I wonder what they'll pull out tonight. With Jones Beach coming up I hope they do the usual: Play a lot of great stuff ,leaving those going to JB wondering what's left! And of course JB will be over the top.

i am hopeing for a fire on the mountain richard

Fire is due but Id rather mickey not sing it

Yee ha! Finally it's SHOW DAY!! Hoping for a high energy show to counter the reports of last night - to send Jersey off with a BANG!! Hope the weather holds up *yikes*. Peace!

Help>Slip>Franks tonight? It's our youngest's 1st show. At 6 months, she'll already be looking for that trilogy with her papa.

Anybody selling an extra for tonight?

let's see...
It's my only show of the summer. My touring days are long gone.
My only show last year blew chunks - sound problems, song selection, the works.
The babysitter bailed so wife can't go - I'll have to dump my extra at the venue.
It's supposed to storm tonight. I'm on the lawn.
SO...
The boys ARE going to pull off an awesome show tonight to make it all worthwhile.

Yee-Hah!!

Hi everyone - here's a fun question:

How was the Shakedown in the lot last night, and what's expected for tonight?

My mom has been hand making fun colored furry flip flops, and I've been telling her they'd sell on the lot. She's not a head and has never been to the lot, and is a little trepidatious. I'm hoping there was a nice big shakedown with lots of variety and minimal hassles. Did any of you get to see it?

Thanks! - and if you see her tonight, say hi!
-Jason

i cant wait till tonight i will be there in section 104 z seat 1 and 3 please stop by and say hi if u can find me my name is art

The heavy rain has started here in east/central PA. Looks like we have a good shot at a Rain Show tonight!

i hope it does not rain it will be so good and bad at the same time

This is my Birthday show!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!8-11!

Damn im in KY!

I need a miracle plane ticket!

ok, 2,my wife would kill bill if i went alone


nevermind see ya in charlotte>ATL

if it rains they might play some rain songs like looks like rain

doubtcful they'd repeat that one 2 nights in a row

it was super last night though

Joanie will sing tonight! WOOHOO...I've missed her so much this tour.

Joanie who?

who is joanie

Joan Osborne sang with the band last summer tour. She'll join them for a song or two tonight. You are in for a real treat. Wish I could be there.

how do u know this

she told me

how do you know that Joan will show up tonight? If so Peggy Oh was great last year and her Sugaree was also cool. That would be sweet with Warren and Joan doing Sugaree. It will however miss Rob's keyboards

how did she tell u

i dont think she will show up but if she does then i guess u were right

What time did Hunter start his set last night? Anyone know? Thanks.

>>What time did Hunter start his set last night? Anyone know? Thanks.





6:30 sharp

Yikes! Thanks for the info.

Shakedown or "The Valley Of The Unwashed" as my 15 year old jokingly called it,
is located in the western parking lot across the Garden State Parkway from the venue.
There were some nice things with a lot of thought and effort put into them and the usual no thought make a quick buck to stay on tour items as well.

I notice for a teenager who was making jokes about the vendors area he spent a aweful lot of time over there and did return with a nice glass bowl.

The Weather Channel and my PC's weather bug are both flashing severe thunderstorm warning the the NJ shore area. I had better keep the microphone stand low tonight so it doesn't act as a lightning rod

see you in the tapers pit,
John

thanks for the info john. much obliged!

(and hey, thanks for taping, too!)

LOL LOL
My mom is in a tiedye and having a blast. She's parked smack dab in the middle of Shakedown, between two tents, and "someone's home" LOL

She's got a table set up and lots of hand-made FlipFlops.

"Oh my god, look at that hair!" Great to hear from her. Wish her luck and love!

-J

I'll make a point of looking her up and saying hello.

I'll take her a sealed iced cold bottled water

got to hit the shower and get on the road for the 1/2 hour trip

me and "mushroom boy" again tonight

he went to one show last Saturday and now wants to finish the tour with them

tonight is his 4th show in 5 days,
John

PREDICTIONS FOR TONIGHT second night holmdel wed 8/11

Set 1

jam> minglewood>
alabamma getaway>
big boss man>
pride of cucamounga>
dupree's diamond>
it's all over now>
big river>
just a little light

headvote

set 2

@blackbird>
china cat>
wheel>
playin'>
only the strange>
help>slip
drumzpace>
china doll>
unbroken chain>
playin'jam>
slip>
rider>
franklin

organrap

e. desperado

Cheers John! and M-boy!

Have a great show, all.

i hope the rain holds of till the middle of the show

I saw that Hunter started at 6:30 and that the show ended at 11:30 sharp, but does anyone know what time The Dead came on stage?

Blowin' outa work shortly. Trying to hit the road around 4 and hope to make it in before the Dead start. It's all gonna depend on that Jersey traffic...

See y'all there!

>>>>does anyone know what time The Dead came on stage?

If remember correctly they came on at about 7:40

I think their definately going to play Help>Slip>Franklin`s tonight. My friend Mike`s going and I swear almost every show I bring him to they play that! hehe I`m thinking an Estimated Prophet, Playin, Music Never Stopped, maybe Fire only cause they played Scarlet last night, Unbroken Chain, Sugar Magnolia or Touch of Grey.....a man can dream! Should be great tonight they always save the best for last on these two show runs at PNC. See ya`ll there!!!

Jason man that is too cute! Go Mom !!!!!!!!

High Time>Box of Rain>Smokestack - Thunder rumbleing through the tri-state

looks like bad weather, they will probably rock out cause last night was mellow, enjoy !

yes...last night show was "soft"

Taperrob, How was the 1st set tonite??

CANCELLED SHOW!!!

They really canceled the show? It said Rain or Shine on my tix for last night. The weather is really bad here in Brooklyn.

Matty

Spoke to a friend at the show, gave me a few songs that he could remember (in no particular order)

Playin', LSD, Cassidy,

So, is it canceled, or did they play? Just wondering.

i hope they didnt cancel

why was the show cancelled -- weather?

People on DNC are saying the show is happening tonight
Unconfirmed set list thus far:

Set 1: Jam > Playin' > Birdsong > 8 Miles High, Cassidy > Tomorrow Never Knows > Self Defense > Minglewood > Lucy in the Sky.

Set 2 (so far): Peggy O (Bobby acoustic) Dear Mr. Fantasy

next song> St. Stephen (W/ Joan Osborne)

next song>He's Gone

The Dead PNC 8/11/04 Set 1 jam>playin>birdsong>8 miles high>cassidy, tomorrow never knows, self defense, minglewood, LSD


The Dead PNC 8/11/04 Set 2 Peggy-O (bob/acoustc), Dear Mr. Fantasy>St Stephen with Joan Osbourne> He's gone (w/joan)


via Fritz

The Dead PNC 8/11/04 Set 1
jam>playin>
birdsong>cassidy,Allthat we are (new tune),tomorrow never knows, self defense, minglewood, LSD


The Dead PNC 8/11/04 Set 2 Peggy-O (bob/acoustc), Dear Mr. Fantasy>St Stephen with Joan Osbourne> He's gone (w/joan)>Drums>Space(w/joan)

so far!

Double Beatles???? TNK & LSD?? Shiiiiiiiiiiiittttttttttttt

Where's Rob?

The Dead PNC 8/11/04 Set 1
jam>playin>
birdsong>
cassidy>
All that we are (new tune)
tomorrow never knows
self defense
minglewood
LSD


The Dead PNC 8/11/04 Set 2
Peggy-O (bob/acoustc)
Dear Mr. Fantasy>
St Stephen with Joan Osbourne>
He's gone(w/joan)>
Drums>Space(w/joan)>
China Doll (joan vocals)
Sugaree(warren vocals) (thank you's to Joan)
Birdsong

Kate
Where are you getting your updates from?

The Dead PNC 8/11/04 Set 1
jam>playin>
birdsong>
cassidy>
All that we are (new tune)
tomorrow never knows
self defense
minglewood
LSD


The Dead PNC 8/11/04 Set 2
Peggy-O (bob/acoustc)
Dear Mr. Fantasy>
St Stephen with Joan Osbourne>
He's gone(w/joan)>
Drums>Space(w/joan)>
China Doll (joan vocals)
Sugaree(warren vocals) (thank you's to Joan)
Birdsong>
cassidy reprise>
Touch of Grey
Donor rap-Phil
Headcount Rap-Bob

Encore: Ripple Bob acoustic

thanks to fritz for calling in the setlist after taperob got rained on!

man I am beat----i bid you good night

That'sa second set-a !

Thanks for the setlist and staying through the storm. Sounds like the show was great despite the rain.

The Dead PNC 8/11/04

Set 1:
Jam>
Playin' In The Band>
Birdsong>
Cassidy>
All That We Are
Tomorrow Never Knows
Self Defense
Minglewood Blues
Lucy In The Sky With Diamonds
Headcount Rap

Set 2:
@Peggy-O
Dear Mr. Fantasy>
^St Stephen>
^He's Gone>
Drums>^Space>
^China Doll
^Sugaree
Birdsong Reprise>
Cassidy Reprise>
Touch of Grey
Donor Rap
Headcount Rap

Encore:
@#Ripple


@=Bobby acoustic
^ w/Joan Osbourne
#=Phil vocal, no bass

thanks to Kate and Fritz for the list

Ah-ha, a set list that looks good on paper.

I am now anticipating the wonderfully diverse reviews that will follow,
to get an idea of whether the theory translated to reality.

Not even considering the inevitable set list comments,
this may be the most interesting show of the year as far as reviews go.
(it's quite entertaining, reading what all you folks have to say)

Personally, I didn't mind the "St. Stephen" or "He's Gone" at all last year with Joan.
(then again, I liked "Days Between with her too, so take that into account)

First set Beatles double-play tonight sort of bookends
the second set Beatles double-play from Red Rocks. Cool.

All I can say is that I love Joan. She took the wireless mic out and trotted the whole front of the stage while singing the third verse of Sugaree. She is able to look so supremely confident and charismatic while remaining completely unpretentious, something so many entertainers struggle with doing. She was so good tonight that some guy on the lawn screamed, strangely enough, "I want to have your babies!" I really miss her voice and moves on the stage and I think it's high time they bring her back. She doesn't get in the way and she only adds to the experience.

hey cal c ... i too really liked joan on he's gone & days between last year (got em both 9/19/03 at shoreline) ... hopefully there will be SOME waterproof tapers (or the soundboards, if nothing else) to commemorate tonight.

in case anybody's interested: joan & warren overlapped in 2/03 at the warfield winter jam thang, & did a duet on hard to handle ...

Highlights: Only real first set highlights were a pretty good Minglewood and then a very good LSD. Second set had a killer Dear Mr.Fantasy - Warren crushed it. Then Joan came out for an nice St. Stephen. The he's gone was pretty sweet but it wasn't till China Doll that Joan really showed her stuff. It was beautiful - her voice is truly amazing. And it was interesting to hear Joan sing China Doll after I caught Warren singing it in Philly at his Acoustic show on Monday. Both versions were great! Sugaree was very special. Warren started off on vocals and then he and Joan traded verses the rest of the way. At one point she grabbed the mic and strolled over to Warren and kinda flirted with him for a while. She would sing a melody and Warren would mimic her with his guitar. It was awesome! Then she made her way to the front of the stage and nailed the rest of the tune - it was easily the highlight of the show! Nice night all around - even though the rain kinda killed the whole lot scene. Thanks for stopping by Joanie!!

Just got in from the show, will write more tomorrow but wanted to make a few comments:

1. The portion of the show with Joan Osbourne was excellent. The boyz really lost out by letting her go. Out of the summer shows that I have heard so far, this portion had the spark that has been missing:
* China Doll was sublime. Almost as good as the version last year in Camden with Osby on sax.
* Sugaree had Joan and Warren alternating verses. They then stood side by side - engaging in a call and response between the voice and guitar that reached a nice crescendo. Well played!

2. Warren shone on Dear Mr Fantasy.

3. Please turn Jimmy up!

4. What's with Weir?
* Bob has always been flakey with lyrics - still don't understand how he always nailed Desolation Row but flubbed Truckin' on a regular basis - but in 'he's gone' he ommitted the 'smile, smile. smile' line both times it came around. Why not take a peak at the teleprompter??
He came in too early on one of the verses, at which point Phil dropped his hands and stared at the ground. The vocal transition back to Cassidy seemed to catch everyone else by surprise.
* Warren strapped on an electric 12 string during the first set. I assume that he was going to play 8 Miles High when Bobby jumped into Minglewood?!?. Warren had to shuffle guitars during the intro. BW missed the queue on the Tea right here line.
* The tone of Bob's guitar is all treble. I am not sure how it sounded on the field but I was in the 15th row and it became very hard to listen to after awhile.

4. The Sandwich Gimmick. I have engaged several times in a friendly debate over the musicality of the Playin>UJB>Dew>UJB>Playin medley's popular at the tail end of 73. I have always enjoyed these while my buddy dismisses these as contrived. Tonight, I finally understood his point. The Bird Song Reprise, starting from a dead stop after Sugaree, and the aforementioned transition back into Cassidy were throwaways that most people in my section saw coming during the set break. I think that I would have liked the first set better if they had just completed the songs and moved on instead of abandoning a jam to ateempt to exhume later in the show.

5. Out of the Mickey sung songs, Self Defense really gets the band playing hard. Good job.

All in all, a decent way to spend a Wed night. The band is still rough and Rob and Joan are missed.

He's Gone

Nice call by Jason. Tonight was fun. Uninspiring, but fun.

rob great pics

Yeah Jason..you are on fire man..double whammy..Mom on Shakedown and Joan DID sing a few songs..

Pretty good show tonight, much better than last night's. Might have called it best I've seen this tour had not the personal logistics been so bad. Traffic was horrendous, got a late start from work, ended up missing beginning of Playing in the Band.

Decent Bird Song / Cassidy, but I still had really settled down. Rain was so hard that everybody was soaked jammed into the 300s, which were covered with numerous puddles. Really disappointed with the venue, except for the angle from top to bottom which provides good sight lines, and the narrowness which makes the light show work really well. Most disgusting bathrooms I've ever seen, this place should really invest in some PortaJohns.

And how about opening up more gates at showtime, so we don't have to stand in line?

And how about putting the ketchup situation together? 6.50 for a chicken sandwich and they treat us like animals.

Back to the music.

Real highlights for me were TNK and Lucy. I think Bobby reversed the lyrics in TNK, but got almost all 6 verses right. Q does it nicer, with a 2nd intense jam and Warren groaning out the last verse nicely. Nonetheless, always a treat, and tonight was no exception.

2nd set started very well, acoustic Peggy-o (again at PNC). Not as nice as last year when Phil, Joan, and Bob all took turn, but very well done nonetheless. Outstanding Mr. Fantasy followed that, almost certainly the best played tune of the night > a Smokin' St Stephen. Band was ready to really let loose at this point, but then it sort of fell apart. Transition to He's Gone was a little stilted, especially since we were clearly ready to head towards WTB and the 11.

Nonetheless, I'm always ready for He's Gone, so I was pretty let down when Bobby turned it into a train wreck. I don't usually go in for Bobby bashing, but I just need to vent a little, so pardon me.

1) Left out Steam Locomotive part the first time.

2) Jumped his cue for the 2nd verse, leaving the band 2 beats behind, then repeated the "Like I told you" instead of the "Cat on A Tin Roof".
(Hence, no "smile smile smile".)

3) Then jumped his cue again, at which point Phil looked a little dismayed.

4) Bobby appeared to catch on when doing his 3rd "Steal Your Face" that he had missed a verse.
Think he may have even missed a 4th cue here.

Too bad, Jimmy had some tasty licks lost in the mess.

But, that's the way it goes. Bob is the man, and has delivered thousands of songs to me without error over the years.


Thanks to all for posting, it's nice to have a hobby.

More on the rest of the show later.

p.s. Bobby redeemed himself with a fine Touch of Grey, although he did reverse the "little love" and "little grace" sections. These were all Jerry's to sing after all.

Second set was awesome. Why did they get rid of Joan???

All That We Are was after Bird Song. Just a correction...

Had a great time tonight. Solid show. I really enjoyed the first set alot. My favorite first set of the tour. Second set was a lot of fun. Joan added alot of energy and was a great asset to the vibe. Loved it. I'm glad tonight was my last show of the run. Indeed, we will survive!

Sean

is joan participating in the remaining nights?

i'd like to see that as well as baracco make an
appearance or two at jones!

jason,
are you and your mom going to be at j. beach?
sounds like you two had a blast...

i don't think anyone worked any too hard tonight...i enjoyed the opening...it was a great start...playin'>bird>cassidy...and "all that we are" is an ok song...but the set never really picked up any energy...as much as i love "tomorrow never knows" it just seemed uninspired...and self defense does't even seem like a dead tune at all...the tinny sound of bob's guitar...coupled with that buzz that jeff makes...it takes psychodelic and makes it techno

weir screwed up the rest of the set by cutting "8 miles high" and blowing into minglewood after warren already had the twelve string on...as a matter of fact i think he put it on again after mingle...but got the kibosh from somewhere that song was out...the lucy that then followed just seemed like an orphan to end the worst set i've seen this tour...bobby's sense of continuity just plain lets me down

the whole first set was just wrote and uninspired...great songs like "lucy and tomorrow never knows"...they just pail in comparison to plq versions

this band seems hollow...i hope there's a plan to improve somehow...if they tour again

the 2nd set opened with a nice acoustic peggy-o...then for "fantasy>stephen>he's gone" i was in the stage wing...my first time on stage...i expected a different sound...it was so quiet...no vocals in the monitors...i can't really comment much on this set because of this new perspective...drumz came and went with little excitement...the space into china doll was very sweet...then a long sugaree with joan...which was probably much better than i thought from back stage...because you really can't hear the vocals at all back there...or the mix...that really was a surprise to me...also the set list said that joan would sing ruben next but it got cut

i went back out front for the bird>cassidy>touch...it was a rather weak finish...but i guess parr for this show...ripple encore...nothing special

i can tell i'm seeing too many shows when i review like this...this was my 6th show this tour...on to jones beach

joan sure don't look pregnant to me, unless she
popped one out overnite. in fact she looks like she slimmed down a bit ? I for one enjoyed the joan factor. I might have to catch another show yet this tour.

Just got home - just gotta vent and say this was the most frustrating and disappointing show I've seen in a long while - starting out with such awesome promise in the 1st set then Joan comes out and totally MURDERS the 2nd set - not that I really hated her that much last year but at this show she just caused all the jamming momentum to get bogged down in a cobweb of the cheeziest swiss cheeze this oldtimer has ever witnessed. Where's Gunner when you need him? I kinda don't blame Joan - why did the level of intensity and improvisation have to completely disappear when she was there? And this after the previous 2 shows in a row were pretty much 2-first-set-no-jam-short-shallow-rockin-shows. And the 5 Red Rocks shows were SO FREAKIN' AWESOME - WHAT THE FUCK HAPPENED? - IS THIS STILL THE SAME FUCKIN' BAND????? This is one vastly disappointed mofo signing off . . .

Hey all, another show at the PNC. Bob opened up with Playin and messed up the very first verse....lol. Still they jammed it so all was forgiven. A short jam lead into the strains of Birdsong which they cut short. At one point Phil dropped his hand and stopped playing. Bob looked at him quick but Phil did not start playing again for about one minute. I think he was frustrated. This band seems to have trouble with extended jamming. After seeing seven shows now, there is no doubt that they are having trouble in between lyrics. They jam some tunes but it is few and far between. Often the jams just wind down and stop. FOr me this is a serious problem. Anyways they went into Cassidy which they also cut short and I knew they would be back later and the whole thing reminded me of Jones BEach last year where they did the same thing in the first show. Anyways other set highlights included TNK which was faster paced then usual I thought and it was real good. Minglewood was also jammed for some time and, even after all these years, Bob can still rip through it. Warren finished with a fine LSD which had a nice little jam to end it seeing how it was a set ender. Warren also had some great guitar work during this song as Jimmy made way for him. I will mention that as I watched Phil tonight, he seemed frustrated a few times. Early on he stopped playing. Then Bob switched guitars and Warren did too, and then both Bob and Warren switched back. Then after this Bob walked over to Warren and Bob, Warren, and Jimmy had a brief meeting during the first set. While all this was going on, Phil was basically standing there watching the whole thing and I don't think he was too happy. Or maybe he was bored. Did anyone else notice Phil tonight? Well, Peggy-O was odd since some people were not ready on stage. Warren's guitar man was on stage with Warren during the first minutes of the song. Something was wrong with Warren's tele prompter it seems. Dear Mr. Fantasy rocked and Warren and Jimmy were ripping. This may have been the highlight of the night for me. I needed more room quickly to take this one in and I moved into the aisle where security moved me around all night like cattle. Anyways, after DMF, a women strolled out and there's joan. O.K., St. Stephen. Well I was glad I headed for the aisle. It jammed but again the jamming was truncated. He's Gone was messed up lyrically and basically the guys just ended it to get off stage. I will say that Warren tried to save it lyrically at the end with some nice improv humming. Anyways, China was decent but I was disappointed that Warren did not sing it. Same with Sugaree though it was well played. At one point Joan strolled over to Warren and put her arm around him which he was not expecting. He looked a little startled...lol. He gave her the floor and she asked again and he gave it to her. She then moved to the front of the stage in front of the band to finish off the rest of Sugaree. Then the Birdsong and Cassidy which was no surpise. Neither one with extended jamming which I think is not possible with these guys, no offense. The set ending of TOG was text book and now I'm starting to think of PLQ, Ratdog, and DSO....peace.

Hot off the road from PNC, both nights, everyone else has chimed in but here’s my piece. The venue is interesting, really changed my view of Jersey shows. I have waaay too many memories of meadowlands security to walk into a jersey show feeling kind, but I knew things were gonna be different when I hit shakedown and saw two jersey troopers (state boys nonetheless) casually chatting it up with a cat who had a table full of glass that he was selling. No hassles at all, just a really chill shakedown area. The venue itself is strange, practically shouts clear channel, just really bad feel. The acoustics were terrible, don’t know if it was the cement amphitheatre roof on the Pavilion, or the mix, but whatever it was, it made for a super murky sound, could barely hear the keys both nights-unlike red rox where they were clear as bells. Speaking of pavilions, WTF is going on when pavilion seats are sold that are NOT covered and leave the sitters open to the rain, Jesus. Anyhow, onto the show.
Night one, absolutely weak, what the hell is going on after space, come on man, I wanna move, I wanna groove, not go to fucking sleep!!!! 1st night just a throwaway, worse than Montage, at least that had potential (and a really bitching Aiko). This one is just lame. Second set started with great hope, scarlet into doing that rag, my personal song of the night. Generally, I’m not a big West LA guy, but Warren pulls it off real smooth, what’s with all the Warren hating, boy do these guys need him. Passenger is hot, hot hot, then off into space after which Bob just slaughters the show. They come out of days between (why not play slow jerry tunes, maybe a wharf rat, its practically his death day, at least acknowledge it!!!), bob moves into Throwing stones, and the guy behind me says, “ Bobby could fuck up a wet dream.” And its just soooo true that I die laughing, the only thing that saves my night. Make a quick escape from the parking lot and head to my hotel in Lakewood, worldwide headquarters of the Hasidic Jewish. All I see is black coats and those big Amish looking hats, but they’re nice, so it’s all good.
Day 2, wake up early, hit the Jersey shore, do amusement parks, roller coaters, get a sunburn, then off to the show, gotta love it, beach and tour in the same day. Catch up with the famous Billy Sunday ion the way, he’s got a laminate and I’m real happy for him, then Showtime in the chilly rain. First set just the beast, I’m never a playing man; it wanders a bit too much for my taste (blasphemy, yeah, yeah I know, I’m a heretic), but they do a credible job, then really get going with birdsong and cassidy, two tunes that I always love. We get jacked out of our purloined seats then, but TNK is good and self-defense is just pounding. I personally think that there should be federal laws preventing either mickey or phil from singing(in the interest of the public safety, of course), but the chops are so upbeat, the crowd really gets into it, then an out of nowhere LSD and the set is down. Set break is an hour (!!), play an hour, rest an hour, god it sucks getting old, but whatever they did on break, they need to do a lot more of it. Acoustic Peggy-o is cool, but the DMF is outta this freaking world, Warren just kills it dead, might be the best song I’ve seen yet this tour, then outta the sonic regions of outer space comes the Steven and the crowd goes absolutely nuts, pure unbridled energy, slightly marred by a neighbors altercation with a “strike force” security guard. What the hell, strike force, its like something out of a comic book…whatever. The He’s gone is sweet, much thinking of jerry, and yeah, bob blows the lyrics hard, I try to remember that he’s only done this song maybe 500,000 times, why should he know em. Either way, its really nice and chill, then into drumz and a good vicious space, followed by Joan, who solos CD, then saves an otherwise ho-hum sugaree that is way outta place in set 2, after which Bob, staying true to last nights dictum whips out Touch and I’m heading for the gates.
An interesting show, much up, a little down, beats the snot out of the night before. 2 Points are going through my head most of the night. One, a point someone made re the montage show and that is that we are lucky to have a band to see at all, hell look at Phish, a mere 15 years and they’re cashing it in. They are an entirely different band with warren in it and are starting to pull together as a cohesive whole and finally (for better or worse) pull away from Jerry’s shadow and develop their own identity and feel. A little work on set lists would be nice though. It is about remaining positive, at least for me and trying to find those spots where it just becomes magic; I don’t know if I’ll ever see a whole show where it all comes together again, or even a set, but there are those minutes, listening to he’s gone and I’m back at the lawn in Merriweather in like 83 and its all sooo good and everything is just right. It was a magic day, but I’m glad to be home. Phish manana, then nissan, then raleigh and maybe points south. enjoy
Ps, whats with the setlists, so much for sponaneity.

>>>joan sure don't look pregnant to me,

joan is most definately pregnent...i saw her up close...got to be 6 months

"she took the wireless mic out and trotted the whole front of the stage while singing the third verse of sugaree"

Something told me not to go to this show and now I know what it was. Oy vey...

Did she dry hump phil this time?

Show last night was pretty good. Allthough I was telling my buddy they need to hang a large sand bag above Weir on the stage and have it ready to drop and take him out on command. He really murdered that He's Gone last night. It just wasn't right. Not to bash Bobby, but he needs to limit his conducting and hand signals during sets. He'd raise his arm during certain jams last night as if he was gonna take a lead or go into something else, and the whole band would drop out waiting for something that never came? Weir just seemed a little shot out in general. That acoustic Peggy-O was his highlight for the show if you ask me. Awesome.

Warren definitely needs to be singing more as shown by his soulful additions on most every song last night. Esp. on the LSD, Fantasy and Sugaree. Goosebumps a plenty when he would sing leads. He should take the verses on He's Gone for sure. I also felt Jerry more when Phil would sing Birsong with PLQ then I did with Weir last night.

Big props to Joan for the China Doll and esp. the Sugaree. Some good shit right there.

All in all a good show and my 6 month olds first. She was rocking out up to the Cassidy in the 1st then slept thru the Touch, only to wake up with renewed energy. Love you Hailey.

I wasn't too big a Joan fan last year, but last night I thought Joan was very good and I enjoyed her appearance. I was second row directly in front of Phil and Joan, and noted to myself that she did indeed look pregnant. If not, than she really is just getting fat. I hope it's the former and wish her well. I also noticed Phil crossing something off his setlist just before the second set. Being where I was, I was fortunate enough to see the setlist after the show ended...the guy in front of me got it. First of all, 8 Miles High was not on it. Secondly, they originally planned to play Rueben & Cerise in between China Doll and Sugaree. That was the the song Phil had crossed off.
Finally, during that very playful, flirty, and very enjoyable interplay between Warren and Joan on Sugaree, Phil was eating it up. He was smiling and laughing the entire time and just loving it. As was I.

Seeeeeya all at Jones Beach. For those of you making the Phish detour, Have a blast! For those of you going to the beach, bring your rain gear. Should be a fun time.

I've got a totally upbeat perspective on all this. Up on the lawn, in the rain (but prepared, in goretex and a Sears poncho), center next to the tapers, the sound was actually pretty good. I got a lot of Warren and Jimmy jamming moments, even Chiementi, and going in, I was looking for moments. I've gotten to be a much easier grader as I've gotten grayer, and only get to see one show per tour anymore. Thought the 1st set was nicely jammed out. Playin>Birdsong.Cassidy, then a chance to catch my breath. Loved Tomorrow Never Knows. Self Defense was funky, and I couldn't hear Mickey singing well enough for him to bother me.
Yeah, Bobstar sure did butcher some lyrics, but it's almost to be expected sometimes. A mind is a terrible thing to lose.
Who is Jason, and where does he get his information? When I saw his pre-show post about Joan, I started laughing, thinking about the havoc that would cause on this board, and I figured it was a gag in order to get a reaction. Then, here we are going into St. Stephen (after Warren just absolutely *killed* DMF), and "heeeerrrrress's Joannie!" I've always enjoyed her singing prior to last year, and I REALLY enjoyed her last night, even her "Yoko moments" during Space. China Doll and Sugaree were sweet. When I heard the opening strains of Touch, I started to groan, but then, WTF, you can't have everything. The Ripple encore was a nice choice, and a decent rendition to take me happily out to the lot and onward home.
I met a few nice folks along the way, some of whom gave me shelter from the storm - I had really wanted to hear Hunter, but it was raining too hard to get out from under their tarp. All in all, a very enjoyable night that could have turned out very differently without some help from my friends, known and unknown.
Enjoy what we've got now. It isn't what we had, but it sure can be fun if only we let it happen.

Made the Phish detour at Mansfield. Amazing Amazing energy at the supposed end of their era, pretty emotional really-my first and last Phish show! WAY overcrowded-2 1/2 hour gettin out of Tweeter parking lot.

See ya at the back to back tropical storm beach shows!!!

Double whammy is right! Downloading the show right now, can't wait to hear it.

My mom sold 4 pair and had a blast meeting people. But no, I don't think she'll be at jones beach. Maybe next summer she'll come out again! LOL

Thanks for your vibes folks, and for the pictures, setlist, and reviews. Rock and Roll

Hey Now Jason,

I went and found your Mom and her friend to say hello.

I couldn't stay too long as I told her:
"I have a 15 year old at the truck all by himself and I remember what I was doing at these things when I was 15 years old".

(I just did the math - that was 33 years ago, ouch!)

It was pretty funny seeing them sitting in the "Valley of the Unwashed"

cheers,
John

last nights show was so awsome i never seen a show like that it was the best one i have seen so far really good engery who cares if they cant sing they really can jam out u just have to find your grove and go with it

last show of the three i pissed money on this tour. im glad im OFF THE BUS again, had a good time riding it though for a few brief ones there...great time seeing the same ole!...but lets be real here, this stuff is getting really expensive. and personally im really looking foward to getting back into a couple of festivals in the next few weeks and family, less hustle and bustle.

this show did not blow as hard as the previous night. musically. it was better structured and had allot more jamming. i regret taking a piss break as tomorrow never knows was getting dialed in, i love that song and i missed half of it. self defense shouldnt even be a song. Minglewood was cool, T-for new jersey!..LSD was great. peggy-o was sung by bob...i liked it better when phil took a verse last year.the joan set was alright. im not a fan of joan, and im not a basher either...hell, i was more excited they were playing He's Gone...and pretty much completely didnt even register Joan and all the drama surrounding her. she had a nice voice, whatever...sugaree though it was the old joan thing though with her taking the front of the stage, yadda, yadda, who cares!

too many reprises to close it all. touch of grey rocked!..i thought anyway. ripple was nice.

HIGHLIGHT OF THE NIGHT:

-JILL LOVES PHIL! nice seeing you again bud. dont be such a stranger.

John, you are the man! My mom was very pleased to meet you. She relayed your exact quote as well, with a good laugh!

Thanks again,
J

Glad you got a great show.

>>starting out with such awesome promise in the 1st set then Joan comes out and totally MURDERS the 2nd set <<

I stopped at this. Were you listening? I have a feeling you were not. A Dead show is about hearing beautiful music, not solely mindless jamming. Joan was fantastic last night.

Since the reincarnation of GD into The Other Ones and The Dead, I have been to about 20 shows (not including PLQ) and I have never seen a better show than last night. From the opening jam, it was evident that this band had it going after the clunker from the night before.

Great jams, great setlist, TWO Beatles tunes, the return of Joan and great atmosphere.

Yeah, there were plenty of missed vocals (aren't there always?), there were some jams abruptly cut off and there is the "Joan Factor" to many of the diehards.

That being said, this is a different band and rather than harping on the negative, I choose to enjoy the live music and the experience. The soul which Joan adds to Sugaree is truly outstanding. Her little playful one on one with Warren was just pure fun.

I think they will be hard pressed to top last night when I go to Jones Beach on Friday/Saturday.

Peace

>>>First of all, 8 Miles High was not on it.

i saw several set lists posted back stage...they read as follows

set 1
playin'
bird song
cassidy
all that we are
tomorrow never knows
self defense
8 miles high...cut by bobby in motion for minglewood
lucy in the sky
mingelwood

set 2
fennerio (not peggy-o)
dear mr fantasy
st stephen
he's gone
drums & stuff
china doll
sugaree
rueben and cerise...never played
bird song
cassidy
touch of grey

no encore on set list

I believe the band refers to Peggy-o as Fennario

hey mack...it was fun meeting you and jen...and text messing during the show...you're a great guy...you add so much music to the zone...peace bro...have a great time the rest of the summer

The band stepped up last night to give us a good show. We put in the effort to make it through the rain, and they rewarded us.

Sugaree and Ripple sure are getting some heavy rotation this summer.

Robert Hunter, PNC Arts Center, NJ 8/11/04

Setlist:
Deal
Silvio
Serafina Magalina
Mission In The Rain
Wind Blows High
Tiger Rose
Loser
Cruel White Water
Eulalie
Ripple
Boys In The Barroom

Great show last night. probably my favorite of the 6 I saw so far (actually maybe I liked bonnaroo more). Mr. Fantasy was off the charts. when Joan came out I was seriously stoked. I was so glad to see her. china doll was nice and sugaree was just awesome. I really wish Phil was singing more on this tour, bob just sounds like shit on many songs, IMO. bird song should be sung by phil period. anyhow, I danced my ass off again last night. I am in world of hurt today at work. too much partying. sure has been a fun couple of weeks though!

Jimmy Herring had quite a nite!! The guitar duets were lovely!I think Bobby's lost in the mix along with the piano player( why dump Rob when u cant hear this guy anyway-I think the challenge of the piano seat is to find your way into the mix-Brent, Bruce, and Keith knew how)
JOAN OSBORNE- PLEASE JOIN THIS BAND FOREVER!! Joan's take on China Doll was the most thrilling Dead music I've heard in a lonnnng time. You can really dig what an exquisite ensemble they r when u finally have a vocalist who can sing on par with the instrumentalists!! Also-she had more fun onstage than anybody in the Dead has had since-
I dont know when.

I joined this discussion group today just so I could tell somebody.Let's all chip in and pay whoever we got to- to get her in as a full time member-then she could sing all the songs!!

You do not remeber Donna God(forbid it never happen again)chaux - yeah Joan is Ok on cetain songs but sing them all get a grip

Very interesting Hunter set - but whats with the boys pulling out tunes Hunter played earlier in the night - two nights in a row ?

Much better show last nite,Warren and Joan trading off on sugaree was AWESOME! did anyone catch a plastic bottle (water or beer) thrown at warren during mr.fantasy, he shrugged it off nicely as his roadies mopped up with towels,it was a fantastic DMF.I think bobby's whiskers get stuck together and he cant open his mouth in time to sing the words SHAVE IT OFF!!! 1 other thing CLEAR CHANNEL U CAN SUCK MY ASS!!!!

Jonathan Leal..first time posting..Welcome and BTW..there is "another" deadhead here with that same last name..so ditch it man..

Ha..Ha..Just another asshole zoner here..shoveling out some poop..

Lovc this thread..

Don't tell me these phans ain't got no heart..

Wish they played that R&C - that would have been nuts after the Sugaree.

Ignoring the Playin' reprise in Cleveland on 7/28, the Dead went 10 shows without playing Playin' in the Band. I think this is ironic since Playin' has been one of the most overplayed tunes the Grateful Dead, Other Ones, or Dead have ever played. Anybody know the last time they've gone 10 or more shows without playing this song? I don't have my Deadbase handy at work.

Maybe they cut R&C because the set was running long. They just made the 11:30 curfew as it was.

let me be one of the few, if only, to say i liked tuesday better than last night.

had fun last night cos of the company i was keeping way more than the music, & agree w/ ss that joan killed the jamming & potential for anymore phil, ie; mountains, unbroken, terrapin~(if he even sings it anymore)

she did however emotionally charge the china doll in a way i previously thought unpossible. she seems pregnant just from her glow & more of radiant womanliness vibe than her usual pedestrian ho-hum tits-n-ass vibe. the moon went into cancer yesterday, &, w/ her being one, perhaps she was feeling in her element, which also may have helped.

2 questions about PNC shows:

How was the new song on the 1st night?
how were the birdsong/birdsong reprise and cassidy jams? birdsong seems like a song that hasn't really taken off with TD the way it used to, so just wondering how it was played last night.

Joan puts too much vamp into tunes like Sugaree and China Doll. I feel like I'm seeing "The Dead - The Musical" at the Barrymore Theatre in 2008.

They probably cut R&C because the setbreak was at least 45 minutes long after starting the show some 25 minutes later than the previous night.

>she did however emotionally charge the china doll in a way i previously thought unpossible.

Ralph Wiggums: "Me fail English? That's unpossible."

I was at the Tuesday night PNC and have to say the Come Together was sweeeeet. Now I have not caught as many shows on this tour as others so I guess I'm not as jaded but I would still rather be at a show dancing to "clunkers" then reading about the "clunkers" from home. I will be loading up the Ark with 2 sets of 22 various forms of animals tomorrow along with my 8 year old daughter and heading to the beach. See you all there...

The Sugaree shook last night. Probably the high point of the show (although I was WAY in the back for Mr. Fantasy and the sound was sparse and chatter was active). But this had nothing to do with Joanie and everything to do with Phil, Warren and Billy.

Joan sang half the verses of Sugaree and it was awesome.

another smoker rivaling that saturday camden MONSTER

they are indeed ALIVE!!!!!!

this show had it all, a joan sit in the boys swaggering all over the stage, and bobby preenin like a peacock

i love that swagger joan brings to the band

and yes folks, read the setlist

it was THAT GOOD, everything it should be and as i said last nite, with the rain streamin down my face while i splashed thru the mud grinnin from ear to ear "THIS IS WHY WE DO THIS"

lookin fwd to standin out in the pourin rain at jones

woooohooooo!!!!

(off day is bbq-tiger woods golf on the ps2-BLOODY MARYS!!!!!!)

As i saw some zoners last night back at the car in the lot, they were all a-glow and asked if i had had a wonderful show too.

I had to be honest and say that for me, the show didn't flow. Jill looked at me and said, "Oh, yer gonna go public with that", because usually when i don't have an amazing time at the show i keep it to myself (unless asked). Shows
are so subjective, after all!

The first set was real nice, but the second set just kept falling short for me. I'd be in there, letting go and following the rythyms and flow, and riding the wave until- BLAM- time after time, the cresendos just petered out, bwah bwah bwah.... Got to the point where i felt like my emotions were being toyed with!

I loved Joan before the Dead were a twinkle in her eye- I even bought her CD several years ago. But for some reason, I find her presence on the stage with the Dead distracting. If she was going to just sing one song with them, well, cool. But the band seemed to struggle to adjust to her addition to the point where the rythyms, lyrics, harmony lines, and entrance points just
became awkward and BAD!

I do need to say that part of my reaction may be colored by the space i was in.

A good zoner friend joined Jilly and I (during the break) who had just buried one of his very best friends, a magical buddy,that very day. He was so sad, and needed to tell the story. His friend had been killed while riding his bike by a drunk driver, and was left at the scene... His grieving took precedence over total focus on the show, and so I was distracted. Nonetheless, I found this show to be the weakest of any of the shows, and I am surprised to find myself agreeing with Sideshow Bob's assessment.

I'm usually so happy just to be there that I can focus on the great parts, but I found the 2nd set lackluster and plain bad..(with exceptional moments, like the duet with Warren, in Sugaree) of course!)

<and yes folks, read the setlist

it was THAT GOOD<

Amazing how different opinions can be. After looking at the 1st set's list, my thought would be "that is a really bad set, unless they just played out of their heads." As weak as I thought Tuesday night was, I assumed that last night would just smoke. I was all worried that I'd wake up and see this epic setlist, knowing I missed the big one. But no. My buddy who went with me tuesday emailed me this morning to say "that looks way worse than tuesday" and I couldn't agree more. My guess is that because they've only played about 4 really great songs in the last 2 nights combined, that Jones Beach will be one of those ridiculous nights where every choice is a monster. At least, I hope so for everyone that's going. It seems like this tour was picking up such steam, then they popped the balloon at PNC. Oh well, it's still about the most fun thing going...


As far as Joan, I'm very bummed to have missed her. I saw 3 shows last summer - SPAC, Hartford, Great Woods - and her China Doll at Great Woods was by far the best music I heard. She is awesome. I think they needed Warren more than her, but I thought she was fantastic.

>>>>>> and I am surprised to find myself agreeing with Sideshow Bob's assessment.

Uh, oh, it's just one small step on the slippery slope down to the "dark side"!!!!!

>>>>>> how were the birdsong/birdsong reprise and cassidy jams?

After all the Joan cheez, I really just wanted them to finish with Round & Round/Lovelight (with Joan of course!) so I could just continue sitting there mocking it. The fact that they actually went back to serious music just cheezed me off even more . . .

As for how it was, don't bother - instead check out the Birdsong/Cassidy reprise from last summer's Jones Beach Sat show - MUCH better and more jammed out (and with JOAN!!!)

>>>>>> Jones Beach will be one of those ridiculous nights where every choice is a monster.

Yeah, we get to look forward to this monster Bobcheez (in the rain no doubt):

'Sailor/'Saint
Round & Round
Standing on the Moon
and probably Stella Blew again . . .

all you joan haters are tweaked , crawl back to your shacks and and relive your glory days with a dicks pick{ half of wich are weak}or better yet go stick your head up your asses. things change, sometimes for better sometimes for worse but atleast the boys are moving on. jerry left us.get over it. its not the grateful dead anymore you morons.

so specifically which 16 dp's are the weak ones?

OK, I've got a '74 DP w/screaming banshee Donna, but I need to know how to get my head up there - the hole is awfully small!

I love reading these reviews! Deadheads are so opinionated it's almost funny.

I wonder if the band sits back and reads the board and reviews us...

*Damn ~ Tuesday the Zone was outta hand, did you read what Althea wrote???!!!!

No maaan, it was lackluster to me

I don't know what you're talking about, Sideshow was fucking on it dude!*


You guys please keep being who you are!!!!!

Daydream, that is the funniest friggin' thing I have read here since...ever! I bet they do!

When I first met my wife 10 years ago, it was just after she got back from the 2nd Highgate show. We were in a bar, bonding as fellow deadheads, and the first thing out of my mouth was "I heard Highgate really sucked this year, were you bummed?" Of course, NO, she loved it, along with probably 60,000 of the 70,000 people that were there. She loves to tell the story of what an arrogant fuckin deadhead snob I was. Probably still am. And that's ok. It's a big tent, with room for us all.

What never ceases to amaze me is how offended some people get that some of us are more critcal of the music. And more importantly, they don't seem to understand that we enjoy the scene, the dancing, the people, the vibe, the love, and yes, even the music when it's fucking horrible - JUST AS MUCH AS THEY DO. If you go to a bunch of shows on a tour, one of them is going to be the worst one. Why are we supposed to pretend that the bad ones aren't bad? Yes, I know that there are a million bands out there that suck a million times worse than the boyz on a bad night. But why can't I bitch about the fact that this band could be so much better, based on the fact that I've seen it happen?

Then you get the fucknuts that think we're bitching because we're comparing it to the old days, and it will NEVER be as good as the old days. Well that may be true for some folks, but here's some news for ya: I bet I'm not the only one out there that has no problem admitting that PLQ is *better* than the real GD were in the time that a huge number of us around here saw them - the 80's forward. I bitch about these guys sucking not because I'm trying to compare them to the old days which they can never match, but because I know all these musicians and know for absolute certain that they can match and surpass what I saw from the GD. They're all clean, sober, healthy, and presumably better musicians because they've had that much more experience. I expect them to get back where they used to, not because I miss where they used to go, but because I've seen all these guys (well, maybe except for Bobby) take the music as high or higher SINCE Jerry died. And if they have an off night (or two, as the last 2 nights indicate), I have fun talking about it, but it doesn't mean for a second that I love it all any less, or that I won't go back again as soon as I can hoping for a bigger night. It's really the same as it ever was...

>>>>>>> I wonder if the band sits back and reads the board and reviews us

>>>>>>> I've seen all these guys (well, maybe except for Bobby) take the music as high or higher SINCE Jerry died.

I gotta believe the rest of the band keeps the Philzone's existence a secret from Bobby . . .

>>>cheeziest swiss cheeze this oldtimer has ever witnessed.

A subtle China Doll, nicely done by Joan, beautiful guitar and decent backing vocals by the guys - is cheese?

Warren and Joan - playing off each other - is cheese?

Trying some vocals during space is cheese? (cheese in my opinion, is the same drums/space for 25 years that happened.)

Excellent backing vocals during S. Stephen -cheese?

Sugaree - ok - maybe cheese - but she worked the crowd and the stage. After seeing Bobby's mug for 3 weeks, I was happy to see a change for 1 song.

joan got the biggest ovation in the 4 shows I saw in 2003 and the 4 I've seen thus far in 2004 - I guess everyone at the show, except you of course, must be cheesy too.

Yeah Sideshow, Booby couldn't handle the a-holes on the Zone, thats for sure!!! He needs to stick with the hippy dippy Bobby's perfect tooboard where there arguments consist of {{{{{{}}}}}}}}} for everyone involved!!!

>>>that PLQ is *better* than the real GD.

i like your points except this. Just sad really to hear you say that. Jerry Garcia man. And when you want to bring up his personal demons, read the opening liner notes by Hunter in JG's box set and think again.

JG said more with few notes on a sweet China Doll or He's Gone better than a whole night of fast noodling by the Q.

>>And when you want to bring up his personal demons, read the opening liner notes by Hunter in JG's box set and think again.

Amen!

>>>did anyone catch a plastic bottle (water or beer) thrown at warren during mr.fantasy

i did...i was shocked...the flying water made warren and bob flinch...the bottle almost hit warren's amps...if i was standing next to some asshole who threw a bottle at the stage...i'm sure i'd get thrown out for fighting

I just have to say this. Joan saved this show from being a total waste of time. Great songs but little to no explosive get me out of my seat dancing like a fool jamming going on.

Peggy Oh(fenario) always good but why didn't Bob wait for Joan to come out or bring her out earlier she was there all show. Last year they did a great version together.

Dear Mr Fantasy - okay now we are getting somewhere!

Joan comes out St Stephen here we go !

China Doll WHO HOOO--- Great job

Sugaree thank you for that special nugget Joan. Joan and Warren dueling leads was awsome and is the only part of the show you need to and will listen to over and over again

Ripple - what needs to be said! Always special even if Bob is singing it.

I must have missed 8 Miles HMMM I dont think I left!! And if we are all going to get technical it is Rubin and Cherise not Ruben and Cerise as many have posted and I did not hear that either!

Again , thanks Joan I hope to see you again with the boys real soon

>I have fun talking about it, but it doesn't mean for a second that I love it all any less, or that I won't go back again as soon as I can hoping for a bigger night. It's really the same as it ever was...


well put

Those morons are the bread and butter of the Dead so if those morons don't go to the shows who are the Dead going to play for a half empty ampitheater? I don't think they will be playing ampitheaters anymore. Unfortunately the Dead have to actually make an effort mainly BW to stay in business. There is a bottom line to this ladies and gentleman. SO the morons are actually the ones that will buy the 50.00 tickets and should get a show that they want. Wave that Flag!!!

>>>>>>lookin fwd to standin out in the pourin rain at jones

ME TOO!

BRING IT!

2...

more...

days...

details later, must runrunrun for THE BEACH

but it was beautiful....the handoff from Joan to Warren, all smiles, all was right in the world and so perfect I never wanted it to end.

If you love/like/enjoy Joan, her contributions were sublime @ PNC2. If you dislike her....welllllllll
thaaaassss how the Nilla Wafer CRACKS
but you know {me}
Heaven, twas, true beauty....

>>>that PLQ is *better* than the real GD.

>i like your points except this. Just sad really to hear you say that.<

How is that sad? Wouldn't it be sad to think that the music and emotions we all felt at GD shows could never be felt again? That's the way it was for me from '96 Further Fest unti PLQ Hartford '01. During that span, every dead-related show I went to was like "this is so nice, I love the people, it's so good to be back with family, I love dancing...but fuck, the music just doesn't get me where it used to without the fat man."

Then in early '01 I started reading about this new PLQ lineup, and people were saying outrageous shit like this is the best this music has been played since '77, '74, '69 - pick a year. I set my expectations extremely high as the reviews kept pouring in, and then I had close friends talk about the epic 4/20/01 show.

For me the defining moment actually came the night before Hartford, at Great Woods in summer '01. Warren sang the most incredible, beautiful Stella I had heard since...well since Jerry. But what absolutley blew me away was that I realized well into the tune that I wasn't thinking of Jerry, or having the feelings of "this is nice, but it ain't what it used to be" like I had been since he died. I was thinking "this fucking guy is amazing, and is singing the most Jerry of Jerry tunes with the same *type* of emotion and passion as Jerry ever did, so I really don't need Jerry to do it to get me back to that special space.'

Then Hartford put it over the top. Most incredbile rock 'n roll show I have ever seen, start to finish. I saw 50 GD shows from '83 - '95, with the bulk of them during the hot '88 - '90 era, and I can't think of one of them that was as musically intense and satisfying as that Hartford show.

How is that sad? I find it to be the most joyous thing ever. It was almost like being born again. I was 100% convinced that I had lost one of the most important things in my life forever, and then *bam* suddenly I have it back as good or better than before, with no end in sight. Sad? I don't get it.

Message for Joe Wheeler-It was not a water bottle being thrown at Warren--it appears that the bottle (Poland Spring water)fell out of the hand of one of the roadies on top of the stage. It fell behind Warren and wet some of the wires and amps.

>>It was not a water bottle being thrown at Warren--it appears that the bottle (Poland Spring water)fell out of the hand of one of the roadies on top of the stage. It fell behind Warren and wet some of the wires and amps






Whats your source were you up close enough to see it drop from above?

i was in the stage wing on phil's side...it looked to me to have come from the audience...it didn't look like a straight drop...it seemed to have arc to it...i could be wrong...and often am...it looked to me to be a red cup of beer...but i can't be sure...i was more interested in watching their recation to it than seeing what it was on the floor

was at both shows, 2nd night much much better, anytime the boyz open with playing your in for a treat. Great to hear joan, looked good and sounded great. Was with a friend who has seen four other shows from the tour, told me this has to be the best so far, and will only get better by the end.

>>>I was thinking "this fucking guy is amazing, and is singing the most Jerry of Jerry tunes with the same *type* of emotion and passion as Jerry ever did, so I really don't need Jerry to do it to get me back to that special space.

i think taking you back to a place in time - happiness and joy - is a whole lot different than PLQ playing better or being a better band, which is what you posted.
As great as Warren is, singing Jerry's tunes for me is, well, singing Jerry's tunes. I get that happiness and joy as well, but I never feel that the Q I've seen does it better than the good ol' Grateful Dead. So, i feel that it is sad for someone to like a cover band better than the original. Nothing against you personally or your feelings at all - to each his/her own.

Imainge how sad Jerry would be if the thought his fans didn't believe anyone else could play his music as well or better than he could...

Thought wednesdays show was really good until.... joan showed up and fucked up everything. just cant stomach her at all!!

First time posting here. First time seeing the band w/Warren. Have seen the Dead in all its forms over the past many years. My wife and I were really excited to go to PNC on 8/11. Had a blast - great to see the boys firing it up for another tour.

Musically speaking, I thought there were flashes of brilliance but Weir is just, you know, Weir. As a focal point of the groove, there were times he really sent the band off to great heights (Playin' opener, Bird Song, Cassidy, St. Stephen) and other times he just drove it to, well, I don't know exactly where! He's made some vocal adjustments during Minglewood which I don't really care for and he just totally destroyed the He's Gone. Phil's reaction was hilarious. Has this been a common theme throughout the tour? But, that said, that's why you go see the shows.

The band is excellent but I'll always miss Jerry. His soul was such an integral part of the Dead's music (he was also able to guide Weir back to reality). For me, no other band comes close.

I think he would love the fact the music has continued - thats a different story.

I guess who does it better is for us, the fans, to decide.

Poor Cheesehead, er, Sideshow Bob, LOL! I tried to warn him...too many Dead "Wave that Cash" shows will drive you crazy! In the rain at Jones Beach, yet no less!
Peace, all, I'm wishing for the rain to stop for the shows!
Bobby

Joan was here and gone, let's keep it that way.

It never ceases to amaze me how two people can se two shows completely differently.
Having seen so many shows, I definitely now believe that what they play doesn't
matter...it's how they play it. You could see Stagger Lee on a set list, but it could be
absolutely atrocious (like the one I saw in Camden on Sunday night where Bobby forgot
all the words. They could do a Cosmic Charlie-China Cat-Wharf Rat-Doin' That
Rag...and if they forget all the words or play without energy...it's not "hot." Which is why
Wednesday's show in PNC was such a great surprise. After seeing what I thought was a
train wreck in Camden Sunday (with the exception of Feel Like A Stranger and Stella
Blue)...I had very low expectations for this group on Wednesday at PNC. I was psyched
to hear the Playin-Bird Song- Cassidy opener....each one performed better than the last
(though Jimmy's main riff on Cassidy was too loud when Bob was singing). The Cassidy
was not as good as the one at Ratdog in Newark over the winter, but was still great to
hear...three classics in a row to start. I didn't know All That We are...and Warren's
singing wasn't clear enough to understand what the hell he was talking about if you didn't
know the song. Tomorrow Never Knows (which I haven't liked since '92 Dead Summer
Tour) was actually awesome...very psychedelic, well played, and sung tremendously.
Self-Defense was jammed hard...and if Mickey has to sing; this is the one you want to
hear (I liked it at Jones Beach last year too). Minglewood was smokin'...Warren's slide
was off the hook, Bobbys voals were strong. Then the set highlight...an unbelievable
Lucy in the Sky...great, great, great...band truly listening to each other...Warren's vocals
beautiful
Second set opened with Peggy-O which soiunded really great, but the two drunk guidos in
front of me were screaming the words, which kind of ruined it. Dear Mr. Fantasy was
strong...Warren sang the same verse three times (is there really only 1 verse in that song?)
Then Joan came out.....
All I can say is that this was the best post-Dead St. Stephen I've seen by far!!!! It actually
had the pop, vibe, and tempo of a 70's version...even Phil doing Jerry's "lady finger" part
was good....unlike an earlier poster I was glad they didn't do a WTB-11...I've just seen
this so much in the past few years. Before the show I would have said I hoped they didn't
play St. Stephen since I've seen so many lame ones...but this one rocked!!! He's Gone
was fun with nice vocal breakdown at the end...I didn't notice the lyrical mistakes at the
time, but now that I think about it :-) Drumz was awesome and the entire band came out
for a 5-10 minute space jam with Joan doing some crazy vocal cries (By the way, Bob had
been making some weird gyuto monk sounds in the first set before TNK) China Doll was
solid...Sugaree was fun; though I don't think I got off on it quite as much as everyone
around me who were going completely ape shit. I agree with an earlier poster that going
back into Bird Song and Cassidy was a bit ridiculous and sadly predicatable. Touch of
Grey (which I never even dug Jerry singing live) didn't come off well even though Bobby
remembered all of the lines (no small feat)...it is just a song with so many chord changes
it doesn't lend itself to sick or hard jamming. I thought the Ripple encore was
beautiful...with Jeff playing some real nice piano
Best of all, the band seemed to be having a great time...smiling, listening to each other,
making complex music...everything that was missing Sunday night in Camden. I would
give this show a solid B+/A-....this was one of the better The Other Ones/The Dead
post-Jerry shows I've seen. If they are only going to play in the summer together, it won't
get much better than this. Bands need to play all the time...just look at the improvemnt in
Ratdog since Robin Sylvester came in and they played a bunch of shows and how long it
took Kenny Brooks to get anywhere close to Dave Ellis in that band. In any way, the
wednesday show at PNC made me remember how good it truly is when the magic is
there!!! The true test was I took 6 of the disabled people I work with to this show and 5
of them absolutely loved it...I had three other staff with me and all of them though it was
amazing (1 was at his first show and the other two had only seen one)
Good stuff!!! God bless all of you and our scene!!!

>> that I won't go back again as soon as I can hoping for a bigger night

That's what's always been the draw, or the addiction if you will, for me. It's the notion that this (next) night will be better than anything else. It's what keeps me coming back. Yes, these guys are unbelievable musicians, and yes, sometimes it doesn't always come together. But when it does, there's nothing better for me.

On this tour, I got to see 5 shows - first 2 at Red Rocks, Montage, Camden 1, amd PNC 2 - and it was this last one that I thought was the topper. Perfect, no, but for me still un-f'in believable. From my vantage point, I thought they were on, Joan and all......

The Joan and Warren show was sublime.

Shakin' Nagan (Negman) on Thursday, August 12, 2004 - 05:17 pm: Edit Post
Last nights show was just awesome. I was right in front of Mickey and got to watch him as he played and have a new respect for him as a percussionist. He and Billy sounded awesome together as did the whole band. The three guitars were completely in sync with each other and having two rhythm guitars at times led to incredible rhythmic patterns. Joan singing with the band during the second set was just incredible. People are bitching because Bob blew the lyrics but Jerry used to do that all the time and people didn't bitch about it. Bob also started singing early twice during He's Gone but I regularly blow lyrics and forget where I am in the song. It's only natural. A great show.



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By Zeke (Zeke17) on Thursday, August 12, 2004 - 05:28 pm: Edit Post
No argument here, Nagan. I've always been a big Mickey fan, and while you would know better than I, I've always considered him an excellent percussionist who sometimes let's his toys get in his way (his obsession w/ sampling, RAMU, etc.) There was one point during D/S where it seemed that he way doing some Kodo/Japanese style drumming that was excellent. Also, you're totally on target regarding some of the counterpoint going on among the guitarists. Joannie was a treat, and I loved what Warren and Jimmy were putting down.

Bob blew a lyric last night?!? I didn't notice ;o)



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By Shakin' Nagan (Negman) on Thursday, August 12, 2004 - 05:39 pm: Edit Post
I've criticized Mickey a lot in the past - about him losing the time at times. I owe him an apology and I am hereby giving it. Now that I am playing percussion, I realize thatsometimes you just lose it. When that happens you just have to stop, take a breath and jump back on the groove.



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By Zeke (Zeke17) on Thursday, August 12, 2004 - 06:40 pm: Edit Post
He plays in so many 7's and 11's...it ain't just keeping on the one, for sure. Like you say, take a step back, take a breath, and jump back on.



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By Tim (Tjw) on Thursday, August 12, 2004 - 07:10 pm: Edit Post
Right on Richie!!!



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By Sideshow Bob (Drkstrjry) on Thursday, August 12, 2004 - 09:51 pm: Edit Post
People who start extra threads in the review section affirming that a lousy show was actually awesome just wanna be noticed . . .



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By Balzac (Bordeaux1789) on Thursday, August 12, 2004 - 10:04 pm: Edit Post
With 27 years of seeing the Dead under my belt, I can say, with complete subjectivity, that it was a very solid show. Sure, the second set had its awkward moments, but if all the naysayers could recall seeing how the band and the crowd were getting off on one another, they'd know that it was an "on" night.

What kills all of these reviews is the incessant desire to peg every show as a classic or, conversely, as a piece of crap. Most shows have their moments, both bad and good. Last night had far more good moments than bad.



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By dan oconnell (Frikidanno) on Thursday, August 12, 2004 - 10:24 pm: Edit Post
>>>Most shows have their moments, both bad and good. Last night had far more good moments than bad.

Well said balzac. That's been my thought at every show i've seen this tour. Some good, some bad moments. If I'm not in the groove at a particular moment, I go take a wizz or wander around a little. It usually comes back around.




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By Bob (Kacide) on Thursday, August 12, 2004 - 10:33 pm: Edit Post
> I've criticized Mickey a lot in the past - about him losing the time at times.

Wow, I've never seen that - I've seen Bill lose the time, but not in the post-jerry years and usually in the midst of changes, never on the steamroller - but I don't doubt what you say - they take chances - that's what happens some times.

But, I've always thought as Mickey as much more than a drummer - he's a percussionist, rhythm demon, and court jester all rolled into one - I think the dual drummers have a lot to do with why this band is still interesting.



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By Shakin' Nagan (Negman) on Thursday, August 12, 2004 - 10:54 pm: Edit Post
>>But, I've always thought as Mickey as much more than a drummer - he's a percussionist, rhythm demon, and court jester all rolled into one - I think the dual drummers have a lot to do with why this band is still interesting.

YES! That describes him perfectly.

>>People who start extra threads in the review section affirming that a lousy show was actually awesome just wanna be noticed . . .

The reason I started an extra thread was mainly to state that I thought Mickey's laying was incredible and being right in front of him I have come to the realization that he is a fine percussionist. This after I had denigrated his playing in the past. I thought that that deserved it's own thread and at the same time I wanted to say how awesome the show was. Mistakes do not make a show bad. They happen and they happen more when you are improvising and taking chances. If you don't have the mistakes you don't have the gems. Remember, it's irritation that makes pearls.



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By CF (Walstib8995) on Friday, August 13, 2004 - 12:12 am: Edit Post
you could just start a mickey is great thread elsehwere on the board.

Being a drummer I always loved mickey for being the percussionist that he is, but Billy holds down the fort as we all know! Even mickey will praise billy all day long for keeping it together.

And by the way , the show was weak as compared to both Camdens . If it wasnt for Joan it really would have been a disaster.



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By Shakin' Nagan (Negman) on Friday, August 13, 2004 - 12:31 am: Edit Post
>>Being a drummer I always loved mickey for being the percussionist that he is, but Billy holds down the fort as we all know! Even mickey will praise billy all day long for keeping it together.

Yes, Billy holds it together. Billy is the drummer, Mickey the percussionist.

>>And by the way , the show was weak as compared to both Camdens . If it wasnt for Joan it really would have been a disaster.

You state that as if you are stating a fact and correcting me. That is your opinion. I was at Camden Sunday and I found THAT show to be weak. Yesterday was awesome!



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By Gunnar (Gunnarutah) on Friday, August 13, 2004 - 09:15 am: Edit Post
From what I saw earlier this summer, I think the drummers are thoroghly kicking ass! At the two shows I saw the previous summer, I thought Mickey and Billy really didn't have it in sync yet. And I thought at the two New Years shows Billy was running the show, while Mickey struggled to keep up. But, it sort of reminds me of when Mickey rejoined the band in the late 70's. It took those two a year to get their minds in sync again.



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By Zeke (Zeke17) on Friday, August 13, 2004 - 10:25 am: Edit Post
>>But, I've always thought as Mickey as much more than a drummer - he's a percussionist, rhythm demon, and court jester all rolled into one - I think the dual drummers have a lot to do with why this band is still interesting.

>>YES! That describes him perfectly

I think I'd use the word shaman, and not be too far off. He takes that role very seriously - this is a man who spent a lot of time w/ Joseph Campbell, so he know's his mythology. :o)



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By eric salkin (Free_world) on Friday, August 13, 2004 - 11:43 am: Edit Post
I agree w/Balzac and all. With almost 30 years of GD and TD in my head, this show was way solid. You can piss and moan all you want but if you go to hear some of your favorite songs played by some of your favorite "people" than you will go home very happy.

This band and its people are a rare and true gift in life. Recognize it and appreciate it.



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By Alex Pozzy (Redtide) on Friday, August 13, 2004 - 02:00 pm: Edit Post
>but if you go to hear some of your favorite songs played by some of your favorite "people" than you will go home very happy.<

Exactly. And tuesday night at PNC they played precious few of my favorite songs, so the show seemed pretty beat. 2nd night looked even worse on paper, but I wasn't there so can't comment.




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By lost that lovin' feelin' it's gone (Spearman3) on Friday, August 13, 2004 - 02:46 pm: Edit Post
>think the dual drummers have a lot to do with why this band is still interesting

definitely



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By (.)(.)-ShowMeYourTiTs-(.)(.) (Gunner) on Saturday, August 14, 2004 - 12:39 pm: Edit Post
Negman Ive been yelling at you about Mickey forever! all i can say is DUH! you think the guy next to BILLY K is gonna suck? wtf?

BILLY & MICKEY r GODS



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By Shakin' Nagan (Negman) on Saturday, August 14, 2004 - 02:52 pm: Edit Post
>>Negman Ive been yelling at you about Mickey forever! all i can say is DUH! you think the guy next to BILLY K is gonna suck? wtf?

I never said that Mickey sucked.



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By dyer o'connor (Dyerwolf) on Saturday, August 14, 2004 - 04:44 pm: Edit Post
Weren't you the guy rantin' and ravin' when Bob and Mickey showed up at a Phil show in SF?



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By Shakin' Nagan (Negman) on Saturday, August 14, 2004 - 05:03 pm: Edit Post
>>Weren't you the guy rantin' and ravin' when Bob and Mickey showed up at a Phil show in SF?

I wasn't ranting and raving - I just thought that they changed the vibe of the show and Mickey didn't sound good at all on the congas. I stand by that. Doesn't mean that Mickey isn't a great percussionist. I have denigrated his playing in the past and have apologized (see post above). I was wrong and admit it.

On August 11, 2004, between 4:45-5:45, four young men attending The Dead show were arrested. All of the young men were stopped by the State police while they were walking away from the Arts Center main parking lot located on the east side of the Garden State Parkway towards the overflow parking area (lot 8 ) located on the west side of the Parkway. Specifically, the young men had been walking underneath the Parkway overpass when they were stopped by police. Three of the young men were arrested just west of the Parkway overpass!

The fourth young man was arrested in parking lot 8.

One of the young men was beaten by police at the time of the arrest!

I am looking to speak with anyone who saw these arrests or has video footage or photographs of the arrests.

If you have any information please call Julie or Andrea at 732-747-7400 or e-mail us at DAPNC321@yahoo.com

Thank You.