Bob Dylan's participation in the 1st set, and Cumberland which was fantastic!... the 2nd set was a big disappointment... lame song selection. night of 1000 stars should be left to Warren (IMO) BOx of Rain was very nice, but like everyone else I was feeling at that point "is that it?? whens the real 2nd set start?"

just my opinion but they could do so much more with a more structured song selection... ie a bit more of what the dead had as far as 2nd set structure.

Joan has a nice voice, but think she should go back and listen to a lot more tapes of dead shows to see where the lyrical 'hooks' were ...

still, always fun to see the boys in Columbus... was a nice day ... too bad they cant play at a different venue though! bring back BUCKEYE LAKE!

The scene in the lot was a little difficult to handle, but you have to look at the bigger picture and see things from their side. Taking an "F The Pigs" attitude doesn't help the situation any. We're lucky to have a Shakedown at all, considering it is against the law, so the fact that they let things like that slide is cool...
As for the show, it certainly wasn't the best... but it wasn't totally awful. It was a great surprise to hear You Win Again. Joan is great, and she should be more involved.

Not being a fan of DRUMZ, I have to give big cheers to last night's DRUMZ, which was very inspired and awesome. Mickey rocked the Beam.

I met up with some friends who had extra pavillion tickets, so I had the chance to MIRACLE someone onto the lawn. It was great except that the guy two seats down from me was totally hammered, kept barging in on people's smoke, and got hostile when I told him to go away. He ranted at me about how I was too young to appreciate the Dead, so I told him that he belonged at a Skynyrd concert.

He's the kind of guy that would cause a ruckus in the lot and bring back the 1990's reputation...

Still, a great night all in all... Looking forward to a Fall show in Cleveland and, hopefully, back to Buckeye Lake next year!

i agree about the lot jeremy. funny thing was, i didn't see any of it. only heard about it today. when i was walking up and down the lot at the end, people were still selling beer???

i agree the show wasn't the best but it was still really really good. i couldn't get into the drums though and thats normally one of my favorite parts of the show. glad you dug it though.

Damon damon damon....Do you still think Polaris is the best venue?

I felt the need to chime in and agree with some of the previous posts- Please don't come without a ticket. Respect the band's wishes. And Chin, please lose the attitude and defensiveness. Repeating the phrase "fuck the police" won't get you anywhere except maybe jail. Yes many cops abuse their power (and should be held responsible)- some don't, but turning it into an us versus them mentality can lead to trouble.

Was really hopin' for a Jack Straw but oh well next time...

Must of missed the whole bust everyone's talkin' about...Was a little upset about not being able to get a camera in...Just a basic kodak's all I had...wanted a few shots of my own of the boys...

As for the setlist, not bad...Wanted to hear a few new ones I haven't heard live before...Didn't really know where they were going after the 2nd set opener but it clicked for Bobby McGee>Jam>1000 stars>Jam>Golden Road...I thought that was smokin!

Anyway, everyone's gonna read the show differently...To say it was 'the worst' is totally up to that person...'The worst' for you yeah maybe but for everyone as a whole, no...Certainly not for me...Hopefully get to hear some different tunes next time, regardless I'll be there

zang, i never said it was the best. just that i really liked the place. free parking so its already got star lake and its $8 parking beat. that was my third time there. i've never seen any problems. i like how the sky is always open when i'm there. all 3 times. compared to red rocks, yeah its crap, but isn't everything else? (one month ago eh? what were we doing? oh yeah thats right, seeing the best night of the three! )

CHIN, thanks for clarifying the lot situation. On Chat tour, the word we heard was *rioting*. I'm glad no one got shot. When tickets are available at the door like was the case at many shows this summer, the band is happy to welcome you to the venue ticketless.

anyone who really wonders what the band thinks about those who show up w/o tickets.....check out the pics of the pretour rehearsals on the offical dead site, Bobby's stack has the sticker that says it all, "You Don't Need a Miracle,You Need $42.50" FYI, For years Phish has been asking those w/o tickets to stay away. Shakedown's just a nice place to visit, glad I no longer live there! People are going to jail for selling pipes, yet kids still sell hits at 10 bucks a pop! If you are worried about protecting "family",tell the worker bees to be aware, at Camden, saw a kid whip out a page within 10 yards of a cop...thankfully the cop was bothering me about GIVING away CD's. Before you complain about the cops, what would you do if you where in a strange environment doing your job surrounded by folks throwing bottles and yelling? Protect yourself?

WTF is up with Mickey wearing the surgical mask while playing the beam?

And if you don't have a ticket, don't come to the show. I can't believe this is still an argument.

Even So... Looking at the setlist and reading the reviews(musicwise anyway)of this show, the 6/24 PNC experience that had me trying to sell my 6/25 tix aftershow (glad I didn't find a buyer) keeps popping into my head. Leave Ratdog to Ratdog, and keep this beast fed on something else. Hopefully, with this one out of the way it'll be clear sailing at Jones Beach.

>>>Hopefully, with this one out of the way it'll be clear sailing at Jones Beach

hopefully it cleared the way for a little something extra tomorrow! you freaks at jones beach can't have everything! i'll take a chinarider with my darien thank you.

>>>And if you don't have a ticket, don't come to the show

tommy are ya saying that even if you plan on buying a ticket at the venue you shouldn't come? if it is sold out i see your reasoning, in fact i agree with it. but like at yesterdays show i went w/o a ticket. i planned on buying one at the box office but instead i got one for $40 as i was driving in. if i don't think a show is going to sell out and i don't care about good seats i never ever buy tickets ahead of time.

If tickets are available, and you plan on actually purchasing a ticket and going into the show, then by all means come along. If you plan on hanging out in a parking lot where you've been told you're not welcome, and thus making a hassle for everybody involved, then stay home.

A Few Comments:
1) I pull into the lot and within literally 30 seconds I see a head in cuffs being led away by an undercover - that set the mood.
2) Guy in front of me had his lady meet the misfortune of being popped by the sherrif's office for an empty bowl. She said they were total jerks about it all. She made it into the show and she looked so small and mellow - no monster there to piss the coppers off.
3) CHECK THIS OUT: So the parking staff told me they were keeping a traffic aisle behind me so I could get out when I leave the show. Well, they lied. I was totally blocked in, which pissed me off and wouldn't happen on Bill Graham's watch. So I go to make a sandwhich and have my king cab passenger door open as well as my passanger door. I was making a sandhich and had reached into the passenger foot area to get some sandwich fixings when a dog jumped into the cab of my truck then into the driver's seat. I was startled and the owner came up to get the dog. As he was reaching in to remove the dog a few cd's in jewel cases in the front seat fell out and I bent down to pick them up before they got stepped on. As I was doing so the guy stole a cd wallet with 40 discs in it. What a crappy way to end the show. I believe in Karma and know that the person will meet a fate many times worse than my anger. So be careful out there - there are many scammers who will kick you if you give them the chance. In 11 years of seeing 110 dead shows nothing like this ever happened to me.
4) I too was a bit bummed by the song selection in the second set, but everything was really really well played. Jimmy ripped the whole show and he really stood out in the second set. The golden road was the set closer and was just in a strange place. I caught atlanta, deer dreek, and polaris, and this was the weakest, but was strong anyway. I like hearing 2 new Phil tunes! Bring on the breakouts!

damn jon, that really really sucks. and it REALLY pisses me off. i can't believe people are so ignorant. really sorry to hear about that dude. you're right, karma rules in the end. its just a shame you have to watch your back at shows for shit like this. damn man, just reading that bummed me out.

Tuna Jon...
I absolutely hate that place. I only go there maybe once a year. The Germain Amp. sucks. Too bad CC has everybody locked in to play at these places...Frontier Ranch is more to my liking.
Germain Amp. sucks, has always sucked, and always will suck.

As far as showing up without tickets, the show wasn't sold out! If you can't find a cheap one, bite the bullet and buy a $49 dollar lawn from the box office, I did. I got one at deer creek for $20. There were no deals at Columbus, are people eating their extras?

Traffic getting in and out was horrible. Cars blocked in everywhere. I definatly thought there was much more tension on the lot, compared to deer creek.

Fuckin Shit!! second night in a row I bought BUNK treats. WTF!

Thank You Frontier Ranch!!
Party rocked all night, many smiling faces. No musicians, they had Grateful Dead movies all night. Crazy good time! This made my liitle vacation well worth it.

Oh ya, the show was OK. I think Hunter stole the show. Joan sounded great. Nice to hear a new Phil song.

Not susrprising about the style and energy the boys played. After a show like they played at the Creek I knew they would be a little spent. But I truly enjoyed it, got to hear songs I didn't know, which is a rarity. Not a very dancy show, more of a let's relax a little and just play. . i love Dylan and have noting but the utmost respect, but damn it get off the stage, he does not belong up there with the boys, he is a song writer, and used to be a performer, now he has a good band of his own, they sound good he- like shit. Not to mention the only better than two keyboards on stage is three. Ahh... if only Bruce would sign on. the only things that hasn't progressed since last fall has been the keyboards, Jimmy really coming along, Joan can't say enough about her, Phil and Bob and Mick and Billy, you can tell how much fun they are having. Can't stand Mick singing, but if it makes him happy then more power to it, shit there were some nights that listening to Jerry was tough. Like Rob and Jeff, but two of nothing is still nothing, BRUCE!!!!! What I liked most about the Polaris show was the fact that having seen two in a row, I got two very different styled shows, just like the old days, some days on fire, some trippy, some a little relaxed, never know which one it will be, that's why you need to see a few in a row. About the whole lot scene, no ticket bitch that was going on. I have no problem with dudes showing up without a ticket as long as they love the music first and are at least thinking about getting a ticket, 20 bucks or a good trade. I only went once to a show without a ticket and tried my damnndest, but nobody would budge below a hundred, which is bullshit. Some dude was selling a Jones Beach tick for 200, fuck him!!! Not only did the no ticket crew hurt the tour, the fucking 'heads' who scalped like that did just as much karmic damage. I remember in 94 and 95 these wookies on tour because they had nowhere else to go, I talked to one and asked about some songs he liked, he had been on tour for like a year, and couldn't name more than four tunes, dude go elsewhere, you know the Rainbow family will let you show up. It is a kind place and maybe you could actualy work a little there. If you are going to miracle people, which is a great thing, give it to the performers, lesat they are doing something more than waving a finger in the air
Discrespectful cops suck, discrespectul heads suck, plenty of both, just please people respect one another no matter who they are. zWho were the cops busting the folks slinging wares, I doubt it, the dudes slinging the drugs, and oh my God they got arrested, fucking news flash. An easy way not to get arrested, lose the drugs, you'll enjoy the show more. The dudes who come for the drugs first, get the hell out of here. Would you eat anything that tasted fucked up, smell anything that smells fucked up, hear music that sounds fucked up, then why live fucked up? I say these cops cruising the lot, and they just tole the vendors that they needed to stop at a certain time, even after the show the vendors had a while until wrapped up, what's wrong with that, Throwing beer bottles at someone is never acceptable, if anyone reading this is one of those who threw someting at the police, I only have one thing to say, don't come back. The music has been great that is all that really matters.

>>Even So... Looking at the setlist and reading the reviews(musicwise anyway)of this show, the 6/24 PNC experience that had me trying to sell my 6/25 tix aftershow (glad I didn't find a buyer) keeps popping into my head. Leave Ratdog to Ratdog, and keep this beast fed on something else. Hopefully, with this one out of the way it'll be clear sailing at Jones Beach.<<

Talk about hitting the nail on the head...

i enjoyed the show,, box of rain was nice, especially for the wife... and i definitely thought hunter was a standout for the evening,, we were miracled our tik's so we brought a friend without a ticket and helped him out to get in (49 bucks at the box office.. effin bahstids)..luckily part of our "miracle" was vip parking, and since the wife and our friend are both victims of back surgery it was truly a blessing to be able to get in and get out.. we did stroll through the lot pre-show, but headed in early to avoid the "lot hassles" so i asked my stepson (who went to the show but didn't go in, just hung in the lot) last night if he saw what happened in the lot, and a cop did put a gun to a kid's head, when my stepson's friend said somethin to the cop about what he was doin, the cop stared him down and asked who he was, so he kinda shrunk from him.. (the cop shouldn't have pulled his gun..to easy for somethin to go real wrong real fast) he didn't see anyone getting maced.. but he did see the lot rats throwin bottles.. well,, i definitely have to say i have more sympathy for the cops in this situation,, the lot rats are out for themselves.. and will rip off a "custy" (anyone that's not a lot rat) in a heartbeat.. yeah, they're family unto themselves.. showin the love by spreadin there ill gotten gains amongst themselves..
saw a couple team phil shirts as we were sittin right behind the taper section.. but didn't meet any zoners, i did recognize tapecat.. kudos to all the tapers, i've tried, but it's just too much for me..

I never went to a show without a ticket. Granted, that happened only once What a show I missed though. Worcester show. Got a ticket for the first and third show, but not the second. Missed my favorite song Comes a Time and Morning Dew.

My friends bugged me to go, but I wouldn't becasue the boys had said, if you don't have a ticket don't come so I didn't. I didn't want to be part of the problem.

Oh yea, Family? My brothers and sisters aren't into the dead. Neither is my wife. Mom is little too old for the dead.

It's nice that your family goes to see the boys. Must be great supper converstion

RE: BAD PARKING EXPERIENCE AT 8/6/03 DYLAN & DEAD SHOW GERMAIN IN COLUMBUS



(Please forward to other individuals or lists if it is appropriate to do so)



IF YOU ATTENDED THE DYLAN/DEAD SHOW 8/6 IN COLUMBUS OHIO OR ANY OTHER GERMAIN AMPHITHEATER SHOW AND HAD PROBLEMS PARKING, OR GOT TOWED OR PARKED IN, AND WISH YOU COULD DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT, PLEASE CONTACT LEON BASS, ATTORNEY, AT ldb@lawbass.com OR 614-431-BASS (2277).



As a fan of music, I’ve always been glad that we have a national promoter in town that can bring in biggest acts. However, after what I saw last night, I’m not sure about that anymore. My feeling is that there are a large number of people that deserve to be issued refunds and additional compensation for what happened.



As many of you know, a parking fee was included in the price of each ticket (rather than taking money upon arrival in the parking lot). Yet there was a parking problem because many of the spots near the front of the venue were not made available. At the back entrance, there were no parking attendants, and no spots available. At some point, after sitting in their cars for quite some time, and having missing the entire Dylan set, a large number of people simply got out of their cars and went in the show, leaving their cars in line in the aisles. This meant that many people were parked in. Germain Amphitheater (owned by Clear Channel, the largest concert promoter and radio station owner in the world), despite being at fault for this for not providing parking spaces or direction to these people, decided to have the cars towed.



In my view, the concert experience at Germain has continually decayed over the last ten years; but at this point, I feel that they have crossed the line. If you want to see a show there, you have to pay sometimes more than $40-60 for a ticket, and wait over an hour to get into the venue because of traffic. They won’t let you bring in your own food or water, so you are forced to pay $3.50 for their bottled water. Forget about eating unless you want to pay $8.00 for burrito. Of course, we choose to put up with all of this when we go to a show there, and we don’t have to go if we don’t want to. That night many of us made that choice.



But I think they have gone too far when they charge for parking, don’t provide parking spots, then let people get parked in and others towed. Most of the people that left their cars had no choice; when the car in front of them stopped, they had to stop too. The venue did nothing to stop it.



And even if the drivers did have a choice (some people not stuck in a line of cars just parked anywhere they could) their options were not reasonable: either leave the venue and miss the show or park someone in. There is no other place to park outside the venue (office buildings nearby have signage threatening horrible things if even think about parking there). These options were the only options provided by the venue by its actions. And then the venue attempted to tow everyone.



Note that I noticed that the venue did actually have some parking attendants on duty, but I noticed many of them standing around in a circle talking and laughing as if they were tailgating—all this just feet from the line of cars with nowhere to go. They simply ignored the situation. This just makes everything more egregious: knowing they could have done something and didn’t (as I said there were a large number of available spots near the front of the venue, but they were blocked off).



It is my belief that the venue should refund ticket prices (including service charges) to anyone that was towed, parked in, or otherwise seriously inconvenienced by the venue’s irresponsible behavior. I also believe that the venue should reimburse those that had to get a cab or call a friend to pick them up at 1:00am, and should pay all towing fees, etc. If you feel like this situation directly inconvenienced you as described (including if you witnessed these events at this or another show), please let me know.



Yours truly,

Leon Bass





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Leon David Bass

Attorney at Law

www.LawBass.com

614-431-BASS

why are the boys booking through clear channel? this company is directly related to many of the ills in our society. the have banned lennon's "imagine". they're holding hands with the current bush administration.

i'd almost rather have less shows, with more quality experiences, then give one tenth of one cent to clear channel.

smash clear channel. we can make it on our own.

i also attened the columbus show and heres my 2 cents....the show as a whole as alright. not amazing but not horible either. i hated dylan. his band sounded fine but his voice was very bad. im not real into dylan though so maybe im just missing something. first dead set was real good. uncle johns band, bucket, cumberland, and dancin were all smokin. hunter was very good like usual. great standing on moon, barroom, ripple, and stella. second dead set was a little odd. musically very tight but definetly a weird song selection. i dug thousand stars, golden road, box, and liberty. like i said all in all a decent show but not the magic that i was hoping for. it cant be amazing every night though. no problems with that.
now as for the venue and lot a whole diffrent story. that was my first time attening there and hopefully ill never have to go back. lots and gates both opening at 3 pm for a 5pm show! are you kidding me.i was at the front of the line gettin into the lot and i had enough time to cook a hotdog and do a quick circle round the lot then i had to do the probably mile long walk to the gates. the wast anyone inside for dylan. also why is there only one way in and one way out and its only 2 lanes??? these are million dolllar venues and the cant make it for convenient entering and exiting. its absolute bullshit. its like during building they forgot that they needed a lot and stuff and just have to throw something together last minute. they love bringin 50000 people to the venue but once were there and they have our money screw us. its like this at star lake in pittsburgh to. it really sucks.

D Lando

Yes, Mickey should lose the Mic. It's starting to be a vain attempt at enjoying fame or even a selfish endeavor. Mickey, i hope you read this, in the recent article in rolling stine you said you wanted to "recruit each head--one by on, like we always have." You won't be successful if you keep singing Fire. I must say though, I like self defense and baba jingo. Even so, put down the mic, it is not fitting.

Another thing, people out there, please tone it down. There is so much competition and anarchy on this board. People need to have some respect for other peoples opinions and not be so offended, not lash out, not ghet so bent out of shape if people disagree with them. Its ok to agree to disagree, but don't sware at people and start making fun of them. I have had posts in the past that were unkind, but I regret them. Again, lets tone it down.

huh?

no one remembers the double rainbow that appeared southwest of the venue right as the dead started the first set for me this show was magic jimmy h. was way under rated on guitar