7-24-04 - Alpine Valley - East Troy, WI

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Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By scott (Magnetosphere) on Thursday, July 22, 2004 - 02:28 pm: Edit Post

Getting fired up for the show, figured it was time we had a thread. Who's in?!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By ChiTownHead (Bigdan) on Thursday, July 22, 2004 - 06:37 pm: Edit Post

I'm in. Can't wait!!!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By John Lammie (Unclejohn) on Thursday, July 22, 2004 - 07:13 pm: Edit Post

I'll be there for sure!!! Coming from St. Louis, MO.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Herril Terrace (Herril) on Friday, July 23, 2004 - 01:57 am: Edit Post

I will be there. This will be my 20th year at Alpine. It sure has changed, for GREED has taken over the area. A fine here and a fine there.

Back in the day there were no major problems. People had fun, and it took us to a new plane. Now, Since the GREEDY want more and more they decided to make it rough on having a better time at Alpine.

I am interested if others feel the same.

No Vending? Fine someone $1000 for selling a bottle of water!!! what the %$^%&#%^#@#!!!!!!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Jack Wambach (Jackstraw04) on Friday, July 23, 2004 - 10:59 am: Edit Post

They also have undercover cops/alpine security usually dressed in tye-dye shirts walking around looking for people smoking, underage drinking, and selling stuff. And its true they will bust you for selling water I talked to someone at the Phish concert who had it happen to him.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Out Sider (Lostatlast) on Friday, July 23, 2004 - 04:23 pm: Edit Post

"Sitting on the porch straining to see the stars it occurred to me that the ultimate guerrilla tactic is to think for oneself and quietly conduct oneself accordingly. We shall know one another by what we are not as much, or more, than by what we choose to demonstrate in the broad cartoon strokes necessary for public discourse. Public pronouncements are destined to be twisted or ignore, and preaching to the choir is redundant. Those who begin as brave and vocable visionaries are soon assimilated into the entertainment industry and rise and fall as ticket sales dictate..." - R. Hunter


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By scott (Magnetosphere) on Saturday, July 24, 2004 - 01:11 am: Edit Post

I was at the Phish shows and it's true, underage drinking was severely cracked down upon with $250 tickets or somesuch. Even with two nights there was very minimal vending, though it was better night two.

But the weather looks great and the music's what I'm going for, so no worries about the lot scene.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By andre peltier (Wampa1) on Saturday, July 24, 2004 - 02:26 pm: Edit Post

Dark Star tonight??????


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Tim (Tjw) on Saturday, July 24, 2004 - 02:35 pm: Edit Post

I'm hoping for a *Bucky Special* tonight.
And, I've never experienced a live "Mr. Charlie."


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By CHAUNCHE (Qwesauncho) on Saturday, July 24, 2004 - 02:50 pm: Edit Post

Yeah I'm sorry to say that tonight will be the Cryptical, Darkstar, st. Stephen, The Eleven, Mts.of the Moon, probably the High Time not to mention 8 miles high. Probably the heaviest show of the tour if not the past 5 years. I know this because I will not be there. But for those who do attend, including many of my friends, I hope it is all that I wish I could be there for...does that make sense? Saturday nights seem to be rippers now adays and I expect tonight to be no less. Oh yeah, dont forget the Born Cross Eyed, that one for sure. Peace.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Taperrob (Taperrob) on Saturday, July 24, 2004 - 08:58 pm: Edit Post

Warren Setlist for St. Louis, 7/23/04

Beautifully Broken
Patchwork Quilt
Glory Road
The Real Thing
In My Life
Wild Horses
Fallen Down
Soulshine

thanks to LoneStarDead c/o recmusicgdead


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Taperrob (Taperrob) on Saturday, July 24, 2004 - 11:47 pm: Edit Post

Warren Haynes, Alpine Valley, 7/24/04

Setlist:
Stranded In Self Pity
To Lay Me Down
Alison
Wasted Time
One
I'll Be the One
Sky is Crying
Soulshine


The Dead, Alpine Valley 7/24/04

Set 1:
Hey Pockey Way>
Music Never Stopped
The Wheel>
Doin' That Rag
Mississippi Half-Step
Strange World>
Casey Jones
Headcount Rap


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By ~{}~theWickedMessenger~{}~ (Gunnner) on Sunday, July 25, 2004 - 12:09 am: Edit Post

any of you tools got a second set update?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Peter (Psegal) on Sunday, July 25, 2004 - 12:34 am: Edit Post

thanks Rob...you the man.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Edgar (Shaky) on Sunday, July 25, 2004 - 01:06 am: Edit Post

set 2:
TNK
Reuben and Cherise
Born Cross Eyed
The Other One

from too board


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By joshua henderson (Selasie777) on Sunday, July 25, 2004 - 01:20 am: Edit Post

how full was the show?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By joshua henderson (Selasie777) on Sunday, July 25, 2004 - 01:27 am: Edit Post

whose got second set???????????????


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By joshua henderson (Selasie777) on Sunday, July 25, 2004 - 01:52 am: Edit Post

second set:
Tommorow never knows
Reuben
Born C eyed
Other1
d/s
Dew
Unbroken
encore: OMSN


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By You Can Call Me Al (Merryprankster) on Sunday, July 25, 2004 - 02:11 am: Edit Post

actually....
Re: (*(*(*7.24.04 Setlist*)*)*)
Author: hennemong (---.ipt.aol.com)
Date: 07-25-04 00:40

Set 1:

Hey Pocky Way
Music Never Stopped
The Wheel
Doin' That Rag
Mississippi Half Step
Strange World
Casey Jones
Headcount Rap Dealio


set 2:

TNK
Reuben and Cherise
Born Cross Eyed
The Other One
Drums/Space
Morning Dew
Unbroken Chain
Uncle John's Band
China Cat Sunflower
I Know You Rider


from TOOboard


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By You Can Call Me Al (Merryprankster) on Sunday, July 25, 2004 - 02:15 am: Edit Post

01>DS is wishful thinking. Alpine is special, but not that special


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Taperrob (Taperrob) on Sunday, July 25, 2004 - 02:23 am: Edit Post

Warren Haynes, Alpine Valley, 7/24/04

Setlist:
Stranded In Self Pity
To Lay Me Down
Alison
Wasted Time
One
I'll Be the One
Sky is Crying
Soulshine




The Dead, Alpine Valley 7/24/04

Set 1:
Hey Pockey Way>
Music Never Stopped
The Wheel>
Doin' That Rag
Mississippi Half-Step
Strange World>
Casey Jones
Headcount Rap

Set 2:
Tomorrow Never Knows>
Reuben & Cerise>
Born Cross-Eyed>
Cryptical Envelopment>
The Other One>
Drumz/Space>
Morning Dew
Unbroken Chain>
Uncle John's Band>
China Cat Sunflower>
I Know You Rider
Donor Rap
enc: Turn On Your Lovelight

thanks to Cosmic Charlie and GT for the list


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By tar_w (Tar_w) on Sunday, July 25, 2004 - 02:25 am: Edit Post

sick!!!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By ~{}~theWickedMessenger~{}~ (Gunnner) on Sunday, July 25, 2004 - 02:27 am: Edit Post

looks like it sucked!!!!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By mike w (Deadite) on Sunday, July 25, 2004 - 02:31 am: Edit Post

looks like it rocked!!!!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By guy smiley (Headlight73) on Sunday, July 25, 2004 - 02:32 am: Edit Post

that could have been my set


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By ~{}~theWickedMessenger~{}~ (Gunnner) on Sunday, July 25, 2004 - 02:47 am: Edit Post

you don't know what you're talking about, mike w....you're nothing but a pansy ass tool


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By ~{}~CleanCutKid~{}~ (Gunner) on Sunday, July 25, 2004 - 03:49 am: Edit Post

thats an impersonater

notice the 3 nnn's

the real Gunner is a Zoner Junkie

looks Like It rocked!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By ~{}~theCentralScrutinizer~{}~ (Gunnner) on Sunday, July 25, 2004 - 03:54 am: Edit Post

dumbass, of course it rocked!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Rev. Buddy Greene (Randomposter) on Sunday, July 25, 2004 - 04:13 am: Edit Post

show was killer! it was one of those shows that was so enjoyable and so much fun it just flew by. Also NO Mickey song!!!!WOOOOO!!!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Gr8fulDad (Binlajolla) on Sunday, July 25, 2004 - 04:30 am: Edit Post

Rev Bud at a show and NO MICKEY SONG...!!!...

How the fuck did that happen.?



Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Tim (Tjw) on Sunday, July 25, 2004 - 05:00 am: Edit Post

Fun show!
Nice PZone vibe.
Good times. :-)


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By LL2 (Gratefulmike88) on Sunday, July 25, 2004 - 06:07 am: Edit Post

wow...that was sweet! just got home and still buzzin'! just like mentioned above, amazin and fun time, just a little on the chilly side to say the least.....solid with warren nailin Rueban and Dew. only issue i had was no massive Phil bombs before the verses in TOO. sorry i can't give the big breakdown but need to try and get some rest before breakin for the creek in a few hours. it is grate to have this feelin' again. just like Phil said, "they should have done 2 shows here" and i wish let us camp in the lot like days of yore....peace


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Taperrob (Taperrob) on Sunday, July 25, 2004 - 09:36 am: Edit Post

>>Also NO Mickey song!!!!

check that.. no Mickey SINGING

the Mickey song is Strange World....


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By andre peltier (Wampa1) on Sunday, July 25, 2004 - 09:49 am: Edit Post

Anyone up for writing a big full review. The setlist looks pretty good. How about some analysis. How was the playing?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By BillySunday (Knowuser) on Sunday, July 25, 2004 - 10:01 am: Edit Post

no jams?...not to be negitive but...i'd prefer less songs and more jams...

i know that they said before the tour started that they were going to work on songs and not jams...but i guess i really like long inspired jams

it's all good


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Jack (Darkstar71) on Sunday, July 25, 2004 - 11:08 am: Edit Post

Well as I am waking up having some coffee and telling myself a 5hr drive wouldnt be too bad. Last night is almost making me thinking of doing it. 1st set last night was decent nothing overly jammed out but a decent set they really do get the train rolling on Casey Jones.Anyone else think that Hey pocky way would be a great transition into Lazy lighting-supplication.

2nd set

I would have to say that was one incrediable Rueben&Cherise could be the best version I have ever heard Ill have to listen to the tapes later but it was dam good. I love Born x eyed the song just has a nice hook to it and this version wasnt anything special but it was well played. The Criptical-->TOO was good Phil did lay some bombs for the opening of TOO and the jam was decent.

Morning Dew wow Warren sang this one with some gusto and emotion while the jams in it werent overly long they were tasty. Unbroken was good nothing real special about this version pretty much the same with UJB but it did get the crowd going. Chine Rider to close was nice the transition into rider got a little out of wack but they managed to bring back it nicly and played a power house Rider again the jams werent overly long but still good. While we werent getting 20 min jams there was plenty of good stuff in there. Man I envy the East Coast this band is starting to gel and I can only see it getting better.

Peace


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Jumpturn (Jumpturn) on Sunday, July 25, 2004 - 11:13 am: Edit Post

That second set looks very tasty.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Scott Greenbaum (Scottgreenbaum) on Sunday, July 25, 2004 - 12:58 pm: Edit Post

Yes, the show was very, very good. There were some weird undercover busts in the parking lot, but I think and hope those were isolated.

Pocky got everyone going out of the gate! Very strong...most of the songs in the 1st set "had some mustard on 'em"! The Strange World into Casey Jones was great! Casey kept speeding up and up each time the last chorus was repeated by Warren.

I imagine the 2nd set felt alot like 1968 or so, with the Born Cross Eyed, That's It > The Other One and the Dew! The drum segment was excellent and focused! Billy really threw down himself for a while playing drum set rhythms and percussion simultaniously, then Mickey stepped up to the beam and really let loose!

The Ruben & Cherise and the Dew were definitely highlights.

Seeing Phil lead the band thru "his songs", the Unbroken and watching them kick up their legs at the end of Rider...very fun indeed...the China was also pretty slow, but featured a pretty deep, funky groove! Onward to Indy!!! Have fun and BE SAFE!!!!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By damon (Verve13) on Sunday, July 25, 2004 - 01:53 pm: Edit Post

I guess that whole thing about The Dead doing the Anthem of the Sun album at Deer Creek won't happen. Assuming since they played Cryptical>Other One last night. And Born Cross Eyed


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Rev. Buddy Greene (Randomposter) on Sunday, July 25, 2004 - 02:12 pm: Edit Post

'check that.. no Mickey SINGING

the Mickey song is Strange World...."


thats funny because I found that to be my least favorite tune of the evening...


I had no problems with security at all and I talked to a bunch of them. I was very nice to them and they were very nice to me. I didnt hit shakedown at all though so the assholes might have been there.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Gr8fulDad (Binlajolla) on Sunday, July 25, 2004 - 02:21 pm: Edit Post

I am confused..Strange world..writen by and sung by Mickey or just written by Mick.?.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By andre peltier (Wampa1) on Sunday, July 25, 2004 - 02:39 pm: Edit Post

Just written by Mickey. It's sung by Warren and Bobby.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Robert Hamilton (Roberthamilton) on Sunday, July 25, 2004 - 02:48 pm: Edit Post

Very good show. I am soooo glad Phil stepped aside and let Warren sing Dew. It made the show for me. Great drums, Wonderful. Reuben & Cerise almost made me cry. Fantastic. I heard them playing it in sound check and thought it would be played in Indy, but they pulled it out and pulled it off.

It did fly by as well. Great weather just cool enough to dance the night away without getting too hot.

After 200+ Grateful Dead shows, numerous Other Ones, Ratdog, and Phil & Friends shows, I would have to say this was the best show I have seen since 1994. I was very impressed. Bob let Warren take the lead. Phil doesnt seem to be trying to run the show as much as he does with P&F. They seem to be coming together as a band. Jimmy still paints himself into corners now and again but overall he was awsome.
Warren reminds me of Jerry in so many ways. He is a work horse.

Great job. Heading for MI cant make Indy.
See ya there.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By ~{}~theCentralScrutinizer~{}~ (Gunner) on Sunday, July 25, 2004 - 03:10 pm: Edit Post

its the best band since GD finished in 95! I totally agree robert they have some reall potential


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By ken kawamoto (Kenk) on Sunday, July 25, 2004 - 03:14 pm: Edit Post

who sings pockey way now?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By matthew ben nelson (Mattyb) on Sunday, July 25, 2004 - 03:22 pm: Edit Post

Best THE DEAD show I've seen. It was definitely Phil's night--he was in charge from the start. Lotta fun.

Also my first time at a Clear Channel venue. What a rip off! Couldn't bring my CrazyCreek in, but as soon as I was thru the gate there were chairs for rent for $6. They've also got an army of teenage vendors walking the crowd, hawking beers and candy for $5-10. When I asked several of them how much they made doing that job, they all gave the exact same reply like robots: "I do very well. I make a good commission on my sales." Obviously a bunch of well-trained lackeys.

The money changers have definitely invaded the temple but the music apparently can stand it. Thank god!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Herman Munster (Masked_avenger) on Sunday, July 25, 2004 - 03:48 pm: Edit Post

>>>>>>>>I imagine the 2nd set felt alot like 1968 or so,


You must have a very large stock of some VERY good LSD, my freind.

The only thing remeniscent of 1968 is a couple of songs written on a piece of paper.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Jamie Waddell (Doses) on Sunday, July 25, 2004 - 04:17 pm: Edit Post

masked avenger be not so cruel in yer critique; for the mists of chaos created by this band surely propels the mind traveler as did the music of the 60s Jerry would be proud in my opinion


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Tim (Tjw) on Sunday, July 25, 2004 - 04:20 pm: Edit Post

Re: Alpine Zoner gathering...
Where's G.Dad and Heckley when you need 'em?
I wasn't prepared to be the most senior Zoner.
Those mature gentlemen carry that burden so well.
Nice meeting y'all; age before beauty, I guess.
(Yes, I do possess an old-guy complex.)


Huge thanks to Rev for putting me at eye level
with Weir's ball-sack for this show; loved it.


ps Mickey did use his microphone last night at
Alpine during the distorted vocals intro jam
at the very beginning of Tomorrow Never Knows.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By andre peltier (Wampa1) on Sunday, July 25, 2004 - 06:32 pm: Edit Post

Jamie
That's nuts. Go back to the Ratdog boards where that comment belong.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By matthew ben nelson (Mattyb) on Sunday, July 25, 2004 - 06:39 pm: Edit Post

Warren sings lead on Hey Pocky Way, with Bobby and Phil joining in on the chorus.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By a.p. (Western_skies) on Sunday, July 25, 2004 - 07:16 pm: Edit Post

>>Jamie
That's nuts. Go back to the Ratdog boards where that comment belong.


What's so nuts about his comment? All he is saying is that the music is capable of taking the listener as far as the LISTENER/MINDTRAVELER will allow. Makes sense to me.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Taperrob (Taperrob) on Sunday, July 25, 2004 - 07:56 pm: Edit Post

>>When I asked several of them how much they made doing that job, they all gave the exact same reply like robots: "I do very well. I make a good commission on my sales." Obviously a bunch of well-trained lackeys.



hey Mattyb,
whats wrong with teenagers making some money during the summer, a time where they could be on vacation with their family???? guess you never held a summer job as a kid......

so what they all gave you the same answer, like you say "a bunch of well-trained lackeys". they dont have to tell you shit about what they make. and to ask is in very poor taste about them and their job, no matter who owns the venue.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Gr8fulDad (Binlajolla) on Sunday, July 25, 2004 - 07:58 pm: Edit Post

Taperrob..how much do you make posting setlists in chat room..??..


Hahaha


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By David Kinney (Happydave) on Sunday, July 25, 2004 - 08:31 pm: Edit Post

I just got back and was interested to see what other people thought of the show. I'm glad to see it's pretty much unanumious. This show kicked ass. For Me this was one of the finest dead shows i have seen since 1989. There were many highlights Ruben,dew heck there were tons. This show just rocked from beginning to end.

Something very strange /cosmic happened to me that i just have to share.
After listening to tapes of the first leg i thought the band was really starting to sound very strong. As i'm a screen printer by trade (started my business 20 years ago selling t's in the parking lot). I really wanted to make some cool shirts for my friends and to sell a few for old times sake.
After being inspired by the current playing i came up with the idea to put a picture from the first leg of the original four playing on stage and then put a picture of Jer in the back ground with a big smile, and on the back i put "bound to cover just a little more ground". The idea is Jerry is looking down on them and is very happy that they are still playing the music that feeds our souls.
They turned out great and everyone loved them.

Now to the point of this silly story. As we all know Phil likes to tell a story with the set lists. Sometimes hard to figure out somwtimes not. This one was pretty easy. And it just so happens that it's the exact story i'm trying to convey with my shirts.
Set 1
Feel good music in your sole makes your body...
A band beyond description
Bound to cover just a little more ground

Set 2
Open your mind
Bus came by i got on thats when....
Come hear uncle johns band by the river side
gonna miss you when Im gone

theres more but thats all i can remember.

I know some of you will think i had lots of good lsd in my mind but i truly feel some how there was a similar thought that went into both shirt and setlist. Maybe i'm crazy but i really think that is what phil was trying to convey. this music is bound to cover just a little more ground.

thanks to everyone that made this such a special show for me and my friends.

Peace.






Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Jamie Waddell (Doses) on Sunday, July 25, 2004 - 08:42 pm: Edit Post

western skies, Thank you That is what i meant and i would say that happy daves fantasy illustrates the capability of their music(my own opinion is after seeing seven of the nine west coast shows, which i obviously enjoyed)


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By steve (Ptbarnum) on Sunday, July 25, 2004 - 10:16 pm: Edit Post

I really enjoyed this one. One of the highlights was the dark droning jam opening the second set leading into Tomorrow Never Knows. Reuben and Cerise was rich. Many of the transitions were very cool, along with the weather...

A drawback was the sound on the lawn...

The guitars very high in the mix, and kind of shrill, drowning out Phil, and the vocals. (At our seats in the pavilion the balance was a lot better...)

I only heard a little of what Phil said at the end, but he seemed genuinely excited by the evening... Can anyone fill me in, or do I have to wait for the Munckmix CD?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Jack (Darkstar71) on Monday, July 26, 2004 - 12:21 am: Edit Post

Steve ,
I cant remeber that exact words it was something like .
Wow that was like old times, We should of played 2 nights here, that was special give yourself s a hand for being part of it and making it happen. He said a few others words on how great it was but for sure Phil was stoked by it. :-)


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Matthew1174 (Matthew1174) on Monday, July 26, 2004 - 01:06 am: Edit Post

I am struck by how DAMN GOOD I still feel. Having consumed a total of two beers inside, and having purposely avoided indulging in any illicit/controlled substances, I still feel/felt as though I was dosed, albeit a rather mild dose. At one point, Iím not sure my feet where touching the ground. Holy god, this band is incredibly HOT!

Do you ever feel that sense of loss as you know that the show goes on, but you cannot be there? I would love to be at Deer Creek tonight. Hope everyone is having fun swimming in the psychedelic stew that these guys are whipping up.

As Philís comments go, among other things, he said something about the show being one of the most enjoyable musical experiences that he can remember being a part of. I agree with him, it was a truly special evening.

I am not going to lay out any detailed reviews, they truly are a band beyond description. I can say that last night was exceptional. While we all have varying experiences at shows, my take on last night was having experienced something very special. I havenít felt this way in a very long time.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Green Destiny (Lulu) on Monday, July 26, 2004 - 01:47 am: Edit Post

"its the best band since GD finished in 95!"

I totally agree Gunner!! This show was so fuckin smokin, it blew me away. I told my husband they haven't sounded this good since Jerry. What a great band and great time. I'm so glad we made the spontaneuos trip up there on Sat. This owas one for the books.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By andre peltier (Wampa1) on Monday, July 26, 2004 - 08:45 am: Edit Post

"its the best band since GD finished in 95!"

It may be the best band since GD finished in '91.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By RAG (Rag) on Monday, July 26, 2004 - 11:46 am: Edit Post

I thought the highlight of the show was the pre-verse one Other One lead from Jimmy. This was one of the first times that I was really able to see his lead "leading" the jam, and the band improvising rhythms off of his lead.

They are coming together.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By matthew ben nelson (Mattyb) on Monday, July 26, 2004 - 01:00 pm: Edit Post

>>>hey Mattyb,
whats wrong with teenagers making some money during the summer, a time where they could be on vacation with their family???? guess you never held a summer job as a kid......

so what they all gave you the same answer, like you say "a bunch of well-trained lackeys". they dont have to tell you shit about what they make. and to ask is in very poor taste about them and their job, no matter who owns the venue.

Actually I deserve this rebuke Taperrob. I didn't mean to denigrate these kids for doing some work. I apologize for my insensitive remarks. My beef was with Clear Channel's whole operation--not the sixteen-year-olds who benefit from it. Your remarks are right on, and I guess that's what I get for posting somewhat thoughtlessly with too much Dead-induced adrenaline and too little sleep.

However I will defend myself on the point of asking them what they made. First of all, each time I asked I prefaced my question by asking, "Do you mind if I ask you a personal question?" Certainly they could say "Yes" (which actually one person did say) and I would respect their privacy. But I was struck by the fact that four or five of the vendors all gave the same answer, practically word for word. It reminded me of the stories I've heard from friends who've worked for some retail corporations or for "pyramid"-type marketing outfits in which they were instructed how to respond to inquiries about their work and compensation (or their "personal finances" is the way one group liked to put it). This kind of training, incidentally, also makes it more difficult for workers to organize and bargain with their employers (Wal-Mart is just the best publicized and most notorious example of a corporation that uses these anti-labor tactics). When I asked the last vendor I spoke with if they were given instructions like this during training, she ignored me. (Probably not surpising in any case :-)) Then the show started, and I stopped asking questions and started listening and dancing like most everyone else.

These were just my observations, and obviously my thoughts about the "trained response" I felt like I was hearing are a matter of speculation. Nonetheless I have no doubt that by dangling the prospect of big commissions in front of these kids (it'd be interesting to learn the turnover rate during a summer), Clear Channel cuts down on their labor costs substantially. All of which would fit into the larger pattern of blatant profit-maximizing going on at Alpine Valley this year:

1) Already mentioned the chair rentals. The reason for forbidding any chairs, according to one of the security personnel, was because they could be used as a weapon. But apparently that's not a problem so long as you rent your potential weapon from Clear Channel.
2)I think most venues now require that any water bottles being brought in must be sealed, which I've always thought is rather reasonable given the amount of liquor smuggling that used to take place. But Clear Channel has gone a step further by insisting on removing the sealed caps at the entrance. The only reason I can find for this rule (beyond cutting down slightly on litter) is that it makes it really hard to carry in more than one or two bottles of water. This difficulty is also guaranteed by the strict outlawing of all bags of any size. Except of courses purses. I've always taken a Mountainsmith shoulder pack filled with my raincoat, an extra layer of clothing, and a few water bottles in with me, and it has the same dimensions and functions as a purse (my friends call it my he-purse). But I was told I'd have to leave it outside for security reasons, so I was down to one large bottle of water in my hand. Fortunately for the Clear Channel concert-goer, an endless supply of water bottles can be purchased inside the venue for $5 a piece!
3) Also already mentioned the extravagant food and beverage prices, even compared to other concert venues I've been to, which admittedly are never cheap.

Now I'm not looking for a free ride by any means. I could handle paying more if it meant getting more. But as far as I could tell, Clear Channel has not made any investments or improvements in the infrastructure of the theater: the bathrooms were still atrocious and nothing's been done (like putting in some steps of some sort) about the dangerous concrete "slides" down the lawn. In fact, I was really struck by the dramatic constrast that ol'Alpine Valley (always has been my favorite midwestern venue) now poses to all the internal improvements I enjoyed at municipally-owned Red Rocks in June.

So basically everything I saw inside Alpine Valley this weekend, with the ever-important exceptions of the band and audience, looked like an exercise in corporate greed to me. Maybe I'm being too sensitive to these kinds of things (wouldn't be the first time). But the more I think about it, the more I'm certain that Clear Channel is bad for Alpine Valley, The Dead, and us. Time will tell, I guess ("think you're in heaven, but you're living in hell")....

Peace


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By John Klatt Sr. (Dakrzfkr) on Monday, July 26, 2004 - 01:08 pm: Edit Post

This was my first show in 12 Years!

IVE BEEN BUSY OK?!(no not jail either)

Anyhow much Thanx to my brother Cerberus for the invite. I wasnt really expecting to go,but since he flew in from D.C.,and I hadnt seen him in over a year,I said WTF. That was the main reason for going. Man...my car exhaust broke on the way,and I had to spend the night so I could make repairs in the morning,and my wife is so PISSED,but it was worth it. Shes been piised b4 she'll be pissed again. Especially next year. ;-) Thank god its only a 2 hour drive from here.

Im REALLY happy I went,Warren was sending chills down my spine.He fits in so well. The rest of the band would have to be nutz to let him out. Offer him anything to stay. Ive heard the shows with Joan,and was not impressed with her. She got a nice voice,and it melted in nicely with the band,but I really dis-like that pompus *****.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By funguy (Takamelody) on Monday, July 26, 2004 - 01:40 pm: Edit Post

joans pompus ? I love what I learn here on the zone. I'll have to write that on "my list".


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Jim Egan (Cougarjim) on Monday, July 26, 2004 - 01:55 pm: Edit Post

Couple of quick, random thoughts. I was glad that Phil and the band felt the specialness of the evening as much as the crowd. The second set is still buzzing in my head this morning.
The Dew was one of my best moments at a show ever. I was in tears! And my God, they NAILED the TNK! Rubin and Cherise, NEVER thought I'd get one of those at a show!
Heard rumors about Phil's health lately, but he looked great on Saturday. Warren, what can you say about what he brings to the table, WOW! And Jeff is really settling into the lone keyboard spot (BTW, anyone else think he looks like one of the Hanson brothers from SlapShot?).


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By dyer o'connor (Dyerwolf) on Monday, July 26, 2004 - 02:23 pm: Edit Post

Hey funguy,
I, too, love what ya learn on da zone.
Hope you and BB had some swell times.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Cal C (Posthead) on Monday, July 26, 2004 - 02:48 pm: Edit Post

Mattyb,

You are on my wavelength, for sure.

I've always wanted to show up at a concert venue with a lawyer in tow & see what "rules" actually hold up as "real" legal restrictions i.e. local bylaws, etc. Only thing stopping me is money for the lawyer & the fact that the venue can just refuse me admission if I won't co-operate as long as they refund the value of my ticket.

I do have some clarification for you on the water bottle question. Removing the caps on the water bottles causes them to be less efficient as projectiles. This is what I was told at one HOB venue (not even Clear Channel). It almost makes sense, because they have always removed the caps of the bottles you buy at the concession stands inside the venue, so why not do it at the gate? You are right on though about how it affects what you can physically bring in. Especially if you can't bring in ANY bags at all.

Sounds like it was still a great show anyway. That's what counts when the night's over.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By John Lammie (Unclejohn) on Monday, July 26, 2004 - 07:02 pm: Edit Post

I went to all three shows (St. Louis, Alpine & Deer Creek) and it was well worth the 1000 mile round trip!!! I would have to say out of the three shows I saw, the St. Louis show was the best, with Deer Creek a close second, the Alpine show was very mellow and it just didn't have the same energy level as St. Louis & Deer Creek. I'm very tired from traveling and will write a review later.




Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By David A. Winkler (Winkda66) on Monday, July 26, 2004 - 09:06 pm: Edit Post

Random thoughts...

Reuben & Cerise was great, but Warren totally missed his vocal cue on the first verse...Bobby was really pissed. They played the entire first verse and then some before Warren finally figured out the teleprompter and came in...

Hey Pocky Way and The Other One, I thought, were highlights...

Morning Dew was right on...

Bad transition between China Cat>Rider...

Would have liked to see a little more extended jamming somewhere. Overall, a great show, but I thought Deer Creek was even better...


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Mike (Ststepheneleven) on Monday, July 26, 2004 - 09:17 pm: Edit Post

just listened to the first set and thought it was very,very nice


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By matthew ben nelson (Mattyb) on Monday, July 26, 2004 - 11:06 pm: Edit Post

>>>Sounds like it was still a great show anyway. That's what counts when the night's over.

Very true.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By chris greever (Pearly_baker) on Tuesday, July 27, 2004 - 03:01 am: Edit Post

z'lookimg out on the crowd that was standing there]' I hope to always be one of the folks standing there
The dead is hot go see them
Emjoy this summer we are all not getting any younger. From the fleet wood song "and I am getting a little older too. The Dead will not be around much longer enjoy it while you can. Jerry is loving it, you can fee;his presents I love all you heads. have a great time mana.
Love Chris


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By funguy (Takamelody) on Tuesday, July 27, 2004 - 05:37 am: Edit Post

hey dyer !!! WISH YOU WERE THERE : (
I'm still floating #%&%*&()$()**)^%#@%&*


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By NOTTY (Notty) on Tuesday, July 27, 2004 - 09:19 am: Edit Post

first of all, it was cool to finally meet some zoners!

next...hey, the Dead obviously love alpine for whatever reasons, and this show rocked!

the vibe was felt everywhere throughout the evening, and phil capped it with some nice thoughts during the donor rap.

by far the best post jerry performance i have heard!

as far as the rest of the scene, i thought the parking lot, security in and out of the show, was all pretty laid back.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Maiko (Maiko) on Tuesday, July 27, 2004 - 11:30 am: Edit Post

WTF was that?!?!?! I just got run over by a dayglow vibratin' gyratin' easy rollin' BUS! Summun said, they're taking it FURTHUR . . . jammin' some tunes about bein' born cross-eyed, and to watch out for danger, and other sumpin'-sumpin'. Eureka! This might be somethin' to keep yo' EYEZES upon . . . driver Jerry at the WHEEL.

Come on along!

Sick/SICK/Sick

That was IT.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Matthew1174 (Matthew1174) on Tuesday, July 27, 2004 - 01:24 pm: Edit Post

>>Bad transition between China Cat>Rider...<<

I liked the transition between China>Rider. Rider was coming, no doubt about it, and the lollygagging that took place heightened the suspense. It was fun to watch and listen as they managed to turn the tune around the corner.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Matt Tonn (Haroldwi) on Tuesday, July 27, 2004 - 06:46 pm: Edit Post

I also enjoyed the transition between china cat and I know you rider it seemed jimmy and warren were kind of trading licks there. It was a smoking show and a great Other One.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Maiko (Maiko) on Tuesday, July 27, 2004 - 06:57 pm: Edit Post

I loved how Warren was right in Bobby's back pocket for the jam between China and Rider. He was just looking over his shoulder, letting Bobby take him for a little Meltdown ride . . . then Bobby Warren and Jimmy just HIT IT, and in slid the Rider. I liked it too, way more unpredictible than others I've heard at recent shows.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Cerb. (Cerberus) on Tuesday, July 27, 2004 - 08:53 pm: Edit Post

This show was without a doubt the best thing I have seen or heard since 89. After Brent checked out (to me) it just wasn't the same. There were some good times from fall 90 to summer 95 BUT, it wasn't the same for me.

This show was amazing!!! I thought the "Family Reunion" a few years back was amazing as well at the time (& it was!), BUT with Warren there now... Im 100% convinced that THIS lineup can do ANYTHING!

If they change it, there out of there minds! 3 changes in 3 years. I said it before & now Im fucking DEMANDING IT!

---> STOP FUCKING WITH THE LINEUP! YA GOT IT! THIS ONE REALLY WORKS!! IT CLICKS AGAIN! <---

I been going to Alpine for a L O N G time my friends. I love Alpine!! It is a bit hard to accept that my fav. Midwest venue is now part of the C.C. Inc. monopoly on the planet of music.
Shes an old venue. She NEEDS some repair. Those storm drains off to the side of the walks on the lawn were dangerous back in the early 80s & they still are. Bathrooms, exc, exc.

C.C. has the money to fix her up & make her shine again. WILL they do it is still the question. As far as I know, they have had ownership for a few years now & haven't done dick!
All ya can do is cross your fingers & hope I guess.

I flew in from DC for this & hooked up with my best of family & friends, which made this show just THAT much more special!

I haven't seen a bad Dead show at Alpine. But THIS show was the best the boys have sounded in that old venue since 89.
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The valley sounded awesome for the pre Tomorrow Never Knows for the opener of the second set!!
WWWWWWWWWWAaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!
WWWWWWWWWWAaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!
WWWWWWWWWWAaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!

Glad ya made it little brother! Happier to see you! First show in 12 years? That was one hell of a welcome back, if ya ask me! Tripping without the drugs... Crazy man, fucking crazy! Hope all works out at home man!!

I cant wait for Camden!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By John Klatt Sr. (Dakrzfkr) on Wednesday, July 28, 2004 - 03:59 am: Edit Post

Cerb...

your being happy,makes me happy too,
whats left to say, besides THANK YOU!

;)


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Tim (Tjw) on Wednesday, July 28, 2004 - 02:30 pm: Edit Post

>>>As far as I know, they have had ownership for a few years now & haven't done dick!

I guess you didn't notice the highway-sized billboard where the big tree once stood?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Angelique (Angelique) on Wednesday, July 28, 2004 - 06:07 pm: Edit Post

awww love seeing BOTH Cerb and Dak happy :-) that makes me happy. so glad you guys got to hang out, I know it was a highlight of the trip for Cerb.

sooooo, why don't you meet Cerb and I in Camden?! hee hee!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Chucky Werner (Chuckywerner) on Monday, August 02, 2004 - 11:06 pm: Edit Post

Great show.

Alpine has always rocked. The music was great! Plenty of room to dance. The pitch of the grass was a little steep, but that's Alpine. I had no problems with the sound on the lawn!

The scene wasn't like the old days - one night only - but still cool. Good weather. Easy to get in & out.

Anyone that says it wasn't great... wasn't there!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Big99 (Backonthebus) on Tuesday, August 03, 2004 - 09:17 am: Edit Post

Glad to hear such great reviews!

The "no bags" thing would be a nightmare for me. I tend to need layyers--easily get cold/hot, so usually bring long sleev shirt, leggingss, hat, maybe warmer top layer or raincoat of weather warrants. It sounds like Alpine is still practicing it's poor customer service. Too bad, cause it's really nice itself, just the people who run it suck.


Next time I go, I will wear 3 pairs of cargo pants, a raincoat, and as many items of clothes with pockets as I can, and bring in everything I need. Go ahead, man, search me. :-)